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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: today in the show, I'm joined by Dan Johnson and

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Speaker 1: Spencer new Heart to break down everything you can be

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Speaker 1: doing during the summer to help kill buck this year,

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Speaker 1: including tree stand preps, summer scouting, trail cameras, creating access routes,

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Speaker 1: and more. All right, ladies and gentlemen, wake not wait. Welcome.

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Speaker 1: The word was welcome that I was trying to get their.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx. And if the beginning is any sign of

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Speaker 1: what's to come on this episode, you guys are in

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Speaker 1: for a real treat because today we're we're kind of

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Speaker 1: doing a throwback podcast. We don't have any big, special

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Speaker 1: fancy guest. It is myself, it is Dan on some

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Speaker 1: of nine Fingers, and it is Spencer new Hearth of

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Speaker 1: the Deep Voice clan. So that is who is with

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Speaker 1: you today, and we're gonna do kind of a rapid

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Speaker 1: fire deep dive one oh one how to all things

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Speaker 1: about the summer. How to kill a buck during the summer.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of how I'm framing this one because, as

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Speaker 1: I think both of you guys would test, in many cases,

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Speaker 1: the success that we have during the hunting season, a

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Speaker 1: lot of it isn't due to stuff we're actually doing

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Speaker 1: that day that we shoot the deer. It's usually in

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Speaker 1: many cases the result of lots and lots of work

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Speaker 1: that was done the off season, whether that was in

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Speaker 1: the spring or in the summer, or the postseason, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. There's a lot more that goes into a

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Speaker 1: hunt than the actual day of the thing. So today

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Speaker 1: I want to talk summer. We're halfway through summer, about

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Speaker 1: maybe a little past halfway through this summer. So this

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Speaker 1: is maybe like get off your button, get to work,

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Speaker 1: call to action for some people. If you haven't done

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Speaker 1: some of these things. I know I've got some stuff

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Speaker 1: still ado. Um So, Dan, is that a good plan

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Speaker 1: by you? Yeah? I'm down for whatever you would like?

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon and Spencer new Hearth is that a good

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Speaker 1: plan by you? Same answer? Good. So I'm thinking we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't just be we shouldn't beat around the bush. Dan.

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Speaker 1: If you've got weird family stories, feel free to insert

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Speaker 1: them as we go along, but we're gonna We're just

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Speaker 1: gonna jump right into it. So, speaking of funny family stories,

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Speaker 1: I'm in Montana and I was in the office yesterday

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Speaker 1: sitting across with Spencer, and Spencer said he's planning and

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Speaker 1: trying to keep from having kids for at least ten years. Dan,

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Speaker 1: at least ten years. He's trying to push it off.

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Speaker 1: He's getting Yeah, he's he's testing out some kind of

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Speaker 1: like non permanent um tube tying or whatever, sniff sniff

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Speaker 1: type stuff. Right, no comment, Would that be a recommendation

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Speaker 1: Dan is to wait like a decade? How are you? Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: you got at least you can look at it two ways, right,

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Speaker 1: You You can do have your kids now while you're

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Speaker 1: somewhat young. I mean, I turned, I'm almost forty, and

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Speaker 1: you can. My kids ain't gonna be out of the

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Speaker 1: house until I'm in my sixties, right, So say, what,

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Speaker 1: will you even make it that long? No? No, man,

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Speaker 1: I'll be an I see you wait before that. But um,

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Speaker 1: I did get a funny comment the other day that

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Speaker 1: was like, hey, Dan, really love your podcast. Uh, You're

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Speaker 1: the reason me and my wife have decided not to

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Speaker 1: have children. It's quite a legacy you're leaving, Dan, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know. So. Uh. If you could take one thing

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Speaker 1: away from our from our podcast that we do together,

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Speaker 1: it's that, Yeah, enjoy yourself. Now wait on kids, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe permanently or maybe like have a kid, or like

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Speaker 1: a brother. Do you have any brother? Is your sisters?

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Speaker 1: I do? Okay, man, just be just be like the

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Speaker 1: most kick ass uncle you can be. Yeah. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: am a really good uncle. I think that's why Mark

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Speaker 1: has me on this episode to bring a non dad perspective.

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Speaker 1: That is exactly times. That's exactly it. Even today Spencer

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Speaker 1: tried to get this. Dan. Spencer tried to tell me

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Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, no no. If I'm stuckled

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Speaker 1: just Dan, this thing's gonna flop so hard it's gonna

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Speaker 1: make a dead fish on the beach. Thanks. Thanks, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I mean, that was a real conversation.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna totally derail everything. Tree stands. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about tree stands. I think one of them really gonna

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Speaker 1: I still do, but I'm largely hunting the same properties

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Speaker 1: some people. But what has changed in recent years is

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Speaker 1: that last year South Dakota, where I primarily hunt, went

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Speaker 1: was more of my focus last year and what will

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Speaker 1: be more of my focus this summer. Do you take

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Speaker 1: or do you have stands you just keep up there

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Speaker 1: throughout the whole offseason. Uh. Probably about half of them

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Speaker 1: some of them I won't even touch. Like there's certain

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Speaker 1: very little trimming. And I just feel more comfortable not

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Speaker 1: kind of depends on what happened the year before. I'll

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Speaker 1: And then if I had learned anything the year before

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Speaker 1: that in line with the same thing you're doing Spencer

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Speaker 1: when you're doing it, Yeah, largely the same thing. Um

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Speaker 1: And at this point, if I am like hanging a

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Speaker 1: It's scary to think about some of the um ratchet

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Speaker 1: of that. I mean that buck last year in Michigan,

431
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: and then I had the biggest before I killed Frank.

432
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: This would have been the biggest buck I would have

433
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: ever had a shot at in Michigan, like a hundred

434
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, definitely mature hundred and fifty type class

435
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: buck that was at twenty five yards. And because I

436
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: didn't trim this little spot, I couldn't shoot that deer

437
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: and that just is still haunting me now. Um So

438
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: I tend to go a little bit the other way

439
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: than you, Dan I And this might be a mistake,

440
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's because I'm just so paranoid

441
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: about having other things like that happened in the past years.

442
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: I've had the same thing. I've leaned a little bit

443
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: more towards I want more space at the area of

444
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: the deer, So in the tree, I try to keep

445
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: as much stuff around me in the trees that possibly

446
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: can because of the cover. But once you get down

447
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: to the point where the deer is going to be,

448
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to clear as much as I can get

449
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: away with, um to give me at least a deer's

450
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: length of a body to shoot, Like, give me that

451
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, four ft. Maybe this is like a best

452
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: case scenario. But if I can get away with that

453
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: kind of gap where deer can walk through and I

454
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: could stop him, and if he doesn't stop right away,

455
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: I can still get a shot. I like that one.

