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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we have the latest updates on Nancy Guthrie. A couple

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Speaker 2: of actors in Hollywood died this week, so we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that. This weekend, we heard of a mother and

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Speaker 2: daughter who were reported missing and later found dead, and

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Speaker 2: it seems like their deaths were a murder suicide and

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Speaker 2: may be due to a tumultuous custody battle. Then we're

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Speaker 2: going to get into the Freedom Baby Company, which has

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Speaker 2: gone viral this week because of I guess everyone is

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Speaker 2: just looking at all this packaging they've been doing over

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Speaker 2: the years and thinks that it's completely inappropriate, but other

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Speaker 2: people are saying that it's totally fine. So many are

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Speaker 2: calling for a boycott, and we'll talk about exactly why

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Speaker 2: I personally am as well I think Maria would agree to.

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Speaker 2: And alarms are being raised because of a new sexually

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Speaker 2: transmitted fungal infection. We'll finish up with your questions, comments,

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Speaker 2: and more on today's episode. Nancy got three is still missing.

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Speaker 2: I actually cannot believe because there's been a couple nights

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Speaker 2: here it's always because we're on the East coast too,

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Speaker 2: that it's midnight or one o'clock in the morning, and

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Speaker 2: it's like everyone's on X or on the news, like

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Speaker 2: the SWAT teams there. Now, we should know anything any second.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie, Like, since this happened,

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Speaker 1: so what are we entering? Week three? So she's been missing? Now,

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Speaker 1: what's today Tuesday? She's been missing what sixteen days at

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Speaker 1: this point, So since this happened, and it could be

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Speaker 1: totally pregnancy related, I haven't been sleeping at all. Every

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Speaker 1: night before I go to bed, I look at all

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Speaker 1: the updates and then I think about it all night long,

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Speaker 1: and then I wake up and I think about it

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Speaker 1: all morning. It's so consuming.

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Speaker 2: I think, like I've been chilling on the coverage because

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Speaker 2: the investigation itself just seems all over the place and.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to follow.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to follow, and honestly, like at this point,

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Speaker 2: I guess at first it was kind of everybody was

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Speaker 2: like really interested in it because there was this possibility

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Speaker 2: that the mom was going to be found and it

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Speaker 2: would have ended well. And at this point, I just

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that's the case, so now it's

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Speaker 2: more of a recovery I do. I just still I've

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Speaker 2: said this my entire life that I think that one

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Speaker 2: of the worst things a person has to go through

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Speaker 2: is when one of their life one is presumed dead

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Speaker 2: but their body hasn't been found or has never been found.

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Speaker 2: So and and like listen, when you see Savannah Gothrie

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Speaker 2: doing these videos online, you could see it in her face,

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Speaker 2: like it's just the most awful thing a human has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean a report came out yesterday that

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Speaker 1: was like, she's not gonna be on The Today Show

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future, Like obviously, how are you just

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Speaker 1: especially when she's one of the top news anchors in

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Speaker 1: the top news stories in the country.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear about what they posted on their Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: The Today Show?

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Speaker 2: Yes? No, maybe I did. It's so it's like, so,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's just like a read the

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Speaker 2: of the other co I don't really know who who's

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Speaker 2: on that show. Anymore. The other co host on the

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Speaker 2: show was having some kind of reunion with some like

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Speaker 2: mother type figure to her and it was them hugging

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Speaker 2: and it said everyone needs a mom hug or something

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Speaker 2: the day after she posted that that really heart wrenching

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Speaker 2: find out what the latest is and how she's doing,

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Speaker 2: you're putting out a post that's like everyone needs a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seems like incredibly insensitive timing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: They don't have a like a meeting between all of

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Speaker 2: sensitive even if they don't like her. Like, I don't know, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't please pin this part of the conversation because I

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Speaker 1: But like, yes, this is what always blows my mind

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Speaker 1: is that, especially in these giant corporate companies, they have

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Speaker 1: whole teams devoted to this and unless you have one

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Speaker 1: employee that goes rogue, obviously that could happen, but like,

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Speaker 1: there are many people involved in many stages behind the

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Speaker 1: social media strategy, so I never understand how these things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I you know, since I have a big

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Speaker 2: social media account, I could speak about this, like I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't let just you're the only person that has access

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Speaker 2: to that, because you're the only person I trust not

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Speaker 2: to You know, you know what my values are and

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Speaker 2: what I want posted, and.

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Speaker 1: I would still never post anything without checking with you.

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Speaker 2: You don't, you really don't. You always send if you're

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Speaker 2: sending it putting a clip up of mother nos death

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Speaker 2: or something, you always are like is this okay? And

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Speaker 2: this is exactly what I'm writing because I am because

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Speaker 2: it's a representation of me. I can't blame it on

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Speaker 2: someone else what I post right because it's my account,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. But regardless of that, I guess

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Speaker 2: the biggest news that came out since our Monday Morbid

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Speaker 2: minute yesterday was that now the sheriff, which take what

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Speaker 2: he says with a grain of salt like that dude

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Speaker 2: just probably should just keep his mouth shut because I

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Speaker 2: just think he's digging the hole deeper. But he has

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Speaker 2: said that the entire Guthrie family is clear, including spouses. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I meant to text you this over the weekend, Brian

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Speaker 1: enten to this amazing interview with this former police officer

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Speaker 2: I heard it.

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Speaker 1: I heard it, okay, Yeah, so that that was really

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Speaker 1: eye opening to me that he had had a former

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Speaker 1: grudge with FBI agents and this. I guess a lot

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Speaker 1: has happened since we wrapped last week, And for those

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Speaker 1: want you guys have the most accurate information up to date.

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Speaker 1: So that happened, and then that night all this crazy

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Speaker 1: stuff started happening. This driver, this delivery driver, had been

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Speaker 1: And then after that they released another form of security

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Speaker 1: footage that we talked about on YouTube live that showed

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Speaker 1: another guy's face that looked pretty similar unmasked. I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard any updates about where they are. But then three

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Speaker 1: other people were detained Friday night after that footage came out.

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Speaker 1: There have been no arrest with them. They searched their car.

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Speaker 1: What else has come out since it's like so much

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Speaker 1: information turned funk?

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Speaker 2: Well, if they glove, They found a glove along with

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Speaker 2: many other gloves, but this one particular glove seemed to

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Speaker 2: from this crime. Whatever, you know, also on a scene.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how far away that particular glove was found.

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Speaker 2: But what else did we see this week? Amazon driver's

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Speaker 2: pizza delivery? They just flowered delivery people all over the property,

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Speaker 2: so it's all tainted and everything.

