1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: never told you protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: another edition of Feminist book Club. But before we start, 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: I just realized, Annie, are you wearing a Lama shirt? 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Is that a Lama Mama sweatshirt? Like I just Twitter, 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you in our screen. I'm realizing you're 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: there's an animal, is it? Okay? I want you to know, Listeners. 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: I'm staring at her Lama sweater very hard right now 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: because I'm just real Ama sweater. I bought it in Peru. 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: It is the warmest sweater I have, and people compliment 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: me on this. It is the goofiest looking fuzzy sweater. Listeners, 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: it is very goofy, but people compliment me on this 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: all the time. Nice Twitter. Like the way the angle is. 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: I almost thought it was a poncho, which is why 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: I started staring closer, and I was like, there's something. 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: There's a square on its back. I'm just trying to 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: figure out what all it is. It's kinda there's a 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of things happening, Okay, alright, alright, listeners, I hope 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you have a picture of what and he's wearing because 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: I am definitely not as cute as she is right now. 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: But I'm like, she's got a lama sweater on. But anyway, 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with this, but I just 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: had to I just had to bring this up, all right. 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, so we are doing a little something different 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: for our Feminist book Club because you know, we'd like 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: to switch it up, you know, Um and I decided 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: we would do a whole play instead instead of just 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: a book. But we should tell you it is a 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: very short play. So if you are seeking to do 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: a Native or indigenous play and you just wanted to, 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of a one act. It's not a complete 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: one act, but it could be. Again, it's about like 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: what sixty pages long? Yeah? Yeah? And on the act 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: did you notice that they have a recipe? Yes, I 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: want to make this recipe. I feel like I'm building 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: up this play, but I want to I want to 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: try this recipe. By the way, also, before we start, 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: any did you do place? Have you done place? I 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: know you've acted and you've been in movies. Have you 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: been in place? I have? I have? And actually, if 41 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: you know, we had longer, I have a lot of stories. 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: I have I have not. I was in drama in 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: high school, which I know we've talked about, and I 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: acted in a few plays. Then I was not great. 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: I was very shy and I couldn't project my voice 46 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: very well. Um. And it was the type of thing 47 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: where you can tell someone's nervous, so it makes you nervous, 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, like not comfortable watching them because you can 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: tell they're so uncomfortable and nervous. And then when I 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: started to pursue acting, like more seriously, when I got 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: older and out of high school and college, I took 52 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: classes that would culminate in plays and I've done I 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: did some that would really really jerk. And then my 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: drama teacher was like, I know, with the challenge for you, 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: and he gave me a role and I had to 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: have a Brooklyn accent and it was a comedy and 57 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: I was like, you monster. You know, I'm scared of 58 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: comedy in accents, and he was like, here we go. 59 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: I actually excelled at comedy. So yeah, we talked about drama. 60 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I did drama in high school. That's the only time 61 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: I kind of I really missed it. Um. But I'm 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: also very lazy and don't like to memorize lines. This 63 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: is where I'm like, I know, I couldn't do well 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: because I would flub all of my auditions because I 65 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't memorize it. I was a great actor, better at memorizing. 66 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: But I am a part of the Thespian society. Yo, 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: who's with me? Who's because my first play I was 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: a stage manager and that is so much work. She 69 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: just really thought my teacher Ms. Miller shout out r 70 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: I P. She was an amazing teacher, my favorite teacher. 71 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: She was like, you're so organized and detail. Let me 72 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: put you as a stage manager. Having no experience in theater. 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: That was my first play, and I was like, what 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: is happening? And it happened to be a competition play. 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: I think we actually scored third on that one though, 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, so it was rough. It was rough, but 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: I was in Noises Off and that was probably one 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: of my favorite players to do. And it's really complicated 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: with a lot of like meta types of things. Um, 80 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: and my character was quite funny, I thought, and then 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: even to the point that people complimented me and said, 82 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, it was at this moment that saw you 83 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: get into your character. You became that character, and I 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: was like what. I was a little confused because I 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: was like, oh, if you say so, sure, Um, but 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I loved it. Shout out to all my drama people 87 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: from my high school, Filmore High School. You know who 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: you are. They don't listen to this. Why am I 89 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: saying this? Um? Shout out to my niece. She's my 90 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: youngest niece who is a part of that same theater program, 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: and she's working on trying to get into the Thespian 92 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: Society as well. Very proud of her. So yes, not 93 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: to get myself airs, oh you should, but I do 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: have my name on the plaque in my high school. 