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Speaker 2: Let's Row.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelk.

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Speaker 3: Joined for the second year to row by Nate Tice,

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Speaker 3: now of the Football three to oh one podcast with

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Speaker 3: Charles McDonald. I just grinded through your like two hour,

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Speaker 3: fifteen minute wide Receiver podcast this morning with with with

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Speaker 3: Matt Harmon. That was a good one. We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: that a whole lot more. Nate, good to see it, man,

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Speaker 3: How are you good.

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Speaker 4: To see as well? I I'm really glad to be here.

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Speaker 4: I actually was just funny. I just came across an

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Speaker 4: old mock draft I had from last December and that's

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Speaker 4: when I first paired the weak Neighbors to the Giants,

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Speaker 4: and it was one of those things where I was like, sometimes,

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Speaker 4: you know, broken clock, broken clock is right twice a day.

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Speaker 4: But the neighbors experience has been a lot of fun. Actually,

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Speaker 4: last year's rookie class for the giants is a lot

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Speaker 4: of fun. So I'm hoping to talk about maybe some

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Speaker 4: more guys.

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Speaker 2: They can get this here, well, I want to break

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Speaker 2: it down. Where are you on your big board right now?

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Speaker 4: I literally I have seventy four of seventy five guys

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Speaker 4: written up. I have my seventy fifth guy. Literally, that's

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Speaker 4: what I was doing before I just hopped onto here guys.

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Speaker 4: Players seventy five. Actually, player seventy five is written up

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Speaker 4: by to write up player seventy four, which is Jalen

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Speaker 4: Royal's receiver from Utah State and my bullet point notes.

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Speaker 4: Just have to put in the pros to make it legible.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, updating the top seventy five, I got the

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Speaker 4: order mostly done. There's a couple of tweaks I gotta do,

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Speaker 4: but it's I'm pretty excited to kind of get that

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Speaker 3: Who's the guy in the top seventy five that maybe

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Speaker 3: he didn't deserve it, but you love him so much

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Speaker 3: you had to put him in, And he's getting in there,

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Speaker 3: come hell or high water.

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Speaker 4: Tory Horton, I know, and I am for sure the

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Speaker 4: high guy and him he's currently sixty eight, but we'll see,

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Speaker 4: but he'll be in that range once it's all said

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Speaker 4: and done. Yeah, he made my top seventy five. I

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Speaker 4: just like him. I just think I watched enough of

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Speaker 4: them last year. He made my initial top fifty going

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Speaker 4: so not a lot of film this year, but productive long.

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Speaker 4: He moves a lot like and I said this on

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Speaker 4: the pod, the Football three oh one pod, was that

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Speaker 4: he moves like DeVante Smith. I'm not saying the same

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Speaker 4: skill level, but they have that long legged build, but

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Speaker 4: they're not stiff yea like they actually can They're actually agile.

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Speaker 4: He was a great punt returner. He has three punt

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Speaker 4: he's got good hands. I actually think his route running's

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Speaker 3: What I like about Horton is that a lot of

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do that. He's he's pretty stunted

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Speaker 4: Yes, stuck is the word. I always kind of come

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Speaker 4: Why I like Totoria McMillan from Arizona is that he's

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Speaker 3: By the way, no one and I've talked tried to

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Speaker 4: And catches everything. And he's a big guy that plays big.

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Speaker 4: Higgins just got paid thirty million dollars runs a four

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Speaker 2: Didn't Aj Green run a four or five. Oh. I mean,

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't matter, that type of body control, it,

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Speaker 3: So two questions. One, I'll start this one. Why aren't

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Speaker 4: Isn't that backwards I've been Still there's just okay. I

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Speaker 4: He has very very few drops in his career, which

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Speaker 4: which shows up when you watch him. There's just something

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Speaker 4: but so was Ted McMillan. But you know so, but

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Speaker 4: I watch Higgins and there's just a little something just missing.

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Speaker 4: something to point to. But that's really what I come

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Speaker 4: to is that he's big, doesn't always play big not soft,

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Speaker 4: It's just that sometimes the hands aren't strong and he

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Speaker 4: that his slot only teammate Jalen Nole, I'm really high on.

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Speaker 4: I love he's actually I actually think he's better at

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Speaker 4: got twenty nine ch arms, got a little t Rex arms.

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Speaker 4: I know giants fan's right enough when Neel Robinson's but

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Speaker 4: it's like Nolan is, Noel has a little more juice

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Speaker 4: back to Higgins, it's just that I think in Matt

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Speaker 4: gets stuck even off coming off the press, come off

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Speaker 4: It's like if you go like I totally find someone

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Speaker 4: I totally get this skill set. He catches the ball,

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Speaker 4: there's enough good stuff. He's a good athlete. Doesn't totally

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Speaker 4: He's just yeah, he's just got a little stiffness to him,

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Speaker 4: I have a kind of a group of receivers. I

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Speaker 4: more hours until this I have to file this, so tough.

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Speaker 3: Man like I Actually I think the Day two wide

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Speaker 3: receiver class is actually really good. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of options in there. So

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Speaker 3: this is the last thing on wide receivers. We all

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Speaker 3: learn doing this process.

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Speaker 2: Every year. We learn new lessons.

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Speaker 3: We figure things out as we go go back. Like

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Speaker 3: when I thought about Jayden Daniels last year, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he could throw over the middle.

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Speaker 3: All his productions on slot fades, and Kurt Warner said

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Speaker 3: something to me. He goes, John, don't criticize somebody for

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Speaker 3: not doing something they're not asked to do. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, it's a really good point. And I

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Speaker 3: look back and I think I probably held that against

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Speaker 3: Jada Daniels. So I'm curious, you love Jalen Polk last

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Speaker 3: year when you look back at that evaluation, do you

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Speaker 4: I think some of it some of it was situation, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: That was bad?

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Speaker 4: No, but I would say I may be valued And

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Speaker 2: Two part follow up on Carter. One.

