1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier. 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser. I'm 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: Jay Glazier and we are in the throes of the 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: Olympics right now. We've got Olympic fever and I'd love 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: to have on my Olympic gangsters, my friends I know 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 2: who have succeeded in the Olympics. We've had on Michael Phelps, 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 2: Lindsay Vaughn, Lindsay Berg, and now we have on a 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: really close. 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: Friend of mine. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: She is a two time go medalist, one time silver medalist. 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: She don't like me talk about that part. A veteran 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 3: water polo player, the one and only Cammy Craig. How 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: are you doing, Cammy? 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 4: Oh Jay, thank you so much. It's so wonderful to 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: be here. 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: The gangster on. 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 5: No, it's so great. 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: We have now Cammy and I have a really great relationship. 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: She joined our the charity that I founded, MVP, to 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: come in. We take former combat vets and former pro 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: athletes and former athletes and we put them together. When 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: the uniform comes off and man Kemmy just shined with 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: this group of more than anything. The very first day 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: I met her, I was like, man, this girl's different. 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 2: She is up there and you just you shine from within. 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: But I understand why you're an Olympic gold medalist like that. 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: That day you just have it. 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 4: Thanks Jay, I mean it was it was such a 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 4: blessing that. 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 5: I ended up in there that day. 33 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 4: I had a teammate that had read up on the 34 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: Foundation MVP and she goes, you gotta go. 35 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 5: We had just you know, we were in our retirement. 36 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: It was after the twenty sixteen Olympics, and she was like, 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: I'm reading through this. I think this is this is 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: close to you. You've got to show up and try 39 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: out what this program is. And I literally had no 40 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: idea what to expect. And you intercepted me with big 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: open arms and like welcome to the family. And I 42 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, this is great. These are my people. 43 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: They get it, and you know the rest is history. 44 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. Now look tell me again. We 45 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: became really close friends during the time, and she's told 46 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: me all these stories and one of them, which she's 47 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: gonna embark on here. I actually had her tell Sean 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: McVay and the RAMS coaching staff and a bunch of 49 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: other coaches as well. Over I think it was July 50 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: fourth weekend one time or momor of day weekend, and 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: all these coaches were like, oh my, like and I'm 52 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: gonna let you tell the story. But the fact that 53 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: and I was just you know, watching everything with the Olympics, 54 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: the fact that you have to wait four years when 55 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: you don't win a gold to have another shot is 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: mind boggling. Like the NFL, you gotta wait six months 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: for camp to start again. 58 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: That's it, right. 59 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: I lost my first fight and mixed martial arts because 60 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: I was a wrestler boxer and this one of stalburs 61 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: is stylling like ran In the jiu jitsu guy who 62 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: choked me out, and I did understand jiu jitsu and 63 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: all the way back in two thousand and three, and 64 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: I said to the promoter, I need to get on 65 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: the next card, which was like three months later, five 66 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: months later, and he's like, well, Jay, it's you know 67 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: during football season. 68 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm in. I'll do it. I'll fight, 69 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: I'll be on TV the next day'll bust it up. 70 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: I don't care. 71 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I couldn't fathom waiting to wait four years for another shot. 72 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: Cammy is mind boggling to me. 73 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: And there's a lot of things that can go on 74 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: in your mind within that four years, and a lot 75 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 4: of things that can happen with your body. 76 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 5: Within those four years. So yeah, I think, you know, 77 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 5: if I. 78 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 4: Share a little bit about my history and the former 79 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: center of the women's US water polo team, I compete 80 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 4: in the two thousand and eight Beijing Olympics, the twenty 81 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 4: twelve London Olympics, in the twenty sixteen re Olympic Games. 82 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 5: In two thousand and eight in. 83 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: Beijing, I was the youngest on our team at twenty one, the. 84 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 5: Biggest, but the youngest. That's just kind of how it 85 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 5: goes with me. 86 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: I say, the most badass for good. 87 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was my you know, it was my 88 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: first Olympic Games, and we had a very very young 89 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: team in two thousand and eight, but we had gone 90 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 4: undefeated for over a year and a half going into 91 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: that Olympics. 92 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: So we were favored for gold, and we. 93 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: Had a lot of confidence in how we were going 94 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: to show up, and our preparation was outstanding, so on 95 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: and so forth, and we had to arrived to Beijing 96 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: probably three weeks earlier to the tournament, and we had 97 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: a training camp with Holland and our training camp, I mean, 98 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: we were just destroying them. We were, you know, beating 99 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: them in our scrimmages twenty to twenty to four, fifteen 100 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: to five. Yeah, and so I think there was a 101 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 4: real kind of like, Okay, we did what we were 102 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 4: supposed to do. We're coming into this training camp. The 103 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: Olympics starts literally in two weeks, and we're crushing, you know, 104 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 4: we're crushing and by quite a bit of points. In 105 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: water pool, we say, if you win by one point, 106 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 4: you're kicking someone's ass, because it can be that tide 107 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 4: of a game. And so the Olympic tournament starts, we 108 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: start dropping into our flow and we're just kind of 109 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: checking each team off as we go, and we're doing 110 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: our job and we're doing what we're meant to do. 111 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: And we make it to the finals of the Olympic Games. 112 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 4: And I'm twenty one, it's my first Olympic. My eyes 113 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: are this big. I'm scared shit less, you know, but 114 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 4: also at the same time, I'm well prepared and come 115 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: to find out, we're playing Holland in the finals. 