95 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: No one else knows there you go. But you know, 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: I love plays. I love the setups. I love reading 97 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: the books and reading the place because it felt like 98 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: real life. It made more sense to me sometimes than 99 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: books do with all the descriptures, because it kind of 100 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: gives you direction and then you you fill it into 101 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: it yourself. And and I love that build up, which 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: is a great thing to this play. And I won't lie. 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: So y'all, we are doing a short play called Salt Baby, 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: which was written by Phelan Johnson, who is a part 105 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: of the Mohawk and Tuscarora from Six Nations, Grand River Territory, 106 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful play. But it kind of felt 107 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: like like if I was to write a play, I 108 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: feel like it would be similar to this, you know 109 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'mre gonna talk about themes about it 110 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: at all, but just like her expressions and her her 111 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: immediate like reactions to things and the defensiveness was like, yeah, okay, 112 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: that's too real. This is too real. But I really 113 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: loved this whole aspect, and it felt really nice to 114 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: read it in this format because it's been so long, 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: and I do again, I miss that kind of uh 116 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: read throughs mm hmmm, I miss it? Do you miss it? 117 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: I do miss it? I do. I think it was 118 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: something that really I actually feel this way about podcasting too, 119 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: though performance in general. Anytime I would read a play, 120 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: I've had so much stress about it and I'd be 121 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: so worried about it, but then when I would do it, 122 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: I'd be like, I love this thought. Yes, yes, I 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: don't feel that way about podcasting because I can't hide 124 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: behind a character. I really wish we could. We need 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: to try that sometime. Let's be completely let's press find 126 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: each other. Oh no, ter, oh my god. But yeah, 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: so we are doing a play today again. It is 128 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: by Phelan Johnson UM who was from the Six Stations 129 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: Grand River Territory believe in Canada, but you know, territories 130 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: are a little different. And as we talked about what 131 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: she has done in this play, yes, she explores her identity, 132 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: how as a white presenting First Nations woman, she tries 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: to dig deeper into her family history and her connection 134 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: to her heritage. And it is it is a beautiful 135 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: till it is. Um. It's also funny. Yes, it's very 136 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: very funny. I think it's spot on with a lot 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: of uh when you're that age, which was like young 138 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: college age, kind of the the dialogue that you have. UM, 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I thought nailed it. There were certain it was great 140 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: in describing things and painting pictures, and there were certain 141 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: parts where it's like I wish I could have seen 142 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: this play because I could tell like, I bet that's 143 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: a really cool, simple but really cool visual cue. Right, So, 144 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: if any listeners have seen it, it's been staged a 145 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: few times. I did get to see a couple of 146 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: clips by one school that performed it, and it was 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: super interesting to see. Yeah, yeah, And like we said, 148 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: it's really short, so this one's gonna be probably a 149 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: shorter episode, but there is a lot of ground covered 150 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: um in it for sure. So Johnson studied at George 151 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Brown Theater School and it has been in the theater 152 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: world for a while with several plays and protections under 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: her name. When she was interviewed about her play Salt Baby, 154 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: she said, storytelling is storytelling. It's part of us. Six 155 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: Nations for instance, has a long history of pageant theater, right, 156 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: And this was in reference to like them talking about 157 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: theater versus storytelling and what this looked like, and then 158 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: kind of a European standard of theater as she's like, well, 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: we've been around a lot longer, and of course they have, 160 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: right exactly. And when she was asked about why she 161 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: wrote Salt Baby, she said, I couldn't afford therapy. It's 162 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: not it's just me that I wrote it. I'm grateful 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: to my younger self. It's harsh in some ways when 164 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: you're at twenty you have stuff to process. I'm thinking' 165 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: more over my now, But it's strange looking back and 166 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: seeing herself and I totally totally agree it is when 167 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: you go back and read something, which is kind of 168 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: what we're doing on spenty fiction, but like when you 169 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: it's such a snapshot of what you were going through 170 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: at the time and you don't realize it maybe or 171 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: you didn't know how to deal with it back then, 172 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, I didn't. I wasn't dealing with 173 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: this correctly. I didn't. I was trying to work my 174 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: way through this. It is really interesting and this this play, 175 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: you can feel it like you can feel how honest 176 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: it is um. And like I said, from that time 177 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: of her life, right, I'm not gonna lie again. I 178 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: really wish I could get it back into my zanga 179 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: site so I can see my own to cement this 180 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: so desperately. All right, so let's get into the play. 181 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: We're introduced to Salt Baby, an alligator, a white boy 182 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: um on their first date, and it goes as expected, 183 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: a white boy asking a native person and about her 184 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: history for a lesson in the Mohawk language and awkwardly 185 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: joking about being just white. Of course we're going to 186 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: dig they burn into that in a bed, but I've 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: definitely been there, been there, um not native, being Korean. 