Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: Today we are joined with once a Giant, always a
Speaker 2: giant as far as un concerned. So today we are
Speaker 2: joined with Georgia. This is your yellow jacket for life
Speaker 2: as well. I think you know that. But today we
Speaker 2: are joined with Darren Waller tight End New York Giants Raiders.
Speaker 2: But I'm just just Giants, bro, I don't We don't
Speaker 2: talk about other team you Giant for Life's.
Speaker 3: Pleasure to meet you. We followed Kwan. I think has
Speaker 3: some things to say about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he feels like being a giant
Speaker 3: life right now. He's an Eagle for life now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. But Darren, thank you for joining us. Pleasure
Speaker 2: to finally meet you. We've been following each other on
Speaker 2: social media for a few years, so it's a pleasure
Speaker 2: to have you in the studio with us today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate the sport you've been giving us over
Speaker 3: the years as well. Absolutely, I know you don't know
Speaker 3: much about this new segment show entity platform. It is
Speaker 3: still very much new Royal Mall, but we over. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many years, have talked to so many
Speaker 3: athletes and all they want to do is talk about rap.
Speaker 3: They never want to talk talk about it or they
Speaker 3: want to rap. Yes, And I've found that they usually
Speaker 3: have awful hip hop takes, like some of the worst ever.
Speaker 3: So I am but there the same thing about my
Speaker 3: sports takes. So it's okay, we're finding a common ground here.
Speaker 3: But I do kind of want to start at the beginning.
Speaker 3: I know you moved around a lot, from Maryland to
Speaker 3: Colorado to Georgia. What were you listening to early on,
Speaker 3: especially in starting out in Maryland.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was born in Maryland. I was there
Speaker 4: for like a year, and then we moved to Colorado.
Speaker 4: So I was like four, So I don't even remember
Speaker 4: that time. I remember from Georgia just all the way gotcha,
Speaker 4: And I remember my dad would play like all dirty
Speaker 4: bastard in the whip. My dad's from Queens, what part
Speaker 4: of Queens, Jamaica.
Speaker 3: He was giving you that real culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it was like and we came into the house
Speaker 4: or something, me and my sister, and we were singeing
Speaker 4: like ODB lyrics. My mom was like the here and
Speaker 4: this to that ride with my dad, you know. So
Speaker 4: but he was like, you know New York hip hop.
Speaker 4: I know, he like gang star a lot most Yeah,
Speaker 4: I stole his infamous mob Deep CD. That's a good
Speaker 4: I loved. If you go steal a CD, that's the
Speaker 4: one that still temperature rising was. I used to love
Speaker 4: ride around drums ever, Yeah, so that was early on
Speaker 4: for me. A lot of mom loved Michael Jackson and
Speaker 4: all types of everything, and they love smooth jazz, watercolors.
Speaker 4: They always go to jazz festivals and whatnot. So it
Speaker 4: was a wide range.
Speaker 3: And your family is musical, right is your grandfather great grandfather?
Speaker 4: My great grandfather's fast Waller was like a legendary jazz pianist.
Speaker 3: Soh so you guys have a lot of instruments in
Speaker 3: the crib growing up, or they had.
Speaker 4: Us playing piano at like four, taking lessons, and uh,
Speaker 4: I was in band in middle school and then it
Speaker 4: was like not cool to be in banded once you're
Speaker 4: in high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like South is probably cooler than up here.
Speaker 3: What being in the band?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nah?
Speaker 3: They you play sports in the South. Yeah, it's football,
Speaker 3: like you mean, man like that in eighth grade, so
Speaker 3: you know it's time to play ball. But once you
Speaker 3: started like getting into junior high, high school, were you
Speaker 3: still listening to your pops like ninety hip hop Ship,
Speaker 3: were you starting to get more into what was happening
Speaker 3: in Georgia?
Speaker 1: I was getting into what's happening in Georgia. I loved
Speaker 1: Ludacris as a kid.
Speaker 4: By my first two years of high school, I was
Speaker 4: riding around listening to Gucci mixtapes all the time, but
Speaker 4: I still kept the love for like like jay Z
Speaker 4: Black Album was bigg in rotation on my CD player,
Speaker 4: Kanye Graduation, Get Richard.
Speaker 1: I trying like there's a whole bunch of.
Speaker 3: So on on the verses. What side was you on
Speaker 3: between g Z and Gucci?
Speaker 1: Man? I was trying to sit that one out because
Speaker 1: it was just like.
Speaker 4: Pick, but I was probably leading more leaned a little
Speaker 4: bit more Gucci, but it was tough to be like, damn,
Speaker 4: I gotta like not funck with That was such.
Speaker 2: An interesting time like that versus, because I think that
Speaker 2: versus I learned a lot about exactly how many people
Speaker 2: in Georgia.
Speaker 3: I always knew they fucked with Gucci, but.
Speaker 2: That night I learned I was like, oh no, it's
Speaker 2: a different It's a level that I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I think you had to be from Georgia to understand
Speaker 2: exactly the difference between Gucci and GEEZI as far as
Speaker 2: people from Georgia concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, following Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I got to college, I started to understand more
Speaker 3: because you know, people from the South, for some weird reason,
Speaker 3: came up north to go to college and they started
Speaker 3: explaining that Jez and Gucci shit to me as if
Speaker 3: it was jah Ru and fifty cent, and I thought
Speaker 3: they was fucking crazy. Then I got down to the
Speaker 3: South and was like, oh, I get it. My bad,
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that this was really all jay Z
Speaker 3: and Nas at the moment.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: We're close in age, so I know we grew up
Speaker 3: on similar music. To me, Ludacris might be the most
Speaker 3: criminally underrated rapper of all time based off his desography.
Speaker 3: No disrespect to Nelly. We saw what happened during COVID
Speaker 3: and the verses. Everyone's like, Yo, Nelly's I'm in I agree,
Speaker 3: Nelly's the man, but you're not fucking with Luda cleaned
Speaker 3: him the fuck up. Yeah, Luda had been a personality,
Speaker 3: an actor, a lot of where I even see rappers
Speaker 3: going now, Luda was doing before Luda was on the radio,
Speaker 3: before he was a rapper, luded to me is actually
Speaker 3: the blueprint, especially from the South for a rapper. What
Speaker 3: was Luda like growing up in Georgia, T y'all because
Speaker 3: in New York to us, he was like a New
Speaker 3: York rapper. He was wrapping his ass off over those
Speaker 3: Southern beats. It was it was an easier way to
Speaker 3: digest than say t I, who came a little later
Speaker 3: that had more of a Southern accent where Luda didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luda was I mean about pregames. So my first
Speaker 1: pregame song was rollout.
Speaker 4: Ludigris, Like that's first got a CD player every time.
Speaker 4: But I feel like for me, for him, it was
Speaker 4: like the personality that he put on records because a
Speaker 4: lot of like Raper is like like tough Bravado. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Ludacris would be funny, like he talked about women like
Speaker 4: he's like and whatever, he's whatever he does, and it's
Speaker 4: like his wordplay and the tones of his I was
Speaker 4: just like it would make me laugh, Like I'm like yeah,
Speaker 4: but like he would make me laugh, he would make
Speaker 4: me be like hype, like it was just like something
Speaker 4: that he was doing.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm fucking with him, like he's
Speaker 1: just a personality like you said.
Speaker 3: And the way like of course you bring up Missy Buster.
Speaker 3: All these amazing visual artists like their videos. But to me,
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, Luda Chris had the best videos,
Speaker 3: hands down to me, Like we waited on Luda's videos.
Speaker 2: You know, Luda definitely is one of those artists that
Speaker 2: pushed visually. He pushed his art to another level. He
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to try different shit, to have fun, be funny,
Speaker 2: even make fun of himself wearing the big sneakers and
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 3: You know, he was.
Speaker 2: Definitely an artist that looking back where it was like, yo,
Speaker 2: he can really rap, but like he's not afraid to
Speaker 2: have fun either though. But when he give you those records,
Speaker 2: it's like, yo, I don't know if it's too many
Speaker 2: dudes that could rap better than than him, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he got that respect because he was
Speaker 2: so animated. And it's like, you know, a rap you
Speaker 2: kind of have a hard time. We like cool, we
Speaker 2: can emulate, like if I put on the song, I
Speaker 2: want to be able to rap like that. You don't
Speaker 2: want to be too animated and rapped like Ludacris because
Speaker 2: it's like people gonna look at you, like, what's up
Speaker 2: with this dude to be okay? But when you listen
Speaker 2: to what he's saying, he's getting off, like he's really
Speaker 2: getting his shit off. So I think it was just
Speaker 2: that he was, you know, he was having a good time.
Speaker 3: He threw his.
Speaker 2: Music, wanted people to have fun, dance. But I also
Speaker 2: respected Ludo because he was when those when the music
Speaker 2: called for it, and especially when he did features. Like
Speaker 2: when Luda was doing features, I think he went in
Speaker 2: there knowing I'm clean. I don't care who else is
Speaker 2: on this record. I'm cleaning them up. They have a
Speaker 2: hard time rapping better than me, and that I think
Speaker 2: that was That's why I like Lude a lot, because
Speaker 2: he had fun, but when it was time to get busy,
Speaker 2: he also could do that too.
Speaker 1: Took it there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He actually have a funny Luther story that I've
Speaker 3: never told on our pod mea Aristotle. We did a
Speaker 3: video for Luda a while ago, and he pulled up
Speaker 3: to set driving a tour bus like he had he
Speaker 3: was driving the tour He pulled up in the tour
Speaker 3: bus driving I was like, all right, that's weird, but
Speaker 3: all right, I'm with it. And once we started talking more,
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, it's not like a gimmick. I
Speaker 3: know everyone in Atlanta sees me driving around on this tour bus.
Speaker 3: I have lost half a million dollars on every single
Speaker 3: tour because of the tour bus fees. And I just
Speaker 3: wanted to buy a tour bus, so saved my fucking money.
Speaker 3: And this is also the guy that has fast and
Speaker 3: furious money at this point. This wasn't like early right,
Speaker 3: this is this is legacy looting, right, and he's still
Speaker 3: doing that. Like he also on the business side. I
Speaker 3: know you joke around, we were really drinking loutiac. I
Speaker 3: don't know in Atlanta. If you was at Georgia, we
Speaker 3: were drinking looty. Yeah twenty ten, we were drinking one
Speaker 3: hundred percent drinking LOUTI.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, I didn't do the lootiac. Wasn't my brain.
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. But who were some of your
Speaker 3: other favorite rappers coming out of just Georgia period?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, geezy, Like I said, Gucci, like it was
Speaker 1: tough to see that war go down. Pastor Troy had bangers.
Speaker 1: That was probably it because I was like a blend.
