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Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast. The questions asked, movies have wenenuum?

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Speaker 1: Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands do? And

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Speaker 1: that start changing it? Come on, Welcome to the back Dodecasts. Yay,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin, and this

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Speaker 1: is our second Seattle live episode of the back Gas.

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Speaker 1: A lot of familiar faces. Thank you. I changed velvet

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Speaker 1: suits because I care and I do have many velvet suits.

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Speaker 1: Gotta get airtime for all of them on our audio podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the same outfit, so I'm in the same crocks,

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Speaker 1: so we choices were made. Welcome to the show. Yes, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Um clap if you are a listener of the Bechtel Cast,

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, is there anyone here who came with

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Speaker 1: a friend and who hasn't heard the show before? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we go one A shaking hand rose in the audience.

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Speaker 1: This is okay. So Caitlin and I when we go

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Speaker 1: to do live shows in various cities, we have so

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Speaker 1: far never done a movie that takes place in the city.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we always do movies that take place in

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Speaker 1: the absolute wrong city, and people are how you say,

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Speaker 1: angry about this movie? We did? This did Princess Diaries

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Speaker 1: in New York. That's a movie about San Francisco. Correct,

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Speaker 1: we did in San Francisco. We did the Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: takes place in a suburb of Chicago. I think the

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Speaker 1: easiest way to get us to do the correct movie

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Speaker 1: in the correct city is to put the name of

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Speaker 1: the city in the title, although we could have done

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Speaker 1: this movie be in New York. So it's Sleepless in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Is the name of the mover doing my rond of applause?

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Speaker 1: Who has seen the movie? And? Uh? Which which Seattle? Light?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Right? That's fun to say, Uh which Seattle?

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Speaker 1: I is the holdout and has not seen Sleepless in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: We've got some edgeloords and the crawd I love it

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Speaker 1: when you think about it, Caitlin, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm about to really polarize the audience. But when you

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Speaker 1: think about it canonically, is Seattle a spinoff of Boston? Um?

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Speaker 1: Because that's what I'm I don't mean like culturally, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: It's cannon. I see. That's just my hot take for

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Speaker 1: the evening. Well, I'm sure we'll talk about this. But

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Speaker 1: despite this movie taking place at least partly in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: this movie barely is about Seattle. Like it. She seems

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Speaker 1: to be mostly Sleepless in Baltimore in New York. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shall we bring our guests, Yes, we should. Our guest

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Speaker 1: is awesome. She is a local Seattle comedian. She runs

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Speaker 1: a weekly show at this very space, the Rendezvous called

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Speaker 1: Comedy Nest, and she recently opened for Cameron Esposito. Give

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Speaker 1: it up for Andy. I want Ceo, I want CEO,

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Speaker 1: want I packed it up. I want Ceo. Lookome Hi

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Speaker 1: to be here. To make it very you actually have

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Speaker 1: to pass a test to begin speaking. I thought you

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Speaker 1: were gonna like ask to play the piano, kind of

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Speaker 1: Billy Joel's situation. Suddenly pianos wheeled up and you're we're

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Speaker 1: going to see if you're on the pod. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Tell us about your

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Speaker 1: history and your relationship with Sleepless in Seattle. Historically, I've

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Speaker 1: lived in Baltimore as well as Seattle, and this biopic

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Speaker 1: one of the postcard she stares, Wow, Okay. And then

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Speaker 1: I worked on a ferry that went around that harbor,

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Speaker 1: posts that weren't really ever there, but they saw them

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Speaker 1: for the movie. Yeah, install them there in the movie.

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Speaker 1: You can see them. They look old timey and stuff.

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Speaker 1: When people have budgets, they just do like funked up

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Speaker 1: And also I'm better. Oh no, I had never seen

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Speaker 1: often posit theories as to what the movie might be about.

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Speaker 1: UM So I was like, Yeah, it's about how Meg

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Speaker 1: that movie. Otherwise, perfect piece of feminist text. What's your

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Speaker 1: history with Sleepless in Seattle? Um? I kept sort of

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Speaker 1: came to this movie in a in a bizarre reverse way.

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Speaker 1: roast of Nora Affront. Is this a normal part of

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Speaker 1: This movie is yikes. Yes, well let's jump in with

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Speaker 1: the recap. Okay, So this movie starts out basically the

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Speaker 1: months later, we are in Baltimore. We meet Annie, that's

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Speaker 1: Meg Ryan's character. Also Tom Hanks is His character's name

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Speaker 1: So Annie ak Meg Ryan has just gotten engaged to Walter.

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Speaker 1: he's into a roma therapy. Dear Lord, our bedroom is

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Speaker 1: then we're like, and that is sleepless in Seattle. It

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Speaker 1: ends in New York. Why couldn't they have chosen a

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00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: building in Seattle is a good question. Yea, the space Needle. Realistically,

424
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: this movie would have ended with Jonah being kidnapped and

425
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks living out the rest of his days wishing

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00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: he hadn't yelled at his son so much. This was

427
00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: more of a take into the situation than anything. But okay,

428
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: so here's the thing with this movie. It's an all

429
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: female reboot of The Stalking Trip. I think it's great. Yes,

430
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: it feels like a pretty standard you know, nineties rom com,

431
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, upon first glance, but with with a few exceptions.

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00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Which is that unlike a lot of movies where a

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00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: woman feels like she needs a man to feel complete

434
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: or other people are telling her that she needs a

435
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: man to be complete, this right, well, this movie is

436
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: about a boy telling a man that he needs a wife.

