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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I

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Speaker 1: Never Told You product if I Hearted You, And today

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Speaker 1: we are bringing back a classic that we did around

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Speaker 1: the birth rate and declining birth rate because this has

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Speaker 1: been on my mind for a while, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's been on a lot of people's minds for a while,

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Speaker 1: and I think we need to come back and revisit it,

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Speaker 1: probably because there's a lot of reporting being done about

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Speaker 1: how it looks at different countries and why it's happening

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Speaker 1: in different countries. But there are some very very reoccurring

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Speaker 1: themes that are usually around women having more opportunities than

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Speaker 1: they previously had had and cost cost of raising a

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Speaker 1: until we come back and revisit it, here is our

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Speaker 1: classic episode on it. Please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie

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Speaker 1: and Samantha and welcome to Stefan Never Told You, a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome and Happy Women's International Day, International Women's Day.

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Speaker 2: I said it wrong, International Women's Day.

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Speaker 1: Annie, Yes, Happy International Women's Day to you as well.

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Speaker 2: And y'all we are actually recording the day of just

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Speaker 2: to give you a time fram Yes, this is March eighth,

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Speaker 2: four and yeah, this is very current affair, so everything

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's International Women's Day, and what better day

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Speaker 2: than to talk about the declining birth rate? No, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: that's a hell of an introduction, right, Yes, definitely, And

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Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and put a content warning so

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Speaker 2: we're not necessarily talking about anything to a graphic, but

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a conversation about children and babies

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Speaker 2: and birthy and reproductive health, so there you go, and

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Speaker 2: limited rights of women and marginalized communities.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's have a cele Women's Day.

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Speaker 2: That's how we do it. So and I think we

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Speaker 2: ideas for our shows, and we, oftentimes, especially me, underestimate

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Speaker 3: So I want to edit all that.

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Speaker 2: But yes, this is a little larger than what I had,

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Speaker 2: which we were going to do as a Monday mini

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Speaker 2: because I've seen so many tiktoks about it, and I

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Speaker 2: be a quick rundown of the declining population and the

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Speaker 2: people who have refused to have more children as a

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Speaker 2: form of protests to the ill treatment and constant abuse

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Speaker 2: patriarchy and misogynists in Asian countries specifically, but as per usual,

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Speaker 2: while doing the research, we found some connections, some disturbing

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Speaker 2: connections all around the world on how politicians and people

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Speaker 2: in power i e. Men in power and racists are

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Speaker 2: several episodes talking about different perspectives on choosing whether or

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Speaker 2: The sexism, racism, and ableism and so many other isms.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to the overturning of Roe v. Wade

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Speaker 2: But today we're not just talking about those who've decided

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Speaker 2: Not to be confused with birth rate, fertility rates measure

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Speaker 1: So with that, a research article that we found on

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Speaker 1: to low fertility? How effective are they? Says quote. In

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Speaker 1: Just to as some context, right. The economists featured in

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Speaker 2: So of course, the reasons behind the lower birth rates

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Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting because I hadn't really considered

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Speaker 2: Well, I've definitely been told many times, who's going to

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Speaker 1: they had found during their research. Quote. We found remarkable

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that is absolute reasons for me that

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Speaker 1: But housing isn't the only problem. The price for education

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Speaker 2: And in some respect that tradition is still pretty steeped.

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Speaker 1: Of course, here's the quote from a March twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four article published in Time dot com. President Moonjayan launched

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Speaker 1: several policies to try and incentivize women to have more children,

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Speaker 1: including cash incentives for families. Under the scheme, every child

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Speaker 1: born from twenty twenty two onwards receives a cash bonus

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Speaker 1: of two million, one one eight hundred and fifty US

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Speaker 1: dollars to help cover prenatal expenses, in addition to a

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Speaker 1: monthly payout that increases every month until the baby turns one.

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Speaker 1: Other incentives include free day care, subsidized pay during childcare leave,

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Speaker 1: and even group blind dates for public servants to try

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Speaker 1: and match make couples.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so thating can help.

