1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've returned. In an earlier episode, we launched 2 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: our continuing exploration into idioms. This is the next episode 3 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: of Idiomatic for the people, Come on, knock on my door, 4 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Idiomatic for you something something bad, people and phrases and 5 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: you gotta workshop that. No, Ben, you pointed out though, 6 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: that the Threes Company theme kind of dirty, clearly not 7 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: as innocent as the melody would imply. And this is 8 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: something that we we should look back into you because 9 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: I know that you and I and our super producer 10 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram had a fantastic time tripping the light of 11 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: music history in our Louis Louis episode, So maybe we 12 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: can look at sitcom theme songs one day. Are you 13 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: trying to make trip the Light happen? Ben? No, but 14 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: I was thinking about bank a cast the pod. Fantastic voices. Voices, Man, 15 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: We've got voices, not just the ones in our heads. No, No, 16 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: it's not just you and Casey and myself. Today we 17 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 1: are rejoined by our good friends Rowan Nuby and Frank Mulherron. Hey, guys, thanks, 18 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: thanks that a well hello or a mahallow, both both multifunctional. 19 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 1: So we are we're really glad that you guys didn't 20 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: didn't give up the ghost. It's another idiom. Didn't give 21 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: up the ghost at intermission and came and came back. 22 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: So thanks so much for giving us a second date. 23 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: We've established the rules video matic for the people already. 24 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I almost tapped out myself, Ben, Yeah, you've been You've 25 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: had a long day, my friend, It's been a long journey. 26 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: I was telling the superducer Kisy program that I did 27 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: get good sleep last night. I went to bed like 28 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: a good boy at around nine four thirty. But it's 29 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: not about the lack of sleep. It's just about the 30 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: length of the day. We are up at four. It 31 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: feels like an eternity. But I'm kind of liking this 32 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: punchy vibe that I'm riding now. I'm hoping that it'll 33 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: lend itself to some fun idiomatic dissection. I am agreed 34 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: with you, and I've just been struck by inspiration. Noel, 35 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: will you be the first brave soul to explore an 36 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: idiom with us today? I would love to Ben jim Man, Uh, 37 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: my idiom is the name of a spice girl. Can 38 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: you guess which one it is? Is it scary? The story. 39 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: The story is a little bit scary, and it does 40 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: involve some sport, some potential sports some sports. Uh individual 41 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: sporty individual. What are the other ones? There's baby baby, um, 42 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: there there may be some babies in the story here 43 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: baby spice, Ginger, ginger spice, ginger spice or was she was? 44 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Wasn't she? There was ginger spice? Yeah, I don't know. 45 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Ginger is a spice. I think that's what you mean. 46 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Ginger is a spice multiple levels. The story of of 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: the spice girl in question, um, or at least her namesake, 48 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: does involve some spices potentially, um, yeah, exactly. It involves 49 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: a journey to uh, the land of exotic spices, right 50 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: like turmeric, like you know, peppercorns, also peppercorns. That's right, 51 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: that's right. Um. But it's not just any journey, my friend. 52 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: It is the journey of the wealthy via steam ship. 53 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: You see, in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century 54 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: it was the thing to do for the well to do, 55 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: the wealthy, the upper crust of England to go to 56 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: India for what they call in in England holiday which 57 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: means vacation or it's also a fabulous Madonna's song, wouldn't 58 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: that be funny? So there was there's a go Ghost 59 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: song called Vacation, and then there's a Madonna song called 60 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: Holiday and they're both. You know, madonna song about Holiday 61 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: is about taking a holiday, if we took a holiday, 62 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: just some time to celebrate. Now I think she's more 63 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: talking about like a Christmas type experience. It's talking about celebrating. Well, 64 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: as long as you wake me up before you go go, oh, 65 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, I will ruin, you know, I will listen here, 66 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: listen here, my friends, so they have to take this 67 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: journey on steamship. And here's the thing. In those days, 68 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: it was not a good look for the wealthy to 69 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: have a tan because the tan was not what it 70 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: is today. Or people you know, get literally spray painted 71 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: on their body so they look they have that like glow. Uh. No, 72 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: that was the look that was reserved for like a 73 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: field hand. That was considered like we would call like 74 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: a redneck or something like that, someone that's like the 75 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: lowest of the low. And these these wealthy types wanted 76 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: to maintain their ghostly complexion. Um. So here's the thing, 77 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: the story of the word posh, that is, it was 78 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: a long preamble to get there. I know, but Ben, 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: you know I love a good acronym. That's true. You 80 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: know you know this about me, Frank, you know this 81 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: about me. I'm always talking about acronyms at the house. 