456
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: I can. I have not personally seen deer react negatively

457
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: to that yet. But I'm doing that, you know, months

458
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: ahead of the season. I wouldn't do that during the season. Um.

459
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: If I was doing a running gun set up, I

460
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: would be super super minimal. Um. But if I'm determined

461
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: lanes in July or early August, I pushed it a

462
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: little bit, um Spencer, What what are you gonna say? Yeah,

463
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: just real quick, let me uh tell you an example

464
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: or a little story here about for five years I

465
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: sat in one tree, lots of good movement, lots of

466
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: good movement, and every year I trimmed all these branches

467
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: out of the way. I wish I started just just

468
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: uh to interrupt, but I just wish that when you

469
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: say for five years you set in one tree, I

470
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: wish that was true in like its purest form, Like

471
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: I wish you set nowhere but one tree for five years,

472
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: that that would be an amazing story, that would be Anyway,

473
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm in this one tree every year, I had to

474
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: stand in it. Every year, I had to stand in it.

475
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: And I trimmed all these lanes. Every year. I would

476
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: go in prepat new lanes, you know, I would all

477
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: the new growth that was around there, nice lane. And

478
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 1: what eventually happened was there was a clearing now, like

479
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: just a big gap in the woods, and the deer

480
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: started flanking that position, either coming towards the tree too

481
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: close and flanking behind or going way around around it. So, um,

482
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: I had to move like three trees down and kind

483
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: of start that process all over again because they were

484
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why. It's not like they

485
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: were getting spooked all the time coming through it, because

486
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: the deer would still come through it, but it was

487
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: like they didn't feel comfortable in this gap. And and

488
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I don't trim as

489
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: much anymore. Yeah, I worry about that, I know, or

490
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: I think I might have taken it too far. Last year, Um,

491
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: there was a spot that I had had a really

492
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: close call with holy Field that last year I was

493
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: hunting him and I had him at forty yards. But

494
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: because of because I was trying to be minimal the

495
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: first time I trimed lanes and it was a really thick,

496
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: nasty bedding area and the first year I had holy

497
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: Field at forty couldn't get a shot. So the next year,

498
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: which is last summer, I was like, I'm gonna get

499
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: a good clear shot there here because it's such a

500
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 1: good spot. There's so many deer that cruise there here

501
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: during the rut. I can't miss an opportunity here again.

502
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: And I think maybe it went overboard with it because

503
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: it was such a thick, nasty tangle of stuff that

504
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: to open it up, I mean, I had to trim

505
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: a ton of tiny little trees out of there, and

506
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: I cleared up like a several foot wide basically like

507
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: landing strip through that thicket. And you know, it was

508
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: great for a student lane now, But I had a

509
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: can I put a camera in there, and I put

510
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: it in there in like August or late July whenever

511
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: it was that I did that trimming. I hung the

512
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: camera and then I left and I did not come

513
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: back until I hunted it like November five or six

514
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: or something, and it was way worse as far as

515
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: activity than I had seen in the past and expected. Um,

516
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: that could have been happenstance, just coincidence that the activity

517
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: went down, or maybe it was because I had so

518
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: much activity so much more clear than they were used

519
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: to in there. Um, I might have might have pushed

520
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: it too far. So, Man, I feel it's a balancing act.

521
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: That's kind of hard to know exactly where that point

522
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: of no return is, but you do need to think

523
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: about it, Um, Spencer, What about you. My trimming strategy

524
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: has kind of changed over the years, Um, I sort

525
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: of learned that there's a fallacy with trimming a bunch

526
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: when you're hanging and doing scouting and doing your summer chores.

527
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: Because you sit up in a tree stand in June

528
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: or July and you're surrounded by all this green foliage

529
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: and stuff, and you're like, man, I got a lot

530
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: of trimming to be done here if I want to

531
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: get a shot out of this thing. And so you

532
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: sit there in your trimman, trimm and trim, and like,

533
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: by the time you go to sit there in late

534
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: October or early November. It is just way way wide open, yeah,

535
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: because all those leaves are now gone. So what I've

536
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: gone to over these last few years is I will

537
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: do some like very obvious trimming in the summer and

538
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: get rid of like the branches that most certainly have

539
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: to go. But besides that, I'll just keep a sop

540
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: with me and I'll trim kind of as I go

541
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: throughout the season, because there's some stands that I will hunt,

542
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, September through noven and so when I come

543
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: in September, I have to trim more than I would

544
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: in October. But if I have a stand that I

545
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: may haunt September through November, but I never do haunt

546
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: it in September, that is an advantage to me if

547
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: I come there in October and I didn't do all

548
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: that excess trimming for a September haunt. So that's why

549
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: at this point I kind of like to trim just

550
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: as I go throughout the year. So do you bring

551
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: a handsaw with you in season or do you bring

552
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: a telescoping pulsa just a handsoft Like I said, I'll

553
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: do the obvious stuff um with a pul saw. In

554
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: the summer, if there's anything that that certainly has to go,

555
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: or branches that I like otherwise wouldn't be able to

556
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: reach that seemed like they need to go. Um. But

557
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: basically throughout the rest of the year, I just keep

558
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: hands off with me and and trim on a need

559
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: to do basis, even during your running guns. Um. Yeah,

560
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: because it seems like I'm not returning to the same

561
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: spot very often with a running gun. Um. If I

562
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: have a place that I'm consistently going with a run

563
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: and gun, I'll end up just putting a permanent set

564
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: up there. What about you, Dan, What what saw system

565
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: are you taking in season? Well? You know, if I know,

566
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: if I know I'm going to uh a stand that's

567
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: already pre hung or pre cut or whatever I've been

568
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: there before earlier in the season, then I'm you know,

569
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I always have I always have a hands all in

570
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: my pocket or in my pack. But if I'm doing

571
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: a straight running gun, going in reading sign, read terrain,

572
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: playing the wind, it's gonna be a full pole saw

573
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: in my in my back with me. Yeah, I have

574
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: to have it. Yeah, I hate, I hate carrying them in,

575
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: but I'm usually fifty fifty on it if I know

576
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: it's an area that's like if I if I'm very

577
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: confident that it's an arroganst me relatively open, I'll try

578
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: to get away with just the hand saw. But six

579
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: times out of ten, you just you have to bring

580
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: a pulse on there, whether you to make sure you've

581
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: got out. But then again, I hate having to do

582
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: that in season. I try to, you know, being out there,

583
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: having to walk away from the tree to use a

584
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: pulsar or something like that that you know, that's a

585
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: disturbance I hate to make. But again balancing act. Right. So,

586
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: so with all that stuff being the case, then with

587
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: those pulsaws and whatnot, what about in the summer weft

588
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: after you trim those lanes, you've got limbs and stuff

589
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: sitting on the ground. Are you guys the type that

590
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: take all your limbs and move them off into a

591
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: pile or do you just kind of leave them strewn

592
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: about where they're at? Um? Are you worried about touching them?

