WEBVTT - The Pride and The Power

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<v Speaker 1>It's May nineteen sixty three. The eyes of the world

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<v Speaker 1>are on Birmingham, Alabama. Hundreds of Birmingham's black residents, including

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<v Speaker 1>scores of teenagers, pour into the streets in their church

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<v Speaker 1>clothes on a warm Sunday afternoon. Birmingham's police chief, Eugene

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<v Speaker 1>Bull Connor, watches the scene unfold. Connor is a burly

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<v Speaker 1>white man in his mid sixties, slipped back, gray hair,

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<v Speaker 1>horn rimmed glasses. He looks a lot like the warden

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<v Speaker 1>from the Shawshank Redemption. In recent days, the frustrated Connor

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<v Speaker 1>has turned to police dogs and fire hoses to put

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<v Speaker 1>down the stream of protesters, and he has drawn national

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<v Speaker 1>attention to himself and his city in the process. The

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<v Speaker 1>marchers are given one more chance to turn around and disperse.

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<v Speaker 1>They refuse. The angry Connor whirls and shouts to his men,

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<v Speaker 1>damn it, turn on the hoses. Many protesters take to

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<v Speaker 1>their knees, prepared to stand a ground peacefully against the

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<v Speaker 1>coming onslaught. But what happened next is not what you

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<v Speaker 1>think or what you may have seen in the black

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<v Speaker 1>and white photos of protesters, dogs and fire hoses. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened next surprised even the man behind the protests in Birmingham,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King Jr. What happened next, or the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't bark, the fire hoses that didn't spread. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened next was what Dr King called the pride and

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<v Speaker 1>the power of nonviolence. We are so jess in ay.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to find, we have to ruy, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to love the bo we got to all it up.

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<v Speaker 1>We I'm Sean brass Well. Then this is The Thread.

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<v Speaker 1>Each season we unravel the stories behind some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most important lives and events in history to discover, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>how one thing leads to another. To do so, we

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<v Speaker 1>travel back through history, one story at a time to

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<v Speaker 1>explore the origins of an important event, an iconic figure,

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<v Speaker 1>or a big idea. This year marks the fiftieth anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of the death of the iconic civil rights leader Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King Jr. And so in season three of

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<v Speaker 1>The Thread, we explore the origins of a revolutionary idea,

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<v Speaker 1>one very near and dear to the heart of Doctor King,

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<v Speaker 1>the principle of nonviolent resistance, the counterintuitive notion that the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to reform your enemies is to love them.

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<v Speaker 1>The best way to counter their blows is to absorb them.

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<v Speaker 1>King established the use of mass, nonviolent protest on American soil,

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<v Speaker 1>but it did not begin with him. We'll take you

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<v Speaker 1>on a journey through the minds of some remarkable individuals

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<v Speaker 1>and across the globe this season on the Thread, we

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<v Speaker 1>find out how a single powerful idea can spread and

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<v Speaker 1>remake the world. When Martin Luther King Jr. Was fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, he had a formative experience aboard a segregated bus.

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<v Speaker 1>King and his high school teacher were on their way

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<v Speaker 1>back to Atlanta from an oratory contest in southern Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>They were asked to give up their seats when two

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<v Speaker 1>white passengers boarded the bus. The teenage King stood and

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<v Speaker 1>stewed for hours at the back of the bus. He

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<v Speaker 1>later recalled quote, it was the angriest I have ever

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<v Speaker 1>been in my life. Twelve years later, a forty two

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<v Speaker 1>year old seamstress found herself in a similar situation, but

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<v Speaker 1>his history has well told. Rosa Parks refused to give

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<v Speaker 1>up her seat, and his fate would have it. The

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<v Speaker 1>now twenty six year old doctor King had just accepted

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<v Speaker 1>a job as a minister in the city where Parks

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<v Speaker 1>took her famous ride Montgomery, Alabama. Mrs Rose of Parks

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested and taken down to jail, taken from the

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<v Speaker 1>bus just because she refused to give up a seat.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the young King addressing reporters about the events

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<v Speaker 1>unfolding in Montgomery. A boycott of the city's buses was

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<v Speaker 1>proposed four days after Parks was arrested. This is David

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<v Speaker 1>Garrow King, biographer and the Pulitzer Prize winning author of

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<v Speaker 1>Bearing the Cross. That's when Dr King debuted as the

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<v Speaker 1>lead spokesperson for this new citywide bus boycott effort. You

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<v Speaker 1>have been moved that a second the resolution the red

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<v Speaker 1>will be received a dollar. Are you read about a

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<v Speaker 1>question all in fable that had been known by standing

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<v Speaker 1>on your feet? King and his wife Kreta woke up

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<v Speaker 1>early on the first day of the boycott. They watched

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<v Speaker 1>the bus stott near their house from the front window

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<v Speaker 1>and looked on in amazement as bus after by passed by.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the buses contained not a single black passenger.

