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Speaker 2: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 3: People like going back to the monetization thing. Most people

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Speaker 3: why do you think that it's just not enough money

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying, ads transition to like super Bowl, it's

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Speaker 3: Now most people are not going to get a lot

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Speaker 3: So I feel like ads should always be a add on,

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Speaker 3: But you got to be creative to find ways to

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Speaker 3: That's up to you to figure out your own business

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Speaker 3: model what you have to offer. But how can I

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of podcasters don't fully understand that either.

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Speaker 4: Now because again they okay with just the audience. Here's

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Speaker 4: what needs to be done to get to that next level. Right,

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Speaker 4: So say I need to be out there selling shirts

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Speaker 5: That will help my business. The minute they put me.

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Speaker 4: So it cripples you. It's like it says, damn, okay,

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Speaker 4: now I'm too big to do that. Well you have

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Speaker 3: But then also everybody's not a business person too, so

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Speaker 3: from a media standpoint of I just want to talk

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Speaker 3: Most recording artists just want to wrap and then they

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Speaker 3: like you signed a deal, it's not a bad deal

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Speaker 3: because you're not a business person. So you need somebody

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Speaker 3: sure you're here and all of that. But we the

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Speaker 5: Can you compete with five million a year?

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Speaker 3: Can we can people five million a year? We compete

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Speaker 4: Perhaps, so what I'm saying it's allowed to it'll take

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Speaker 5: I mean three year, twenty million dollar joint.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I'm if we get to maintain an ownership

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Speaker 4: Because I think every big podcast is maintaining ownership.

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Speaker 3: Man, are they I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm asking you, what's your deal on that? I don't

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Speaker 6: And then again people don't know they see the money,

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Speaker 6: that's the carrot.

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Speaker 5: How do I get it?

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Speaker 6: How long do I have that to show our propetuity?

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Speaker 6: I don't even know what that means. I signed it.

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Speaker 5: Not no big shows.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not saying thank you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, though, we don't know speak, but we

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Speaker 5: We may have heard that. Wow, we may have wow.

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Speaker 3: There's something. If there's something. Shows that I know that

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Speaker 4: Wow o God, y'all' talk off here about it?

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Speaker 3: Is that once again going back to information, right.

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Speaker 5: You didn't think they were going out saying so I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm not one of those people that saying like it's

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Speaker 4: It's bad to give away rights if specially if you

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Speaker 4: so people out there in TV land, these companies won't

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Speaker 4: So if they say I want your show, right, they

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Speaker 4: usually only offer those kind of deals to people with

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Speaker 5: They don't offer those to some Joe blow off the

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Speaker 4: So you're coming with a built in fan base and

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Speaker 4: you don't even have faith in it, but you have

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Speaker 3: It because yeah, because once again they have the relationships

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Speaker 5: This is the easy one. I just take the money.

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Speaker 5: Did y'all take care of that? I'll do this. Wow.

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Speaker 5: They go from owners to talent very quickly.

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Speaker 3: But like I said, signing because Nipsey Hustle doesn't become

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Speaker 5: Now, yeah, you some points.

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Speaker 3: You gotta make a you gotta make it, gotta make

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Speaker 5: So y'all saying y'all won't sign.

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Speaker 3: We did sign. We signed to our heart for two years.

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Speaker 4: But I'm saying if somebody won't action on video, action

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Speaker 3: Everything is negotiable. Everything is negotiable. I feel like you

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Speaker 4: So y'all would take a three sixty invest fits and on.

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Speaker 4: We could set going in on everything. If it's enough money,

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Speaker 5: What's enough money?

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Speaker 3: It has its.

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Speaker 5: Good question?

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Speaker 3: Did you hear last week's market?

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Speaker 5: Money?

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Speaker 3: But I mean, but that's real talk though, right. Anybody

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Speaker 3: Somebody come with a check for a billion dollars?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. What's the valuation of this company? It's

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Speaker 6: three billion? Okay, Well, guys, we've earned our leasion, right,

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Speaker 6: it's been real.

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Speaker 4: Worth on the show that's getting two million downloads?

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Speaker 5: Like? What what is the gauge?

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Speaker 4: What is what? What's the gauge for a young podcast

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Speaker 5: What's the gauge? I think you said it.

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Speaker 6: So I'm going in with it, not with the traditional

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Speaker 6: man of this is my CPM and if I hit

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Speaker 6: not because I know when you go to corporate and

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Speaker 6: you're not telling them that, and that's.

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Speaker 5: The game they try to lock young.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the game is this though, because me trust.

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Speaker 4: And let me say this for the onlookers, I play

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Speaker 4: both games. Right, even with Slim and Husky's and other brands. Again,

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Speaker 4: I have my own relationships with brands, my Bookie, other

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Speaker 4: they do play that CPM game on the other side,

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Speaker 3: Here's the machine. Here's the thing. Here's the thing with

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Speaker 3: especially when it comes to business. The more math that's required,

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Speaker 3: the higher probably that you're going to get screwed. Right

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Speaker 3: because this this, this, this is this s that they do.

