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Speaker 1: A guy wrote in yesterday send us an email. Dude

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Speaker 1: other things it had to me last night. I read that,

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Speaker 1: didn't be your ass, you got caught watching TV, like

427
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: the old man like, caught you watching TV, you're absolutely

428
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: gonna be put on a chore list to where he

429
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: takes like a legal pad and and name chores until

430
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: he hit the bottom of the legal pad. Yeah, there's

431
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: a lot of chores. You couldn't watch TV if you

432
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: got well, if you got caught watching TV, he's gonna

433
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: hit you with the chore list. If you were if

434
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: you were out hunting, fishing, he was. That was the

435
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: number one that like, that's good. Every other thing I

436
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: will make you go do chores. So I think that

437
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: instilled that I haven't tried to help my kids because

438
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: it just seems a little bit like prone to backfire.

439
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: But he raised people to like the yeah work for him. UM,

440
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: get to get to Uh, why is it hard to hit?

441
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm asking you this because I feel like you're

442
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: sort of a student of the mind, right, Why is

443
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: it different to hit something living than is the hit

444
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: a target with people? Consequence? You understand the question. It's pressure.

445
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as fighting. There's a lot of

446
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: people that can fight UM in the gym. Like, you

447
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: get them in the gym and they're they're there with

448
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: people that they know, and they spa and they look

449
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: like a world beater. But then you put them in

450
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: at a world beater. I mean, they could beat everybody

451
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: in the world, world champ. It's a fight expression, um,

452
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: but you get them in an actual competition with some

453
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: stranger and you know, the pressure of it is just

454
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: too much. The pressure they can't manage their mind. A

455
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: lot of it is managing stress, consequences, possibilities, probabilities, and

456
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: then managing the idea that there's going to be uh,

457
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: the consequences of a failure and that what what could

458
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: go wrong. You could get knocked, you could get beat,

459
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: you could get humiliated, and all those things are just overwhelming.

460
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: They dwell on the negative so much they can't handle it.

461
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of being able to maintain a

462
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: mindset under pressure. And I think that all those things

463
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: whatever you do, whether it's live performance or you do

464
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: a stand up comedy show or you know, archery or fighting,

465
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: it's like the thing that they have in common is

466
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: that there's expectations, there's uh, there's there's there's high levels

467
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: of stress and adrenaline and nerves, and you have to

468
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: be able to manage a mindset in the middle of those.

469
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: And that's a big thing when an animal comes out

470
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: because one of the things, like there's a parallel between

471
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: playing pool. When you play pool, you should never think,

472
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: I hope I don't miss this shot, because if you do,

473
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna fucking miss. You just are going to miss.

474
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: You can't think that. You can literally cannot think that.

475
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's see if I make it, I

476
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: can't do it. You mean, you might make it one

477
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: out of a hundred, but I really believe that the

478
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: vast major any times if you go into a shot

479
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: with that mindset, you will miss. And this is like

480
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: taught this way and billiard academies. There's a mindset that's

481
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: taught like it's just very similar to archery and that

482
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: you have of fundamentals, you have technique in position. But

483
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: then when you imagine and visualize that shot, you must

484
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: visualize that shot going in the perfect hit, follow through,

485
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: and just go through with it. But there's all like, oh,

486
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: don't sunk this up. Oh it's guys, grow it up.

487
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: There's all these nerves that come in and you have

488
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: to learn how to manage that mindset. It's the same

489
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: thing with bow hunting. With bow hunting, I remember the

490
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: first time I shot an animal with a bow. It's

491
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: like the consequences are so grave. You know, you've got

492
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: this razor sharp broadhead, you're pulling the bow back, you're

493
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: centering the pin. You're looking at your like, what am

494
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: I gonna do this? I'm I gonna do this now?

495
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: Like what if I miss? What if I suck this up?

496
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: Like what? There's all these things you have to go No, no, no,

497
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: just go through your checklist, center your peep, make sure

498
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: you have your anchor points in place, make sure your

499
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: hands not grip it in a death grip. You gotta

500
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: go through this whole line of thing. There's a great

501
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: website called Iron Mind Hunting with this guy Joel Turner.

502
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: He's a snipering sniper instructor. You know what my body,

503
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: Matt Elliott, it was just tell me about this and

504
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: trying and talking to me and Yanni about going to

505
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: meeting with this guy. Are going to do some of

506
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: this guy say it's gonna be the same guy. He's

507
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: gotta be the same guy. You should do a podcast

508
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: with him. He's great. He does a lot of podcasts,

509
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: but he's got a whole website that will take you

510
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: through like because you know, he trains people that are

511
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: you know, fucking clear and buildings and ship he trains

512
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: people that are first responders. He trains a lot of

513
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: police force people. And it's about being able to stay

514
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: calm under pressure in the difference between closed loop systems

515
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: and open loop systems in the mind, meaning that you

516
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: know you you could. You gotta be able to stop

517
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: it at any time. You can't like like a bat,

518
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: Like you start swinging a bat the balls coming, You're

519
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: not going to stop that in the middle, right, But

520
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: when you draw Cabo. It has to be conscious. You

521
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: have to be able to go, you have to be

522
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: able to let down. You have to be able to know,

523
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: like when the shot is bad, when it's not breaking,

524
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and you've got to be able to execute to the

525
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: point where you're really legitimately getting this closed. I don't understand.

526
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I forget which one it is. I totally get what

527
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: you're saying, but I don't know. I think it's open.

528
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: I think it's open to uh, it's open to to

529
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: to being changed or interrupting. I think it's open loop.

530
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I think that. I hope I don't sunk this up.

531
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: See Jamie Semi looked that up there as you open

532
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: loop and closed loop systems. So the first time it

533
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: happened to you, were you able to maintain luckily? But yeah,

534
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: but I recognized, like, oh boy, okay, there's a lot

535
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: a lot to think about here. Old You're forty five,

536
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was old enough so that I was like,

537
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: I'd gone through a lot of other ship before that

538
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: was difficult. But then I recognized, like, oh great, welcome

539
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: to my next obsession, because now I'm fucking balls deep

540
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: in this, Like I just got so obsessed with it.

541
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: I remember getting like getting it nariled down to sorry,

542
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like it's a little

543
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: bit of like a luxury to do it at it

544
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: when you're older, because you have more control over your mind.

545
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: When I shot my first deer, this was a shotgun,

546
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: not a bow. Actually, I think a couple of days beforehand,

547
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: I had missed a dough with my bowl and it

548
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: was I mean, the era had fallen off my rest.

549
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: I was shaking so bad, like literally had hit the ground,

550
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, the leaves, and I put it back in

551
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: there and shot and I don't remember anything about that moment.

552
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: It was just like no, it was like went over back.

553
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, but the same thing two days later with

554
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: with the shotgun. It was sort of just like, oh

555
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: my god, there's a deer bang bang, bang, and wow,

556
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: it's it's on the ground dead, like as a kid.

557
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I was probably closer

558
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: to twenty, you know, five years later until I was

559
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: finally like, oh, starting to think like you are, you know,

560
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, here's the moment when ship starts

561
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: to get crazy and I need to pull back in

562
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: and started to think through the process my early rig

563
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: that I started, and I missed my first year with

564
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: a bow when I was I remember I missed it

565
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: one year before you were allowed to hunt. I missed

566
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: my first year of the bow when I was eleven,

567
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: and the bow I was using was it was a compound,

568
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: but it just had a stick on remember flipper rests. Yeah,

569
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: it's like a little wire on a adhesive pad that

570
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: you would stick to the rise of the bow and

571
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: now as your rest. We shot with finger tabs, no pins,

572
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: So just like shooting instinctive with fingers, but basically shooting

573
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: like a recurp. But it has to be a compound.

574
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Some guys still do that. Oh yeah, it's it'd be

575
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: like it's a great compromise, you know. Yeah, I heard

576
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: a good argument for it. The guy was saying, like,

577
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: think about how much more flat a compound bow shoots

578
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: than a recurve. Like if you just have the same

579
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: weight arrow all the time and just get used to it,

580
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna have a pretty good sense of

581
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: where that thing's gonna go based on just you know,

582
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: like the same way you have a feeling if you

583
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: throw a ball where that ball is gonna go. Yeah,

584
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: so practice. Like now, it's like people either they go

585
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: to the extremes, you know, you see, like people like, Okay,

586
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm done with all this tech. I'm done the technology.

587
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm just going stick bow. Yeah you can all, yeah,

588
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: the stripped down compound. But I got to be where,

589
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, when I would shoot at a deer with

590
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: my bow. After all, I got to be where I

591
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of knew what was gonna happen. But you're talking

592
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: about you're on a platform in a tree in your

593
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: shots twenty yard gulestue from the base of tree. But

594
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: I got to be where it wasn't well, I wasn't

595
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: hail marrying. But then when I started encountering elk with

596
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: a bow, everything came undone even even not even even

597
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: but even cow really just because they're so big, just big,

598
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: and you're on the ground. I think being on the

599
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: ground with them and they're so big that makes so

600
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: much noise coming through the woods, and noise they may, however,

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: be with a I remember being with a girlfriend of

602
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: mine and we were had some elk feeding up hill

603
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: and then I had already tagged out, but she was

604
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: hunting these elk coming up and this bowl eventually comes up,

605
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: easy shot, He's got an direction. He's screaming. She never

606
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: even pulled her bow back, and I stood there, stood

607
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: there and walked off, and she just looks at me,

608
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: look in her face like holy sh it, and never

609
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: even like thought to draw the boat. But I had

610
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: a similar thing, and I remember I couldn't get I'd

611
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: get the shot opportunities and blow him the first handful

612
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: of him, I'd blow him. And when I was reviewing

613
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: my mind, like I cannot remember shooting, and I eventually

614
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: forced myself like o oh man. He used to put

615
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: these stickers on the limb on the rise of our

616
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: bolt and said, stay calm, pick a spot. Not that

617
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna remember to look at the sticker, but you

618
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: just like helped, like getting that in your head. I

619
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: remember getting to be with if I can remember one

620
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: thing when I pulled back, if I can get myself

621
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: to think of one thing, And I got in my

622
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: head like lift your elbow, lift your elbow, because I

623
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: knew that if I thought to lift my elbow, all

624
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: the other stuff with ball in place and the first

625
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: bowl I killed. I going down the hill and I

626
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: could see a cow bedded down in front of me,

627
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, ship, now I'm sticking. I knew

628
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: the bull is down lower, but I couldn't move, and

629
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: eventually that bull came up to her pulled back. I

630
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: remember it was the first time I ever had him

631
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: having like lift your elbow, just lift your elbow and

632
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: through the heart, took two steps and fell over. I

633
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: thought it was loosening. I was like, something must be

634
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: wrong with me, because I swear I just hit that

635
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: bullet that fell over dead, like you better like check

636
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: my vitals. It just took one conscious act and not

637
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: just just stop. Because this is a normal thing for you, right,

638
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: this hunting experienced a normal thing for you. Imagine the

639
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Speaker 1: average person who works in a cubicle, who drives in traffic,

640
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: who deals with nonsense, corporate office bullshit, and human resources.