Speaker 4: Those are like my South guys that got me in
Speaker 4: the door to Like then the new era was like
Speaker 4: who I really loved, like Thug's future, like seeing them
Speaker 4: from like live mixtapes era on up it was just
Speaker 4: like a tree, like even Metro like starting his own
Speaker 4: projects at like nineteen years old, like seeing that whole rise.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, your pop's playing you old dirty bastard,
Speaker 3: mob deep, et cetera. It wasn't a little difficult getting
Speaker 3: into Thug and some of that stuff just because you
Speaker 3: grew up on more boombab type of rap.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 4: I always had like an open mind of this music,
Speaker 4: like I'm listening to like I remember I had a
Speaker 4: vivid memory of crying when I heard the song by
Speaker 4: Daughtry when I was in middle school.
Speaker 3: Okay Daughtry Wow.
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, I'm listening to all different types, like
Speaker 4: any kind of music like can stoke up a feeling
Speaker 4: in me or I love listening to it. So it's
Speaker 4: like it wasn't just like one genre was like my
Speaker 4: cup of tea.
Speaker 3: It was like I feel like, did Dodgy start on
Speaker 3: an American idol?
Speaker 1: Bruh Home by Dadge.
Speaker 3: How do I remember that? Like that was the wame.
Speaker 1: Banger bro right on.
Speaker 2: Getaway Boys, Dawtrey is crazy. I would never would have
Speaker 2: guessed you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean any Yeah, I love even like the
Speaker 4: like the rock music from back in that era because
Speaker 4: I mean I like a lot of white homies back
Speaker 4: the Inn, like all American rejects of course, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: my Chemical Romance bangers back there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that era of like alternative rock was incredible. I
Speaker 3: wish it continued on or maybe I'm just out of touch.
Speaker 3: I feel like that whole genre is just going that far.
Speaker 3: Alternative slash pop.
Speaker 2: I think I think, you know, it's fun. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of that has to do with TRL no
Speaker 2: longer being around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a.
Speaker 2: Lot of that, A lot of that helped, Like TRL
Speaker 2: helped kind of like push that into every home, like
Speaker 2: because like I said, we if people look at us,
Speaker 2: they I would never think you listened to Daughtry my
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance, but you probably watched t r L pretty
Speaker 2: much every day. And that's how I got introduced to
Speaker 2: a lot of that ship was watching TRH. So I
Speaker 2: think that kind of like killed the whole alternative rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wave what was your first ringtone Mike Jones back then.
Speaker 4: On a singular wireless Sony ericson flip phone.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean naturally, Yeah, yeah, I did a lot
Speaker 3: of did not want me.
Speaker 1: Straight up.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious. It's funny that the ringtone validate that. Like,
Speaker 3: I know, it's not a whole call, not at all.
Speaker 3: Definitely just the homies. I mean, what were the girls
Speaker 3: listening to in high school with you? Because I was
Speaker 3: so much like on not more like rap nerdy shit
Speaker 3: because I was into Mike Jones and a lot of
Speaker 3: like more of the South ship that was popping, even
Speaker 3: snap music. But I was still very much in my
Speaker 3: own bubble of underground rap that didn't really relate to
Speaker 3: the pretty girls I was trying to like finger sorry
Speaker 3: to be explained, it was high school man. Yeah, natural,
Speaker 3: So that was always like a big dis disconnection when
Speaker 3: it came to music and women in high school for me.
Speaker 3: Did you run into that at all? She was raised
Speaker 3: the old dirty bastard. They wasn't trying to hear that.
Speaker 4: I feel like if you was in then usher Chris Brown,
Speaker 4: yeah side of things like you was using the right spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you in playing sports when you got into sports.
Speaker 2: Who are some of the people that you definitely can
Speaker 2: contribute like a lot of your workout regimen to like
Speaker 2: what was playing, Like what music was were you listening
Speaker 2: to before game days? What are the artists that you
Speaker 2: were like before a game, I have to listen to.
Speaker 2: This artist is the artist that gets me in that
Speaker 2: in that zone.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's where like the trap music part
Speaker 4: of Atlanta started coming in. So it's like seeing the
Speaker 4: rise of I mean all through Floka Thug from the
Speaker 4: very very earliest days future from the earliest days. We're
Speaker 4: always in rotation a little bit in there, like I said,
Speaker 4: jay Z, but that's mostly where like the Atlanta scene
Speaker 4: of music came in. Was like gott to be playing
Speaker 4: the drums before game days, and that was like what
Speaker 4: everybody in high school wanted to listen to.
Speaker 3: So there's no there's no R and B before game.
Speaker 4: Nah my taste four games even all like once I'm
Speaker 4: in the once I'm in the league, Like it depends
Speaker 4: on how I was feeling that day. There's times I
Speaker 4: went out there and I think there's a game where
Speaker 4: we played Jacksonville in like twenty nineteen, I had like
Speaker 4: one hundred in the first half. I was listening to
Speaker 4: like Fred Hammond and Marvin Sap before the game, like
Speaker 4: and then, but then there'd be some games where I'll
Speaker 4: listen to like piano music or like fucking Chaker healing music.
Speaker 4: But then there's days where I'm out there and it's
Speaker 4: just straight it's like Westside Gun or it's a little
Speaker 4: baby like it's just all over the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, what's the difference going into those
Speaker 3: games of warning to go with healing music versus West
Speaker 3: Side Gun screaming boom boom boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the feel. It's kind of how I wake
Speaker 1: up and feel that morning.
Speaker 4: You know. It's like most times people are like, all right, Sunday,
Speaker 4: They're ready to go. There's some days where it's like
Speaker 4: I had a two hundred yard game once, so I
Speaker 4: woke up that morning. I was like, I don't know
Speaker 4: how I'm gonna play a football game. I went out
Speaker 4: the warm ups. I didn't even have pants on over
Speaker 4: my leggings. I look crazy. But it's so those days
Speaker 4: I kind of tempered my music around, like how I'm
Speaker 4: feeling that morning. That would have me because you gotta
Speaker 4: be calm when you go out there, you got to
Speaker 4: be like that edge to you. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: you got to be calm. There's a lot of shit
Speaker 4: you gotta process much that you got to execute. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So niggas be too hype out there sometimes and forget
Speaker 4: they got to do a job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean when you're playing with the Raiders,
Speaker 3: because that just comes with you know, even leaving Oakland
Speaker 3: and going to Vegas, they still have that reputation of
Speaker 3: having those crazy fans death metal and shit. Was it
Speaker 3: tough trying to like warm up before a game and
Speaker 3: they're trying to cater to the fans rather than you.
Speaker 3: As far as music, because I've been to if your
Speaker 3: Raider game that's it's just heavy metal and shit that's
Speaker 3: playing the entire time. That would annoy the fuck out
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, the music is like you can't even
Speaker 4: pick up on what they're trying to do. It's like,
Speaker 4: is this, like you said, is this catered to players?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean at least with the giants like wil As
Speaker 3: DJ and the shit, and it's cool. With those Raiders games,
Speaker 3: it's just Harley Davison music the entire time. But that's
Speaker 3: a different.
Speaker 2: I think the Raider and you could probably speak to this, Darren,
Speaker 2: what is the culture, like the difference in the culture
Speaker 2: going from the Raiders organization to the Giants, because Raider
Speaker 2: culture is a whole different front animal. Like the ship
Speaker 2: that I see, I'm like, I get his football. But
Speaker 2: like some of these people, like they followed these fans
Speaker 2: to their homes and like they have Raider homes. Like
Speaker 2: what is the difference in the culture and an environment,
Speaker 2: Like when you got to the Raiders versus the Giants,
Speaker 2: what was the culture change?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, those fans as you described, like they're outside the
Speaker 4: gate that you drive in every single day.
Speaker 1: There's dudes out there, like on Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's like,
Speaker 1: where's your family? My boy? Like like the damn We
Speaker 1: had a janitor that came from Oakland to Vegas.
Speaker 4: He ended up getting in some trouble and they kicked
Speaker 4: him out, but he had like John Gruden portraits tatted
Speaker 4: on him like Raiders.
Speaker 1: The janitor bro Migo shout of Migo.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I don't know where Migo is at, but wherever you at,
Speaker 4: man the Raider shrine at his house, Like he would
Speaker 4: show us pictures like yeah, so those fans are really crashed,
Speaker 4: like their whole body'll have a whole Raiders sleeve.
Speaker 3: John Gruden never see that. Like when he was in
Speaker 3: the bathroom taking a piss and the janitor was there,
Speaker 3: like yo, John, check it out. Shirt off and show
Speaker 3: John's chests while he's in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Hed pull a service on the players.
Speaker 3: So he's a lifeer.
Speaker 2: He's like somebody that has been So they just kept
Speaker 2: him at the janitor position. They didn't want to like
Speaker 2: elevate him a little bit in an organization, elevated to
Speaker 2: just let him mop.
Speaker 3: Was working over time, mobbed some passions, doing with passion.
Speaker 3: I get that part, get getting a John Gruden tattoo.
Speaker 3: That being a janitor at the Raiders stadium would be
Speaker 3: like the apex job, right, you can't be like that.
Speaker 1: That's the CMO.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have John. That's the best job ever. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like he's just he just wants to be in the building.
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys. He's let me be in
Speaker 2: the building every day.
Speaker 1: Would take and be the clip in him. He'd take
Speaker 1: bullys for the radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, see that's that's that's the type of fan
Speaker 2: base that I think is a little just too aggressive.
Speaker 2: I get football is aggressive sport, but you see people
Speaker 2: like that. I love it, but it's like watch him
Speaker 2: because we don't know what he's libel.
Speaker 3: It's like Raiders, Eagles, the Jets to some degree are
Speaker 3: more like college for ball fans to me than they
Speaker 3: are NFL. Shit, Like, did you have any of that
Speaker 3: at Georgia Tech? Because people obsessed over college football, I
Speaker 3: feel like more than NFL.
Speaker 4: Georgia Tech was a strange crowd, Like the average fan
Speaker 4: was like fifty plus.
Speaker 1: It's like a weird demographic.
Speaker 4: There's like Georgia Tech is probably the safest place you
Speaker 4: can ever go watch a football game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably because, like it's all the wild people
Speaker 3: are bulldogs fans. I would assume they're more of like
Speaker 3: the so pretentious people would be like, I'm with Tech. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're downtown.
Speaker 1: Forty eight year old's fucking barking shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you got there. What twenty eleven, twenty eleven, yep?
Speaker 3: What was going on in the city of Atlanta club wise?
Speaker 3: Music wise?
Speaker 1: At that point?
Speaker 4: I mean shit, we wouldn't even really go into the clubs.
Speaker 4: We were going to these bars and buckhead where they
Speaker 4: were they had like welfare Wednesdays, like news was broke.
Speaker 1: This was not. There was no nil Wednesday. There was
Speaker 1: no nil back.
Speaker 3: Then, all those fifty year old fans isl was.