82 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: It's like I won't shut up. I'm like, acronym, acronym, acronym, 83 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Yet I can't seem to think of radar race car. 84 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: That's it's a palindromes, not an acronym. Uh, just want 85 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: to chime in here. One of my favorite palindromes doctor 86 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: awkwardly wo beautiful. Also one of my favorite Spiderman villains. No, 87 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: wait a second, my favorite is a lonely titlan All. Wow, 88 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: that's a good one. Yeah, But palindromes maybe something for 89 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: a different tale, right, you know the word palindrome is 90 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: itself a palindrome. I'm pretty sure it might be in 91 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: some other language. That's fair. So I'll tell you. The 92 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: story of the word posh is really fascinating because there 93 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: is a popularly circulated, let's call it um. I don't know, 94 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: rumored origin of this word that these uh, these mucky 95 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: muck English types that were going on their holiday to 96 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: India via steemship required a very particular type of seat, 97 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: so they would not get that tan Um. So they 98 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: wanted to sit in the part of the ship that 99 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: would shield them from the afternoon sun, which is the 100 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: hottest of the hot during the day when you're out 101 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: on the open sea, which would, according to this version 102 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: of events, be the right or the starboard side, and 103 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: then when you came back, they wanted it to be 104 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: on the left or the port side. So therein you 105 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: have the acronym p O s H port side out 106 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: star home, meaning the voyage there you'd sit on the 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: port side. On the voyage back, you'd sit on the 108 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: starboard side. And supposedly, according to this tale, these tickets 109 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: would be stamped with posh and it got so popular 110 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: that people just started asking for the POSH ticket. We 111 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: want the posh ticket. It turns out this is garbage. 112 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: This story is not true at all, and there's a 113 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: great reason there's it's so garbage and so questionable that 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: Snopes has a fantastic article dissecting all of these these 115 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: various versions of the story. Uh, and they have a 116 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: couple of reasons that does not make sense. First of all, um, 117 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: the way the sun would move in a journey like 118 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: this would be different depending on the day. This is 119 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: a very long and arduous journey. And they you know, 120 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: you couldn't really bank on where the sun would be exactly. 121 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't make its own rules. And that's the thing. 122 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: The winds. There were monsoon winds that would be in play, 123 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: and they would change from season to season. So it 124 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: would change seasonally, you know, like maybe not day to day, 125 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: but certainly seasonally. Um. And there's here's the other part. 126 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Here's the other rub as they say, which is another 127 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: idiom we should explore. Um, yeah, there it is right there. Uh. 128 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: They these trips were so long and difficult that they 129 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't book a round trip. They would be staying in 130 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: India for a long time to make it worth their while. 131 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: They might stay months, some might even stay over like 132 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: a year or so. They would not book that return 133 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: trip until they knew, damn well they were ready to 134 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: come home. It's so posh um. And so the real 135 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: origin of the word posh uh came around in eighteen thirty. 