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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week on Beyond Content,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 3: we're going to be speaking with Hakeem Isler. Hakim's one

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Speaker 3: of those prolific guys that does so much that I

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Speaker 3: feel like a complete degenerate around him. He's a combat

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Speaker 3: veteran as a psychological Operations sergeant, Wilderness Survival instructor, martial artist,

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Speaker 3: a leading consciousness explorer. He's written five books, and he's

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Speaker 3: dedicated to advancing psychic and remote viewing practices through his

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Speaker 3: new conference that he created called the SI Games International.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Hakim today about how these

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Speaker 3: PSI abilities have grown to be so prominent in the

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Speaker 3: UFO space. Hey Hakim, how you doing, buddy, good to

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Speaker 3: see you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me on the show.

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Speaker 5: Really appreciate it, and thanks for that intro. That thing

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Speaker 5: is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: You have your fan pastors and believe all the stuff.

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Speaker 3: You're one of these guys that we could do a

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Speaker 3: twenty hour show on different stuff. You know, you were

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Speaker 3: just at Contact, which was really fantastic, and you know

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Speaker 3: when you were there, you did this amazing demonstration of

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Speaker 3: telepathy on stage with these two people, Delia and Lito.

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Speaker 3: If we get to the point of demonstrating to the

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Speaker 3: rest of the world that human telepathy is possible, that

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Speaker 3: it could perhaps sway people to be more open to

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Speaker 3: the idea of there being a non human intelligence. I

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Speaker 3: mean this in two waysk Number one, there are so

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Speaker 3: many accounts of encounters with NHI that include telepathy. Therefore,

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Speaker 3: showing that humans can do telepathy would lend credence to

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Speaker 3: these accounts. And also perhaps when people discover that something

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Speaker 3: then perhaps they would be more open to their consciousness

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Speaker 3: opening up to other extraordinary things being real as well,

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, I think that's.

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Speaker 5: A really deep and very layered.

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Speaker 4: Statement and question what we do know?

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Speaker 5: So people don't even have to guess anymore, because there's

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Speaker 5: been research that's done on this. So really it's just

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Speaker 5: a person who may not know the knowledge or the information,

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Speaker 5: they may not be informed. But the Gunsfeld the experiments

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Speaker 5: which were done proved that on some level that we

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Speaker 5: whether a person accepts that or accepts the research that's

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Speaker 5: that we're capable of that, and like you said, so well,

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Speaker 5: so eloquently the idea that non human intelligences as we

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Speaker 5: Anyone who's had an encounter almost always says the same thing.

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Speaker 5: They were talking to me, or there was something happening

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's beautiful that you said that. It's

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Speaker 3: Why do we always use our own little lens when

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Speaker 3: know it. Yeah, it'll just be like one of these

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's it's you know, me being a sy

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Speaker 5: But I still have you're right, and that in a sense,

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Speaker 5: I don't use this stuff, but I see I still

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Speaker 5: Yes, I definitely believe there's a connection. And the connection

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Speaker 5: and we know that siability, uh you know, is heavily

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Speaker 4: That's how these entities.

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Speaker 5: Are communicating and operating. They're operating through this consciousness. They're

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, when we come back, we're going to talk more

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Speaker 3: We're speaking with Hakei Missler. We were talking about the

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Speaker 3: tie in with sighabilities and the UFO connection. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to diverge for a second, Hakim, and just for a minute,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about your work as a psychological operations sergeant.

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Speaker 3: We've heard these different various stories over the years with

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Speaker 3: All of these guys have cleaned to intentionally muddy the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I definitely see how this could have happened

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Speaker 5: Even though people want to believe that let's get together

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Speaker 3: Ron speaking to Hakeem Missler Haqum. Did you see that

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Speaker 3: fake flyers of a fake flying saucer and he put

436
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: them in a bar near Area fifty one to get

437
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: people to get off the scent of the stealth fighter

438
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: and things. What do you think of all these claims?

439
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, definitely these guys the Wall in the

440
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 5: Wall Street Journal article where they basically said nothing to

441
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: see here, right, and we already.

442
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: Know they always say nothing.