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Speaker 4: I don't want anyone that's obsessed with Carter and I

431
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Speaker 4: think he's a top five pick like I do. It's

432
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Speaker 4: just that that's why I want to harp on these

433
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879
Speaker 4: things because that's the difference between being, oh yeah, a

434
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Speaker 4: good starter and an All Pro. And that's what when

435
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Speaker 4: you're drafting a guy top five to be an All

436
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Speaker 4: Pro or a Pro Bowl or not just a good starter. So, uh,

437
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 4: who's the I'm trying to think the Giants defensive line

438
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 4: coach still.

439
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Speaker 2: Is uh the Patterson from God?

440
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Carter will get that. He'll get Patterson will fix

441
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Speaker 4: that up.

442
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Speaker 2: He's a great coach, great coach.

443
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Speaker 4: He's unbelievable. Yeah, no, I know, I know coach Patterson

444
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 4: very well.

445
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Speaker 3: He coached I would imagine from from your time with

446
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Speaker 3: the Vikings, right yep.

447
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so he yes him. He was the d

448
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 4: line coach when my dad was the old line coach

449
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 4: way back in the day with the Viking.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he he.

451
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Speaker 3: He has told as many John Randall stories. Let me

452
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 3: tell you, there's been many John Randall's stories told.

453
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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

454
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Speaker 4: He asked him about Jerry Ball.

455
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Speaker 2: I've never asked about Jerry Ball basketball.

456
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,400
Speaker 4: Jerry Ball. Jerry Ball is a player. Jerry Ball looks

457
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Speaker 4: like a player named Jerry Ball. That's that's all. I wait.

458
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Speaker 3: Was Jerry Ball was? Did he also play for the

459
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Speaker 3: Lions as a as a nose tackle that Jerry Ball?

460
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Speaker 4: Or is that a different believe So he bounced somewhere

461
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Speaker 4: else because he went Vikings somewhere else Vikings, yeah, line, No,

462
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 4: you're right, he started with the Lions with.

463
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Speaker 2: The lines right. Yeah, you know, I remember that Tecmo

464
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I think he was.

465
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Speaker 4: Is eighty seven to ninety two, So yeah, that's yes.

466
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 4: Hey man, that's if you want to learn about a sport,

467
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 4: play the video game. Like all my soccer knowledge is

468
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 4: from playing video games.

469
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Speaker 3: That was only like eleven, so lord knowes, I'm not

470
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Speaker 3: breaking down the tape, but that's for some reason.

471
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Speaker 4: Jerry bulls, I know, yeah, but uh no, But to

472
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Speaker 4: answer your question, like Giants is a good landing spot

473
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Speaker 4: for for Carter because of the coaching and Parrison's not

474
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Speaker 4: gonna and also there's other guys there. Carter is not

475
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Speaker 4: going to be half the dude if he came to

476
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Speaker 4: I mean New York or Cleveland like he did. There's

477
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 4: other weapons up front that that's gonna help him out.

478
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Speaker 4: I'm very even if they don't say Carter, I'm or Hunter.

479
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 4: I'm actually very bullish on the Giants defense this season.

480
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 4: I was bullshowing him last year. Then I realized, okay something,

481
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 4: so can we stop them on third and twelve once?

482
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Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that when you're play in like

483
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 3: four corners that are like twenty two years old, do

484
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: you tend to have problems?

485
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 4: Mistakes happen. Mistakes happened, especially on third down, which are

486
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,479
Speaker 4: very complicated coverages and very complicated offensive schemes.

487
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 3: So especially in that defensive scheme where you know he's

488
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Speaker 3: trying to bullish on the disguise things move guys around

489
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Speaker 3: and movement.

490
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm but I'll come back. I mean, they come

491
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Speaker 4: back to that. Take this offseason is I'm still bullish

492
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Speaker 4: on the Giants defense. You know, we'll figure out the offense,

493
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Speaker 4: but defense. I really think it'll come together, especially for

494
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 4: some of those free agent splashes.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that, all right.

496
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Speaker 3: I don't want to spend too much time in the quarterbacks,

497
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: but as in as an ex quarterback, I feel like

498
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Speaker 3: I need to ask you about him, Cam Woard, I'm

499
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 3: gonna throw at him.

500
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: He's got it, He's good gone.

501
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: How do you see Shador Sanders as a former quarterback?

502
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: Is he closer to the Shuck Dart mill Row tier?

503
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Speaker 3: Is he closer to the Ward tier? When if you're

504
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Speaker 3: in a neutral situation, would you consider selecting him in

505
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Speaker 3: this draft?

506
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Speaker 4: I consider him more what you just mentioned, the second

507
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 4: group mill Row even for me Riley Leonard, because I'm

508
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,719
Speaker 4: the one guy that like the one guy man, the

509
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 4: one guy. Jeremy Fowler came out yesterday and said, Hey,

510
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 4: the league likes Riley Leonard more than the media and

511
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 4: public doing it was like, damn right, they do. I

512
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 4: have no idea if they do.

513
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Speaker 2: But I am the league.

514
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Speaker 4: I am the league. Yeah exactly. I am the one

515
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 4: that knocks no. But the the shuder has a lot

516
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Speaker 4: of red flags, and notly just the sack taking, which

517
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Speaker 4: I know of the offensive line, and man, poor Phil Loholt,

518
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 4: who was the offensive line coach there, who's now at

519
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 4: Mississippi State. I actually thought they had some good rules.

520
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 4: It was just, you know, sometimes the talent wasn't there.

521
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: I also thought the scheme was very wide open. It

522
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: was like a seven on seven passing attack. There's no

523
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Speaker 4: attached tight end. Everybody's spread out. They are not running

524
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 4: the ball. They were just throwing a bunch of screens.

525
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 4: I already mentioned that with Hunter it was good, but

526
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 4: that was their offense. Saying whenever a quarterback takes a

527
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 4: lot of sacks. This was a little blemish for Jane

528
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Speaker 4: Daniels last year. Wasn't little blumish. It was a big

529
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: bumish because he was such an outlier in that regard.

530
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: Is okay, if you take a lot of sex, why

531
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: all right?

532
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: Is it?