188 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: We cut to seeing her grandfather during the state in 189 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: the background, so it's like kind of like the ancestral 190 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: voice talking, uh, talking to her and sometimes with her, 191 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: so they're kind of say the same thing. He continues 192 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: to be a background voice again in an ancestral voice 193 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that comes back, yeah, which is one of the things 194 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: I was talking to you about when I'm saying, like, 195 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: I bet visually this is really interesting and like vocally 196 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's very clear and very interesting. So 197 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: we later meet her father, who still lives on the 198 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: reservation and is an avid hunter, a proud Native man. 199 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Their relationship is loving and nurturing, but still a bit tense, 200 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: as her looking deeper into her own DNA and identity 201 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: makes him uncomfortable. UM. Later we see that her an 202 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Alligator have moved forward in their relationship, and a part 203 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: of their relationship is conversation of him not understanding her 204 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: crisis and identity. UM. She soon decides to seek out 205 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: more information on her ancestry and her own genetic makeup. 206 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: She's always said that she was three fours or over 207 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: half Native, but her physical appearance, which is white presenting, 208 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: makes her wonder about that UM, and we see Salt 209 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Baby continuing her journey through meditation, a psychic, and finally 210 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: an actual DNA test. I don't think we actually ever 211 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: get results though. Um. Throughout this time she's struggling in 212 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: her relationship with Alligator and how she wants to make 213 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: sure that she can hold onto her native identity and 214 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: again it passed it on to her children. Also, he's 215 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: very wide so making problematic comments and a little bit 216 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: of micro aggression towards her as well. Um, And here 217 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: we see some awkward interactions with the partner's parents. It's 218 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,359 Speaker 1: really yeah, we have drunkenness and fighting and again uncomfortable 219 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: micro aggressions from the white parents, which is like who 220 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: wants to be around a couple of fighting um, and 221 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: then the macho nous from the Salt Baby's father literally 222 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: comes out with bloody hands from cutting up a d are. 223 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, interesting and interesting reactions. Unfortunately, they 224 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: soon break up and she tries to dig more into 225 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: her native traditions. They talk about different things and on 226 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: dates with native men. One specific date doesn't go so well. Oh, 227 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: she runs into the white boyfriend, has a conversation with 228 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: her and the grandfather, the ancestral grandfather talking about Oh 229 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: he wasn't that bad, was he? The end? Yeah, yeah, 230 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: and I think that's she has. That's when she talks 231 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: with her father about which, by the way, the white 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: boyfriend alligator, I stole her father's toothbrush, yes, so she 233 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: could get DNA from it from the test, and and 234 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: then and end she decides not to go through with 235 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 1: the DNA test because her father she just realized it's like, oh, no, 236 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: you've told me this, You've told me this stories and 237 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: he tells her the story of why she's called salt baby. 238 00:12:54,520 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: And so it does have a lot of awkward social 239 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: interactions in it, right, I think, Um, again, there's still 240 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: several things to this. Again she does finally, the father 241 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: does finally relent and this is something you need, I'm 242 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: here for you whatever whatnot. We know that the mother 243 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: is not present. She left, and she says that she 244 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: went on to be more white. Um. So it was 245 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: very interesting conversation. Yeah, And again this is part of 246 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: her like identity crisis and trying to figure this out, 247 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: but still very uh serious about clinging to her ancestry 248 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: and her and her native background, which was really interesting. Again, 249 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: if you have time it's literally like a fatherly what 250 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: a thirty minute read if that? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, 251 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: it's it's quick. It's kind of hard to get a 252 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: hold of. We had a bit of a trouble finding 253 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: it tracking it down, but we did it. We did it. 254 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: It was important that we read this because it was like, 255 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: this is something that's interesting, and yeah, so there are 256 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: there are some themes, uh, And of course we want 257 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: to get into that and have a little bit of 258 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: discussion because as much of her the play it is, 259 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: it is a conversation about her going through a lot 260 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: of changes to where she is today, when she has 261 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: talked about how she is happy who she is and 262 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: learned so much, but it took a while to get there. Um. 263 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: And of course one of the big things identity. She's 264 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: trying to seek who she is and is she truly 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: a native and how much of a native? Because that 266 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: was a conversation that's Ben had and we'll talk about 267 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: that in a minute. But but you know, just on 268 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: a personal note, of course, you know, I know this 269 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: feeling of trying to figure myself out, being told I 270 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: act more white has recently been a problem to me, 271 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: as when I was younger that's where I wanted to 272 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: identify as because that seemed like the better choice, you know, 273 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: in the world. UM, and then realizing, oh no, I'm 274 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: losing everything about myself. I've lost so much. There's part 275 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: of my identity that's been cut from me coming to 276 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: this trying to figure out what this looks like. And 277 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: for her, her conversation was being white presenting UM, even 278 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: to the point that the boyfriend actually says, don't you 279 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't you rather have that? Isn't that better to seem 280 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: like you're white and you can choose to be that? 281 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh yeah, it was gross. I 282 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: mean a lot of their conversations were pretty pretty gross 283 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: and like. And she describes that sense of unblogging and 284 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: having this like panic around it of like what if 285 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: I discover if I take this DNA test and I 286 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: discover something, um, And you know, she goes to the 287 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: psychic and she goes to she does all these things 288 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: that we talked about because she's like trying to find 289 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: her identity and trying to find meaning and she's very 290 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: like got a lot of tension around it. UM. And 291 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: it opens with her talking about her kind of like 292 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: indigenous card that's gonna inspire in Canada, UM, which comes 293 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: up a lot. So there was a lot of discussion 294 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: around like particularly Canadian policies and attitude around Indigenous people 295 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: right um. And actually, one of the things that we 296 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: do want to mention because it was brought up when 297 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: we were searching things, was the controversial idea of blood quantum. 298 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: And we're not going to go too deep into it 299 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: because again it is controversial. But if just in case 300 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: you didn't know, it's a according to the MPR, highly 301 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: controversial measurement of the amount of native blood you have. 302 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: It can affect your identity, your relationships, or whether or 303 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: not your your children may become a citizen of your tribe. Um. 304 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: So it's a big conversation as in fact, I know 305 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: recently on TikTok, a big creator who has come out 306 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: as being problematic who is native um had brought up 307 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: the fact that if literally just saying if you look white, 308 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: then you're white, And it rubbed a lot of people 309 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: the wrong way because it was that blood quantum conversation 310 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: for Native individuals and specifically who understand that there's problematic 311 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: conversations when you have white people saying I'm one so, 312 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: and so you're like, what the what the heil like 313 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: you really want to punch somebody. But the truth is 314 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: there are people who are white presenting who already struggled 315 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: not being identified as one way UM and being dismissed 316 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: another way. So it's kind of this whole big conversation 317 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: and this is one of our things that it's not 318 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: looking native enough to come through and then having people 319 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: come to them be like, oh yeah, I am also 320 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: one eighth something something and then feeling like, okay, this 321 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: is a problem in itself. And of course it seems 322 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: to me this may be white supremacy in itself to 323 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: measure you and push you against your own community. So 324 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: that's that's a deeper conversation we're not going to have. 325 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: But it is interesting to see, and I know when 326 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: it comes to people that are multi race have the 327 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: need to prove themselves one way or another, and it's 328 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: really disheartening for that individual. I could only imagine because 329 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: it feels bad enough as actual according to my twenty 330 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: three and me DNA that says I am Korean and 331 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: nothing else. Don't ask or look, don't don't don't go 332 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: anywhere else um to try to figure out trying to 333 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: be that in a community that oftentimes won't accept me 334 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: as that. So there's just this level of balance in 335 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: having this type of controversial term floating about. I couldn't 336 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: imagine what that looks like. Yeah, yeah, And we see 337 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: that throughout the play of her of Salt Baby. Um, 338 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: like the date at the end with the guy she 339 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: found through like indigenous dating site and him making her 340 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: feel like she's not Native enough, and then seeing you know, 341 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: her mom going this way and kind of being like, no, 342 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd rather be white passing more white, um, 343 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: and