443
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again that's because you're you're just denied, deny, deny,

444
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 5: and eventually hopefully people believe, believe, believe. What does that

445
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 5: do to us as the population? It segregates us, It

446
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 5: separates us. Right now you have the believers and then

447
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 5: the non believers, the people who want that normalcy bias

448
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 5: and that confirmation bias to continue, they will grab onto

449
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 5: those as anchors. And it's funny because that article just

450
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 5: seemed like it came out of nowhere, right. It wasn't

451
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 5: like like it was just like we're on our way

452
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 5: to disclosure, the government's behind it, everybody's talking about it,

453
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 5: blah blah blah, and bam, here's this article.

454
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 3: It's but that seems like it's bien design, like they're

455
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: trying to push back because we're starting to get make

456
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: some progress.

457
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: And they're trying to exactly exactly. Yeah.

458
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 5: So when you know, it's almost like I'm looking at

459
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 5: an argue. I'm looking at a debate from afar right

460
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 5: between these two folks and one saying yes, UFOs are

461
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 5: real and the others saying no, UFO aren't real because

462
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 5: I just feel that way. And the person who's saying yes,

463
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: they're starting to add all of this data and all

464
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 5: this research. Oh well this came out and we just

465
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 5: did this research, and what about this thing and that thing,

466
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 5: And then that person looking from afar sees that the

467
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 5: person who's four UFOs actually is winning the debate. You know,

468
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 5: they're like, oh man, it's a lot of information. So

469
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 5: they just decide, oh, I'm going to come up and

470
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to give a little bit of data for

471
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 5: the other guy.

472
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: The problem with that article to me was reading it

473
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: from you know, I have a very unbiased look at this.

474
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: I really try to stay right dead center in the middle.

475
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: And to me, the problem with that article is I

476
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: believe everything that they're saying is true. Yes, they probably

477
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: misled people, but that doesn't mean two things can't be true. Yes,

478
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: they put out this information that these things are that

479
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 3: to get people the stray, but that doesn't mean it's

480
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: not still happening. Commander David Fraverer and Pilot Ryan Graves

481
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: and other guys saying they see these unknown objects all

482
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: the time and all that's probably happening too. One does

483
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: not eliminate the others. My point, it's like, okay, yeah,

484
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: that's fine that you did that, but that does not

485
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: mean that none of this is true at all.

486
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, And so this vagueness can also be there

487
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 5: as well, where you just say just enough that it

488
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 5: leaves people in one direction on their own, all right.

489
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 5: And one of the things we used to say when

490
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 5: I was in is that you don't force a person

491
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 5: to believe something. You give them just enough they will

492
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 5: come up with the understanding you want them to come

493
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 5: up with on.

494
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: Their own, you know, because the.

495
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: Point and they're like, no, no, no I did this, he.

496
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: Didn't tell Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.

497
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

498
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you give them just enough that they are

499
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 5: going to come up with that conclusion. And then once

500
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 5: they come up with that conclusion, they'll defend that conclusion

501
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 5: because it was their conclusion. Nobody gave that to them.

502
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 5: But really you did it all along. It was by design.

503
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now you know, you just recalled something to my

504
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: brain here that you know I heard you speak once

505
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: about this this spy let's call him that. That who

506
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: you talk to? Who he said that he was even

507
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: fooled by people that he trusted that ended up being

508
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: double agents because he was an expert on this and

509
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 3: couldn't be fooled, and he got fooled. So then he said,

510
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: what about these non human intelligence experiences that people are

511
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: having and they say they're so peaceful, how do we

512
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 3: know they're not playing us either? Like Stephen Hawking said,

513
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: you know, be careful what you wish for. We shouldn't

514
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: be raising our hand because who knows who's going to

515
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 3: see us.