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Speaker 2: So. In fact, the country has spent an estimated two

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Speaker 2: hundred billion US dollars to try to fix this problem

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Speaker 2: as of today hasn't resulted in any changes, and they've

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Speaker 2: tried other solutions, including hiring nannies from Southeast Asian countries

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Speaker 2: and paying them below minimum wage gross gross, trying to

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Speaker 2: incentivize exempting men from military services if they have children

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Speaker 2: when they're at the under the age of thirty, which

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Speaker 2: sounds like a misdirect but apparently according to another study,

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Speaker 2: men are part of the big problem too as well,

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Speaker 2: maybe because they can't find women. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: I said that another texts like this, But it wasn't

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Speaker 2: until just recently that the politicians, and I mean like

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, that the politicians realize that maybe talking

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Speaker 2: to the citizens, specifically women or those who can give birth.

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Speaker 3: May be helpful.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, in the past year they have been going

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Speaker 2: around the country talking to the younger generations.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, still no results as of yet that we

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Speaker 3: have seen or talked about.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen any published saying that that's helping and

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Speaker 2: anybody's changing their minds because.

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Speaker 3: Most of them are not.

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Speaker 2: And China has been going through a similar decline. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the history of China and babies not good not good.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty, the Chinese government implemented the one child policy,

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Speaker 2: which was so strict that women were forced into situations

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Speaker 2: they did not choose for themselves. According to an article

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Speaker 2: written for the Global Institute of Women's Leadership, a Chinese

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Speaker 2: researcher wrote, for thirty five years from nineteen eighty to

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, the Chinese government maintained a one child policy,

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Speaker 2: subjecting millions of women to force contraception, for sterilization, and

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Speaker 2: forced abortion, and there have been stories about the level

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Speaker 2: of cruelty the government would use in order to maintain

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Speaker 2: that one child policy, including killing, the killing of newborn infants,

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Speaker 2: kidnapping of women if they had were on their second

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Speaker 2: or more pregnancy, or even taking family members of the

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Speaker 2: pregnant person as hostages if that expected person was hiding.

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Speaker 3: So they went all out, and it.

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Speaker 2: Was in twenty sixteen, a year after they dropped the

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Speaker 2: one child policy, the government increased it to two and

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Speaker 2: it now has risen to a three child policy, allowing

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Speaker 2: people to have up to three children now right, but.

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Speaker 1: There are many who are so traumatized by the past

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Speaker 1: policies that they still live as if they are still

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Speaker 1: under those policies. Here's a quote from an article from NPR.

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Speaker 1: The policy permeates through Chinese society in other, sometimes unexpected ways,

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Speaker 1: because many prioritized having a son over a daughter. Orphotages

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Speaker 1: experienced a surge, and baby girls who are abandoned or

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Speaker 1: put up for adoption. Singles Day, China's biggest online shopping

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Speaker 1: holiday akin to Black Friday in the US, is a

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Speaker 1: recognition of the many bachelors who are unable to find

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Speaker 1: partners in a gender skewed society.

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Speaker 3: So that could be part of the reason.

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Speaker 2: It could be, but the understanding is also there's still

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Speaker 2: kind of a preference to men two boys, which doesn't

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Speaker 2: make sense. Yeah in the greatest scream of things. But

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Speaker 2: I digress. And though they have changed the policy since

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Speaker 2: then and now seem to recognize that there may be

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Speaker 2: a problem with the fact that the population has declined,

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Speaker 2: they have been second largest for the past few years,

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Speaker 2: India has been number one for the most populous, which

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Speaker 2: seems to be a blow to the nation's ego. That

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Speaker 2: surprised me. I have figured that's what they wanted, But okay,

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Speaker 2: but their new policies hasn't changed the birthway.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Adding on to the imbalance of gender and the population,

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Speaker 1: the cost of living in Gender inequality has also affected

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Speaker 1: the numbers, much like South Korea. According to CNBC, as

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Speaker 1: more women attain higher qualifications and rise up the ranks

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Speaker 1: in the workplace, they expect their husbands to earn more

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Speaker 1: than them. In twenty twenty, female students accounted for almost

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Speaker 1: forty two percent of doctorate degree enrollment and a significantly

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Speaker 1: higher number of women enrolled for a master's degree than men.