hearing it from her boyfriend, and then feeling this 344 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: pressure uh internally, but you know also from her family 345 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: of like you know, you need to have a native baby, 346 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: and it's like your responsibility because that's just how this 347 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: system works. Um. It's just so just all these like 348 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: forces kind of like she's at sea and just on 349 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: a really rocky sea just buffing her about. Of like 350 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: when she's trying to figure out who she is and 351 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: she's got all of these things, she's constantly confronting her right, 352 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: and of course there's also the small fear that she's 353 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: not what she claims and she kind of talks about 354 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: that in this conversation of like, you will always be this, 355 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: you'll no matter what you are, and the grandfather saying 356 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: you're a fighter, this is this is who you are, 357 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: so don't let that pass. This is a part of 358 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: my blood in you. Essentially was that conversation, and it 359 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: was interesting speaking of the grandfather. Of course, we have 360 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: a theme around family, whether it's the really obnoxious wife 361 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: family who be called normal and then they're like more disrupted, 362 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: Like immediately imagine that dinner party where it goes from 363 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: zero to one seventy in like one minute. Literally all 364 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: they're doing is bickering, and it's so uncomfortable. I've definitely 365 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: been around people where you're like, well that was awkward, 366 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: and everybody was abruptly and you sit in silence. Yeah, 367 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: and then they just ran off with the wine. We're 368 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: like we're leaving, you know, I'm gonna say goodbye. This 369 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: is the first time they met her, right, and she's like, well, well, 370 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: bye by. But then you have her father, who she's 371 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: obviously very close to, and then her I believe cousin Clara, 372 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: who is like telling her dog in the DNA they're 373 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: going to have your information. Don't do this to yourself, 374 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: which you know it's not. She's not wrong, and then 375 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: also like whether or not they use it against indigenous people, 376 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: which also she's probably not wrong, um, but also has 377 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: the famous recipe that we're talking about, the grandmother's recipe 378 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: that she cooks for her. It's quite delightful and I 379 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: really do want to make these cookies. Um. But it's 380 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: a sweet interaction. But obviously all the things aren't important 381 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: to Clara is the one that is the one that 382 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: knows the oral history of the family. Her father's like, 383 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: go talk to Clara, she knows, though she goes to 384 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: visit to get more information, um, which we don't get 385 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: too much more information purposeful, but uh, they talk about 386 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: the importance of oral history and why they do this, 387 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: and then they do have this big conversation of the 388 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: lack of history for Indigenous people and First nations because 389 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: the government we're cruel and wanted to decimate the whole 390 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: community of people and whole culture because colonization. And it 391 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: was an interesting taken like look at what they were 392 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: talking about, how they do look at like ancestral histories 393 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: and what they have to do to make sure that 394 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: it remains alive. Yeah, yeah, and I think that's especially 395 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: interesting given we're reading this play right, um. But also 396 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: as we said, as you said, there's this ancestral voice 397 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: of her grandfather throughout, and there's even part like a 398 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: ghostly voice of her father or the grandfather speaking through 399 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: her father, And I thought that was a really interesting 400 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: take on sort of that oral history. And there's one 401 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: part that's really funny where the grandfather is observing her 402 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: on this date with alligator, and he's kind of like 403 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: making comments and she's almost having a conversation with him, 404 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: but makes it look normal. I guess, Um, it's really 405 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: really interesting, like like the boyfriend's not like who are 406 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: you talking to? Is what I'm trying to say, but um, 407 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of that dialogue of the past of someone who's 408 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: not with you anymore but you still carry. And then 409 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite things at the end 410 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: is when she looks at her hands and she says, 411 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: I used to think my hands were so ugly, um 412 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: like man manly hands, but they're my grandfather's hands, um, 413 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: and so that's like a piece of him is with me. 414 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's it was really eloquent and 415 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: beautiful way to kind of demonstrate that oral history but 416 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: also just that ancestral history, right um, and yeah, it's 417 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: a good connection. Again, I think is interesting to see 418 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: how they talk about the different nations coming through and 419 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: um and what that seems like. And they were talking 420 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: about the switching and that wasn't interesting. I don't know 421 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: much about that. Again, I know your listeners like what 422 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: and essentially, UM, people trying to continue the community specifically 423 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: that whether it's Mohawk or whether it was Tuscarora, like 424 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: making sure that children were born within those communities to 425 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: continue on their heritage. And