437
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: So that's like sort of a subversion of I mean,

438
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: in in in Jona's case, it's a cry for help

439
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: because he's like, my dad, can we get anyone else

440
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: in this house? Like that? Used to me what he's asking,

441
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: did y'all have his much fun with how that kid

442
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: is like his roommate and every Nora f from maybe

443
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: one of the Nora Front troupes that is so annoying

444
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: and it's like just a little wise child trope. I'm

445
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: so am like this kid would be sneezing on things,

446
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: he would be sticky, right. There are a number of

447
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: scenes where he's like, yeah, women scratch up men's backs

448
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: during sex. I've seen it on cable and then and

449
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: the message of that is like, whoa Nora f Fron

450
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: just roasted cable? You're like And then Tom Hanks is

451
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: like mumbling to himself and he's like, I've fun six, no,

452
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: seven women in college and then he sees it as

453
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Sanders right there and he's like, how long have you

454
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: been there? And he's like, I've heard you had sex

455
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: with seven women and he's like it was eight. Actually

456
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: I remembered another one. So you screaming about all the

457
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: women's college. Also, he has that a whole storyline is like, son,

458
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: get out of my way so I can fuck someone.

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00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: He's so annoyed with his son. He's like son, it's

460
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: almost like he could set up boundary. He makes no effort. Yeah,

461
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean to like, there's nothing good about this movie,

462
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: but also there's everything good about this So it's it's confusing,

463
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: but that it's like, we do get to see a

464
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: male character grieve to some extent. The way he grieves

465
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: is very toxic and mostly by yelling at his son um.

466
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: There is at least a grieving narrative. I feel like

467
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the time men are not like part

468
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: of word to believe the reason that women are attracted

469
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: to him is because he is grieving his wife at all. Yeah,

470
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: Like she's like, oh, I've got to be with him.

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00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: If I eyed, he'd be piste. So the real big subversion,

472
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: the actual huge subversion of this movie when it comes

473
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: to like, you know, the romcom genre, is that it's

474
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the woman stalking the man this time, which we've painted

475
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: at already. But do not stalk, Just do not unless

476
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: it's just on Instagram on a fake account that you

477
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: have and then stuck away. Baby sixty seven. I just

478
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: made like a quick list of all the things that

479
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: she does. She calls around to figure out how to

480
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: get in touch with the radio show. Then she calls

481
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: the radio show to get his phone number. She calls

482
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: his phone number, it gets his last name, does a

483
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: very old Google search slash like hacker thing to search

484
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: for him, figures out that he's an architect because computer

485
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: it right, and then hires someone to do the background

486
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: check and to take photos of him. Then she flies

487
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: to Seattle, shows up at his house. He's not there.

488
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: She follows him on his boat, lurks around nearby, you know,

489
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: watches him a day passes, does the exact same thing

490
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: where she follows him on a boat. So what I'm

491
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: hearing is she has a lot of agency, so it's

492
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: very independent. She's a very aspective character. Yeah, and and

493
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: and the subtext to why women are lusting after Tom Hanks,

494
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: a man who is truly doing the bare minimum of

495
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: grieving his wife, is that women. I mean, there's this

496
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: whole sub text to this movie that women would do

497
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: anything to be shown genuine love from a man. Because

498
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: it's like we see even though Meg Ryan's character is

499
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: receiving that for most of the movie, and then she's like, nah,

500
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: I want a man, I know, yells at his son. Right.

501
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: The idea is that like all women, no matter what

502
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: their circumstances are are just like desperate and like horny

503
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: and just like need a man that they'll like send

504
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: letters to a man they've never met. Something that has

505
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: brought up a lot in this movie, and I wanted

506
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: to give some hot context for us, is there is

507
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: a statistic that has cited several points in this movie,

508
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: uh saying that you know, it's easier to get killed

509
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: by a terrorist and get married after forty So does

510
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: anyone know the backstory for this? Oh? Mensa? All right?

511
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: So Nora, So this was a story that was published

512
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: in Newsweek magazine, where Nora Ffron worked for a long

513
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: time and successfully sued at one point because they were sexist,

514
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: which there is a terrible Amazon Prime series about if

515
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: anyone cares. But there was a cover story that I

516
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: believe is in the mid seventies published in Newsweek that

517
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: I think Nora Efron is trying to comment on the

518
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: in this movie because she hates Newsweek magazine because she

519
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: sued them. But they published a cover story about how

520
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: women over forty were fucked like that was what the

521
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: story was. It was all false statistics. There was like

522
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: Newsweek later had to retract the story, but even so

523
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: because the story came out and came out at a

524
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: time where apparently everyone was reading Newsweek, there were charts.

525
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: It was written by wait for it all men, and

526
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: it was saying that like single women after a certain

527
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: point in their life just basically become defunct. And there

528
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: was this chart that said, like, you're more likely for

529
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: this to happen, You're more likely for this to happen,

530
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: and the more likely to be killed by a terrorist

531
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: thing was the thing everyone remembered. So what Nora Fron

532
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: is trying to do is roast Newsweek Because Nora Fron,

533
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of hers, is notoriously very petty,

534
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: which is why I love her. If you watch if

535
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: you learn anything about her, and then watch one of

536
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: her movies, you're like, there she goes again. She can't

537
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: let anything go, which I can relate with um in

538
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: in any case. That's why that is like cited in

539
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: this script over and over, even though they don't make

540
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: that clear. It's weird because it's like we first hear

541
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: that statistics said by Meg Ryan's male co workers, right,

542
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: and then Megrian every time it said. The woman in

543
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: this scene says that's not true because they're supposed to

544
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: be Nora Ffron's pettiness, and they're right, it's not true.