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Speaker 1: So just let a pizza delivery man go up to

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Speaker 2: What is going on? I just I don't know, Like

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to talk too much shit

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Speaker 2: because her property is probably pretty big. Is it a

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Speaker 2: couple acres? I don't know. I think it's a cups big. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 2: and if there's no fence around it, it kind of

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Speaker 2: if you have three acres and you put crime scene

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Speaker 1: I don't finish your job or you don't want to

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Speaker 1: get in trouble. All right, So other information, So, like

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Speaker 2: That Tomato is is cleared. That's what that means, because

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Speaker 2: that's what they said. Okay, So so then I guess

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Speaker 2: Ashley Banfield's reporting was incorrect. Our source was incorrect. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's what you could say, but not necessarily because he

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Speaker 2: still could have been a suspect, but they could have

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Speaker 2: cleared him well exactly.

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Speaker 1: Like I saw somebody posted on social media earlier today

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Speaker 1: that the family was considering legal action for saying that.

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Speaker 1: But I think it depends on how it was worded.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's like from what I recall watching

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Speaker 1: that segment, she did not say Tomaso killed Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 1: She said he was being looked at as a person

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Speaker 2: For example, I just would at that, but like like

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Speaker 1: Is like yeah, but think about this. I just wrote

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Speaker 1: her father as a person of interest.

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Speaker 2: He was cleared.

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Speaker 1: They looked at the family first because there were certain

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Speaker 1: details that didn't add up. It looked like the kidnapping

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Speaker 1: have any tears coming out. They thought that was bizarre behavior.

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Speaker 1: So he was looked at as a person of interest

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Speaker 1: and then he got cleared, but he didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's just more of how it's been going

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Speaker 2: family first because it's statistically more likely to pull it right.

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Speaker 2: It's not always, I mean, just statistically it's more common,

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Speaker 2: so that happens all the time. I just think that

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Speaker 2: then in theory, the brother should hit the brother should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean, I was trying to be sympathetic

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Speaker 1: recently just had a bunch of friends pitch in to

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Speaker 1: give them money for the down payment on the house

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Speaker 1: or on the property, Yeah, which.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, listen, if you're an actor and you

440
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Speaker 2: have a bunch of friends that are rich, and they

441
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Speaker 2: see that you're probably going to die from this cancer

442
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Speaker 2: and you have six children and a wife, I could see, Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like it seems like a lot, but a

444
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for us is one hundred thousand dollars for

445
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Speaker 2: people like that, you know, Like it's it's just different.

446
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Speaker 2: So if if he has a bunch of rich friends

447
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Speaker 2: that want to chip in, but but like, what, what's

448
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Speaker 2: the go fundme about that? Why do why do regular

449
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Speaker 2: people that are just fans of his that probably don't

450
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Speaker 2: have that much money have to contribute to this because

451
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Speaker 2: he was accustomed to living a certain kind of lifestyle,

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Speaker 2: Like that's.

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Speaker 1: Well exactly because there are many people that have six

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Speaker 1: children that don't need to live in a five million

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Speaker 1: dollar property. So I guess the.

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Speaker 2: Cassion is now her to move on my street, like

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Speaker 2: the hundreds are big enough with like we would never

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Speaker 2: live around here.

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Speaker 1: I understand there was a certain quality of life they

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Speaker 1: were living, but like, you shouldn't expect other people to

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Speaker 1: fund your lifestyle. And that's where I think everybody's getting

462
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Speaker 1: bothered by it because they're like I understand if everybody

463
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Speaker 1: wanted to do something and buy your house or buy

464
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Speaker 1: your wife a nice house and everything, considering you're gonna

465
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Speaker 1: die and you're probably the main provider for the family,

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Speaker 1: But like, do you have to live in a five

467
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Speaker 1: million dollar house? I don't think so. Like the woman

468
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Speaker 1: that watched me growing up had six children in a

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Speaker 1: two bedroom house. Like, people figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and every really every single older person that we

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Speaker 2: know that grew up in a you know, in a

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Speaker 2: row house. Yeah, same thing, six kids living in a

473
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Speaker 2: house that has two to three bedrooms.

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Speaker 1: Like, and I'm not saying they have to live in

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Speaker 1: a situation like that, but I don't think they have

476
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Speaker 1: to live on a five million dollar property. But on

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Speaker 1: the GoFundMe, it said, quote your generosity will help cover

478
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Speaker 1: essential living expenses, paybills, and support the children's education. So like,

479
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Speaker 1: these kids have been being homeschooled since they moved to

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Speaker 1: Texas over five years ago, so now they have to

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Speaker 1: go to now they need money to go to private school.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand. I'm really trying and a mag

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Speaker 1: a place of Like I understand the wife is in

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Speaker 1: families grieving, but this just seems excessive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a It's just it's just like a

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Speaker 2: real turn off to me. Really. I mean, like I

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Speaker 2: I personally know people that have lost a provider in

488
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Speaker 2: their family, right, but they like they live around here,

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Speaker 2: you know, like yes, And I don't know, it's just

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Speaker 2: I just can't stand these people just live in this

491
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Speaker 2: bubble of of not reality even a little bit thinking

492
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Speaker 2: of and like you said, five a five million dollar

493
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Speaker 2: ranch is so excessive, but even if she downgraded to

494
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Speaker 2: a one million dollar house, it's still way better than

495
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Speaker 2: most people in America are living. And it you could

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Speaker 2: have a really good house for a million dollars, especially

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Speaker 2: in tech. They're in Texas, right, Yeah, I feel like

498
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Speaker 2: just thinking about the property taxes and and the maintenance

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Speaker 2: on something like that, I just can't even imagine what

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Speaker 2: anything like that would cost. And they have animals, I'm sure,

501
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: because it's a ranch, so then you gotta pay for those.

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Speaker 2: And really, if you don't have enough money, the last

503
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Speaker 2: thing you should do is have like five horses, right Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the market, what the real

505
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Speaker 1: estate market looks like in Texas, but like around here,

506
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Speaker 1: five million dollars is getting you like an enormous mansion.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and like the best. Yeah, I mean really,

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Speaker 2: you could get a house on the beach down the

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Speaker 2: shore for five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Like a like a really nice one, not not even

511
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Speaker 1: just a like nice little ocean fewd like a really big.

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Speaker 2: And our and our real estate is kind of high.

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Speaker 2: Ours is very high compared to other parts of the country,

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't know what it's

515
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Speaker 2: like in Texas, and like, obviously it's cheaper than living

516
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Speaker 2: in Beverly Hills where they were living before, but I

517
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Speaker 2: feel like five million dollars in Beverly Hills still get

518
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Speaker 2: you a pretty decent sized house. So I guess the

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Speaker 2: person that's set up the GoF on me is is

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Speaker 2: is like clapping back at all the.

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Speaker 1: Haters rage by criticism.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like you people do not live in

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Speaker 2: reality even a little bit. It's so out of touch.

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Speaker 2: I feel really bad because I'm sure I never saw

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Speaker 2: that show. I recognize his face because I used to

526
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Speaker 2: see commercials for the show when it was out, But

527
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Speaker 2: there's probably people that love that show and love him

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Speaker 2: it's really gross.