Speaker 4: You get on the bus to go to the game
Speaker 4: on Saturday. They give you fifteen dollars. They said, make
Speaker 4: this last till Monday.
Speaker 3: Fifteen dollars.
Speaker 4: That's like double mc chicken epic vodka, like plastic bottle. Wait, wait,
Speaker 4: that'll hold me to money.
Speaker 2: Wait, they give you fifteen dollars and make it last. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars. Yeah yeah, So y'all are so your student athletes?
Speaker 2: You're selling out. You're selling out the arena on campus
Speaker 2: every weekend yep selling jerseys. What does that do to
Speaker 2: a player who is getting fifteen dollars family struggling back home?
Speaker 2: Obviously you have dreams and aspirations of going pro one day.
Speaker 2: What does that do for your mindset? Knowing like, okay,
Speaker 2: I have fifteen dollars to last week for three days.
Speaker 2: My family's back home struggling, Like, how does that motivate
Speaker 2: you as a player, Like, I got to make sure
Speaker 2: I'm doing what I do out here because I got
Speaker 2: my whole family. I got to take care of and
Speaker 2: it's fifteen dollars a week.
Speaker 4: Ain't cutting it well, I mean, motivate you as a player,
Speaker 4: but it's also like I'm just about to start stealing shit,
Speaker 4: my boy, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'm like, I'm about to just start stealing
Speaker 3: this fifteen dollars coming in a position there's nothing else
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta start evaluating all licks possible.
Speaker 2: But like seeing your jersey in the stands, knowing that
Speaker 2: people paid for that, knowing that university is making money
Speaker 2: off of that, like that has to kind of piss
Speaker 2: a play off Like, yeah, it's like this this is crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully they'll get it right one day. But then
Speaker 4: now it's like, you see, the other thing was Penn State.
Speaker 4: They had a young receivercar touchdown, he got up. This
Speaker 4: motherfucker had diamond teeth and he's eighteen years old. I
Speaker 4: was like, we swung that bitch to the other end
Speaker 4: of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, but how do you look at that as
Speaker 2: a player who had your time when again it went
Speaker 2: from fifteen dollars. So now a lot of these players
Speaker 2: coming in, they have these nil deals who might not
Speaker 2: be better than Darren Waller was coming out of high
Speaker 2: school right going into college and now you see these
Speaker 2: young collegiate athletes making all of his money social media
Speaker 2: going crazy.
Speaker 3: What does that do to you?
Speaker 2: Like, damn, Like I missed out on all of that
Speaker 2: when it because I was definitely better than this kid
Speaker 2: and in il is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm in a place now in my
Speaker 4: life where it's like I actually like love seeing them
Speaker 4: have that opportunity, you know, because but at the same time,
Speaker 4: I feel like there's certain character lessons you learned having
Speaker 4: like eight dollars in your bank account, that's a fact. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and not having that money because like at eighteen, you
Speaker 4: get muscles going in with ms out of high school
Speaker 4: like they're the bread winners. It's just like mom telling
Speaker 4: you to take the trash out you like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm bringing the money on it. Like yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: different environment.
Speaker 3: But that's a cool perspective though, because I really would
Speaker 3: feel like, yo, you guys, owe me back pay on
Speaker 3: all these shit, Like there's no way that I did
Speaker 3: all this. And it's the same way like when people
Speaker 3: have been locked up for weed for fifty years now
Speaker 3: it's legal and just like, let me the fuck out,
Speaker 3: I hear it's the same thing. That is an interesting perspective.
Speaker 3: I have a way lesser version of that when I
Speaker 3: look at college. I went to like a commuter school,
Speaker 3: and I think about if I would have went to
Speaker 3: a school in the South, it would have been a
Speaker 3: better experience. But there's no way I would have been
Speaker 3: kicked out in the first week. Like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'd ever stay focused. And I think about that
Speaker 3: with certain college athletes. Would you have stayed as focused
Speaker 3: if you had money like that?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, because I mean, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: full blown drug addict, alcoholic at this time.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you wouldn't have gold teeth. It would have
Speaker 3: been a whole different thing.
Speaker 4: No, it would have been like a brick, Yeah, shaving
Speaker 4: that bitch every day. But but yeah, it would have
Speaker 4: been Yeah, I would have been I probably wouldn't have
Speaker 4: made it out of a car.
Speaker 1: I barely made it out as it was.
Speaker 4: You know, I fucking drk got into an accident going
Speaker 4: the wrong way, just fucked up behind the wheel, like
Speaker 4: just shit like that happening in college. Yeah, you would
Speaker 4: have gave me one hundred thousand million dollars, Like because
Speaker 4: if I had one hundred dollars my banker, I'm like, shit,
Speaker 4: we we up?
Speaker 1: What were we doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That is a that's a great way to look at it,
Speaker 2: Like you knowing who you are as a person and
Speaker 2: knowing if you had access oh to this money and
Speaker 2: things like that, like you know, it probably would have
Speaker 2: fueled a bigger animal that you have, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? The nil thing I think, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of While I do like the fact that
Speaker 2: players are making money in college because obviously these universities
Speaker 2: are making billions of dollars over these players, I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like just looking at it, it's kind of
Speaker 2: watering down the competitiveness.
Speaker 3: To me, even an extent the talent.
Speaker 2: Like I look at a lot of these, uh specifically
Speaker 2: these basketball players in college, and you know, you see
Speaker 2: all of these the highlights on social media. They have
Speaker 2: all these clips and once House of Highlights post them.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like they they social media goes crazy.
Speaker 2: But then I look into it, like I'm looking at
Speaker 2: a highlight. Everybody looks good on the highlight tape, right,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at how I'm like, damn, who is this kid?
Speaker 3: Like yo?
Speaker 2: He's he looked like he could be the next one.
Speaker 2: But then I go and I look at what he's average,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he's only averaging eight his highlight table,
Speaker 2: like he's averaging thirty five.
Speaker 1: That's a fires eight.
Speaker 2: But then exactly the eight look crazy when social media
Speaker 2: then just two breakaway windmill dunks or you know, it's
Speaker 2: a fucking eighty R reception.
Speaker 3: But it's like, yeah, that was his only catch for
Speaker 3: like three months, so like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you make a great point.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: It's I feel like for the young dudes, it's like
Speaker 4: the priorities are changing as opposed to it's getting a
Speaker 4: bag and being blown up on social media as opposed
Speaker 4: to like developing and being excellent at your craft. And
Speaker 4: it's like, how can you blame them? That's what's in
Speaker 4: their face, is being shown as that's the most valuable.
Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, like I said, there's lessons you
Speaker 4: learn in college, like if you're not the starter like
Speaker 4: you and back in the day, you just grind and
Speaker 4: wait your turn and then earn your spot in time
Speaker 4: as teaching you valuable lessons. But now it's like if
Speaker 4: they don't put ketchup on your sandwich, in the cafeteria
Speaker 4: niggas is transferring like it's a whole different game, Like
Speaker 4: any sign of adversity, They're trying to go somewhere else,
Speaker 4: and it's like they want the instant gratification of like
Speaker 4: a big play that goes viral as opposed to like
Speaker 4: I never had any major plays, but it's like the
Speaker 4: consistency that I was able to develop help me to
Speaker 4: build a career.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's really on their minds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think even just getting into that trendsfer
Speaker 3: portal has become easier with social media because's more accessible
Speaker 3: to get. Even if you were a backup to have
Speaker 3: a few highlights, you can pass those off easily to
Speaker 3: another coach, where that was way more difficult, Like thinking
Speaker 3: about transferring if you was just a backup was very,
Speaker 3: very difficult at one point. How you could just start
Speaker 3: sending shit out the clip like, hey, look at this,
Speaker 3: I'll go in the portal and figure it.
Speaker 1: Out, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, used to have to sit out a year if
Speaker 4: you went somewhere, So it's like it's a big decision
Speaker 4: transfer Now I'm fucker's just going right into school and
Speaker 4: putting an uniform on and stepping out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched I watched a few interviews of you
Speaker 2: over the last few years, and one thing I do
Speaker 2: admire about you is you're very self aware. You're very
Speaker 2: aware of who you are. You have no problem speaking
Speaker 2: about your highlights and your low lights, and I think
Speaker 2: that's very admirable. A lot of people like to speak
Speaker 2: about when things are great and all, you know, the highlight,
Speaker 2: the dope shit. But you, I've noticed you're the type
Speaker 2: of person that you don't mind talking about exactly who
Speaker 2: you are. You're unapologetic about who you are. Where is
Speaker 2: Darren Waller today? When it comes to number one? Mental health?
Speaker 2: Physically you look like you still you still can go,
Speaker 2: You still you still can play. But where's Darren at
Speaker 2: mentally as as as a as a man?
Speaker 1: A lot more at ease these days?
Speaker 4: I would say, for like most of my life, and
Speaker 4: you know, towards the end of my career, I feel
Speaker 4: like it was just like I'm entertaining, I'm good at this,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, how much of my choosing to be here?
Speaker 4: It's kind of like I'm like putting a mask on
Speaker 4: of like, yep, I'm loving doing this shit, Like I'm here, like,
Speaker 4: you know, you can't just be like I don't want
Speaker 4: to hook be here like, but so it was just
Speaker 4: kind of dealing with that, and I don't know if,
Speaker 4: like most of my life, I was trying to fit
Speaker 4: this image of who the world wanted me to be,
Speaker 4: and I feel like it just started to crumble and
Speaker 4: just eat away at me. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: you turn to so many different things to just try
Speaker 4: to cope with that shit. And now it's like I'm
Speaker 4: able to finally be like, yeah, like I don't want
Speaker 4: to entertain it anymore, Like I kind of want to
Speaker 4: express myself more through art and just figure out what
Speaker 4: the fuck I want the rest of my life to
Speaker 4: look like and walk away. Whereas before I would never
Speaker 4: make a decision like that, especially if it meant the
Speaker 4: loss of a lot of people's approval, I would never
Speaker 4: make a decision like that. But to I guess, develop
Speaker 4: the courage to make a decision like that and go
Speaker 4: through some you know, real life shit over the past year.
Speaker 4: So I mean to be like, all right, like I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm getting closer to figuring out, all right,
Speaker 4: what do I want my life to look like? Because
Speaker 4: I don't want to keep getting to these places where
Speaker 4: everybody thinks, like, man, his life's got to be great,
Speaker 4: where I'm behind the scenes, like I'm putting up a smile,
Speaker 4: but it ain't really my life like.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do. You think football was directly connected
Speaker 3: to your substance abuse early on.
Speaker 1: In ways?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Man, I feel like some of the lowest points,
Speaker 4: like my first two years of high school, like I
Speaker 4: was really small, I had big ears, big feet, Like
Speaker 4: I was getting roasted, Like I wasn't playing on the team.