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Speaker 4: Satista de that has showed, yeah, and of course, so

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Speaker 4: that means people have been choosier when it comes to

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Speaker 4: finding their man, to the point that people have been

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Speaker 4: throwing money people, governments and corporations haven't thrown money at

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Speaker 4: men to make them look better for mating purposes.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know how else to say that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but it sounds so like documentary is.

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Speaker 2: This is where we're going at and just as a reminder,

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Speaker 2: but this still is the expectation that women will take

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Speaker 2: on all the household work, and that women have less

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Speaker 2: rights and will be responsible for this entirety of growth

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Speaker 2: of populations essentially, and of course, add to that the

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Speaker 2: rising costs of housing and supplies, as we talked about earlier,

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Speaker 2: along with the increase of children allowed per household, the

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Speaker 2: government and even corporations have tried to add incentives for

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Speaker 2: people to have more children. Trip dot Com has tried

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Speaker 2: to help with the situation. Specifically, according to that same

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Speaker 2: CNBC article, Trip dot Com is one Chinese company that

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Speaker 2: takes pride in trying to encourage more women to have children.

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Speaker 2: In an organization where more than half of its thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand employees are women, the online travel agency came up

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Speaker 2: with its own solution to encourage women in the company

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Speaker 2: to have more children, and a part of that insteadive

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Speaker 2: is offering subsidies to help with the cost of freezing eggs,

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Speaker 2: which actually kind of smart to me, Yeah, because they

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Speaker 2: do talk about the fact that that timeframe that women

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Speaker 2: specifically use to get their career and all that stabilized

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Speaker 2: is that you know, I guess the critical time, but

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Speaker 2: it's a short time, so they can actually help them

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Speaker 2: pause that process. Maybe that will increase in the likelihood

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Speaker 2: that they will have.

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Speaker 3: Children later on. They were talking about this.

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Speaker 2: And they help by giving this money, which ranges from

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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars to three hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Again, kind of a smart idea.

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Speaker 2: I might have done that, to be honest, not now

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Speaker 2: with the IVF stuff in the US. No, but you know,

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Speaker 2: like this is like to me, it's one of the

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Speaker 2: smart plans.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw a flyer once at my university. I was like,

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Speaker 1: we'll pay you this much money to freeze your eggs.

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Speaker 1: And I thought about it, but then I was like, why.

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Speaker 2: I had people who said they want my eggs. Oh,

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Speaker 2: they would pay you for your eggs. Really, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know you.

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Speaker 3: Didn't get those?

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Speaker 2: Get those.

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Speaker 4: That's the only one.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: I saw a flyer. I don't recall any.

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Speaker 3: I got an email like oh okay, okay, Like I

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Speaker 3: was like what.

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Speaker 2: And I thought about it for a split seconds, not

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Speaker 2: gonna lie, like, but they wanted white babies, so didn't help. Well.

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Speaker 1: The government has tried a few tactics as well, going

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Speaker 1: back to China. According to Time Quote, Chinese government also

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Speaker 1: tried to introduce new policies to encourage couples to have

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Speaker 1: more children, enhance childcare, and improved housing facilities for families

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Speaker 1: with children. Recently, some academics have even proposed taxing couples

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Speaker 1: for having too few children while making access to abortion

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Speaker 1: and divorce harder and yeah, pay attention to the last part,

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Speaker 1: limiting access to divorce and abortions right.

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Speaker 2: So, the Japanese birth rate has also been greatly declining,

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Speaker 2: very similar.