533
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 4: Pocket movement? Is it the offensive line? Is it? Lack

534
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 4: of athleticism? And with Colorado and with sha Dr I

535
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Speaker 4: don't think. I think he's just an adequate athlete, build

536
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Speaker 4: long speed as he gets going. As a scrambler, he's

537
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Speaker 4: efficient scrambler. It's just that he's not twitchy. He's not

538
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: very quick. And okay, so you're not twitching, not very quick,

539
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 4: So I means you have to win from the pocket,

540
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: all right, How do you win from the pocket? All right?

541
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Speaker 4: First reads there, clean pocket, That ball is great, accurate,

542
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 4: he's got some zip on it, tight spiral, he can

543
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 4: cut through wind all that stuff. As soon as he

544
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 4: has to get off the first read. As soon as

545
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 4: the picture unfolds, how he wasn't expecting it. As soon

546
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 4: as he just feels a little shakiness in the pocket,

547
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: things came unraveled. Jane Daniels has some of the one

548
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 4: and done reads. That's where I was like, I just

549
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 4: want to see him progress on some stuff. Any huge

550
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 4: show it. Sometimes he's bound backwards in the pocket. But

551
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, this guy's older, hopefully he

552
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 4: has more poul. Thing was Jane Daniels run a four

553
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 4: to three. Everybody he runs he can get the edge

554
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: and also on top of it. And this is something

555
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 4: that was what he played in college. Jane was very accurate,

556
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: especially short intermediate, and he had a quick, consistent throwing style.

557
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: So boom boom can get if he's know those reads,

558
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 4: boom that ball is getting out. Put it on the spot.

559
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 4: Watch how much what do you do with Terry McLaurin.

560
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 4: I was shudure and there's just so many times where

561
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: it was like they you just mentioned, it's more of

562
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 4: a college off and some of the passing schemes were

563
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 4: like day one, day two installed for the NFL, which

564
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: makes sense, patch tremmer if it's coordinator, and some of

565
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: those concepts, and this is what house being former quarterback,

566
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: is that known. Some of the concepts. There are half

567
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: field reads, so meaning if it's too high, you go

568
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 4: to the side, but it's single high, you go to

569
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Speaker 4: the side, and this is fine. There's a lot of quarters.

570
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: There's Dak Prescott still like these types of concepts like

571
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 4: that's which is a whole other conversation, but he there's

572
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that like these The sprinkle me because they're nice

573
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Speaker 4: and easy for the QB, nice, easy to teach. My

574
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 4: issue started lying was, Okay, I have now watched six games.

575
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 4: You should hear I've seen this dang high low what

576
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 4: I call rap, which is the little hitch and whip

577
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: route with the dig behind it. YEPI always always, But

578
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: the thing was, there's never anticipation. There was never if

579
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 4: that wasn't open or something that got foggy. You have

580
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 4: no idea what was about to unfold. There was never

581
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 4: a check down. There was never him working to the

582
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 4: other side, which was the single high side. He was

583
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 4: just basically predetermining, I'm going to the dig side. And

584
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 4: again this is these are all sliding scale conundrums. So

585
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 4: it's if Shoulder was twenty years old, first second year starting,

586
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm willing to wave that way a little bit, you know,

587
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: good athlete that doesn't win. That's way he's supposed to

588
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: be in a supreme processor. It has It's to me,

589
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: it's projection. It's not what he is showing when I

590
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 4: watch him on film.

591
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: Same for Jackson dor By the way, same deal.

592
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, same for Jackson dar I'm not saying all

593
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: to say I'm high on Jackson Dart either, the exact

594
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 4: same thing. That's the exact same thing with Jackson Dart,

595
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: even worse probably, but it was Shudur. It's just that. Okay.

596
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: So you have what i'll call average tools. What you're

597
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 4: not overwhelmingly big. You wait, two twelve under six to

598
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: two that's not big, perhaps, so I means you're two

599
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 4: h five during the season, I would guess you run

600
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: a four eight and change. Okay, that's I mean, Bake

601
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield ran a lot better than that, you know, okay,

602
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: and he's probably the baseline for like I'm able to

603
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: escape the pocket. He is the floor, okay, all right,

604
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: and then you need work progressing from the pocket, and

605
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: you need work with feel from the pocket. That's day two.

606
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: To me, that that's that's not first round. That's not

607
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 4: trading up for first round. That's definitely not top ten.

608
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: I see others have kind of come to this conclusion.

609
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: But it's just what we'll see on draft night. But

610
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 4: a draft weekend, I should say. But it's just one

611
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: of those there's a lot of blemishes, and I think

612
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 4: he's more of a project than he's being made out

613
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 4: to be as far as just work from the pocket

614
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: without having the tools to really make him exciting. So

615
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have felt there's a great disconnect.

616
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people are talking about personalitything,

617
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: and this is the line I want to always say,

618
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: is that it's the classic scout line. If Hannibal Elector

619
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: ran a four to three, scouts and coaches would just

620
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: say he had an eating disorder, Teams do not. I

621
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 4: mean how did Giants get Eli Manning? They he threw

622
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: fit and didn't want to go to the Chargers. They

623
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 4: do not care if you're good enough. So I think

624
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: what happened with the whole conversations about Shader is that

625
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: the evaluators, the gms, the head coaches, the directors and

626
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: player personnel, these guys quarterback coaches start getting eyeballs and

627
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: they just went that's it, as opposed to oh, this

628
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 4: meeting or that meeting, or that they could care less

629
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: like they could, but that's only going to go so far.

630
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: If you can play, you can play. So yeah, long

631
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: story short, I view Sanders as a D two guy

632
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: along with about four other guys I haven't about the

633
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 4: same tier, but I can serve all those guys the

634
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: same tier, all the guys you just mentioned, Milroe, Dart,

635
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: all that stuff. Actually, my little spoiler for my Big

636
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 4: Boards surprised myself as I put Milroe above Dart, because

637
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: I think it's the same argument. I don't love love

638
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 4: Milroe's film. He's got me sounded like Bill Pollyan sometimes,

639
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: but it's just that it's when I watched that and

640
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: then I watched Dart, it's the same argument. This this

641
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 4: guy needs time to learn to progress. He's once it's

642
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: one and done. Okay, they're off script and they have

643
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 4: to get into creation mode. I'll take the guy with

644
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: excellent tools as opposed to good tools. And now that's

645
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Speaker 4: really just that's the argument for me.