116 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: So we're thrilled we've been. 117 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: Crushing them, and we go out into that game and 118 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 4: we're down. 119 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 5: By four zero. Immediately we had relaxed as a team. 120 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: We didn't fully focus and prepare to step into that 121 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: game ready to go. I think we thought we had 122 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: it in the bag. And what a great learning lesson 123 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 4: and a hard learning look that. So we scratched and 124 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: scraped and just worked our butts to get back into 125 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: that game. And with twenty seconds left, we had a 126 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: time out and we were down by one. So what 127 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: our whole game plan at that point with twenty seconds 128 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 4: left in the game was to tie the game and 129 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: go into overtime and still have the opportunity to win gold. 130 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: So I'm again, I'm the youngest on the team. I 131 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: haven't been a part of any after goal games. I 132 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 4: haven't done any of the and the end of game 133 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 4: series or anything like that. And my coach puts me 134 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 4: in and I'm thinking, like did he make a mistake? 135 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 5: Like I don't want to go in there, you know, 136 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 5: but I got to go. I got to show up. 137 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 5: I gotta do this thing. So we go in. 138 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: We have the we have three shots on the cage. 139 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 4: Three shots on the cage. One hits the bar, bounces back, 140 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: my teammate picks shoots it. The goalie hits it, blocks 141 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: it down in front of my teammate. She picks it 142 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: back up again and goes for her second shot on 143 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: the cage. Goalie blocks it again. Buzzer rings, and it 144 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 4: feels like a horse has kicked me in my chest, 145 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: like I can still hear the sound of the air 146 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 4: leaving my mouth, like, and it was like my body 147 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: was just I was like we had lost the gold 148 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: medal and one silver and I was the furthest point 149 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 4: away from our bench in the pool, and I had 150 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 4: to swim all the way across the pool to our 151 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: bench to see our team, and I'm just balling, falling, falling, balling. 152 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 4: It was the most painful loss that I had experience 153 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 4: in my career, and probably to date still the most 154 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: painful loss that I had experienced, because we weren't the underdogs. 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: I mean, it was ours to lose, and we did it. 156 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 4: You weren't David right exactly exactly, and so you know 157 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: a lot of feelings go through your mind, and I 158 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: think looking at my teammates was probably the hardest getting 159 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: out and just eye to eye and just being like, 160 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, we didn't get the job done. 161 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 5: And it's a team thing and it's a collective. It 162 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 5: was all of our responsibilities. 163 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: But the pain and just the heartbreak that went into 164 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: that and how everyone was impacted differently by that, And so, 165 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: you know, I didn't look at any pictures from Beijing. 166 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 4: I didn't rewatch that final game. I kind of wanted 167 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 4: to pretend like it didn't happen. I was two weeks 168 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: late to starting school at USC and I came off 169 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: the plane from Beijing and right into college training and 170 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: right into school and catching up with everything, and it 171 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: was kind of like it never happened. 172 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: What would normally happen after that? 173 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: Would you guys come around, watch films, see what you 174 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: can correct, Like, so it happens in football, right, you 175 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: immediately watch you know, the game over again and. 176 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: Cut it up and all that. What happens in a 177 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: situation like. 178 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 5: This really interesting. 179 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: At the Olympics, it's like everyone goes their separate ways. 180 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 4: Everyone typically, you know, flights are going to this place 181 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: that place, some people are going home, some people are 182 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: starting vacation. 183 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 5: Because we've been training for four years for this and at. 184 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: That time we also went through a coach change, so 185 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: it wasn't even like for the next squad, we had 186 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: a whole different coach, and so a lot had changed 187 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 4: during that time. And there, you know, the next time 188 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 4: we were going to meet was the following summer. 189 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: You guys don't talk until then really for. 190 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: A year much, and so that kind of. 191 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: Had to go through that trauma by yourself. Or do 192 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: you lean into your teammates during it or you guys 193 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: just kind of isolate. 194 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what my other teammates were doing, 195 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 4: but in my experience, it was time to turn the 196 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: page and start focusing on my leadership. I was a 197 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: junior at USC, I was a captain. It was time 198 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: to get my college team prepared. And so, you know, 199 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 4: you brought what you learned, but you are assessing and 200 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: kind of you know, you're you're going through that process, 201 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: whether it was a positive way or not. 202 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 5: For myself, it was really tough. It was really tough. 203 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 4: And I think what also was tough now that I'm 204 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 4: thinking about it was going back to sc and halfway 205 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: through our season, we had recruited the starting goalie for Holland. 206 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: Who oh way, and so she became our goalie at 207 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: SCAH my god, and I had to like digest all 208 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: that because it was still so fresh. It was only 209 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: you know, three six months prior to that that I 210 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 4: was playing in the finals of the Olympic Games with 211 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: her and felt like, you know, we blew it and 212 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 4: we lost it, and you know, there's anger and there's frustration. 