136 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: And the thing about posh too is the reason stories 137 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: like this can take whole is because it's it's origins 138 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: are a little bit murky. But there are some um 139 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: origins in the Romani language of the early seventeenth century, 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: where it was a term that meant money. The term 141 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: was posh who which was their version of a halfpence 142 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: so um. Then the word posh kind of stuck around 143 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: and started to mean money. Money equals you are so money, 144 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: you are so well to do, you are so posh. 145 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me. Um, And 146 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: now we use that term to mean anyone that is 147 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: moneyed or looking fancy or looking like whatever their get 148 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: up is is would have cost a good bit. You know. 149 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I have to admit I'm a little It 150 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: was a little bit of an emotional roller coaster for me, Noel, 151 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: because I got quite into the idea of posh spices, 152 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: full name being port side out, starbird hole spice. That 153 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: would be good. That would be good. And a point 154 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: that I love the Snopes article makes is that the 155 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: Brits of this period, and honestly humans in general, big 156 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: fans of scrap booking. Scrap booking is it was a 157 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: super fashionable thing to do, and not a single one 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: of these posh stamped tickets exists in the world. Bus 159 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: debunked so yeah, totally debunked. The birds love to say posh. 160 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: That's probably where I know the term from. Of course, 161 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: you're a posh dandy, you know, because you're like a 162 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: posh dandy tripping the light. Fantastic there, Like that line 163 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: from Peep Show. It's like he calls him a posh 164 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: spas you probably iron your socks. Yes. Also, also I 165 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: propose that we take it upon ourselves to bring back 166 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: posh as a sling term for money. There's always there's 167 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: so many I think you can. I think you can 168 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: pull it off and no one will bust you, you 169 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like if you say how much 170 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: posha is that, they'll just say it's four thirty five. 171 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: I think that works totally. There's some like you ever 172 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: heard of, like a scratch You heard someone calling money 173 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: scratch cheddar. Posh is way cooler. Yeah, posh is way cool. 174 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: You got the posh probably more fashionable. Sounds like something 175 00:10:54,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Alig would say that you would say, exactly, Pasha, oh boy, 176 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: uh now we uh now we turned to let's see 177 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: what what you got something? Frank, you got one for us? Sure? Um? 178 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: I was looking at what's cracking in what's cracking in 179 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: on tonight you'll have what's cracking? Do you'll have any 180 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: idea of what's going on? Like some some what's the HAPs? Yeah, 181 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: what's the HAPs? What's the buzz? What's the you know, 182 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: what's the new gassa? What's the four one one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. 183 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: And so I was looking into this, and you know, 184 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: it's not something that's native to America. It's but it's 185 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: been around in England for a while and specifically it 186 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: comes from the Ulster area and the Scots Irish area 187 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: of the British Isles. And originally it was spelled you know, 188 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: like the way we spell it now, like c R 189 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: A c K. So there was American then it was 190 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: an American version or no, well no, no, no. It 191 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: was originally started out and as Middle English, and it 192 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: was just like it, you know, it was related to 193 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the sound, but it but in this particular usage of it, 194 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: it pertained to like a lot of chatter basically like people, 195 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: you know, you go into a loud bar restaurant, you 196 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: hear just you know, yeah, I believe they call them 197 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: pubs over there. Yeah yeah, and yes, exactly exactly. And 198 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: so what I found really interesting about this was that 199 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: it's an example of a re borrowing. So it was 200 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: primarily used in you know, Scotland, Northern England and in 201 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: Northern Ireland. It really wasn't used in Ireland, even though 202 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: we associate, you know, when people say where's the crack 203 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: or what's the crack and not what I think of 204 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: when people say where's the crack, I'm thinking of something 205 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: completely different totally. But um, yeah, but say if you 206 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: were in Ireland and somebody asked you that, you know, 207 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: they would just take you to a cool bar, you know, 208 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: a restaurant or whatever, then sell you some crack, sell 209 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: you some crack, and then you'd continue about your nine. 210 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: So crack's use in mainland Ireland or the non Northern 211 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: Ireland part really was more of a recent thing, and 212 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: um kind of started in the late sixties. And what 213 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: happened was they took crack and Galic sized it and 214 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: started to spell it c R A I C you know, 215 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: so they don't have a K in Gaelic, and I 216 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: don't know why they chose to put an eye from