646
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Speaker 3: I was higher on mil and then I saw him

647
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: throwing person at the Senior Bowl and it completely messed

648
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Speaker 3: me up.

649
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean it was he was liberty dude.

650
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: He looked like Chuck Knoblock with the yips from like

651
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Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety nine Yankee.

652
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 4: He couldn't take his neither.

653
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Speaker 2: It was bad.

654
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: Didn't either Dart. I couldn't believe Dart and Sandy or

655
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: tartan Sanders. Dart and Milroe had a hype after the

656
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl. Because I was watching that, I think they

657
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: can't take a snap, Like, what are we doing? I know, Yeah,

658
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 4: that was weird to me. Not Riley Leonard. I thought

659
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: he had a good way.

660
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: I have managed to push him back up again because

661
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm imagining the athleticism. He could be a package player

662
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: early and then you know the arm and the quick release.

663
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: But anyway, I couldpare him with Cordel Stewart. I said, yeah,

664
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Speaker 4: I think that's a good thep side of mill Roe

665
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Speaker 4: is Cordell Stewart, Cordel start round two, like.

666
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Speaker 2: Get these two and twenty pounds. That dude could be

667
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: a running back if you want him to. It's believable.

668
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: Vision is And this, this is the joke I said

669
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: about Bill Pon. You know, if people don't know Bill

670
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: Poone said Lamar Jackson's player receiver, which I was like,

671
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: hilarious in the in the moment and still funny now.

672
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 4: But Milroe legitimately has excellent running back vision as a

673
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: runner excellent and I and that's why I don't want

674
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: to say, like, oh, he has some move positions. I'm

675
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: just saying that's more how good of a runner he is.

676
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Speaker 4: And that raises his floor ex right, yes it does,

677
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: and it gives you, oh we gotta throw him out

678
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Speaker 4: there whatever we can get something out of this.

679
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Speaker 2: So I spent my morning before I jumped on with you.

680
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: You're doing your big board.

681
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: I was trying to sort through round two and round

682
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: three edge rushers, Nate and there is a klomp of

683
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: guys right there. Am I wrong for liking Jack Sawyer

684
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: more than two? Omalu out of Ohio State no, I

685
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Speaker 3: have them.

686
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: I've because they've been on my radar for now two

687
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: years because I thought they were going to come out

688
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, so did I I feel like I've

689
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: watched I felt like I apparaently have to watch them now.

690
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: Was great. I was like, yep, you're the same player

691
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: that I watched last year. Okay, cool, here's my ride

692
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: up done.

693
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Speaker 3: Soyers like you took Aiden Hutchinson but just shrunk them

694
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Speaker 3: down in like a little mini form. He's still good

695
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Speaker 3: with his hands. He just wins with his hands all

696
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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 4: Sawyer is forty six on my board and Tumol is

698
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Speaker 4: forty seven. Oh, I can't help myself. And I didn't

699
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Speaker 4: realize I did that until I, well.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

701
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: Like started stacking him and I'm like and then I

702
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: am like trying to find someone to put in between them.

703
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, this is it. But I like Sawyer

704
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: just a little bit more. I know a lot of

705
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: people are saying, oh, they only want people only watched

706
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: the college football playoff. It's like, no, I've been watching

707
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: this freaking guy for several years now. I originally thought

708
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: of him when I first evaluated him last year. Was

709
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Speaker 4: I mean I was like, this guy's Baltimore Raven. Uh,

710
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: just very like he's a jack of all trades, you know.

711
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: Sorry forgive the pun. It's just that previously he was

712
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: an edge. He would do some linebacker stuff. He'd move

713
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Speaker 4: across the formation depending on what they wanted. And I

714
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 4: was like, and I thought he was so strong. I

715
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: thought he was active. I thought he fires off the ball.

716
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: I actually think he's a better athlete, and he gets

717
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Speaker 4: credit for the length of course is going to concern teams,

718
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: and so that's where his value gets dinged, and I

719
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: think it shows up, you know. But I thought his

720
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Speaker 4: hand usage and how strong his hands were was able

721
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Speaker 4: and how active he was is why he was able

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Speaker 4: to contribute. I'm not saying this guy is gonna be

723
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Speaker 4: a star or anything, but it's like if this guy's

724
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Speaker 4: part of your three part edge rope players, you know,

725
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Speaker 4: if your top three edges, I think he just contributes

726
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: a lot of good snaps. Like he just is a positive,

727
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Speaker 4: winning player, you know, even row I say he has

728
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 4: no singular standout trade, but his ability to line across

729
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: the front and he can be an interesting ske skeleton

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Speaker 4: t type player you get pass rush front Okay, put

731
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Speaker 4: him here. Hey, we want you to spy the quarterback.

732
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Speaker 4: You can do that a little bit, because I actually

733
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Speaker 4: think he can run him down. He's a good tackler.

734
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Speaker 4: I don't know these guys that just doute And sorry

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Speaker 4: for swearing, but I was just say just dot like,

736
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Speaker 4: I don't know. These guys are the ones that stick

737
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Speaker 4: in the league even if if they passed the athletic thresholds.

738
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Speaker 4: We're good. And so that's why I want Sawyer. But

739
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Speaker 4: then Tumola I like too. It's just that he's a

740
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Speaker 4: pocket pusher. I don't think he's ever gonna be a

741
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Speaker 4: true ace. But you mentioned Aidan Hutchinson. For Sawyer is

742
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: like a shrunk version. I would love like Tumol paired

743
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Speaker 4: with like an Aiden Hutchinson. Yeah, more Finessey, bendy pass rusher,

744
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: and then you get the pocket pusher that.

745
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Speaker 2: Is long and powerful. He's long and power.

746
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Speaker 4: He knows what he is. Everybody knows what he does.

747
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: Everybody knows his fastball's coming. Can you stop the fastball?

748
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: Can you hit the fastball? That that's what he is.

