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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, Must Talk More. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal in a

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes. This feels weird, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesselen and no Dan hands is today. Unfortunately, Hey, Greg, Well,

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Speaker 1: our friend had to to attend to some some business

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Speaker 1: and so we hope he'll be fine and we'll we'll

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Speaker 1: carry on. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's obviously a big day in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Dan's been cranking out posts like the rest

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Speaker 1: of us the last few days as the start of

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Speaker 1: free agency, and right before we came up to the

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Speaker 1: podcast studio. Unfortunately, Dan just got taken away, uh from

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Speaker 1: submergent matters. The show must go on. Dan wants it

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Speaker 1: that way, and you know, it's not like we have

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Speaker 1: a shortage of things to talk about here. Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: you're a baby's back in the cloud has been lefted.

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Speaker 1: He's back in on the two thousand seventeen Browns. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna make Matt money Smith happy. Plenty of Browns that

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Speaker 1: you can get into that. But yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, a team that had absolutely nothing but desolate

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Speaker 1: How's how's your free agency been so far? West, It's

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Speaker 1: been grand West is on his way. Well, he's on

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Speaker 1: his way somewhere that we can't say right now. It's

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Speaker 1: a it's a man cannon vacation. You can't wait to

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Speaker 1: get out of this office. It's a weekend. Oh, you're

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Speaker 1: heading out. I'm heading out this afternoon. You're ditching us.

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Speaker 1: We're just pounding out post. I mean, well, I've had

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Speaker 1: no vacation since last year, and this is the first

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Speaker 1: day of WOW, And unlike some other people, I asked

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Speaker 1: off three months ago, so satisfired right off the bat.

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Speaker 1: We actually, you know, we have a relative short time

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Speaker 1: in this studio considering how much news and stories that

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Speaker 1: we need to get through before the next podcast, the

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Speaker 1: fantasy podcast comes in here. So you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll just kind of cut short all the little chit

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Speaker 1: chat and get to it. God forbid, we pushed them

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Speaker 1: believe it. Oh, brock Oswiler, the ultimate brock Oswiler moment.

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Speaker 1: Hello said, By the way, I know, if I was

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Speaker 1: a better you know, quote unquote host, this is why

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Speaker 1: we have Colleen step In. Yeah, we didn't really have

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Speaker 1: time to go get a substitute host or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're pushing on. We are pros. You're doing

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Speaker 1: a good job. Greg. Thanks the brown The Browns, and uh,

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Speaker 1: the Texans are pushing on from the brock os Wilder

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Speaker 1: pulled off a deal that we've really never seen in

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Speaker 1: a two thousand and eighteen second round pick to the Browns.

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Speaker 1: A couple of compensatory picks in late rounds also exchanged

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Speaker 1: to finish out the deal to Cleveland. Just to get

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Speaker 1: rid of brock Oswiler, get that sixteen million dollars in

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslum, the Browns owner's pocketbook. He carries a pocketbook

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Speaker 1: around ten ten million dollars in salary cap space gone

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Like, what was going through your mind when

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Speaker 1: you first heard this Mark, well, initially I read it

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Speaker 1: But when I found out what happened, I mean you

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Speaker 1: you you've framed it as the Texans pulled off the deal.

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Speaker 1: It's very much an unprecedented transaction that very much involved

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Speaker 1: a deeper look into Cleveland's analytics based if you want

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Speaker 1: This is what happens. It's it's the whatever you want

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Speaker 1: it's a crazy idea. And I think where it comes

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Speaker 1: draft picks. So Garoppolo amazingly wasn't the only person to

428
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Speaker 1: say goodbye on social media before it was actually time

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Speaker 1: to say goodbye. Hey everyone, there's been a crazy forty

430
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Speaker 1: eight hours here. I want to say thank you, and

431
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Speaker 1: we have a lot to think about who's going forward.

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Speaker 1: But I'll see what happens. I'm just gonna keep listening

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Speaker 1: to Bob Lan. That was Tony Romo in a very

434
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Speaker 1: strange goodbye, not quite like you know, the tearful press

435
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: conference he had. H it's strangely time goodbye on Instagram, right,

436
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I believe in right when free agency started making it

437
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: sound like the Cowboys had already released him, which would

438
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: make sense if you were watching NFL Network, ESPN or

439
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: basically any other news source you know out of Russian

440
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: state television on Wednesday, which all said Tony Romo was

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Speaker 1: going to be released. That Tony Romo was told that

442
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: he was going to be released, but right before free

443
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: agency started, we got the news. Uh no, the Cowboys

444
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: are gonna keep him for now. Ian Rappaport says that

445
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: plan was never to wave Tony Romo. Very strange and

446
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: that he as we're taping this Friday, late Friday morning,

447
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: he's he's still part of the team and they want

448
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: to try to trade him. We praised the Browns and

449
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 1: Texans for you know, give them credit for thinking outside

450
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: the box and being creative and thinking in a new way.

451
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: And then here we are the Texans and Broncos in

452
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: March of two thousand sixteen initiate a bidding war for

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Speaker 1: brock Osweiler in March up two thousand seventeen, refused to

454
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Speaker 1: initiate a bidding more for a much better quarterback. Yeah,

455
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a strange dynamic. I I I still think

456
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Speaker 1: that cow Is have to get Romo out of the

457
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Speaker 1: building before team activities start again, before that whole thing happens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could just stay home in theory, but

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Speaker 1: you'r I agree. Are they just trying to see if

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Speaker 1: they can get literally anything for him before why not

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00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: don't they got a little bit of leverage from Houston's

462
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Speaker 1: trade because you could tell that Houston, I would think

463
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Speaker 1: you could tell that they want Romo. Now, conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: I got two of them here, all right, Number one,

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Speaker 1: Suddenly you are a conspiracy theory. Yes, this one's more

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Speaker 1: of just a theory. Tony Romo and his agent. You know,

467
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Speaker 1: this is a theme today. Maybe just because they read

468
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: this big article. They're trying to sew some chaos again,

469
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Speaker 1: like the Russian government has been trying to do to

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Speaker 1: our politicals. As they're trying to sew some chaos out

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Speaker 1: there in the media. Where does it come from that

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo was told that he was going to be released?

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Speaker 1: I mean that that sounds like it's coming from someone

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Speaker 1: that's Tony Romo essentially, that that's strange news to be

475
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Speaker 1: out there, that it doesn't come true at all, and

476
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: the cowboys essentially you're saying that was never true. So

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00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: that's number one. On Thursday, we see reports from ESPN

478
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Speaker 1: that the Broncos are getting involved in trade talks for

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo. That's another strange one. Immediately, James palmer Goes

480
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Speaker 1: on our network said that that's not happening, that they

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Speaker 1: haven't been in trade talks. These things seem like they're

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Speaker 1: coming from Romo's camp. The first one maybe to put

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Speaker 1: pressure on the Cowboys to actually release them. They thought

484
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Speaker 1: maybe if that's just out there, the Cowboys would feel

485
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Speaker 1: the pressure to do right by him, quote unquote uh.

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Speaker 1: And then the second one, maybe they inspire Houston to

487
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Speaker 1: get off their ass and trade for him, because I

488
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: think they want to go to Houston. That's my takeaway

489
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Speaker 1: from the last few days. Denver is great and all.

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Speaker 1: Maybe as an option, but they don't have an offensive line,

491
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: they're not close whatever. I think he just I think

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Speaker 1: he wants to play for the Texans. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: they even knew the Texans we're clearing the decks here

494
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Speaker 1: for Romo and that's why they held onto him. But

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's all pointing towards Tony Romo. Texans.

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Speaker 1: One point, it involves more than one person your theory,

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Speaker 1: so it is a conspiracy theory. Number two, I think

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Speaker 1: it's very plausible. You're absolutely I think you're absolutely dead

499
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: on with that that this is all this stuff about

500
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Speaker 1: the Texans and or the Cowboys and Tony Romo just

501
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: want to make this peaceful transition to the next stage

502
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: of his life. This is one of the cleaner breaks

503
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, But none of these are totally right

504
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: up to now. It's just that I I don't think

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00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: that Tony Romo is some wilting flower that's just going

506
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Speaker 1: to be released after what happened next season without having

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Speaker 1: some impact in it. And it does feel age and driven. Yeah,

508
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be happy if this drags on and

509
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: the Cowboys getting like a sixth round pick for you.