593
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: Getting your scent on stuff? Like? Where do you stand with?

594
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: What do you do with everything after you cut it? Spencer? Um?

595
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: The question as far as like bea being a sense

596
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: of human being there that doesn't concern me at all

597
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: me touching them or or moving them around or anything

598
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: like that. Um. Lately, I've been doing this more where

599
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: I try to like make some use out of them.

600
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: And if there's two or three trails in the area,

601
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: I'll try to make one that's like impassable and at

602
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: a certain junction where a deer can split off and

603
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: either come by my tree stand or take the other

604
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: trail and and not come by my tree stand, I

605
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: basically try to cover that up anymore and and send

606
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: dear my way. So I've been doing that more. I

607
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: can't say that it's helped me, uh, but it gives

608
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: me a little more confidence. I feel better about where

609
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: my tree stand is if I'm then picking the kind

610
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: of between like a spotty and spot B and they

611
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: seem very similar. That's that's one thing that I like

612
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I've done that sometimes, I kind of

613
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: agree with you. I haven't. I don't make a rule

614
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: of it. I haven't seen it be you know, effective,

615
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: but I don't. I do know some situations where that helps. Um.

616
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: It happened this last September too, where it was like

617
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: a really funny kick in the nuts where I had

618
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: done that. I covered up one trail with all these

619
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: branches that I had just treamed trimmed that were full

620
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: of these nice green leaves. And then some deer come

621
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: down the trail and they go that way and they

622
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: stand there and they eat the leaves off of the

623
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: branches that I just trimmed, and it was some great

624
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: irony there. Yeah, that is funny. I actually, now you

625
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: bring that up. I had that happened last September as well. Um,

626
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: But it was like it wasn't a block situation. I

627
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to block a trail. I just tried to

628
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: move these limbs just out of the way, away from

629
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: where I thought the deer would because I didn't want

630
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: a deer to go over there and smell it where

631
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: I was wearing gloves. But still I was worried about that. Um.

632
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I think I even spread a little nose jam just

633
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: to try to make sure that they didn't smell it. Well,

634
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: first thing, the first group of deer does, They walk

635
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: in and like saw these fresh green leaves, and the

636
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: spot that usually weren't went right to it. So, yeah,

637
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: what about what about you, Dan, I don't really worry

638
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: about it, fair enough. I mean, I could sit here

639
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: and go into detail why, but it's like I don't

640
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: think about it. It's not I've seen him eat leaves

641
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: off of the trees that I've cut down, but I don't.

642
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't worry about it. So let's move

643
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: to something else that maybe you don't worry about or

644
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: maybe you do, which is do you do any access

645
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: or exit route prepping or trimming during the summer. I

646
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: remember an example last year where we talked about doing that. Maybe, um,

647
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: what about now? Do you try to prep a bunch

648
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: of stuff in the summer as far as how you're

649
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: going to get in and out a couple of your

650
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: core places or are you still just kind of figuring

651
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: out as you go. Yeah, it's I mean, for for

652
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: a run and gun, I would say that I'm always

653
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: thinking about it, always thinking about good tree stand uh placements.

654
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: It's like you think about the good tree stand locations first,

655
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not, it's it comes second, Like

656
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: the tree stand location is second. Access route to that

657
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: tree stand comes first, but you have to find that

658
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: good h tree stand first, if that makes sense. So

659
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: it's like one A and one B type of deal.

660
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: I in the past, I've I don't cut holes and

661
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: cut holes and fences, but cleared brush in fences, zip

662
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: tied the top two pieces of bob wire together so

663
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: I can cross it easier, you know, maybe take a

664
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: crick in. Um. Nothing that's actually too physical in cutting

665
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: and weed whacking and stuff like that. It's just taking

666
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: the long way around. Yeah, in past years, I've done

667
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. Um Like, there's on

668
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: the main property, the main Michigan spot a hunt, there's

669
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: a like a two track that I kind of try

670
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: to keep maintained that helps me get to the back

671
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: of the property that I try to mow and spraying occasion.

672
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: And then last year I opened up a tiny trail

673
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: through a thick piece of timber that allowed me to

674
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: circle around a food source with more distance than I

675
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: used to have, just because I knew from past history

676
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: that when I came back at night after a hunt,

677
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: that I was too use that food source from spooking deer.

678
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: So I shifted that. That was a good example of it.

679
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: This year on new property, I'm gonna try to clear

680
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: some ditches to use his access um where there's like

681
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: some nice low spots. I could walk in, but they've

682
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: got a bunch of dead limbs across it. So next

683
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: month or next couple of weeks, I'm gonna get in

684
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: there with a chainsaw and try to clear some spots

685
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: like that. Um because because yeah, I mean to your point, Dan,

686
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: it is a little bit of what comes first, the

687
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: chicken or the egg. But if you don't have good

688
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: access to a good tree stand, that good tree stand

689
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be shipped pretty quick, you know. Um. But

690
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Winky had an interesting perspective on this.

691
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I read about and I probably talked about this in

692
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: the past, but it just sticks with me. He wrote

693
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: once that he does it the opposite. He'll find like,

694
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: where are the best access routes I have in two

695
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: different portions of my property, and then he'll walk those

696
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: access routes until he finds good ambush locations along those

697
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: dynamite access spots because he believes that that's more important. Um,

698
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: So he kind of goes in reverse. I thought that

699
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: was interesting. I've not done that, but I definitely think

700
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: about it more. Spencer, do you do any summer access

701
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: or extra prep No, um, very very little, because most

702
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: of what I hunt is river bottom that has irregular flooding,

703
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: and so it's hard to plan for anything when a

704
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: flood may come in and just bring all kinds of

705
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: timber or wipe out trees or add new low spots

706
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: that weren't there before, So it's hard to plan for that.