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Speaker 3: To South Korea.

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Speaker 2: Many have chosen not to have children due to the

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Speaker 2: inequality and gender rights and opportunities, as well as the

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Speaker 2: overall financial burden of having a family.

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Speaker 1: According to financialpolicy dot com quote, today Japanese women on

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Speaker 1: average have just one point twenty six children, far below

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Speaker 1: the rate of two point one children per woman considered

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Speaker 1: by demographers as necessary to maintain a stable population. Up

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Speaker 1: to forty percent of adult Japanese women and fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of men will not have children in their lifetime according

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Speaker 1: to government estimates.

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Speaker 2: Again, much like South Korea, a lot of the reasons

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Speaker 2: boiled down to the cost of living, cost of education

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Speaker 2: for children, and according to the same foreign policy dot

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Speaker 2: com article, the cost for childcare alone in Japan for

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Speaker 2: two children is about half the earnings of a couple

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Speaker 2: who have full time incomes, and the wages have barely

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Speaker 2: been raised in the past thirty years, so significant amount

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Speaker 2: and just the overall lack of interest in being married,

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Speaker 2: although that could also have something to do with the affordability.

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Speaker 2: So here's another quote from Foreign policy dot com. It's

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Speaker 2: not just the desire to have children that's diminished. Surveys

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Speaker 2: point to waning interest in relationships and sex, especially among

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Speaker 2: young people. For Haruku Sakamato, a researcher at the Department

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Speaker 2: of Global Health Policies at the University of Tokyo, this

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Speaker 2: too is an economic story. Young people, she explained, simply

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Speaker 2: do not earn enough to plan for the long term,

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Speaker 2: making stable relationships seem far fetched. She says, while in

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Speaker 2: the past people have explained Japan's low sex and relationship

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Speaker 2: culture as steaming from interest in anime and fictional characters

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Speaker 2: that supplant interest in real life relationships, is actually an

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Speaker 2: economic issue. I just really like that they blamed enemy

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Speaker 2: on this. So and the article continues. Michika Uita Balmer,

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Speaker 2: a political scientist at Syracuse University in the US who

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Speaker 2: studies social isolation among Japanese youth, said many young Japanese

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Speaker 2: women would like to get buried, but they simply cannot

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Speaker 2: afford it. Survey data shows that young people don't have

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Speaker 2: the financial stability, necessarity build themselves as a viable partner.

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Speaker 2: The result is that people don't get married, and because

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Speaker 2: Japan has the lowest rate of children born outside of

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Speaker 2: marriage among developed countries, this also means they are unlikely

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Speaker 2: to have children. So in twenty thirteen, they had what

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Speaker 2: was considered women nomics policies, which quote promise to integrate

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Speaker 2: women into the workforce and propel them to high pain.

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Speaker 2: But the policy hasn't solved women's economic problems. So, like

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Speaker 2: many other nations, women were not only responsible for the house, home,

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Speaker 2: and children, but they also took on the financial responsitivety

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Speaker 2: abortion as well.

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Speaker 1: Here's another quote in the Age of Women Nomics, Japanese

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Speaker 1: women are caught in a double bind. High living costs

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Speaker 1: mean they are no longer expected to stop working once

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Speaker 1: they have children, yet because they still bear the brunt

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Speaker 1: of domestic work, even Japan's generous parental leap benefits, which

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Speaker 1: few men choose to take, are not enough to insulate

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Speaker 1: women from the pressure to drop out of the labor

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Speaker 1: force after having children. Even highly educated women who leave

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Speaker 1: the labor force after having children struggle to eventually reintegrate

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Speaker 1: back into it. Some fear that in case of divorce,

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Speaker 1: they'll be unable to stay afloat financially, in part because

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Speaker 1: of the stark ginger pay gap.

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Speaker 2: So the Japanese government has followed suit with many of

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Speaker 2: the East Asian countries. Late twenty twenty three, the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister are announced and estimated twenty two billion dollars to

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Speaker 2: childcare spending in order to help the birth rate, and

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Speaker 2: he plans to increase subsidized housing for families with children

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Speaker 2: and flexible work hours.