641
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Imagine that experience. How alien that is, the intense pressure

642
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: of the moment, all the stuff running through your head,

643
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: trying to manage the adrenaline executing the shot. The average

644
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: person has no connection to that experience. But I wonder, like,

645
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: if having no connection to it, where could it be

646
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: that if you don't care, it's not scary. Yes, well

647
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: it won't be as nerve racking. If you don't care,

648
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: for sure, if you don't want it, that's what my brother,

649
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna care. My older brother what he dislikes about

650
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: when you messes something up and he's like, I hate that.

651
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm so susceptible to lust, Like I lost I want

652
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: that bowl so yeah, yeah, so bad that something like

653
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: some weird like snaps a system balls apart and I

654
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: can't get it. It's like, I just need to control

655
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: the lust. If he could want it a little less,

656
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: you would do better. That's the same thing with fighting, though.

657
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: You have to be able to you have to be

658
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: able to be zen in the moment and manage all

659
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: the pressure. That's what it is. It's the pressure, like

660
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: you want it so bad that you're you're out of composure,

661
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: you're not you're not post, you're not together in that situation.

662
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: So it is do you feel like getting um Do

663
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: you feel like your experience fighting change how you're to

664
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: look at it that you've been just hitting the face

665
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: a bunch and had like just dealt with sort of

666
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: fear and and performance. I think it helps, for sure.

667
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm used to being nervous, like I've been nervous at everything,

668
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: So like, I know how to handle this, I know

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Speaker 1: what nerves are. You still get nervous walking out to

670
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Speaker 1: do in front of a a big audience. Yeah, yeah, I

671
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: still get a little nervous. But could you this is

672
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: another question I like when I think about this, when

673
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about the consequences thing, can you stay in

674
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: front of a mirror and do your act? No? I

675
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: don't do that because there's no consequence. Yeah, well it's

676
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: just not not beneficial. There's nothing good. So it's not

677
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: that it's it's not that it feels awkward. It's just

678
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: gross staring at yourself talking and just be too weird.

679
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: It'd be too like I'd be too too aware of

680
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: how goofy it is. Just stand in front of a

681
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: mirror and practice, you get the comedy is a weird

682
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: thing that you kind of have to practice it in

683
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: front of an audience. It's really the only way it goes.

684
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: I write solitary. I write solo and then but basically

685
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: the writing is almost like just a framework, scaffolding, and

686
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: then I just go on stage with those ideas and

687
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: I have to flesh them out in front of a

688
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: live crowd. When you when you write comedy. Do you

689
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: are you writing? How when I imagine someone who deals

690
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: in the written word rights, Are you sitting there writing

691
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: or is it just that you're always writing because it's

692
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: in your head? And sit down and write. I sit

693
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: down on the laptop. I have a program called You

694
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Write Dialogue. Yeah. Yeah, Well most of the time I

695
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: write out like essay form, and then I extract bits

696
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: from it. Have you ever heard of right Room? Do

697
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: you know the right Room? It's pretty cool. It's it's

698
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: software that blacks out everything, doesn't give you access to

699
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: your you don't have, so it's black and then the

700
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: is green like the terminator, like the matrix type ship.

701
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: And um, I like that because he gives me this

702
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: complete side. There's a version of it for Windows, to

703
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: which I occasionally use. Occasionally use Windows. But um, what

704
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: I do is I write everything as like an essay,

705
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: and then once I'm done writing it as an essay,

706
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: then I go over it and I try to figure out, Okay,

707
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: where are the Yum, we open up a recentone here,

708
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: where are the where the bits in? Here? Well, you're

709
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: writing it to yourself. I'm just writing you know this. This

710
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: This is what it looks like. Yeah, and what's the

711
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: program called. It's called right room. M hm. How long

712
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: how much time goes by between when you first have

713
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: like you're driving around or whatever and you go like, oh,

714
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: it's funny the thing that has passed through my mind.

715
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: How much time does it take from that for that

716
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: to become a joke, for that to become a thing

717
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: to deliriately delivered to an audience. Sometimes it's an instant.

718
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll have an idea and that it's almost like

719
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: a done bit, Like I'll go on stage with it

720
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: and it requires very little tweaking, so like it's there.

721
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I just know I have the idea. I had this

722
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: whole you've seen that bit, that bit that I hope

723
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: just to do about vegans. This like a whole long

724
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: bit about vegans. About vegans always like to say humans

725
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: are the only animal to drink the milk of another animal.

726
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know what else? Only people do

727
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: fly planes, make movies, call each other on the phone

728
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: and tell each other how awesome milk is? Like kind

729
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: of stupid fucking point is that? And that bit all

730
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: this was a long chunk and it all came out

731
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: of like one conversation that I had with this one

732
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: prostlytizing Vegan. I was like, this is such an annoying conversation,

733
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Like you haven't done both sides of this conversation. You

734
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: haven't done the response, Like how would other people look

735
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: at this? Like You've just got this idea in your

736
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: head that everybody thinks like you, and you're gonna push

737
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: this thought through. And that bit came out like literally,

738
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: I wrote it on a plane and it literally it

739
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: went from the laptop to being on Comedy Central, all

740
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: in the same form. But does I always have to

741
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: pass through the laptop? The laptop is not required. Sometimes

742
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: I'll have an idea that never hits the laptop, and

743
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: then I just bring it up on stage and like,

744
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: I'll bring it up on stage and I'll start working

745
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: with it, and then I'll tweak it on stage and

746
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: then but I always have to write it out on

747
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: top of it too. Over the last three years, I've

748
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: modern I've modified my technique, and one of things that

749
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: I've realized is that the best way two to really

750
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: refine the bits is to do them. And then once

751
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: I'm doing them, even if they work on stage, then

752
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I take them and I sit alone with them with

753
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: the laptop, and I rewrite them, and I'll rewrite them

754
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: from like two different angles. I'll say, Okay, well, I

755
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: know we're gonna come at it from this way. Let's

756
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: come out of from another way. Let's go your you

757
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: got this bit, we got this. The premise is already

758
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: locked down in this form it or it's already functional.

759
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: But let's let's see it happens if we come at

760
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: it from this way. Let's see what happens if we

761
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: come out it from that way. And then um, sometimes

762
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I'll take a little piece of that and I'll take

763
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: a piece away from the other one, and all this

764
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: piece fits better there. And it's a constant, bloody struggle

765
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: of like editing and observing and just trying to be

766
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: objective and going back and trying it again and trying

767
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: it soft, trying it hard, trying to slow, trying to fast.

768
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: You gotta figure out where where it works. There's a

769
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: thing you do. You gotta be aware of it where

770
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: you bait your audience into. Like let's just say, let's

771
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: say you decide for a minute, hack on. You're gonna

772
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: hack on like Republicans and not not that you you

773
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: know you don't do like a Republican bit. But let's

774
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: just say you're gonna hack out Republicans for a minute,

775
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: and you get like a certain segment of your crowd

776
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of like they're loving it, they love hearing this ship.

777
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: But then you're gonna turn around and like very quickly

778
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: flip something and attack the exact opposite. And I feel like,

779
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: and I've seen you a couple of times where I

780
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: feel like you almost throw out like a false bait

781
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: um when you used to have used to have a

782
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: you throw on a false bait, and it gets like

783
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: some guys in the crowd ready to go, like they're like,

784
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: I can't wait for coming next. He's gonna attack the

785
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: thing that's most annoying to me in life. But then

786
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: you just like pounce and go the other direction and

787
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: just annihilate the idea that you're hoping that they're hoping

788
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna, yeah, pursue. Do you keep in mind the balance?

789
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have to, Like I have a dog

790
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: on guys, the dog on ladies. But you gotta go

791
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: first of all, because I'm a guy, and because of

792
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: the type of guy that I am, I have to

793
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: go hard on guys. First, like over the top, whether

794
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: it could be no doubt at all that I've I've

795
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: just come. Yeah, every fucked up thing about being a

796
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: man has to be just beaten down, exposed, even exaggerated,

797
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: and then you can move on to the ladies. Ladies. Yeah,

798
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: but you have to have I mean, you see my

799
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: news set when I was in Seattle. So I've I've

800
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: got this whole chunk that I'm doing on that you

801
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: know about this team thing that people do or they

802
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: just they only you know, like like people get real tribal,

803
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: Like women want to stick up. Like there's a lot

804
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: of women that, like I had conversations with women where

805
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: they failed to recognize that Hillary Clinton was a terrible

806
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: candidate for president, Like they failed to recognize it because

807
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: they wanted a woman in there so bad. And I'm like,

808
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: that is so tribal. I'm like, this woman, first of all,

809
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: doesn't care about you. She didn't support gay marriage until

810
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen. She's a fucking politician. She's as

811
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: dirty as they come. She did these speeches for bankers

812
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: which she was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, won't

813
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: release the transcripts, and you know that there's like, there's

814
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: so of the Clinton Foundation is dirty to the core,

815
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: there's so much about her that's compromised, and people like

816
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't care. I want a woman. I want a woman.

817
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm like that woman. This one, this is a terrible one.