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Speaker 1: That's probably It's not that not that is probably that's

511
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Speaker 1: the thing that it's probably the end game is like

512
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: a best case scenario. They're probably getting like what a

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00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: fourth or a fifth round pick. I don't know. He's

514
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: about to Tony Romo is about to have about to

515
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: have a third child. Is that the number there's a

516
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: new child on the way or the new child has arrived?

517
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Speaker 1: I think I think it's on the way. To drive

518
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: from Houston to Dallas is very manageable. It's it's about

519
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: three hours. It means you could be around your home,

520
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: around your wife and kids easily. And by the way,

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00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: it's it's probably as good of a setup is not

522
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: what Broncos are. That's not how franchise quarterbacks rule. He'll

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00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: be taking Bovate jet right and there, and they look

524
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: like a team that I'm not saying he's driving in

525
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: a rental car between the two, and they look like

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Speaker 1: a team that could compete for a super Bowl that

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Speaker 1: they had a starting course. I think also if you

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00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: and again to come back to this competitive nature that Rome,

529
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: who absolutely has I think he's undersold on that front

530
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Speaker 1: that to be in the same state and get the

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00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: other team in Texas to the super Bowl would be

532
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating stories and he knows it,

533
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: and nothing would rankle Jerry Jones more right, which is

534
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: maybe why their whole being on to him, like people

535
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: that I people have thrown out whether he could possibly

536
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: retire if if if this doesn't work out getting to

537
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: the Texans, But when two sides make so much sense

538
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: for each other, you know, I think it's gonna happen.

539
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: But it could drag out that one thing. To make

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00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: clear that the Cowboys have no financial incentive to get

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Speaker 1: rid of him. They only get the cap relief from

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00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: getting rid of him after June one, So in the meantime,

543
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. That's one quarterback situation that's kind

544
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: of just like hanging out there, and another one we're

545
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about over the next few weeks. Kirk

546
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Cousins and Washington, we've talked about it a lot. But

547
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Speaker 1: the news on Friday was that he signed his franchise

548
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Tag West. Do you see that part of the equation

549
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: that he's now officially signed with the Redskins changing anything. Yeah,

550
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna go on with this situation, just

551
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: because the Redskins are so dysfunctional, But it seems like

552
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: there might be some light at the end of the

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00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: tunnel if the Redskins are willing to negotiate from that

554
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: standpoint of twenty four million. If they're willing to do that, maybe,

555
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: But there are also report that kirk Cousins will not

556
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: sign long term as long as Bruce Allen remains in

557
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: the president rule. It's such a toxic that house is

558
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: absolutely on fire. And but but Washington has the leverage

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00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: over kirk Cousins now that he's signed it and it's

560
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: going to carry on for another year. I feel like

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00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: they're they have a modicum of leverage, but it evaporates

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00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: after the seasons. Oh no, just for this season. I mean,

563
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: you sign that thing and it's over. But it's it

564
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: just feels like such a depressing situation in Washington. Well

565
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: for multiples. You said that report that they won't sign

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Speaker 1: a long term deal while Bruce Allen's there, I mean,

567
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: and that it sounds like that's from both sides. It

568
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: sounds like Bruce Allen doesn't want to sign him to

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00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: a long term deal, which is crazy. Let's what's Bruce

570
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Allen doing? What's this guy doing? He's just he's tearing

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00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: the franchise down. He I think it's called pride. I

572
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of a lot of trade him.

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Speaker 1: If he's not gonna be on your team after this year,

574
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: then they should trade him. Yeah. I never really Bruce Allen.

575
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: It's not just the Kirk Cousins, it's the it's his

576
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: fingerprints the entire organization. Well, that's the fact that they

577
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: were never good when he was running the show. And

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00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: then Scott mcluen started getting credit and Bruce Allen bristoled

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Speaker 1: at that. And now Scott mcluen is not there anymore,

580
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Speaker 1: and the Redskins are gonna be as bad as they

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Speaker 1: were when Bruce Allen was running this right, So the

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Speaker 1: Redskins fired general manager Scott mcgluen. We've talked about this

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Speaker 1: situation the last couple of shows, but I think it

584
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: really this is something I have the worst memory ever,

585
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: and this is something I think I will go back

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00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: to whenever I'm making any sort of like Redskins are

587
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: dysfunctional rants in the next ten years. That this is

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00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: the franchise that fired their general manager on the day

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: that free agency started. That is an amazing thing to

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00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: have happened. I think it almost We were so we

591
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: were getting ready for it, so in the moment it

592
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: didn't seem that crazy. But what could possibly look worse

593
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: as an organization and be more embarrassing that you literally

594
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: fired your general manager the day that free agency started. Well, well, say,

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00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: the only thing that can make it even worse than

596
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: it ority is is that we know that Scott McCluin

597
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: very publicly acknowledges a struggle with alcohol and it's out there.

598
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: He's out there with that, and that there are people

599
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: out there reporting to some degree that the Redskins used

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00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: that against him, when that wasn't necessarily the only issues

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00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: that Scott mcluin face. The issue he faced was Bruce

602
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Allen and the power struggle and the pride and the contentionists,

603
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: contentiousness inside the organization. That is what makes the Redskins

604
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: the most toxic organization in the NFL. Right now, Well,

605
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: what's it's The distance to number two is pretty deep.

606
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: I think you should look askance when the Washington Post

607
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: is quoting anonymous sources saying that he was a problem

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00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: in the locker room and showed up drunk in the

609
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: locker room, made a spectacle of himself, and then they

610
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: quote six players saying that was never an issue in

611
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: the locker room. Scott mcluin was perfectly professional in the

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00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: locker room and there was never an issue. That is

613
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: a major disconnect. Liz Clark and Mike Jones wrote a

614
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: great long piece in the Washington Post. They've been really good,

615
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: uh reporting this that that people should check out. I

616
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: think Jake Gruden has done a really good job trying

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Speaker 1: to work with a really tough situation, because it sounds

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: like mcglewin never really had all of the power that

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00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen was making plenty of decisions, and now you're

620
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: in a situation where they are literally the first team

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00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: in NFL history to lose to one thousand yard receivers

622
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Speaker 1: in the same offseason. You have this Cousins thing hanging

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00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: over you. You lost, by the way, your best you know,

624
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, Chris Baker. I'm not saying they can't recover

625
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: from that, but there's a lot going on. You fired

626
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator and you didn't get the big name

627
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that they were reportedly going after. They thought

628
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: they were going to get some great, you know coordinator,

629
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: maybe a Wade Phillips. Instead they ended up promoting from within.

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00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: This situation stinks. Yeah, well, when don't blame Kirk, welcome

631
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: back to the Bruce Allen era and it it's not

632
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: a good sign for the Redskins. When Scott mccluy and

633
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, Seth Wickersen wrote an incredible feature on him

634
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, tweeted last night that people

635
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: from the Seahawks, his former employer, the forty nine, or

636
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: his former employer and people all around the league have

637
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: come out to speak in favor of Scott mccluen, one

638
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: of the most respected talent evaluators in the NFL. Well,

639
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: we don't know the Redskin side either, and it's a

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00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: very complex situation when you from all from all reports,

641
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Speaker 1: it seems to be that he is a functioning alcoholic

642
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: who was very good at his job, absolutely just which

643
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: is not necessarily the easiest thing for the people around him.

644
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: But we we are not inside the building, You're right.

645
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: So that is one spot where the quarterback situation is

646
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: kind of open. And another one of those spots is

647
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: with the Jets. And after Jake Cutler was released on Thursday,

648
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: as expected, there were reports that the Jets and Jake

649
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Cutler have mutual interest. I also happen to think, and

650
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: I'll just throw this out there, if Kirk Cousins got traded,

651
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I could I see that as a as a very

652
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: logical landing spot for Jay Cutler. I think he could

653
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: work in that Jake Gruden system and that just seems

654
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: like a Redskins Jay Cutler type of move. But that's

655
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: looking way ahead. If they did get rid of Jay Culer.