516
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm with you, I'm middle of the road and

517
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 5: Syop has really taught me to be that. It's quite

518
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 5: often it's not either or it's both. There's something in

519
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 5: between there. And so do you have the camp that

520
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: says is all light and love, there's no negativity, because

521
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 5: in order to evolve to that level, they have to

522
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 5: be a certain way. Going to what you were talking about,

523
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: what you mentioned at the beginning of the segment about

524
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 5: Jake Barber, he highlighted that one of the ways they

525
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 5: found to create some ionic assets, or people would become

526
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 5: psionic assets, is through fear and trauma and disassociation. But

527
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 5: we also know that love and compassion and you know,

528
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 5: is another way to it. And if you look at

529
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 5: that we have stories that tell us about that. We

530
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 5: have the Star Wars. If you're creating a person who

531
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 5: has these abilities solely through fear and trauma, then that

532
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 5: kind of sounds like you're creating a set. If you're

533
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 5: and if you're creating a person through understanding their emotions,

534
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: embracing their emotions but working with them in a healthy way,

535
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: you're creating a Jedi. Even in that world, we see

536
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 5: that dichotomy, that balance between the two, you know, like incredible.

537
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: How how Star Wars does really kind of play into

538
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: a lot of these things, even like psyops even the

539
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: whole idea of there being this force or whatever we're

540
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: all interconnected, you know, like the synchronicity thing is because

541
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 3: we're all connected supposedly.

542
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 5: Yes, so you know, here's my question to you, which

543
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: I know you're questioning me, but here's my question to you.

544
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 5: Are there these three possibilities. One possibility is that I'm

545
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 5: pre I'm writing let's say, George Lucas, I'm writing Star Wars.

546
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 5: One possibility is I'm precognating the future, right, like I

547
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: actually see the story, the future story, and I'm writing

548
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 5: it now. Another is that I'm connected with something on

549
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: some deep level, and I'm actually just it's just come

550
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: flowing out of me for whatever reason. And the third

551
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: possibility is is that something's influencing me to write the

552
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 5: story intention intentionally, Yeah, like musing me, because then if

553
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 5: you can muse me in the right direction and I

554
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 5: put that out there, then we know that it inspires.

555
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 5: It can inspire people a lot of the stuff we

556
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 5: have now. I mean, you and I both know when

557
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: you were sitting at home watching Star Trek and they're

558
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 5: touching the screen. It's got a little thing and you're

559
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 5: just like, well, how cool would it be if I

560
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 5: could just touch the screen on the computers were just

561
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 5: coming out to be a thing.

562
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: Back then, you know he had a watch where he

563
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: could FaceTime people, right, It's like, wow, imagine if that

564
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: were real?

565
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 5: Well yeah, and so did that just that a person

566
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 5: never have that encounter watching Dick Tracy and they just decide,

567
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 5: I'm just going to make a thing called the Apple

568
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: Watch where you can like talk to people. Or was

569
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 5: that did that give somebody an idea to say, oh,

570
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 5: you know what, we can put a camera in a

571
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 5: watch and have people talk to people, And that be

572
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 5: because of that story so.

573
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: Or Haken, does it tie back into your original thing

574
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: about the four minute mile. What we thought was impossible,

575
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: he thinks is possible because he saw it, you know

576
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: what I mean, it's.

577
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: Yes, lays down that wall.

578
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 5: And if our friends, if our NHI friends know this,

579
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 5: they could very well be you know, putting that into

580
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 5: musing that into people.

581
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: That could be.

582
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: It seems like you have this underlining belief that they're

583
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: almost guardian angels helping us. Like it just smells that

584
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: way when you talk about you again some of them.

585
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's possible, you know again, that could be

586
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: a false narrative and they could be in fact intentionally

587
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: wanting you to think that. Hey, I want to get

588
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: your thoughts on the Jake Barber James follower organization called Skywatcher.

589
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: You know, they have made some incredible claims. Man, you know,

590
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 3: his interview with Ross originally kind of broke psionics that

591
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: word into the community again and it's become so hot

592
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: right now. But I like this idea that they claim

593
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: to be doing this in a scientific way, applying scientific

594
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: rigor to this with optics, infrared, radar, all these different

595
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: ways to collect data on these aerial phenomenon. But they're

596
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: claiming that they have this dog whistle that may have

597
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: a very high rate of response with UAPs. What are

598
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: your thoughts about all this?

599
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: I think that that could be very possible.

