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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and Welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor back with Jude Kurvan, PhD, cosmologists, futurist, planetary healer,

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Speaker 1: a member of what is called the Evolutionary Leader's Circle,

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Speaker 1: and previously one of the most senior businesswomen in the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom. She has a master's degree in physics from

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Speaker 1: Oxford University and a doctorate in archeology from the University

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Speaker 1: of Reading. She has traveled extensively worked with wisdom keepers

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Speaker 1: for many traditions. A lifelong researcher in the nature of reality,

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Speaker 1: her latest work is called The Story of Gaya and Jude.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. It's good to have you back.

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Speaker 1: George is absolutely brilliant to be back with you. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while. It's been three years, way too long.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know about you, but those

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Speaker 1: three years have come pretty quickly for me. My wonderful

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Speaker 1: aunt who's not with us anymore, graduated from Oxford University

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Speaker 1: with a degree in psychiatry, and she turned her entire

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Speaker 1: career into investigating telepathy clairvoyance. She just loved it, but

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Speaker 1: what a great university you came from. It is so

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Speaker 1: beautiful university as well. Actually, we were back there, funnily

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Speaker 1: enough to the launch of the Story of Guia because

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Speaker 1: there's an amazing museum there called the Oxford University Museum

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Speaker 1: of Natural History, and back in eighteen sixty when the

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Speaker 1: museum had literally just opened, they had the first ever

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Speaker 1: debate on evolutionary biology, that Darwinian evolution there. So we

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Speaker 1: just felt it was really symbolic to have the UK

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Speaker 1: launch of the Story of Guya there. Fantastic and of

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Speaker 1: course Guya meaning the planet Earth, but it means the

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Speaker 1: planet's alive, doesn't it like an organism essentially? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean Guya was the name that the ancient Greeks gave

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Speaker 1: researcher called James Lovelock realized that the entirety of our

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Speaker 1: planetary home is an interdependence system. Now, he probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have gone as far as to say it was conscious,

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Speaker 1: but we've got massive evidence now that you know, the

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Speaker 1: whole universe is mindful. But he's certainly appreciated the interdependence.

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Speaker 1: The entirety of the planetary system, and he called it

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Speaker 1: the Gaia hypothesis and wrote a number of books, groundbreaking

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Speaker 1: books that really pre set what you know. The evidence

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Speaker 1: is now showing us even more detail in Depths Jordan.

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Speaker 1: When I was a young boy, I used to always

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Speaker 1: believe that this planet was alive and that it had

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Speaker 1: that occurred. What do you think of that? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think if you say any situation, that's probably a slight

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Speaker 1: when the asteroid, the six mile across asteroid hit near

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Speaker 1: the Yucatoon Peninsula six to six million years ago, you

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Speaker 1: know that wiped out the dinosaurs. But Guia moved on

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Speaker 1: She's amazing, I mean, her ability, her resilience is incredible.

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Speaker 1: But there are certain things that even Gaia could not

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Speaker 1: recover from. What's important about your title, The story of

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Speaker 1: Gaia is also the subtitle, which means a lot. The

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Speaker 1: big breath and the evolutionary journey of our conscious planet.

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Speaker 1: That tells me you believe this planet not only is alive,

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Speaker 1: but it's much more than just some kind of universal science,

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Speaker 1: that there's some kind of spirituality behind it very much so.

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Speaker 1: I mean a dear friend of mine, Elizabeth Satauris, who

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Speaker 1: It's a thirteen point eight billion years story of our

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Speaker 1: belong as as as Guyans with a living planetary home. Guia,

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Speaker 1: what can we learn from Guya as individuals as human beings?

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Speaker 1: My goodness me, what seeing guy as our primordial mother,

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Speaker 1: from her. How did you learn this, Steward? How did

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Speaker 1: I learn it? Yes, it's been a long George, As

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