656
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: For now, Jets Jay Cutler. Dan's not here to be

657
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: excited about it, but we know he's kind of in

658
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: on this. I think Dan is in on the idea

659
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: of the Jets getting the number one pick. How many

660
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: times has he mentioned that over the last I'm not

661
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: in on this because the Jets are gonna be so

662
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: bad it's just gonna be an embarrassed. What what's the

663
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: upside for Jake Cutler making money? I guess I mean

664
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Speaker 1: that's been I think Jay Cutler is the guy that

665
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get the number one pick, he's

666
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: gonna go win you four or five games and keep

667
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: you out of the night. I agree, you just enough

668
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: to not be bad enough. I thought it was interesting

669
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Speaker 1: that conventional wisdom is the New York papers we'll eat

670
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler alive, and Brandon Marshall tooled the Rich Eyes

671
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: and Show on Friday that Jake Cutler has the absolute

672
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: deal personality to deal with the New York media because

673
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: he doesn't give one damn care. He doesn't care. Most

674
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: athletes they say they don't read their stuff and that

675
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: they don't care, and you don't believe him for a second,

676
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: and you believe it. He in that from that angle,

677
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: he fits perfectly. He's never going to pick up a

678
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: tabloid the entire time. He's never changed, which is that

679
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, Dan wrote this and it is to his credit.

680
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: There's no there's no like maneuvering the media with him.

681
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: He is he is who he is, He's he and

682
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: he's better than you know he's he's a punching bag.

683
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: And yet if he was on the Texans last year,

684
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: it's like they would have had a shot to maybe

685
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots in that playoff game in the most

686
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: heartbreaking way post probably probably, but it would have gone

687
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: down in the last few minutes. And he would have

688
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: been a lot better than a hand than a decent

689
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: handful of quarter starting quarterback situations out there. So we'll see.

690
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably coming in New York. Let's

691
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: flip to a team that on our NFL network hit

692
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: on Friday, which if you listen to this in time,

693
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: you probably won't, to be honest, but if you listen

694
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: to it in time, we're on the Free Agency Frenzy

695
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Show on Friday, NFL Network in the afternoon. Will also

696
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: be on Up to the Minute Live on Monday between

697
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: one and two Eastern time, so people should check that out.

698
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be barring crazy news happens happening, because then

699
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: we'll quickly be blown Then we might get blown out,

700
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: but you know it happens, and we listed the Philadelphia

701
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Eagles as one of the biggest winners, specifically Carson Wentz

702
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: after what happened in free agency. Chris Wesley, Yeah, I

703
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: don't it's there. I don't know Carson Wentz is a winner,

704
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: but there's some kind of spiky sense that I have

705
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: that this is not all gonna work out well and

706
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: Tory Smith both signing contracts with the Eagles. On paper,

707
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: you've got two outside receivers who are deep threats. You've

708
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: got a jump boll artist in al Sean Jeffrey, which

709
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: should work well because Carson Wentz was sailing how many

710
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: passes at the end of last year and you moved

711
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews to the slot. On paper, it works well.

712
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Do you fix your offensive line? Do you fix your

713
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: running game? Is all that coming to I guess, But

714
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: from al Shan Jeffrey's point of view, it's sure seems

715
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: like a risk to go sign with one of the

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00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: worst quarterbacks in the NFL last season. It is the

717
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: highest I know he's got potential, but he was one

718
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: of the worst quarterback. It could be like signing with ports,

719
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: but he threw for four thousand yards am I wrong?

720
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean right, but that's what I mean. But that's

721
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: what matters for receivers, his yards and catches. So I

722
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, there's plenty of yards to get.

723
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: Even if in a bad season he has four thousand yards.

724
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: They are paying him, if it's outside of franchise tags,

725
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: the most money for a one year contract of any

726
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: player in NFL history el Shan Jeffrey. I'll say this though.

727
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Part of the problem for that's what was tweeted. Part

728
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: of the problem for Carson Wentz was the lack of

729
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: weapons around him. There really was not my the dysfunctional

730
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver group. So I like free agency in the

731
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: Eagles love free agency under Howie Roseman. You cannot fix

732
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: everything Tory Smith, if he's the guy he was, you

733
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: know for times in San Francisco, He's not gonna come

734
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: in and and completely, you know, spread out an offense

735
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: the way you'd want him to. But they're addressing it.

736
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: They can still draft someone, but it gives it gives

737
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: Wentz a chance and more weapons, and it's here the

738
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: worst yards per attempt outside of brock Oswiler last year.

739
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: He I think it's easy for people. I love the

740
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: idea of Carson Wentz and then you go watch some

741
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: of what happened to him in some games and a

742
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: lot needs to change for him next season. Yeah, but

743
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: he also he he was up and down. I just

744
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: want to see it. I just want to see the

745
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: second season. I think he showed enough that you could be, yeah,

746
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: you could be excited about his second season. I am

747
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: to watch it. I don't think it's at risky for

748
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: al Shan. You know, he reportedly turned down long term

749
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: money from the Vikings. Now it probably was not a

750
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: top of the market I'm one of the top three

751
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: or four receivers in the league. Type of money or else,

752
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: he obviously would have taken it. But he's taking a

753
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: little risk. And I think this is a little way

754
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: of like this is how the NFL is moving. Every year,

755
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the contracts get shorter, the guaranteed money gets shorter. The

756
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: Patriots have been doing it this way. You want to

757
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: talk moneyball, you know, analytics like the the Eagles have

758
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: a heavy and influence of analytics in their building and

759
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: they have it's Howie Roseman. Uh. He has a right

760
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: hand man, Alec Hallabee, who's you know, comes from that

761
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: analytics sort of background, and I think I'm just spitballing here,

762
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: but I think these contracts that are short term work

763
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: out really well for both sides. In the NFL. Maybe

764
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: Jeffrey is great and he ends up signing a long

765
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: term deal elsewhere next offseason. I think it's even more

766
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: likely that he's great and he signs a huge extension

767
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. If you look at the Tory Smith contract,

768
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: he only got five thousand guaranteed and it's a series

769
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: of essentially five million dollar options. So that's a very

770
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: team friendly deal. If he's good, you get him at

771
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: a very cheap rate, and you can decided to keep

772
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: him or not every single year. And if he's not good,

773
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: you can cut him in training camp or you cut

774
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: him after one year. A byproduct of this new phenomenon,

775
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about players union and the players railed against

776
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: the franchise tag for years, Well look what's going on now.

777
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Kirk Custins has more leverage than any players ever had

778
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: because of the franchise tag. Al Sean Jeffrey would have

779
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: gotten paid more had the Bears franchise tag. It's a

780
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: good thing to be tagged at certain positions. Now, Yeah,

781
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's true. And and I think this idea

782
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: of like doing the one year thing and going back

783
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: into the market, it can work. Like Chance Warmack is

784
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: a top former top ten pick. He signed a deal

785
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: with almost no guaranteed money in Philadelphia. If he has

786
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: a good season there, maybe he goes back in the market.

787
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: It worked for Nick Perry, who signed a one year

788
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: deal for Green Bay and then signed a fifty million

789
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: dollar deal this year with them. And by the way,

790
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: Alshan Jeffrey suspension in his recent past. I mean, he's

791
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: got injuries. Why not take a year and see what

792
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: you get off of what I love. I love the

793
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: fit because Wentz has a big arm and jeff he's

794
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: one of the best that just going up and getting

795
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: the ball, making his quarterback look good. And I mean

796
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: they needed it, they needed options. That Now that's you know,

797
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: assuming they don't get rid of Jordan Matthews. Uh, that's

798
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: a that's a nice little three man group. West is

799
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: making wild faces over here with um a little bit

800
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: of what I like to call breaking New Sydney. I'm

801
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: putting you on the spot as she's doing some other stuff.