818
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I got. I got the admission you're after, or not

819
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: the youth specific actor, but I got an admission like

820
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: this out of a friend of mine where we're talking

821
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: about the Russia meddling issue, and I and just how

822
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, just what needs to happen, and this is,

823
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, on on precedented, and I was saying, so

824
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: let's let's look at this for a minute. That let's

825
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: say Hillary Clinton had one. And it later emerged that

826
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: Huma Aberdeen had gotten an email from some suspicious source saying, hey,

827
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: I got some real dope on your opponent, Um, would

828
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: you like to hear it? And she says, oh, yeah, sure,

829
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear that, and they got it. Would

830
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: you now be saying that Hillary Clint should resign? Well no, okay.

831
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, so you agree that you're using

832
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: your you're pretending to be outraged about something because it

833
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: serves your ends like that, We just we live now

834
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: in a pretend outrage world. Everything is just us pretending

835
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: to be more upset about ship than we actually are. Well,

836
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: people get almost did it today and I was trying

837
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: to I was like, I guess I should probably pretend

838
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: to care more in order to frame the kind of

839
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: argument that that people are after. People do get upset,

840
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons why they get

841
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: upset is because there's no real consequences in life, like

842
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: the real the actual day to day struggle is so

843
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: far removed from the primal world in which we evolved

844
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: that are day to day differences about ideologies and about

845
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: left versus right, or man versus woman or whatever. They's

846
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: so they're almost me. It's like petty, Yeah, they're petty.

847
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: They don't they don't carry any real weight, you know,

848
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: So this man versus woman thing. Look, all presidents suck.

849
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: We've never had a single president that didn't suck. It's

850
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: a terrible job. It's a job that would be great

851
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: if there was a hundred of us. But the idea

852
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: that one king monkey is gonna run three million people,

853
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: it's just bananas, doesn't make any sense. So whether it's

854
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton or whether it's and then the idea of

855
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: two parties. That's ridiculous to and anybody doesn't want to

856
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: agree to that, Like, come on, man, you don't see

857
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: that scam. We have a left versus a right. That's it.

858
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: There's no room for nuance. What about a third party,

859
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: a fourth fifth? No one takes those seriously. We just

860
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: we have a weird sort of monopoly between these two

861
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: very prominent parties. I think that the people that do

862
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: get upset about this stuff and the people that do

863
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: get locked in, I don't even think they know what

864
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: they're doing. I think they're acting on like ancient reward

865
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: systems that like try want to protect the veracity of

866
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: their tribe and anything that's against their tribe. They dismiss ah,

867
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: Like what was going on with Fox News when all

868
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: the Russia stuff was going on, All they wanted to

869
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: talk about was Hillary Clinton's emails. It's all anybody wanted

870
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: to talk about. Well, well, Hillary Clinton. When they'll grab

871
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: the pussy tape came out, it was Hillary Clinton and

872
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: her emails. Like, they didn't even spend a moment on

873
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: the idea that you are setting an example for all

874
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: of the human beings in this kind of the president

875
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: sets a tone. Do we really want to say that

876
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: we're okay with a president of the United States, the

877
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: commander of the military that is the greatest army the

878
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: world has ever known. This guy is okay with saying

879
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 1: you can grab them by a pussy. I was trying

880
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: to kiss this girl. I moved on her like a bitch.

881
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: I always have gone on me because I always want

882
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: to have my breath, Because I just kiss, I just kiss.

883
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: I can't help myself. Like it sounds like a fucking meniac, right,

884
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: He would argue he was doing stand up. Well, he

885
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: probably was, probably was. I mean, that's that is a

886
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: really good look. There's a real good argument for having

887
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: something like that being a massive violation of privacy and

888
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: should be punishable by some sort of an extreme way. Yeah,

889
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: I remember you joking before that, Why is everybody not

890
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: super mad at Bob Marley? For I was gonna shot

891
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: shot the sure if people aren't met Yeah, yeah, yeah,

892
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: that was that was another bit that IOL do. Yeah,

893
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: this these ideas, I think, um, people get so wrapped

894
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: up in there. We we have these weird patterns, you know,

895
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: when we're very tribal in our defense of our our

896
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: patterns you know, and I think that's what you're seeing

897
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: with left versus right. I think you see that with

898
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: hunters versus vegans too. I mean, I've got a bit

899
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: in my actor. I'm like, there's vegans that are vegans

900
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: because they really care and they wouldn't want animals to die.

901
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: And then there's vegans were really only vegans because scientology

902
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: didn't find them first. Yeah, these dumb motherfucker's could have

903
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: joined the Taliban if they took the wrong exit. They're stupid.

904
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: They just found a group that will take them in

905
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: and now they have vegan in their screen name, and they'll,

906
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, they'll attack. Well, the thing I like most

907
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: about vegans, or maybe it's least I can't decide, and

908
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't like to to to

909
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: like you're saying, you know, I don't like try to

910
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: put them all in the same box. But it's such

911
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: a radical aparture from norms. Yeah. Right, so it's like

912
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: you're engaged in this. You have this belief system that's

913
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: just really I mean, it's radical from any perspective historically, right,

914
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: like contemporary, it's just a really unusual, uh statistically like

915
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: a really unusual way to eat. But then the way

916
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: they act so just dumbfounded by the fact that there

917
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: are people that aren't engaged in it. It'd be like,

918
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, just if you got interested in it'd be

919
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: like you also didn't get interested in shooting pool, and

920
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: you're just so angry everybody that doesn't. You wanna be like,

921
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: but most people don't shoot pool. Yeah, why when you

922
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: run into a non pool shooter, why are you so

923
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: pissed at him? It's like you're you're talking about something

924
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: that just like it's kind of like brand spanking new. Yeah,

925
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: and people are super selective about their outrage, Like a

926
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: vegan has to drive down the street and almost every

927
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: gas station look at has slim gems. Every McDonald's get

928
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: dead cows in it. Everywhere you go. You're just looking

929
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: at me. But then they'll find some guy with a rack,

930
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: uh you know, in his truck, like some guy with

931
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: a dead deer, and they're just this is a fucking outrage,

932
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: you know. You know why? You know why that is

933
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: because they like when people like like people that don't

934
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: like hunting, but they eat meat. I think that they

935
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: feel that the only way to responsibly eat me is

936
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: they have this vague sense of guilt, like it comes

937
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: with shame. But then there's some dude was like, I, oh, yeah,

938
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean and uh, I mean in this thing right here,

939
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: and this thing makes me real happy. I'm glad, I

940
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: got it. I'm not gonna eat it. I love this animal,

941
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: I love where it lived. Like everything about this whole

942
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: damn thing this is very exciting to me. People are like, wow,

943
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: I would appreciate it if you felt some sense of

944
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: like not knowing nous and a little guilt, a little

945
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: more uneasiness, like don't engage in this singing like it.

946
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: That's why they're pissed because you're you're like you're you're

947
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: sort of going like yep, everything about this picture feels

948
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: right to me, and that is annoying to Yeah, I

949
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: get it, but like people are going to McDonald's and

950
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: they got this guy, and I really should eat McDonald

951
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: so much, and jeez, you know, you know, like how

952
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: are these animals taken care of? Like that's sort of

953
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: like this thing. But then when you get like real

954
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: happy about the meat, it's off putting. There's another thing

955
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: that people do that I've been talking about a lot lately,

956
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: and it's vegans who have pets and they feed their

957
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: pets animals. It's is one of the best parts of

958
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: your bit when you're the cat Joe doing the cat

959
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: who's looking out the window at a bird and remembering old, old,

960
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: buried feelings. But that's I mean, there's something fucked up

961
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: about people that can sort of departmentalize like that. They

962
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: can they can compartmentalize their ideas and just like it.

963
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: So this is just cat food. This is just cat food.

964
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Just pour it in there. It's okay. No, it's a

965
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: fucking chicken. That chicken was in a cage and it

966
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: got shoved into a machine, dozens of chickens and the

967
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: grounded bits of dozens of and they made little stars

968
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: out of it. Like this is not karma free, Like

969
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Yeah, but people like acting like, oh

970
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: my cat speaking like they're proud of it. Like you know,

971
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: you could lock someone in the room to be like,

972
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: you know what's cool about that person? They never want

973
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: to go outside. It's true, it's I mean, look, I

974
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: think there's also there's an issue that a lot of

975
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: people have that aren't involved in hunting, and I think

976
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: when you look at the general population, what is the

977
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: numbers eat meat something on those longes. Man, I never

978
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: looked at up. I don't know. I think it's pretty

979
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: crazy high. It's something in the arrangement, you know. I

980
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: have looked up. I can't remember what I found. What

981
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: percentage are engaged in the depth of that animal? Is

982
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: it even ten? It's probably not even tasha less than that,

983
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: maybe like percentage of people. I guess you could say,

984
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: like what percentage of people work in the uh so

985
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: you'll be saying the meat, the processing and agricultural sectors

986
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: even that, yeah, that or hunting, or like say that

987
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: what percentage of were involved in the actual death of

988
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: the animal that they consume. It's so insignificant, it's so small.

989
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: But if you think about the past, all of human past,

990
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: the connection was almost immediate, Like almost every person had

991
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: some sort of an immediate connection to the fish that

992
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: came out of the river or the cow that they slaughtered,

993
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: or the deer that they hunted. All that stuff was

994
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: like immediate, and so it was natural and everybody understood

995
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: it by by separating people almost unanimously from the meat

996
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: and from the death of the animal, like the connection

997
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: to it is is so vague. It doesn't even make

998
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: sense to people. It doesn't make sense that you shoot

999
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: an animal. I mean, well, they're My wife was having

1000
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: dinner with some friends and one of the guys was

1001
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: English and um, I was on an elk hunt and

1002
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: uh and they were like, well, where's your husband's like, oh,

1003
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: he's hunting. And the guy's cutting into his steak. He's like,

1004
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: that's deplorable. That's deplorable. She goes, you're eating a fucking

1005
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: steak Like where did you? What do you what did

1006
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: this grow off a steak tree? Like what are you

1007
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: talking about? Like he he eats that, you're eating it,

1008
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, okay that you killed it with your

1009
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: credit card, but it's not okay that someone does it

1010
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: with a bow and arrow, Like you're out of your

1011
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: fucking mind, Like this is You've got some weird mental people.

1012
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: If you were honest, they would say, yes, I can't

1013
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: explain why, but that's what I'm saying. Yes, but that's

1014
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: not a tenable argument. It's just not and what they let.