Speaker 4: So it's just like puck, like I don't know what
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do. But then I started to get right
Speaker 4: around the time I started using, and I got bigger
Speaker 4: and started being on the team, so it's kind of
Speaker 4: tied together. It's like, oh shit, just a recipe, Like
Speaker 4: this is how I just you know, calm down, take
Speaker 4: the edge off. Yeah, And it's kind of realizing how
Speaker 4: like addictive thinking works. It's like the highs that you
Speaker 4: get from football and like making the play and like
Speaker 4: everybody's like watching you and like reporting on you and
Speaker 4: all that stuff is like I don't know what else
Speaker 4: could really compare to that. So it's like feeling those
Speaker 4: like I want to feel that shit again. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like that addictive personality was in football too, because
Speaker 4: it's like the whole grind, the whole total picture of
Speaker 4: what it means to be a football player. I didn't
Speaker 4: love all of it. I love being out there and
Speaker 4: getting into a flow and making plays and being like
Speaker 4: I cannot be stopped today period, Like that's an unmatched high.
Speaker 4: So I feel like that's what I was kind of
Speaker 4: doing throughout my football career because it's like there's a
Speaker 4: lot of times where I'd be like uninterested or like
Speaker 4: just kind of just like like I'm here, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get my best effort.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's different versions of dopamine. At the end
Speaker 3: of the day. Facts did it get I'm sure it
Speaker 3: did get much worse when you got to college and
Speaker 3: just having the access and probably no supervision when you
Speaker 3: were in college with the subs. It's abuse with football.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Yeah, I remember, you know, your parents come
Speaker 4: help you move in there, like all right, son, like
Speaker 4: and you like, really you got to hear it. You
Speaker 4: gotta take it from here. As soon as my parents
Speaker 4: walked out. It's like at the same time, like some
Speaker 4: of the dudes that were sophomores down the hall came
Speaker 4: in with an ever clear bottle and put it on
Speaker 4: the table and was like what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I was like, where you know I could fit in
Speaker 1: doing this?
Speaker 2: Like you know. We had a friend of the show,
Speaker 2: Ashley Ashley Nicole mass on another day and I was
Speaker 2: telling her. I was like, I have this thing where, well,
Speaker 2: I don't club anymore, but back when I used to club,
Speaker 2: whenever I saw football players coming to the club, I
Speaker 2: would leave because.
Speaker 3: Y'all have this certain aggression. First of all, y'all might.
Speaker 2: Walk in with no shirt and just all your jewelry
Speaker 2: on number one, Like, I know you have teammates that
Speaker 2: you can remember.
Speaker 4: I just had an epiphany because there was me in
Speaker 4: my roommate in college out of and we would be
Speaker 4: like a couple of the only football players they were
Speaker 4: let in the frats because we would be like more
Speaker 4: till we're just trying to smoke a little bit like drink,
Speaker 4: Like we're not trying to come in here and be like.
Speaker 3: This my shit, that's the shit I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But we would be like, yo, can we bring the
Speaker 1: teammates through?
Speaker 4: And it'd be exactly what you just described and they'd
Speaker 4: be like, y'all can't bring the y'all just.
Speaker 3: Know y'all stronger than everybody in here. And I think
Speaker 3: football players know that.
Speaker 2: Like I told Ash, y'all said, y'all have football players
Speaker 2: have this this helmet thing because people don't know that
Speaker 2: their faces because they have helmets on all the time.
Speaker 3: So when they get in the public, it's like, yo,
Speaker 3: I press three eighty.
Speaker 2: And this whatever whoever want to do, Like, fam we
Speaker 2: need to listen to the R and B like are
Speaker 2: you coming here with no shirt on and you ready
Speaker 2: to fight and body slam everybody? But you can relate
Speaker 2: to that because you know, obviously people say the same
Speaker 2: thing about you and your teammates, like y'all are cool.
Speaker 2: Y'all seem to be the cool four players. The rest
Speaker 2: of your homies leave them outside of the frat.
Speaker 3: We don't want that.
Speaker 2: What is that agreas Is that because y'all are just
Speaker 2: so aggressive in nature for what y'all do for a living,
Speaker 2: that y'all carry that on into like I call it
Speaker 2: civilian life because we're just civilians.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 2: I don't press three eighty. I watch you on Sunday
Speaker 2: but I'm not trying to get into a tussle with
Speaker 2: Darren Waller in the club.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to think of it from the mindset
Speaker 4: of like football player, like our whole life, we're being
Speaker 4: rewarded for imposing our will on people and being celebrated
Speaker 4: for it, Like we love the way you just take
Speaker 4: over and dominate. And so it's like it's hard for
Speaker 4: a lot of people to flip that switch on and off.
Speaker 4: It's like any type of environment I'm in, I need
Speaker 4: to assert my dominance in this environment.
Speaker 1: And so that's why it's like.
Speaker 4: I mean even like I don't even want to condone
Speaker 4: anything that like like like a Ray Rice situation. It's
Speaker 4: like when put into a jam or a spot where
Speaker 4: your body, like your nervous system gets activated. It's like
Speaker 4: you're like, all I've done my whole life and succeed
Speaker 4: in is just like my way out or like and
Speaker 4: so it's like that's embedded, I feel like in so
Speaker 4: many guys to where it's like they go into environments
Speaker 4: like I gotta let y'all.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, that's that's when my exit.
Speaker 2: So with the DJ shout out, yo. So so the
Speaker 2: defensive line and I'm like, yo, i'm hot here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll have a good night, right, That's just me. But
Speaker 2: once I hit a D lineman is in there, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm out. A couple of Wilde receivers, cool, tight ends cool.
Speaker 2: The offensive guys seem to be a little cooler than
Speaker 2: the defensive guys right in the club in civilian life, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're a linebacker.
Speaker 1: It's time.
Speaker 3: I'm going home. Well, I mean outside, I think ego
Speaker 3: just in general too. You being in Atlanta at one point,
Speaker 3: then Baltimore, than Vegas, than New York, those are like
Speaker 3: four insane club cities. I'm sure you ran into a
Speaker 3: lot of rappers or let's say, pharmaceutical people that are
Speaker 3: used to controlling a club, and then an NFL player
Speaker 3: walks in and that tends to have some type of
Speaker 3: clash that I've seen in the past.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bottle wars.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you been through any of that in the four
Speaker 3: cities that you were in while you were a star.
Speaker 4: I've seen it a little bit. I've never really been
Speaker 4: too much of a club guy, like here and there.
Speaker 4: Once I got once I got sober, I kind of
Speaker 4: just fell off but yeah, I've seen it's all and
Speaker 4: people want to challenge the.
Speaker 1: Football players like I can get I can get bitches
Speaker 1: in here too, Like it's just like that game is
Speaker 1: that game is wicked.
Speaker 2: What's the craziest shit You've seen a teammate doing the club?
Speaker 2: And when did you know your teammate was filthy rich?
Speaker 2: Because you every player has that moment where you like,
Speaker 2: I'm making money, but he's making money.
Speaker 4: I had never been in the club where it was
Speaker 4: the big money dudes was in there throwing like I
Speaker 4: heard like stories of like Mike Wallace, like thirty in
Speaker 4: the club was nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 4: Regular night, yeah, light day. Yeah, But I had never
Speaker 4: actually been in there when that was happening. Like the
Speaker 4: times I've been to the club or been to like
Speaker 4: a strip cloor whatever. It's like I spent three thousand
Speaker 4: dollars on a section once, like I'm just wanting niggers.
Speaker 3: Like to be in here playing this game, which are right?
Speaker 3: What was it Vince Young or Steve McNair. Someone spent
Speaker 3: like forty thousand dollars at Applebee's and I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, man, which at.
Speaker 1: Apple's fiscally impossible.
Speaker 3: It was running back. It was something insane. It was
Speaker 3: either Vince Young or Stemen. It was definitely like the franchise.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand grant is the franchise, Like, you can
Speaker 2: have this if I'm the manager that Applebee's and somebody
Speaker 2: comes and run for forty thousand, sir, you can have
Speaker 2: this entire establishment.
Speaker 1: We need an explanation.
Speaker 2: It was TGI Fridays Vince Young. TGI Friday's had to
Speaker 2: run because.
Speaker 3: Of Vince Young. They kept them moving.
Speaker 4: You have to like, so.
Speaker 3: When you first got to the Ravens, was Baltimore club
Speaker 3: music kind of an eye opener? Was that a weird situation?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't know. I didn't know what to do
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: You're not how to swing that ship. Did know how
Speaker 3: to do anything?
Speaker 1: Nah, nothing about that.
Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of people that just end
Speaker 3: up as athletes in the d m V area, and
Speaker 3: when they have to hear Go Go and any Baltimore club,
Speaker 3: They're like, I think I want to get traded. This
Speaker 3: is the craziest ship I've ever heard speaking of that.
Speaker 2: Who is your Who's a teammate that you can remember
Speaker 2: for having the absolute best taste in music and the
Speaker 2: worst taste in music, Like you get in the locker room,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, here he go with this ship.
Speaker 4: You know exactly what you're gonna get from any football
Speaker 4: player from the state of Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Whosi No these new the new y ends like.
Speaker 3: That just straight young what's the rob four nons?
Speaker 1: And yeah the whole life, which is like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's further what we're about to go do. It's
Speaker 1: it's great music.
Speaker 4: But it's like they'll come in, it'll be six am,
Speaker 4: and it's like, dog, we need some like some soul
Speaker 4: in your life, bro, Like let's get your spirit the rest. Bro.
Speaker 3: How does that work in the locker room? Though? Who's
Speaker 3: going to control the music?
Speaker 1: Whoever get it first? Rus?
Speaker 3: Is that how it is?
Speaker 2: So it's like it's just once, it's just a sound
Speaker 2: system for an entire locker room. Like each each locker
Speaker 2: I have my little Beats pill and I could listen
Speaker 2: to my ship.
Speaker 4: So the new facility in Vegas they had like the
Speaker 4: you can control the whole locker room with somebody get
Speaker 4: the somebody whoever gets to the ox first. But then
Speaker 4: there would be times like in the Oakland locker room
Speaker 4: they spook. He would have his own speaker in his
Speaker 4: locker and he would be doing like kind of like
Speaker 4: a little like block party type shit, and like he
Speaker 4: would make the rookies rap and uh and just would
Speaker 4: just be in their host and he was in I
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: So it's you get a whole lot of different environment.
Speaker 3: Me instead of giving the game balls, should just be
Speaker 3: here's dogs of the record. Yeah, whoever played the best,
Speaker 3: Here you go.
Speaker 2: That's like that has to be like an honor to
Speaker 2: be like for the team, they'd be like, yo, Darren,
Speaker 2: you got the ox Court.
Speaker 3: What do you play first?