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Speaker 3: Of course, as we've.

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Speaker 2: Seen, money may not be the answer to all the problems.

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Speaker 2: But hey, I guess he's trying, I will say, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this in the sec better

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Speaker 2: than what the US is doing. And though we just

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Speaker 2: used again these three countries for the examples, the steady

658
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Speaker 2: decline of birth rate has been seen throughout the world.

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Speaker 2: Taiwan has spent over three billion dollars trying to encourage

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Speaker 2: people to have more children, including more parental leave and

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Speaker 2: large increases in salary. And in fact, one presidential candidate

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Speaker 2: offered a free bet if they have a child, not

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Speaker 2: gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: That could have worked on me too.

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Speaker 1: Then you have to pay for the pet I know, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, I don't know that he added money to that,

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Speaker 2: but I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, that's an interesting time.

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Speaker 1: I've got a pit for the it in and according

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Speaker 1: to the Vox article titled you can't even pay people

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Speaker 1: to have more kids quote, other countries have tried direct

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Speaker 1: payments to parents. Russia began offering a one time some

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Speaker 1: of about seven thousand dollars to families with more than

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Speaker 1: two kids, while Italy and Greece have experimented with per

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Speaker 1: child baby bonuses. In twenty nineteen, Hungary introduced a loan

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Speaker 1: of about thirty thousand dollars to newlyweds. If they have

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Speaker 1: three children, the loan is forgiven.

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Speaker 3: I actually saw something. I think it's Sweden.

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Speaker 2: Y'all correct me if I'm wrong that literally are trying

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Speaker 2: to bring people.

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Speaker 3: In with children.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, tooth and they'll give you and then you

683
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: have to live there for ten years and they'll give

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Speaker 2: you money and incentives.

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Speaker 1: I had a friend that moved to Sweden. I should

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Speaker 1: ask her, what's okay.

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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the s yoking countries. So

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Speaker 2: y'all tell me Switzerland Sweden? And yes, again, declining birth

689
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: rate includes the US. So we said this earlier. The US,

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Speaker 2: the birth rate of the population is declining. Here's a

691
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Speaker 2: quote from that same Fox article, which is mentioned in

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Speaker 2: the US, the birthrate has been falling since the Great Recession,

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Speaker 2: dropping almost twenty three percent between twenty seven and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. Today, the average American woman has about one

695
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Speaker 2: point six children, down down from three in nineteen fifty

696
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Speaker 2: and significantly below the replacement rate of two point one

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Speaker 2: children needed to sustain a stable population.

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Speaker 1: And as we mentioned previously, many people have decided to

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Speaker 1: wait to have children. And though the birth rate has

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Speaker 1: declined overall, the birth rate for people thirty five to

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Speaker 1: thirty nine has actually increased. According to Census dot Gov.

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Speaker 1: In the thirty year period, it has increased by sixty

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Speaker 1: seven percent. Here's a bit from cnn dot Com from

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Speaker 1: the article titled fertility rates dip People are having babies

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Speaker 1: later the stage of birth rates in the US. Uote

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Speaker 1: birth rates have declined in most states across the US

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Speaker 1: in recent years, while women are having babies at an

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Speaker 1: older age. According to new data released by the US

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Speaker 1: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and it continues, birth

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Speaker 1: rates among women in their late thirties and early forties

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Speaker 1: rose in the last decade, and the birth rate among

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Speaker 1: women over forty five also exceeded one birth per one

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Speaker 1: thousand population for the first time in more than a decade. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the teen birth rate dropped to a record blow in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, there were thirteen point five births for

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Speaker 1: every one thy teens ages fifteen to nineteen, down from

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Speaker 1: thirteen point nine in twenty twenty one. According to the

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Speaker 1: new CDC data.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen damn yeah, those numbers are so high, and I

720
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Speaker 2: feel like they are purposeful, especially now. And though there

721
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: was a small increase during the initial pandemic and lockdown,

722
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Speaker 2: nothing shows any actual signs of the race on the

723
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Speaker 2: on the incline. Here's a quote from the Scenn article.