213 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: You're taking responsibile and you're not taking responsibil and there's 214 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: all these different fas and you know, at this point, 215 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 4: I'm twenty one. I'm not equipped with all of the 216 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: like their ways of processing things. And yeah, so then 217 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: I had to kind of figure out what was it 218 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: like to start building a WI with the goalie that 219 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 4: was a starting goalie for Holland and had the gold 220 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 4: medal around her neck and I had the silver and 221 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 4: I was even processing what it was like to come 222 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 4: home to the US and being in front of my 223 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: SA teammates with this silver medal and taking responsibility for it. 224 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 5: So you know, that was a test. 225 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: And for me, it's you got to get everyone on 226 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 4: the same page to get to where you need to go. 227 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, because the rest of 228 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: us out there, we see and hear silver medal. Wow, 229 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: Like that's incredible. Are you, as an athlete, Olympic athlete, 230 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: able to appreciate winning silver or do you look at 231 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: it as it's not gold, so it's nothing. 232 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: It's a tough It was a tough one for us 233 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: to swallow. To be honest, it was if you think 234 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: about individual athletes who are raising the clock because silver 235 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: is you know, it's not quite cold, but you're still 236 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: you're ending at a great. 237 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 5: Time chilver metal, Yeah, yeah, and it's you know. 238 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: In the entire world. Yeah, yes. 239 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: And I remember watching track and field and Carmelina Jina 240 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 4: was like she won silver and she's like, my name's 241 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: kind they did it and I'm the second bestest woman 242 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: in the world, and she was so pumped up and 243 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: she like finished. 244 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 5: On a high. 245 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: But yeah, to lose your last game and to be 246 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 4: favored for gold, it was tough, Jay, And now I'm. 247 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 5: Proud of it, you know, I like it's changed perspective, 248 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 5: you know. 249 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: On how I approached the second two Olympics that I 250 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 4: had the honor of competing, and it changed everything moving 251 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 4: forward because you take all the hard learning lessons from 252 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: that of like, okay, we relaxed, you know, where we're 253 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: thinking where were the breakdowns in our preparation where you know, 254 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 4: could we have been better focused? 255 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 5: What surprised us? 256 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: You know, how are we going to prepare so that 257 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 4: we could never have to experience again? 258 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 5: And so that. 259 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 4: Was that was a pretty rough introduction, you know, to 260 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: the national team as a young one. But I decided 261 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: I wanted to embark on the next Olympics. And there 262 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: was eight of us girls who returned from that two 263 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 4: thousand and eight Olympics who was going for gold in 264 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: twenty twelve, and again, you know, whatever motivated each of us, 265 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 4: it was like we wanted gold that time we experienced silver, 266 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 4: and we didn't want to do that again. So there 267 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: was there was a bit of fire underneath this group. 268 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: And it was now our second time around, so we 269 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 4: could anticipate what to expect and how we wanted to 270 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 4: show up and what we wanted to change. And we 271 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 4: were no younger, we were no longer that young team. 272 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: And then there was two veterans on our team that 273 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 4: were going on their fourth Olympic Games. 274 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: So they had won. 275 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: Silver, bronze, silver in Beijing, and then London was their 276 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: opportunity to win gold. So I mean talk about one 277 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: to do it for those girls sixteen years, sixteen years 278 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 4: training to get that dream of winning gold, and so, 279 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: you know, I think there was a lot. 280 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 5: It was a long four years and there was. 281 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: A lot of building our culture and coming together again. 282 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: I had mentioned, we went through a coach change, which 283 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: change is never easy, especially leadership at the top. We 284 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 4: had to figure out kind of a new style of play, 285 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: a new style of coaching, a new and a little 286 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: bit of a new approach to our game in a way. 287 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: And I remember there was a pivotal point. We're in 288 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: a training camp in Italy, and. 289 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: How much before the next Olympics is this training camp? 290 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the training camp in Italy was in April 291 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: of the Olympic year, so we were probably five months 292 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: out or for mon. 293 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 5: Sou And we had a night we were free. 294 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 4: We were meant to come back and meet for dinner, 295 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: and wires got crossed and you know, the team ended 296 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: up kind of butting heads that night because these girls 297 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: were late and they show up and enough is enough 298 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 4: kind of thing, and we were probably as divided as 299 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 4: we had ever been in that four year quad and it. 300 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 5: All came to a head that night in Italy. 301 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: And I remember, you know, going to bed that night 302 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 4: feeling like, oh my gosh, you know what's going to 303 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: be the punishment for this, because I know, like our 304 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: coach probably isn't too happy. And so we show up 305 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: to morning practice and I think he's just going to 306 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: murder us, you know, like take us through the hardest 307 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: conditioning sets and all that stuff. 308 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 5: And he doesn't, which makes me even more terrified. 309 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: And we come back for our evening training and he 310 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 4: called practice and you don't call practice. Time is really precious, 311 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: especially when you're four to five months out from the 312 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: Olympic Games. 313 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 5: And I thought, okay, this is it. 314 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: Sit down in my seat and I'm kind of bracing 315 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: for impact, and he looked at us and he goes, 316 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: this is your team. 317 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 5: You guys need to figure it out. 318 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: And so I thought he would stand up there and 319 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 4: just kind of yell at us and lean into us 320 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: and tell us. 321 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 5: What we need to do and how we need to be. 322 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: And he basically in a time fast with fear and division, 323 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: and it's. 324 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: A lot of frustration and anger. Perhaps in the room. 325 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 4: He gave us ownership of the team, and he said, 326 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: you girls need to figure it out. This is your team. 327 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: So we circled up and we sat in a circle, 328 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: and it was kind of a little bit of a 329 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: Kumbaya come to Jesus, like share everything that was on 330 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: our mind and our plate, but just having a really honest, 331 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 4: challenging conversation as teammates, but still remaining respectful and direct 332 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: and firm. But yet there was warmth and kindness. There 333 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: was a reason for this communication. 