600
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 5: You know, I'm a practicing yogi and their frequencies and

601
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 5: vibrations that have been talked about in ancient times that

602
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 5: allow us to do certain things, you know, or allow

603
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 5: Yogi's in a past to be able to walk through

604
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: solid matter, see things in different places, commune, dicate with

605
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 5: entities that are on other planes of existence. But it's

606
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: vibrational based and energy based, So I can understand that

607
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 5: if that's the case, it would make sense that we

608
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 5: can find a vibration or a frequency that would allow

609
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: us to reach out to these things. Now, if these

610
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 5: things are probes and they're designed to listen or feel

611
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: for certain disturbances, whether it be nuclear disturbances or energetic

612
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 5: disturbances which also could be caused by nuclear stuff, and

613
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 5: then they come to that to see what's going on

614
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 5: in the field that that location because they need to

615
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: record it and send back the information. That makes a

616
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: lot of sense to me, not necessarily that the thing,

617
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: the person itself is coming but if we have probes

618
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 5: out there, you know, and we hear certain things. I mean,

619
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: now we have certain sonar and things of that nature

620
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: that is always going on, and to see that if

621
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: we hear certain sound, it will draw the attention and

622
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 5: let us know, because that might be like a submarine,

623
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: an enemy submarine somewhere. And not that this thing is

624
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 5: looking at us for enemies, but it's just here surveying,

625
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: making sure that if something interesting happens, the higher beings

626
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: or the beings controlling it know about it. And so

627
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: if this dog whistle per se is sending out that

628
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: type of frequency or vibration and these things, these unmanned

629
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: monitors can come around and say and look to see, well,

630
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: where's this freak?

631
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: What's going on here? Is there a nuclear blast?

632
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: Is there?

633
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: You know, some rift in the energy?

634
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: An EI system is probably unmanned and it's probably responding,

635
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: which would make logical sense. We need to take a

636
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: break here, buddy. We'll we write back when we come back.

637
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: We're going to talk with Hakeem about some of his

638
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: personal experiences. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio

639
00:32:44,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are

640
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: back on beyond contact. We're speaking with Hakeem about psionics

641
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: and its ties to the UFO world. There does seem

642
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: to be some sort of conscious connection between our consciousness

643
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: and other realms or intelligences somehow, like an overlap of

644
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: a lot of these different disciplines, like people that talk

645
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: to people have passed on, people who have had a

646
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: contact the experience, people who have said they have an

647
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: experience here on earth, like with a gin or a

648
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: ghost or some other entity. Do you think our human

649
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: consciousness is being influenced by Nhi in some way.

650
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: That's a great question, and I think so. So I

651
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 5: have a theory, and I've talked about this with you

652
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Speaker 5: and other people. I explain consciousness. I say, let's think

653
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Speaker 5: of it as the ocean. So consciousness is the ocean,

654
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 5: and then we are humans on land. But we have

655
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Speaker 5: various ways that we can integrate or interface with the ocean.

656
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: Some people get in a boat and they go out

657
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 5: there and they go fishing, or they just hang out.

658
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: Some people go surfing. Some people on a boogie board.

659
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: Some people are on a paddle board. Some people are

660
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: on a jet ski. So all of those different modes

661
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 5: of interfacing with the ocean would be like the jet

662
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: ski is like remote viewing, and the paddle board is like,

663
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 5: you know, precognition, and so we all have these different ways,

664
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 5: and then there are really deep ways to get integrated

665
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 5: with the ocean, Like you could be a deep sea diver.

666
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 5: If you go deep sea diving, your experience is going

667
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 5: to be dramatically different than somebody who is on the

668
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 5: surface just on a paddle board. Right, you're going to

669
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 5: bump into a whale or you know, a seal down there,

670
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 5: are you going to see some starfish and you know,

671
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 5: And so the deeper you go, the more likely you

672
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 5: are to have these different encounters with the things that

673
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 5: are underneath the surface of the ocean, which in this

674
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: example is consciousness. So the deeper you go into consciousness,

675
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: the more you're likely to have these deeper experiences with

676
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 5: non human intelligences or spirits that have passed from this

677
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: plane to the next plane, you know, which in the

678
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 5: ocean example, may just be another diver underneath the water,

679
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 5: you know, and you're like, oh, crap, I didn't know