1015
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: People love recreational outrage. They love to be able to

1016
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: be upset about that. I'm gonna steal that words. Yeah,

1017
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: I think so, I'm not sure recreation. You have a

1018
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: treated it to me. I might have heard it from

1019
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: somebody else, but I say it so much I almost

1020
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: on it now. But anybody recreational outrage is what it is.

1021
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: It's like they've decided this instead of going also known

1022
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: as Facebook, Yeah, instead of saying, yeah, this is kind

1023
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: of weird that I eat steak and then I have

1024
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: a problem with someone killing a wild animal, Like, tell

1025
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: me about it. Yeah, here's another weird thing I've had

1026
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: people say. I like that you do with a bow

1027
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: and arrow. I think rifle huntings for pussies, But I

1028
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: like the fact you do it with a bow and arrow.

1029
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: It seems to give the animal more of a chance.

1030
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: And I go, Okay, honestly, it's better to do it

1031
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: with a rifle. I'm like, it's smarter. I'm like, if

1032
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: you do with a rifle, you have a higher higher

1033
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: percentage of kills, your higher percentage of success, more opportunities,

1034
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Like it's going to die a little quicker. Yeah, if

1035
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it ethically, I mean it's gonna It's

1036
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: like a rifle is a really good way to go.

1037
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Like why why does that? Why does someone think it's

1038
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: too easy? Like Oh, it's too easy, Like I could

1039
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: get a hunter thinking that, like I enjoy a more

1040
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: intense challenge, you know, like I'm tired of tapping out

1041
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: blue belts. I only want to spar with black belts now,

1042
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: I want to I need a more intense challenge to

1043
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: excite me. Which is weird for people, like, wait a minute,

1044
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: are you trying to hunt for food? Or you have

1045
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: playing a game like what are you doing here? Which

1046
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: which one of these? Well, it's kind of both. Definitely both. Yeah,

1047
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: it's definitely both. But people don't want to hear that.

1048
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear that. Well, you get off on this?

1049
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Do you get off on this? Yeah? Yes we do.

1050
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: I mean look, when I was in Utah, we did

1051
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: this under arm Or film M that's gonna be released

1052
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: this Friday, and I shot this giant herd bull. It was,

1053
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It was the craziest experience. This bull

1054
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: had like thirty forty cows. He had um heard them

1055
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: all into this one area and then one cow took

1056
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: off and he followed this cow and he's like, get

1057
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: back here, come on, get back here. She's like, fuck you,

1058
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm finding someone else. You've got too many women, and

1059
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: she takes off and he had to follow after her,

1060
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: and so he brings all of his cows to follow

1061
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: after her, and we went and followed after two. And

1062
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: so as we were coming over the hill, there was

1063
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: some other bulls that had been bugling behind us. He

1064
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: thought that we were those other bulls, so he came

1065
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: back around, and that's how I got him. And this

1066
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: whole thing was like he heard him, he hears walking,

1067
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: so he came about and then he went around us

1068
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: try to catch our wind. And but I was at

1069
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: full draw with like eight yards. It was like a

1070
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: bunch of bushes in the trees. But I was at

1071
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: full yard and these he's huge. I'm looking at his antlers.

1072
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: He's standing there. He's like he's like just looking around,

1073
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: and I see him right there, and the thrill of

1074
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: it all, it's so insane. And then to have him

1075
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: go down the hill and then come back around and

1076
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: then he's in a gap at like thirty or two yards,

1077
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: and between these two trees there's like a two foot gap.

1078
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: And I punched that arrow straight through the heart. It

1079
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: was a perfect shot. And he said he walked like

1080
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: fifty yards and just starts wobbling and just drops. If

1081
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: that's not thrilling. If you want me to say that

1082
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't enjoy that, I'm not going to I'm

1083
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I enjoyed it. It was exciting, it

1084
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: was crazy. I love the meat. It's the best tasting meat.

1085
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: I love the idea of getting meat that way. I

1086
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: love the fact that I'm not dealing with factory farming,

1087
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: or hormones or antibiotics or tortured animals. I'm dealing with

1088
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: a wild animal that thought some other wild animal was

1089
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: gonna come and bang his chicks. And he was like,

1090
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: funk that I'm gonna to protect my girls. And he

1091
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: came back around and I got him. And I think

1092
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: if you took any vegan whoever through that same experience

1093
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: and just held them by the hand and we're just

1094
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: there and they didn't have to try to shoot the animal,

1095
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: but it held him by the hand and let him

1096
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: experience all that, they have a very hard time looking

1097
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: in the eye and saying that wasn't thrilling at all. Well,

1098
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: you were an elk guide for a long time, and

1099
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: one of the things that I was saying to these

1100
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: people in Utah, I was saying, have you guys ever

1101
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: thought about taking people out that have no desire to

1102
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: hunt and just dress them up in camel and sneaking

1103
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: them into the rut, Just just get in there just

1104
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: while while it's happening, and watch how crazy it is,

1105
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: because it's a little bit different there than if you

1106
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: watch it on Blue Blue Planet, or it's so much different.

1107
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: It's so much different. Mean, we were we were seven.

1108
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: We we crawled, I mean by crawled like tiptoe, like

1109
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: real slow through the woods for about thirty five minutes

1110
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: till we got to this, uh these trees that were

1111
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: the edge of this creek where these uh, these elk

1112
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: were all funneling through, and we were super close, like

1113
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: inside of twenty yards of some of these some of

1114
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: these um cows, and you know, some of them would

1115
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: like look at us and stare at us, and we're

1116
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: totally frozen and we're not moving, and they went back

1117
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: to their ship and start doing things and doing elk things.

1118
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: But we're in the heat of this, and I was like,

1119
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: this is so exciting, like even if we don't even

1120
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: shoot an elk, like you're surrounded by like twenty elk

1121
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: in their world and they don't even know you're there.

1122
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: You get to see them be elk. Like this would

1123
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: be a exciting thing just to take people and just

1124
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: tell them how to like walk real slow and we're

1125
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna get you in the middle of this crazy activity.

1126
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: What we saw them running. We saw this one bull

1127
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: elk like literally tackle this cow. He got on top

1128
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: of her and he hits her one time, breeds here

1129
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: and like sins are flying, like sins are flying forward

1130
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: on her hind legs, and we're like, this is right here,

1131
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: you're right here watching that. But I think a lot

1132
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: of people would come out of that experience and they

1133
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, and now I want to run an

1134
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: arrow through one. I agree with you, Yeah, for sure.

1135
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would have a real

1136
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: hard time watching that. Animals stumble, watching the blood pull

1137
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: up both sides of its body through its vitals, and

1138
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: watching them drop over. To me, I was like, look,

1139
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: he's not gonna live forever. He's gonna get eaten by

1140
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: mountain lions or wolves or whatever else, bears, whatever else

1141
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: comes along and catches him when he's weak. He's probably

1142
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: eight and a half nine years old. If he's super lucky,

1143
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: he's got two years, he's in the autumn of his life.

1144
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: If he's super lucky, he's got left. But that, you know,

1145
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go and say that there's like an old

1146
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: man walking on the side of the road that oh, yeah,

1147
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you run him over. I mean,

1148
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: he's the old guy. You know. That's true. Now, that's true.

1149
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: It's but the the old guy on the side of

1150
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: the road is not gonna get attacked by a mountain

1151
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: lion anytime soon. Hopefully. This animal, for sure is I mean,

1152
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: that's their demise. Their demise is freeze to death, starvation, predatory,

1153
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 1: you know, just they have three options. It's not it's yeah,

1154
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: arrows are way better than all those other options. It's

1155
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: hard to you know. I spent a lot of time

1156
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: trying to get into the it's a mental trap, but

1157
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: you try to get into the animal's mind. I think

1158
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: that's where where it winds to me be tricky with

1159
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: talking to people who liked bow hunt. I was having

1160
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: this conversation with the April Bokey. We're talking about bow

1161
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: hunt and she's talking about just like she's more ethical

1162
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: to bow hunt and um, and I'm like, what just

1163
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: winds like, like you brought up earlier, it's really tricky

1164
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: because from whose perspective the animal dosn't care? Yeah at all.

1165
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: I had a like a animal rights I interviewed in

1166
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: animal rights activist and have him explaining he's like, the

1167
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: animal doesn't care. The animal don't care that you have

1168
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: these like high minded ideals about wildlife conservation and preservation

1169
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: and the they you respect it and they're going to

1170
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: utilize at all. It's dead. The same way that someone's

1171
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna come and and and shoot you, you're probably not

1172
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: really gonna like weigh out what were the motivations of

1173
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: the person that shot you? You're like, oh, with all

1174
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: that considered, I'm glad I was murdered. That's his that's

1175
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: his way of looking at it. That's a way of

1176
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: looking at it too. But did you say about species

1177
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: is m I talking about I know about that. I'm

1178
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: a species is. There's a fucking thing that a meme

1179
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: that someone made where it's it's got like Hitler is

1180
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: like a racist and all that, and then it comes

1181
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: to me and I've got a mooselig it's a species ist.

1182
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: It's a good concept. Yeah, have you had any uh

1183
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: has anything. Have you learned things or had thoughts or

1184
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: seen things and hunting that have gone and and made

1185
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: their way into your stand up, like what your vegan

1186
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: been exist if you hadn't started dabbling in hunting. You know,

1187
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: I told you before we went on that trip that

1188
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: I was having some real concerns about factory farming. I'd

1189
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: watched way too many of those PETA videos. I'd seen

1190
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of them, and I was like, what am

1191
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 1: I doing? Like? How am I eating this food that's

1192
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: being raised like this? Because I think the a gag

1193
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: laws that we have, the agriculture gap where people don't

1194
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: know there's there's laws that prevent people from filming inside

1195
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: of these horrific factory farm warehouses where they have these

1196
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: pigs and cows and chickens just stuffed into these really

1197
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: confined areas. I mean, I'll goal from to do it,

1198
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: even if the manager of the slaughter facility wanted to

1199
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: let them. No. No, I think undercover filming. I think

1200
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: that's what it mostly involves activists releasing undercover so that

1201
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to show people because it could harm

1202
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: the business, you know, which is just crazy. It's like

1203
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: it's it harms the business because most people are not

1204
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: aware of how horrific these conditions are. And uh, I'd

1205
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: gotten down too many rabbit holes and I'd watched too

1206
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: many of those videos, and I was like, this is

1207
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: just a crazy thing that people have accepted because they're

1208
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: completely insulated from it. You just go to Morton's and

1209
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: you order the rib i and it comes out and

1210
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that looks good and you start digging in.