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is a news story that just

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Speaker 2: came out yesterday, possibly about this missing mom and daughter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm sure some more information will come out,

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Speaker 1: but what we know so far is this mother and

558
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Speaker 1: her eleven year old daughter were in Vegas for a

559
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Speaker 1: cheer competition. They never showed up to the competition and

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Speaker 1: somebody called officers and hotel staff asking them to do

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Speaker 1: a welfare check in the room. So they went to

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Speaker 1: the room around ten forty five in the morning. Nobody

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Speaker 1: answered the door. After a couple hours, loved ones were

564
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Speaker 1: not giving up and they were like, can you please

565
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Speaker 1: just go check again? And then when they went in

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Speaker 1: the room, they found both of them dead from an

567
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Speaker 1: apparent murdered suicide. Yeah, and just we have friends that

568
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Speaker 1: are like dance moms. It's a similar kind of thing

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Speaker 1: where you traveled all over the country with your kid

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Speaker 1: to be in these competitions. Right, Jen is going to

571
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Speaker 1: be highly offended by that.

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Speaker 2: It's sorry, Jen, it's the same damn thing. It's just

573
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Speaker 2: cheerleading versus dancing whatever. But so when you think about this,

574
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Speaker 2: they need the member of the team especially, and this

575
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Speaker 2: is the whole world for these girls to go to

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Speaker 2: these competitions. So of course when one of them isn't there,

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Speaker 2: the moms there are just like, what is happening? Where

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Speaker 2: are they? Like something has to be wrong because they

579
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Speaker 2: traveled all the way here. There's no reason that they're

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Speaker 2: not here right now. And I am glad that they

581
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Speaker 2: pressed on that because it was very out of character

582
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Speaker 2: for them not to show up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if nobody had heard from them all day.

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Speaker 2: So so there's a there was a suicide note left

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Speaker 2: at the scene, which they didn't say.

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Speaker 1: They didn't say what it said, but information that's coming

587
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Speaker 1: out is that the mom and dad had been in

588
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Speaker 1: this horrific custody battle since they got divorced in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: So for I hate hearing shit like this, like when

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Speaker 2: I tell you guys some of the details it it

591
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Speaker 2: makes me so mad that two grown adults cannot put

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Speaker 2: their bullshit aside for their child, Like when I tell

593
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Speaker 2: you this. They had to go to court several times

594
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Speaker 2: because of the visitation situation they were. The couple was

595
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Speaker 2: ordered to park their cars a full five spaces apart

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Speaker 2: during custody handovers. So let's say, like the kid had

597
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Speaker 2: to go to the dad's every other weekend when they

598
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Speaker 2: showed up in a parking lot. So it had to

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Speaker 2: be at the daughter's school where it was when it

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Speaker 2: was in session, yeah, when it was in session, and

601
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Speaker 2: then when it wasn't in session, it had to be

602
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Speaker 2: at the police station. Like how pathetic are you that

603
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Speaker 2: you can't get your shit together to have a civil

604
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Speaker 2: exchange with someone, Like well, yeah, it's it's embarrassing, honestly.

605
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Speaker 2: So five cars apart, and they had to drive up there,

606
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Speaker 2: and the kid had to walk between the cars. There

607
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: couldn't be any contact with the mom and the dad.

608
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Speaker 2: The kid had to walk alone from car to car.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're not allowed to think about that. This

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Speaker 2: isn't writing right now. These two people that were together

611
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Speaker 2: at one point can't even be like in the same

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Speaker 2: room together to hand off their child. It's it's seriously

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Speaker 2: is pathetic.

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Speaker 1: It's so pathetic, and since twenty fifteen, so that's this child's.

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Speaker 2: Entire life exactly. It's so gross. You know, we were

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Speaker 2: at the softball field one night and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: me and Gabe were in the car and we just

618
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Speaker 2: so happened to witness something similar like this happening because

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Speaker 2: the softball field is right next to the police station,

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Speaker 2: and there was a parent that you know, they were

621
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Speaker 2: doing some kind of exchange and they got in this

622
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Speaker 2: huge fight. They were screaming. The police came outside and

623
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Speaker 2: they were like holding this kid and telling them not

624
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Speaker 2: to do that in front of the kid. And I

625
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Speaker 2: just was like, this is so pathetic and disgusting for

626
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Speaker 2: this child to have to grow up, not like for

627
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Speaker 2: I mean whatever, people get to than break up all

628
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Speaker 2: the time, but you have to try your hardest to

629
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Speaker 2: make it the best for that kid so that kid

630
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Speaker 2: doesn't grow up screwed up. I mean, thinking about your

631
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Speaker 2: normal weekend as a five year old starting to be

632
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Speaker 2: in a police station with your parents screaming at each other, well.

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Speaker 1: Especially if one parent is trying their best and the

634
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Speaker 1: other parent is just refusing to cooperate. But then you

635
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Speaker 1: have the custody where like you can't just not bring

636
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Speaker 1: them because that person's acting crazy. But then, I mean,

637
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Speaker 1: you can speak to this more than I can because

638
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Speaker 1: you had shared custody with me and you had to

639
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Speaker 1: drop me off every other weekend, right, But I mean

640
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Speaker 1: it never got like that, obviously. But I'm just saying, like,

641
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's already hard enough to not have your

642
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: kid all the time. Yeah, but you it is, but

643
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: like you're the grown up, you put it aside exactly

644
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Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, Like I just don't. I don't see

645
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: it any other way. So and now when I am

646
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: curious when more information comes out, because she I wonder if,

647
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: like which one was the problem in this situation, or

648
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: if they were both the problem.

649
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: Or what it was. But she she's clearly trying to

650
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: send a message which is just like I'm not doing

651
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: this anymore. Obviously it took, But was it taking such

652
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: a toll on her daughter that she felt like this

653
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Speaker 2: was the only way out? Or was she just completely

654
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Speaker 2: out of her mind and did this? Like you got

655
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: you could look at it two different ways, like was

656
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: she just a crazy person or was she so desperate

657
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: because she couldn't get her kid away from this guy

658
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: that she thought that this was the only option.

659
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like I read somewhere else

660
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: and I think this was just online, like on social media.

661
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's confirmed that the custody

662
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: battle had ended in twenty twenty four in her favor.

663
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: So that's what makes us even more confusing. But what

664
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: we know about the mom, I mean, I have no

665
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: information about the dead. But what they've said about the

666
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: mom is based on court records. It looks like she

667
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: declared Chapter seven bankruptcy two different times in twenty seventeen

668
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: and then twenty twenty one, she had at least three

669
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: leans or civil judgments against her. She had several criminal

670
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: offenses on her record, which included traffic violation, shoplifting, criminal trespass,

671
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: and disorderly contact between twenty twenty and twenty twenty five,

672
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: and then in twenty nineteen she had been found guilty

673
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: of custodial interference, which is a misdemeanor related to the

674
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: custody of this case. So was going on, yeah a lot,

675
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: And like what do you do when you have money problems? Oh, definitely,

676
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: do not put your kid into any kind of competitive

677
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: I know that dance is thousands of dollars a month,

678
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sure. The cheerleading is too, with all these

679
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: competitions and costumes and fees. It's like the last thing

680
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: that you should be doing if you're having money problems,

681
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: because it's really expensive.