802
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Oh mind. This one is is from ESPN and we'll

803
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: it'll be a tricky thing to report over at NFL

804
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Network because the report is from ESPN Adam Schefter and

805
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: it's the NFL Network draft analysts. Mike Mayock has emerged

806
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: as a candidate to become Washington's general manager. Sources tell Field,

807
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: Yates and Shifter that that's so wow wild. We were

808
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: just saying on the last episode, wonder if more teams

809
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: start to look beyond the typical ring the old boy

810
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: network of the same people, the same old scouts, the

811
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: same old pro personnel guys. Mike Mayock would be a

812
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: fascinating individual to take that job. Mayock met with the

813
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: Raiders long ago, famously met with Al Davis for the

814
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Raiders general manager job. And I am I remembering this right?

815
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: That did Indeed, this is a long time ago. Daniel

816
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Jeremiah uh our guy here met with the Bucks and

817
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles, remember just a year ago, it seems so.

818
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: My biggest Lewis Riddick, met for the forty Niners job.

819
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: And most people believe if Josh McDaniels was willing to

820
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: take that job or it's a little unclear who said

821
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: no to who, but if the forty Niners went with him,

822
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: it would have been McDaniels and Riddick. Here's how the

823
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: sausage has made Mike Mayock is about to get paid

824
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot more by NFL Network. Yes, yes, I will say.

825
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: When I did that, that calling, the piece where I

826
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: talked to color guys, analysts, the whole crew, Mike Mayock

827
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Speaker 1: made it one one thing over clear. If you want

828
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: to if you want to cover football from from what

829
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: he is to, you have to break down film. You

830
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: have to love it more than anything. And people can

831
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: say that. I don't think every role in the NFL

832
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: requires that, but for his it does. But I'll go

833
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: back and listen to that seventeen minutes I talk spoke

834
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: with him, he just literally go back. No, I'm saying,

835
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Speaker 1: if you if I wakes ut like I mean, Mark

836
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: wakes about like one in the morning, I'm already waken

837
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: one in the morning. I told you this. He just

838
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: uses it like it's all he cares about. And I

839
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: think he'd be a fascinating person. I could see have

840
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: that kind of an opportunity. I could see him take it. Actually,

841
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a little worried about the situation

842
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: in Washington, and I know you could get a raise

843
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: from NFL network. And I know we're really diving into

844
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: a strange topic here, but he's lost his NFL TV

845
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: gigs over the last few years. He had a couple, right,

846
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: he had network, and then he was doing Notre Dame. Sorry,

847
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: and one was so one was in college. So he's

848
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: he's a little he's a little less out of the

849
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: limelight and a little maybe then then he loved a

850
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: few years ago. He's just doing the draft and I

851
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: think he loves that. But I don't know is raised.

852
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: You know, you know she she's out of the house,

853
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: good Twitter follow You know so many people around the

854
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: league that it would be the transition would be less

855
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: Rocky West doing the rare uh. I like football too.

856
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I like talking about it. We found to like twenty

857
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: seconds per topic for the Lightning. We can talk a

858
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: little bit of Mike Glennon, but I don't think we

859
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: have to talk too much because we've talked about him

860
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: so much. I like Mike Lennon and I'm sick of

861
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: talking about Mike Lennon. But he did finish off um

862
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: his three year deal with the Bears, as we expected

863
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: that the money was interesting. Three forty five, essentially nineteen

864
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: million guaranteed, which tells me he's probably getting paid a

865
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: lot this year. There's probably a little bit of money

866
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: guaranteed into next year, but they could probably cut him

867
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: after one year with some pain if it was a disaster.

868
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: And it's really more of a two year deal. I

869
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like the contract. I'm not wild about the idea of

870
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: settling for Mike Glennon. When you get rid of Jay Cutler,

871
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I think you should aim higher. But this is not

872
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: brock Ostwaller. I think he has he has more tools,

873
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: he has a much smoother release. He also has he

874
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: went back and watched the look I did. But he

875
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: also has disturbing penchant for throwing balls up for grabs.

876
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: And when you have Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson, that works.

877
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: When you've got Dion Sims and Marcus Wheaton, you're in

878
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: for a world of hurt. I think the Bears are

879
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a very run heavy offense in two thousand seventeen.

880
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: My one takeaway from this, because a lot of dominoes

881
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: have fallen at the quarterback position, was just looking at

882
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: who even might still think about a quarterback in Round one.

883
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: I came up with these teams, the Jets, the Bills,

884
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: and depending what happens with Jimmy Garoppolo, the Browns, maybe

885
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: the Cardinals at the team definitely, and I think the

886
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: Houston Texans if Romo fell through, you go up and

887
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: down the list. There just aren't any other teams, and

888
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: I think half of those would not do it. So

889
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: it's it's like a lot of these quarterbacks may fall

890
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: into Round two that we thought in other years they

891
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: get cycled up. Bears will be looking for a quarterback though,

892
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: but not at number not at number three. No, that's

893
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's second round. That's true. Glennon, I

894
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: think he has a shot. West is putting sandwiches or

895
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: something on the line that he won't be ranked in

896
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: the top sixteen of my QB and next by the

897
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: end of the year. I feel, yeah, I like I

898
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: like Glennon, and I think, like you know, a great

899
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: a great outcome for him would be to be like

900
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: the twentie best quarterback because as someone who I know

901
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: is going to take a beating if he struggles this year.

902
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm not really liking Cameron Meredith. Can you know Kevin

903
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: White and Dion Sims. They signed as a tight end,

904
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: and they signed Marcus Marcus Meen. That stinks, yes, and

905
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard. You know that's It's like, what quarterback is

906
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: coming in there unless they're truly a top ten type

907
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: of guy and really turning that team around. That organization

908
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: has issues from the very top down. Let's move on

909
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: to what looks like a man who is gonna win

910
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: me some high octane sandwiches. Stefen Gilmore, I love you, baby.

911
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Sounds like he is gonna get the most amount of

912
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: guaranteed money in all of free agency, which I'm not

913
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: stunned by. I put sandwiches on it, but I am

914
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: stunned by that he got the money from the Patriots. Uh,

915
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: it's not too often they go at the top of

916
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: the market. They did it for Darrell Reeves. They basically

917
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: did it for a daily as Thomas back in the day.

918
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: Rosie Colvin got a lot of money. But this kind

919
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. Uh, Mark, what do you

920
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: think Stefan Gilmore with the Patriots? Well, the only thing

921
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: that would, if I were you, would counteract your obvious excitement.

922
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: I'm actually have mixed feelings. Well, the mixed feelings would

923
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: come about, whispers that maybe Malcolm Butler is gonna get

924
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: shipped out of town to the Saints. Was it that

925
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: in the Brandon Cooks trade out. I don't really wants

926
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: Gilmore over Malcolm Butler. I mean, it's it's a it's

927
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: an interesting signed by the Patriots, but I I barely

928
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: would want my son Walker over Malcolm Butler. Malcolm Butler

929
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: is amazing. He's your favorite Patriot. He's just why not

930
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: at the greatest play in football history in my mind,

931
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: and then he follows it up with two great seasons.

932
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: An undrafted kid out of West Alabama and and he plays.

933
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: He's such a fun guy to watch. I mean, I

934
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: love watching physical cornerbacks. That just kind of Yeah, he's undersized.

935
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little undersized. You know, he's physical. I'm physical.

936
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: He pushes people around. I pushed people around. I love

937
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: this kid. We had him here in the studio, Malcolm Butler.

938
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't even there that day. I know you're slightly

939
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: impervious to this mark because of the Jamie Collins fallout,

940
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: But how do you resist the temptation to just say,

941
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: if Belichick evaluates this player at that level, who am

942
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: I to question. I'm already thinking he must be one

943
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: of the top five corners in the NFL. I and

944
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's questioning Belichick. I just the

945
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: idea of getting rid of Malcolm Butler, to right is

946
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: but they didn't know. But even if he got rid

947
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: of Butler, when you when you second guess yourself and

948
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: say maybe Butler's a product, well, of course, like I

949
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: now expect Stefon Gilmore to play very well. And oh,

950
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: by the way, if he was a free agent at

951
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: this time last year, you know, he would have been

952
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: the He might have been the number one player on

953
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: her entire list. He had a very impressive first three seasons.