334 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 5: And I had at the time this is. 335 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: The part of the story I love. Is what I had. 336 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: You tell the RAMS coaches go ahead. Yeah. 337 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: So at that time I had kept a journal in 338 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 4: my swim bag and was wrapped up in a plastic 339 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: zip block bag so that it didn't get wet and 340 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: bleed and you know, get a mess. So I had 341 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: written probably earlier in that year, probably six months prior. 342 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it's like making me a. 343 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: Little emotional even still today, but I had written down 344 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 4: all of my fears and concerns about reliving that experience 345 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: of winning a silver medal, because again, it was the 346 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 4: most heartbreaking and most challenging loss that I had ever experienced. 347 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 5: And I wrote down like what scared me? 348 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: You know what I wanted from my teammates, you know 349 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: what that experience really was, Like. 350 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: How much losing sucks, the pain of losing yep. 351 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 4: And I had dumped all of that in that journal, 352 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 4: and that day I felt moved to pull. 353 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 5: That journal out of my bag and I was shaking. 354 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: I was so nervous because it was such a vulnerable 355 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: experience and it was so close to my heart. And 356 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 4: eight girls on that team had experienced it, but I 357 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: don't know that I had ever shared it in that 358 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: kind of depth and that close to my heart and shape. 359 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: And I'm like trying to Yeah, you're sharing your pain 360 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: so others understand it. I like, I look at it 361 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: a lot of times like we have to go through 362 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: our pains so we could help others through theirs. 363 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 3: That's exactly what this is. 364 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: Yes, And so I'm trying to open my zip block bag. 365 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 4: It's one of those like zipper ones and it's stuck, 366 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: and so now I'm like ripping the plastic. You know, 367 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: it's like all dramatic, And I open up the journal 368 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: and I start reading and I'm crying. And then pretty soon, 369 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 4: like you know, my teammates who are a part of it, 370 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 4: are crying, and then the whole room is crying, you know, 371 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: because it was such a real again, it was such 372 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: a raw, real emotion. And my ask in that was that, 373 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 4: you know, that we come together as a team, because one, 374 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: I didn't want to experience that again, but even more so, 375 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: I didn't want my team to have to experience that 376 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 4: feeling coming in for their first time. You know, we 377 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: had had a track record of winning, and you know, 378 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: there's the again, the expectation that will win. We're favored 379 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: for gold and we're the US and we're just going 380 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: to win a gold medal and it's that easy and 381 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: it's not, you know, and I don't want to feel 382 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 4: that way, and I want to make sure you don't 383 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 4: feel that way. And they ask was for us to 384 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: come together and navigate through this because trust me, we 385 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 4: don't want to end up on any other podium but 386 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 4: the top. And I think that, you know, I look 387 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 4: back at that time and it was a big pivotal 388 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 4: moment for our team. You know, there was a lot 389 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 4: of positive that was shared in that circle that day, 390 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 4: and I think about my contribution and the positivity that 391 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: that brought in regards to getting us moving in a 392 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: right direction from that division, and I think, you know. 393 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 5: I look back at that and I wouldn't change. 394 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: You know, the awkwardness and the courage and the sweaty armpits, 395 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 4: and the moment and the shaking of the hands and 396 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 4: the tears. I wouldn't. I wouldn't trade that for anything. 397 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: Because fast forward, we go to London. 398 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: Well wait, back back up, though, because I've you've told 399 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: this story. You said that really brought the team together. 400 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: You also told me that's the day you knew your 401 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: team would win gold and you started doing something. 402 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, So actually I was. I was home after that 403 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 5: training camp. 404 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 4: Then we were getting back into our kind of flow 405 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 4: of training at home on us soil prior to going 406 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 4: to London, and I remember vividly I was working on 407 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 4: the computer doing something prior to practice and I kind 408 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 4: of got like this full body chill over me. And 409 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 4: I wasn't with any teammates or anything. My boyfriend was 410 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 4: in the room at the time, and I looked at 411 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 4: him and I said, we're going to win a gold 412 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: medal in London, Like I know, and like whatever just 413 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: came over me, I know, in every cell in my 414 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 4: body that we are going to win, and you know, 415 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: my boyfriend's like, oh okay, like you know what, and 416 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: I was like no, like I was so certain and 417 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 4: whatever that feeling was that came over me that like 418 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: just I knew. 419 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 5: So I thought like, okay, if it's you. 420 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 4: Know, if we're going to be winning, which I know 421 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 4: now because I felt that feeling, be ready to sing 422 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 4: the national anthem. 423 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 5: On worldwide TV. So the pool was about. 424 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: Twenty minutes from my house, and I would turn off 425 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 4: the radio and sit in silence, and I would sing 426 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: on my way to the pool, my twenty minutes the 427 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 4: national anthem and I would just practice, oh say you know, 428 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 4: and I would sing it really loud and proud, and 429 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 4: for me. 430 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 5: It was so important to not be one of those 431 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 5: bloopers or. 432 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: Like practicing the national anthem, no, and I'm gonna win goal, Yeah, 433 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: I've got to start practicing the anthem is unbelievable. 