Speaker 2: If you get the ox Court and it's the biggest
Speaker 2: game of the season, you got the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: You got the Chiefs. What's a great beat? I feel
Speaker 4: like the best pre game beat of all time might
Speaker 4: be the Family Ties baby keeam Okay, yeah, something about horns.
Speaker 4: It is like getting ready something great. Probably be the
Speaker 4: first first beat I'm playing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I feel like when I was in high school, we ready.
Speaker 3: I think it was Bubba Sparks and Archie or some
Speaker 3: ship that was the go to any football game, no
Speaker 3: matter what school he was playing, they played that first.
Speaker 3: That might be like top five football anthems to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember fucking coming up in Georgia. Pastor Troy.
Speaker 3: Yeah anything Pastor Troy is going off for the football game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and vice versa will have a nigga ready to
Speaker 1: just blackout.
Speaker 4: We have a.
Speaker 2: We have a new label mate. We shout out to
Speaker 2: the volume with with the volume Now, Shannon Shark. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where the Shannon rank on your all time tight end list?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, Shannon Sharp was tough too, not according to Skip, but.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's top five, but that cannot
Speaker 4: be take it as an insul whatsoever. So who's your
Speaker 4: top five? He's got to be in There's gotta be
Speaker 4: in there. Antonio Gates has to be in there, got
Speaker 4: to be there.
Speaker 1: Who else? Off numbers?
Speaker 4: You gotta put Jason Witten in there, and you gotta
Speaker 4: put Tony Gonzalez in there. I'm not mad at that
Speaker 4: far so and then after that, I mean, a dude,
Speaker 4: that made me think that I could play tight end
Speaker 4: with my bill because I played receiver first.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Gramley's on the Saints was different, but I mean
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 4: I could make an argue for Shannon Sharp at six right,
Speaker 4: But it's man it's so many a lot of good
Speaker 4: tight ends.
Speaker 1: In the fact, I'm leaving some some people out probably
Speaker 1: too with who I just named that that.
Speaker 2: Five is is solid Shannon just from watching the game.
Speaker 2: Shannon is in my top five.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: I like Antonio Gates, but I think i'm I think
Speaker 2: I go Shannon Sharp before Antonio Gates though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw more of Antonio Gates with my age.
Speaker 3: I caught like the very tail end of that Broncos
Speaker 3: team with Shannon Sharp. Antonio Gates was the man was different.
Speaker 1: I was and never played football like he was out.
Speaker 3: There running like a four to three up the seam
Speaker 3: as a tight end.
Speaker 2: He was different, different, foul bro No, he was listening.
Speaker 2: That's that five is incredible. But me, my personal I
Speaker 2: don't think I can name five Titans better than Shanni.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that transition? Like, going from wide receiver
Speaker 3: tight end in the NFL not college, Like, that's a
Speaker 3: whole different monster to change position.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I feel like I had some there's some
Speaker 4: solid vets that tight end in Baltimore, like that Ben
Speaker 4: Watson played in the league for a long time. He
Speaker 4: was kind of there, like giving me some pointers and
Speaker 4: then like past game, being a receiver, I just had
Speaker 4: to learn how to like navigate because now you're trying
Speaker 4: to gather away a d lineman and linebackers and they're
Speaker 4: trying to fucking hit you and shit. But it was
Speaker 4: the fucking run blocking. This was twenty sixteen. We had
Speaker 4: Terrelle Sucks at the time. Matt Judon was a rookie.
Speaker 4: Who's the All Pro now, Elvis Duomerville. I don't know
Speaker 4: if you remember who that is. Then he was All
Speaker 4: Pro with the Broncos. Who else was there is the
Speaker 4: Darius Smith was a rookie.
Speaker 1: He was in my class. And I'm having to block
Speaker 1: these dudes every day and they're fucking.
Speaker 4: Caving me into the backfield, like anytime they run a
Speaker 4: run play behind me, Like there's like if you were
Speaker 4: in like a wide zone play, you basically just got
Speaker 4: to keep him at the line of scrimmage. But they're
Speaker 4: so strong and I'm so I'm just like new at this.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to block in this setting. They're
Speaker 4: driving me five yards in the backfield. A run play
Speaker 4: can't get started. They got to cut back and do
Speaker 4: all some crazy shit. But it was like going through
Speaker 4: that period was like kind of broke me in to like,
Speaker 4: all right, I have to do this because if I
Speaker 4: only come in on passing down, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 4: all this nigga does catch, but you got to learn
Speaker 4: to be out there ninety percent of the snaps so
Speaker 4: they can't pick up on the offensive tendencies. So yeah,
Speaker 4: you gotta hold your own out there. But that was
Speaker 4: a good time for me.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, who was the first player or when
Speaker 2: was the first time in the NFL that you got
Speaker 2: hit and you started reconsidering this line of work.
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't reconsider I was. It was Dante Whitner.
Speaker 4: You remember him, say for the forty nine ers. He
Speaker 4: was like one of the last breed of safeties. That's like,
Speaker 4: you come over here, I'm knocking you old ship off right,
Speaker 4: And yeah, I ran like a so we ran like
Speaker 4: a play action roll out. I'm running an over route
Speaker 4: across the field and I'm like, you could see something
Speaker 4: out of your peripherals, but I think he was like
Speaker 4: in the deep half, so I'm like I didn't even
Speaker 4: really feel him there, and I'm like, oh, this is up,
Speaker 4: Like I catch this, I'm turning fuck hit me in
Speaker 4: my chest and I got a concussion.
Speaker 3: Because my neck just went like the crash.
Speaker 1: Like the crash commercials. Yeah yeah, and like and I hit.
Speaker 4: The ground and I'm on like the if you're looking
Speaker 4: at the field from like a bird's eye. I'm on
Speaker 4: the numbers on the right side. Our sideline was all
Speaker 4: the way on the other side. I crawled to like
Speaker 4: the midfield logo. I was like, I got to get
Speaker 4: up for my own pride. I gotta get up. I
Speaker 4: gotta get up. And then I went over to the sideline.
Speaker 4: I was like, take me to the locker room. They
Speaker 4: get you right there and they try to evaluate you
Speaker 4: for concussion and most things. Like I'm staying in the game.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm taken myself. My whole brain rattle.
Speaker 3: I missed.
Speaker 4: I missed the next game the following week because I
Speaker 4: was still having like like like for four days.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't be in the room. I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in his lights. Bro I'm cooked, Like he did he
Speaker 3: at least like check up on you did he reached?
Speaker 4: This was so this is my first game, Like I
Speaker 4: started that game and and so I'm running routes and
Speaker 4: he had covered me on some and I'm like getting
Speaker 4: loose because he wasn't like the best coverage safety.
Speaker 1: He was good enough, but I got him a couple
Speaker 1: of holes.
Speaker 4: And I'll call myself chirping at him, okay, and then
Speaker 4: uh he heard the only thing I remember with him
Speaker 4: standing over me like.
Speaker 1: It was like you should.
Speaker 3: Ship but I should have known better. See the mouth movement.
Speaker 3: Who's the best ship talking defensive back in the league
Speaker 3: that you had to deal with?
Speaker 4: From when I played, it was I never experienced Richard
Speaker 4: Sherman in person, so but from just the audio clips,
Speaker 4: but Tying Matthew, Oh god, that was activated activated ship.
Speaker 3: Talking, and I feel like it must suck, is the
Speaker 3: tight end because you have to deal with the D
Speaker 3: line ship talking, then sometimes the linebackers, and then always
Speaker 3: the DB's.
Speaker 4: Yeah and Chauncey Gardner Johnson okay, yeah, whenever Nigga say
Speaker 4: his name, crash out man.
Speaker 3: Who is worse D line linebackers or DB's when it came.
Speaker 1: To DB's have the biggest like you say, like you go.
Speaker 4: Into the club and it's like D line, I'm out, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the craziest egos or DB's which you kind of have
Speaker 4: to have to play defensive back.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the hardest.
Speaker 1: That's the hardest outside of quarterback.
Speaker 3: In this position. It's like I have a tie with
Speaker 3: like left tackle.
Speaker 4: But playing dB in the league, you got to have
Speaker 4: delusional confidence, yeah, because a nigga could cook you. And
Speaker 4: it's like that doesn't mean you're trash, Like these things
Speaker 4: are running four threes and they're running forward. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you're right. Yeah, so dB is you got to be delusional.
Speaker 4: So I'm not even mad at them niggas for even
Speaker 4: acting like that.
Speaker 2: You got to So there, Let's talk about your music
Speaker 2: career a little bit. Let's talk about you you making music.
Speaker 3: I came out to Gate hating because he got a
Speaker 3: West Side booge future for I did. Yeah, how did
Speaker 3: that's my man? Family?
Speaker 4: How did that feature come about? Shout to my boy
Speaker 4: Cali and uh, I know Junior over at lv r N. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I played JV basketball with Justice too. Really but yeah,
Speaker 4: don't you is it Justice? Justice already think he likes
Speaker 4: super nice and ball. I played ball with Justice before.
Speaker 4: He's much better than I expected pre dreads. Yeah but
Speaker 4: uh but yeah, I played basketball with Junior all through
Speaker 4: high school. So reaching out to him through my boy
Speaker 4: Cali Like it was pretty easy to set up. He
Speaker 4: was accessible and happened smoothly. I felt like he was
Speaker 4: a perfect fit for the record.
Speaker 2: So you so you actually was looking forward to getting
Speaker 2: out wrapped because Boogie can he can go. So you
Speaker 2: welcomed that absolutely, man Like, So I'm it would be
Speaker 2: honored to make music with people that I respect their craft.
Speaker 1: And and listen to.
Speaker 3: So it was, Yeah, when did you make that decision
Speaker 3: that you wanted to go full music? Was it before retirement?
Speaker 3: Was this something that was always sitting there, like as
Speaker 3: soon as I'm done with this NFL shit, I can
Speaker 3: finally fully focus on this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was just excited about devoting more
Speaker 4: time to it. I don't know if I'm an artist
Speaker 4: that is like full time, like every day in the studio.
Speaker 4: I feel like I got to have like experiences that, yeah,
Speaker 4: kind of motivate me to write. It's a regular thing,
Speaker 4: but it's like not every day. But I am grateful,
Speaker 4: but I have more time to do it. I've been
Speaker 4: making music since twenty fifteen, so it's not like I'm
Speaker 4: just like now like I'm gonna make music. It's like
Speaker 4: some people knew about it, some people didn't I was dropping,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm excited to have more time to do
Speaker 4: it and express myself and see what this pocket of
Speaker 4: my life has in store for me as an artist.
Speaker 1: I felt there's, you know, some.
Speaker 4: Kind of journey from me here and I it's what
Speaker 4: I feel like I should be doing and want to
Speaker 4: be doing right now.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, fuck it all right.