545
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's a lot of there's a

546
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: few different male characters written into this script that are

547
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: like cartoonishly misogynist so that Meg Ryan will look chill,

548
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: which she's not. Yeah, I feel like the movie makes

549
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: an attempt to show any man who says this statistic

550
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: to show them to be stupid, stupid, you know, and

551
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: like Victor Garber, who Titanic Connection is so handsome, well,

552
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: like Rerida Wilson's character is like, that's not true. That's statistic,

553
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: it is not true, and then he's just like yeah, okay.

554
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: And my read was like the movie is trying to

555
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: make them seem like idiot assholes, but I don't know,

556
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: it felt like it wasn't because even so, like every

557
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: time it's employed, the female character is like, that's not true,

558
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: but she's still made out to look ridiculous because the

559
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: scene where Rita Wilson's like, that's not true, she's still

560
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: sobbing about what sounds like a very troubling movie. Right, Yeah, Yeah,

561
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: the men there may just seem like idiots, but at

562
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: the same time, the women in the movie are all

563
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: portrayed to be like, I need love from a man,

564
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: or more love from a man, because we've got Meg

565
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: Ryan's character, who is in a committed relationship that seems

566
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: to be caring, but then she's like, but he's not

567
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: good enough, and I need more romance from God. The

568
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: in most Nora Ron movies, her vibe is very much like,

569
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to make men and women equally irrational and

570
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: neurotic and impossible to understand their rationale for everything, And

571
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: that's true. Equality is everyone's out of their minds. That's true.

572
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: Everyone's yelling at their sun. Just Tom Hanks is yelling

573
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: at his son. Okay, he's since fence time yelling at hair.

574
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: It suns a roommate. Son is not his son. It's

575
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: not his forty son is forty. They're like sitting in

576
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: an egg shaped you're listening to the Beatles back courts.

577
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: Do you like glance over most of the things that

578
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: like a fifty year old would do with the person

579
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: he met from a record store, because that's a I

580
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 1: do like that Jonah's best friend is a girl, because

581
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: I feel like there's not that much representation on screen

582
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: of like you know, a young boy and young girl

583
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: being friends and she and she also is like smart

584
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: and you know, although she also sobs at this this

585
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: troubling movie, she's she's a hacker as well. Yeah, where

586
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: she and she knows how to get the tickets. She's

587
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: basically like ninety three StubHub like she knows how to

588
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: get the tickets and how to get him on the plane,

589
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: and she sets up the whole itinerary and then she's like, okay,

590
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: time to die probably like and then she withholds information

591
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: about where he is so that he certainly does. But

592
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: the movie has a happy ending. One of the big

593
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: things I noticed about this movie is that the characters

594
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: within Sleepless in Seattle are very influenced by other media

595
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: and other movies. And you know, the carry Grant version

596
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: of a fair Remember gets referenced a lot. Annie says

597
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: something like, you know, she's watching it and she's like,

598
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: those were the days when people knew how to be

599
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: in love. And Rosier Donald's like, you're you're crazy. It's

600
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: a movie. Like that's your problem. You don't want to

601
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: be in love. You want to be in love in

602
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: a movie. But this movie Sleep listens Seattle is still

603
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: it's like the exact same thing. It's still like a

604
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: romance movie where you're all we're all tricked into thinking

605
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: that love is real watching this dark Caitlin, Oh my god,

606
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: so unfair to Remember? I did it deep dive on

607
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: So when A Fair to Remember is an important part

608
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: of this movie. It's like where the construct of the empire,

609
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: state building and the Valentine state comes from. But also

610
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: like it turns out there's a lot of stuff that's

611
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: from the movie, including like somebody being creepy and taking

612
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: pictures of them. It doesn't pass the back tail test.

613
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: Surprise from doesn't pass the backdel test, and it's made.

614
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: It's actually a remake of another movie called Love Affair

615
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: thirty nine. Okay, so we got it's a star is

616
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: born basically just that he's remaking it. But here's the

617
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: important part. So the important part is in the movie,

618
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: the women to cry over it, and then the men

619
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: mock the women for crying over the movie and A

620
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Fair to Remember. I get teary eyed and fake upset

621
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: about the movie. Dirty dozen. Yes, So I take hormones

622
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: and there becomes a period between my dosages of hormones

623
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: when I have the most amount of testosterone. So I'm

624
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: manned up. I had a beer, I watched football, I

625
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: ate a pizza. Then I watched Dirty Dusn't and it

626
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: was all right, yeah, this is gonna be another's chuck.

627
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't pass to me. I know it doesn't. Not

628
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 1: all women. The longest a woman's on screen is someone

629
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: getting stabbed. Cool, cool, cool, you know, feminist text. But

630
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: then to try and again with a hypothesis. I had

631
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: my dosage of estrogen, and then I watched an Affair

632
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: to Remember, okay, and I think I timed it wrong.

633
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: It just like put me to sleep. It was just

634
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: there's a couple kind of there's a couple like musical numbers.

635
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: There's musical numbers and all the other Affair to Remember

636
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: remakes and it's quasi racist. But the only other thing

637
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: that you know is there's another remake of an Affair

638
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: to Remember that's in Indian one. So there's a Ballywood

639
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: version of an Affair to Remember called Man and that

640
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: was three hours long. I watched that one sober. It

641
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: has four dance numbers. All good, it passed the back.