680
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 5: you were down here, you know, and white form down there,

681
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 5: Sure there are another life form down there. So you know,

682
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 5: we have all these different ways, and I mean we

683
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 5: still haven't conscious just like the ocean, we haven't really

684
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: scratched a surface on consciousness yet neither. You know, we've

685
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 5: only discovered like a couple percent of the ocean, like

686
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: five or ten or less, percent, you know, And it's

687
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 5: the same thing with consciousness. We're just on the frontiers

688
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 5: of that. When people come back with these experiences like

689
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 5: we find new species in the ocean, and where we're like,

690
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: whoa this thing is? Like down here, there's a snell

691
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: I read about recently that moves on the rim of

692
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 5: an underwater volcano that has somehow evolved to make its

693
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 5: shell pure iron. I'm not sure if you know about

694
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 5: that snell. It has an iron like iron as in

695
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 5: the metal right, iron shell, and that allows it to

696
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 5: not only survive to this volcano, but also survived the

697
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: pressure of underwater and all that stuff. A multitude of things.

698
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 5: So when these scientists and stuff are saying what we

699
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 5: can't and can't and what can't be possible, and we're discovering,

700
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: literally discovering things that we didn't know.

701
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Speaker 4: Every year, see.

702
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: Something like that example, right there is something that none

703
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: of us would believe is true, and yet it turns

704
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: out it is true. Yes, just like what you're talking

705
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: about with consciousness and sigh abilities, maybe these things are

706
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: in fact true. We just need to give it a

707
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: little more time and a little more research. Yes, you know,

708
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: for me, the Dehlia and Lido demonstration was really incredible

709
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: and has stayed with me. What is the strongest evidence

710
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: that you have personally witnessed of a sigh ability that

711
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: blew your mind.

712
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: I've had so many experiences.

713
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 5: Also, I'd say it was my first time really seeing

714
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 5: Paul Smith do a remote viewing. You know, he had

715
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: warned us, he said, hey, it's not one hundred percent,

716
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 5: so just be warned. And you know, it was during

717
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 5: one of our classes, and he hit it so on

718
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 5: the nose. I was just like, whoa, this is what's possible.

719
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 5: It gave me a little anxiety because I'm like, I'll

720
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 5: never be that good, you know, you know, And then

721
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 5: when I had my first really good remote viewing really

722
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 5: blew me away. I try to stay objective of my

723
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 5: subjective experiences, which again is part of my training, and

724
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: I had an outerbody experience at the Monroe Institute.

725
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: As you know, as you may know.

726
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: I'm an advisory board member there, but I have my experience.

727
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you are not that would be quicker?

728
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: I'm not a bad guy. There's so many thoughts.

729
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 5: So I had an encounter with something that told me

730
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 5: some very specific stuff about myself and in my future

731
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 5: self that has now several of them have come to pass,

732
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 5: and I was like, did I precognate that or was

733
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 5: there something else? And it became validated over the next

734
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 5: several weeks and it really blew me away.

735
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 4: Those are the two things.

736
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 5: Those are the three things that I found that were

737
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 5: really life changing for me. I did witness UAPs with

738
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 5: Chris Bledsoe in his backyard when we first became really

739
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: good friends and I became friends of his family. I

740
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 5: went over there a couple of times, and the first

741
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 5: one was way up in the sky and I was

742
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: trying to stay objective, but one of them was right there.

743
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 5: There was no way for it to be faked, or

744
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 5: it would have to be something extraordinary for it to

745
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 5: be fake, definitely like top class, you know, wizitry. For

746
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 5: that thing to not be what it was showing itself

747
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 5: to be to me at that particular time, so leaving

748
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 5: the door opened at maybe, but ultimately I didn't believe that.

749
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 5: I believed that it was something real, And so those

750
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 5: would be my experiences the one time with Paul, my

751
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: first really good remote viewing, my out of body experience

752
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: at the Monroe, and then this experience with the UAP

753
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 5: that's awesome.

754
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: What do you think it's going to take for the

755
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: rest of the world to come on board that there

756
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: is in fact something to all of this SI ability.

757
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 5: I think that's where we come in with the side games.