Speaker 3: Did you ever try to battle anyone in the locker room?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 3: I kind of learned.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what started my career was in high school,
Speaker 4: dudes on the team would put on an instrumental ice
Speaker 4: cream paint job at the time was a favorite go
Speaker 4: to freestyle, and we'd freestyle and dudes could flow like
Speaker 4: I could give you two well fought out lines, but
Speaker 4: then it's like my game is moving so fast that
Speaker 4: it's just like hindering me from just waxing in the.
Speaker 2: Moment having two bars, and that's it is crazy King
Speaker 2: Drick like Pulitzer Prize lines.
Speaker 1: And then it's like I can't go anymore.
Speaker 3: Because once the ice cream paint job instrumental comes on,
Speaker 3: two three people start rapping. I could come up with
Speaker 3: like two or four great bars in the moment, and
Speaker 3: then I'll wrap them and I'll stop be like I
Speaker 3: didn't think this through, like like yeah, now what it's over.
Speaker 3: I got that off now because they even look at
Speaker 3: you like all right, it was cool for and then
Speaker 3: you're just like all you know what, Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 3: get it right there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like if I wrote some ship
Speaker 1: like I might be all right. Yeah. That's how I
Speaker 1: started making music just off of that.
Speaker 3: Okay, did you keep it to yourself at that point
Speaker 3: or the.
Speaker 1: First two years of making music? I kept to myself.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: It was like right after I got drafted into the league.
Speaker 4: I was they had the rookies in the hotel garage
Speaker 4: band pulled up. I was wrapping into the I phone, earbudds,
Speaker 4: wired ones and in the garage band and just like
Speaker 4: ripping beats off and just went for two years without knowing.
Speaker 4: And then I went to a studio back home. There
Speaker 4: was a dude that was on a football team, is
Speaker 4: a few years older than me. He had a studio
Speaker 4: at his house and I was rapping there and then
Speaker 4: one of my homies made beats and found out he
Speaker 4: was like, now we got to lock in.
Speaker 1: And then from there, it was just like, yeah, been
Speaker 1: creating for almost ten years.
Speaker 3: Now, is there more athletes that do wrap or more
Speaker 3: focused on music than we think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of dudes love it, man, a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes.
Speaker 4: It's a good balance. Like for me, I had been
Speaker 4: doing it the whole time. It's like it honestly like
Speaker 4: contributed to my career because it gave me that balance.
Speaker 4: Like when I stepped out of the building, it's like
Speaker 4: I can go home and cook something up and it
Speaker 4: like takes me out of this performance mindset, allows me
Speaker 4: to just relax and then I can pour back into
Speaker 4: it more the next day because I've got something that
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to. Yeah, after and but yeah, nobody
Speaker 4: was really dropping, Like I remember twenty nineteen, I was
Speaker 4: like I dropped my first project, like I was out
Speaker 4: of the league and suspended.
Speaker 1: But nineteen I dropped.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm just gonna do this because like
Speaker 4: I'm the best player on the team right now, Like
Speaker 4: it's not hindering my crafty. I'm just about to drop it.
Speaker 4: And then I think from there, like I don't know
Speaker 4: if people maybe felt more comfortable. I don't want to
Speaker 4: say like I'm the only pioneer of this, but nobody
Speaker 4: was really dropping. Now athletes just like dropping whenever.
Speaker 3: They think Arion Foster, Yeah yeah, I read his album
Speaker 3: He's he could Wrap. He was real, real, like he
Speaker 3: surprised me. I went into it like all right, let
Speaker 3: me me not go in with judgments. But I didn't
Speaker 3: think it was going to be as good as it
Speaker 3: actually was, and he was confident with that shit too.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that athletes go into it taking it serious,
Speaker 3: where others will, you know, see it as a lick
Speaker 3: post career shit. But I do see that you are
Speaker 3: taking a serious Have you taken the comments from music
Speaker 3: more to heart than the NFL comments like post game shit,
Speaker 3: because it is like you're burying your fucking soul out
Speaker 3: on rare and maybe a comment may hurt a little
Speaker 3: bit more than you know, my parlay didn't hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, people come at you crazy like, but yeah,
Speaker 4: you kind of. I kind of get used to it
Speaker 4: from football a little bit, but now it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't really get myself access. I got the fucking
Speaker 4: light phone, I got people that run my socials, so
Speaker 4: it's like I'm not even not even looking at the
Speaker 4: ship getting access to I know there natural resistance of like, nah, bro,
Speaker 4: like I know you as this as you're doing and
Speaker 4: doing that, which is like that this is.
Speaker 3: Why a lot of Paul you busy writing rom But
Speaker 3: I feel like, even you know, outside of the parlaytionshi
Speaker 3: where it affects people's lives, you're putting out who new
Speaker 3: record is about your life? That to me is way
Speaker 3: more brave than going out on the field and expecting
Speaker 3: some commentators, some fucking fat ass fan to comment on
Speaker 3: what you're doing. Like, was that a whole process in
Speaker 3: your brain to even put that out? Not really you
Speaker 3: know what people are going to tie it to, and
Speaker 3: like it's just going to be a whole for me.
Speaker 4: It was like it got created and it was like
Speaker 4: I really fuck with this, and then it's like I
Speaker 4: feel like the mix up was I didn't give any
Speaker 4: context to what the record was because people were probably like, oh,
Speaker 4: like my chick stabbed me in my back. It was
Speaker 4: like the song was called who Knew Her Perspective? So
Speaker 4: the meaning by the song, you know, people write from
Speaker 4: different perspectives, so I'm like, I recognize the patterns in
Speaker 4: my relationships are kind of all the same. So the
Speaker 4: thinking was if the girl had to pin and wrote
Speaker 4: me a song, what would it be? And so, and
Speaker 4: then in the disconnect was in the video, I'm really
Speaker 4: the girl that's experiencing the pain like stepping into her shoes.
Speaker 4: It's not me, like being stabbed in the back. She
Speaker 4: put the post out and was saying like YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: So it's like, I'm not defending myself like this is
Speaker 4: this is, this is what happened. I'm just expressing my art.
Speaker 4: And people were probably, yeah, took it a million different
Speaker 4: types of ways, but that's kind of a risky run
Speaker 4: putting it out there.
Speaker 3: Of course, but you had you were married, you divorced.
Speaker 2: Now you were married to WNBA star Kelsey Kelsey Plumb
Speaker 2: who was a better shooter between you and Kelsey because
Speaker 2: you played basketball.
Speaker 3: Have y'all ever win it?
Speaker 1: To me, it's not, Yeah, she is out most niggas, NBA, wherever, wherever.
Speaker 3: But what does that do?
Speaker 2: What does that do for the Because you're an athlete,
Speaker 2: you're you're, you're, you're your your competitive both professional athletes.
Speaker 3: But what does that do for the ego?
Speaker 2: Now if you and you know Kelsey are and the
Speaker 2: gym y'all shooting against each other and she blows out,
Speaker 2: like what is the conversation like on the ride home
Speaker 2: after leaving the.
Speaker 3: Gym, Uh, it's you do this ship every day that
Speaker 3: the period.
Speaker 2: I'm happy, I sort of you know how we are
Speaker 2: as men though, like we know, I don't care if
Speaker 2: wife he is a w n B A star, Like
Speaker 2: if I played in the local rec league, I feel
Speaker 2: like I should.
Speaker 3: Outshoot my wife.
Speaker 1: That's that's not a it's not a regular.
Speaker 3: If I'm just saying the ego all would take her
Speaker 3: to the football field to run routes, Like.
Speaker 2: That's that's what you should. Absolutely absolutely you've seen loving basketball.
Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely, this is what we got to do.
Speaker 2: Your Darren Waller Foundation, Yeah, talk to us about the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I think is super important.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I connect that. I was approached with the
Speaker 1: opportunity to start that in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: We've been really just giving people access to treatment to
Speaker 4: go to thirty days and rehab, to have aftercare sober living.
Speaker 4: Because the league sent me to treatment for free. It
Speaker 4: was like sixty five thousand dollars for where they sent
Speaker 4: me for thirty days. But that shit changed my life,
Speaker 4: so it's like I'm in a position now to give
Speaker 4: and serve, Like I feel like it's important for me
Speaker 4: to pass this on. So that foundation has been going
Speaker 4: for five years now. We've said, I think the numbers
Speaker 4: like seventy two people through. Yeah, treatment, it's kind of crazy,
Speaker 4: you know, like not even thinking I'd ever be back
Speaker 4: in the league, and now I'm here and using my
Speaker 4: influence to help these people, you know, get back on
Speaker 4: their feet like I got back on mind.
Speaker 3: So yeah, is it tough to talk about your lowest
Speaker 3: lows with them?
Speaker 4: Not really because I look at them and I see me,
Speaker 4: And that's why I feel like I try to be
Speaker 4: like you were talking about, like more open, because a
Speaker 4: lot of people probably look at athletes or people that
Speaker 4: are successful and think, man, like they're so high off
Speaker 4: I can't even touch them or access them where it's like, nah.
Speaker 1: Bro, Like my mind is crazy just like yours.
Speaker 4: Like I got emotions, I have, you know, tough times,
Speaker 4: like I got family issues, I got whatever it.
Speaker 1: May be, Like I'm more like you than you think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all I ever did was just continue to invest
Speaker 4: in my craft and life. Somehow got me here. But
Speaker 4: there's nothing that you can't do no hole you can't
Speaker 4: get out of. That's the kind of message that I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm trying to get people because that's real life.
Speaker 4: I can get up here and be like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't I got no problems, everything's great, Like I'm not
Speaker 4: giving an authentic message to people that can help them
Speaker 4: through their day to day So I'm just trying.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, And I think substance abuse ends up getting
Speaker 3: a weird rap because they may associate it with like
Speaker 3: fiend shit or bumshit or whatever, not realizing that it
Speaker 3: is people that you see on TV that have the
Speaker 3: same exact issues that someone else may have, or even
Speaker 3: people that just work corporate jobs may have substance abuse.
Speaker 3: What would you say is the first step to somebody's
Speaker 3: thinking about getting help but can't really figure out how
Speaker 3: to do it without feeling embarrassed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's got to be an awareness of like where
Speaker 4: I'm currently at, Like no reservations, no like ego involved,
Speaker 4: Like it's got to be like how do I get
Speaker 4: the most authentic picture of where I'm at? Because if
Speaker 4: I'm still delusional in some way or in denial, like
Speaker 4: there's no way I can be helped. Yeah, And there's
Speaker 4: got to be a point to where you get so
Speaker 4: tired of what's been going on because for me, like
Speaker 4: I got to crash and burn for me to be
Speaker 4: like all right, I'll change, like I'll do something different.
Speaker 4: So it's like getting to that place of like I'm
Speaker 4: really done, not like not like like it's like, nah, bro,
Speaker 4: like help me.
