WEBVTT - Michael B. Jordan 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:13.120 Money. We are than take val. We are the authority 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:19.239 on all things, and ladies and gentlemen, my name is 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:25.040 take this. You already be money podcast that it is 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:32.760 your authority. All things are and you got you got 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:40.160 a move. You can't throw up in the building. Um. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:45.879 You know, some people are gifted, many are called, but 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.360 the chosen a few come on preaching. We've we've watched 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:54.920 this young man grow from just smell a little bud, 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.560 smeller the seat, through the wire, through the wire, smell 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:04.679 little buds the seat, into the biggest superstar in the world, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.040 our friend in the building. Yeah he wops. Okay, this 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.520 is who game. We're still working on this Who game. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:17.400 But but he's still a good friend. Makes might Yeah, man, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:23.480 graddri it's cooling. Finally Snigger brought oranges. He brought oranges. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:29.880 Its acute orange is a cute one one did not bring. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.520 I ate the rest of him on the ride over here. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.319 He's a solo artist. Damn you understand what the team player. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.080 He's a solo artist. It's crazy like we see Frank, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.679 but he ain't got no cute that all Frank ugly Well, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:53.480 Frank is all beard. He said he don't have at 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.160 he thought he might be, thank you, my brother, the 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.680 thank you for joining us. Man. I know you are. Um, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.360 you're on a world win um of a tour um 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:13.359 and life has just been really good as it has 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.359 um from the inside looking in, from the outside looking there, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.200 and um as we've known you for so long. UM, 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.320 you deserve it. Thank you, man, you deserve it. Appreciate it. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.600 You work hard, you got the gift, and you're only 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:33.480 getting better, which is very scary, very scary. No boy 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.639 directing there, no, no listen, listen. Yeah, you're gonna you 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.639 You're gonna eat everything on the say. I mean, there's 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.120 some things on the table. I didn't even see yet, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.120 so I gotta you know, I'm at this part of 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.200 the table. But this there's there's a there's a there's 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.799 a lot of a lot more table to go through. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.240 So let's let's do it. Let's let's do a kind 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:52.720 of a fast track. Let's do We want to keep 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.320 you long, but we want to get to some information. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.760 Let's do a fast track. Let's do let's start at 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.600 Let's start at that first phone call after after after 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:08.359 the magical audition, and someone says you got the part 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.800 which part which one. The first one was the Wire, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.680 the first one major role for Whire wasn't the first one. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.400 Hardball was probably the first ball. Yeah yeah, I mean 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:36.200 baby Baby still trying to prove he wasn't. I I 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.560 would say, you know, the Wire, the Wire, No, sorry, 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:44.080 Hardball was probably the first one that really had me travel, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.360 you know, part of an ensemble cast, you know, per 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.840 diem you know what I'm saying. You know, it was real. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:51.880 It was real, you know, like like you know, just 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.000 the whole production of like making a feature film. That 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.200 was like my first kind of introduction to like the 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.800 game on that level, working with you know, Keanu Reeves 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.520 and Diane Lane, you know, just um, it was. It 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.920 was one of those projects at the time. He was 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.720 shooting The Matrix, so we didn't even know what that 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.720 was going to be, you know what I'm saying. So 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.160 it was I think he was in the process of 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.000 shooting it. We met Lawrence Fishburn. He took us out 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.560 to dinner one time, all the kids and stuff like that. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.400 We met Lawrence Fishburn and stuff like that. So you 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.640 call him Larry Larry, I didn't. I can call him 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:32.120 Glad No. But but but I think that was the 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.160 first I was the first kind of like, you know, okay, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.640 I can I think I could do this? Is this 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.240 is cool. I'm more curious about the industry, you know, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.400 understanding a little bit of the fundamentals of what acting is. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.000 Before that was just kind of like just showing up, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.640 reading the lines and you know, and trying not to 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.279 you know, fuck up. But that one was the first 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.920 time I think I'm kind of teetered into the realm 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.160 of like a character and like how to like you know, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.239 so to speak. So, yeah, so are you in school 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.279 at this time? I'm in school, you know what I'm saying, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.760 getting like tutor, you know what I'm saying. So I'm 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.240 just skipping a lot of days of school. But at 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.520 the same time, you know, there's a there's an on 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.719 set teacher that you got put in a certain amount 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.360 of hours in that you know, us and the rest 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:12.839 of the kids will you know, do a couple hours 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.599 of school and then and then get back to work. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.160 So when does school change? When is it you go 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.240 back after to like regular to regular school, went back 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.640 to Harriball regular school. Uh, And at that point, you know, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.159 you're still in the acting tip. You know, what I mean, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.480 you're still hustling, You're still trying to with that. I'm like, 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.760 you not a star at school. I mean I'm Hollywood, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.280 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think everybody that's 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.280 trying to do something in the entertainment industry in like 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.640 middle school, high school becomes Hollywood no matter what, like 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.800 that's your nickname. They're not really that creative outside of that, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.080 it's like Hollywood. It's like what it is? So like 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.200 that was the like a cheer, like yay, Like nobody 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.520 understood it. I mean, how could you you know, you're 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.039 doing something that's so against the norm. And where are 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.360 you New y So, nort New Jersey doing that? Uh 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:02.080 you know yeah yeah, So I'm sure that's tough. You're 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.920 from Brick City and you're going to do movies and 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.720 because it's just it's just it's not normal. It's not 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.239 how do they process it? I mean, ain't for nobody 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.160 really process you know what I'm saying. But for me, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.560 you know what I'm saying, it was it was it 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.479 was you know, leaving school early, going auditions, mission days 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:18.800 of school. You know, you might see a you know, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.120 a model's ad in the Sunday paper or toys or 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.920 rest add or you know, a little Freedo with those 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.840 the de rito's, uh you know value pack with the 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.600 little like you know points on the back of it. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.240 You were collecting like buy something off the you know, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.160 out of the book. Like, yeah, I was a little 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:33.960 kid in that, you know, shit like that I was doing. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.560 And then you know, then the wire kicked in and 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.160 all my children, Yeah, and then it was you know, 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.440 was on the story. It was the storytories. Man. Yeah, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.800 you didn't know that. I did know that. I know 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.000 something I don't know. He's probably watching the stories. No, 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.200 my mama watched Mama grandmama had the stories a lock, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.160 That's what it was. So like all my children was 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:55.839 definitely where I kind of like learned like the work 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.960 ethic of acting like the actual Yeah, because they locked 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.240 then yeah, I mean you do like one hundred and 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.200 you know, episode and a half a day, one hundred 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.279 hundred plus pages a day, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:12.840 Plus yeah, they're cranking them daily. Tyler Perry before Tyler Perry, 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.680 what I mean, soaps is some machine. I mean there 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.480 is no like you know, you rarely get multiple takes, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.240 so It's like if you didn't if you ain't study, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.760 if you ain't know your shit, the next day it 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.200 will be on air and people will be watching you 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.520 fuck up. So like you only need one and two 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.480 those so you like, no, no, no, should no, no what. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.520 I'm gonna be prepared. I'm gonna know my ship better 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.920 than anybody. So like that was kind of like, yeah, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.080 and when and when that did you move to LA 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.120 to do the Stories or were you still I was 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.520 in New York, so like, so after I finished the 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.400 soap operas, that's when I moved. Once I wasn't going 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.040 to college, I was like, all right, I'm not going 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.160 to school. I'm gonna move to LA. I'm gonna keep 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.240 pursuing this thing. And so so right after I finished 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.960 my my run on the Stories, I up and moved 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:06.440 to uh to La. That's what y'all scoundrels. Yeah that time, man, Yeah, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.840 part boy, And what was that transition like for you 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.760 coming from New York coming to LA And maybe the 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:20.280 chase is different, maybe the you know, the process is different. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.680 Just now being in Hollywood versus being in that space 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.280 in the middle. I feel like the grind was like 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.160 I had a work ethic and developed a work ethic 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.000 from like being on the East Coast. It was just 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.600 a certain level of like grit and like just wanting 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.240 to go get it that really kept me locked in 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.120 out here in LA and then seeing the pace of 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.120 La is a little bit different than it is, not 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.679 a little bit a lot different than it is on 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.000 the East Coast. So just yeah, just the you know, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.079 just being hungry when we want to like, you know, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.000 lock in sacrifice. You know, the one thing I did 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.800 was hooping audition. That was it. We rarely went out, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.640 you know what I'm saying. Like, well, besides when me 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.880 and Sterling was promoting you hooped? What mean? League? Come on, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.160 I'm just asking listen, y'all know if y'all you know 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.400 you who? If who you know too? Because I mean 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.240 I know y'all know you and I have we got championship. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.280 Oh my lord. You know what I'm saying. Y'all were 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.319 playing a political game a lot longer than me. So 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.640 you had already knew that you had the politics with Shane, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.000 you had to do this, and that you got the 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.000 little Stack team and play with your friends. I would 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:24.040 just have stucky to get on the squad. This is 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.920 the worst time I heard that. Yeah, team, I mean 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.199 you had team chemistry, y'all play with who y'all wanted 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.760 to play with? I got, I got my homie and 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.439 then everybody else. Yeah, I had got, I got place 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.320 for a team, You had your home, you had who 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.120 was he? Did you not long it took to get league? 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.520 When you finally got it, he shot for all the seasons. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.880 So yeah, scored thirty five? You shot eighty times. You 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.120 know y'all lost, right, I don't let you get that 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.960 A little boy like that, man, Yeah, maybe maybe fifty times. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.520 Because I got I got a championship with my first team. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.080 So you write about the politics though, because my first 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.959 team we won and who I finally got me Jamie 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:20.080 fob Yes, Corey Hardrick, King Spurs, Okay, we were the King. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:25.280 I was on the King's Corey Hardrick. Uh Roderick fucking 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.839 Roderick right man? Yea, yeah, yeah, come on. Roger Kenneth 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:36.160 Career was on my team. Uh time, Marcus Polk, Charlie 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:42.520 Burrell and Brione we had and then when I finally 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.360 got JN they put him on an island and he 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:57.320 was taking forty shots. He was averaging thirty two. Yeah 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.439 for y'all um, now, but that was that was the 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:05.120 beginning of really all of our relationships due the Entertainment League, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.240 you know what I mean, where we really built our 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.400 bond with each other and everybody started to just get 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.840 get to know each other because they were there were 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.160 people in the league that it was just like, uh, yeah, yeah, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.440 du talented, but I don't really fun with him. Yeah, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:19.839 you know what I mean, And that's just life and that, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.400 you know, I mean. In an interesting thing, I felt 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.959 like the league kind of brought that concept of how 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.400 if you do make it to one of the professional leagues, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.400 you're dealing with multiple people and multiple personalities because what 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.480 we do is very singular, like even with you go 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.760 to your trailer, like we found we found out that. Okay, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.000 now we're in a locker room with each other. Now 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.760 we're going to eleague parties. Now it's like damn, they're 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.800 sanctioned things and they taking all star teams to different 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.520 cities and guys are participating in that, and you start realizing, like, yo, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.720 who's a real person. Yeah, Like you know, I remember 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.439 when we first really got cool and and it was 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.240 something it might have been an egg event and he 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.520 was like, man, just gonna pick me up. And I'm like, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.480 all right, shit, little far As here at the time, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.520 way out, all right, we're picking about and but just 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.520 building those relationships and finding people within this industry. Man 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.560 shout out to Shane, shout out, Shane. Put something together 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.200 that really connected a lot of us that we've kept 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.360 going and then even you know, me creating with Tank 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.679 the R and B money run for years that now 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.160 it's like, you know, I had to like calm it 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.240 down because start going viral and like take put your 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.360 phone up, tut of these phone calls that you know 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.800 you were a part of. Chris Brown and pulled up 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.880 and you know, the brim Brothers and Jamie Fox and 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.719 but somewhere safe that you know, we're not gonna get 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.520 some food that just want to hack us exactly because that, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.400 you know, because we do other stuff, because we have 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.000 something to do it. It is what I'm always trying 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.719 to tell Jay Valentine. I do other things. Yeah, but 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.719 he knows I have shows on the weekend, right, but 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.319 on the fastest break, he wants to hack my wrist, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.440 He wants to hack my fingers. This is the money 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.959 making part of the ball. This is hands are not 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.959 part of the ball. Where is your client manage me? 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.920 You know what times I quit? I can't even imagine. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.520 It doesn't matter. You wasn't getting a shout out. It's okay, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.040 all right, out of this basketball place. Nobody plays better 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:37.520 than me. Oh my lord. Did you ever feel any 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.199 downtime or or any lag or pc yourself in a 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.719 space where you were at a crossroad and trying to 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.960 really figure things out to get to that next level? 