them. 217 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It looks like a more Middle 218 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: English version, like I would think of it like you know, 219 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: the creek was whiskey and the Leapy Deeves, and it's 220 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: got a jabberwalkee vibe to it as well. Really in 221 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the Sleepy Tutes, yes, yes, the guy or in Gimbal 222 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: So I wonder if it's really to archaic anyway, just 223 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 1: because of that Ai. It's just an example of the 224 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: Irish taking this word and giving it a more Gaelic 225 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: sort of rebranding. And that's really kind of like what 226 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: it turns into, because it turns into this Gaelic spelling 227 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: of it, and it becomes associated with Irish nightlife culture 228 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: and just going out and having fun and raising hill 229 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, and then it ends 230 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: up coming back into English by way of Ireland, and 231 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: it kind of now means like fun, nightlife, gossip and 232 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, but with the kind of 233 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: Irish flavor to it. So are we are we having cracked? Now? 234 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Is that? Is this what we're doing? I'd like to hope. 235 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: So is that how you would say it to we're 236 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: having crack? Yeah? Yeah, we're having a crack. And I 237 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: feel very very fake, say like because I went, yeah, 238 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: I went to um Dublin last year and what surprised 239 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: me is I had heard people use this phrase, but 240 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: I had no idea what it meant. And it was 241 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: never in a situation where I wanted to stop someone 242 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: and be like part of me. Uh, fellow Irish person, 243 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? What? What? What is this 244 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: crack of what you speak? Take a crack? And where 245 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: can I get some? I'm sorry, I keep bleeding on 246 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: that because I can't. I can't hear that. So to me, 247 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: what what occurred? What what comes to mind is what's cracking? Uh? 248 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: And I also another popular British expression is a cracking 249 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: good time exactly. So we've be saying that's cracking good 250 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: you know that just I think it just means that 251 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: it's super exciting and fun and uh upbeat, high energy. Yeah, totally. 252 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: And one interesting thing um I came across with this 253 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: is that it's kind of now that it's become readopted 254 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: by English speakers, it's now kind of like seeing as 255 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: kind of like emblematic of the disneyification and of Irish culture. 256 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: You saw like the proliferation of like Irish pubs in 257 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: the nineties, you know, and that gipsy mixed stumbles exactly. Yeah, 258 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: I didn't freaking eyes. Hometown of Augusta, Georgia, which you 259 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: mentioned last episode, there is an Irish bar that's sort 260 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: of like an Irish bar Hooters called Tipsy Mixed stumbles. 261 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: If that's not the most offensive cultural appropriation that I 262 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: can think of up my head, I don't know what 263 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: it is. You know, there are a lot of really 264 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: cool examples of re borrowing that I thought were really interesting, 265 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, like you know how like animation in English 266 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: and then jack in Japan. There's anime and then now 267 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: in English animation that has that's from Japan or I 268 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: mean Japan animation. Nobody, nobody says, I'm not supposed to 269 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: say that that will get you punched by fans of 270 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the medium. Yeah. Yeah, So it's come full circle back 271 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: to anime. So I have a question. Can we as 272 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Americans use this phrase? Are we being jerks? I would 273 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: if I was going over there, I would be like, listen, 274 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want I don't want this. 275 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Mickey Mickey Mouse, Donald duck crack. You know, I'm looking 276 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: for the real thing, you know, don't send me to 277 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: where the tourists are. Okay. I feel like I'm not 278 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: into Donald Duck crack either personally. Oh my goodness, last thing, 279 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: real quick. I keep seeing this on the internet when 280 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this. The crack was ninety. Why isn't 281 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: it only nine? That is the highest gradation of crack 282 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: breaking bad. If you go pass uh crack ninety, then 283 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: you've entered into minus crack, where you've had too good 284 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: of a time and and you know you said some 285 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: terrible things and gotten into a fight, and you know 286 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: you cancel you you were canceled this season, right, you were. 287 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: So that was fantastic. I first of all, when you 288 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: texted the group saying that I thought you were misspelling 289 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: a word, and I was like, but I am. I 290 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: am delighted. I literally learned something new. Yeah. I didn't 291 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: want to. I didn't want to mention it in our 292 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: off air talks because I thought you would like have 293 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: more fun. You knew what it was, Yeah, because you 294 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: people talk about it, and I actually um when we 295 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: were there, we ended up entirely through accidents, staying next 296 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: to the most notorious club in Dublin, which is a 297 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: place called Copper Faced Jack's. Uh. I don't want to 298 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: go too far into detail on it, but if you 299 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: are by a computer that is not associated with your work, 300 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: feel free to google it and check out what happens 301 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: at copper faced Jack's I hear it's a raging crack. 302 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: It's at ninety. Am I doing that right? Yeah? Crack ninety. 303 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: We should do, we should do. There's some T shirt 304 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: ideas here, guys. These are T shirt I did, yeah, 305 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: I or any shirt with crack on it. That's what 306 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: people say about you. I have one, you, guys, it 307 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: might it might surprise you. Have you ever felt that 308 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: you were doing something or involved in some kind of 309 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: project that um felt too improvised, somewhat haphazard, like this podcast. No, 310 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: we had Hey, we had a plan, we had a text, 311 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: we had a text, a text threat and more Lucy 312 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: Goosey than this is what you're saying and not But 313 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: but that's a great one to the phrase Willie Nilly, 314 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: which is for older generations. I know, I'm sorry, just 315 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: Willy Nilly Lucy Goosey there, but similar sing song they've 316 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: got some whimsy to them, right, they're a bit to June. 317 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: But Willie Nilly, Now it's something that you would associate with, 318 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: let's be honest, maybe a child a teacher or an 319 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: older person say in a in a way like if 320 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: you've ever seen a very wholesome person get angry, they 321 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: would use a phrase like willy nilly, like you cannot 322 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: be out all hours of the night driving willy nilly 323 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: hither and yon yes yes me so nowadays, in we 324 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: associate this with the definition that I think we all 325 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: recognized instantly doing something without a good set of directions, 326 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: lackluster planning somewhat haphazardly, which reminds us uh I feel terrible. 327 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: Super producer Casey Pegro we went willy Nilly into the 328 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: beginning of this podcast. We ran rough shot over our 329 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: normal top of the show, shout out to Casey, yes, 330 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: please do yes, we're we're penitent. I blame you? What 331 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: come on? We blame ruin. Oh look, I'm sorry, Casey. 332 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: Do you forget of me? I forgive you. Listen to 333 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: that h Casey on a case yeah, and it sounded 334 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: very sincere. So why don't you guys need to take 335 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: take a deep breath. Alright, We're good. So Willie Nilly 336 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: is much older than you might originally suspect. The phrase 337 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: that survives now w I L L Y dash n 338 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: I l l y is the winner of a long 339 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: battle between various different spellings uh. And it's even become 340 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: a great fake name if you guys are into those 341 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: William William, Who's who's going to use that at the airport? 342 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: Next every hotel, every hotel. So the early meaning of 343 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: the word nil is key to the understanding it used to. 344 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: It used to mean originally with or against your will. 345 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: So come hell or high wall is closer to the 346 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: original version of Willie nilly because the early meaning of 347 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: the word nil it was the opposite of will, a 348 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: contraction of nay will so gosh so so I nil 349 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: do that, I will not do that. Websters defines it 350 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: as uh, whether you like it or not. Yep, and 351 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: so I've always wanted to say, Websters defines it as 352 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: it's perfect shout out to Websters. So will I nil 353 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: I can be expanded into b I willing b I unwilling, 354 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: combining the two sentiments with the implication that it doesn't 355 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: matter how you feel about it, you are stuck doing 356 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: this thing. I got a lot of this information from 357 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: one of my favorite word websites, which is Worldwide Words. 358 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: It is a treasure trove a cavalcade, a very very 359 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: strange phrases, and an interesting backstory. The guy that that 360 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: maintained it right, Yeah, yeah, he is no longer actively 361 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: updating the site, But Michael Quinnion has spent his entire 362 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: life studying this. He's a one man army and it's 363 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: it's fascinating, just the sheer bulk of stuff he describes. 