954
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: He did. Some people thought he protected himself a little

955
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: bit of his free agency year. I think the Patriots

956
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: do a better job than anyone maximizing strength. They're not

957
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: gonna put him out there in bad situations like Rex

958
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: Ryan did and just like let him get flamed. He's

959
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, I would be stunned if he didn't

960
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: play well. So I'm excited about that. But what I

961
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: would really be excited about is Stefan Gilmore on one side,

962
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler on the other side, Devin mccordy in the

963
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: back and now you're playing with fire and you're going after. Yeah,

964
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: you're going after. You know, another super Bowl reminds me

965
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about two thousands seventeen. West's circling his face.

966
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: I have some breaking news for you, West. What's the

967
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: I've negotiated fifteen extra minutes for this podcast, so we

968
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: have a little because because we must make this an

969
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: eight five minutes production. How about this for a badly

970
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: needed transition? Was getting on me for, you know, keeping

971
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: the show short, so like the show has been short

972
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: over the last year two I I gave up. Dan

973
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: is going to click into this file and see the

974
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: play length and have an outright heart attack and he'll

975
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: miss the next episode. It's gonna be happy that, you know,

976
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna be happy that we missed him so much.

977
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: How about this for a badly needed transition? There is

978
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: one cornerback to Patriots will not be with next year.

979
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: Who's that? Wow? That'll be Logan Ryan? Thanks? Mark? Uh?

980
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: I mean you could have just gotten and taken there's

981
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: no rule that I have to say all that. Yeah,

982
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't need this start moving

983
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: and here Logan Right. Well, well, now we've gotten through

984
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: the biggest stories. So I was fine, you chew the

985
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: fat a little bit, I think stuff, I'm fine with that.

986
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: And then you crank through the Logan Ryan three year

987
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: deal with the Titans. I mean, why do we really

988
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: have to say about these types? They've long needed a

989
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: slot corner and their GM came from the Belichick school.

990
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: Logan Ryan, he draft, he drafted Logan, I mean he

991
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: was there when they drafted. If he's not the best

992
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: tackling cornerback in the NFL, he's in the conversation how

993
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: many times do you see a cornerback lead a team

994
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: in tackling? And he's done it year after year. And

995
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: it popped in my head and watching the Super Bowl

996
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: on some of those plays early in the game when

997
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: they were getting stops, people forget they've got stops. The

998
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: first two or three Falcons drives and a couple of

999
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: those were because of Logan Ryan's tackling out on the edge. Right.

1000
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: Let me so, let's use our logic from the previous segment.

1001
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: If Belichick doesn't want him, is he just flat out

1002
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: garbage at this point? No, I think he didn't want

1003
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: him for ten million corner. Yeah, he's a he's a

1004
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: guy who who's plays inside, who's been a probably a

1005
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: solid starting cornerback like average and I And maybe that's

1006
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: that's what it costs in free agency. But that's a

1007
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: lot when you can get stuff on Gilmour for only

1008
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: four millions. I think when they leave the building, Belichick

1009
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: like in their sleep and ject them with a serum

1010
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: where he'll never have like a season with more than

1011
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: five productive games. Again. Titans also pick up Jonathan Sippriy

1012
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: and from the Jaguars. He'll start next to Kevin Bayard.

1013
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: I would think it's safety, so they're they're set at safety.

1014
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: They should be, and they still need an outside corner

1015
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: and a very corner heavy draft. But they also were

1016
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: in the market for a wide receiver and didn't get one,

1017
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: So maybe they'll concentrate on Maybe they'll get Brandon Cooking

1018
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: and they have Jason. The Brandon Cook's asking price sounds

1019
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: like it's that the Saints are asking incredible stuff from teams,

1020
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: and I think the Titans are maybe not going to

1021
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: win that one in the end. Yeah, they were. They

1022
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: were in on Alsa on Jeffrey that didn't happen. And

1023
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: and they have Jason mccordy, who I thought they might cut,

1024
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: but they don't. And suddenly that secondary looks pretty good.

1025
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of if they get another cornerback Bayard. Bayard

1026
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: was a nice, nice pick. I mean, this is our

1027
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: lightning round. We are not in the lightning round. And

1028
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: one do they get things about going to these super

1029
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: Bowl you know the super Bowl thing is like now

1030
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: after seeing Logan right like, he's he's like a he's

1031
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: a spitfire. He's kind of a leader amount you know,

1032
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: he's he's the guy that's gonna if the there's the

1033
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: energy is a little bit low. He's got to go

1034
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: around the room pushing some people. You could you could

1035
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: tell he had a lot of respected this I guess

1036
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: goes around the room pushing Their secondary was his fiery

1037
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: I thought it's Denver's the year before. Surprisingly they had

1038
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot to say. Jacksonville, another team in the a

1039
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: f C South, picked up a big piece in their secondary,

1040
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: a J booy A. You know a guy is a

1041
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: tasty free agent signing when every single team in the

1042
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: division is going after him. I mean that to me

1043
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: says something. I mean says something about the Division's UH

1044
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: cornerback Black of cornerbacks five year deal with A. J.

1045
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: Booy a very similar overall money to Gilmore, a little

1046
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: less um it seems like a lot less guarantees for Booyer,

1047
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: where where in the third year he doesn't get but

1048
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: the Jaguars get the deal done with A J. Bowyer.

1049
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: They also did finish that deal for Class Campbell, which

1050
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: I did. We talk about that on the last show.

1051
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: We did not ask so Klais Campbell is going to Jacksonville.

1052
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: He was in our top five free agents overall, and

1053
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: once again, Uh, the Jaguars are making moves. We did

1054
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: talk about Barry Church. That's what I was thinking about.

1055
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: So another like three big time free agents and two

1056
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: of our top ten free agents Booye and Campbell going

1057
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: to that defense. At this time two years ago, send

1058
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: Derrick Marks was the face of the Jaguars defense and

1059
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: they're only above average starter. And now look what they've

1060
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: done since in Calais Campbell, A J. Bouoy A, Barry Church,

1061
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: UH Tayshaun Gibson at safety. They pick up Malik Jackson,

1062
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. Draft Dante Fowler draft go Way was

1063
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: their best pass usher draft Jalen Ramsey, who's an All

1064
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: Pro talent. This this is a transformed defense and it

1065
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprised me if they're one of the top five

1066
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: six defensive in the NFL. They were showing, they were

1067
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: showing signs. They were showing signs at the end of

1068
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: the year exactly Jalen Ramsey was allowed. You know what

1069
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: they should do. They should call up the the the

1070
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: Chargers see if they can trade for Gus Bradley. Bring

1071
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley back as their defensive coordinator. He deserves to

1072
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: coach this team. Wait, didn't they only get good towards

1073
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: the end of the year once he was gone, well

1074
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 1: for defense before. That's fair. I just hope to say

1075
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I know a j b Ai. It's a good seems

1076
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: like a very good player. But it was just a

1077
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. That little altar On Verner was

1078
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: high a top our free agent last and we loved him.

1079
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean something. There's not a huge body of work

1080
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: with him, and you just want to make sure that

1081
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: it's that it's going to be the guy. Yeah, the

1082
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: Texans in the end didn't extend themselves like crazy to

1083
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: sign him, although they were signed That's always a positive

1084
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: sign to me when the team really is trying to

1085
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: bring him back. I mean, they wanted to keep Buyer.

1086
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: They were offering big money, but they didn't have the

1087
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: cash space. They're trying to get Tony Romo. So that's

1088
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: it for Jacksonville. I like what they've done, and I

1089
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: love what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have done. Weirdly, the

1090
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: most underrated signing I think in all the free agency

1091
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: is Deshan Jackson. I don't know how Deshan Jackson is

1092
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: so famous and he's said he's underrated at this point.