682
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know, I just don't know. I

683
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: mean maybe the note says everything. It's just like what

684
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: got triggered in this particular event. The child was eleven

685
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: years old. I mean, like it's it's so it's so

686
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: upsetting and devastating, not only obviously for the for the

687
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: dead child, but for the other parent that just and

688
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: and and like everybody on the team.

689
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: But it's like, take your own life, Why do you

690
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: have to kill the kid? Children have more resilience, and

691
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: she might have been able to get to a place

692
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: in her life where she could have overcame this hardship

693
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: that she's been dealing with her parents. And that wasn't

694
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: the mom's call to make.

695
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.

696
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: It's terrible, all right, free to baby. Oh yeah. This So.

697
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: On one hand, you know, I don't like the cancel culture.

698
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: I just don't. And they've apparently so they went viral

699
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: over the past week because people and maybe it's just accumulation,

700
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: people are saying that a lot of their packaging is

701
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: sexually inappropriate jokes, which on one hand, people argue, Okay, well,

702
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: adults are buying this stuff, and they're trying to appeal

703
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: to like be funny to adults who are gonna who

704
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: are the ones that are buying it. It's not the

705
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: babies that are buying it and the little kids, it's

706
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: the adults who are buying it. But on the other hand,

707
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: especially what's going on with all this Jeffrey Epstein stuff

708
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: and just like all of I mean, I feel like

709
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: children being sexually assaulted is a huge thing right now,

710
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: and it's just I guess the Epstein thing has opened

711
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: it up more to open our eyes to really hell

712
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: in depth and widespread this ghost.

713
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I get what you're saying, Like children have

714
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: been being assaulted forever, but it's very heightened in the

715
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: media right now.

716
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: Yea, And every very everyone's sensitive to it, and everybody,

717
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: especially people who didn't grow up having that happen to

718
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: them and can't imagine an adult doing that to a

719
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: child When you see it in writing in the Epstein

720
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: files and stuff, and you just see how widespread it is,

721
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: and you could see the documents for your face in

722
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: your face. You know. I think that a lot of

723
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: people are like, Okay, we need to reevaluate a lot

724
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: of stuff about how things are perceived and handled, because

725
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: it's a lot broader than we ever thought it was. Yeah.

726
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: So I guess where the issue lies with this is

727
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: that they've been doing this marketing for years. But just

728
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: last week this woman went on social media and made

729
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: a video pointing out some of the inappropriate posts.

730
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: And I have to tell.

731
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: You, like, I never heard of this before. I never

732
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: saw any complaints about them. If anything, I've only seen

733
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: glowing reviews about how amazing their products are.

734
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: So I got this the nose freed to thing as

735
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: a gift from our front blow actually when Lily was born.

736
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: And it's for those of you who haven't had kids

737
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: in a while or don't know about this. It was

738
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: a cylinder that came attached to a straw basically, and

739
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: you put the cylinder in the kid's nostril and you

740
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: could manually suck the snot out of their nose instead

741
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: of using that stupid bulb thingy. So I it was

742
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: the greatest thing in the world because it really it

743
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: really worked. And that was Lilian that was thirteen years

744
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: ago almost at this point, and the package was normal.

745
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: I remember because I had it. It just was like

746
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: a picture of it. Since then, the company has expanded

747
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: greatly and I didn't even so that's why I'm not

748
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: aware of it, because like I don't have a little

749
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: baby or a little kid, and I haven't bought products

750
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: like that in a while, so I haven't seen them.

751
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: But they changed the packaging from the original one that

752
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: I had for sure, and some of the some of

753
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: the things are just like weird, Like there's a picture

754
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: of a kid's butt, like you're changing a diaper of

755
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: a kid's but it's not an actual photograph. It's an illustration.

756
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: But on the box it says it's for a rectal thermometer,

757
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: and it says how about a quickie, And a lot

758
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: of people who especially like psychotherapists and stuff who take

759
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: care of victims of sexual assault and also take care

760
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: of the perpetrators that do this, say that any little

761
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: thing can arouse these people, which is why to me,

762
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, yeah, we need to like not

763
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: do that.

764
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean that one is nothing compared to the adult.

765
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: And I think I was using an example of like

766
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: when I was a kid and we used to get

767
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: like the J. C. Penny Catalog, there was sections for

768
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: the girls, and they used to have sections of girls

769
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: like wearing underwear and wearing undershirts and bras like our

770
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: first bra and all this stuff. And then once more

771
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: and more started being researched about this stuff, they said, like, no,

772
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: like sexual predators will look through J C. Penney catalog

773
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: and like get off on seeing little kids modeling the

774
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: underwear and things like that. So then now if you

775
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, if I go on Amazon or something and

776
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: try to get a pair of underwear for my kids,

777
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: like it, they just show the picture of the underwear.

778
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: They don't show it on a kid. Because we're starting

779
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: to realize that, like we we shouldn't even put that

780
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: out there like that and give these because you don't

781
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: even want men like masturbating over that and stuff. Or

782
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: it's it's disturbing and even just little word the little

783
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: words that are written. So what was what was the

784
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: one pay the most disturbing one was the one with

785
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: the baby with the well, let let's get to it too, okay.

786
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: In this In the viral video, this person pointed out

787
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: that they had a social media post, which was an

788
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: ad for a rectal thermometer that said, quote, this is

789
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: the closest your husband's gonna get to a threesome. Try

790
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: out our three and one thermometer. So, like, that's.

791
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: Completely inappropriate when you're talking about something that's being inserted

792
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: in that area on a child. I mean, like, what

793
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: are they even thinking with that caption?

794
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Like I I think that it's

795
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: weird and I don't feel like I'm a prude person,

796
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: but I just I want that line to be very

797
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: clear as far as when we're talking about kids and adults,

798
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: Like I understand they're all in the news right now,

799
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: and for just as many people like us that are

800
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: just kind of like, yeah, I'm not into that, there's

801
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: plenty of people that are just like, take a joke.

802
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: It's not being prude, like i'd say perverted jokes all

803
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: the time in the privacy of my home. When it

804
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: comes to sexualizing children, it's not about being prude. It's

805
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: inappropriate and it's fucked up, especially with everything that's going

806
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: on now. So let's get into some of the worst ones.

807
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: The one that bothered me the most was a post

808
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: going back five or six years ago, which was a

809
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: picture of a baby's face with a giant booger on

810
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: his forehead that said, when you pull out too early,

811
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: that is disgusting.

812
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know a lot of social media people

813
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 2: are posting that picture and blurring out the baby's face,

814
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: which is hilarious to me because I'm like, no, that

815
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: baby's mom totally signed them up to be a model

816
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: for that particular photo shoot or.

817
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: Just send it into them, and they shared it. I

818
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: don't think it was a formal photoshoot. It might have

819
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: just been sent in, but regardless, the parents gave it

820
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: to somebody and then that's how it got online.