364 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: So shout out to you, Mike, and thanks for putting 365 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: this together. So the phrase itself dates back at least 366 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: a thousand years. The earliest known version was in an 367 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: Old English text called Lives of Saints. The line is 368 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: for in the we is saying saying food and skilled 369 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: in boone ad mode, Really we needed we I don't 370 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: know what he's talking about, and something about skating and 371 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: bone what was it? Skanks and bones, sin sinful and 372 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: slen boone ed mode ed mode moved im in ed mode, Bro, 373 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: you're so ed modr. That's like when you like actively 374 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: are sort of like a dweeb, like I'm in full 375 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: ad mode, and then became this is great, He's gonna 376 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: be t shirts and then uh. It occurs in The 377 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: Taming the Shrewe in with its original meaning Patricio, speaking 378 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: to Catherina, says, thus, in plain terms, your father hath 379 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: consented that you shall be my wife. Your dowry greed 380 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: on and will you nail you? I will marry you. 381 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: Super creepy dude. Wow, Yeah, that's that's not a good 382 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: look for Patricio. What's his name? That's right, got it? 383 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: He nailed it, man. And this is just I think 384 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: a great example of how previously maybe not sinister, but 385 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: previously more combative or or less innocuous terms become these 386 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: fun things that we throw around. Now, you know what 387 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, You're not You're like the odds of you 388 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: being in an altercation and someone saying will you nail you? 389 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: That's in a threatening manner. That's just safely not gonna happen. Yeah, 390 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I do have to say, Ben, I 391 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: use this one quite a lot. Yeah, Willie Billy, I 392 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: use it Willie Nilly. It's just just every which way. 393 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I really do. I really really like Willy Nilly. 394 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: Oh come on, I keep thinking of what's that song, 395 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: will Bully? I keep thinking of the song Willy Bully, 396 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: but just with the lyrics replaced Willy Nilly. I like it, 397 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: which actually works, I do, but honestly that when I 398 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: use it, though, I use it in kind of a 399 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: Larry David kind of like grumpy old man way, where 400 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't just go doing this stuff willy nilly, 401 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, it's this idea of there's 402 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: gotta be a little order involved. You can't just go 403 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: you can't just be going out, you know, doing whatever 404 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: it is you're doing, whatever the case might be, whose 405 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: be haphazard or pell mell hell mell, which is so 406 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: funny because they're cigarettes about our grandpa cigarettes, I would 407 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: also say willy nilly probably, but Grandpa's pronounced it pell mell. 408 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: And if you look at the pack, clearly paul mall. 409 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: And they're still around, but apparently they're like that. That's 410 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: one of these examples of wilful disagreement of an obvious pronunciation, 411 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, like we're just like a fast as possible 412 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: and time to read the box a person with do. 413 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: So that's that's the story. So we have posh, we 414 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: have crack. We took a crack at crack, and then 415 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: we have will eat nilly, But we weren't quite willy 416 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: nillly with this episode because we did have a plan. 417 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: We did promise everyone in the beginning that we would 418 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: we would each present an idiom and Rowan since you 419 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: are an alumni of the show, now alumnus, alumnar, alum aluminium, 420 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: since you are in fact build largely from alumenium. No 421 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm a tent man, we would like to give the 422 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: honor to you. You have the last idiom. Now, this 423 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: means that if the three of us have really dropped 424 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: the ball here I don't know where that one comes from, 425 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: then it's no pressure on you to save the show. Yeah, 426 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel pressure by that statement at all. 427 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: Good because Nolan Frank gave you some serious nods and on. 428 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: You know that we're not joking. Okay, they all just 429 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: cracked their knuckles and they're looking at me very sternly. 430 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: I want everyone to know. Can you hear those knuckles? 