707
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Some neighbors in the area used to do some like

708
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: massive massive work every offseason where they bring in a

709
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: skid loader and they'd open up areas and try to

710
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: improve bedding and do some stuff like that and remove

711
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: old trees. But they got so deterred from the flooding

712
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: that they just stopped doing it. They were motivated, um,

713
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: they had the equipment, they wanted to make the property better,

714
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: but the flooding that happened every year just erased all

715
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: of their work. And so I do very very little

716
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to anything like that. Interesting another thing

717
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: people do during the summer um that I and this

718
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of ties back to set up hunting locations. I've

719
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: tried to do a little bit more of this. I

720
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: can't say I'm doing it every stand that I set

721
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: before the season. Um, but I heard this referred to

722
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: by someone once as uh, oh gosh, I'm not gonna

723
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: forget what's calling sweeteners or calling calling cards. I don't know. Hell,

724
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: it is basically adding a little extra feature to a

725
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: hunting location to get a buck to stop. And that

726
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: the most common one that I've ever done is creating

727
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: a mock scrape or positioning a licking branch in front

728
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: of a tree stand. Not because you think that's going

729
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: to be the thing that draws a deer to your

730
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: tree stand is going to give you a shot, but

731
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: the situation, like if you have a stand set, or

732
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: if you know you're gonna hunt a spot and you

733
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: believe a buck is going to come through there for

734
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: one reason or another, if you position a mock scrape

735
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: in one of those shooting lanes that you have prepped,

736
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: you've got to maybe a one percent better chance that

737
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: if that buck does what you thought was gonna do,

738
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: now you can get him to stop right where you

739
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: want him to, because if he passes by, he might

740
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: see that and stop and give you the two seconds

741
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you need to get a shop. I do that a

742
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: little bit in the summer now, trying to do more

743
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: and more of that, just a little tiny thing to

744
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: help have either one of you guys tried that. No,

745
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I like to use scrapes around

746
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: my tree stands, but I guess it's not something that

747
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about in this summer very much. Something I might,

748
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, put in in early October, but not really

749
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: in July, right underneath the tree stand. See. I think

750
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: it's I think it's something that like opening up the scrape,

751
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna worry about that in July,

752
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: but making sure there's a licking branch in position so

753
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: that you know when you are there in October. I

754
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: think having those little things there I'm finding more and

755
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: more just gives me that, you know, just a little

756
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: tiny better chance. And I'm now finding especially locations that

757
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: have hunted in the past and are set up, like

758
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: we talked about these year after year spots every year

759
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: and trying to find the little thing I can tweak

760
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: to make it just a tiny bit better. So in

761
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: one spot I did that. In another spot, I put

762
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: in this a little bucket for a little tiny water hole. Again,

763
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: maybe this will get a deer to to stop for

764
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: three seconds and give me that shot. Um, if you've

765
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: got the time in the summer and you have these locations,

766
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna hunt, Um, and it's a good spot.

767
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad idea to try to

768
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: find just those little tiny things that you can add

769
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: to maybe give yourself a little bit better chance. Um,

770
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Since there's so many tiny little variables that go into

771
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: everyone in these hunts, I think anything you can do

772
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: to give yourself a little bit of an edge is

773
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: worth trying. Um. Have you thought about putting a high

774
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: fence around your property? That that sure, that sure would

775
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: get them, get them running by your stand consistently, that

776
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: would get them running by my stand? That that's outside

777
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: of my typical strategy, but it's an interesting one. Um.

778
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: That might be a conversation for another day from what

779
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: you've seen on that side. But are there anything else

780
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: that you guys are doing to preper location at all?

781
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Like we talked about hanging stands, German lanes, little sweetening

782
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: the deal a little bit, making sure there's a good

783
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: access route in and out, putting up ropes, putting up

784
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: gear hangers, anything else you do in the summer to

785
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: prep locations that I've missed. I think. I mean the

786
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: older I get, the more minimal everything becomes for me. Yeah, Um,

787
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: so would that bean the case, And what about scouting

788
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: stuff in the summer? Um, velvet we love seeing valvet bucks.

789
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: Do you guys spend much time or put any merit

790
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: in trying to see bucks in the fields in the summer? Man,

791
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: most of my uh, most of the fields that are

792
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: what I would consider food sources in the summer are

793
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: just so big and hard to get to that yeah,

794
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna be out there, but they're gonna be in

795
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: a low spot feeding that I can't see from the road. Um.

796
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Don't have the time to go do what I used

797
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: to do, and that would go, you know, creep into

798
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: a bean field with my buyos and sit there until

799
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: they would pop out. You know, I don't. I don't

800
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: do that anymore. Um. So you know my scouting these

801
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: days is just trail cameras mostly. Yeah, I man, I

802
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: feel I have the same issue myself. I love getting

803
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: out there and watching bucks in the summer. Like, that's

804
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: one of my very favorite things to do, is to

805
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: watch a bachelor group of valvel bucks come out into

806
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: a field and feed in the evening. Um, but it's

807
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: the time thing that's been the struggle for me. Like,

808
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: in the evenings are so family dedicated. Now that's hard

809
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: to get away and do that, but but I do

810
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: still try to a bit um at least when I'm

811
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: trying to tell Like you know, in past years, when

812
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: there's some specific bucks I was after, I was trying

813
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: to just determine, like is this deer still alive? I

814
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: would try to do drive around a lot I do

815
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: like deer drives, and try to just check all the

816
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: fields in that general area of the last half hour

817
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: daylight is as many nights as I could get away.

818
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not patterning a deer. I'm not getting

819
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: any intel is really gonna help me hunt that buck.

820
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: But I just want to know is that buck alive

821
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: and still in the general area, So that then all

822
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: the other work I might do, or the other digital

823
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: scouting or thinking and planning, at least I know if

824
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: that buck is around and will probably be back on

825
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: my property in the fall. Um So I do that.

826
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: UM Now, Spencer year in a little bit of a

827
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: unique situation because you now, well you used to live

828
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: in South Dakota, but South Dakota season opened up early

829
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: last year. You were in a position where you could

830
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: hunt right you know, basically at the very end of

831
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: the summer and being in September. Uh, where where are

832
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: you at these days with summer glassing? You know, Montana

833
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: has a September opener too, So are you putting some

834
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: some energy into that? Not specifically in Montana, No, because

835
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I would prefer to use that deer tag in Montana

836
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: that I have on a mule deer ideally I forget that.

837
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: But in South Dakota UM, previously I didn't. I was

838
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: not concerned about what the deer were really doing in

839
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: the summer. But because by the time archery season opened

840
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: in late September, all that information was no longer relevant

841
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: because it was deer were off their summer patterns for

842
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: the most part, the bachelory groups were broken up, they

843
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: were out of velvet um, food sources had changed. So

844
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I could put in all this effort in July and

845
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: August and September and you know, figure out what these

846
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: you're doing. But by the time late September came around,

847
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. And so last year when Southdakota moved

848
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: up to that September one opener, uh, it like gave

849
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: me a new energy for summer scouting. And once a

850
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: week I was watching bean fields or two times a

851
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: week sometimes and I had way more trail cameras up uh,

852
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you know, way more about what

853
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: are these deer doing in late July, because it finally

854
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: matters they might be doing the same thing and early September.