821
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, which that's whatever with that. The thing is

822
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: is that this is exactly what I'm talking about, Like

823
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: for a person who likes to sexually assault children, seeing

824
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: that on social media would arouse them.

825
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Yes, So then let's get into saying let's get into

826
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: what the packaging says in particular. And first of all,

827
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: like I had a really hard time believing this because

828
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: you know how people be, and you know how AI

829
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: is right now, so like anything's anything could be made up.

830
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: I went to Target over the weekend and I looked

831
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: and Oh it's there.

832
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: It's all there. It's just I just I just don't

833
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: So this is I guess what my biggest question is, Like,

834
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: why all of a sudden today if this stuff has

835
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: been out there for five years? Well, and I didn't

836
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: know because I don't buy it, But like everyone else,

837
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: like you, you're having a baby and stuff like, do you

838
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: think people just don't even really like notice it?

839
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's that like I'm not like I'm

840
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: not reading the packaging on things I buy, like I

841
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: open it, you know, yeah, like I'm not looking at

842
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I think with everything going on

843
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: with the Epstein files and all these other things, I mean,

844
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: we have other stories of incidents with children this week

845
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: and sexual predators, like everybody's senses are heightened to it.

846
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: So I think this woman was like, well, what about

847
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: all this marketing? And then it opened this Pandora's box

848
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: of people being like, yeah, I've noticed this actually, and

849
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: here's the picture of my box. I just had my

850
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: baby shower. This is on my box. I mean literally

851
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: on the boxes. It's like the humidifier says, I get

852
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: turned on easy. The touchless thermometer says, how about a quickie.

853
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: There's this tool that you stick up their butt to

854
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: help them fart that literally says tap that gas. Like,

855
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's funny. And then on top

856
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: of all of this, you know, they're like not apologizing

857
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: at all, and they're basically saying, comedy is personal, and

858
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: we sell our products to adults even though they're made

859
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: for children, and the comedy is for the adults. Like,

860
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: it's not about comedy being personal, it's about sexualizing children

861
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: to sell products, and it's gross.

862
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that they're just not I I think they're

863
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: not looking at it like that. And I don't know

864
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: that they need to be canceled. I just think that

865
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: they might. They might want to.

866
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: Fire every person works in their marketing.

867
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: That's what needs that. Yeah, Like I just I just

868
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: think it's I don't think they have to. I don't.

869
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: I don't. I would hope. I'm trying to give them

870
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: the benefit of doubt, and maybe I shouldn't. Like, maybe

871
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: the people that made these are total pedophile perverts. I'm

872
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: just thinking that because I know that they showed some

873
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: pictures of the people who were behind the marketing team,

874
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: which were all men who appeared to not have had

875
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: jobs or children. They showed their you know, remember on

876
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: the website they had a picture of a drawing of

877
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: one of the of the.

878
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: People they did like meet our team page basically and

879
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: everybody it wasn't even actual photographs, but yeah, three of

880
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: the men seemed that they didn't even have children.

881
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: So I could see in a world where where they

882
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: thought that it was being funny and obviously like it's

883
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: edgy and that's what makes people look at the brand

884
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they just and maybe them themselves weren't

885
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: victims of sexual abuse, so they just don't like get it.

886
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a tone deaf thing. But I

887
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: think that most people right now that have like I

888
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: have older little kids and you're about to have a baby,

889
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: and people have kids that are you know, two and

890
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: three and four years old, most of those people are

891
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: just kind of like like it's just going around, like

892
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: people are like more weary than they used to be,

893
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: and and that's why they need to like tone it

894
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: down a little bit with that.

895
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's people with us. I mean, like I

896
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: understand they're this millennial company. They made all these great

897
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: products and everything they want to appeal to, like a

898
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: younger audience of new parents, right, I understand that, but

899
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: like you miss the mark on this one, especially like

900
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: the people defending them saying like, oh, you're just taking

901
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: like you're just getting upset over nothing. You're just too sensitive,

902
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I am not somebody that's easily offended. Okay,

903
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of terrible things. I'm not easily

904
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: offended person. But I think when it comes down to

905
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: children being sexually exploited, we need to draw the line somewhere.

906
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: Like maybe I'm hyper sensitive to it because AI am

907
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: about to have a baby, and also because of our job,

908
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Like we read these terrible stories every single day of

909
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: things happening to kids and they just get downplayed and

910
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: it's disgusting. And then that's like you're making these jokes

911
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: and posting pictures of them with these sexual innuendos online,

912
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: potentially churning on predators. I'm not here for it. I

913
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: had a bunch of their products on my registry. I

914
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: took them off. Guess what other companies make them too.

915
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should be canceled as a whole.

916
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: I think they need to pull it back. I think

917
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: they need to reevaluate their marketing strategy, and I don't

918
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't need an apology from them,

919
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: per se. I just want them to stop doing it.

920
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't think people should throw out products they already have,

921
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: but personally, I'm not gonna be giving them money until

922
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: they stop posting things like this.

923
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll see what comes to that. I mean,

924
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I don't know what to say.

925
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: I just I think that all of us who are

926
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: really invested, especially with the Epstein thing, it's it's kind

927
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: of surprising, especially when you see some of these these

928
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: people that are famous, well respected, all this stuff coming

929
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: out on this list that was with emails proof and

930
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: they're admitting that they were in this. You're just seeing

931
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: that the problems a little bit more, at least for

932
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: me that I think it's more widespread than I originally thought.

933
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: You know, growing up, when you talk about a pedophile

934
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: and stuff, you would think that it was a rare occurrence.

935
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: And it's just between like you said, all these stories

936
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: we do with this job and just social media and all,

937
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't even talk about all of the

938
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: stories that happen in the news every week, there's not

939
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: enough time, and like them are too dark. Some of

940
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: them are just too dark, yes exactly. But there was

941
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: even just like a firefighter in California that that was

942
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: just got like a captain like that just got accused

943
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: of sexually assaulting children for years. And you know what,

944
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 2: you just see it all the time. It's every single day,

945
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: multiple stories a day, and every state, all over the place.

946
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: So you're just like, like this is it's just not funny.

947
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: It's not even funny anymore. It's just not funny.

948
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: I think there's just other ways they could go about

949
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: making jokes. I mean literally on a postpartum product, there

950
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: was something about discharge, like I don't think that's cute,

951
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: that's gross. Like, I just think there's other ways to

952
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: go about making jokes about parenthood and how gross babies

953
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: can be sometimes and whatever without making sexual nuendos like

954
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: I just don't like it.

955
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: Do you ever see which I think is is really

956
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: just distasteful too. They have like onesies for babies that

957
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: say like load that should have been swallowed or something

958
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: like oh yes, and like I I've seen people have

959
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: their kids in that just like oh you know, mommy,

960
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: forgot her birth control. I don't know, it's just like

961
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: a weird line.

962
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: That's just like it's white trash, and I never exactly

963
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: get it. I'll never forget when I was a little kid,

964
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: we were on the wild Wood Boardwalk, which is arguably

965
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: the land of all these T shirts, and there was

966
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: like a toddler sized T shirt that said future milf.