1211
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: You don't think about what happened to that animal. Up

1212
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: until that point. Well, I had started thinking about it.

1213
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: So I had made this sort of decision before I

1214
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: went with you that I was either going to be

1215
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: a vegan or a vegetarian, or I was going to

1216
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: become a hunter. I was like, well, I gotta figure

1217
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: out one of these things, because this is just I

1218
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: can't just keep ignoring the fact that I know how

1219
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: these animals live. And then when, um, I told you,

1220
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: when as soon as that that deer dropped, I was like, Okay,

1221
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. I was like, this is

1222
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: just too exciting, this is amazing. And then when we're

1223
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: eating it, we're eating it over the fire. To this day,

1224
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: that's one of my happiest memories, Like you and me

1225
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: and Callan and Callahan were just cutting up that meat

1226
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: and Doughty were eating over the fire. I'm like, this

1227
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: is one of my best memories, guilt free eating. It

1228
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: was a hundred percent guilt free. I mean I didn't.

1229
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: It was definitely a sense of loss. I mean, you

1230
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: guys captured that really good. You got my face, like

1231
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: when I shot the deer and I was like, whoa,

1232
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: here we go. That's one of my favorite meteor moments

1233
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: of zero reaction there. It's beautiful. Yeah, it was intense

1234
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: when when I originally talked to you years ago now

1235
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: about going on a hunting trip and we're like kicking

1236
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: around various ideas you were reluctant to You're reluctant to

1237
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: go hunt bears, but then later did a bear hunt?

1238
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: What what went on in your mind aroundmost ideas? Like

1239
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: what do you think? It was? Um, well, I didn't

1240
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: think that you eat you ate bears, and then I

1241
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: realized you do. And then so the idea of any

1242
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: eating a bear was kind of alien to me. It's

1243
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: like I can't get that good, but dear good, I

1244
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: like venecent. So you just you could just picture it

1245
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah. And also bears are just too much

1246
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: like dogs, like they're too canine. It's like there's too

1247
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: much about them. And uh, I have gone on bear hunts,

1248
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: but the reality is I do not enjoy it the

1249
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: same way I enjoy elk hunting or deer hunting. Because

1250
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 1: you like elk me, Yeah, because I like elk meat,

1251
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: and I like the idea that they are there. You know,

1252
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: there's predators and then there's prey, and although bears are omnivorous,

1253
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: they're they're essentially predators, whereas the deer their prey. I mean,

1254
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: and you can you can even eat them raw, like

1255
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: you've got trichinosis, So that that trichinosis thing freaks me out.

1256
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: Like all the weird pathogens and parasites and ship that

1257
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: these bears can get that freaks me out too. But

1258
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: it's just I don't feel the same way about They

1259
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: react differently when you hit them. Like when they get hit,

1260
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: they literally try to attack the area that that got

1261
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: like an arrow goes from They go back and they

1262
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: try to like go back and get it, and they

1263
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: they moaned. They fight death in a different way. It's

1264
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: like everything about them is different, and there's just um,

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: they're too close to like what we are. You know,

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01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: I'll eat them. I mean, don't get me wrong. Like

1267
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: if you have some bear sausage, I'll definitely eat it,

1268
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: and if you know, we're out on a bear hunt.

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01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: But the reaction that people have too bears too is

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: another thing that keeps you. Like if you put up

1271
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: a picture of a dead bear, people blow their fucking gaskets.

1272
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: They go crazy. People are a real hard time with

1273
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: dead bears. But but would that would you allow that

1274
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: to influence your like are you like, oh yea, I

1275
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: would put this picture up on social media, but I'm

1276
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: not gonna exists too upsetting to people. I kind of

1277
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: stopped putting dead animals on social media because it's just

1278
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: too stola. Yeah, too confusing for people. I'll put up

1279
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: pictures of me hunting. I'll put up meat, I'll put

1280
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: up but you know, and like some hunters will give

1281
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: me a hard time, like our friends put up don't

1282
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you put up the dead animal? Like yeah, Like I

1283
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: think it's too confusing. You know, people just look at

1284
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: it like, oh, trophy, you're a trophy hunter. You're killing

1285
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: this animal for that. But if you just have the meat. Like,

1286
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: nobody gets mad. Very few people get mad at me

1287
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: when I cook like some elk, and I'll put a

1288
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: picture of it on Instagram, like I'll have, you know,

1289
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: one out of a four or five hundred comments and

1290
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: be shitty. But those are like those proselytizing vegans with

1291
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: like vegan Warrior Princess in their screen name, and they're

1292
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: just gonna attack anything, and that's just who they are,

1293
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: you know. But that's that that's a that's a There's

1294
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: a notion out there about trophy hunting that I just like,

1295
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: absolutely reject. Is this idea that if if I'm going

1296
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: out and I'm hunting and I kill a buck and

1297
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: I eat the buck and I like the buck a lot,

1298
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: and I'm real happy about it, and I keep its antlers,

1299
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: that somehow the idea that it would have been more

1300
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: pure had I discarded a portion of it the antlers. Yeah,

1301
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: it's like, well, no, I'm sorry. I like this whole thing.

1302
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to being able to eat it. I also

1303
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: like to have these antlers around too, because I think

1304
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: they're cool looking and I remember it by it and

1305
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: I just like them, and this whole thing is important

1306
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: to me, people like the somehow this like this symbolic

1307
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: gesture that you'd be like, my motivations are so pure,

1308
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: I will discard these antlers less than anyone think that

1309
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: I cared about antlers had the time to explain what

1310
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: you just did every time, like Joe saying, you just

1311
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: like you're just taking it out, you know, so it

1312
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: doesn't blow up into something I think you're doing. It

1313
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: does help the greater good. I think just to be

1314
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: keeping doing the meat photos and stuff like that, because

1315
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: you're probably bringing more. You're moving that needle to you know,

1316
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: a pro hunting place as opposed to that one gripping

1317
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: green is moving at the other direction. But I don't think.

1318
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't think of every action I take as being

1319
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: engaged in some rhetorical battle. M h no. But I

1320
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: think for for Joe, it's just like a waste of time,

1321
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: right Eventually you're just like, it's just create conflict. A

1322
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: friend of ours once pass along an image, you know,

1323
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: never mind talking about confusing. I'm not gonna tell about

1324
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: this image, but I'm gonna talk about this mo who

1325
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I love was you're talking about a

1326
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: bear's response, Like just bears being different Moa. I believe

1327
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: he's in Colombia with some like indigenous hunters and they

1328
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: shot a monkey with a blow dart. I could be

1329
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: messing this up. I don't think I am. And he

1330
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: described the monkey reaching around to grab at the dart.

1331
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: I think this is motelling. Yeah, I remember you told

1332
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: me I want to take the name out left because

1333
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: if I'm messing the story up. But that really struck him. Yeah,

1334
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: of the thing that like, there is this sort of difference,

1335
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: and I oftentimes try to reject it. The idea that

1336
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: that we should that if you have a sustainable population

1337
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: of black bears, and you have a team of wildlife

1338
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: professionals or biologists who are able to look and and

1339
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: have a management objective for the bears and realize that

1340
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: there's a harvestable surplus of animals, meaning you could have

1341
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: a bear of an ex number of bears, and that

1342
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: every year you could harvest some percentage or kill some

1343
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: percentage of those bears and the next year have the

1344
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: same number of bears again, because the landscape has a

1345
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: carrying capacity that it's going to maintain, and you can

1346
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: remove some animals and that number is probably gonna stay.

1347
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: The same, because if you were not to remove those numbers,

1348
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: you would see a similar effect from starvation territoriality, you know,

1349
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: bears killing other bears to defend territory, and so there was,

1350
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, the term like a harvest bule surplus. So

1351
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you agree with these concepts, it shouldn't

1352
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: matter if we're talking about bears or deer, but it's

1353
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: in people's heads. We are one time with one of

1354
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: the guys we work with, and we're looking at a

1355
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: wolverine scavenge and a moose carcass, and we didn't go

1356
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: after it. But someone observed that in this unit we're

1357
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: and you're allowed a wolverine, and because of the way

1358
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: the tag system works, um that we one of us

1359
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: could have legally gone after the wolverine. And he's like, well,

1360
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: I hope you don't go. I hope you guys aren't

1361
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: thinking you're gonna go get that wolverine. It's like, well,

1362
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: we're not, but why, Like what is it about that?

1363
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: Because we're out here hunting, right and we're hunting under

1364
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: guidelines that you're comfortable with, as laid out by the

1365
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: state Wildlife Agency, And they say that it's all right

1366
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: as well, it's just because they travel so far. And

1367
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, the we just we're hunting caribou

1368
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: right now, and this is the largest this is the

1369
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: longest migrating land mammal we have. So it's not distance traveled.

1370
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: These seems will travel hundreds of miles. He's like, well,

1371
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: they lived to be old. Well there's you know, we

1372
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: got radio collared elk and other things that they're in

1373
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: their early twenties and you're comfortable hunting those. Well, it's

1374
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't know, just something's different about it. Well, also,

1375
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: isn't it that you're not gonna eat it? Would you

1376
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: eat the wolverine? Well, I got a friend who I

1377
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: gotta Yeah, you know, if I Here's the thing That's

1378
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: what always goes through my head because I'm not dying

1379
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: to go. I'm not like I'm not dying to go

1380
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: get a wolverine. I'm not I'm not like really interested

1381
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: in eating the wolverine. I would. Now my friend back um,

1382
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: a buddy of his, was talking about sitting there, coming

1383
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: into Buck's house one time and he's boiling a wolverine

1384
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: skull because he wants to keep the skull and his

1385
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: friends saying, as I'm sitting there watching him cleaning the

1386
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: skull with a jackknife, he's just picking the skull meat

1387
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: and eating it. So here's the guy who likes Wolverene flesh.