642
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: But then then I have a new test, which is

643
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: finding the movies that are three hours long but still

644
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: somehow don't pass the back like there are so there

645
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: are more than a few. But I was, yeah, that's

646
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: so that was my research. Oh my god, thank you

647
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: so and a fair Remember did not make you cry

648
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: like it does all of the women in this movie.

649
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, I mistimed it because I ended up like

650
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: watching My roommates were watching like Stephen Universe the next day,

651
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: and I was like in tears, like I was in

652
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: I get in tears over the most ridiculous things, like

653
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: when I have a head full of Astarton, thank you

654
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: for the steep dive that you have. This this is why,

655
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: this is why this didn't help you at all. No,

656
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: this is this is very good context for the conversation

657
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna have is content content content. I loved it.

658
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: I just don't understand in movies so often that are

659
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: like referencing older movies, they kind of keep continually saying

660
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: like this is when love was real, back when women

661
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: couldn't vote, Like they're like, it's like we see all

662
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: these female characters longing for a time when they had

663
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: less rites, and and then this movie kind of reinforces

664
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: the idea that like, there are certain movies that are

665
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: women's movies, and there are certain movies the guys movies,

666
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: because like the women are all crying over, including like

667
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Cabby Hoffman are crying over and a fair to remember,

668
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: the men are making fun of them. They're saying dirty

669
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: doesen't is what I like to watch, Like dirty Doesn't?

670
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Incoming my Name is Victor Garber. It was like Victor

671
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Garber is this is the only role I've ever seen him?

672
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, how could you? Like?

673
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: He legally blonde? What he's hot in the movie though,

674
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: it's like he's not, so I forgive anything. Um. In

675
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: this movie he was wearing an outfit that no I was.

676
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: I was like, I could take your leave this look,

677
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: and he was being horrible. So I did like the

678
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: constant acronyms from the kids, like h why didn't that stick?

679
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: And then there's the weird part where like Jonah is

680
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: talking about reincarnation and the possibility reincarnation and how he

681
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: could be reincarnated from another another plane, like this kid

682
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: is on mushrooms. He's listening to Penles records backwards and

683
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: talking about reincarnation. It's it's probably that we like find

684
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: out that he's thirty six and adopted and we're just

685
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: seeing him from an outside person. One more thing where

686
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: there is a character is influenced by movie is Sam

687
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: talks about fatal Attraction and how it scared the ship

688
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: out of him. He's like scared the shot out of

689
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: me and every man in America, and he cites that

690
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: as a reason to not go and meet Annie in

691
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: New York City, which doesn't make sense because it has

692
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: nothing to do with fatal attraction. And you can literally

693
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: it was just so dumb of like a line that

694
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: it's like remember that movie that's semi recent, and so

695
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: the movie practically like pauses for laughs. Everyone could be

696
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: like fatal attraction, women who want careers are scary, like um,

697
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: but it has nothing to do with fatal attraction. It's

698
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: the same punchline that's like this is at a time

699
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: when the crying game is still used as a punch

700
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: line for reveal about a trans Yeah, like this is

701
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: this is a big time like Craig game and like

702
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: we're supposed to laugh. There were so many it was like, yeah,

703
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: there were so many like transplanic movies from the like uh,

704
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: silence of the Lambs, and then earlier was Sleepaway Camp.

705
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: Like there's a line where Rosie O'Donnell says the falling

706
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: the guy could be a crackhead, a transvestay. Yeah, that'd

707
00:49:53,480 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: be trouble. Oh no, there's more work to do. Yeah.

708
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: This is still in the middle of like trans women

709
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: are dangerous. This is like the hot part of the nineties. Yeah,

710
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: we're now we're in danger. How progressive can we talk

711
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: about the map graphic that seems to happen. It's like

712
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: you can go to the you can go to the

713
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: bathroom and then come back. I know it's still going across.

714
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: I like I think that that was like, first of all,

715
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: this movie, it does take place in too many things,

716
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: so I found it helpful. Um, and I kind of

717
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: like when movies are like, let's assume everyone seeing this

718
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: movie is an absolute idiot and they like can't remember

719
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: that because I am that viewer and it was helpful

720
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: for me. I don't know how how worth it is

721
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: to talk about this, but there is discussion of like

722
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: the changing landscape of dating that the Sam character has

723
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: to deal with, because like Tom Hanks and Rob Brenner's

724
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: characters are talking about you know, like Sam's got to

725
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: get back out there. Boys are getting some bruise, and

726
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: they're talking about it's there is a moment where we

727
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: we alluded to this earlier, but they talk about Tom

728
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Hanks's but and I feel like a lot of movies would,

729
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: like especially from this era, would have taken that opportunity

730
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: to do like no homo, I don't know if you're

731
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: attractive or not, like but Rob Briners like, I think

732
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: it's a good butt and say thanks. I thought that

733
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: was genuinely cute. Even upon rewatching, I thought it was

734
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: very cute. It was like, all right, you get me right,

735
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: But then Rob Brener is like, well, nowadays you split

736
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: the check with your day. And then Sam's like, I

737
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: don't think I could ever let a woman pay for dinner.