749
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: I like him. He's rugged decent athlete, but yeah, plays

750
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: a running pass equally well. Again, neither of these guys

751
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: are gonna be ten sack guys. But Tumol can be

752
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: a six to eight sack guy and play good against

753
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: the run as well. It's just it's a flavor thing

754
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: as well. But I like both of them. I really do.

755
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Speaker 2: So. I showed up at the Senior Bowl.

756
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Speaker 3: I had not want the UCLA linebacker Ola dejo Femi,

757
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Speaker 3: and I was wowed by him at the Senior Ball.

758
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: I'm on the field watching those edge rushing snaps and

759
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: just his size and his strength, the ferocity he played

760
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Speaker 3: with no one could block him.

761
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Speaker 2: He was really really good.

762
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Speaker 3: Then I went back and I watched the tape and

763
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this does not look like the same guy

764
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Speaker 3: that I watched at the Senior Bowl.

765
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Speaker 2: I didn't think the tape kind of matched.

766
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Speaker 3: How do you sort through a guy that much like

767
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: got to do a quarter it's his first year there.

768
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: You could tell you he has no clue what he's

769
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: doing on these pass rush moves. Like his hand usage

770
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: is terrible, Like he doesn't know what he's doing with

771
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: the sands. I I think I saw two rip moves

772
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Speaker 3: and that was the extent of his hand uses a

773
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Speaker 3: swipe rip. How do you figure out a guy like

774
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: that who I think has the tools to be really good,

775
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: but clearly just has so much work left to do.

776
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: These are your day two dart throws. That's a guy

777
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Speaker 4: that goes in the second round because the team goes, well,

778
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Speaker 4: really he's a third rounder, but he's not gonna be

779
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: there when we're picking the third round, so it's take

780
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Speaker 4: him the second round. That's how these things happen. It's truly,

781
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: it's that's why I think there's a couple of guys

782
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: that would go in the end of the first that

783
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: I could see that happening, like like a Mason Taylor

784
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 4: or at tight end where it's just like, oh, he's

785
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Speaker 4: not gonna be there for the second, so let's take

786
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Speaker 4: him twenty ninth.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's also very safe, and in a draft

788
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: where there's so like Pete guys are all over the place, Yep,

789
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: Taylor's a I don't think he's ever go far, but

790
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: he is a safe, safe player.

791
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: Safe as value, and again, safe sometimes always means bad athlete.

792
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: You know, that's always code for that. Uh you know,

793
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: you know Taylor is safe and he's a great athlete.

794
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: It's just that he's he's well rounded. Yeah, a balanced player,

795
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: but no, but I just think any day to or

796
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: any player like that where it's like, Okay, this guy,

797
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: this guy tries, you know, he's got athletics. Somebody has

798
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: no idea what he's doing. Really, that's where character kind

799
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: of comes in to play and interviews. Is he a

800
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: hard worker? Is he? Why? Is he kind of raw?

801
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: Is it? Oh? And then you look at like does

802
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: he have bad coaching? I'm not speaking, I don't know.

803
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: You see always assistant coaches, you know, but those things too,

804
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, did he come to a position late?

805
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: Like you said, So when a guy has those flashes

806
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: and has traits that in the weirdest way, that's where

807
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: the intangibles come in more than maybe a guy steady

808
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: Eddy is because that you go, is it just because

809
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: he doesn't work hard? Has he not been working out like?

810
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 4: You know? Does he love football? You know? Not saying

811
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Speaker 4: any of these things, but those are the questions come

812
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Speaker 4: in because then then that's where the projection comes in.

813
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: This is the the high high upside of this is

814
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: Daniel Hunter, which is this guy's a freak and he

815
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 4: works his butt off. He has no idea what he's

816
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: doing and then he turned into an easy TENSAC guy

817
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: defensive Player of the Year candidate last year. But essentially

818
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 4: or you know, top five, you know, because he just

819
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: kept working and he was so young. So that's like,

820
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: that's kind of what again, You're gauging the whole player

821
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: profile and all these positions too, like Tyler Taylor, Tyler Shock.

822
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: The tape is a chunk of the resume. You know,

823
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 4: the player profile that's seventy percent, but some guys it's

824
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Speaker 4: ninety five percent because it's so good or so bad,

825
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: YadA YadA. But then you start filling in the rest

826
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Speaker 4: of the profile to you know, medicals, character all that,

827
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: to fill it all out, and then that's how you

828
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: kind of gauge them. But it's it's a sweet science,

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Speaker 4: it really is.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for all.

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Speaker 3: Keep getting Better Nate Tye joining us from Yahoo Sports

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Speaker 3: Football three oh one podcast. You've to talk about the big

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00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: men on the offensive line. Nate Giants pick a thirty four,

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00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: I think they could use a guard. I also think

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00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: he'd use a guy with some tackle flex because I

841
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: think Andrew Thomas hasn't hurt so much. If you have

842
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: to move a lumin order left tackle, you want someone

843
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: that can step in a right tackle.

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Speaker 2: Anybody in that thirty four spot.

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Speaker 3: I do think you get a drop off pretty quick

846
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Speaker 3: at the tackle position in this draft.

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Speaker 2: Guards, I think go a little bit deeper.

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Speaker 3: Who do you think could that you like that could

849
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Speaker 3: be there at thirty four that could help the Giants

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Speaker 3: offensive one if.

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Speaker 4: You if we got this maybe before combined, it would

852
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Speaker 4: been Gray Gray as a Bell from North Dakota State,

853
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Speaker 4: but I know he doesn't really have tackle flex. He

854
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 4: may be in a pinch, but he's a guard center type.

855
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 4: But I think he's going to be hot. Donovan Jackson

856
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: from Ohio State would be the guy. I'm super high

857
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: on him. He's in my top thirty. I think he's

858
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: a guard. But the fact that his tackle tape when

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00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: he had a bump out there because of Josh Simmons

860
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: was actually solid, especially as he kind of developed. But

861
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: I think he's a dynamite guard. I have him over

862
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: Tyler Booker, who I know some people are high on

863
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: like because I just think Booker's very scheme dependent. Yes,

864
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: power player, Yeah, power player. Some offenses are going to

865
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: love him some or never even talk to him. But

866
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: you know, you, guy like Jackson makes a lot of sense.