1388
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: Just fine, What are you telling me that there was

1389
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: some famous trapper that really enjoyed wolf. Wolf was like

1390
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: his favorite meat. That was the Arctic explorer Bill Jalmer Stephenson,

1391
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: who ate who lived just the strict wild game diet

1392
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: out of necessity while he was traveling in the Canadian

1393
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 1: High Arctic. And uh, he had actually made first contact

1394
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: with a lot of uh Inuit hunters in the early

1395
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: even in the early nine hundreds. He was making that

1396
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: they were aware of whites but hadn't met whites. But um, yeah,

1397
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: he he was just like that was his meat. Wolf

1398
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: he had eaten. You know, he's eating muskox, doll, sheep, caribou.

1399
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: He preferred both, loved it, talked about all the time.

1400
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: It was his favorite. Me. But take this, he one

1401
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: time there was a dead whale on the beach that

1402
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: he writes about and it was like this, uh, like

1403
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: this dried out like a desiccated whale carcass on the

1404
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: beach and they were really hard up for food, and

1405
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: so they would and cut the tongue out of this whale.

1406
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: And he thought about how they had to boil it,

1407
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: change the water. Boil it changed the water, boil it

1408
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: changed the water just to get the salt out. It

1409
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: was so impregnanted with salt, and eventually eat it. And

1410
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 1: later he hears the encounters menu hunters and and they explained,

1411
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: I think that I think of a lanter seven years yea,

1412
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: so he had so he had a strong stomach seven years.

1413
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: Another really interesting thing to Stephenson. You should read stephen

1414
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: You should read Stephens in My Life with the Eskimo,

1415
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: because the thing that frustrates Stephenson is that when he

1416
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: he would go, I know, I told you about this too.

1417
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: Stephenson would go and try to impress the Inuit with technology,

1418
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 1: but because they had this very elaborate mystical belief system,

1419
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: things weren't impressive to him. Like he would say, you know,

1420
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: he would bring up, uh, you know when our where

1421
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: where I come from, we can open a person up

1422
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: and do a surgery and they're like, oh, yeah, we

1423
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: know a guy comploy your whole spine and skull out

1424
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: while you're sleeping and put a new one back in,

1425
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: and he'd say, oh, check this gun out, I can

1426
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: shoot something away, Like, oh, yeah, we know a guy

1427
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: who can take his bow and shoot it and it'll

1428
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: the air, will fly over the mountains and kill something

1429
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: on the other side of the mountains. And he'd always

1430
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: be getting bent out of shape about his inability to

1431
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: impress them because they had and everyone's telling to like

1432
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 1: he's talking about his uh a telescope that he can

1433
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: observe the craters on the moon, and like, we know

1434
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: a guy to up there. That's awesome. But one thing

1435
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: he was able to get him on board with a

1436
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: small stove he had where I think it was a stove,

1437
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, that that's something I do dig

1438
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: that stove. Man, that's awesome you Oh yeah, man, Well

1439
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: if you went wolf funny, would you be into eating it?

1440
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: Would you definitely take the meat? You know? Oh there's

1441
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: no way. Yeah. Just because of me and my personal

1442
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: like just how I like how I approached stuff and

1443
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: sort of the moral system that I have set up.

1444
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: This isn't a comment about what I think all the

1445
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: people should do. It is just like me personally, like

1446
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: my personal view of what hunting is to me and

1447
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: does for me. Um, yeah, I would, I would be

1448
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: actually pretty curious about it. But here's the thing that

1449
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: happens to me, is there where I gos buying wolf tanks.

1450
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: But then I just don't have the like when I

1451
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: see him, I don't have uh must yeah, I don't like.

1452
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't have my brother and my brother describes as

1453
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: lustb One time we were hunting, like I got a

1454
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: doll sheet. Then a few days later my friend got

1455
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: a black bear and we were camped up on a

1456
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: gravel bar, and you know, here comes the wolf down

1457
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: the other side of the stream from a river from us.

1458
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: Beauty too, Yeah, just like loping along white dusky light.

1459
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of magical and just not

1460
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: and I just felt like, yeah, I know, we just

1461
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: got like a sheet, we got a bear, like you know,

1462
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: not enough, and um yeah, it's like it doesn't go

1463
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: seeing one. I just don't. I don't feel it and

1464
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: it's not it's not you know, I'll probably still continue

1465
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: to go buy wolf to I don't. I don't like

1466
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: buying tags. I don't look at me beings a waste

1467
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: some money it goes to fund you know wild life

1468
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: agencies and you get throwing down the drain, but um, yeah,

1469
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: I get them, and then I don't. I don't walk

1470
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: around being like hoping to every corner that come around

1471
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: it would be a wolf stand there in range. Yeah,

1472
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 1: I just want to see them in the wild. I

1473
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: saw I think I saw one in Alberta. I saw

1474
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: something very doglike run across the road late at night,

1475
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: like it was like at dusk or waiting to get

1476
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: picked up, and it ran across this dirt road. It's like,

1477
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: I think that's a wolf. And they got a lot

1478
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: of wolves up there, But I've never seen one like

1479
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: real close where you could definitely get a get a

1480
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: look at it. But my instinct would definitely not be

1481
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: to shoot it. Yeah, I don't have it. But what's

1482
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 1: funny with me is, at the same time, UM, A

1483
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: very you know, strong advocate of the idea that while

1484
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: like you know that healthy, sustainable wildlife resources should be

1485
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: managed for you know, it should be managed for people

1486
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: to do like extraction of renewable resources. So I always

1487
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: support and continue to push for states that have stable

1488
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: populations of wolves to be able to manage them as

1489
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: the states seas fit, including if they have wolf seasons.

1490
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 1: But this same way that you know, some things I

1491
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: hunt for all the time and keep wanting to do it,

1492
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: there's other things I'm just like just want to be

1493
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: not that interested in. You know. I was just having

1494
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: this conversation with Rammy the other day where, um, you know,

1495
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: after a long time, but no emperor goose seasons and

1496
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: in in western Alaska they're gonna have like an emperor

1497
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: goose hunt. And we were kicking this around by how

1498
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: you can apply for a tag for an emperor goose

1499
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: and uh, usually I'm like a generalist and I want

1500
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: to go hunt whatever. But in time, bo I was

1501
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: just like, I just don't feel like I'm just not

1502
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: fired up, Like I haven't had enough time to begin

1503
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: to think of it as a Yeah, I just about

1504
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: that about Africa as well, right, Yeah, Like, yeah, I

1505
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: think that when I look at a lot things that's there,

1506
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 1: there's certain things that look at I'm like, that's a

1507
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: game animal to me, like it's appealing to me. It's

1508
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: appealing to me as a thing to hunt and and

1509
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: to other people is different. I think, you know, it's

1510
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: hugely depending on where you grew up. Like if you

1511
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: see a white tailed deer. Boom, that food, that's a

1512
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: white tailed deer. If you see a Neil guy like,

1513
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: oh look at that. Yeah, what's that again, Neil guy. Huh,

1514
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: so that's what one of those looks like. Yeah, so

1515
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: it's something that develops over time. I'm curious about the wolves.

1516
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like what might happen is the

1517
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: same thing that happened with the mountain lion. If he tried.

1518
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: Mountain lion is delicious, dude. I look at a mountain lion,

1519
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: I look at a mountainline, and I'm like, that's a

1520
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: game animal. Yeah, but a year ago, before we went

1521
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: on that hunt, and before you shot that one, before

1522
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: I ended up with whatever thirty pounds in my freezer,

1523
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: I kind of had hit them in the wolves in

1524
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: the same category. That's kind of you can tell if

1525
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: it was like an eating thing or not. And then

1526
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I started eating mountain lion, Like,

1527
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: you need to get another mountain lion, December. I'm telling you,

1528
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: what's it comparable to pork? Pork A really good pork.

1529
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: The fat is good on it. It's got a white fat,

1530
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: but not all talking tattle, not waxy fat like ungults,

1531
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, not waxy fat like members of the deer

1532
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: not like members of deer family. It's got a fat

1533
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: on it that looks like like a pork fat. And

1534
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: that ship is good Man that played the Tohone Ranch

1535
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: place where you took me hunting wild pigs. They have

1536
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: trail camera that's set up over a pond and they

1537
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: got sixteen different mountain lions on that trail camera. Yeah,

1538
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: different ones. They're like California is overrun. It's overrun because

1539
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: they won't manage them. Well no, but I heard they're

1540
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: killing just as many now as they ever did killing them. Well,

1541
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: they're killing them when they encroach on civilization. Like they're

1542
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: not killing them out in like Tahone Ranch, but they're

1543
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: killing them like in San Francisco. They they've been doing

1544
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: this thing where they did the study on the diet

1545
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: of these mountain lions that they wind up killing because

1546
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: they wind up, you know, getting too close to people.

1547
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: It's all pets. It's all dogs and cats. They're eating

1548
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: people's dogs and cats. Like that's like fifty of their diet.

1549
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: It thought would be mostly deer. But but it's funny

1550
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: because the public is okay, like like Oh yeah, I'm

1551
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: okay with killing the mountaine as long as the person

1552
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: hunt him isn't having a good time. If they're being

1553
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: paid by the government to do it, that's cool. But

1554
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: if they're paying, if they're paying money, yeah, to go

1555
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 1: out and do it, and they enjoy it, and they

1556
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,480
Speaker 1: view the animal with like a certain level of admiration

1557
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: and respect and want to be like putting its skin

1558
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: in their house to look at for the rest of

1559
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: the life. That's not okay with me. I want the

1560
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: guy who just punching a nine to five clock and

1561
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: doing it. That's their perspective on it. Yeah, they don't

1562
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: want it to be a pleasurable thing. They wanted to

1563
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: be a necessity, a management issue. But they don't understand

1564
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: like they're the resources. The money goes the opposite way. Now,

1565
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: you have to pay someone to do something that you

1566
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: would get money from, you know, you would get someone

1567
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: to pay you so that they could go out and

1568
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: do it. Instead you have to pay someone to go

1569
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: out and do it. Do you hear about that mountain lion,

1570
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: the Coward mountain lion, and the Santa Monica mountains that

1571
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: funked up this alpaca farm. Yeah, I wrote about this,

1572
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: and this woman got a depredation permit and she got

1573
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: so many death threats. This this mountain and killed eleven

1574
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 1: alpacas and a goat just went on a rampage there

1575
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: was in New York was sorry interrupted, and so she

1576
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,480
Speaker 1: got a depredation permit. This is her livelihood. She raises alpacas,

1577
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: and this thing just slaughtered them. And even though this

1578
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 1: mountain lion is obviously just recreationally killing animals, the idea

1579
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: killing that mountain lion was so it angered people that

1580
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: a person would do that. So they started sending her

1581
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: death threats and she panicked and she pulled out of it,

1582
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm not doing anything. So she's sort

1583
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,839
Speaker 1: of left in this terrible situation where, you know, twelve

1584
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: of her animals were murdered by this big collared mountain line.