431 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: That is that is in the room? Wow? Okay, well 432 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm bullets right now. Put that on your list. By 433 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: the way, there, um, because I'm tripping balls, tripping the 434 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: balls fantastic, got it? Uh? Yeah, there's actually a dry 435 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: race board behind ben Or He puts a tally of 436 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: every accidental idiom. We utter literally keep score in all 437 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: things and all things. It's podcast related. I'm super petty, um, 438 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: but sure, yeah, here we go, let's jump in. Uh. 439 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: This is a lesser known idiom or the people out 440 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: there hardbucksing the runway. If you're not familiar with this, 441 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: it refers to someone who's maybe showboating or peacocking a bit, 442 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe accidentally alienating a crowd as opposed to 443 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: enlightening with their flair and uh mild superiority but like 444 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: big personality. Mostly I've heard this, but I have no 445 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: idea where it comes from. Is it like as like 446 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: a European thing or is it you know, I think 447 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: it's origins or English, but uh but I think English, 448 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: so yeah, European. Okay, I think did you do the 449 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: home the homework? Come on? Well it is one of 450 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: those expressions that feels fakes, but I promised it's not 451 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: so okay, so so lay it on. Est man, What's 452 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: what's the etymology? Is there a story behind this? Well, 453 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: there there's a man by the name of Alexander Benson. 454 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: Okay who it was? The great grandfather somebody who I know, 455 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: And Admiral Nicholas von Vinson, who um has shared this 456 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: wisdom with me. Uh, evently stems from old bricotine ships 457 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: and um there was something called like you know with 458 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: the front of the ship is the bow and the 459 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: back is the is the port correct starting thank you, 460 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: And so in the back of the ships where you 461 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: steer the ship, and if somebody was steering the ship, 462 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: they would they would have this semblance of um, you know, 463 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: kind of arrogance. They'd be taking up a lot of 464 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, they oh, I'm in control of this ship. 465 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: So they were often known as the hard bucks. There 466 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: were hard bucks saying the runway being like they're the 467 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: passageway from the port or the starboard. Oh alright, the 468 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: stern is in the backup saying but when you look forward, yes, 469 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: because they they get this whole like vista of the 470 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: entire ship at the sea because they're steering the ship. 471 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: So they like hogging the spotlight exactly, and they can 472 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: be a little braggadocious, but they're do the job, you know. There. 473 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of an unintentional like flexing on 474 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: the Graham or something. Sure, a more archaic version perhaps, Yeah, 475 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: this why not very archaic because I haven't. I gotta 476 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: be honest, like I haven't. I'm familiar with it. I'm 477 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: sure a lot of us listening are, but I haven't 478 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: heard it in the modern day, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, 479 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, much like Willy Nilly, people aren't um or 480 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: will to the nil or whatever it was. Folks aren't 481 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: using this as as often as they should. You know. Frankly, 482 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm a little upset that people are often try to 483 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: call me on this, but it is real as the 484 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: table we're in front of a right, we are not 485 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: sitting down, we're standing. Real is the table in front 486 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: of us. You can put that on the tally board. Right, 487 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: So do you think people should bring this back? I 488 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: strongly suggest it would be for the benefit of all 489 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: if we because because you gotta call people on their 490 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: on their bs often, you know what I'm saying. So 491 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Okay, So I'm gonna okay, yeah, alright, 492 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I wrote a bunch of other 493 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: fake things. Yes, yes, I mean real things, because I 494 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: did actually google the word hardbuck, because you know what, 495 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: that's what the Internet's for, right, hardbuck could have ties 496 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: to a Gaelic expression hardbuck, which was a surname or 497 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: habitational name taken from our Buckle, a parish of air Dry, Lancolnshire. 498 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm pronouncing nothing correctly, but it's yes, well 499 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: really it's it's Gaelic. So we we've got crack and 500 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: we came back around exactly, We're back and he was 501 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: talking about ships at the beginning of the show. Wow, yeah, 502 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: I think about that. It's almost as though I'm definitely 503 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: usual suspect almost or I'm alright, discovered the perfect crystallization 504 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: of everything that we did in this episode, summed up 505 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: in a completely believable and meticulously researched idiom. I you know, 506 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better myself. I Um, I'm 507 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: patting myself on the back. However, Nicholas von Vinson, Admiral, 508 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: deserves a large amount of the credit as well. I 509 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: must say, was he the hard was he the original Hardbucks? 