867
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 4: He's got power, he's got athletic ability, He's got plenty

868
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: of experience as well. Played in a good winning program

869
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 4: as well. I've heard good things about him as as

870
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 4: a character. He's long, you know that that matters too.

871
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, yeah, he can play tackle on a pinch,

872
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: but he's got thirty two in charms that what no

873
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: actually has length that you can maybe do it in

874
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 4: the pinch. So Jackson is a guy that that would

875
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 4: make total sense. I think that's his rain suwmer twenty

876
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: six to thirty five thirty six, so like, that's kind

877
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: of his range, and I think that'd be a great

878
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: fit for them. Calvin Banks if he falls that far,

879
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 4: but I don't think he will, would be it would

880
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: be another one. And then if you're throwing a guy

881
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: I'm super high on, uh, it would be Marcus Mabou

882
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: from Purdue.

883
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: Uh. He can move. I have a good athlete.

884
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: Yep, he's a guard. I don't think he can play

885
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: tackle at all, but I think he's a really good athlete.

886
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: He's got cool hand usage. Not gonna be for everybody,

887
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: but actually more people like him than maybe I thought.

888
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: I thought I have him at thirty three on my board,

889
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 4: but I'm definitely the high guy. I think he's in

890
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: the sixties on the consensus.

891
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: Similar question defensive tackle around that same spot, Giants want

892
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: to try to put someone next to Dexter Lawrence.

893
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: You can kind of do anything they've been trying to do,

894
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: like some beef, haven't they like? They because he.

895
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: Because they've done They had A'shawn Robinson there two years

896
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: that actually worked well stop in the run.

897
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, because to me, dex and Warrents just such a

898
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: unique player. That's like, you know, he's a nose. He's

899
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 4: big and burly, but he's like a gap shooter early down.

900
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: You want to put him in the three technique, You're

901
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: fine like that, You're fine.

902
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: That's and so that's where I was kind of again,

903
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: is that maybe the defensive tackle you want with him

904
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: is kind of like a burly guy, like a brawler

905
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: like that. That is really TYLERK Williams, another Hiow State guy.

906
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: That's one that's the exact range or early second is

907
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: where I think he goes. He's probably not going to

908
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 4: give you a lot of pass rush juice yep. But

909
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: he's a good athlete. Actually he moves well. But that

910
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 4: guy is gonna eat up blocks.

911
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Dalvin Tomlinson, a former Giant.

912
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that is a great comparison for him, but

913
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: you know, he's a good athlete where it's like he's

914
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: not a non factor against the rust, but you're not

915
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: asking him to get six acts. He'll throw in a couple,

916
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: But that's a guy Walter Nolan might be gone before then.

917
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: He's a super super athletic player, very inconsistent, not exactly

918
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 4: my type of flavor. I have him in the in

919
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 4: my thirties on my big board, but he honestly could

920
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: go in the teens. Just he his teams are all

921
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 4: over the place with him, so that that'd be another

922
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: one too that but he'd be he'd be a different

923
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: type of flavor, a little more dynamic. I would love

924
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: to put him with Patterson actually because that'd be actually

925
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: be a coach that can maybe get the most out

926
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: of him. So Nolan would be another one out there,

927
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: out there.

928
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: I jumped off the edge already.

929
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: I should ask you, do you have a favorite edge

930
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: in that kind of second group once you get past

931
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: the Abdul Carter, Mike or maybe you know Michael Williams that.

932
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what you think about these guys, who

933
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: are your favorite edge of guys?

934
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: I do at Michael Willings pretty high. I end up

935
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 4: giving Mike Green. So it was, you know, Abdill Carter's

936
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 4: edge one and then Mike Gream's edge two just because

937
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 4: the sack up side. He's the eleventh on my big board. Actually, yeah,

938
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: just guys, don't it's hard to find guys like a

939
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: bend like that. You mentioned the Von Milverer thing. He's

940
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: kind of a diet Coke von Miller to me, you know,

941
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: some concerns about the size, but plays really hard, tries

942
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: against the run. He's gonna have a you was getting

943
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: overwhelmed against the run, like it's it's different than Carter

944
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: Carter sometimes it's like he's indifferent. Green's gonna try. It's

945
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: just that physically he can't do it. He did his

946
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: tiny hands and shorter arms.

947
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: So he really dropped his shoulder against some guys in

948
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: the run game on that tape. Man like he he

949
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: tries to set tries, he tries.

950
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: Yes, and he's short yardage. He's trying to knife in

951
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: there and make some big plays like he this type

952
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: of skill set. It's just like this, these are the

953
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: guys that get sacks. Like that's why it looks so

954
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: different than the other guys you're watching, and so I'm

955
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: bet on that upside. I like him in the team somewhere.

956
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: There's some character stuff, but like the teams I talk

957
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: to are like kind of shrugged at it, like so

958
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I don't want to talk anything about it.

959
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 4: But it's just like that's that's also has to be

960
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: part of his package, you know, part of his player profile.

961
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: But right behind him at twelve is mikel Williams from Georgia.

962
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be an a maybe even a

963
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: plus run defender, and I think, no matter what, that's

964
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: his floor. I also like he battled injuries this year

965
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: and understand like wasn't the most overwhelming tester as far

966
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: as forties, but I think he's explosive and in a

967
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: phone booth in a five yard area, he can burst

968
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: to the ball and make plays. I also think the

969
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: thing with Michel these two, I keep going back and

970
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 4: forth on who I like better, but because they're just

971
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: different types of edges. The thing with mikel is he

972
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 4: just doesn't have any bad plays. Like you might not

973
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: have the most exceptional play sometimes, but there's there's not

974
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 4: bad out there. Like his worst is okay, Like, okay,

975
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: he didn't make the play, but he didn't get moved

976
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 4: off the point. He didn't get the sack, but guess what,

977
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: he pushed the tackle back a couple of yards. You know,

978
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't the greatest play you've

979
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 4: ever seen. To me that he's twenty years old, freak,

980
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: I think a very good athlete. I know the speed

981
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 4: wasn't there, but I think he's gonna jump really well

982
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: once he does the jumps. I don't know that and

983
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: plays hard. Everyone loves him long. That's the guy.