I thought that was interesting, 426 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: um in this conversation and self wish I don't know 427 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: much about that history, which we should probably and we'll 428 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: come back to um. But yeah, there's a like the 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: lineage and and continuing a community are continuing a group 430 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: of people, which is uh something that important, especially when 431 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: you have colonizers trying to wipe you out. You know 432 00:23:48,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: this whole thing. Um, here's something that I found interesting 433 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: and I was felt very relatable in this theme the 434 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: interracial dating or the uh. Yeah, like it's it's a 435 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: whole other conversation. And I say this as again, I'm adopted, 436 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: so of course it's not foreign to me. It's not 437 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: like I am actually coming from an Asian family with 438 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: Asian disapproval for being with a white man um in general. 439 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: But when trying to get trying to express what is 440 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: happening in my life and why it is important or 441 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: what it looks like when people are being racist or 442 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: precious towards me, and the fact that I get looks 443 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: that he doesn't understand um. Same thing that happened with 444 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: my parents, who would say they just they're just looking 445 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: at you because they're jealous or whatever, or they think 446 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: you're pretty. I was like, none of us, that's not 447 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: what's happening. And you are dismissing how I'm feeling, which 448 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: he does often in this relationship, and it gets into 449 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: the way, especially when she's trying to hone in on 450 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: her identity, but then him feeling like that she is 451 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: a using him for the mistakes. Again, we're not going 452 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: to go too deep into it, because I think uh 453 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Johnson had a lot more grace to the idea that 454 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: she may have so many emotional ties and emotional reactions 455 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: because she was in the middle of trying to find 456 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: our identity and finding him, um, so insensitive to what 457 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: she was going through. Uh that she comes back, it's laughing. 458 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: He's like, I might I could have handled this differently, 459 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: so kind of bad. But at the same time, I'm like, nah, 460 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: it's a problem. He's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I think 461 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: one of the clearest examples is when she comes back, 462 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: he's like playing video games and she's struggling with this 463 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: like identity crisis, and the first thing he thinks is 464 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: this means we can go get drinks, right, because she 465 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: had to wait four days to get drinks based on 466 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: this ritual she went through. Um that was his first like, 467 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: you could go get drinks now, right, Um, just thinking 468 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: about himself and clearly not listening to her, trying to 469 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: understand at all what she was going through. You're right. 470 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean they did have a conversation about having children, 471 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, and she was like, I don't 472 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: want to have children with you. I would have children 473 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: with a native person. And he was very offended, and 474 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: I get that, like to the point like wait, what then, 475 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Are we long term? And 476 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: are we not? And the fact that like, is this 477 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: going to make it to the future, what is happening? 478 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: What was the point of this relationship? Um? And a 479 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: lot of the conflicts are the fact that he isn't 480 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: native UM, so he can't understand and that seems understandable 481 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: to me. Like if a thing doesn't work, because it's 482 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: that's not where you are. Again, like I said, she 483 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: has a pushing pull of being a little self effacing, 484 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: and so she's like, you know, I did these things 485 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: and it's not She's not wrong on that, but again, 486 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: like the bigger picture, when we come back to why, 487 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: what is important to you? And if it isn't and 488 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't align, then yeah, it won't work. Yeah, Yeah, 489 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: I did like how and I can see they're definitely 490 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: problematic aspects to this too. But I liked how her 491 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: father and her grandfather were kind of like, yeah, he's skinny, 492 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: but are you happy? They're always kind of like happy. Alright, 493 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: that's good enough. Right Again, So he's a vegetarian too, 494 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: is always a white vegetarian dude coming to the home 495 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: of a man who hunts and eats his own hunt 496 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: like he cares for himselves and lives off the lands 497 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: kind of but like and loves UFC fighting. So all 498 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: the things that he would hate. It was quite funny. 499 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: Um to see that interaction as well. But I think 500 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Then. Yeah, they were very accepting. Even again 501 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: at the end when the grandfather was like, yeah, he 502 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: wasn't that bad. It was kind of again, this is 503 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: a funny place. It was kind of just like, yeah, 504 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: we're happy, all right, all right, if he makes you happy, Okay, 505 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: you do you. I'm not gonna last. They didn't say 506 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: that a couple of times. I'm not gonna lask, but okay. Um. Yes, 507 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: And and it's not a theme, but I think is 508 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: important that we talked about it, because Johnson felt that 509 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: it was important. Uh, the humor in this play, as 510 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: in the factually talked about it, uh in another interview. 