434 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean talk about like putting yourself there. So 435 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 4: I was just visualizing us on that podium, receiving our 436 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: gold medals and watching that flag go up and singing 437 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 4: our national anthem, and. 438 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 5: Again, yeah, I can feel the emotion bubbling up because 439 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 5: we lived it out. 440 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 4: We were able to reach that place of coming together 441 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: as a team, working through another tournament, using our learning 442 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: lessons from and learning our learning lessons from the silver medal, 443 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: and won a gold medal in London and watching you know, 444 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 4: my teammates who again this was their fourth Olympic Games, 445 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: sixteen years working towards this goal, and watching them receive 446 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 4: their gold medals around their neck and I'm getting emotional. 447 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was it was them. I can't 448 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 5: even describe it. 449 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: And then your flag starts to go up, and you've 450 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 4: dreamt about this since you were a little girl, and 451 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 4: the national anthem starts to play, and I'm just like bawling, 452 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 4: like eyes are streaming, snots coming out of my nose, 453 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 4: like I'm breathing out. 454 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: Of my mouth. 455 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 4: All that practice on the national anthem, I just threw 456 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: it out the window because I not saying anything in 457 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 4: that moment. 458 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 5: I was just a wreck, because it I mean it was. 459 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 4: And You've got your family in the stands, they've all 460 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: come down towards the pool deck and they're watching you 461 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 4: with your gold medal and the flag, and it's just 462 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 4: like it's one of the most row noticed moments in 463 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: my life personally for my team, but even as an Americano. 464 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 4: It was It's hard to describe, but that made the 465 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 4: silver medal worth it all and impacted and changed everything 466 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 4: in how we moved forward, and it even adjusted our culture, 467 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: and it even adjusted, you know, how we. 468 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 5: Did certain things. 469 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 4: And so I think it's super important to learn from 470 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: those failures and. 471 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 5: Bring them forward and that, you know, I laugh at 472 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 5: this story. 473 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 4: So when we're finished kind of going through the metal 474 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: ceremony and winning gold, we're all sitting in a waiting 475 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: room and this is you know, with international plays. 476 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 5: One of our girls is getting drug tested. So it's like, 477 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: we all got to wait. 478 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: She's got to get drug tested. We just won this 479 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 4: gold medal. We just want to go party and like sell, 480 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: you know. But we're all sitting and waiting and my 481 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 4: coach was sitting on the arm of my chair and 482 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 4: I remember looking up at him and I said, you 483 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: want to do this again? 484 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: Really? 485 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 4: He's like, could you just be in the moment enjoy 486 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: what we did? And I was like, Okay, yeah, sure, 487 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 4: but I. 488 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 5: Mean it felt that good. 489 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 4: And I was on such a high from the win 490 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 4: and from the experience that I was like, sign me 491 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: up for the next four years, like I'm ready to go, 492 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 4: Like I want to feel this feeling over and over again. 493 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: So you do sign up for it again, you win 494 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: another gold right, and where is that at? 495 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: That wasn't real? 496 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 3: Okay? Real? Yeah? 497 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: What's what's the difference in feelings of the two of 498 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: winning both those gold medals? 499 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 5: Yeah? 500 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: I think my experience and my age that felt the 501 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 4: most different. I think I went from being kind of 502 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 4: the middle of the herd in twenty. 503 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 5: Twelve, I was twenty five. 504 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: I had veteran teammates that really some of them really 505 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: carried and burdened some weight that I didn't have to 506 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 4: as you know, a returner, but still a younger athlete, 507 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 4: and you know, I think I felt I had more 508 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: support than we were. 509 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 5: Doing it together. 510 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 4: And I think in twenty sixteen, I felt very much 511 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: on that kind of end of it. 512 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 5: Was me and one other. 513 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 4: Girl who were the oldest on the team, and we 514 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: were returners, and I felt, you know, there's a little 515 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 4: bit more that you hold and you get to a 516 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 4: point in your leadership where you know you're not just 517 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: like this taking care of your job and your role, 518 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 4: but you're now your your eyes are wider, and your 519 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 4: chin is up, and you're now. 520 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 5: You're you're taking care of the whole, not just the individual. 521 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: And so you know, I felt that I think there 522 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 4: was a little bit of like relief almost that we 523 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: made it in Reo, Like I got these girls here, 524 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: you know, like I did my job and my role 525 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: as you know, the athlete that I needed to be. 526 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: I did my job and role. 527 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 4: As a leader, and you know, I got these young 528 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: girls through this process. 529 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 5: And it was it felt like such a like passing 530 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 5: of the torch. 531 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 4: And so although it was still the same, I was 532 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 4: still bawling, and I was still emotional, and I was 533 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: still so proud, and I was very connected with that team, 534 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: but I felt more of like a veteran leader that 535 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: there was also this relief of like, I, God. 536 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 6: We did it like everyone everyone, No one experienced any 537 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 6: bad feelings, and we like got to the top and 538 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 6: it was and it was great where I felt a 539 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 6: little bit more a part of you know, I was 540 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 6: kind of more in the middle in twenty twelve. 541 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: Did you know going in the last one it would 542 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 3: be your last one? Yeah, that's different, right, she. 543 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: Had your first gold medal and then your last gold 544 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: medals four years later. 