855
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: So I think that it largely depends on when your

856
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: available at haunt. If you're someone who maybe doesn't even

857
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: get out until you know it's just time for the

858
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: rod at the end of October beginning of November, summer

859
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: scouting seems pretty pointless unless you just want to like

860
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: identify some deer in the area, or if you are

861
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: hunting like that late September. Uh. Like I said, most

862
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: of that information doesn't matter that you're getting throughout the summer. Yeah,

863
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: very true, but it's it is a lot of fun.

864
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: And I will say for people that if you are

865
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: in that situation where you have the early September opener,

866
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: or even if not, if you like like me, if

867
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: you just want to know what Bucks made it, or

868
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: even you know another thing, for another reason I've done

869
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: this in the past is that when I'm hunting a

870
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: new area and just trying to get a better understanding

871
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: of what the quality buck is in the area. Like

872
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to find a spot to hunt in Ohio,

873
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: I've gone down and checked out different little regions and

874
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: then plan on having a night or two to just

875
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: do a deer drive. So I when I say a

876
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: deer drive, driving back roads, looking at fields, that just

877
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: can help give you a really good quick snapshot of

878
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: what are we, what's availing elbow around here, what quality

879
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: of dear, what age class of deer? I don't know

880
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: of a better quick way to do that. Um, So

881
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I would say a couple of things to keep in

882
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: mind if you want to do that. If you were

883
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: going to do the drive by thing, it's always better

884
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: if you see a group of bucks. Uh, don't slam

885
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: on your brakes. Lots of times I'll just keep driving

886
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: and then I'll turn around and just try to come

887
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: back and stop the vehicle just at the edge where

888
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: you can see them, but not like wide open views,

889
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: so they you know, see you and spook off. That's

890
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: one thing I've tried to do that helps just be

891
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: able to watch deer for a little bit longer time. Um.

892
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: Another thing is whether you're doing this from your vehicle

893
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: or if you're actually gonna sneak into a spot, um,

894
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: you know, hike in and try to watch a bean

895
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: field way in the back. Deer act the same way

896
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: in the summer as they do during hunting season, and

897
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: that cold fronts and stuff like that impact them still.

898
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: So if I've got like one night during the week

899
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: that I'm going to try to get out and do

900
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: one of these deer drives, or I'm gonna try to

901
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: sneak out and watch a bean field, I'll try to

902
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: time it if there's been a cold front coming through

903
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: or a little a rain or something. I'm gonna try

904
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: to be efficient with my time, and that's a good

905
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: way to do it. And then the last thing is

906
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna sneak back in glass of field, think

907
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: like you're hunting, So think about the wind, think about

908
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: your access. All the same stuff that will spook a

909
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: deer during the hunting season will spook a deer in

910
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: the summer. And if you're trying to see those deer

911
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: to learn something, uh, you know, spooking them with your

912
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: wind as you hike in is is obviously self defeating.

913
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: So just you know, pay a little attention to those

914
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: details even during the summer if you're trying to get

915
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: that information. Um So, all that said that gets to

916
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: trail cameras. I run trail cameras now in the summer

917
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: mostly just to see what bucks are in the area,

918
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: what bucks made it, And that's that's kind of it.

919
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: It's such a fun thing, and then I want to know, Okay,

920
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: what do I possibly have here to work with? But

921
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: I know that there's like a chance that a buck

922
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: that shows up on camera in the summer might not

923
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: be there than the fall. So I still run cameras

924
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: knowing that because it gives me like a ballpark idea. Um, Dan,

925
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: where's your head at there? Man? I think we talked

926
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: about this on a previous podcast. Man, um you know, summer,

927
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: I I just got my trail cameras out, like typically,

928
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: I like to have them out when I put them

929
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: out when I go turkey hunting because I just find

930
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: lots of enjoyment of watching antlers developed over a period

931
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: of time. That's I just get a real kick out

932
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: of that. But Mike Spencer said, the information that you're

933
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: getting in the summertime necessarily isn't what's gonna hold true

934
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: come the actual hunting season. So for me, trail cameras

935
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: in the summer are uh hey, look at cool velvet picks,

936
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: and okay, this buck has returned, and educating myself on

937
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: their characteristics to know if this buck is a shooter.

938
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: So for me, I can relate that back to this

939
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: past year, where all I had to do was take

940
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: a real quick, like half a second look at the deer.

941
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: I did fire his rack. He's a he's a five

942
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: year old shooter. And that's that's how you know. I

943
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: don't need to put my binos up. I don't need

944
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: to do any extra movement. I've identified him. He's now

945
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: it's not now goes to kill mode. So it's all

946
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: that education before. Yeah, that's a really good point. It's

947
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: a small thing, but I think that if you're able

948
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: to study pictures of a buck well ahead of time

949
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: and think through Okay, I think this buck's definitely mature

950
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, if you're able to make that

951
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: decision in August and then not have to worry about

952
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: your mind racing through all that on November one, when

953
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: the deer is approaching that you know, two seconds of

954
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: mind time can make a big difference. Um, So that

955
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: is a very good point. That summer pictures are worth

956
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: it for no other reason, just to try to have

957
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: that lined up. And even though maybe you know three

958
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: out of the four bucks maybe that you identify on

959
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: camera aren't going to baby be there during hunting season,

960
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: or two out of the four or whatever, I'd rather

961
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: know than not so that the situation arises, you're you're

962
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: ready for um, dude, do you do? You fall in

963
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: the same play spencer. Once South Dakota moved up to

964
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: this September one opener, then I was like totally invested

965
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: in summertime trail cameras. Whereas before that I didn't do

966
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: much of it. I enjoyed it, I loved seeing the

967
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: pictures and stuff, but like I said before, just that

968
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: much of it was relevant and it was never going

969
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: to like actually helped me kill a deer. But when

970
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: I moved out to that September one opener, um I

971
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: was all in. I had cameras out in mid June.

972
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: I started taking advantage of, you know, some of the

973
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: South Dakota laws that allowed baiting. For example, you can

974
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: bait up until August fifteenth, but you cannot bait, utilize,

975
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: or maintain, uh like any kind of mineral station after that.