1585
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean he really murdered. It's not like he's etium.

1586
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: You know. It's one thing that he killed an alpaca

1587
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: and he ate it. Well, some mountain lions, do you

1588
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be around him. Maybe she'd get some

1589
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: dogs and bark or something, but no, this one just

1590
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: got in and just went on a rampage. She's just

1591
01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: like surplus killing. People like to Really it's funny that

1592
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: people like to really argue whether that's the reality or

1593
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: not a mountain lion doing that. People like to debate.

1594
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: It's like people who talk about surplus killing tend to

1595
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: be okay with hunting wolves and mountain lions, and people

1596
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: who are very uncomfortable by the subject of surplus killing

1597
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: tend to be not okay with it, Like they like,

1598
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to acknowledge that that's true because it

1599
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: messes up the message I'm trying to send about how

1600
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: these animals behave basically the same thing that you were

1601
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: talking about with like Hillary Clinton with the Russians, Like

1602
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: if you were on that team, you would say, well, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1603
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: no no, you would you would find somewhere to way

1604
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: to justify it. Yeah, it's it's a tribal idea, and

1605
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: the tribal ideas there's hunters, these terrible, mean people like

1606
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: Elmer Fudd, and then there's us good people who don't

1607
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: believe in that want to protect wildlife at any cost.

1608
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: I've run in the same thing by writing about um

1609
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: archaeological work bison kill sites that sometimes you would have

1610
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: where that you talk about like articulated and disarticulated carcasses

1611
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: at at kill sites where you'd have the remains of

1612
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: hundreds of animals, hundreds of buffalo or bison and a

1613
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: dozen have been processed and the restaurant is there. It

1614
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: makes people uncomfortable because there's this tidy notion of that

1615
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: prior to European contact, like like all killing was very

1616
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: purposeful and every part of the animal got used, which

1617
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: is like a pretty which is a helpful concept to

1618
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: understand hunting practices, you know, among Native Americans. But there

1619
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: are exceptions to the rule and people don't really like

1620
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: that kind of like extra noise to be like, oh,

1621
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: there's a kill site where eight hundred of them went

1622
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: off a cliff and it seems that maybe twenty or

1623
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: so we're butchered, and the restaurant just left a rock,

1624
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: probably because it was hot out. How could you ever

1625
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: get to them all? It was like a thing that happened,

1626
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: and it does and it winds up. It's just like

1627
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: people don't like that kind of stuff. Like you know what,

1628
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: sometimes the mountain lion would just kill a ton of

1629
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: ship kind of because it just enjoys the excitement of it.

1630
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: We'll never know what's really in his head. But he's

1631
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: expending energy, right, He's he's putting himself to risk, which

1632
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: they understand. So there's something he's getting out of this

1633
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: or else. Why would it be that he would just

1634
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: go out and like, I'm gonna expel a ton of

1635
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: energy and really be at risk in a place I

1636
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: know I shouldn't be, or a place that's like more

1637
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: scary than when I'm laying up in a tree in

1638
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: the middle of a thicket. I'm gonna do all that

1639
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 1: and kill a bunch of stuff. He's gotta be getting something.

1640
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: There's something that's coming out of that. Yeah, we were

1641
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: talking about this the other day. Those wild animal parks.

1642
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: You ever see that wild animal park footage from Beijing

1643
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: where this woman got in an argument with her boyfriends,

1644
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: gets out of the car tiger Jackson at It's crazy

1645
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: footage because she got she she shut the past your

1646
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: side door, and she storms over to the boyfriend's you

1647
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: know side, and she's yelling at him, and then out

1648
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: of nowhere, this tiger just goes just grabs her and

1649
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: and like that's what it wants to do. That's what

1650
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: it does. Like, you can't just feed it. Killed her,

1651
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: killed her, didn't kill her, killed the person who tried

1652
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: to rescue her. Mom got out of the car and

1653
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: chased after the lion and the tiger, and the tiger

1654
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: killed her. Yeah, mauled her, killed her mom. That's what

1655
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: they want to do. And you can't just feed them.

1656
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: You just can't just keep feeding them. That's not good enough.

1657
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: Like they're designed to kill things their nature's cleanup system.

1658
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: Anything with a limp gets taken out, everything slower gets

1659
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: taken out. And then all of a sudden they're in

1660
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: this weird enclosure where people are staring at them through

1661
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: glass and they never get to kill anything. And like

1662
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: all these reward systems that are primal that are just

1663
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: a part of their DNA since the beginning of time,

1664
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: they don't get exercised. It's kind of torture in a

1665
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, I want to point out too,

1666
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't when I talk about like surplus killing among predators,

1667
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't anybody hold this against them. I'm not pointing

1668
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: out like, oh, and they you know, and they deserved

1669
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: to have bad things happen to them. It's just, you know,

1670
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: it's just in understanding wildlife which I'm interested in. It's

1671
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: just a factor. But I'm not saying there's any I'm

1672
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:25,839
Speaker 1: not proposing there's any like sting there. I I believe

1673
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,919
Speaker 1: that I believe we should continue to try to recover

1674
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: and maintain all our wild life anywhere that it's anywhere

1675
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: that it's plausible to do so. So I know that

1676
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: there there are people within the hunting world who would

1677
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: like to see who don't really welcome the return of

1678
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: certain predators on the landscapes. But I think that in

1679
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: generally speaking, in places where, uh where we can recover

1680
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: large carnivores and have let's say minimal risk or a

1681
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: limited risk of them having human conflict, I think we

1682
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: should do it. I'm not like a guy who wants

1683
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: to go wipe them off the face of the earth

1684
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: out of some notion that you're gonna have tons of

1685
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: more Elkander around that probably comes about like the hunt

1686
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: in Alaska, and Alaska you got you know, wolves and

1687
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: grizzlies across I don't own nineties seven orent of their

1688
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: historic range. And it's also a great place to go

1689
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: hunting people and people in lord Fordator super anti predator,

1690
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: and there are something about how they want to hunt Alaska.

1691
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: I always like, oh, you wouldn't like it. Bro's munch

1692
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: predators up. There must not be any good right, well,

1693
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,879
Speaker 1: I like I like the idea of wild, right the wild,

1694
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: and the wild is balanced. You're gonna have everything. You're

1695
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna have the wolves, you're gonna have the predators, you're

1696
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna have the prey. It's gonna be the whole wild experience.

1697
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: Everything else is just some sort of a weird artificial environment.

1698
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: Like you've removed all the predators and now you get

1699
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: to be the predator own and you get to drive

1700
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: in in your truck and hop out and just pick

1701
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,799
Speaker 1: what you like and just shoot it. It's not really wild,

1702
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: you know. I love that feeling and looking over my shoulder, man,

1703
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: there a few places left though you Okay, it's tough

1704
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: to really get wild. I don't know, man, do you

1705
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 1: still feel that way after your experience and a fog mac? Oh, buddy,

1706
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: my that feelings have changed. That podcast was looking shoulder.

1707
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: That podcast was amazing. I remember hissed to you for

1708
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: breaking up into two pieces that well, you know, I

1709
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: should come cut a lot of our fans I should

1710
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: come clean on that, And I told if everyone that's

1711
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: asked about it in private conversation, I've told him I happened.

1712
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: We're a little light on content, so we we wouldn't

1713
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: even have broken it up. It just was convenient that

1714
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 1: we were that we had we need to fill a spot. Yeah,

1715
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I'll take the blame as a producer. And I was like, Wow,

1716
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: we just talked about that so long. You could actually

1717
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: make that too, and then we wouldn't be needing to

1718
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: worry about how we're we're low on release dates. People

1719
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: were pissed, why do you have a um? Do you

1720
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: you have to release a certain amount of them? It's

1721
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: just in our heads. You gotta let that go. Yeah, probably,

1722
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm like, I like, I'm a rigid guy.

1723
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh like that advice? I like that. Yeah, you gotta

1724
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: let that go. Yeah. Yeah. This is the beautiful thing

1725
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: about being your own content provider, right, your own You

1726
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want. That's the only thing that

1727
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: makes me happy I don't have I mean, it's not

1728
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: the only thing, but one of the primary things about

1729
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: this job that I love so much is I don't

1730
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: have a boss. Nobody can tell me what to do

1731
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: is no like do whatever I want. You know, if

1732
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: I if I can call the people up and go tomorrow,

1733
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: they'll be There's gonna be two podcasts next week. But

1734
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: we have all these ads tough ship by click. This

1735
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing. I'm doing two next week, I'll

1736
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: do five. You know, I'm taking a week off after that.

1737
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to have a schedule. I don't think

1738
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: that's good for you when it comes to some things.

1739
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question. Don't that ship?

1740
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: It changed me, changed my soul? But now yeah, definitely

1741
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 1: were a little more skittish, and I don't know, maybe

1742
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 1: that will go away. It's as you know, time will

1743
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 1: just sort of, you know, smooth it out. But I

1744
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: tell you that I told you we saw grizzly when

1745
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: I went to home with your brother and I have

1746
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: a daughter with me. I haven't seen grizzly on this

1747
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: range in forty years, maybe longer. We roll in there,

1748
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: come to find out it's sound and three cups and

1749
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: taking a deer away from some hunters the night before.

1750
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: But it just really didn't like click. That was like

1751
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: right in that general zone. Well, the next morning we

1752
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: wake up and at gray light. We're crossing the big

1753
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: meadow and I'm glassing to the north end of it,

1754
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: and I'm looking. I'm like anything elk any deer becose

1755
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: they're big bears, and they get up on their rear legs,

1756
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, looking in our direction. They're probably three yards away.