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Speaker 2: Despite the short term plunge and comeback during the early

725
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Speaker 2: years of the COVID pandemic, the race have been consistently

726
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: trending down. Nearly three point seven million babies were born

727
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. According to the CDC analysis of

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Speaker 2: birth certificates, the overall fertility rate was fifty six point

729
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: one births per one thousand women ages fifteen to forty four,

730
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Speaker 2: holding relatively steady from the rate of fifty six point

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Speaker 2: three in twenty twenty one. After a sharp drop in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, birth rates rose in twenty twenty one, the

733
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Speaker 2: first increase since twenty fourteen, but the numbers still reflect

734
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Speaker 2: the declines that began before the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, of course, unlike the.

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Speaker 2: Other countries, US hasn't been publicly talking about the population

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Speaker 2: decline or even talking about policy changes directly related to

738
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Speaker 2: having more children, such as giving money to parents directly

739
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Speaker 2: helping childcare or the such. Although they did alter some

740
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: tax deductions for children, they made higher tax deductions and

741
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: gave a little more incentive, but I definitely did not

742
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Speaker 2: seem as it was about population control or population increase.

743
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Speaker 2: But much like how we mentioned China has been doing

744
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: more restricted when it comes to abortion access and divorce,

745
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Speaker 2: the US has implemented the same practices, but using alternative

746
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Speaker 2: languages for it. So during campaign runs for the Republican Party,

747
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Speaker 2: a couple of significant figures may have said the quiet

748
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Speaker 2: part out loud. In twenty twenty three, Nebraska Republican state

749
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Speaker 2: senator used an old racist theory to argue for the

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Speaker 2: ban on abortion. According to New republic dot com quote,

751
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Speaker 2: Senator Steve Erdman decided that the best argument in favor

752
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Speaker 2: of the band was quote the Great Replacement theory, which

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Speaker 2: the Southern Poverty Law Center defines as quote racist conspiracy

754
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Speaker 2: narrative that falsely asserts there's an active, ongoing and covert

755
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Speaker 2: effort to replace white populations in current white majority countries.

756
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Speaker 2: Our state populations have not grown except by those foreigners

757
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: who've moved here or refugees who've been placed here, Ermann

758
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: told the chamber.

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Speaker 3: And it continues.

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Speaker 2: Ermann also says that all of the aborted fetuses could

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Speaker 2: be working and filling some of those positions that we

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Speaker 2: have vacancies in response to jobs. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So before we continue, so here's a look about the

764
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Speaker 2: Here's a quick look at the Great Replacement theory from

765
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Speaker 2: a PBS article. Simply put, the conspiracy theory says there's

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Speaker 2: a plot to diminish the influence of white people. Believers

767
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: say this goal is being achieved both through the immigration

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Speaker 2: of non white people into societies that have largely been

769
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Speaker 2: dominated by white people, as well as through simple demographics,

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Speaker 2: with white people having lower birth rates than other populations.

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Speaker 1: And how does all of that equal to combating of

772
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Speaker 1: the declining birth rate. Here some more from Senator Erdmann.

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Speaker 1: According to Vice dot com, our state population has not

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Speaker 1: grown except by those foreigners who have moved. Here are

775
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Speaker 1: refugees who have been placed here. Why is that? It's

776
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Speaker 1: because we've killed two hundred thousand people. These are people

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Speaker 1: we've killed. Erdmann said during debate after lamenting that if

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Speaker 1: abortion had been illegal, that would have resulted to more

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Speaker 1: people who could be working and feeling some of those

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Speaker 1: positions that we have vacancy.