545 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and knowing standing on that podium and knowing 546 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 4: I think what's really unique about the Olympic experience is 547 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 4: once you step off the podium, we kind of all 548 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 4: just go in our different directions. You know. It's like 549 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 4: sometimes we all end up like hanging out and partying 550 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 4: at the end. Some people are with their families, some 551 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 4: people are already flying out for vaguely again, it's like you 552 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 4: work into this big peak point and then everyone's just 553 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: like you know, and so once you step off that 554 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: podium and that last bus ride home is over, that 555 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 4: team's never that team again. So I had, you know, 556 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 4: every time I feel that experience of stepping off that 557 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 4: and had in those three years, I knew that it 558 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: was never going to be the same. 559 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 5: That was it, That was the moment. 560 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 4: But that team came together and did all the right 561 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 4: things to see themselves succeed and get to the top 562 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: of the podium. And then from that moment you step off, 563 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 4: and that team will never be the same because one 564 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: person will retire, this person won't come back, or you know, 565 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: the dynamic shifts, and so there's a little bit of 566 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 4: that feeling and then I knew that that was going 567 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: to be my last experience in that position, and so 568 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: you know, I was holding all of that, but you're 569 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 4: you're so in the moment that you don't start processing 570 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 4: that until you're sitting at home and you're couch by yourself, 571 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 4: going like someone going to send me the practice schedule. 572 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 5: It's not common, it's not coming. 573 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 574 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that you knew you were prepared that 575 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: yet I met you because you were struggling winning ended right, 576 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: and you know you came to me for help, for 577 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: to help you through the transition. 578 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: So I guess if you look back at it now, 579 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 3: what you've gone. 580 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: Through, what you tell these other Olympians, is there way 581 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: to better prepare yourself for when the incomes and you 582 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: have to go in transition? 583 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 5: Yeah? 584 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 4: I think, you know, as I look back and I reflect, 585 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: and I think everyone is different of what their what 586 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 4: their needs are. But I found that if I could 587 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 4: do anything different, I would have probably put MVP and 588 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 4: or community like MVP and mentors around me prior to retiring, 589 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 4: Like if I. 590 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 5: Had been you know, a part of and. 591 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: It maybe it wasn't like a weekly going to our sessions, 592 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: but like if I knew that that was already behind me, as. 593 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: I was going for a new team to transition. 594 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 4: To absolutely rather than having to struggle and then searching 595 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: and finding when you feel, you know, not like yourself 596 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 4: and your perhaps lacking confidence or direction or you know, 597 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 4: all of the emotions that come with transition, with anxiety, depression, 598 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 4: you know, isolation, embarrassment, you know, all those things that 599 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: can emerge for athletes in different ways. I think having 600 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 4: mentors and community in place prior to your retirement, understanding 601 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 4: that you know, you are now responsible for your own 602 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 4: schedule and routine, so finding your schedule and routine, and 603 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: then plugging in movement, you know, like we're athletes want 604 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 4: to go, you know, we want to move and we're 605 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 4: trained to you know. I think one of the things 606 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 4: that I took from the huddle is we're trained to 607 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 4: turn it on, but we're not trained to turn it off, 608 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 4: and so we you know, I think making sure all 609 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 4: those things are in place prior to your retirement, so 610 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: again when you're feeling far away from who you are 611 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: at your core, that those things are kind of operating 612 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: for you. 613 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: And I want people to understand I use this as 614 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: in my book I'm break well on here when I'm 615 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: trying to teach people about how to navigate their own 616 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: grade their depression anxiety is team for me is a 617 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: huge thing. It's one of my pillars of getting through it. 618 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: But people, I think a lot of people try to 619 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: search for the same exact type of team, and you 620 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: don't have to. So like for me, I'm like, hey, 621 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: God's a teammate, My dog's a teammate right now, my 622 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: wife is a teammate. Certain friends are my Fox and 623 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: Able Sunday crew, my fight teams. A team like you 624 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: have these different teams. You just have to recognize it 625 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: and not put so much pressure on them that they're 626 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: not the UoS Olympic Women's Border poloup a. 627 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 4: Team that's really well said Jay, because I think there 628 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 4: you can't replace it. Like I said, the you step 629 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 4: off that podium, that team's never the same, and so 630 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: it would be almost foolish of us to think that 631 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: we could replace them that specific team. 632 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 5: We couldn't even do it with another group of water 633 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 5: polo players. 634 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 4: You know, I think that your teams are always evolving 635 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 4: and they're always changing, and I love that idea of 636 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 4: thinking not putting so much pressure on the new team 637 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 4: that you're developing, but recognizing what roles that they're playing 638 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 4: for you. 639 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 5: And they may not be passing. 640 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 4: You a ball or you know, blocking the ball behind 641 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: you that you miss, but you know, what is that? 642 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 4: What is their role within your life today outside of 643 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: the pool or off the field or off the ice. 644 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: You know what's one of the coolest things about the 645 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: Olympic experience that we may not know? 646 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 5: It's interesting. 