1093
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: I love that move for them, and I think he

1094
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: really changes any offense. He joins, this was the perfect

1095
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: landing spot for Deshan Jackson, and I disagree. I think

1096
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: the most underrated signing is is the one on the

1097
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: other side of the ball forcers Chris Baker, who was

1098
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: the only productive defensive lineman for the Redskins the last

1099
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: couple of years and one of the most disruptive unknown

1100
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: defensive lineman in the game. And you also it's like,

1101
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: not only do you have Mike Evans and DeShawn Adam

1102
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: Humphrey's great season last year, Cameron Braid at tight end,

1103
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: you've got weapons and into depending what they end up

1104
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: doing a running back. This is a playoff caliber offense

1105
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: and their defense had great moments last season. I I

1106
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: look at their roster and I see, I think it

1107
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: has a little more problems on defense and the offensive line,

1108
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: and like, I don't think it's until well that's what

1109
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: we need to find out. Until they added these two pieces,

1110
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: which I really like. I looked at the roster, I said, well,

1111
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: this is really no different than the Bucks team, like

1112
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: with Raheem Morris or Shiana or any of those guys,

1113
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: other than you have Jamis Winston and Mike Evans, which

1114
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: is a monster. Other than I mean, you have the quarterback.

1115
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: That's huge. But I don't think it's like I'm just

1116
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: not penciling them in, even though I liked them a lot.

1117
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: But now this offense and who's I'm loving it for James.

1118
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: I think who's the running back? The draft should be hard,

1119
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: incredible running back group and maybe you go there, maybe

1120
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: you know what it costs you a lot less than

1121
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: you know going out and getting someone who's six seven

1122
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: years older that the numbers of Deshan Jackson. I put

1123
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: this into my Daily Debrief, which I've been writing in

1124
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: Free Agency NFL dot Com slash Debrief. Uh, the numbers weren't.

1125
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Warren Sharp on Twitter put them up of Kirk Cousins

1126
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: throwing deep to Deshan Jackson and Kirk Cousins basically throwing

1127
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: deep to anyone else. It's like Deshan Jackson as quarterbacks

1128
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: good vertical throwers, not the other way around. He did

1129
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: it for Nick Foles, he helped out Michael Vick's late

1130
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: career renaissance. I mean, that's what Deshan Jackson can do.

1131
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: And now he's he's just gonna see single cover. I mean,

1132
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you have to account for. But

1133
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: now you're opposite Mike Evans. It's like that's a problem.

1134
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem for defense. Is that? What else?

1135
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: Did those numbers tell you what Kirk Cousins without Deshan

1136
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Jackson and pure Garson. Yeah, with a often banged up

1137
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Reed is not worth what the Redskins will pay

1138
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: him or what they will Well, that's that's maybe why,

1139
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: that's maybe why the Redskins should just trade him now,

1140
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 1: like before there's any chance of his value going down.

1141
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: I think you get a ransom for the forty niners.

1142
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: They're not worried about spending that, you know, they're not

1143
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: worried about I think they would give a boatload for

1144
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: him just trading. Well, maybe Mike, Mike Mayock gets in

1145
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: there and solves this. I like that. Uh, let's move

1146
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: on to uh, let's stay on this issue. Let's talk

1147
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: about this for another three fourth little tackle talk. You

1148
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: didn't think tackle talk was coming back that it felt

1149
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: like it was. You didn't think tackles always around the

1150
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: course coming back. People Really not a big response to

1151
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: tackle talk, no sponsor, no song, was there any response

1152
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: at all. Sydney doesn't even pay attention when we get

1153
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: to tackle talk. Sydney checked out, Like Sydney doesn't happen seconds.

1154
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Dan involves me in the show where yeah, yeah, yeah, listen,

1155
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: I have been negotiating extra time for us. Yeah. I've

1156
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: been talking to shadowy league figures. It's a lot going

1157
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: on back here. Alright, fine, job, tackle talk. The craziest

1158
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: contracts in all of free agency were at tackle Matt

1159
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: Khalil getting twenty five million guaranteed, getting more than ten

1160
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Russell Okum getting a very similar deal,

1161
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: not as much guarantees in his contract, but from the

1162
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. Riley Reef. We haven't seen the money,

1163
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: but I bet it's huge from Minnesota. What do you

1164
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: gotta do at tackle to not get a lot of money,

1165
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: Because Matt Khalio was a board her line disaster when

1166
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: he played, and then he missed all of last season

1167
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: with hip surgery, and he got this kind of money.

1168
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: You'd have to be hit by a car probably. I mean,

1169
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: it's so hard to find. Good tackles are getting paid

1170
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: like crazy people. So well, Dave Gettlman has the benefit

1171
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: of all my doubts on the offensive line. They they

1172
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: signed Michael Or and turned him into a passable left tackle.

1173
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Matt Khalil is better than Michael Or I think. And look,

1174
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: you can't disconcount discount effect that they just wanted to

1175
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: recreate stepbrothers on our offensive line with Ryan Khalil and

1176
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Met Khalil. I mean, that's cute. I hope it works.

1177
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: But they've got excellent offensive line coaches in Carolina and

1178
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: they they turned careers around. It's true, it's often the

1179
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: system and flipping that around like whatever is going on

1180
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. They clearly do not know how to coach

1181
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Why not make an offensive line out of

1182
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: the you know, two thousand Westley brothers. You guys, when

1183
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: I've been around you, you don't always get along, you know,

1184
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: and having the brother in the locker room can be

1185
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: very good. You've got six that are available right swing tackle.

1186
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: A couple of us are stocky. Well, I don't think

1187
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: the tall, thin ones are gonna work out well in

1188
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: the offense. Why not. They're tackles. They're at tackles. They

1189
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: can beef up, you know how the offensive lineman once

1190
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: they retire and the power set right there. The one

1191
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: who can have younger than me is six four if

1192
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: West go. If West was an NFL player, he's not

1193
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna like this, but he would definitely be a right guard.

1194
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: I could see him. That is some boat. I can

1195
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: see him as a center. Okay, it's about me. What

1196
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: position would you be, Greg? I don't know. Gunner, I

1197
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: would try. I mean, what's you know? You can't really,

1198
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: I guess kicker. You can't be as small and be

1199
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But gunners, they're not on the field

1200
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: of time. They just gotta be a little bit of

1201
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: crazy special team er. I think I could handle the

1202
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: pounding for a few plays, probably tackle No, I'd be

1203
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: like a little third down running back that like a

1204
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: noised teams Chargers, Chargers and Vikings still have more work

1205
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: to do, by the way, Russell Kung, who is okay

1206
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: in Denver? They they they cut d J. Fluker. Uh.

1207
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: They've got spots all up and down their offensive line

1208
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: that they need to fix, and they've really Tom tole

1209
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: Us goes no show no ability to do it. Overrated RUSSELLO.

1210
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: Kung the left tackle, Underrated Russell Okung, the agent who

1211
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: just got himself twenty five million guaranteed. There is Mike

1212
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: Cliss from Denver tweeted that industry sources believe the Chargers

1213
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: may have tampered with Okung, so more to come on that.

1214
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that work, Yeah, but you're not allowed to talk

1215
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: to him before the four. Yeah that they were Maybe

1216
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: they were wis Oh the thing is, you know that's

1217
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy. If you're Okung Gregg, it's all. It

1218
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: would be only Okung from that. Well, I'm just saying,

1219
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: sneaky loser in free agency. By the way, the Vikings

1220
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: didn't get Alice on Jeffrey like they wanted, haven't really

1221
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: done a lot of exciting and then they're they're desperate

1222
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: at tackle. So what do they do. They they signed

1223
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: the guy Riley Reef, who their division rivals, the Lions,

1224
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: were all too happy to replace with old Ricks. There

1225
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: the Ricky Wagner. Let's move on to more offensive line

1226
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: talk quickly. The Saints signed Larry Warford. I don't know

1227
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: how this really even. We could that could have been

1228
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: an eight o'clock to light. We don't need to Evans potentially, Yeah,

1229
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, we don't need to. He got a lot

1230
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: of money for you know, a solid run blocking type

1231
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: of thing. Let's always have a pretty good offensive line.