984
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

985
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: I just think his floor is high for a twenty

986
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: year old that has ability to maybe get more as

987
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: a pass rusher, that's a profile I'll bet on. Like

988
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: that for the weirdest way. He feels safe to me

989
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: in the weirdest way, even though I know there's so

990
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: much there's some projection with him because I just watched him.

991
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, this guy is not a bad Like, there's

992
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: no bad on here on top of having a lot

993
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: of good out there. And I already can see a

994
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 4: path to being a good starter, which is that he's

995
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 4: gonna be dynamite against the run. So if you're an

996
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: A against the run and you start as a C

997
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 4: against the past, but we even get that to be minus,

998
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: oh yeah, we're cooking like that's a very good player.

999
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 4: So I'm really high on mikel If you can't.

1000
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: Tell everyone I have on I have to ask about

1001
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: the running backs because there's so many good ones and

1002
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: so many different flavors. Everyone has a different one that's

1003
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: their favorite. Doesn't have to be the guy number one

1004
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: on you board. Just give me the guy that Nate

1005
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: Tice loves to watch at the running back position in

1006
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: this class.

1007
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and this is I'm definitely high on him.

1008
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: Devin Neil in Kansas. I'm a sucker for arm I

1009
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 4: think I'm keeping him in my top fifty. I'm I'm

1010
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: the only one probably in the world that has it.

1011
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: I have him the same greatest. So in this again,

1012
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: this type fit in this running back class is more

1013
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: than any any other position. There's a lot of good ones.

1014
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: I think I have ten or eleven with third round

1015
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: grades are better, which to me is a you're either

1016
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 4: a starter, full blown, you know, taking the majority shares

1017
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: of a room, or you are a fifty to fifty guy.

1018
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: You know.

1019
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: Okay, right now I have eleven, and I think I

1020
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: have a couple more guys that still need to watch.

1021
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: I would say there's like two or three more that

1022
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: I'm like a half step like I could easily see

1023
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: going that people are higher on than me, you know,

1024
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: like RJ. Harvey is probably a guy I'm lower on

1025
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: than other people. I just don't see it with him.

1026
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: But it's but talking about good Devin Neil actually reminds

1027
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 4: me of a more juiced up Devin Singletary and also

1028
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 4: a you know, a fint sized version. He's not that small,

1029
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: he's like five nine two twelve, but a smaller version

1030
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: of David Montgomery, like but that archetype of player, shifty,

1031
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: really good vision. I think, doesn't have long speed, he

1032
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: tested like that, but I'm not concerned by it because again,

1033
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: I use this term a lot with other positions. But

1034
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: he's a double sater me and another guy that just

1035
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: doesn't have any bad on his tape. He's a good

1036
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: pass protector, he's got good hands, doesn't have a lot

1037
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: of negative runs. He's always getting the most efficient runs

1038
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: and can get a little more. He can make one

1039
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: guy miss consistently. I don't know. I thought Neil was

1040
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: one of the easiest evals, and I feel like I'm

1041
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: the I feel like John Travolta meme and pulp fiction

1042
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: where I'm looking around the room going like what am I?

1043
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: I get that he's not the fastest guy, but like,

1044
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: this is a good running back with production. He's supposed

1045
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: to be a great kid too, So I have him

1046
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 4: and Travon Henderson right next to each other. But the

1047
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: thing is, I love Henderson. It's just that I think

1048
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: his role in the NFL is not a true starter.

1049
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: It's a you know, he's gonna have to split it,

1050
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: just like he did in college. I think everyone's in

1051
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: agreement with this, But this is where how I just

1052
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: value you guys. If I think he is going to

1053
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: be an excellent pass protector and he's gonna be able

1054
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: to take the ball to the house. That is value.

1055
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: Don't like him running between the tackles. I think his

1056
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 4: vision he tries to bounce things a little too much.

1057
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: But I just really like him. But I just want

1058
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: to use that as a way that I Neil head

1059
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 4: of Henderson. I think Henderson's more talented, but the role

1060
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 4: in the league is Neil is going to be, to

1061
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: me an innings eater, a guy that can get fifteen

1062
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: touches the game. Well, Henderson I think is more of

1063
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: a sprinkle in fifty to fifty guy. But yeah, Neil.

1064
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: And then the other one would be Damian Martinez running

1065
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: back from Miami, no nonsense. I think he has good vision, tempoing.

1066
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: I think he's a monster on gap runs because of

1067
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: his tempoing and his vision. Not a magnet for contact.

1068
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 4: But he's a bruiser like some bruisers like Javonte Williams.

1069
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, he breaks a lot of tackles. He's like, yeah,

1070
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: he runs towards a lot of tackles too. Damian Martinez

1071
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: actually has vision to kind of stay away from stuff,

1072
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: which I really like and just gonna make a guy

1073
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: missed with shiftiness or he can run him over and

1074
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: he always just falls forward. So yeah, Damian Martinez is

1075
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: another guy. He's I think I had him in my

1076
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: top sixty. I don't know. He's another guy. I just

1077
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: been like, I think this is an easy eval like

1078
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 4: what am I missing here? But yeah, so Martinez, Martinez

1079
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 4: and Neil are kind of my guys of this running

1080
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: back class.

1081
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: All right, final question. We got two minutes. You can

1082
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: go this any direction you want. Who's Nate Tice's like

1083
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: favorite guy to watch in this class? Any position, guy

1084
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: that you just love and you think you like more

1085
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: than everybody else.

1086
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: I mean more than anybody else. I was gonna say

1087
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: Ash and Genty.

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00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: But.

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00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty universal.

1090
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I know, all right. Johat Campbell's another one

1091
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 4: of those. But if I'm gonna have spice it up,

1092
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: it has to be an offensive lineman. And that's Josh Connolly,

1093
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 4: junior tackle from Oregon.

1094
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: And the first time great on him.