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<v Speaker 1>Grant was the day that we started a bust protest

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<v Speaker 1>which literally electrified the nation. And that was a day

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<v Speaker 1>when we decided that we were not going to take

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<v Speaker 1>segregated buses any longer. King saw a powerful social movement

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<v Speaker 1>come together before his eyes. Well several weeks now were

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<v Speaker 1>the Nigro citizens of Montgomery have been involved in a

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<v Speaker 1>non violent protest against the injustices which we have experienced

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<v Speaker 1>on the buses a number of years. Soon the boycott

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<v Speaker 1>went from weeks to months, and Montgomery's white community started

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<v Speaker 1>to press back. This is historian John Demilio, So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a protest like this developing in Alabama in n segregation

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<v Speaker 1>is the rule. Um, white supremacists have no reluctance to

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<v Speaker 1>use violence to keep African Americans in line. Uh. They

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<v Speaker 1>lynch people, they shoot people, They're willing to burn houses.

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<v Speaker 1>They will do anything that they have to do. King

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<v Speaker 1>quickly became a primary target for that violence. David Garrow again.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor King gradually becomes a more and more visible figure

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<v Speaker 1>in local Montgomery news coverage. Not long thereafter, Uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a small bomb that's detonated on the porch of his

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<v Speaker 1>home when he's out at a rally. It breaks some windows. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>No one fortunately is injured. An angry crowd had gathered

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<v Speaker 1>outside Dr King's home by the time here back. They

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<v Speaker 1>refused to obey police instructions to disperse, King stepped onto

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<v Speaker 1>the front porch. He asked them not to retaliate. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>referring to the people who had nearly killed his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and child an hour before, King told the crowd quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to love our enemies. Be good to them,

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<v Speaker 1>love them, and let them know you love them. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can see in his remarks that evening how his

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental Christian belief in a in an ethnic and doctrine

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<v Speaker 1>of love, even love for one's enemies, uh is at

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<v Speaker 1>the very core of his being. Finally, Montgomery City leaders

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to the protesters demands after a community of more

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<v Speaker 1>than fifty thousand people had protested for three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two days. Montgomery's buses would never be segregated again,

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<v Speaker 1>and King and his allies had launched a powerful new

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<v Speaker 1>form of protests in America. Nonviolent resistance give passive resistance

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<v Speaker 1>means just passively accepting violence and justice. If it means

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<v Speaker 1>cowardice and stagnant passivity, then that is a difference. Because

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<v Speaker 1>non violent resistance that there is resist it is dynamically active.

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<v Speaker 1>Governments think it's a dangerous idea. It's a cherished notion

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<v Speaker 1>of government that they have an exclusive right to violence.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Mark Kurlansky, author of non Violence, The History

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<v Speaker 1>of a Dangerous idea. If your opponents are violent, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're violent, you're playing to their strong suit. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>if you're non violent, you're they don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Uh. And that's what happened with the civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights movement. King's non violent approach transformed that movement. Before

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<v Speaker 1>the Montgomery bus boycott, the U s Civil rights movement

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<v Speaker 1>was based in the North, with organizations like the Inn

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<v Speaker 1>Double A c P, which won the landmark school desegregation

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<v Speaker 1>decision Brown Versus Board of Education a year after the boycott.