976
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: So I would get these cameras up in in well

977
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: traveled areas and I started bait piles, and I maintain them,

978
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, up until early August, and then after that

979
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: I just shift the cameras a little bit and start

980
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: a mock scrape in that same area, just because the

981
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: deer might have been traveling through their but that mineral

982
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: like really brought them in front of the camera, whereas

983
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: otherwise they might have been five ft over too far

984
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: and you never would have seen them. So that's where

985
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: like that summertime baiting was awesome. You get three or

986
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: four deer in the same picture, and then once that ends, uh,

987
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: you start the scrapes and it kind of does the

988
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: same thing, but to a lesser degree certainly. So that's

989
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: how I started using my trail cameras in the summer,

990
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: once that information became a lot more relevant. Yeah, man,

991
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: once I understand, I support the baiting band in Michigan

992
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: to um, you know, because of disease concerns. But that's

993
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: the biggest downside for me with that is that I

994
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: miss being able to put mineral out in the summer

995
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: for camera pictures because that is such a great draw

996
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: to have some something I like that like salt, Lauer,

997
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: trophy rock or whatever. So good for getting summer pictures

998
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: without it much much more difficult. My summer pictures have

999
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: went down dramatically. But now what I try to do

1000
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: as far as positioning without bait without a mineral, is

1001
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: on the on the best food source I have on

1002
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: that property at the most popular access point into that

1003
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: into that food source. And then even though bucks aren't

1004
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: working scrapes in the summer, if there's a licking branch,

1005
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: many times I still get deer checking the licking branch.

1006
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: They'll walk past it stopped for a second. Um, So

1007
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: I put licking branches if they're not already, or I

1008
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: positioned my cameras with a licking branch in the frame

1009
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: on all my summer cameras too, And that is actually

1010
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: helping a little bit. Um without the ability to have bait,

1011
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: that's one tiny thing to give me like a five

1012
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: percent better chance to get a summer picture. Um. And

1013
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: then water sources are the one other thing. And I'm

1014
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: guessing you guys are the same way that like your

1015
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: favorite summertime location for a trio cameras on a field

1016
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: edge and that is where just like a little a

1017
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: little mineral pile goes a long long way. You're certainly

1018
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: not pulling in deer from like neighboring properties or anything

1019
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: dramatic like that, but you're pulling in a deer that

1020
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: was maybe going to stand two rows out in the

1021
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: corner or something. But now you're pulling him to the

1022
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: edge of the field and you're getting a picture. Uh,

1023
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get just way better inventory if you

1024
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: have the ability to do that. Dan, do you still

1025
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: put corn out in the summer or something? Uh? Mineral? Yeah, yeah,

1026
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: just a little bit way less than what I used to. Um.

1027
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: I used to put one bucket twice a summer, like

1028
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: lucky buck out. Now I'm putting maybe one bucket out

1029
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: per location for the entire summer. So I've kind of

1030
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: cut it, cut it almost in half. And just because like, uh,

1031
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: like you learned in school, a dot does a lot, man,

1032
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: They'll come to that They'll come to that location again

1033
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: and again and again, even though the actual product is

1034
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: dissolved and deteriorated. What does that mean? And what school

1035
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: did you learn? A dot is a lot? Dude? When

1036
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: you're using glue, right, a dot does a lot. And

1037
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: then because you know, when I was a kid, I

1038
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: was just like smashing the glue bottle down and glue

1039
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: would go all over the place, and I'd like just

1040
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: to glue an eyeball on a caterpillar. But now you

1041
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: just do a little dot and it does the same thing.

1042
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna use that in

1043
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: the future. Um, speaking of a little, there's a lot sometimes.

1044
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: What about how often you guys are checking those cameras

1045
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: in the summer. I know, when I first started running

1046
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: cameras a lot um, it was so exciting that I

1047
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: was going and checking them every week, even during the summer. Uh.

1048
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: Now I've drastically changed that too. Some cameras I don't

1049
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: only check once in the summer. Otherwise usually I do

1050
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: like a minimum of a month, Like I'm mostly putting

1051
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: cameras out, you know, early summer to midsummer, and then

1052
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: I'll check them at the end of the summer. Ah,

1053
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: or where are you there on that day? I think

1054
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: you're you're moving more that direction, aren't you. Yeah, man,

1055
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean last year I checked mine one time during

1056
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: the whole summer. Um, I had him up like first

1057
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: of June, checked them one time in late July early August,

1058
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: and then another time when I actually take them down

1059
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: off the mineral stations and move them to the hunting locations. Yeah,

1060
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: and that that's it, or twice, you know, spencer um

1061
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: in this summer. If I had a good access, like

1062
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: say it was on the edge of a bean field,

1063
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: and I could park, uh, you know, four yards away

1064
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: and walked to the edge of the bean field and

1065
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: never like step foot into any timber or any draws

1066
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I was doing it quite often,

1067
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: and I would have those mineral piles there. I'd carry

1068
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: with me, you know, a laptop and like a weed

1069
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: eater to knock down the new growth. If the access

1070
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: is easy and available, I was doing it quite often.

1071
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: But some of those that you actually get on like

1072
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: a travel route or something leading up into that being field,

1073
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: like you guys almost not check it the entire summer. Yeah,

1074
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: And I guess it also is different to if you're

1075
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: if you're hunting the early opener. I could see if

1076
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: if I had a September one or August thirty opening

1077
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: day in those weeks leading up to the season, I

1078
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: might be a little more interested in checking those cameras

1079
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: or repositioning them. Even if I'm if I'm actually using

1080
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: my summer cameras to try to pattern a deer um,

1081
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: that's a different story versus just trying to get you know,

1082
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: what bucks are here and and and then kind of

1083
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: move from that point, So different depending on what part

1084
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: of the country you're in. UM. One other thing that

1085
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: kind of is related to this whole trail camera topic

1086
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: of like where you're positioning your summer cameras. It's also

1087
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: another summer project that I do and you guys probably

1088
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: don't ever do this because you don't have spots um

1089
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: where you can do habit at work, at least from

1090
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: what I can remember ever hearing from you guys. There

1091
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: are some properties where I can plant food plots now

1092
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: and or have like fields that are open. So something

1093
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm doing in all my fields or food plots is

1094
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: putting in fake scrape trees in the summer, And I

1095
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: think that's worth explaining. You know, I've talked about in

1096
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: the past, but just again, if this is someone listening

1097
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: to this and this stuff is still new to them,

1098
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: this is a really helpful thing. If you have a

1099
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: spot that you're hunting where there's an opening or a

1100
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: food plot or a field or something, and you need again,

1101
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: this is another one of those little, little tiny one

1102
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: percent to percent help type things, a little sweetening up

1103
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: the deal. Basically, it's the same idea I talked about

1104
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: earlier where I'd like to have licking branches or mock

1105
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: scrapes near my tree stands. This is essentially putting a

1106
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: tree in an opening and making a mock scrape underneath it.