1232
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: They always they always like these big run first offensive lineman.

1233
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: A little shorter Warford, good signing. You know, fine, they

1234
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: gotta keep moving the Browns. On the other hand, it's

1235
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: crazy because the Jimmy g and Brock stuff got all

1236
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: the attention, and yet their offensive line overhaul is going

1237
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: to have a much bigger impact on their two thousand

1238
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 1: seventeen season than any Brock Oswald trade. I love number

1239
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: one that they believe in Joel Patonia, who when he's

1240
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: healthy he's had some derby five years fifty one million.

1241
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: That's a good extension for them. He's been one of

1242
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: the one of the few draft picks that have that

1243
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: have really out outdone his draft stock. Kevin Zeisler is

1244
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: a I don't care what them. I don't care about

1245
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: the money at this point. Honestly, Kevin Zeisler was the

1246
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: number one guard in this class and he absolutely helps them.

1247
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: And you don't have to deal with the cam Ervan

1248
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: experiment at center, which was a failed experiment. You get J. C. Treader,

1249
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: who also has had some durability issues. But if up

1250
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: and down he's the center from Green Bay was pretty

1251
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: good as a starter there. You look at the line

1252
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: up and down, they have to figure out who the

1253
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: right tackle is. But it is a that is a

1254
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: huge jackson that can make a huge jackson offense go.

1255
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: He wants to run the ball, they can do that.

1256
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: It seems safe if you if you're gonna give someone

1257
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of money, I guess Zeisler is not exciting,

1258
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: but exciting. There's there's very little chance. I think that

1259
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: that's just like a bust. You steal him, you steal

1260
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: him from the Bengals. Yet last last time this happened,

1261
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: Eric Steinbuck was a bust for the Browns after stealing

1262
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: him from the Ben. I wouldn't say it was he

1263
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: was he was solid. He was there with little steinback talk.

1264
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: He was older. He was older, little steinback talk. Yeah.

1265
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Bengals and you're a fan

1266
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: of the Bengals, you're pissed. You can't be happy. Well,

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01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: let's let's look at where this team was at the

1268
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: end of two thousand fifteen. Bill Poullian said they had

1269
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: the strongest roster in the league. John Harball said they

1270
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: were the most talented team in the NFL. And then

1271
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: that playoff loss to the Steelers happened, And look at

1272
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: the team at that point. They had arguably the best

1273
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: running best backfield in the NFL, best wide receiver cord

1274
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL with Marvin Jones and Mohammed Sanu and

1275
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: aj Green, one of the best tight ends in the NFL,

1276
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. Go

1277
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: to the other side of the ball. A great secondary

1278
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: deep at cornerback and safety, pretty good defensive line, pretty

1279
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: good line, but they're worse than almost every single area.

1280
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: An offensive line that was top two or three is

1281
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: now bottom five. They don't they have nothing to replace

1282
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Whitworth and Zeitler. The backfield has questioned coming they're starting

1283
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: a boy a at left tackle. That's the disaster. He

1284
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: was terrible at right tack. They're good. It sounds like

1285
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: they are a candidate to draft the running back in

1286
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: the first round. You also had a string of coordinators,

1287
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: three of them that left to become head coaches. You're

1288
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL until

1289
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: you have a window in the playoffs. You have a window,

1290
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: and this is why I love what the Texans are

1291
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: doing by embracing the notion that you need a quarterback

1292
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: because they are loaded with talent on both sides of

1293
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: the ball. This is your window. It is fleeting, as

1294
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals show you. The Bengals are not a playoff

1295
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: roster right now. I think losing Whitworth, but he's playing

1296
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: great and at some point you have guys that are

1297
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: your guys, and by all accounts, he was like the

1298
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: leader in that offensive line and really the in in

1299
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: that team. Started the third most amount of games and

1300
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: team history and playing at a high level. And when

1301
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: you lose guys like that who want basically want to stay.

1302
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: I think like if they had offered him just a

1303
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: little guaranteed money into a second I don't know as

1304
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: a fan, that's a bummer. They made it awfully hard

1305
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: for Whitworth to want to stay because he did want

1306
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: to write as a fan. Too bad. How about another

1307
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: team from Ohio gets a chance? Yeah, there, they don't

1308
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: live in Cleveland. Not a good Andy Dalton could be

1309
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: a loser. Well, no, they gave up only six teams

1310
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: gave up more sacks than them last year, and now

1311
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: you've gone and you've gotten rid of the two good

1312
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: parts of the line. Uh. Finally, before we get to

1313
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, please more items. The forty Niners have just

1314
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: spent an incredible amount of money, and so I just

1315
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: thought that should be noted. I mean, they gave the

1316
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: worst contract I think in all of free agency. Was

1317
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: the monster deal for Malcolm Smith, who was essentially a

1318
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: bust in Oakland on a two year, seven million dollar contract.

1319
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: So he got like a three percent raise in San

1320
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: Francisco to get below average starting play at that Texans

1321
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: Raiders game. I remember thinking, but the one my biggest

1322
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: takeaway watching that game live, was, Oh, their entire game

1323
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: plan is go after Malcolm Smith like he can't stop

1324
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: c J. Fedora Witz and Ryan Griffin like that is

1325
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: all they did was pick on Malcolm Smith, who was

1326
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: one of the worst coverage linebackers. So I didn't understand that,

1327
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: and they just like that Garson move we talked about.

1328
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: I think it's good, but it's just a lot of money.

1329
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: They were a little too eager to pay more money

1330
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: than necessary. Like, Kyle used check is gonna make more

1331
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: money probably than any running back in this entire class.

1332
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: He's a fullback. Kyle used check. Look, Kyle Shanahan loves fullbacks.

1333
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: He uses them. They're very important to his offense. So

1334
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: let's get that out of the way. Early use check

1335
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: is gonna get more than ten million guarantee. No fullback

1336
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: in history has gotten more than two point three million gas, right,

1337
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: So that's like why he have to see him as

1338
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: much more than a no. I get it, but it

1339
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: just shows it's like bad negotiating, Like there if there's

1340
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: no other market, Okay, make him to give him five guarantee.

1341
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: That's double what's ever been before. Well, he might be

1342
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: the most versatile fullback. He's got some h back to him,

1343
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: He's got some running back to him. But if he's

1344
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: your lee blocker, what was what was so great about

1345
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens running game. Nothing. If he's such a great

1346
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: pass catcher, wouldn't he have a better first down rate

1347
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: than other fullbacks? He doesn't so beautiful drive to almost

1348
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: beat the Steelers. That's and one of the best games

1349
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: of the year is is this a John Lynch shoe.

1350
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder who it boils down to be.

1351
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: I think he's getting the players that Kyle Shanahan wants.

1352
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, the agents are maybe winning some of the

1353
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: battles once they kind of decided who they want. It's like,

1354
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: and you probably don't need to get Logan Paulson in

1355
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: the building on day one. Maybe wait a few days.

1356
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: It's another team with a lot of money to spend two.

1357
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: It's true. It reminds it's not the same thing as

1358
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: the Raiders when they were overpaying aging talent, because this

1359
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily aging talent. But it's get guys in here.

1360
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: Whatever was here was stale and older. We're getting new

1361
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: people in all right. And before we get to eight

1362
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: o'clock to light. We have a little bit of breaking news.

1363
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: Nflprs releasing a statement about Mike Mayock. Double Mike Mayock

1364
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: breaking news that he has never had any contact with

1365
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins. Fascinating. Uh, I think that's interesting. How

1366
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: are you guys not into the make Mayok? No? I

1367
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: like it. I just didn't. But by the way, reading

1368
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: between the lines, yeah, okay, you didn't have any contact

1369
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: with the Redskins. Maybe your agent did so that I

1370
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to have it. You went double breaking

1371
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: for Mayok, but you ignored Lawrence Timmins to the Dolphins. Well,

1372
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna throw it into it, said, we're gonna

1373
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: get Dan back in the studio at some point here

1374
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: he's he's essentially had a full night sleep at this point.