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<v Speaker 1>King and several other Southern black ministers and activists formed

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<v Speaker 1>the Southern Christian Leadership Conference or SCLC in nineteen fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when the center of the civil rights movement

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<v Speaker 1>began to shift to the South, and so the black

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<v Speaker 1>religious leaders like King, who waged a new war of

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<v Speaker 1>non violence. David Garrow. The lesson of Montgomery was that

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<v Speaker 1>local black communities, just ordinary residents citizens could take meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>action on their own against racial segregation without waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>leadership from new York City. Dr King was a unique

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<v Speaker 1>personality because he was a conflict resolver. He acted as

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<v Speaker 1>a lubricant and a persuader to get people to compromise

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<v Speaker 1>and do things in keeping with his tradition of the

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<v Speaker 1>non violent techniques. This is Timothy Jenkins, a civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>leader who helped organize students, sit ins and other non

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<v Speaker 1>violent protests during the nineteen sixties, and he was an

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<v Speaker 1>advocate of techniques of persuasion that did not revolve around

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<v Speaker 1>force or arms or threats, and that led to I

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<v Speaker 1>think a unique character to this movement as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>normal political movements, because it was not a test of

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<v Speaker 1>power and the test of authority. It was a test

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<v Speaker 1>of moral suasion. But it was a test that did

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<v Speaker 1>not always work. John Demilio again. Dr King had been

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<v Speaker 1>in supporting protests in Albany, Georgia in nineteen sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>for much of the year and it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating experience, um in part because the sheriff in Albany,

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia had the foresight not to respond to these protests

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<v Speaker 1>with violence, and so the protests didn't capture headlines. The

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<v Speaker 1>Southern non violence campaign stalled by the end of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two. In many ways, non violent protests depends upon

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<v Speaker 1>violence from those in authority to succeed, and King knew

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<v Speaker 1>that the movement needed a confrontation to regain the nation's attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Kurlansky. He realized that, you know, resisting non violently

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<v Speaker 1>would only work if people saw you doing it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is how King and the SCLC came to be in Birmingham, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>the most segregated city in America in early nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Birmingham has one of the most brutal white sheriffs in

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<v Speaker 1>the South, John Demilio. Again he went by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Bull Connor, which tells you something about out how

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<v Speaker 1>people perceived him. He was as determined and fierce as

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<v Speaker 1>a bull. Here the animated Connor in a white shirt

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<v Speaker 1>and black tie defends his actions in Birmingham. You can

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<v Speaker 1>never with the boy if you don't keep you and

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<v Speaker 1>him separated. I found out out bleming him. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to keep your white and a black separn King and

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<v Speaker 1>local black leaders were banking on the fact that Connor

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<v Speaker 1>would take any means necessary to ensure that Birmingham's races

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<v Speaker 1>remained separate. The demonstrations began during Easter Week nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>About fifty supporters turned out for the first march on

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<v Speaker 1>Good Friday. After four and a half blocks, the marchers,

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<v Speaker 1>including King, were met by Connor's officers, placed under arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>and taken to the city jail. For the next few weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>the demonstrations did not have their intended effect David Garrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially in Birmingham, King and SCLC had a good degree

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble in recruiting Black community members to participate in protests.

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<v Speaker 1>Connor and the Birmingham police remained restrained, avoiding the media

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<v Speaker 1>attention that King counted on. So a new tactic was adopted.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaflets are circulated in Birmingham's black high schools urging students

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<v Speaker 1>to join the next demonstration in Birmingham. They decide to

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<v Speaker 1>mobilize young people, not young adults, not college students, but

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<v Speaker 1>high school students and younger and that gets a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of publicity and at a certain point Bull Connor and

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<v Speaker 1>the police just lose it and they start beating people

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<v Speaker 1>and arresting them on mass Police arrested more than five

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<v Speaker 1>students in the first two days. The jails were full

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<v Speaker 1>and Connor's patients was running thin. He unleashed the police

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<v Speaker 1>dogs and ordered the fire hoses be turned on demonstrators.

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<v Speaker 1>Water from the high powered hoses tore the clothes off

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<v Speaker 1>some protesters backs for agraphers and television cameras captured the

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<v Speaker 1>brutal attack. Images of police officers beating protesters, the teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>getting slammed against walls by water, and if dogs snarling

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<v Speaker 1>at young girls made headlines across the country. Many whites

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<v Speaker 1>in the rest of the country, we're going about their

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<v Speaker 1>lives not even noticing that this was going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the South. Well, you couldn't not notice this, And so

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<v Speaker 1>Birmingham really brings the civil rights struggle up to a

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<v Speaker 1>new level of visibility. But perhaps the most remarkable part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Birmingham story happened on that Sunday afternoon in