1095
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 4: I like him too, he is I give him a

1096
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 4: nice healthy bump. I've had him in a top thirty throughout

1097
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: this whole certain mid season before the season, I had

1098
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 4: in my top fifty, like in the thirty late thirties forties,

1099
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 4: because I was like, Okay, there's some talent here. He's

1100
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: got a lot to clean up YadA YadA than I

1101
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: did to my updated Big Boy of Halloween. He made

1102
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: my top thirty and I want to say that was

1103
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 4: where my first play of that flag. Guy just rapidly

1104
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 4: improved this year and moves like a shit left tackle

1105
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Developed his play strength throughout the season,

1106
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 4: which was my big concern. Still a little bit of

1107
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: a concern, but that was my maybe's a big blemish.

1108
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: But he's young. He's a true junior big recruit, former

1109
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 4: running back, which he got great, great feet, his foot

1110
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: I know, and the guy he moves like. But I

1111
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 4: think this guy's better. And I've said this multiple times.

1112
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 4: He moves like Marshall new House, but he is a

1113
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 4: better version of that. Because Marshall just always had typewriter

1114
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 4: feet like it got him in trouble because he wantn't

1115
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: get a lot, he want to get a lot of

1116
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 4: weight behind it. Connolly gets some weight behind it and

1117
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: his technique it really improved like throughout this year, and

1118
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 4: that's made me very bullsh on him. I have him

1119
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: as a top twenty player. I have him at eighteen.

1120
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, eighteen on my board, and the thing

1121
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: was I was gonna be the high guy and him.

1122
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 4: Then I did my offensive line preview show and I

1123
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 4: had my dad on, former mind coach Mike Tice, and

1124
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: it's his old Iman one and he just takes all

1125
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: the freaking all my hot take all. My big moment

1126
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: I was to have this guy's way up there highering anybody,

1127
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: and he goes, no, he's my number one guy, period,

1128
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 4: and like I was. It made me feel a little

1129
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: better that he because we had no discussions beforehand. I

1130
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: gave him some film to watch and I was like,

1131
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 4: just tell me what you think. We'll do a show.

1132
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: And I was really excited to hear that because I

1133
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: was all right, good, good. And then after we did

1134
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 4: that show, a couple of teams reached out and said

1135
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: told me to shut up about Connorly. They just said, hey, hey,

1136
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: keep it down, keep you down and picking in the twenties.

1137
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: That's the hint I'll say. So, I'm very high in

1138
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 4: carnowily kind of one of my guys. I have him

1139
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 4: as offensive lineman three overall behind men Bowen Campbell. But

1140
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 4: I think if he ends up being the best tackle

1141
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 4: of this group, I would not be shocked because I

1142
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 4: think this is a true, true, true starting left tackle

1143
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: in the NFL.

1144
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 3: So, Nate, you mentioned your big board is dropping soon.

1145
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: We've talked about the three oh one podcast. Anything else

1146
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: fans you keep their eyes on that you have coming out?

1147
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: Big board? Yeah, football three oh one we got and

1148
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: we're doing a draft show Yahoo is you know during

1149
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: the draft. Yeah, so we'll be doing that from LA,

1150
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: not from Green Bay, doing it from LA. But it's yeah,

1151
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: looking forard to that. But yeah, big boy coming up.

1152
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: I got a bunch of profiles and quarterbacks and some

1153
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 4: other guys. I did tight ends Culson lovel One and

1154
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren last week kind of liking love one more,

1155
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 4: which shocked me. But no, just check it out Yahoo

1156
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: all Yaho.

1157
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, I think I'm being swayed

1158
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: on love one too.

1159
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: Surprisingly better blocker than Warren, which I don't think a

1160
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: lot of people like to talk about.

1161
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I know, I think there's some uh some

1162
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 4: narrative scouting that happened, and I.

1163
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: Should be the better blocker. He's just not what you watch.

1164
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: It's just not I know that was one. I'm shocked

1165
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: at myself because I was like, I am glad I

1166
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 4: did this this article because I watched him about I

1167
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: had the way two games on him during the season.

1168
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: That's why I usually do during the season, and then

1169
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: the off season goes position by position, got to the

1170
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: tight ends. I'm like, all right, might as well just

1171
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 4: let's write an article about this because I'm actually interested.

1172
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: I watched love one. I'm like this, he has more

1173
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: potential as a why than Warren does. And everyone's saying

1174
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 4: Warren's like a little mini Gronk and he's more like

1175
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: Dallas Clark. I really like Warren, don't be wrong. Top

1176
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: twenty player for me, easy.

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00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: I think mini armed Gronk maybe yes, yes.

1178
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: And people are like, you didn't say this before the combine.

1179
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 4: It's like it shows up on tape. That's why I'm

1180
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: saying it, just because in the Penn Sake, coaches they

1181
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: knew they would hide him. They would put him on

1182
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: zone runs and away from the point of attack, and

1183
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 4: some of that's to keep him fresh for receiving, but

1184
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 4: some of that is just because why would they have

1185
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: the younger tight end do the harder blocks as opposed

1186
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 4: to the guy that's supposed to be a mini gronk

1187
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 4: makes me sound like I don't like Warren again really

1188
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 4: like him. I just think loved One is a dynamic receiver,

1189
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 4: is younger and has potential to block in line. And

1190
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: I think that his film blocking in line was way

1191
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: better than it's beginning made out to be, Like he

1192
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 4: looked like a Why Having said that, I really like

1193
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: theo Johnson for the Giants, so I'm bullish on him.

1194
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: And even last year when I was high and everyone goes, well,

1195
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 4: Warren is supposed to be the better one, I'm like.

1196
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 5: This is eighty four.

1197
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: This guy can roll a little bit. This guy's bigger

1198
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 4: garrun And then he blew up the combine right or

1199
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 4: his pro day and everyone's like oh wow wow. It's

1200
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah, that's what he looks like.

1201
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: So they always a pleasure man. This was fun. Good

1202
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: luck with the rest of the process and we'll talk

1203
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: again soon.

1204
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: All right, thanks again, John.

1205
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1206
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