510 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: He was the original person to Hardbucks the runway. I 511 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: actually say this wouldn't an admiral. He would just be commanding, 512 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be steering. He was kind of a dick 513 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: about it. Some people are really hands on, you know people. Yeah, exactly, 514 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: because you know it's a you know, there are shifts, 515 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: it's also a power move exactly like you would admirally 516 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: want people to know he still got it. He would 517 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: often just like shout hey, guys, look at me. Hey, 518 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: check out the the steering on this guy. Huh handling 519 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: really good handling. Yeah, and then people swam on the 520 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: poop deck like that's nice, sir, that's great. Well, you 521 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: know what I say, we take this to our favorite 522 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: court because if anyone can get to the bottom of 523 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: the veracity of this figure speech, it will be our superproducer, 524 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. Casey, question for you, when was the last 525 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: time you heard Hardbucks in the runway? I would estimate 526 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: about an hour ago. Uh, we're talking about it outside 527 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: before recording. This is new to you, it's a new 528 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: one to me. But you know, it feels like it 529 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: should be real, so it has that going for it. 530 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: What should be real? Casey, I thought we were. I mean, 531 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, all languages constructed, so I mean, really, what 532 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: is real versus fake? Yeah? Thank you? And that's actually 533 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: something I texted's you did? Uh? So be it true? 534 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: Will he nil? He? Um? You know. I I think 535 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: it demonstrates the malleability of language and the power of belief. 536 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: What we're all about here on ridiculous. It's like our 537 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: main thing. It's one of our main things. So guys, again, 538 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for dropping by and helping shed 539 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: some light on the mysteries of etymology. For those of 540 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: us listening, we want to thank you for all the 541 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: responses we received to our previous idiomatic for the people 542 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: right in let us know some of your favorite figures 543 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: of speech, turns of phrase, idioms. Also, if you speak 544 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: languages other than English, what's something that you think sounds 545 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: really strange in English but it is very common in 546 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: some other language. That's an episode all its own. There 547 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: are some great ones. Thanks to you, my dear friend, 548 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: my dear old friend, Frank m'haran, coiner of the idiomatic 549 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: for the people, ephemeral friend of the show. And now 550 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: what's the what's the opposite of ephemeral? Concrete, flat lasting, corporate, 551 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: corporeal the show, part of the show. It's been a 552 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: long time comment. Thanks for being here, man, thanks for 553 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: having now. You had to rush over here from from 554 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: work and it means the world. Ruin Nuby, Yeah, thanks 555 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: so much, Ruin you can find You can find Mr 556 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Newby on his own show Pitches, which is a comedy 557 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: podcast about the evaluation of ideas. Correct a panopoly of ideas. 558 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: Right that is correct? Very good word. Yeah, you know 559 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: it's like Shark Tank minus all the stress and money 560 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: and plus all the chatter and and fun and irreverence 561 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: and um yeah, it's it's pretty off the cuff. I 562 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: got Ben Bowling here actually coming up on an episode, 563 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: and I got Noel Brown here on a one that's 564 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: airing today. Do you like them apples? 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Big thanks to 571 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: super producer Casey Pegram, Big thanks to our research associated 572 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: Gabe lose here, and thanks to Alex Williams who composed 573 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: are ever so earwormy theme And as we said in 574 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: previous episode, right it and let us know if there 575 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: were any figures of speech or turns of phrase that 576 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: we used. Unconsciously. I'm sure they were in there. You 577 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: can find my personal Instagram at Ben Bowling and hey Nolan, 578 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: you're on the internet to Yeah, I'm on the insternet 579 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: at at Embryonic Insider double ats. It's the only way 580 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: you can find it. I'm getting just a single app 581 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: Willy nilly, great crack folks. Stay tuned for our next 582 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: episode when we do something that we guarantee will be ridiculous. Yeah, 583 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: that's the least we can guarantee. We'll see you next time.