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<v Speaker 1>early May where we started this episode. The protesters, many

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<v Speaker 1>on their knees, braced themselves yet again for the Birmingham

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<v Speaker 1>police to unleash the dogs and the fire hoses. Bull

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<v Speaker 1>Connor himself gives the order for them to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>Then for the next thirty seconds, something astonishing occurs. Connor's

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<v Speaker 1>men do nothing. Slowly, the protesters stand up and continue

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<v Speaker 1>forward with their march. Doctor King later described the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Connor's men as though hypnotized, fell back, their hoses sagging

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<v Speaker 1>uselessly in their hands, while several hundred Negroes marched past

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<v Speaker 1>them without further interference. It would prove to be a

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<v Speaker 1>defining moment for the civil rights movement, and for King,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an eye opening event. As he later wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt there for the first time the pride and

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<v Speaker 1>the power of nonviolence. The nonviolent movement had taken the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle to the heart of the Jim Crow South and

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<v Speaker 1>to the forefront of the national consciousness. King was thrilled.

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<v Speaker 1>The activity is which have taken place in Birmingham over

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<v Speaker 1>the last few days, into my mind, marked a non

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<v Speaker 1>violent movement coming of age. David Garrow again, the images

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<v Speaker 1>and impact of Birmingham convinced both of the Kennedy brothers

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<v Speaker 1>that they needed to finally move forward with a meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights bill. That's the real tangible impact of Birmingham.

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<v Speaker 1>Congress passes the most sweeping civil rights bill ever to

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<v Speaker 1>be written into the law, and thus reaffirms the conception

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<v Speaker 1>of equality for all men that began with Lincoln and

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War one hundred years ago. The summer of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three was a revolution, King later said, because

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<v Speaker 1>it changed the face of America. By the time it

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<v Speaker 1>was over, hundreds of lunch counters, hotels, parks, and other

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<v Speaker 1>public places had been integrated. King and his nonviolent movement

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<v Speaker 1>continued to win victories and historic legislation over the next

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<v Speaker 1>few years, but not without cost. King led a march

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<v Speaker 1>for voting rights in Alabama in nineteen sixty five that

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in what was called Bloody Sunday. Armed police attacked

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<v Speaker 1>King and other peaceful demonstrators as they walked across the

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<v Speaker 1>Edmund Pettis Bridge in Selma, just like in Birmingham. Television

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<v Speaker 1>carried the beatings to audiences across the country and the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Kurlanski again, you know it worked in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't think his opponents understood how well it worked,

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<v Speaker 1>or they wouldn't have done things like the Pettis Bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the power of people seeing that all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. King's non violent campaign was working, but he

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<v Speaker 1>sensed that violence still bubbled just beneath the surface during

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<v Speaker 1>the turbulent times. Here's King on Meet the Press in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five. Realism impel impelled me to admit, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that when there is justice and the pursuit of justice,

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<v Speaker 1>violence disappears. And where there is injustice and frustration, the

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<v Speaker 1>potentialities for violence are great on those frustrations, and the

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<v Speaker 1>potential for violence would grow with the nineteen sixties war

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<v Speaker 1>on Up. Next, we dip into the shadows of history

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<v Speaker 1>to meet the remarkable man who inspired Dr. King's non

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<v Speaker 1>violent approach in the first place. Men, for years now

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<v Speaker 1>have been talking about one piece. But now no longer

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<v Speaker 1>can we just talk about it is no longer The

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<v Speaker 1>choice between violence and non violence in this world is

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<v Speaker 1>non violence on non existence. That is where we are

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<v Speaker 1>to date. Good evening. Dr Martin Luther King, the apostle

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<v Speaker 1>of non violence in the civil rights movement, has been

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<v Speaker 1>shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee. Doctor King was standing

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<v Speaker 1>on the balcony of his second floor hotel room tonight when,

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<v Speaker 1>according to a companion, a shot was fired from across

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<v Speaker 1>the street, and the friend's words, the bullet exploded in

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<v Speaker 1>his face. Martin Luther King's legacy is inextricably tied to

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<v Speaker 1>the non violent approach he championed, but the civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>leader was not always opposed to violence. As a seminary student,