967
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: I will never forget that because you were so pissed

968
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: about it and you couldn't stop talking to everybody about it,

969
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: and it was so inappropriate.

970
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy. We normally go to Ocean City Boardwalk.

971
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: That's like our that's like our hangout place in the summer.

972
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: But every once in a while, I just get this idea,

973
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: like let's go to Wildwood because they have you know,

974
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: they have more rides to choose from, and it's a

975
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: bigger boardwalk, And every single time we go, I'm just like,

976
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: this place is like the shirts that are for sale

977
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: there are just on another level of really inappropriate compared

978
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: to because Ocean City always pushes themselves to be like

979
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: a family resort, and I think that they have some

980
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: rules that they're just like all their shirts in their

981
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: store say like six seven and like Ocean City Beach

982
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and then.

983
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, what it's just like did you get a while

984
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: when it says stuff like that, or like with Cuomo

985
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: said that, Like I'm not perverted, I'm just Italian.

986
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: That shirt was huge that year, you know, things like that.

987
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the people that go there love that shirt.

988
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I don't know. I just I just call

989
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: me over sensitive. Whatever.

990
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I am because I'm about to have a baby.

991
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: Whatever.

992
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I personally, I don't think I get

993
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: easily offended by things like this. This really made me disgusted.

994
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: But all right, Minnesota is being called the epicenter of

995
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: the nation's quote largest known outbreak of sexually transmitted ringworm.

996
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess this is the only known sexually

997
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: transmitted fungus too, because normally you have like chlamidian, ganohea

998
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: or bacteria, and Trichomonis is a parasite, and herpes is

999
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: a virus, HIV is a virus, So this is a

1000
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: ringworm is a fungal infection. It's not actually a worm,

1001
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: so I make I think that makes it sound growth

1002
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: like worse right, Yeah, like ring worm forms it forms

1003
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: a rash that looks kind of like a circle or ring,

1004
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: which is where it gets its name. And I guess

1005
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: historically people thought that it was a worm underneath of

1006
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: the skinner or something, but it's not. It's it's just

1007
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: a fungal infection, so it now. But there's been a

1008
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: lot of cases of it, and it's called TM seven,

1009
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: where it's a genotype seven of this particular fungus that

1010
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: causes I mean, most people have had a ringworm infection,

1011
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 2: probably like athletes, foot jocket, all of those things fall

1012
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: like within that category. I remember one I had it

1013
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: on my forehead. It was really weird and it was

1014
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: coming off my eyebrow and I guess it was from

1015
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: like tweezing my from my tweezers or something. It was

1016
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: really bizarre and I was just like, what is this?

1017
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: But then I just bought the cream and put it

1018
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: on and it goes away, and that will happen in

1019
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: this case too. But I mean there's some pretty crazy

1020
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: pictures of this going on or around line, like around

1021
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: people's face, like you know, which is really disturbing, kind

1022
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: of looking around, you know, around their mouth because obviously

1023
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: you're you're having oral sex. But you could get it

1024
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: on your groin and things like that. The biggest problem

1025
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: with this, it's like when you have a fungal infection,

1026
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: they're more difficult to treat, and if you're like for

1027
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: it to completely go away, it might take a couple

1028
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: of weeks even a month of putting this cream on

1029
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: every day, And in that time period, you really shouldn't

1030
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: be having sex because it's still considered to be transmissible,

1031
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: and try to get people who were having sex to

1032
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: stop having sex for a month, like it's it's difficult.

1033
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: So I imagine that this is going to spread literally

1034
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: like a lot further than this because of that.

1035
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And they're saying that the first case

1036
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: was reported in New York City in twenty twenty four,

1037
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: and then the first case in Minnesota was reported last July,

1038
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: and since then they've had thirty confirmed cases, So I

1039
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: guess they're worried about its spreading more rapidly.

1040
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like thirty cases is like nothing, but it can.

1041
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: It can, Like that's what happens. Like you know, COVID

1042
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: started with thirty people and then look what happens, right,

1043
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: So yeah.

1044
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: All right, onto your questions and emails. If you have

1045
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: something to say to us, you could email it to

1046
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: stories at mothernosdeath dot com. First is from anonymous. This

1047
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: is about the Olive Garden story we shared last week.

1048
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep this anonymous as possible, but I've

1049
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: been waiting for you guys to cover the story. For clarification,

1050
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: this man is not dead. The reports word it in

1051
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: such a way that it sounds like he died, but

1052
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: he's very much alive. Workers at the Olive Garden report

1053
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: that he jumped dunked himself in the fire at least

1054
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: two times as if now he's expected to survive, except

1055
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: he may be missing a few limbs and other senses

1056
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: and has quite the recovery ahead of him. I wish

1057
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: the news would have reported this a little better.

1058
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: Wow, that's brave. Yeah, because all of it was being

1059
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: reported as a suicide. Yeah, he killed himself right in

1060
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: front of everybody. And yeah, so we'll take your anonymous

1061
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: as you might potentially be involved with treating this person,

1062
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: or you might know this person, or you might have

1063
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: been there. So thank you for that. Yeah, I'm glad

1064
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: to see that he survived. Hopefully he could uh get

1065
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: the treatment that he needs. Whatever. If he was doing drugs.

1066
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: If that was reportedly correct, or if he was just

1067
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: having some kind of mental health crisis, can get the

1068
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: help he needs and and appreciate his life more now, Yeah,

1069
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: all right.

1070
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: Next is from Becky. I love you guys and Elvis Nicole.

1071
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for your nightmare birth. Every mom deserves

1072
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: that fairy tale delivery. It makes me want to scream

1073
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: when I see pics of moms that literally just gave

1074
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: birth and look amazing. Us moms with nightmare deliveries had

1075
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: these memories. I went back to my thirty seven week appointment,

1076
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: and like you, I had elevated blood pressure, but I

1077
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: had just done working. I just got done working and

1078
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: fighting traffic, so I was justified, or I thought. I

1079
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: was admitted that evening, and by two am I was

1080
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: informed I was being induced. Shortly after I was informed

1081
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,479
Speaker 1: that I tested positive for barbituates. I lost my mind,

1082
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: thinking the pharmacy screwed up my meds. To find out

1083
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later that the lab screwed up. Oh, this

1084
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: should have been a sign on how this was going

1085
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: to go down. Eleven hours later, I gave birth to

1086
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: a healthy baby boy. The entire time for being induced

1087
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: and in labor I felt blackout, drunk with vague memories.

1088
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: As soon as the baby came out, I knew something

1089
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: was wrong here. I was suffering from a massive hemorrhage.

1090
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: I now understand that when someone in movies get shot

1091
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: and they are shivering and cold. After about one hundred attempts,

1092
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: an anesthesiologist was called in and they finally got a

1093
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: vain and I was given three pints of blood. I

1094
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: was given magnesium for the next twenty four hours, and

1095
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: you're not joking. That stuff made me feel like my

1096
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: eyes were gonna pop out of my head. Went home

1097
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: forty eight hours after birth. I felt so bad and

1098
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: blood pressure was still high. So the next days they

1099
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: wanted me to get labs done. Twenty four hours later,

1100
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: I had not heard anything back, so I called my midwife.