511 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: And in the interview they said Johnson is a great 512 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: believer in humor as a conduit to a place in 513 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: her language and content. She's quoted in saying it's a 514 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: tool it allows us access. People may approach our indigenous 515 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: content as scary, but they feel safe when they can laugh. 516 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: It's a way in a way for people to relate. Um. Again, 517 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: she is much kinder than she has to be. Then, 518 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: for those of us that are not Indigenous, and trying 519 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: to make people feel comfortable to understand the where she's 520 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: coming from or what she saw or just it's just 521 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: understanding a little more of the indigenous culture. Uh. But yeah, 522 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: that she felt that it was important that for her 523 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: to use this play in this way, and I think 524 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: that's something that important that we need to talk about. 525 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: For her doing this for us, I feel like she 526 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: does that for the audience also. I have a feeling 527 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: she is, as I was saying, self efacing jokes about 528 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: herself enough to like not take ourselves too seriously, but 529 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: in understanding this is something that happened and this is 530 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: something that needs to be talked about, so trying to 531 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: find that balance for her own personality as well. Yeah, 532 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like the human really does shine 533 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: through in this, and her personality and her humor relady 534 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: shines through in this because it is it's a lot 535 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: of it is very serious subject material. But I was 536 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: laughing quite a few times. YEA. Yeah, yeah, just whether 537 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: it's just dating in general and having like the moment 538 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: of like what I just say type of thing, like 539 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, like being aware, very aware of like oh 540 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: that did not make sense. I'm gonna move on with it, 541 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: or this doesn't make sense. I'm gonna move on with it, 542 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: which I do often like okay, keep going. Um. And 543 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: also again white people asking the typical like say this 544 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: for me, what does this say? What do you sound like? 545 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: You know? All of those things? Um, which happens off 546 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: and um, which again yeah, we laugh. We laugh about 547 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: it to a point that to make people more comfortable, 548 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: which is not necessarily something that she should have to 549 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: do or we should have to do in general, but 550 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: we did. That's what happens, that's what we learned to 551 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: make outsiders feel comfortable and or us as the outsiders, 552 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: feel more accepted, which is in itself a conversation. But 553 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because you and I had this 554 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: conversation that the atrocities that the Native community has gone through, 555 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: it does feel like a lot of deep serious content um, 556 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: and waiting through and trying to make sure we do 557 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: it appropriately and giving it all the respect that they 558 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: deserve it deserves because it is a serious conversation. We 559 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 1: know what's happening with the Indian Child Welfare Act right now, 560 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: and it is I hate it. And these are things 561 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: that are an attack on the Native people, the Native community, 562 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: and the Indigenous people that continues to suppress and oppress 563 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: them as culture and as a society a whole. And 564 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the thing that she was 565 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: talking about, was like we we we don't have to 566 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: always be this serious, and that was that other part 567 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: is it's tragedy porn in that people watch for the 568 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: instead of appreciating that it's not always this way and 569 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: that they are human and that they have experienced several 570 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: motions that it doesn't have to be. I think reservation 571 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: dogs have a great uh concept of this as well. 572 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: I know there's a conversation of it being problematic in itself, 573 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: but the content that they give is through a humorous 574 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: lens trying because it's not it's people are happy. Indigenous 575 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: people for most of our are happy in their community, um. 576 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: And if they're in a good community and feel safe 577 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: with their family. It's not that it's not this whole 578 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: welfare level of like everybody's so miserable and dismay um. 579 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: And to pretend that's the entire party of its culture 580 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: is offensive to Yeah, which we've talked about that a lot, 581 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: kind of a racing the joy and fullness that marginalized 582 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: people's lives have. Um. So I am very glad that 583 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: we read this. I'm glad that we were able to 584 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: find it. Um and I very very much enjoyed it 585 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: and recommend it. Yes. So if you have time it is. 586 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: If you can find it in your local bookstore, do that. 587 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: But if you can't, Amazon does have it for a 588 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: marginal amount. The money does go still to high a 589 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: part of the money anyway, and we should we should 590 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: celebrate it. Uh plays like this and hope for more 591 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: because there's not enough Native Indigenous contents when it comes 592 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: to plays, and I'm being on stage and I would 593 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: love to see more. 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