647 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: I would say our Olympic tournament is two weeks long, 648 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 4: and the Olympic tournament is two weeks long, and so 649 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: we're locked in from start to finish, and I think, 650 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: you know, people are talk about like, oh, it's such 651 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 4: a cool thing. You know, swimming is the first week 652 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 4: they get their events done and then they've got kind 653 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: of like the second week to hang and explore. 654 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 5: And you know, I think volleyball's the same way. I 655 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 5: would be. 656 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: They start the day after the ceremony. 657 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, so you're locked in start to finish, and 658 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 4: you know, for us, I think it was really about 659 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: making that Olympic village home and you know, being comfortable 660 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 4: and moving through two weeks and staying focused and I 661 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 4: think what was cool about the Olympic experience. I think 662 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 4: it's just interacting with other athletes and having a sense 663 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: and understanding of what they sacrifice and probably what it 664 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 4: took to get there, and knowing they each have a story. 665 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 4: And everyone's ring. You know, everybody wears their gear. Nobody's 666 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 4: like wearing street clothes. In the Olympic village. Everyone's got 667 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 4: USA or you know, Italy, Like everyone's got their swag on, 668 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 4: and they're representing what they're representing, and everyone's focus and 669 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: they're moving through and the dining halls a buzz and 670 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 4: anywhere that you know, going to the bus is a buzz, 671 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: and you just think like anyone at any moment is 672 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 4: jumping on a bus to go try to like fulfill 673 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: their dreams of whatever that may be for them. 674 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 5: So I think it's just really cool to just. 675 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: Be aware of those who are moving around you, and 676 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: you know, there's some like really high profile athletes that 677 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: are moving through the Olympic village as well, and in 678 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: that moment, we're all in the same playing field and 679 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 4: that's really cool to experience that. 680 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: Were you also at the closing ceremonies, I was, yeah, okay, 681 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: So what's the difference in emotion between opening and closing ceremonies. 682 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 4: Oh, man, it's a difference in the weight that you're 683 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: holding in your focus. I mean, at closing ceremonies, the 684 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: job's done. You've got your metal around your neck and 685 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: you're like it's a far you know. And opening ceremonies really, man, 686 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 4: it's just like you you made it. Like you arrive, 687 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 4: there's all these kind of surreal little moments after you're 688 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 4: name to an Olympic team that you're like, oh, like, 689 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: I made it. 690 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 5: I'm here, like first your name to it. 691 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 4: And then you get like all of your gear and 692 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: you're just again swagged out by Nike and Ralph Brenn 693 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 4: and you're like just giving these giant suitcases of like 694 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 4: all this cool gear and you're like, WHOA, that's cool. 695 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 5: I feel like I made it. 696 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 4: Then you arrived to Olympic village and you're moving through 697 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 4: it with all the other athletes and you're like, whoa, I. 698 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 5: Made it, you know. 699 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 4: And then you're you're dressed up in your opening ceremony 700 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 4: uniform with all of the other US athletes and you 701 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 4: start hearing the stadium rumble and it's you you and 702 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 4: they know, you know, they know you're coming in, and 703 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 4: you go in and you just feel this big in 704 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: a massive stadium, you know, waterpol I'm not football Jay. 705 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 5: And I'm you know, everyone's roaring out. 706 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 4: There, and you're just proud and you're like, this is 707 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 4: the this is the essence of being an Olympic athlete 708 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 4: and representing your. 709 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 5: Country and yeah, and that's just another thing. 710 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 4: And arriving to the pool that you're competing and you're like, man, 711 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 4: we've made it. So there's all these moments that continue 712 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 4: to just you pause and just enjoy it along the 713 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 4: way that it's just it's it feels awesome. 714 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: You know, when you're in a game, what's the timeframe 715 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 2: of how long you're in that pool? 716 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: You know, swimming and trending water. 717 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 4: So we have four eight minute quarters and so I 718 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 4: mean any games. 719 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: You're in there the whole top. 720 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 4: No, we'll we sub in and out. Yeah, yeah, I 721 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 4: would say probably. I mean back then I was probably 722 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 4: playing sixty five percent stuff, just depending on I think. 723 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: Five minute goes or is it like two minutes, ten? Like, 724 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 3: how is it. 725 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 4: Three, three minutes, four minutes? Just depending on how the 726 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 4: quarter goes. I mean, to play a whole quarter in 727 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 4: my position specifically would be a. 728 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: Lot real the enforcer. Pretty much you're the one drowning 729 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: the other girls, right. 730 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm from the center. 731 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 4: My job is to just basically have someone like try 732 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 4: to drown me the whole time. 733 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 5: And I have tol. 734 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 4: You know, we have some other girls who would play 735 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 4: full full quarters. 736 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 5: But yeah, you're looking at. 737 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 4: Anywhere from three minutes and fifty seconds to four minutes 738 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 4: and then you're you're sebbing. 739 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 3: Is there a certain breathing technique you do during the 740 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: time there? 741 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 4: No, I mean no, I think you think about breathing technique. 742 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 4: It's just having your head on the landline is taking 743 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 4: those big deep breaths. You know, there's times where I'm 744 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 4: going to die, your lungs, lungs, and you know you're 745 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: in the water at that point. 746 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 5: You just want to slow it all down. 747 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 4: And there's been times I've gone up against Australia and Hungary, 748 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 4: which has some pretty big defenders who guard my position, 749 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, with my head on that 750 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 4: lane line, before the whistle blows and the ball drops, 751 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 4: this maybe the last good breath that I get. 752 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 5: So enjoy it. 753 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 3: I have it. 754 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 5: But yeah, I think. 