1757
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, certainly having my daughter there played a

1758
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: big part. If you, like, I'm getting the hell out

1759
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: and you didn't have your daughter with you, If your

1760
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: daughter wasn't with you, and you would bay, I would

1761
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: never talk to you again. That's not true. Yes, it is.

1762
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: I would never ever talk to you again. Were you

1763
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: wearing you have a rifle on you? Yeah. When I

1764
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: heard that story, I was like, oh, it's because and

1765
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: I even said I would have done the same thing,

1766
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: because I can't imagine ever here in the end of

1767
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: it from my wife. Yeah, but it's not it's not

1768
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: just like on a on a you know, case by

1769
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: case basis of now, how do I fee want to

1770
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: run into bears? But just sort of this this bigger

1771
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: idea of you know, large predators on the landscape, us

1772
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: living with them. Because now as the g y e

1773
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: bears population grows, you know, my house, it's only a

1774
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: matter of time until one walks through my yard. I mean,

1775
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: it could happened today. It wouldn't be at all unusual.

1776
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Montana is exploding with him, right, But but that's I'm

1777
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: just saying that. It's sort of like I'm just now

1778
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: having different feelings about how earlier I used to be like, yeah,

1779
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: great grizz bears everywhere, now like your anti grizz No. No,

1780
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, like my you know, something's changed

1781
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: inside of me. I'm thinking about it more, worried about it,

1782
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: and I just haven't come to a conclusion yet. But

1783
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: it's this is a powerful experience. Well, I like what

1784
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: you said about it, that you were saying you had

1785
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: all these ideas of what it would be like, and

1786
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: you had experienced false charges before, you'd experienced all that stuff.

1787
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: You had an idea what an attack would be like,

1788
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: and it was so so beyond what you could have

1789
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: possibly imagined. Yeah, I feel like I I scratched a

1790
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: nitche because I had always wanted to get a little

1791
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: bit mauled up and talked about getting claud marks across

1792
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 1: your chest like a long scar like a tattoo. Yeah,

1793
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh, that's what that's like. I don't

1794
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: want nothing to do this ship. But you know, one

1795
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: time I was sitting there trying to call a turkey

1796
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: and and and no joke, heard an exhale in my ear.

1797
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, just I'm gonna do it just like this,

1798
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 1: and with my head around and it's a bear feet

1799
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: like I had called in the bear who was sneaking

1800
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: in behind me, Jesus, not a grizzy black bear that

1801
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: gave me the shakes for a long time. What did

1802
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: it do? Just it was just exhaled in my ear?

1803
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: What did you do? When I flipped around like I

1804
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: was just just you know, scared and stumbled backward. But

1805
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't half as scared as he was once he

1806
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: realized what I was. I think he makes his I

1807
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 1: think at that time of year he makes his business

1808
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: walking around listen for hens to go off, and it

1809
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: goes eat their eggs or east the chicks and probably

1810
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: kills some of them. And I was calling. He was

1811
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: coming in. I think he got up to right where

1812
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: the part is where he like pounces but had a

1813
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: like WHOA, what the hell is at? And I just

1814
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: hear him like like I don't know why. I feel

1815
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: like the first thing I thought was that as a person,

1816
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: they're so quiet, never heard, and he was just I

1817
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: mean I could have poked him with my gun. I mean,

1818
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: just right there. They're so egg and yet they can

1819
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 1: just silently move over twigs and just have this weird

1820
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: way of articulating their their paws and their bodies. Our

1821
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: body was calling turkeys in New Mexico and looks and

1822
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: does a double check because he's on He's sitting alongside

1823
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: a two track, and the grass he stripped down the

1824
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 1: middle is a lion belly to the grass using the

1825
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: grassy strips camouflage, stalking him as he calls turkeys. Whoa,

1826
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: And that thing it's not gonna kill you, but it's

1827
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: probably gets to where it gets in range and it

1828
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: sees that movement and it's gonna pounds. I remember a

1829
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: guy reading about a guy who was was predator calling

1830
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: and when a bobcat came in and took his hat

1831
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: right off, hit him so hard. WHOA. Yeah, he's like

1832
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: making rabbit squeals, and the bobcat sees his hat moving,

1833
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: so that bobcat came in and like flew off with

1834
01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: his hat when it hit him in the head Man Crazy.

1835
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: It's a wild world out there, man, it is a

1836
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: wild world. It's just most people don't experience it. I

1837
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: love it. I love yeah. I love the excitement of it.

1838
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: I love the dangerous parts of it. Yeah. No, I

1839
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: love it too, and I'd love it in many ways

1840
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: thanks to you. Oh. I can't mean to bring this up.

1841
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: This is our hundred episode. I meant to bring this

1842
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: up in the beginning, but I got distracted by the

1843
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: guy who heard the show open and thought its treet

1844
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: was falling. Um, this is our hundredth episode and the

1845
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to do with you because I wouldn't

1846
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: be doing it if if it wasn't for you one

1847
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: inspiration into encouragement. I've told you before, your very generous person,

1848
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I want to It's been fun to do

1849
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: this one times and um, well, I'm selfishly happy that

1850
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: you do it because I love listening to it than you.

1851
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: I really love that one the other day with the

1852
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: writer the fly fishing right, John Gear he was great.

1853
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, So this is a small token of my

1854
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: appreciation to have you on right now because it was

1855
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: it's been fun doing this and I wouldn't I honestly

1856
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: would not be doing it if I hadn't seen you

1857
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: do it so well, and then have you say that

1858
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: I ought to be doing too well. It's a travesty

1859
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: if you didn't do it, Because I think your voice

1860
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: is so important in this really conflicted world when it

1861
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: comes to wildlife and hunting and conservation and all of

1862
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: these different subjects. Your your voice is incredibly necessary. And

1863
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 1: there's only so much of your voice it's going to

1864
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: get on your television show, so much of your voice

1865
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: is going to get out through the articles that you

1866
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: write or the books that you write. There needs to

1867
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: be more and your voice in the podcast around You're

1868
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: You're designed for podcast. Man, you could go forever. You

1869
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: have so many stories, you're so you're so articulate. It's

1870
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 1: like it's for you. This is like it's the perfect venue.

1871
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: It really is. And when I first did the podcast

1872
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: with you, I was like, why this guy have a

1873
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: fu podcast? Like you show a podcast, People get mad

1874
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: at me and I tell people they should have a podcast, Like, hey, bro,

1875
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: everybody just need to have a podcast. I used to

1876
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: get these comments and like a lot of people need

1877
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: a podcast, and there's plentying room for everybody, Yanni, you two,

1878
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: you've been in it for a long time. Though, Yeah,

1879
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: I've done. Next week it's I can't. I can't let

1880
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: you leave without I was with Callen last night and

1881
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: he was he was grabbing me like, when when are

1882
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 1: we hunting again? When are we hunting again? Because he

1883
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: hasn't been hunting since that last trip that we did

1884
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 1: in was it a Laskar or was it the turkey hunting?

1885
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 1: Turkey turkey hunting was the last one. That was the

1886
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: last how's he doing? Is good? He's good, he's doing good.

1887
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: The other day their day, I did an event in

1888
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: uh In, Oregon, and a guy came up and asked

1889
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: about the Cashmere Killer. We'll get one on the books. No,

1890
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I think I think we should, absolutely, because now we're

1891
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: starting to get to the time of year, we're looking

1892
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: ahead of next year. What do you think about going

1893
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: to Lanai. Let's go, b It's the greatest thing ever.

1894
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: They're super delicious, and you're in paradise. It's just seems

1895
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 1: surreal your bow hunting and you look to your left

1896
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: and it's the Pacific Ocean and it's gorgeous, it's amazing,

1897
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:22,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's also necessary. When you talk about conservation,

1898
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean they hire people, they hire snipers. That's one

1899
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: of those places where the conservation goal is to get

1900
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: rid of the animals. Yeah. They literally told me when

1901
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: you go there goes everything you want to shoot, shoot

1902
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: it everything you go. Yep, there's no number. Nope, no number.

1903
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 1: You have a license. Once you have a license, you

1904
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: can shoot as many as you want. Like you shoot

1905
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: five six deer. If you wanted to be crazy, you

1906
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: can have deer for a year. They're amazing, amazing. They're

1907
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:54,839
Speaker 1: super tender too, like shoulder meat and and like hams,

1908
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: taste like backstraps or a tenderloin. It's like super tender.

1909
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: They're delicious. And I had an old buck too and

1910
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: still like really tender meat, really good. I mean this

1911
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: it's just a weird environment. I'm sold. Let's do it.

1912
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: And you can shoot with anything, rightful. You're dust off?

1913
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: All right? Dusted off's got the cashmere. Killer's got a bow?

1914
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I'll bring him here, I'll have I'll test

1915
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: him on the range. We'll we'll start, let's start training.

1916
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: And got a little suction cups on the end of

1917
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the arrows, all right, Joe Rogan, host of The Joe

1918
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Rogan Experience. Um, really good stand up that makes you

1919
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: want to pisch your pants, all kinds of stuff. Color commentator.

1920
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 1: I love things you would sell me at three jobs. Yeah, yeah,

1921
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 1: so I think it's more color commentary for the you

1922
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: have to see stand up comedy podcasting. Yeah, it's pretty

1923
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: much just those three done some TV and film act

1924
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: and those things too. Yeah. I don't know anymore though.

1925
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe Rogan, Thank you thanks for introducing me

1926
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: to hunting. Problem is all you form at all. It's

1927
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: such a difficult dating relationship here and it works out

1928
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: well for me and you. It's a it's very hard

1929
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 1: for someone who's in their forties to figure out how

1930
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, you know, So for me to have you

1931
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: mentor me and take me out like that and show

1932
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: me how to do it, and then take me to

1933
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: Montana into like a real you know, the Missouri breaks,

1934
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: real wild environment. That was a life changing experience. Like

1935
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: I said, to this day, that moment of cooking that

1936
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: deer over that fire after a successful hunt or callendar

1937
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 1: callendard killed, I killed. We're sitting there and we're eating

1938
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: and we're enjoying it and taste delicious, and I was like,

1939
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 1: this is it, this is the solution. I'll add too

1940
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: as a final thought, is uh that's a national monument

1941
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: all right? Thanks for joining us. Two