1107
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: So you just use post hole diggers dig a two

1108
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: ft three ft deep um hole, put you know, cut

1109
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: a tree limb down that you know looks like a

1110
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: small tree, or cut a small tree planted in that whole.

1111
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Bury it tight, so it's going to be firmly in

1112
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: the ground. And make sure you have a couple of

1113
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: branches positioned at about deer eye height level where they

1114
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: would naturally want to use that as a licking branch. Right,

1115
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: this overhanging branch over scrape. So I position that in

1116
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: the summer, even though it's August or something. I'll still

1117
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: kick up the ground underneath it, and then I'll make

1118
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: sure that there's a branch to its kind of snapped

1119
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: and leaned down over that kicked up dusty area, and

1120
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: right away, usually deer start hitting that even in the summer.

1121
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're scraping underneath it, but they're

1122
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: checking it out. And I know we've talked about this

1123
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: in the past two deer kind of like bass in

1124
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: a lake, right If you're trying to find bass in

1125
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: the lake, lots of times you're looking for structure, something

1126
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: out there that will draw fish to it. Dear the

1127
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: same way, if there's an opening and then there's one

1128
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: piece of structure in the middle of that opening, many

1129
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: times they're gonna be drawn to that little piece of

1130
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: cover to send check it, to see what's going on.

1131
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: Um if there's a scrape there, to check that. So

1132
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: anywhere now that I have these openings, I'm planting a

1133
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: mock scrape tree in it because it's gonna give me

1134
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: that little chance that it's gonna have a buck. Maybe

1135
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: there's a buck passing through the opening. This might get

1136
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: him to move five yards closer to me where I

1137
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: want him to be and to stop at that mock scrape.

1138
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that I oftentimes whenever

1139
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: I do that, I make sure there's a trail camera

1140
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: trained at that spot too, and for the last like

1141
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: four years I've been doing this, those are some of

1142
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: my very best trial camera locations. Whether it be summer

1143
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: or fall, it's very good. Um. Once you get to

1144
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: the fall time period, if I sneak in there to

1145
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: hunt or something, I will open up that scrape, you know,

1146
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: since they're typically not opening it up in the summer

1147
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: at all, But once you get into October, I'll open

1148
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: it up and then usually keep it going right from

1149
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: that point. Um. So that's a quick summer project that

1150
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm probably gonna be prepping one, two, three,

1151
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: four or five, I don't know, five or six of

1152
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: those this summer um. And i'd say the one thing

1153
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: I learned about that is that you don't want to

1154
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: get lazy as far as how deep you bury those.

1155
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: If you go to shallow with him, then bucks oftentimes

1156
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: will rub up on them, they'll hit them, they'll you know,

1157
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: rake their their antlers through the limbs, and lots of

1158
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: times they'll get knocked over. So dig them deep, burying

1159
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: them are good and tight, and make sure it's secure,

1160
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: and I think you'll be you'll be happy you did

1161
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: that in October and November when you watch a buck

1162
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: walk up to it and start tarant to shreds. So

1163
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: that's a random summer thing I do. Are there any

1164
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: other random summer things either one of you guys are

1165
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: doing or we kind of covered most of the projects

1166
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: that you guys are thinking about this time of year.

1167
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: Anything else spensor well? On that same note, uh, I

1168
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: like to use scrapes in the summer and like really

1169
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: early fall. Like most people I used to think of

1170
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: scrapes is just like in October thing they would start

1171
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: then that they would hit him then, and that is

1172
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: the only time that you know a scrape is useful.

1173
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: But I found this study a few years ago that

1174
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: Deer and Deer Hunting magazine covered and they looked at

1175
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: in enclosed deer population and they did this over four years.

1176
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: In the first year, they didn't put any scrapes out

1177
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: um and on September only one scrape had been observed

1178
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: that was started or used by those year. The next

1179
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: year they started some scrapes in very early September, and

1180
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: by September so the same date as their prior or,

1181
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: only one scrape was opened up. That year, there was

1182
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: thirty two different scrapes that were opened up either by

1183
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: deer themselves or that the researchers had started in the

1184
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: deer it hit. And when they started that first scrape

1185
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: on September six, within twenty four hours they had deer

1186
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: already hitting that scrape. And so it really opened up

1187
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: my eyes that if scrapes are present, deer at the

1188
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: very least are going to visit them, and you're going

1189
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: to get a picture of them. So it's something that

1190
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't think is going to help me necessarily kill

1191
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: a deer. But if I'm going into a property deep

1192
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: and I can't like carry mineral on my back and

1193
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: like carry a weed either to open up all this space, uh,

1194
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'll throw some like deer year in in

1195
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: my bag and I'll start a scrape in July or August.

1196
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: Uh if it's not a convenient place to to take

1197
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: mineral too, and those deer will visit. It has the

1198
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: same effect of you know, like pulling in some deep

1199
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not as dramatic as manerald. It's

1200
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: not pulling in deer from other properties that you otherwise

1201
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't see. But it will help you get some more

1202
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: pictures and help with him into Yeah, I definitely definitely

1203
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: seen the same thing. What about you, Dan? Any other

1204
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: random summer stuff not really just brownie points. Man, make

1205
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: sure the wife is taken care of so that when

1206
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: she you know, it just it never ceases to amaze

1207
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: me that hunting season is always this big sneak up

1208
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: surprise that happens every year and she knows it's not right.

1209
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same time every single year. But

1210
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: I have to make sure I put the brownie points

1211
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: in so that it kind of softens the blow. What

1212
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: are what are some examples, Dan, Just you know, take

1213
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: her out, make sure she has a couple of days,

1214
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, um throughout the you know, throughout the summer

1215
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: or whatever with no kids. You know, she ask her

1216
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: girls nights. I'm taking her to Nashville on a trip

1217
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: um in August, and then you know, I can ruin

1218
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: all of that in September, October, November, and in extreme cases,

1219
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: you do, like a California vineyards, right that that was

1220
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: an extreme, but it doesn't like for her, it doesn't

1221
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: for me. It was like, holy sh it, I just

1222
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: spent all this money on this trip for her. There's

1223
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: no it's not weighted. It all equals the same, right,

1224
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna wonder, was was the payoff for you

1225
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: in proportion to the cost that you put into it?

1226
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: Did you get what you're hoping you're gonna get out

1227
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: of that? Now? Between me and you, Mark and Spencer.

1228
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: Because I know my wife doesn't listen to this, I

1229
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: probably would have paid double just so I could go

1230
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: on my elk cut, you know what I mean. Like,

1231
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: but I bet I bet you about the cost instead.