Speaker 3: Did you have that rock bottom moment that was like
Speaker 3: this is it? I thought it was this rock bottom
Speaker 3: moment before, but now this is the rock bottom moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I would always say before like the like
Speaker 4: the like O Dan was the biggest rock bottom, but
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, probably last year was probably
Speaker 4: even more like like being like man, I don't even
Speaker 4: want to be playing this game anymore, Like you know,
Speaker 4: this marriage is just deteriorating, like like I and I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm still trying to put forward this image
Speaker 4: like everything's great, Like so I've repeatedly hit this wall,
Speaker 4: like the root of the problem still hasn't totally been addressed.
Speaker 4: Like I've just you know, kind of seen a lot
Speaker 4: of success and a lot of cool moments and highs
Speaker 4: along the way, but there's still something that's unaddressed here.
Speaker 4: So it's like coming to that realization, it's like, fuck, bro, Like,
Speaker 4: I've been sober for seven years and I feel like
Speaker 4: I've just been spinning my tires has been spinning in
Speaker 4: the mud here.
Speaker 1: I ain't really been making no progress like a fucking
Speaker 1: hamster wheel.
Speaker 4: So I would say that was probably more of a
Speaker 4: bottom yeah than odan was, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2: What would you say to a young Darren Waller first
Speaker 2: going to college and then looking at where your life
Speaker 2: is at now? What would you say to Darren back then?
Speaker 1: Today?
Speaker 4: I would say, you gotta define what it is you
Speaker 4: want and who you want to be and not be
Speaker 4: overtaken by the current of what the world wants you
Speaker 4: to be. Because I feel like I succeeded a lot
Speaker 4: at who the world, who I thought the world wanted
Speaker 4: me to be. Where it was like being a ring leader,
Speaker 4: getting sucked up in college or in football, and like
Speaker 4: all these things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I'm who you guys want me
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 4: But it's boxes are checked, but it's not a fulfillment
Speaker 4: like deep within, like on a soul level, it's like
Speaker 4: figuring out what you want and it may not be
Speaker 4: highest paid, number one.
Speaker 1: All these things at what it is you really want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: But it's like if that really is what is filling
Speaker 4: your cup up and allowing you to just like make
Speaker 4: the most authentic impact you can, Like that's the life
Speaker 4: that's fulfilling. Like we're kind of being fed the you know,
Speaker 4: if you go by these metrics, you're going to be
Speaker 4: fulfilled and life's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm one of those.
Speaker 4: People that's like I've checked all those boxes and that's
Speaker 4: not necessarily the case.
Speaker 1: So I would tell him, like, you know, trust who
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 4: Don't feel like you got to abandon that for fitting
Speaker 4: in because a lot of people you're trying to fit
Speaker 4: in with are crashing out, yeah after after high school,
Speaker 4: like you know.
Speaker 3: And they don't really care about you try to fit
Speaker 3: in what people?
Speaker 4: They're so worried about themselves too, and probably thinking of
Speaker 4: the same things that you're thinking. And you think they're
Speaker 4: watching you, they ain't really they ain't really caring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's the plan now that you have who
Speaker 3: knew out we getting a full album? What's it looking like?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely an album at some point, Uh my boy,
Speaker 4: Jay ro I have been cooking up with it was
Speaker 4: my engineer and he's also an artist's really helping me
Speaker 4: elevate my sound.
Speaker 1: We're gonna drop a project together.
Speaker 3: And you guys have a record out now together, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called mind Games, and we got more. The
Speaker 4: next song I drop will be us called Streets to
Speaker 4: get Cold with him, he's getting me more into my
Speaker 4: R and B bag and you know, kind of going
Speaker 4: through divorces things like that's kind of opening me up
Speaker 4: to a different, yeah side of myself and being like damn,
Speaker 4: like all these emotions are here. I don't have to
Speaker 4: suppress them anymore like I can. So it's just, yeah,
Speaker 4: experimenting with a lot.
Speaker 1: Of new things. You have plenty on the way, solo
Speaker 1: project and a joint project with him.
Speaker 3: So love it all right, So we're flushing out this
Speaker 3: segment in real time. We don't really have a name
Speaker 3: for it. We're talking about one on one, just a
Speaker 3: bunch of weird, corny sports names about this whole Georgia
Speaker 3: album versus. So you need to pick one out of
Speaker 3: the two, and you can't say both outcasts at Aliens
Speaker 3: Versusquemina mm hm.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I might have to go at Aliens just
Speaker 4: off of two Dope Boys in a Cadillac one of
Speaker 4: the best.
Speaker 1: Well that shit, I was just in Hawaii.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ludacris back for the first Time, or Chicken and Beer.
Speaker 1: I gotta go Chicken in Beer. Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I think I was listening to that explicit album as
Speaker 4: a kid and wondering why uh fucking avenue.
Speaker 3: Problems I got. It's all Luda Chris's fault. I got
Speaker 3: back for the first time for my eleventh birthday. I
Speaker 3: remember at I'm dead ass at the birthday party in
Speaker 3: our backyard. Somebody that had like the cooler mom that
Speaker 3: would just like whatever gift and my friend's mom bought
Speaker 3: it for me Back for the first time. I was
Speaker 3: eleven years old. Oh my god, you the oldest pretty
Speaker 3: yess hose. Yeah, I was. I was yelling at yelling
Speaker 3: at that. That was like Splash Waterfalls. H No, Splash
Speaker 3: water Falls was on what's the second album that was on?
Speaker 3: Chicken and Beer. Yeah, Chicken and Beer Back for the
Speaker 3: First Time was one of my favorites. Gz t on
Speaker 3: one on one versus Recession going on one man, Absolutely
Speaker 3: one on one, bro. I agree. But you'd be surprised
Speaker 3: how many people would say this recession. I'm with y'all, though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got it going on. This is like an age
Speaker 3: old debate t I Trap music verse King. Mmm, fuck,
Speaker 3: we're similar in age. I think I know what you're
Speaker 3: gonna go with. Fuck uh?
Speaker 1: King had whatever you like?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know paper Trail. I think whatever
Speaker 3: you like. Let me pull up the King track list?
Speaker 3: King had? What you know about that? Living the Sky
Speaker 3: with Jimmy Fox is a.
Speaker 1: Huge God damn that was a hit in middle school.
Speaker 3: I was definitely listening to Hello on the way to
Speaker 3: high school. I think with our age though, we probably
Speaker 3: fucked with King more than most.
Speaker 1: King was twenty four's No.
Speaker 3: Twenty fours was on Not twenty fours was on the
Speaker 3: album before that. So you said you might might to
Speaker 3: go King just off what you know about that? I'm
Speaker 3: not mad, no, man, trap music. Trap music was fine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a trap music guy. We'll get a little younger.
Speaker 3: I think Dirty Right too. Across the Board is Future's
Speaker 3: best album. We can all Yeah, So I didn't want
Speaker 3: to just add that in the mix. Fifty six Nights
Speaker 3: versus Hendricks.
Speaker 1: Bruh Hendrix Hendrix is so tough.
Speaker 3: It's an R and B sol album bruh.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'll be wondering nowadays, like future can just like
Speaker 4: go in to move and do anything.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard, like you put it out.
Speaker 4: But like what he was experimenting and pushing himself to
Speaker 4: do on that album, Yeah crazy.
Speaker 3: I feel like my collection might be the most beautiful
Speaker 3: misogynistic record that's ever existed. Yeah, Like they'll play that
Speaker 3: at a tribute and women will cry young thug Jeffrey
Speaker 3: versus Bart six Bart six, Okay, not matter at that.
Speaker 3: I'd go part six two. I think their very neck
Speaker 3: and nect though Jeffrey's fire. I gotta go Jeffrey on
Speaker 3: over part six. All right, let's go R and B quickly.
Speaker 3: I don't think they've taken your Georgia I d yet.
Speaker 3: This is the this is the one confessions verse eighty
Speaker 3: seven to one. Don't breathe like that, like you don't lie.
Speaker 3: It's it's not the heart of a question.
Speaker 1: Man, Yes it is.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. I have lost friends over this de
Speaker 3: big confessions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely confessions.
Speaker 3: It's closer than y'all thinking.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. That's why I that's why I breathe
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: It's really not close Confession is closer than you'll Confessions
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest R and B albums ever.
Speaker 3: I think you can make a case. Eighty seven on
Speaker 3: one is right there too.
Speaker 2: You can make a case, but we know undeniably Confessions
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest R and B albums ever.
Speaker 3: Okay, without a doubt, to me, the most underrated R
Speaker 3: and B artists from Atlanta the Dream Love Hate, Verse,
Speaker 3: Love Verse Money.
Speaker 1: I don't know what all was on both of those albums.
Speaker 3: This one's so tough. I wouldn't even know really where
Speaker 3: to go. But let me pull up the track list
Speaker 3: for you. I think it's love Love Hate, the one
Speaker 3: with purple kisses. Yes, yeah, I'm going purple kisses throw it.
Speaker 1: In the bags on one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the remix is always better for us. Love Hate,
Speaker 3: I Love Your Girl falsetto Shorty as the Ship's Love
Speaker 3: living a Lot, Purple Kisses, Love Hate, Yes it is
Speaker 3: playing in our head. Yeah, I'm going, okay, but love
Speaker 3: Ver's money, rocking that ship, put it down, Walking on
Speaker 3: the Moon.
Speaker 2: Fancy Fancy might be one of the greatest Army songs ever.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. This is a tough. He's a
Speaker 3: tough one. Fancy is one of the greatest Army songs about. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I'm still on the side of love hate but
Speaker 3: love verse money's right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God damn, it's a lot of.
Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with Georgia ship or music.
Speaker 3: But movie wise, any given Sunday verse Friday.
Speaker 1: Night Lights, Friday Night Lights is the best movie to me, really, we're.
Speaker 3: About to argue to death now, any givens Given Sunday
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: Five, but like Friday Night Lights put you in touch
Speaker 4: of like the origin of like coming up, like if
Speaker 4: you came up, it's a different side of it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a different size Given Sunday. Not a lot of
Speaker 4: niggas like got to that level and relate to that.
Speaker 3: To me, give the car aff though you didn't. That
Speaker 3: wasn't feeling that. That's LT giants baby, come on go.
Speaker 1: That was a five movie. But yeah, for some about
Speaker 1: I don't know some about Friday Night Life.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a classic for sure, But any Given
Speaker 3: Sunday to me was so ahead of its time. Even
Speaker 3: on my bad my parking, he get alert and music
Speaker 3: when it's time to pay to meet it got to
Speaker 3: make sure. To me, any given Sunday was so ahead
Speaker 3: of its time, Like simply based off the Jamie Fox
Speaker 3: Al Pacinos scene when he goes to lunch after he's
Speaker 3: about to get not cut but he's not going to
Speaker 3: start for the playoffs and Jamie breaks down what it's
Speaker 3: like to be a professional athlete versus the corporation ship.