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Speaker 2: And he's not the only one to say these things

782
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Speaker 2: out loud. Seapak, Republican leader, also made a point to

783
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Speaker 2: use the same rhetoric. He said, if you say there's

784
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Speaker 2: a population problem in the country, but you're killing millions

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Speaker 2: of your own people to legalize abortion every year, if

786
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Speaker 2: that were to produce some of that problem is solved,

787
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Speaker 2: Schlap said, you have millions of people who can take

788
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Speaker 2: many of these jobs. How come no one brings that up.

789
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Speaker 2: If you're worried about this quote unquote replacement, why don't

790
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: we start there, start with allowing our own people to live.

791
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: And again, he's not the only one that Ohio representative

792
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: says something similar as well. This narrative has been around

793
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Speaker 2: for a very long time, as in fact, it's I've

794
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: actually been around also targeting the Jewish community as well.

795
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Speaker 2: But this has been a constant rhetoric. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about our episodes when it comes to tradwives,

797
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: our episodes when it comes to the Red Pill, our

798
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: episodes when it comes to religious trauma, they're all linked

799
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Speaker 2: in this same conversation with this white supremacist rhetoric that

800
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Speaker 2: we have to bring more white people in to bring

801
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: in power, that they've lost power, so therefore they need

802
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Speaker 2: to have babies, and that abortion ban is the key. Unfortunately,

803
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: these tactics have worked enough to sway what is happening

804
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Speaker 2: within the US, but politics alone is not what is

805
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 2: controlling this narrative. So are the corporations. The economic threat

806
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: of a population decline has become clear to many experts

807
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Speaker 2: around the world, but not all corporations have come to

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00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: this same understanding at this point, Like we said, trip

809
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: dot com and Japan has kind of figured it out.

810
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Speaker 2: They're like, okay, we need to help with this. There's

811
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Speaker 2: other companies that have been adding to that. We know

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Speaker 2: some of the companies here in the US, and usually

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Speaker 2: the smaller companies have been like, we'll give you a

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Speaker 2: longer maternity better maternity lell we have free childcare here,

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Speaker 2: but not everybody Amazon Prime example, could care less.

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Speaker 1: That was an accidental fun.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the corporations are seeking to strip even

819
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Speaker 2: more rights from their employees. Many many encouraging discrimination for

820
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Speaker 2: those who become pregnant, and in fact, recently federal courts

821
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Speaker 2: ruled that the Quote Pregnancy Workfairness Act was unenforceable against

822
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Speaker 2: the state government and it's in its agency which this

823
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Speaker 2: act protects accommodations for pregnant employees in the workplace and

824
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Speaker 2: allows workers to sue employers are failing to do so.

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Speaker 2: It prohibited employers from denying employment opportunities or forcing pregnant

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Speaker 2: workers to go on leave if alternative accommodations were possible.

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Speaker 2: And this is from the Texas Tribune dot org, which

828
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Speaker 2: is where all of this was coming out from. So

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Speaker 2: that is significant to know that that was on a

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Speaker 2: federal appeal.

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Speaker 3: And it's very.

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Speaker 2: Scary because not only are we being told you have

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Speaker 2: to be pregnant if you were to conceive, if you

834
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Speaker 2: were to get pregnant, do you have to remain pregnant?

835
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Speaker 2: And go and give birth, but that you have no

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Speaker 2: rights and they're not going to help you. We talked

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Speaker 2: of there are several articles that we talked about within

838
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Speaker 2: the great Replacement theory, and these senators who literally kept saying, oh,

839
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Speaker 2: social Security will help, which we know is dwind linked

840
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Speaker 2: very quickly and it is pretty much non existent for

841
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Speaker 2: any of us who want to retire at this point.