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<v Speaker 1>he expressed skepticism about the virtues of pacifism and non violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in the opening days of the Montgomery boycott, King

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<v Speaker 1>had not yet found his non violent voice. Mark Kurlansky,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of funny the way he's portrayed today, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in schools, you know, as as just this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dreamy guy who's about peace and love. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>very determined political activist who eventually embraced non violence because

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<v Speaker 1>he became convinced that that would work. And one man

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<v Speaker 1>above all others convinced King that it would work. But

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<v Speaker 1>King would have to make some changes. First. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Montgomery. It's February ninety. King's house has just

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<v Speaker 1>been bombed David Garret. As the Montgomery bus boycott begins

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve national news coverage, um civil rights supporters around

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<v Speaker 1>the country begin asking them selves what they can do

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<v Speaker 1>to assist the Montgomery protesters. One of those prominent northern

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<v Speaker 1>activists was a forty three year old black Quaker from

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania named Bayard Rustin. A longtime advocate of nonviolent protest,

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<v Speaker 1>Ruston was concerned by what he saw when he arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in Montgomery. So at the beginning there in Montgomery, even

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<v Speaker 1>though doctor King believed in a Christian doctrine of love,

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<v Speaker 1>his interest in nonviolence was not such that he was

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<v Speaker 1>prohibiting black community members from standing armed guard. After King's

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<v Speaker 1>house was bombed, armed men kept guard out front each night.

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<v Speaker 1>Byar Rustin came to King's home shortly after the bombing,

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<v Speaker 1>but byed himself. Is is taken somewhat aback um when

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<v Speaker 1>he sits down in a chair at doctor King's home

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<v Speaker 1>and realizes there's a gun in it. King explained that

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<v Speaker 1>they did not intend to use the firearms harm anyone

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<v Speaker 1>unless they were violently attacked. This is Rustin biographer John

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<v Speaker 1>Damelio again, and Rustin explains to him that if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be modeling non violence, you can't possess guns.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually have to live out completely the philosophy of

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<v Speaker 1>non violence. That was just the first lesson Rustin would

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<v Speaker 1>provide to the young King. The weapons and armed guards

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<v Speaker 1>were removed, and so Rustin becomes his tutor and instructor.

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<v Speaker 1>And really within the space of a few weeks, it

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<v Speaker 1>is not an exaggeration to say that in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the strategy, tactics, and philosophy of non violence. Buyard Rustin

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<v Speaker 1>becomes Dr King's most trusted and closest advisor. The tall,

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<v Speaker 1>cosmopolitan Quaker and the short, eloquent Baptist preacher made for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a pair. It was to be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most productive relationships in American history. Rustin immediately recognized King's

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<v Speaker 1>raw talent and potential as a leader, but knew he

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<v Speaker 1>still had a long way to go. Doctor King justifiably

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<v Speaker 1>has become such a heroic figure and so closely associated

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<v Speaker 1>with non violence and a mass movement that most people

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<v Speaker 1>don't realize that. At the time that Rustin meets him

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<v Speaker 1>in the early stages of the boycott, Doctor King knows

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<v Speaker 1>about non violence, but he has no training in it.

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<v Speaker 1>He has no direct experience in the tactics and strategy

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<v Speaker 1>of a non violent movement, and so, starting in Montgomery,

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<v Speaker 1>Rustin and King had lengthy conversations about non violent principles,

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<v Speaker 1>organizing tactics, and strategic thinking. Rustin even started ghostwriting some

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<v Speaker 1>of King's speeches. King could not have had a better tutor.

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<v Speaker 1>Many in the activist community considered Rusting, to be quote

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<v Speaker 1>the American Gandhi. It was not hyperbole. Every fiber in

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<v Speaker 1>Ruston's being was dedicated to the principles of non violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Buyer Drusted. I said to beget when you were

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<v Speaker 1>not like what I am saying. Those people who think

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<v Speaker 1>that we can use guns and knives against tanks and buzukas,

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<v Speaker 1>they are an ignorant bunks. In the next episode, we

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about King's mentor, Buyer Drusted, the remarkable individual

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for the March on Washington that launched King's dream,

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<v Speaker 1>a gay man banished behind the scenes of the civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights drama, but who still managed to change the course

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<v Speaker 1>of American history from its shadows. We are so in.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to fi. We got to all the good.

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