1375
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: Per ESPN, Dolphins signing Lawrence Timmins to two year, twelve

1376
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: million dollar deal including eleven million and guarantee. Wow, it's

1377
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: a little much for Lawrence Timmins. I would not want

1378
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 1: to sign somebody away from the Steelers defense and aging.

1379
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: I think you lose in free agency by signing like

1380
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: other aging slow linebackers. That's like what the Saints love doing. Hey,

1381
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: let's get the middle linebacker like man Titea, who who's

1382
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: supposedly visiting that no one else really wants. Well, while

1383
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: we're on the Dolphins, you also, I mean, wait a second,

1384
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: we have more Dolphins breaking news. This isn't breaking. I

1385
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: got breaking news. Jordan Cameron has announced his intention to retire,

1386
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: so he'll have played his last down. I don't know

1387
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: if that was breaking news with the Miami Dolphins, but

1388
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: we were here. I thought, go triple breaking news. It's

1389
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: never been done before. Andre Branch, three years, nine million,

1390
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: a year and a half after you refused to give

1391
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: a lady of the a vernon that money. Seems a

1392
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: little weird to me, but the Dolphins do weird things.

1393
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: They have to be in the news cycle. It seems

1394
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: all right. And actually I lied. This wasn't you know this.

1395
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: We're moving into the eight o'clock Delight portion of the program,

1396
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: but first we're gonna listen to the first guy will

1397
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: hear from when we talk about eight o'clock Delight, William Hayes,

1398
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: who was traded got traded today. Uh, staple and a

1399
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: couple to give a shout out and uh and uh

1400
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: and cranky man forgave me the opportunity to play here

1401
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: and Gret Williams too, But damn my coffee cup now

1402
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: in a moment, that's the Rams version of analytics. Basically,

1403
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: he got traded to UH Miami for a move down

1404
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: and from the sixth he shouldn't be complaining because he

1405
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: keeps his little contract and that might be better than

1406
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: he would have done. Anyways, Yeah, I think he's just

1407
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: not a fit for Waite Phillips three four defense, Like

1408
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: like Williams, all right, let's do a little eight o'clock

1409
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: to LFE Ravens. Agree with Brandon Williams. How did this

1410
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: get into eight o'clock to light on a fifty four

1411
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, highest paid nose tackle in the league.

1412
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: They're also really releasing lart Darius web Mark. I love

1413
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: the Ravens freecy period. You get Tony Jefferson, you also

1414
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: keep Brandon Williams, someone that would have been a big

1415
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: guy to lose. Nice job, Baltimore. They always get it done.

1416
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: More guy, top five, don't be a nose tackle, top

1417
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: five guy in our top one oh one list, and

1418
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: he gets stuck in eight o'clock to light. Julius Peppers

1419
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: also can be angry He's a future Hall of Famer.

1420
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: He's returning to Carolina at Chris Westley going back home.

1421
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: He grew up in Carolina, was a two sports star

1422
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: at North Carolina University and started his career. Had an

1423
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: NFC Defensive Player of the Year in two thousand. More

1424
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: with Carolina, they might have the deepest front seven in

1425
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: the NFL. You've got Mario Addison and Cony Eally coming

1426
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: off the bench. They are getting aggressive this offseason. I

1427
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: don't think Dave Gettelman liked being seven and nine. Rashad Jones,

1428
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: this one was under the radar. Signed a five year

1429
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: extension to stay with the Miami Dolphins, Mark arguably one

1430
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: of the best bus safety in football. I mean, I

1431
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: don't know. It seems like a no brainer resigning to

1432
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,480
Speaker 1: make Miami hasn't been too crazy active. Good job restraint, Tannenbaum,

1433
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: although you gave a little too much to Timids Mike

1434
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: Hyde signing with the Bills, who also picked up, you know,

1435
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: a couple of fullbacks on day one, one of the

1436
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: most versatile defensive backs in the NFL. Good good pick

1437
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: up for the Bills. The Detroit Lions. Let's run it

1438
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: back one more time. Released. DeAndre Levy just signed a

1439
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: big time extent and a few years ago and then

1440
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy, had any issues turns thirty. Yeah, I

1441
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: mean Lions, are you know, spending some money. They're getting

1442
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: rid of some money. Saints bringing back Nick Fairly, the

1443
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: only man to eat himself out of New Orleans and

1444
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: into a bigger contract. He had gained weight in New

1445
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: Orleans like everyone does. Gets a thirty million dollar deal. Yeah,

1446
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: he's coming off the best scene in the season of

1447
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: his career. I think the Saints also added some slow linebackers.

1448
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that defense is going to I'm

1449
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: not I'm not sure you want Fairly on a long term,

1450
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar deal. I think you like him when

1451
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: he's on the one year hungry deal. In the middle

1452
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: of the night, right before that Garoppolo news, he had

1453
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: read an article about the fact that Fairly got into

1454
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: some sort of public war of words with the beloved

1455
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 1: R and B group Jagged Edge during some public festival.

1456
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: You don't want a message. Now, he's a headcase. I

1457
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: would have taken Jagged Edge for like a hard rock group.

1458
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm more of an h town. And finally, Broncos adding

1459
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: ex Cowboys guard Ronald Leary only uh move Broncos are

1460
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: really made. Yeah, so your tackles were swinging gates last

1461
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: year and you fixed guard. I don't know how that's

1462
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: gonna work. That's it. See I shouldn't screaming. It's gonna

1463
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: be terrible for people's We missed Dan Hansas before we

1464
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: leave the news portion of the show. That's the whole portion.

1465
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: There's no more. But I just I've come back to

1466
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: us Dan Hansas. I believe the Ostwaller trade is a

1467
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: nail in the coffee. Look, Dan was doing this all

1468
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: for a bit, or to teach a lesson to handsome Hank.

1469
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: But it's a nail in the coffin to anyone who

1470
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: used the logic that brock Ostwater led the Texans to playoffs.

1471
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: They gave away a second round pick, they invented a

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Speaker 1: move to get rid of that. By that you claim

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Speaker 1: led them to the play To bring that up when

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Speaker 1: he's back in the room, baby, yeah the uh. I

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Speaker 1: don't even blame damn. I blame all the thousands of

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Speaker 1: Twitter followers that came at me and took Dan's side

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Speaker 1: because they lack any semblance of logic. Dan will listen

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Speaker 1: to this and he will come in and declare utter

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Speaker 1: vengeance on you. Good job. I hope you enjoy your

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Speaker 1: Vaca weekend. Well it is something. At least brockt the

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Speaker 1: the era has something, because now whenever players get dumped

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Speaker 1: for salary, he got bracked. He got that means you

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Speaker 1: got bracked. I can't believe. I can't believe we got

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Speaker 1: through this in time. Um. Of course, you know, we

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Speaker 1: mentioned him so much you would think he was even here.

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Speaker 1: That's how much we missed Dan. Unfortunate. Uh, he couldn't

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Speaker 1: be you know, with us. So we're we're thinking about him.

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Speaker 1: And Uh, the good news is this train rolls on.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on felt like a session of Congress

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Speaker 1: that it was long, very enjoyable. But I mean, how

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Speaker 1: old am I now? What's happened to him? What's going on? Uh?

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Speaker 1: We will be back on Monday, and we'll also be

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Speaker 1: on up to the minute lives getting married this we Monday,

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Speaker 1: can't be there, gotta be working tomorrow. David Colton just

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Speaker 1: he's he's a he's just getting back from the combine.

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Speaker 1: It's on you, David, really, Uh, Monday Wednesday, and we

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Speaker 1: will have a third show next week. Not sure if

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Thursday or Friday, but until then, everyone

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Speaker 1: enjoy their weekend. Everybody for Mark Seessler, Chris Wesley, One

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Speaker 1: more Ning and this I'm Greg ros It though, Let's

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Speaker 1: see you next week. M h.