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Speaker 2: I believe the boomers were the last to be able

843
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Speaker 2: to really get anything from the Social Security administration. There's

844
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: so much that we have to look at when we

845
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Speaker 2: talk about this, because there it goes hand in hand

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Speaker 2: when we talk about the declining of birth rates and

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Speaker 2: as where again we're looking at other countries. We're looking

848
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Speaker 2: at European countries who have a little better incentives and

849
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Speaker 2: that kind of are willing to pay a lot more

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Speaker 2: and it's costly, as me and will say, to make

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Speaker 2: it better. There's many who won't do that here in

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Speaker 2: the US. And in fact, again they're doing the opposite

853
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: by kind of leaning towards China's policies, which is really

854
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: funny and ironic right now to me, with trying to

855
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Speaker 2: force a population boom, and it's working, and it's working

856
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: and that's what's scary. But again, this seems to be

857
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: have your cake and eat it to situation for both

858
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Speaker 2: the politicians and corporations. And I will say some activists

859
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: in the US have talked about similar tactics to those

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Speaker 2: in other countries. I know those the Sex strike during

861
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: a one point that was in talks talking about not

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Speaker 2: having children, talking about not getting married, talking about some

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Speaker 2: remaining single, which you know, I get it. But with

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Speaker 2: what is happening, and as rights continued to be stripped,

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Speaker 2: it will be likely that the decline will only continue.

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Speaker 3: Because people are fed up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have at least two friends who have pretty

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Speaker 1: much said the shop is closed, like they're just and

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Speaker 1: it breaks my heart because like, if you want to

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Speaker 1: have sex, if you want to have kids, it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: But they've been like, as long as this, what is

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Speaker 1: this is the situation, I'm not going to do it,

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Speaker 1: which feels very upset. It's very upsetting, but it also

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Speaker 1: feels kind of funny because I don't think that's what

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Speaker 1: that's what I've heard from multiple people.

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, right, cool, I will be interested to

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Speaker 2: see what happens in the next couple of years, because

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Speaker 2: we know that practancies due to rape has increased, which

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Speaker 2: is horrifying. But at the same time, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's just me, but I have getting more and

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Speaker 2: more disturbing pieces about children's deaths, and some of them

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Speaker 2: like literal I've just watched one, I guess the crime

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Speaker 2: thing where a mom was so flustered because she could

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Speaker 2: children's father to take care of them, and so gave

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Speaker 2: them the best day and then unfortunately murdered them. I

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Speaker 2: guess it's side and that's not the only case I've

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Speaker 2: seen as of recently, I've seen more and more. I

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Speaker 2: feel like this may honestly be a thing that we

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Speaker 2: see because.

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Speaker 3: Women are not seen.

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Speaker 2: Again, we've talked about the fact that the abortion band

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Speaker 2: is only going to kill women, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: of people that can estimate the route of desperation that

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Speaker 2: many people will have from these situations.

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Speaker 3: Again, same thing with.

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Speaker 2: Forced labor, force birth for those who have been molested

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Speaker 2: and raped. Similar similar to that conversation of the desperation

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Speaker 2: that you're not going to understand I'm horrified by what's happening.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think any of these tactics are going

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Speaker 2: to push to an increase in birth the way they

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Speaker 2: think it will.

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Speaker 1: Now. I don't think so either. There's so much, like

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Speaker 1: really fundamental systemic things that have to change. I believe

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Speaker 1: for people to.

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Speaker 2: Write again, hello, having childcare, having money to feed yourself,

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Speaker 2: having money to have a bedroom for your child, those

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Speaker 2: are all things that are dictating whether or not we

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Speaker 2: want to have children.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, seems pretty obvious, you would.

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Speaker 2: Think, But I feel like twenty twenty three South Korea

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Speaker 2: really like, oh, I guess we should talk to those

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Speaker 2: who can give birth what.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask them?

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should maybe we should ask them. And then

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Speaker 2: we have literally gone backwards in the US on how

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Speaker 2: to handle it again again the pretenses we're saving lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Well, well we have a lot of episodes

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Speaker 1: about this. As you said, Samantha, it is related to

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Speaker 1: a lot of other issues. This is another very intersectional thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Happy International Women's Day.

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