755 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 4: You know, the conditioning that goes into our sport is 756 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 4: just ridiculous. Six and a half hours a day, six 757 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 4: days a week each to play eight for. 758 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 3: Minute quarters six and a half hours a day, six 759 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:07,959 Speaker 3: days a week. 760 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 5: Yep, wow, Yes. 761 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 3: Is that training predominantly in the pool or is it both? 762 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 4: We do about an hour and a half at times 763 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 4: two hours in the weight room, and we would do 764 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: running and conditioning, a lot of strength training and gym 765 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 4: and then yeah, swimming and conditioning legs and then just 766 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 4: wrapping our game and playing polo. 767 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 2: Last two questions, I know you're now You've use a 768 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: lot of your experience to move on and coach in 769 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: your next phase of life. 770 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 3: You explain what you're doing now. 771 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 772 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 4: So I work for a boutique coaching firm called Mindful Warrior, 773 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 4: and I do executive performance coaching. So everything that I 774 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 4: have learned about building teams and building culture and building 775 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 4: bridges and connections within teams and getting teams to the 776 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 4: top of the podium, I'm now bringing into corporations organizations 777 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 4: and working with CEOs and c suites and helping do 778 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 4: the same. And I pinched myself every day because it 779 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 4: does feel so much like what I have opportunity doing 780 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 4: in the water and now bringing it to. 781 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that because you're a 782 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 2: born coach. I think you're a born coach. And right 783 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 2: even though you've you played and you've been you've had 784 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 2: three medals, but I've always looked at you more of 785 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,479 Speaker 2: a You're a born leader. 786 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: You're a born coach. So I was going to ask you, 787 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 3: is it fulfill you? 788 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: Is it able to fill you up to So to 789 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: hear this because I knew the struggles you had in transition, 790 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: So to hear you say that it feels like it 791 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 2: and it's fulfilling you take c that's everything. 792 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean it's help. It's what it's the 793 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 4: same thing. It's giving back and helping others. 794 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 3: The service, YEAP figure out a lot of people to 795 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 3: understand this. Kemy went through a period of years where 796 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 3: she was. 797 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: Trying to find this and there were a lot of 798 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 2: really dark times during that, but she found it. So 799 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: don't give up trying to find it. Like, imagine if 800 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 2: you gave up and you weren't, you never got to 801 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,479 Speaker 2: experience this level of joy that you have right. 802 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 4: Now, and it's the patients, and it's putting the right 803 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 4: community around you to help you keep your confidence and 804 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 4: doubts at bay, but keep your confidence up. 805 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 5: And thank you. 806 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it took some time to find it, but I again, 807 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 4: it feels like I get to be a teammate to 808 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 4: really amazing clients. 809 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 3: I love it. Well, you're all with my teammate, you 810 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 3: know that. 811 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, last question since I met you, unbreakable, did Jim 812 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: give me your own breakable moment? The moment that should 813 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: have broken your could have, but didn't, and as a result, 814 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: you came through the other side of that tunnel stronger forever. 815 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 816 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 4: I think in following my retirement, I had experienced some 817 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 4: low lows and I was having a hard time finding 818 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 4: the ground underneath my feet, and I thought, you know, 819 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 4: my friends could help me. My boyfriend could heal me, 820 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 4: my parents could heal me. I wanted anyone to kind 821 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 4: of take that pain away. And I was lashing out 822 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 4: at the people closest to me because I'm like, do something. 823 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. How do I get 824 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 4: through this? And there was a significant day where I 825 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 4: was sitting at the beach just thinking like what am 826 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 4: I going to do a really really low day for 827 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 4: me and feeling really kind of distant from those close 828 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 4: to me because I was thrashing and pushing them away 829 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 4: but also needing them so badly in this rough transition. 830 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 4: And that was the day that I chose to call 831 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 4: a therapist and start seeking therapy and getting help in 832 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 4: this transition. And within that period of time, that was also. 833 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 5: When I realized that. 834 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 4: I was the only one that could take responsibility for 835 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 4: my feelings and experience, and I was the only one 836 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: that it was going to be able to heal myself 837 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 4: through this journey. My boyfriend couldn't do it, my parents 838 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 4: couldn't do it, my friend's goldn't do it. I was 839 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 4: the one that had to do it. And a good 840 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 4: therapist is one that facilitates you being able to heal yourself. 841 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 4: And what a great, great thing to be able to 842 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 4: learn and grab. 843 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 5: And it could have gone that direction, but it went 844 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 5: in the right direction. 845 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 4: And again, my experience through healing is now allowing me 846 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 4: to show up for others and share that immediately. 847 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 2: A heel Tommy is a happy cammy. A happy cammy 848 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: is a happy jay Lace. Thanks, I really appreciate it. 849 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: Cammy Craig loved the story. And by the way, when 850 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: she told this story to the Rams coaches, their reactions. 851 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 3: What the fuck you gotta wait for years and they 852 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 3: just lost the Super Bowl to the Patriots. 853 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: I was like right, and I was like, man, tell 854 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: your players to go to journal and talk about how 855 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 2: much it sucks to lose, like Cammy did. 856 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 3: And I know Sean went and talked to a couple 857 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 3: of those guys about it. It was great. 858 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a born coach and I love you and 859 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 2: I'm proud to call you my sister. 860 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 5: I love you too, Jay. Thanks so much, Kemmy 861 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 3: Craig, thank you for joining the Unbreakable Podcast.