Speaker 3: To me, that that is what everyone even argues on
Speaker 3: the college level. That ship was the smart Oliver Stone
Speaker 3: smoke that ship. That was the smartest thing I've ever
Speaker 3: seen as far as what professional athletes go through. Like
Speaker 3: you're telling me that I need to do it for
Speaker 3: the betterment of the team. When I'm not, y'all are
Speaker 3: going to get paid. I am not cooking any give
Speaker 3: not give ahead of Friday. That lights. Yeah, you at
Speaker 3: high school, it's all about the town and the team
Speaker 3: and the people next to you and building all that.
Speaker 3: When I get to the professional level, Fuck y'all, y'all
Speaker 3: are gonna wave me, trade me immediately and you want
Speaker 3: me to give up my life for you now? Fuck that?
Speaker 3: To me, that was one of the most brilliant movies
Speaker 3: that's ever existed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, greatest football movie of all time and Longest yard. Wait,
Speaker 2: which one Adam Sandler knew it? Okay, greatest football movie
Speaker 2: of all time. Now he wasn't feeling that it's a
Speaker 2: good movie. I would put the replacements over that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: another good, great football movie. I'm showing my age with
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: What was it? Uh?
Speaker 3: From the eighties? Wildcats? Was that the name of it?
Speaker 3: Sport in nineteen ninety y'all?
Speaker 1: Remember that was the high school musical, ain't it?
Speaker 3: You said a musical?
Speaker 1: Yo? Damn Wildcat high school musical. I think that was
Speaker 1: the name of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wildcats, all right, Goldie Hawn Wildcats. You never seen
Speaker 3: that movie? Watch that movie. It's young from the eighties,
Speaker 3: but it's like it's a classic classic movie.
Speaker 1: Like you like the movie.
Speaker 3: It's definitely before your time. I'm a little older than y'all.
Speaker 3: But by Rudy, don't get me started, man, that's another
Speaker 3: that's another classic movie. You just like that movie. You've
Speaker 3: heard me go on our rants on our podcast about Rudy.
Speaker 3: I love them, I love Rudy, I understand. I think
Speaker 3: it's amazing that he did all that and then got Darren.
Speaker 3: You you got choked up watching that movie? Did you
Speaker 3: get a little.
Speaker 4: I have a song with Ciri where the intro where
Speaker 4: Rudy's about to quit and uh, the black Janitor was
Speaker 4: like tell him, like, you're trying to do that for
Speaker 4: your dad, and do that for what? Like if you
Speaker 4: ain't that clip in the beginning.
Speaker 3: So that was a Rudy is a classic, man. No, no,
Speaker 3: it's a classic. It's just a classic for that year
Speaker 3: of his life. Like listen following Von whatever his character
Speaker 3: ended up, he was still even though he's an ass.
Speaker 3: So he was the all American that was going to
Speaker 3: go on to the NFL and do great things. Rudy
Speaker 3: had a cool semester and then became a motivational speaker
Speaker 3: that we're fuck didn't do shit with his life afterwards.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: You wanted to get fucked over by the college system
Speaker 3: so badly that you did all that work in a factory,
Speaker 3: get your head blown off, everything just so you could
Speaker 3: give Notre Dame one hundred thousand dollars a year. Stupidest
Speaker 3: movie of all time. I thought it was one of
Speaker 3: the most inspirational movies of all time. It's inspirational for
Speaker 3: dumb shit. I loved his drive and his focus and
Speaker 3: the heart that he had. I respect that it was
Speaker 3: in all the wrong places. Check out Wildcats.
Speaker 1: Wildcats that movie. Not really.
Speaker 3: I had did a list of like seventy five things
Speaker 3: at the top of twenty twenty five for music predictions
Speaker 3: that I'm already. I think I'm four for four already.
Speaker 3: Do you have any music predictions for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: y'all f with of course?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I need the Saba No Idea project.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, they just put out a record on Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been spending that shit.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I don't really have any I like to
Speaker 4: to just see shit unfold, bro, Like I love like
Speaker 4: the mystery and just like watching shit happen. I don't
Speaker 4: really know what's gonna happened at all. I'm interested to
Speaker 4: see what Drake does well. I mean, I mean I'm
Speaker 4: still I'm still listening to Drake's old music. I mean,
Speaker 4: people are getting them about of there, but everybody doesn't.
Speaker 4: That doesn't really everybody's still listening.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, by the time by the time they
Speaker 3: hear this, I think tomorrow will be the P and
Speaker 3: D Drake album. Okay, that's about to come out. I
Speaker 3: don't know where I'm at with that, I think they
Speaker 3: may go too much to the core fan base where
Speaker 3: the masses won't really fuck with it, which I don't
Speaker 3: really care. I love old P and D cuts, and
Speaker 3: I think that's the route that they're going to go.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're gonna get much of what
Speaker 3: the masses want to hear. As far as Drake Address
Speaker 3: and ship, I think we're just gonna get Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: great fucking R and B shit.
Speaker 4: And I want to see him just like what the
Speaker 4: next chapter of his solo career, because like, I still
Speaker 4: want to hear what he got. He's still tough, like
Speaker 4: all all that shit aside, Like I still want to
Speaker 4: hear what you got to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, besides Saba, who I love? What else you're listening to?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I fucked with Viking by Baby for some reason. It's
Speaker 1: a great song.
Speaker 4: Other than that, there's a band called Crumban. It's like
Speaker 4: an alternative band. That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: They just want to Grammy, I think too.
Speaker 1: Sary's new project got a couple of good ones.
Speaker 3: That's my guy.
Speaker 4: Somehow I ended up on Jesus Peace. I've been listened
Speaker 4: to name Me King the Game album yeah, it's underrating
Speaker 4: heavy rotation. I don't think there's a skip on that album.
Speaker 1: Uh is Crazy and Jack Harlow Tranquility, Okay, it's a banger.
Speaker 2: I'm listening to It's crazy. Kodak Black put out a
Speaker 2: project for Christmas, and I've been listening to that, like
Speaker 2: MS Christmas thing I didn't even know, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's it's it's like it's short.
Speaker 3: It's a maybe seven records seven eight.
Speaker 1: What is he for?
Speaker 3: Like deck the halls with fentanyl? Like what is he?
Speaker 2: He's not decking the halls with Fit, but it's some
Speaker 2: joints on there that I'm like, damn. Like Yah put
Speaker 2: out a nice little project with Kodak. I think he
Speaker 2: could really wrap too. He put out a he put
Speaker 2: out a nice project around CHRISTI surious with that.
Speaker 3: Check it out.
Speaker 1: I cannot get past the halls. Was Fit.
Speaker 3: And you shouldn't deck the halls. Let's put that on.
Speaker 3: Definitely take it to me. I saw take it from.
Speaker 1: Darren.
Speaker 3: I saw I saw a video.
Speaker 2: There's this guy online that's doing this thing where he's
Speaker 2: taking rolls of duct tape and he's wrapping it around
Speaker 2: like two poles and he's trying to run through it.
Speaker 2: So he's seeing how many rolls he can run through,
Speaker 2: so he goes ten.
Speaker 3: He gets through that easy, twenty easy.
Speaker 2: So he gets up to one hundred rolls of duct
Speaker 2: tape that he wraps between two poles and tries to
Speaker 2: run through the tape and he ran. He tried to
Speaker 2: run through hundred rolls and knocked him back. He hit
Speaker 2: his head on the pole, called a concussion, so they
Speaker 2: called an ambulance.
Speaker 3: So he's in the car. He's like, yeah, so you know,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna give me? Take time?
Speaker 2: He said, Man, you know, we just probably get some fitting.
Speaker 2: As he looked like Finn like I've seen that clip.
Speaker 2: It was a dude in the uh in the hospital before.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, we just got to he said. He
Speaker 2: was like emotionally, he said.
Speaker 3: You're like that, like, no, cool. I think I'm alright.
Speaker 3: I'll get up anyone that's looking for Fendyl like wait,
Speaker 3: I just got to run my head. Yeah I'm cool.
Speaker 3: I'm cool. Hell, this was great man, Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for coming through. Appreciate this pleasure to finally meet you.
Speaker 2: We definitely got to do this again during once the
Speaker 2: NFL season kicks back off, so we could talk some
Speaker 2: ship about some players that we don't know nothing about
Speaker 2: because roory mall don't know ball.
Speaker 3: But are we sitting here with Dren.
Speaker 1: We gonna do some film.
Speaker 3: We got to do it, like a film breakdown, a
Speaker 3: break down, some film.
Speaker 4: See y'all's coverage, if y'all know coverages, if y'all know
Speaker 4: listen route.
Speaker 2: I stopped playing Madden because it got too technical. Like
Speaker 2: once you told me like, yo, if you pressed the
Speaker 2: button too hard, he's gonna throw it into the ground.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'm done, Like I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't do this shit no more.
Speaker 2: So. I don't know no fucking routes. All I know
Speaker 2: is a few players, and I know when you should
Speaker 2: throw the ball. I don't look at coverage.
Speaker 3: Which is when when when you know he's opening, you know.
Speaker 2: When the receiver, you know, when y'all running, y'all do
Speaker 2: this thing right here, like kind of let the quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like let it go, let's go.
Speaker 3: That's all I know. Yeah, when you do this, get
Speaker 3: it to him, like just fucking just throw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now we can have a session. I can tell
Speaker 4: y'all like why people do certain things. Why this coverage
Speaker 4: is happening. Why I love that scheme a little. But
Speaker 4: then y'all can know ball and tell them fuckers, what's what?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Matt?
Speaker 3: Cover three, Cover two, I know Cover one. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: played Madden two. I know all that coverage too, So
Speaker 3: not the same. I played high school football. About fires
Speaker 3: on blitz, I mean, somebody gonna blitz.
Speaker 2: That sounds like that sounds like somebody the quarterback about
Speaker 2: to get hurt.
Speaker 3: That's the fire zone. It sounds like two dudes just
Speaker 3: coming from here. I think I saw it.
Speaker 1: That's I remember that fire zone is.
Speaker 4: You have a blitzer, like say like the Nickels blitzing,
Speaker 4: but somebody's dropping, so it can uses. It's the same
Speaker 4: number of people that would be rushing on a normal
Speaker 4: pass rush, but they're changing. They're trying to confuse the defense,
Speaker 4: like if you ever sak a defensive end dropping the coverage.
Speaker 4: They're confusing the offensive line because usually they'll slide this way,
Speaker 4: but then they'll be like, oh shit, that's where you
Speaker 4: see somebody just running unblocked. That's the hardest shit in
Speaker 4: football and offens lines picking up those blits and stunts.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get there, got you, baby steps, baby steps,
Speaker 3: We're getting there. That's Darren Waller. We appreciate you, my brother,
Speaker 3: and we've saw to you soon for sure.
Speaker 4: No