1101
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: She then realized the lab never notified her of the result.

1102
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: She looked up the results and she instructed me to

1103
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: get back to the hospital at asap. Dara was informed

1104
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: that I had help and she had never seen liver

1105
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: enzymes that high. A lot more magnesium in a week later,

1106
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: I finally got to go home. Maria, congrats on the baby.

1107
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: Don't be scared. By these stories. Be grateful, you know

1108
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 1: the signs, and have a strong mom that'll be by

1109
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: your side.

1110
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: To fight for you ifded be so really doesn't make

1111
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: me feel better, Well, this is why she's not delivering

1112
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: allowed to deliver it at two hospitals near us because

1113
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: of shit shows like this. I'm listen. I don't know

1114
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: where you ad your treatment, but that lab is terrible

1115
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: and she gets shut down. Probably, So you go in

1116
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: there as a mom in labor and they come back

1117
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: and tell you you have barbituates in your blood and

1118
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: you're like, well, I haven't taken any barbituates, so like,

1119
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: what's happening right now? Right? So that's like xanax valume

1120
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: things like that. So that to me would be like, okay,

1121
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: what's happening here? So of course you're freaking out, like,

1122
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, did I take drugs that I didn't

1123
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: even know about, which, trust me, you would know if

1124
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: you took barbituates, like you would just be sitting there

1125
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden feel like a wet noodle.

1126
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but the fact that they were like,

1127
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: never mind, we mixed up your blood, like oh my god,

1128
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: and then they didn't call the critical value to your

1129
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: midwife after you had the baby, when you were having

1130
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: a potential medical emergency. Like I swear I hear stories

1131
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: like this all the time that I'm just like so

1132
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: many people really were a hair away from being severely

1133
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: injured or dead. But Marie is not gonna have to

1134
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: deal with this because I am a raging psycho.

1135
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. They were like, they were like, are you interested

1136
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: in looking into a duela? And I was like, don't worry.

1137
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: My mom was like the craziest advocate going on my life.

1138
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna be videoing me the whole time to get

1139
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: some content about what a psycho I am. But I

1140
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: think you had a hard enough time getting pregnant, so like,

1141
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: hopefully everything will just you deserve the smooth delivery. See,

1142
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: maybe it's opposite because I got pregnant so easily that

1143
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: like it was like, nah, you're not You're not getting

1144
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: out of this unharmed, like having this terrible birth.

1145
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation in my public floor therapy

1146
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago because I was like, I

1147
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: want to try to prepare myself as best as I

1148
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: can for natural birth, but I also totally understand things

1149
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: aren't gonna go my way and I could have a

1150
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: c section or whatever. And she was like, well, this

1151
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: is a fresh mentality because people come in here and

1152
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: they're just like, this is what I'm doing and I'm

1153
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: not doing it any other way, and they're not prepared

1154
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: for like they will not except that things could go

1155
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: wrong or things could go off plan, and then they

1156
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: start spiraling out about it mentally, and I'm totally expecting

1157
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: it to not go smooth, but hope it does, you

1158
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1159
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: Like I'm telling you right now. When uh, like I

1160
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: when I went into have Lucia, I had I had

1161
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: met with anesthesiology because of the bots job I had

1162
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: with Lilian that I specifically met with them and told

1163
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: them the problems I had that time and all the

1164
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: complications I had from that botch thing. And I walked

1165
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: in there wanting to have an epidoral and I did

1166
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: not get one on the third time. And you just

1167
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: we just met with Christina, our friend Christina this week,

1168
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: who literally had the same exact problem, like, went into

1169
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: the hospital. They told her she wasn't as far as

1170
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: long as she or you know, in labor, as she

1171
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: thought she was, and she wasn't able to get anesthesia

1172
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: because she wasn't brought up to the room fast enough

1173
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: to get it. So walking in and thinking like it's

1174
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: perfect to go in there and say, like if I

1175
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: could get this, I'll get it, but like go in

1176
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: there thinking that you're not going to get it.

1177
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: Well exactly, And I love my prenatal care team, So

1178
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with like them or anything. I'm

1179
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: just like the way everything goes in our life, and

1180
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: like what if I get there too late, what if

1181
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm not close to the hospital when I share going

1182
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: in labor, whatever, There's a million things could happen, so

1183
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: you just gotta Prae is also under this assumption that

1184
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: you just go into labor, and like I'm like, especially

1185
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: with your first baby, and even like like this happened

1186
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: with you, but it also happened when I had Lilian,

1187
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: like when you when you go. I went into labor

1188
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: with Lilian at seven o'clock in the morning and didn't

1189
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: have her till seven at night, just like like I

1190
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: could have worked a whole shift in between then like

1191
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: it's a lot of time, Like it doesn't it doesn't

1192
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 1: fall on you like that. And with Lucha I would

1193
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: say the same exact thing, like I woke up and

1194
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: I started having fluid squirt out in the morning, and

1195
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: I went to the doctor and they told me that

1196
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: I was not ready yet, and then I came home

1197
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: and they said, like, it's gonna be a.

1198
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: While, don't come back. Don't come back, And my contractions

1199
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: were getting stronger and stronger, but I didn't go back

1200
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: quick enough because I was scared that they were gonna

1201
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: send me home again, and I didn't want to waste

1202
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: the hour drive, so I just sat here and then

1203
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was like, oh my god,

1204
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: this is this is happening. But it still wasn't very fast.

1205
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: Like if I would have been taken seriously the first

1206
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: time I went, I wouldn't have had such a close

1207
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: call like that, you know. So you have to realize

1208
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: that they give, they deliver so many babies every single day.

1209
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: Like when you walk in, it's like you and you

1210
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: don't know when you're walking in. It might be the

1211
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: middle of the night or whatever, and it depends who's

1212
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: on shift and who's there and how busy they are.

1213
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: So for example, the night that I had Lillian Saint

1214
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: Patrick's day, like every baby decided to come out that day,

1215
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: and I had to have a doctor from another practice,

1216
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: not even the doctor, like you know, you go to

1217
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: a practice with all those doctors. No, a doctor from

1218
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: a completely other practice delivered Lilian because they were too busy. So,

1219
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: like you, I think having a plan is the worst plan.

1220
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: You just listen, and this is taking everything in my

1221
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: body to understand this isn't happening because like you know

1222
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: how I am, so I'm.

1223
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: Just like in a dream world.

1224
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: It would be like I know exactly what date and

1225
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: time of going in and everything. I just know that's

1226
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: not how it's gonna be. So you just gotta like

1227
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: let that go.