738
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: So he is not a feminist icon. But also if

739
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: a man is like that, like take his money you like,

740
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: so like if a guy gets all fucking scary white

741
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: and I was like no, but Tom I was like,

742
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: all right, man, I will get more like dipshit. And

743
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: then he works up the nerve to call Victoria, who

744
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: is called a hoe in this movie, like time like

745
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: treated so terrible. She did nothing wrong. No, she did

746
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: is enjoy herself. She just giggled here and there when

747
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks made a goof It's it's the same like treatment.

748
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: If you like go back and watch an episode at Steinfeld,

749
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: You're like, that person just has one thing that makes

750
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: them quirky and they're exaggerate so much as a reason

751
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: to like break up with that. Yeah, And that's like

752
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: one of the things that I saw that Tom Hanks

753
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: and Meg Ryan's character actually had in common is that

754
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: they would write off what seems like a positive relationship

755
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: based on one thing such as laughing or allergies. Yeah,

756
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they deserve each other. They're horrible. They're

757
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: both basically George Costanza. Yes, like I'm fine sleeping in

758
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: a room with a humidifier. That's kind, that can be

759
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: rather nice. Who doesn't like a rainforest? Yeah? If I

760
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: feel I feel for Victoria in this movie, because she

761
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: truly seems like she really likes him. For quite some time,

762
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: it seems like he likes her as well. But it's

763
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: like Jonah just goes rogue, like he's just he hates her.

764
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: It is so unclear. He just is like, no, I

765
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: want scary lady. Now and like he just goes totally rogue.

766
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: He's on mushrooms. Then the kid goes full in so

767
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: because then whenever he does work up the nerve to

768
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: call Victoria and like ask her out that phone conversation

769
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: we only hear sam side of it, but it's clear

770
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: that like she's calling all the shots, like she's deciding

771
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: where to go to dinner, what time they're gonna go,

772
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: they're going to meet there, rather than like him picking

773
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: her up, and like her being just a decisive woman

774
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: who knows what she wants is framed by the movie

775
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: is being like, oh, no, she's scary and weird, so

776
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: I didn't like to but she Yeah, It's like she's

777
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: truly just out here trying to have a job in

778
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: a relationship. Okay, leave Victoria alone. And she says like,

779
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you called me. I thought night you

780
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: were never going to call. And it's like, I call him.

781
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: I hope she and Bill Pullman met each other, because

782
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: that's a lovely story, isn't me? Or is Bill Pullman

783
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: looked like face from the A team for most of them?

784
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know? I this is peek Bill Pullman

785
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: for metely. I mean, he's firing on all cylinders here.

786
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: He's about to reach week Bill Pullman, which canonically is

787
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: Daddy and Casper, that is he his character. I it

788
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: sucks because he truly did nothing wrong, but it's just

789
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: like any I don't know. In some ways, I feel

790
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: like it's punishing him for any sort of gentleness and

791
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: like making out gentleness and a man to be emasculating

792
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: and a weakness. And something that Meg Ryan seems to

793
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: find completely repulsive is that when he is affectionate towards her,

794
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, and she gets in the closet with

795
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: her radio and or you know, the fact that he

796
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: has any illness makes her you know, and and I

797
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's just so bizarre the way this

798
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: character is treated. But Victoria's treated much the same way

799
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: of like she's doing nothing wrong. She seems to be

800
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: invested in the relationship, and they're just both treated like dogshit.

801
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 1: But the thing that Bill Pullman's character is that scene

802
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: at the end where Meg Ryan, can you imagine someone

803
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: you are about to marry? Sits you down and says, okay,

804
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: So there's this radio show on Valentine's day. It's literally

805
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: like if someone in this audience, like if there's a

806
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: couple here who's about to get married, and then one

807
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: of you sat the other one down, and it was like,

808
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: so there's this podcast called the Backdoorcast. I was gonna

809
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: update it further. It's like, so I met somebody on

810
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: Snapchat or Okay, It's like, okay, if I say I'm

811
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: getting married, I sit the person I'm getting married down

812
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, I heard this show called The

813
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Experience, and I have to marry Joe Rogan

814
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: today and and and my partner was like, I totally interested.

815
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: We've already figured out the wedding favor is going to

816
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: be a d MT. Yeah. His reaction is so accommodating.

817
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: That is he on mushrooms. I just feel so badly

818
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: for for him. There could be a super cut of

819
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: all of the partners of the different main couples across

820
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: these movies, just totally piecing out from the relationship totally amicably,

821
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: and it was ridiculous. It's third different levels of like, no,

822
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, I just want you to be happy, like

823
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: no one wants Meg Ryan to be happy. Alternative he

824
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: like captured her and he's like, you're mine. No, No,

825
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: I think the alternative is like, Okay, this fucking sucks.

826
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: But if this is what you have to do, I

827
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: guess fuck off. Like he could speak to her as

828
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: if he were frustrated, but she's doing is obnoxious and unhinged.

829
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: So there is a weird trope that I need. If

830
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: you have more examples of this trope, please shout it out.

831
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: But ghost of his Wife trope appears in this movie.

832
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: It also happens in Casper with ghost Daddy Bill Pullman,

833
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: the only person hotter in Caspar. Then Bull Pullman is

834
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman's ghost during the part where Bill Hallman's a ghost.