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:52.439 Oh yeah, I mean I would say the summer maybe 0:13:52.679 --> 0:14:00.920 before I booked Red Tails, I would say was probably 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.400 one of the crossroads for me. I was like, all right, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.319 this is the last rent check I got. I don't 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:11.160 overdrafted everything I could overdraft and borrow money from every 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.560 out I could think of. This doesn't work out this month, 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.120 I'm heading back to Jersey, and you know, we were 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.760 gonna figure it out. We're gonna you know, I don't 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.120 know what I'm gonna do, but we're gonna we're gonna 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.880 figure it out. Um. And then audition for it, booked it. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.480 That found out that thing's giving that that I had 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.280 got the role, and that was like the first time 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.880 that I had enough money that I could actually stack, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.000 I was like, okay, cool, I could pay off everything 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.000 I need to pay off this, put a little something up. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.720 I can stay out here for another six months, you 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.440 know what I'm saying, et cetera, et cetera. And then 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.320 literally the jobs just kept I kept booking from there. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:44.920 It was just kind of like that kind of opened 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.040 up the floodgates for me, and then it just kind 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.760 of continued from that moment. So I would say, like 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.760 when I moved out here, you know, I was still 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.080 booking like little episodics, you know what I'm saying, guest 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.960 starring roles on you know, Cside or Lauren Order or 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.720 whatever it was. I was cool, but I was getting 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:01.680 to know town. I was getting no casting directors. I 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.640 was getting to know, like, you know, the players that 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.160 are in there, that are in the you know, the 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:13.640 entertainment world. And also you know, the executives and the 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.720 casting directors loved the shows that I was doing, so 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.520 like it was the work that I was doing that 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.440 they would see that either if they didn't like it, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.440 their wife loved it. You know what I'm saying, Oh 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.280 my god, my husband loves you. Oh my god, my 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.520 wife loves you, like, let's come in. So like it 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.680 was like this invested interest of like, you know, certain 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.840 people in town to kind of keep me booked them busy, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.760 I guess a little bit. So that that was that 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.000 was that was a good run. But you know, I 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.920 would say that when I first moved out, it was 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.560 like still booking jobs but still dead broke. So like yeah, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.240 you like, oh yo, that's wasn't name from the wire, 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.600 but I'm like, yeah, but I'm me and Sterling's applying 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.240 at Jack in a box or like you know what 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.760 I mean, and like no, y'all overqualified. Like it was 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.320 a moment where it was like, yeah, we were going 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.640 to fast food spots um trying to you know, apply 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.360 for jobs, and it was like one of those moments 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.080 sitting in the car before we went there, it was like, Yo, 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.200 we're about to do this shit. Are we about to 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.520 apply for goddamn fast food right now? And these nigs 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.080 gonna know who I am, So it's not like, oh, 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.160 it's like a random person Like no, that's the tough spot. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.240 I was willing to take the l you know what 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.160 I'm saying, and like and deal with the you look familiar, 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:17.920 are you the you know what I'm saying, just the 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.000 kind of definitely was gonna get that with a number eight. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.920 He didn't even know that he could have just called 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:28.560 me out of the game a quarterdouns. He didn't realize that, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.240 you know what I mean, I am on the back 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:41.320 you know a hey man Wallace, Wallace, I know, I 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:48.280 know you man. Nah nah the time take your food 0:16:48.320 --> 0:17:00.480 to keep it quishing. Um the fast food. I listen. 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.399 I remember being in ranch of Couca Manga after the 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.200 money when the money was low and I was I 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:12.159 had a I had a rented Lincoln town car that 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.880 I was hiding from the rental company. Okay, um the story, okay, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.240 it was taking. It took off because I had you know, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.399 they had a two bedroom. There was only like so 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.879 I took off the ranch. All got in there. You 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.040 picked me up around that area. So we were deep 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.600 and I'm looking at this best Buy like I could 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.919 pack boxes here, I could I could stack some box right, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.600 because if you go do the like the open night 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.159 and made me trying to figure it out though, but 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.600 hanging out with box right and it looking like yeah, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.360 everything was together when him at the party and I'm 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.840 right next to him and the almost was rubbing. It's like, okay, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.960 they're doing it. And then I drive that the town 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.960 car back to back to ranch show. Yeah, you know 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.639 what I'm saying, that rubber really meets the road and 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.879 trying to figure out what that next movie. That's the 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.960 entertainment business in a nut show. Yeah, because it's it's 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.280 about staying the course. It's about staying out here or 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.480 wherever that is. That that's that you're close to the 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.440 work that will one day you'll wake up and you'll 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.600 get that phone call that it changes for you, you 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.359 know what I mean. Like I remember having a conversation 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.600 with you. He's like, I gotta go to the bay. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.520 I was like to the bay and he was like, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.760 it's a movie out there. It's like it's an indie movie. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.159 And the crazy thing is, you know our relationship and 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:44.480 my relationship with with our fellow brother Tristan Wild. He 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.680 also was supposed to be part of that movie and 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.480 got sick when he was doing UM nine two one 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.800 zero And I remember you called me and you were like, bro, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.760 this this movie is is special. And at first you 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.280 didn't tell me what it's about you, just like you, 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.120 you know. And then I never forget this. You said 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:09.920 you should come up here. I was like why, and 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:11.960 he was like, no, nig because you're from the Bay. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.920 I'm telling you you could just play one of the parts. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.600 And I was like, ning, I'm not an actor. I 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.160 knew you setting me up there, but I could say 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.120 brow three times in the movie and I'm like, nah, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.359 I'm cool. I mean you told He was like, he 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.040 finally told me what the movie is about with Oscar Grant, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.800 and I was like, oh shit, I knew about the 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.080 whole thing. I was like, this is about it's about 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.200 to be different. This is going to be different. And 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.240 the crazy thing is my cousin at the time was 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.440 going to college or before. But before that, with Ryan, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.240 your cousin was the number one linebacker in the nation 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.800 of the time. He go to sc him and Ryan 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.560 both from Oakland. They linked and him he already telling 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.800 me about him. And then you like, hey man, this 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.720 young director out the Bay. He got this great idea 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.600 and and what you did with that movie it represented 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.640 us so well with you not being from the Bay, 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.280 like just not aside from us all being black men, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.480 but just the Bay Area. We have a very like 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.680 it's a particular island that we live on out there 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.800 right there. It's just so different from the rest of 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.399 the West Coast. But the rest of the world. We 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.760 got our own language, we got our own the way 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.680 we dressed. It's just we live in our own world. Tanker, 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.240 tell you go up there, he'd be like, I enjoyed myself. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.119 I love it, but it is different. So to capture 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.680 that and the way you captured it, bro, I don't 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.119 even know if I've ever even told you over all 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.520 these years, like you really made me proud of just 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.719 a friend because I didn't see my friend anymore. Ye, 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.639 And that's a huge part, you know that with acting. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.640 I did not see Mike, you know what I mean, 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.520 Like I saw you playing Oscar and I'm like, oh, 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:58.639 he he did this such a great service. I appreciate that. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.640 So thank you from us, No, no, thanks all mine. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.320 And just be able to like embody that that character 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.520 and that you know that moment in time. You know me, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.160 I was real pissed off around that time just in general, 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:12.879 just like it was a lot you know, shooting's going on. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:14.639 Trade by Martin just got shot. There was a lot, 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:16.520 a lot, a lot of shit going on in the world, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.480 and like that was an outlet for me to kind 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.000 of express myself the way I could, which is through 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:22.560 the work. You know what I'm saying, And then you know, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.800 and say something. You know what I'm saying. So so 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.160 you know, meet and Ryan and you know, going through 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.720 all the steps, so moving up there and living and 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.760 staying in you know, you know, just you know, in 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.800 close proximity to to you know, Oscar's friends and family, 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.520 you know, people that you know. I had had to 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.000 get to know him through the people that knew him 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.159 the best, you know. And that was my first time 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.200 really doing like a like a real deep dive like that, 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:46.879 you know, as far as doing like a real the 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:48.920 real homework, you know what I'm saying, and like and 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.800 and so so for me, it was doing a bunch 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.320 of things. I got a chance to say something, I 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.800 got a chance to prove that could carry a film, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.920