1232
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny. Yeah, though it's it's a good point. Now.

1233
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 1: It is a good time to try to make sure

1234
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: you're ahead of the game as much stuff as possible,

1235
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: because we all know that the fall gets a little crazy. So, hey,

1236
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm going on to elk hunt. Oh really, yeah, we

1237
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: talked about it. Okay, Hey, I'm going on a meal

1238
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: deer hunt. Uh oh wait what? Uh yeah, we talked

1239
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, Okay, Hey it's November. I'll see you

1240
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: in two weeks. What um waited? When are you gonna

1241
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: be home? Okay? Well? God? And then you know she

1242
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: hasn't divorced me yet. Uh yeah, that's that's fun stuff.

1243
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: It definitely gets trickier with the kids. I'm beginning to

1244
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: understand that. Um, I think maybe we should wrap it

1245
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: up there. There's more stuff, you know. I know that

1246
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of archery stuff going on the

1247
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: summer for people. Hopefully, there's a lot of trail camera

1248
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about two weeks ago, Dan, people can

1249
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: refer back to that for simmer ideas as far as

1250
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: starting to analyze some annual pattern this is a good

1251
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: time to be thinking about those things for the future. Um.

1252
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of habitat stuff, a lot

1253
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: of like August is gonna be a whole lot of

1254
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: food plot time for me, and some various habitat projects. Um.

1255
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: But I think we can those are topics that maybe

1256
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: our our whole episodes on their own, So we'll cover

1257
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: that stuff here in the coming weeks. I got a

1258
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: closing though. You gotta closing, alright, So running through all

1259
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: my trail cameras throughout the rut Um in two eighteen

1260
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: and checking them and identifying them. Do you remember a

1261
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: buckeye named Spencer new Heart? Yes, okay, alright, So Spencer

1262
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: showed up a lot throughout the farm in two thousand

1263
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: and eighteen, and if he shows back up this year

1264
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: he will be probably number two on the hit list.

1265
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: And there's a good chance I try to kill you

1266
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: this year, but I hope you do because you have

1267
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: to return the favor because I killed you last December.

1268
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right as true. Lieutenant Dan got uh

1269
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: got hit last year, so hits so hard he dropped

1270
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: his antlers. So so yeah, Dan, the pressures on you

1271
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: to return it, keep us, keep us post on that.

1272
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: I would love to see this progress that the season

1273
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: and um mark the mark Kenyon Buck. That was an

1274
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: anti climatic ending. We never knew what happened. Hey you

1275
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: gotta sheds right, which is awesome? Yeah? Alright boy? How

1276
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: how hold on? How how big is Spencer Newarth? And

1277
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: so I haven't checked truke cameras yet? Right? If he

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: shows back up and let's say he puts on him

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01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: on minimum growth, uh, I would say maybe low one

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Speaker 1: sixties as a eleven wow, mm hmm. That's a hell

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01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: of a buck. How old? Uh see this year, I'm

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01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: gonna put him in the five year old range. Okay,

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01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: so if we were too, you know, try to take

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01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: how you you judge a buck his age, his antler class, um,

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01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: and then you kind of apply these these numbers to him.

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01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: If you were to take the same thing and try

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: to look at a human being and like try to

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01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: judge a human being his maturity and like what quality

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01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: rack he has. If we looked at the real Spencer

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Speaker 1: new Hearth, what kind of maturity level and rack quality

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: would you give Spencer? So I'm I just envisioned this deer, right,

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01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: if if we actually took Spencer and morphed him into

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: a deer, it would be a deer with like one

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: awesome side, right, just like a beautiful Bucky. You see

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01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: him coming broadside, You're like, oh my god, this buck

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01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: is awesome. But then he turns and you see he's

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01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: got this droopy little ball on the other side, like

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe wounded the previous year. What are you saying about

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01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: Spencer's balls? Oh not a testicles. I'm talking like a

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: drooping ball of antler on the other side. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be much kinder to you, Spencer than that.

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01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: That's a that's a good unique. You know, anybody kill

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: a ten pointer, right, I mean that that bucks got character. Well,

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: Dan Dan was a perfect five by five and he

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01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: was super wise. He end up going to huntes. But

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01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: by the end of the season he was limping. He

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: was skinny. You could see his ribs, so he was

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01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: in really rough shape by the by the end of

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01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: the rods. I'm guessing that's the same case for you.

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Speaker 1: It's just age age. I limped every day. Now, I

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01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: was gonna say that sounds like Dan after our I'll

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Speaker 1: count a few years ago. So I think it's a

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Speaker 1: perfect representation. And on that note, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good place. We can't we can't end there, Sorry, we can't. Well,

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Speaker 1: we didn't, we didn't more Mark Kenyan Spencer, What does

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon look like? M you're gonna have to tell me.

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't recall the I'm gonna call him like, uh no, no, no, no,

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01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: not the buck I named Mark Kenyan. If we're more

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: morphing author podcaster to your hunting god into a buck,

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01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: if we're gonnace him, we gotta we gotta talk about

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01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: what he looks like too, because we've talked about us. Yeah,

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01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: just like the shortest little whiskers, the shortest ones you've

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01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: ever seen. That's what I did would have He's he's

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: the two year old, three year old that comes in

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01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: every time you rattle, and then he walks away, and

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01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: you rattle again, and he blows back in, and then

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01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: you ratt up again, he blows back in. Yeah, that

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01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: sounds right. That does sound right. Maybe like a hundred

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Speaker 1: five Rookie of the Year, man rookie of the year,

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: and on that, on that we will close and and

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: deceiving deceivingly tall. Every time I see market Gain in person,

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: like son of a bit, he's still tall. I always

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: forget real walk neck on that, dear. I don't know

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: why people always say that, but it's it's a common thing.

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01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,520
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, wow, you're taller than I expected. Okay,

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: we really need to wrap this one up. So with that,

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Speaker 1: thank you for making the time, Spencer and Dan and uh,

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: let's shut it down. So that's it, hope. I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed this one and the hopefully some helpful

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Speaker 1: stuff in between, some weird random moments and stories. And

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious if there's any artists out there, if

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Speaker 1: any of you can take the way we've described our

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01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: three bucks that we would be if anyone can interpret

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: that visually and some cool artwork, I would be very

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: interested to see what that looks like. Uh and and

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01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: if I see something good, I would definitely share that

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: online through Instagram, Facebook. That's that's my challenge to any

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: of you artists out there. So thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: thanks for your time. Until next time, stay wired talk

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Speaker 1: m hmmmm