835
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, Tom Hanks's wife comes over. She's in a nightgown,

836
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: she's got a glass of wine, like, and Tom Hanks

837
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: is just like, I miss you, my wife, and she's

838
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: like it's okay. But we agree that they're like in

839
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: Seattle by that point, right, Yes, the ghost had to

840
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: get on a plane, Like the ghost came with them,

841
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: Like there's an old chest of she guided and you're like,

842
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: I know this fella killed her. Well let's just keep

843
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: it around. That was just like a weird extension of

844
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: his wife. Trope is like she just came to deposit

845
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: a piece of wisdom and to basically give him permission

846
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: to fuck Meg Ryan at some point, um, which is

847
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean she was already her headstone has

848
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: already been yelled at by Tom hankson to add insult

849
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: to injury, they got a flyer ghost out to Seattle

850
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: to say it's okay to hook up with Meg Ryan.

851
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't find that trope to be that troubling. I

852
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: just think it's bad writing. Yeah, sure, sure, but there

853
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: are certainly more regressive tropes around. I think. I think

854
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: it's um, it's it. I think it works in movies

855
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: that are like super natural, I guess. But then again,

856
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: like you end up with something where a wife has

857
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: to die to be some sort of mechanism for the

858
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: movie moving forward, like woman has to die. True, it's

859
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: and and I mean Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan both

860
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: need kind of just to continue acting as they're acting

861
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: throughout the movie, which is irrationally. I feel like they

862
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: add in characters to give them permission to act that way.

863
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: I think Rosie o'donald's character is seems like that a lot,

864
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: where sometimes Meg Ryan will call her and just be like,

865
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing unsafe and irrational? And there's like

866
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: a scene for Rosie o'donald's like somehow no and Groads

867
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: like sounds good. Hear that audience, it's fine. Click like

868
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: it's just so fucking weak. I will say, Rosie o'donald

869
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: is like she's almost cast like a quasi Ricky Lake

870
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: in the role, and she nails Baltimore like that is

871
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: a Baltimore attitude in a kind of curt way. And

872
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: I give them props for that. But then again, like

873
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: that newspaper would just be covering murders. There's more going

874
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: on in Baltimore. No, No, there's a lonely man in Seattle. Sorry,

875
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: this corpse just washed up in front of your house,

876
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: because we've found corpses in front of our house. We're

877
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: I've worked right there, and they would just like have

878
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: to shut off our work because just find bodies, not

879
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily murders, just like you know, a corpse sure

880
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: of course died of natural you know, a drug person

881
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: falls in Yeah, I mean, as we know from the

882
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: that corpse that washes up that was Robert Durst self

883
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: defending himself. Yeah, you dismember your neighbors in self defense anyway.

884
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: And then our other female character that we see semi

885
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: frequently is Sam's sister, played by his wife, and we

886
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: don't really know that much about her except that she

887
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean she sort of used as like an exposition

888
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: machine basically to be like, hey, you should move to

889
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know Seattle. I mean, she just sort of

890
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: functions in relations. Yeah. The first thing that she says

891
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: is here's how to make food because women, uh. And

892
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: then later that long scene where she is recapping the

893
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: movie of an Affair to Remember and crying during it.

894
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: So at least I don't do that as I'm recapping

895
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: movies on the podcast, but I am Victor garbering the

896
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: whole time. Is there a movie you would cry as

897
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: you recite back Paddington too? Maybe I'm just like an

898
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: emotional robot, But describing a movie doesn't make me cry.

899
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: Does that happen? Do people cry when you describe a movie?

900
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: I don't think people describe movies to each other very much.

901
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: I think we just do that. But I think that's

902
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: one of that's one of the things that this movie,

903
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: like women are just shown as being so emotional that

904
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: like the thought of a romantic story will make you

905
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: just cry for a while. Yeah, and that's stupid. Yeah so,

906
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: but also I cry constantly at the drop of a

907
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: hat about many things. However, the description of that movie

908
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: sounds just like, oh, no, I will say. In the

909
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: middle of mon the three hour Bollywood version essentially of

910
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: this movie, there becomes a part where the female lead

911
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: starts washing the feet of the grandmother in the temple,

912
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I got Syria eyed during that. Okay, that's

913
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: that's where the two. I mean, crying during a movie

914
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: I think is normal, But crying while describing yeah that

915
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Not to shame anyone who does that,

916
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: but I feel like that just doesn't happen very often.

917
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: But all the women shown in this movie are constantly

918
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: talking about and affair to remember, even like the the

919
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: security guard at the end, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm

920
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: at the Empire State Building and you're trying to go

921
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: up to the roof, just like that movie. It's my

922
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: wife's favorite, Like, yeah, you could have easily been like

923
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: written at that so that he was his favorite of that. Nope,

924
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: there are boy movies and there are girl movies. I mean, well, boys,

925
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: as we all know, should be listening to Beatles records

926
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: backwards and being yelled at by their fops. Do we

927
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: have any other final thoughts? Uh no, this movie absolutely blows.

928
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: Don't watch him? Should we take some questions comments from

929
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: the crowd Q and went, oh yeah, come come on down,

930
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: so that you're talking into my guest you. Yeah. I

931
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: just wanted to mention my favorite scene in the movie

932
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: where half the cast is yelling at Gabby Hoffman about

933
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: where that annoying kid is and her father walks up

934
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: and introduces himself, saying, this is your father speaking like

935
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: explaining who he is to I just wanted to know

936
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that. I hope that that was them

937
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: meeting for the first time. He's like, listen, I was

938
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: called in after nine years. How old are those kids?

939
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: Like eight? Nine? Yeah? Yeah, I think that that was

940
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: them meeting Cannon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I thought it

941
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: was interesting. I don't want to know your thoughts on

942
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: this that the only attribute that the child Jonah gets

943
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: to learn about his mom is that she could peel

944
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: an apple, like in one whole strip, and that somehow

945
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: is the like I don't know that was just weird.

