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Speaker 1: the game. You're listening to Stut Goatson Company.

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Speaker 3: It is Stuke Gotson Company, presented by FanDuel on the

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Speaker 3: Fan Duel's Sportsbook. I' Mizzy Gutierrez. That's Stu Gatts. We

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Speaker 3: got Taylor and mikey A. I'm gonna hit these quick

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Speaker 3: about all of them. First and foremost, we heard the

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Speaker 1: Everybody breed easy. That's the big NBA news today, Huge

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Speaker 3: I do not trust this FBI as far as I

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Speaker 1: And so i's you.

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Speaker 3: Know, when it comes to illegal sports gambling news that

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Speaker 3: we all already see the FBI is, you know, basically

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Speaker 1: Number two, well, hold.

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Speaker 2: On, Taylor, put that on a pole. Do you trust

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Speaker 2: but put it on the pole. Do you trust the FBI?

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Speaker 1: Please? All right? No, not on mind please.

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Speaker 3: Number two Chauncey Billups being involved in an illegal poker

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Speaker 1: Really weird, mister big shot. Okay?

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Speaker 3: And number three, the integrity of the NBA is not

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Speaker 3: will fix everything. Everything improved to everybody. This is legit.

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Speaker 3: I am taking over this league. No amount of illegal

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Speaker 4: In terms of the NBA, that first game that they

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Speaker 2: No question about what a gambling ring, a gambling story

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Speaker 2: I watched that game because I have Drew Holliday on

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Speaker 1: But it's good enough. But it's good enough.

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Speaker 4: So I'm of the opinion that I think the Billups

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Speaker 2: No, But if I'm paying to play with NBA players,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look what Damon Jones made me. But

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Speaker 1: I got news for you. They deserve to lose their money.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna pay to sit next to Damon Jones to

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Speaker 3: Wait, I've I've been the celebrity at a poker gable

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you bad, Everything that's ever happened in a

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you want to see if Kerry Terry

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Speaker 1: He's just doing shit we've never seen before at that size?

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Speaker 2: Was that Wemby last night reminding everyone like, hey, I

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Speaker 1: It is not Cooper Flagg who was awful last night.

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Speaker 2: That was a statement by Wemby saying I am the

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Speaker 1: I am the star of this league. It's not that

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Speaker 3: You know when everybody should have figured this one out,

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Speaker 1: He hadn't played basketball in more than eight months.

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Speaker 3: The threat of his career, like his career was like

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Speaker 3: play again, He's like, and he said this, I'm not taking.

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Speaker 1: Any of this for granted.

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Speaker 3: If I go for forty every game, average forty five,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to wait. There's no wasted time here.

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Speaker 1: He was fifteen to twenty one from the field last night.

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Speaker 3: The Spurs, if they're young players, do play like veterans,

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Speaker 3: that's what I want to see him, and.

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Speaker 3: Huge, huge question mark. But he definitely like has the

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Speaker 3: And so this is how crazy good I think he's

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Speaker 1: But wow, mister big prop, does it work?

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Speaker 3: No, big Flop is already better.

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Speaker 2: Big Flop was already better. So you think there's nothing

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Speaker 3: Just it's not that there's nothing to see here, right,

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: So if I was living in the nineteen teams and

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's doing what properly.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about the integrity of the game, especially

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Speaker 3: any roster, right, Like, you know, can be fun sometimes,

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Speaker 3: but let's be real.

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Speaker 2: The best haven't lived until you're taken the over on

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Speaker 1: Just you have it. Yeah, thank you, Mike h Then

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Speaker 1: then maybe I haven't lived, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it changed like sports gambling, like legalizing

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, things are gonna get changed.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll have a couple of messy situations here and there,

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Speaker 3: but in terms of the integrity of the game over time,

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Speaker 3: I don't have a big issue with it. If there

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Speaker 3: I would be a little bit more intrigued. If all

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Speaker 3: the people showing videos of Terry Rozier didn't understand that

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Speaker 3: what he's accused of happened when he was with the Hornets,

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Speaker 3: and that terrible play that you're showing when he was

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Speaker 3: least he was with Miami. So I see all of

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Speaker 3: this as like, Okay, I want to know all the

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Speaker 3: details on the.

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Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I see this as the sports like the legalizing

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Speaker 4: Is ye. I want to go back to the Spurs

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Speaker 4: for a second, because right now to win the West,

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Speaker 4: they're plus two thousand and two hundred, so still pretty

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Speaker 4: long shot. Eighth best odds in the West.

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Speaker 1: That's twenty two hundred. Yeah, yeah, thanks for helping him.

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Speaker 4: The number kind of scared me when I started to

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Speaker 1: Own, because like the number of two thousand, comma two hundred.

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Speaker 4: But when we were doing the NBA preview, I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure you had the Spurs in nice little team, and

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Speaker 4: now it's they could win the West.

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Speaker 2: This is the quickest anyone has got. It's one game

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Speaker 2: and he is gone from nice little team to title

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Speaker 2: quickest ednyone's ever gonna call someone a bust ever Cooper

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Speaker 2: Flag after one game?

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: See, I'm not with you there.

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Speaker 3: But I can say that about I can't admit to

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Speaker 3: that about Victor Weman Yama, why because nobody else has

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Speaker 3: year Cooper Flag, I don't say he's a bust, but

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Speaker 3: I will say VJ. Edgecomb is probably gonna win Rookie

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Speaker 3: to be great. Sad part is Joel Embi no longer

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Speaker 1: He is just not.

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Speaker 2: But if Edgecombe wins right by extension, that makes Cooper

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Speaker 3: No, No, not necessarily like it does.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot does it does some guy?

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Speaker 1: There was all this hype around him.

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Speaker 5: I mean everybody it was, oh, it's okay that they

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