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Speaker 3: They do it CPM. Most people't even know what the

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Speaker 3: CPM is, right, And it's like if you if you do,

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Speaker 3: if you put it at at the beginning of the episode,

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Speaker 3: that's the most valuable. Middle episode we called Mini. That's

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Speaker 3: the second most valuable. The first one is pre roll

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Speaker 3: pre roll. Let me just finish.

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Speaker 5: Hold on because I want you to be very clear.

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Speaker 6: In terms of money, the midrod is going to be

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Speaker 6: that's going to be sixty seconds. They could put two

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Speaker 6: to say, well, there's a lot of ads here. Well,

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Speaker 6: they'll say, all right, Well, if that's the mid road

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Speaker 3: I got so. And then it's like, all right, so

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Speaker 3: you get paid seventeen fifty per cpm per thousand downloads

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Speaker 6: Dollars seventeen thousand and fifty cents per every thousand per thousand, right,

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Speaker 6: so by the time you get twenty thousand downloads, no, no, sorry,

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Speaker 3: But then it's but then it's a seventy thirty split, right,

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Speaker 3: it's a seventy thirty split, seventy year away, thirty thirty

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Speaker 3: if you do one hundred thousand downloads for that episode,

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Speaker 3: how much money did you make? Exactly? So that's the

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Speaker 3: whole point. It's confusing me. I never really got past

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Speaker 3: calculators too complicated. You needed to be twenty grand episode,

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Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars an episode. Yeah, I can do that.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad y'all see this game.

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Speaker 3: This good twenty thousand dollars an episode for a sixty

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Speaker 4: That, right, it's very simple, very simple. A CPM is triggery.

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Speaker 4: What you're saying it sounds like more.

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Speaker 5: Here's the other part, right, how do you know how

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Speaker 6: Because the machine gonna have to download me there, and

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Speaker 6: they're gonna tell you, well, you didn't meet the metric

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Speaker 5: Track it to they got third party ship, but you

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Speaker 3: Now you gotta get a forensic account. Once again, the

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Speaker 3: more complicated the math, the higher probability you have of

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Speaker 3: getting screwed. They keep it complicated on purpose. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: get a minimum guarantee, but you gotta you gotta hit

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Speaker 3: we have our firm and back and they counting these numbers,

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Speaker 5: What happens when it strength? What's the stream versus down.

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Speaker 5: What happens when you don't hit the minimum guarantee? Then

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Speaker 5: this is a yeah, what happens when you don't hit it?

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Speaker 5: They're trying to recop get your money. Yeah, we got

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Speaker 5: to recoup this money. And now it's the rap game.

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Speaker 5: But you know you're in the rig in the red.

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Speaker 6: You know, No, we're not paying you that because we

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Speaker 6: got to get the money because the first season you

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Speaker 6: didn't really make that.

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Speaker 5: Well, how we're looking at the message every month?

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Speaker 3: All this is a question mark even YouTube. Nobody really knows.

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Speaker 3: It's just YouTube. It's just too big and too powerful

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Speaker 3: where you don't really have an option. Right, it's like

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Speaker 3: actually coming into YouTube, how they're distributing it. Because some

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Speaker 4: And then it's constantly changing. Then it can be affected

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Speaker 6: But they so they do RPM when you do the

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Speaker 6: visuals right, So the CPM is what they're gonna pay

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Speaker 6: the brand, right, but they're gonna take their percentage, and

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Speaker 6: so what you get broken down to is the RPM.

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Speaker 6: And so the CPM might be twenty five dollars, right,

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Speaker 6: but by the time you get to you it's fourteen

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Speaker 5: It's like, wait, what what happened?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's like the trip, like like the

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Speaker 3: That so I would I would recommend for any podcast

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Speaker 3: paid per episode. That makes the negotiate based off of that,

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Speaker 3: because once you get in the CPM game, and once

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Speaker 4: That makes sense too, that CPM and kind of make

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Speaker 4: the water blurry. But it's people that swear by the CPM.

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Speaker 3: Game because it's traditional model. This is what they this

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Speaker 3: is what they set as a standard for the industry.

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Speaker 3: But there is no industry standing because we don't know

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Speaker 4: See the industry, I'm playing both games, like I'm playing

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, how's Patreon working out?

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Speaker 4: It's doing good, man, It's because I haven't been as see,

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Speaker 5: And say, hold on, I got to focus on get

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Speaker 4: Out there, help brand bill while we and it fluctuate

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Speaker 4: is one thing I do give Joe credit for. You

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Speaker 4: have to be diligent fucking with them paying customers. It's

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Speaker 4: a different relationship, right. See, you have people that have

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Speaker 4: you is for the free. They don't even fuck with

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Speaker 4: you outside of the free. That's what I'm saying. When

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Speaker 4: back here. Why it caught you something? You gotta be

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 5: Just think about this.

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Speaker 4: They paying me twenty five dollars, ten dollars, some people

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Speaker 5: They give Netflix twelve and they load them down. I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about this. Some of the best quality of shit

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Speaker 6: At some point point, there's going to be a comment

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Speaker 6: is worth twenty five hours, twenty five hours, and this

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Speaker 6: is what I'm dealing with. Wow, So like we gotta

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