946
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: Is thank you for bringing that up, because that is

947
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: first of all, so specific that hearing it said out loud,

948
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: you're like you. And then, just to be sure, you

949
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: also see Meg Ryan do it, and then you're like you,

950
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: no one would do that you. Why is she so

951
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: handy with a knife? Why it's like seeing this stalker

952
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: character use a knife handily is like, yikes, that's like

953
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: in all action movies when somebody's like peeling like an

954
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: apple with a bowie knife, right, like that seems like

955
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: it's an oh man when she's like listening to him

956
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: on the radio, and it was like it's like she's

957
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: thinking of that as like his skin. And she's crying

958
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: during that scene too, because women be crying all the time,

959
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: but not so hard they can't see their knife. Like

960
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: when I thank you for that happen when I couldn't sleep,

961
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: Mom would split wood with a hatchet. She showed then

962
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: on your foot any other questions comments, Yeah, So I

963
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: just need to get this off my chest because I'm

964
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: super embarrassed about this. I've seen this movie once years ago.

965
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: I remember nothing about it before coming to the show,

966
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: but this was like my partner in my movie that

967
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: we watched on our first date, and I guess we

968
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: found this like romantic enough to like still be dating

969
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 1: like four years later, but we started like, oh sleep

970
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: List in Seattle, and I'm like, oh my god, brave

971
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: for sharing. Let's applaud this bravery because thank you, thank

972
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: you're here. Do you have any couple movies like the

973
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: movies you have as a in your relationships or I

974
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: think I've told this anecdote on the podcast before, but

975
01:07:53,800 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: in one of my worst relationships ever, but it's started

976
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: with the gentleman if you can call him that, okay.

977
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: I whenever to his apartment. I was like nineteen or twenty,

978
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: and he was just like, I love Drive. Ever seen it?

979
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: And I was like no, and he was like, let's

980
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: watch it. I have it in the DVD player already. Yeah,

981
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: Drive cute up. And then we were watching it. I

982
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: personally think that movie is a fucking drag. Was not

983
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: enjoying it. And then he was just like, there's a

984
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: scorpion jacket in the movie and he kept looking over.

985
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: He's just like that jackets cool, right, And I was like,

986
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: I guess twenty minutes later he was like, I have

987
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: that check Okay, but that's also the jacket. They what

988
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 1: is it is? Somebody helped me out here, he said,

989
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: jacket also in a gay cruising movie. Yeah, it's a

990
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: really famous jacket, like a scorpio rising jacket. I'm forgetting

991
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: the name of it, but it's from a reference to something. Yeah,

992
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: that's a a cruise name jacket. Hell yeah. So he's like,

993
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: I have the jacket. He pulls the jacket out of

994
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: his closet and just leaves it next to me suggestively,

995
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: and then twenty minutes later he's like, I've always wanted

996
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: to make out while a girl's wearing that jacket, and

997
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: then I did for three years. That's I'm a feminist.

998
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: I've never been in a relationship, so I have no

999
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: movies and I'm in a relationship with myself and our

1000
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: movie is Paddington. Yeah, oh, I know. I'm sorry. Do

1001
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: you think I didn't know Paddington two was better? I

1002
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen Paddington. Caitlin made me watch it

1003
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: on Christmas. I saw the first one by myself and

1004
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. It's so I think we me and

1005
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: my partner ours is just the It's really just the

1006
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: seventh season of Simpsons, because you like, you have to decide,

1007
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: if you're in a long enough relationship, you have to

1008
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: decide which season of the Simpsons you agree is the best.

1009
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, it will help you.

1010
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: We've been together for seventeen years, so yeah, we find

1011
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: this season that we liked Season seven. Okay, beautiful, it's

1012
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: a beautiful love story. Gang. Does this movie pass the

1013
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: Betel test? Well? I there is a quick exchange towards

1014
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: the beginning where Annie's mom is holding up a dress,

1015
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: and so they talk about this dress back and forth

1016
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,919
Speaker 1: for a couple lines, but the rest of the conversation

1017
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: is about Walter and about Annie's dad, and the context

1018
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: is like, here, take this dress so that you can

1019
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: marry a man, right, so you can marry Bill Pullman. Yeah,

1020
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it at all. Yeah, every other

1021
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: exchange either. There. I thought there was an exchange between

1022
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: Meg and Rosie where they're talking about a Polaroid commercial

1023
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: and there's something about a refrigerator. I wasn't fully listening.

1024
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: This movie is very boring, but yeah, I know they're

1025
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: not talking about a man. They're talking about some commercial.

1026
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 1: I missed that one. But there are a number of exchanges.

1027
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: There aren't as many as you would think. I guess,

1028
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: but because there are a lot of female characters in

1029
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,440
Speaker 1: this movie, they're just they're not really frequently seen interacting,

1030
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: with the exception of like Meg Ryan and Rosie o'donald right. Yeah,

1031
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: and almost all of their conversations are about a man

1032
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: in Seattle that she's never met or Walter. Does it

1033
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: count as a conversation if she's yelling at the radio

1034
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: where Dr Mark I don't do. I think if she's

1035
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: yelling at Dr Marcia, uh no, but also a compelling argument.