1228
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: They they just do such a disservice. Like I was

1229
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: telling you this the other day. They all of these

1230
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: classes that I went to ahead of time. Was just

1231
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: like make sure you have a bag packed by the door,

1232
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: like by the door, like like it just falls upon you,

1233
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: like right now, I'm like, oh my god, We're I'm

1234
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: leaving right now. I gotta go to the hospital. Like

1235
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: it's so outrageous. You have time to pack a bag.

1236
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: Okay, well I'm gonna pack a bag because regardless when

1237
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: I go on vacation. I pack my bag a week early.

1238
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: That's the way I am in my brain, so like

1239
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: it's that's what's happen.

1240
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: It's so absurd that they act like it needs to

1241
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: be like ready to go.

1242
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: Like oh, and everybody's new thing is telling me that

1243
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm everyone and their mother. You're gonna go them on thoroughly,

1244
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: that's everybody's new thing. I'm like, cool, I don't need

1245
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: to hear that. I don't need to hear your stories.

1246
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna happen when it's gonna happen. People say

1247
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: the weirdest things to pregnant people. It's like unbelievable. At

1248
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: our family Christmas party, everyone was telling me stories about

1249
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: people they knew that died in childbirth.

1250
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: I was like, what is happening? It's so weird.

1251
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: All right, but not you, but not but not you,

1252
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: not you, but this happened.

1253
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: To some so all right.

1254
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: Last question is what made you pursue IVF instead of

1255
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: adoption or serrerogacy. I guess multiple factors. I mean, it

1256
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: was really important to me that I tried to carry

1257
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: my own child because I wanted to experience going through pregnancy,

1258
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: especially because of how long it took me to get pregnant,

1259
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: and like anybody that's gone through IVF for infertility knows

1260
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: how emotionally draining it is on you for.

1261
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: A very long time.

1262
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: So the fact that I was luckily able to get

1263
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: pregnant and stay pregnant was huge for me, and like

1264
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: I very much. You know, there's days where it's harder

1265
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: than others and everything, but like, I enjoy being pregnant.

1266
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool when I feel I'm kicking,

1267
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's like kind of an awesome thing.

1268
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: But I guess it's like I considered, you know, I

1269
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: had to talk with my husband, like I didn't get

1270
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: a lot of eggs from my egg retrieval if you

1271
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: guys are grocery members. I got onto all the details

1272
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: of that in my IVF dis section I wrote up

1273
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: in I think November. So I was like, if this

1274
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: isn't in the cards for me, or like I can't

1275
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: carry the baby, Like I don't think it's surrogate's ever

1276
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna be an option for me. There's so much money, like,

1277
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: so that's that's a huge component with the surrogate, right,

1278
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: And then you get into talking about like if we

1279
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: can't do this ourselves, or are we gonna consider adoption?

1280
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: And I think our mindset was like if it gets there,

1281
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: then we'll talk, then we'll talk about it, you know

1282
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, But it's like a lot of

1283
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: getting ahead of yourself. Yeah, but I always knew in

1284
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: my case, I wanted to try to do it if

1285
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: I could. But I mean, money is a big factor

1286
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: and all of it. Adoption's really expensive too because you

1287
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: have to get lawyers and there's a million other factors too,

1288
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: so you have to think about that, and then just

1289
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: the importance of carrying my own child. But I was

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Speaker 1: also getting to a place where I was gonna accept

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Speaker 1: if that would be my fate. But no matter what,

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Speaker 1: I was becoming a mother, no matter what that looked like.

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Speaker 2: So it was happening.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of it's just not getting ahead of

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Speaker 1: yourself when you're going through the process. It's very much

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Speaker 1: like I keep telling my friend that also went through IVF,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you just gotta be like, Okay, I got here,

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Speaker 1: and if I got this far, I could get this

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Speaker 1: far again, yeah, and then like take it one step

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Speaker 1: at a time, because like there's so much anxiety that

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Speaker 1: goes along with it. You're freaking out about everything, and

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Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, well, like God forbid something bad happens,

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Speaker 1: I could just get pregnant again right away. Like it's

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Speaker 1: like tens of thousands of dollars again, procedures again, medicine again,

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Speaker 1: like you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people could scrounge up the money to do IVF even

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Speaker 2: in any case. Yeah, I mean, like there's a person

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Speaker 2: can have a GoFundMe because they can't pay for their

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Speaker 2: taxes on their five million dollar ranch, and like, I

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Speaker 2: don't see why any person that doesn't have enough money

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Speaker 2: can't do something like that. I guess the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: with the IVF is it's that there's no guarantee, and

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Speaker 2: then if it doesn't work, you don't get any of

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Speaker 2: that money back. So it's a lot to ask of

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Speaker 2: your family and friends to chip in money to get together.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what the whole process is probably thirty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars if not more, right, or if you don't have

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Speaker 2: if you don't have health insurance or whatever. And I'm

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Speaker 2: sure most people could find enough people in their life

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Speaker 2: that would really like help them out and they could

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Speaker 2: do certain things, and like you said, there's grants to

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Speaker 2: apply for and such like that. But to get it

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Speaker 2: all done and it not work, it is just like

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Speaker 2: it's it's a lot. It's it's like a it's gambling,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't care saying it like it

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Speaker 1: costs me thirty thousand dollars just for the one round

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Speaker 1: of IVF. I mean this is not even including all

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Speaker 1: of the testing to get there, all of like the

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Speaker 1: surgery I had to have, Like that was just for

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Speaker 1: the egg retrieval, the transfer and the drugs. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: like there are programs out there, like the program I

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Speaker 1: use Kokaia Family. They do have a program if you

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Speaker 1: know you might have issues with the transfer, they have

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Speaker 1: an issue that's basically I think it covers three full

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Speaker 1: cycles and if you don't get pregnant, then they will

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Speaker 1: give you all your money back. But if you do

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Speaker 1: get pregnant, you are responsible for that money. So like

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Speaker 1: you got to think about stuff like that. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there's companies that'll.

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Speaker 2: Work with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's certain clinics that have similar programs that

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Speaker 1: are like if you go through all this and nothing works,

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Speaker 1: then you could get some money back and everything. But like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is a big gamble and every single step of

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Speaker 1: the way is very expensive. But there I got a grant, luckily.

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Speaker 1: There's grants for adoptions, there's grants for surrogacies. You just

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Speaker 1: got to do a lot of research. Yeah, like competitive

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Speaker 1: you have.

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Speaker 2: To do it, like Maria had to do a lot

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Speaker 2: of work for it to get to be able to

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Speaker 2: get those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not easy, Like I mean, I'm talking hours

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Speaker 1: of research. You gotta find there's national grants, there's local grants.

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Speaker 1: You have to fill out a lot of forms. You

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Speaker 1: have to like talk about your story. You have to

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Speaker 1: be very open when this is a very private thing

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Speaker 1: and some people aren't comfortable getting into all the nitty

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Speaker 1: gritty details. So it's a very personal experience. But like

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Speaker 1: there's things you can do and they're not always easy,

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Speaker 1: but there are resources out there. So all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: we have our City Vineyard show this Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We're very excited for that. A lot of our friends

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Speaker 2: say who's going? No?

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