758
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: I think we don't need more research papers. The average

759
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 5: person in the world is not who's not excited or

760
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 5: doesn't really know about SI is not going to pick

761
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 5: up your scientific research paper and read it. There's such

762
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 5: heavy distrust with science anyway, that even if you came

763
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: out with twenty more papers and everybody came on board

764
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 5: and say yes, then there would be a massive amount

765
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 5: of the population that still would just be like, oh,

766
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 5: that's all harkwa washed scientists are no good anymore.

767
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: After COVID doesn't announced that we have alien beings right now,

768
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't think many people would believe it. I only think, yes,

769
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: it's incredible how the world is now.

770
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's like that show and that movie. Don't

771
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: look or look up?

772
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 3: What was it?

773
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: Don't look up?

774
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 5: Where you know you had this politician, these these all

775
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 5: this political battle and it was a comment coming to

776
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: destroy the planet. And they didn't want you to know

777
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 5: that the comment was coming because they wanted to avoid

778
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: like this mass you know, hysteria.

779
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: And so the.

780
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: Scientists was like, look, it's coming, it's coming, and then

781
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 5: the politicians just like, don't believe those crazies. It's not real.

782
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 5: Don't don't even look up at this guy because at

783
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 5: a certain point you could see the comet, but they

784
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 5: were just like, that's the that's a trick, you know,

785
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 5: don't even look up. And so the whole thing was

786
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 5: the normal lay people were like on going on there

787
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: their social media like don't look up, don't look.

788
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: You know that the headline that you know, we had

789
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: these horrible floods in Texas. Kids are dying, eighty two

790
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: are dead so far. It's a horrible thing. And she

791
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: said that, you know, the whole thing spake weather manipulation,

792
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: that they've killed people. I mean, it's it's remarkable how

793
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 3: the world is today.

794
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 5: So going back to your question, I think that what

795
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 5: it's really going to take is to make it personal

796
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 5: for people. It has to be integrated in people's household

797
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: because I'm more likely to believe my wife or my

798
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: best friend than i am some scientists that I have

799
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 5: no connection to or some politician.

800
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: So the more people we.

801
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: Can have that say that this is real and then

802
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 5: can demonstrate it and the different communities, the more likely

803
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: people are gonna accept it.

804
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 4: That's one.

805
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 5: Regardless of what your feelings were about COVID, when someone

806
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 5: that you were close to died of it, it changed

807
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 5: your perspective. You know, when when you were isolated and

808
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 5: you were just going off information, it was really easy

809
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: to have that debate and be really strong and hard like,

810
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: oh it's nothing happening or whatever, this all conspiracy. But

811
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: if you had somebody close to you pass on very often,

812
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: you probably flip your perspective or at least had more

813
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 5: compassion when somebody said that they were feeling a certain

814
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: way about it. So I think in this particular instance,

815
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 5: the way we get people to really understand it is

816
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 5: we have to make it accessible to the average person,

817
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: which is what we're trying to do with the side games,

818
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 5: where people can actually come and see what's happening, and

819
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 5: they can see these normal people being able to do it.

820
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 5: They can then experience it through some of the fun

821
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 5: interactive things that we're going to do with the people there.

822
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 5: And then they have mentors. They have people who have

823
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 5: been doing and researching this for thirty forty fifty years,

824
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 5: scientists and all different types of people from different walks

825
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 5: of life that are there to be able to give

826
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 5: you guidance and then you can learn, you can lean

827
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 5: into their background a little, you know, versus some random

828
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: scary person that comes out of the shadows and says, hey, Ron,

829
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 5: I'll take you and teach you this psychic ability.

830
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: And then we never see Ron again.

831
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: You know. I think it's a really great idea, man,

832
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: and I really really wish you all the best of

833
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: luck with the event. I think it's a great idea.

834
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: I think it's something that we need out there. Hey,

835
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the time to come on here today, man,

836
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: Thanks again, I really appreciate it.

837
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you.

838
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: Guys. You can find Hakeem at this at his event

839
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: the PSI Games International dot Com that's coming up on

840
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: August first. I will be there in person. Until then,

841
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CITD

842
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,880
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