1036
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: Does it pass the Backtel test if Tom Hanks's yelling

1037
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: at a child? Yes, Um, I think Alfred Molina could

1038
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: have played Jonah. You stepped on my I think he

1039
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: could have played Jonah. And I think he could have

1040
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: played Jonah well. And I think if Tom Hanks is

1041
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: yelling at Alfred Molina, who's playing a nine year old,

1042
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: we've got a psychological thriller on her and I would

1043
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: love it. So that's yeah. Also, it tragically passes the

1044
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: Bechtel test. Yeah. I've seen two different readings where it

1045
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: like did or didn't pass the test. Yeah, it's I

1046
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: I will say I did think that that exchange with

1047
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: my gain Rosie did pass. Yeah, that I totally forgotten.

1048
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: So that's says something about that conversation. I've seen this

1049
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: movie three times in the past week, and I don't

1050
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: remember that conversation. Still don't work. Yeah, but I guess

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01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: it passes, so hooray. So yeah it did. So female

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01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: talking is fine and back well with that, let's rated

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: on our nipple scales. Nipples based on his portrayal of women.

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01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: I think that it gets like a half nipple. Women

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01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: are portrayed as just being these like blubbering, like always crying,

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: like hyper emotional, like no matter what, I need more

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01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: men in my life. Yeah. The fact that she is

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: stalking and that's not addressed in any way, and it's

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: actually seen as being very cool and romantic. She's given

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01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: permission to do it by multiple characters, so like when

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01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: you do it, it's okay, right right. The movie subverts

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: the trope of men's talking women, but that's also not good.

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01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess a half nipple because Gabby Hoffman,

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: are you giving your nippt to? I'll give my nipple

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: to I guess to Nora Affron. Yeah, because she did

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: right and direct it. So I mean, we've got a

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: female phonemaker, but she didn't do a very good job.

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this movie a nipple and a half

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01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: because I am Anora affront stand even though she you know,

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: mistakes are made, but um, she did marry Carl Bernstein

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01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: and then they got divorced and then she roasted him

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: NonStop until she died, which was fucking incredible. And I

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01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: I just I love Nora a Fron so much. Um,

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with this movie, although

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: you know she's clearly the person driving it. But it's

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: weird there. I think the kind of a recurring problem

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: throughout her movies is that she kind of tries to

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: have it both ways a lot of time, where all

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: her female characters are very active, but what they're active

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01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: doing you're like, oh no, like there, I mean, we

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: can't deny me. Bryant's character is active as fuck because

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: she is committing crimes like she is. She's actively talking

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01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: someone the whole movie. Uh, She's trying to subvert things

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: at times that I think missed the mark with like

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: every time a woman you know, refutes like no, that

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01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: terroristatistic is wrong. But then she's also kind of made

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: to look dumb in the same scene women being blubbering dummies,

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: but they're also hackers, so you know she there. There's

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01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of mixed bagginess to to this

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01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: movie that doesn't I don't even think that, like the

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01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: female stalker thing is an issue of its time. It's

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01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: just like weird. Okay, But I'll go nipple and a

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: half and I'll give one to Nora and I'll give

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01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: the other half to Rosie. All Right, I'm gonna give it.

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01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: Uh Well, considering I've watched all of the other Love Affair,

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: there's a fair to remember. There's the other Love Affair

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: from four, there's the Bollywood movie, and then this. I

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: think in the uber of all it's the only one

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01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: more woman doesn't get struck down in traffic. So can

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01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: I give it at least one nipple for that? Yeah?

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01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: And I'll give another nipple for the for the girl

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: Jessica um and also for the I'll cross both those

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01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: nipples too for the hopeful sequel that follows Jonah and Jessica,

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01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 1: as Jonah was on to and create Instagram and Jessica

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01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: invents the first Himalayan Salt Lamp compelling. I like that movie.

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01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, this movie, he's boring and I don't like it. Um.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for kesn uh Andy, Where can people follow you online?

1108
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: Why would you like to plug? Yeah? I do the

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01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: comedy nest downstairs here in the grotto every Tuesday. It's

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01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: an awesome hate free female focus showing room. Great. All right,

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Yes, give it

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01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: up for Andy. Oh my, uh, my co workers are

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: probably listening to this right now. I'm probably on break.

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, thank you for coming. Give up for yourselves.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. There you have it. That was the last

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Speaker 1: of the live shows that we recorded on our West

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01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: Coast tour. Thanks again to our guest Andy I Wantio

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you to the Jewel Box Theater

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,839
Speaker 1: at the Rendezvous in Seattle and all of their staff

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Speaker 1: for helping us to put on the various shows that

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: we did there in Seattle. Thanks again to Sam Junio

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01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 1: for recording the show and being our road dog for

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Speaker 1: the West Coast tour. Uh And speaking of tours, we've

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Speaker 1: got another one coming up in the Northeast. We will

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01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,879
Speaker 1: be in New York, Philadelphia, Washington, d C. And Boston

1126
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: at the end of April and beginning of May. So

1127
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: check out our website bechtel cast dot com and click

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Speaker 1: on live appearances for all of the dates, venues and

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: other details for those shows. And if you live in

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01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: or near any of those places, we hope to see

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Speaker 1: you there and then all the usual stuff. Follow us

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Speaker 1: by our very own Jamie Loftus like Woman in Stem

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Speaker 1: and Rise of the Matriarchy. And that about does it

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Speaker 1: for this episode, So thanks as always for listening. And

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Speaker 1: this is Sleepless in Seattle signing off just kidding, it's

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Speaker 1: Caitlin by