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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul Anka.

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Speaker 2: And my name is Skip Bronson.

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Speaker 3: We've been friends for decades and we've decided to let

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Speaker 3: you in on our late night phone calls by starting

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Speaker 3: a new podcast, and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet some

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Speaker 1: real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: Your leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 3: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 3: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was a great life with Holly from the

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Speaker 4: start in nineteen seventy seven up until his passing, obviously,

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Speaker 4: but a great public life with him as well, having

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Speaker 4: been able to do all those interviews and have such

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Speaker 4: close proximity and to just learned so much from him,

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Speaker 4: see how he treated people, have so much fun with

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Speaker 4: all the magic tricks that he did, and just a

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Speaker 4: lifetime of experiences. And I love him, I'm grateful to him.

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget him. You'd just always being a special

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Speaker 4: thing in my heart that you know. It was like

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Speaker 4: hitting the lottery.

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Speaker 5: How was dinner? Dinner was great?

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Speaker 6: And thanks for calling me just before I decided to

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Speaker 6: close my eyes.

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Speaker 5: You closing your eyes. That could have it at any

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Speaker 5: moment in twenty four hours, your early bird. You know what.

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Speaker 6: I can never nap. You know, I always admire people

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Speaker 6: who can nap. They can take a power nap and

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Speaker 6: they wake up and they're refreshed. I literally can never nap,

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Speaker 6: can't sleep on a plane, can't nap.

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Speaker 5: I'm there, I'm there with you. But you will as

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Speaker 5: you get older. Watch you hate you, don't haties. I

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Speaker 5: want to get older. That's part of the layer. You

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Speaker 5: know what I realized my last birthday. I didn't think

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Speaker 5: that getting older came so fast, very pissed off. How

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Speaker 5: you like it? Football man, we're getting there, aren't we? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I know, getting getting ready. We had before his preseason

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Speaker 6: in the works, and you and I are gonna talk

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Speaker 6: to getting our pits from James Carville on one end,

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Speaker 6: and then your guys in Vegas on the other end,

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Speaker 6: and we're gonna figure out what to do and we're

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Speaker 6: gonna bust them.

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Speaker 5: There's our guests coming up, mister sportsman Jim Gray.

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Speaker 6: How excited he's interviewed everybody. I mean, he's had a

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Speaker 6: long career in his mid sixties. We not only football

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Speaker 6: and sports and all of that look good and deella,

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Speaker 6: he said Armstrong John Glenn Garba Chev. I mean he's

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Speaker 6: mixed the pot up. I can't wait because you have

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Speaker 6: so many stories, you know, with Ali, and he has

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Speaker 6: some rather amazing Ali stories. So to be fun for

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Speaker 6: the two of you to sort of banter a little

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Speaker 6: bit about the great Muhammad Ali Andy and then Mike Tyson. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and Tyson fifty eight years old and still going at it.

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Speaker 6: He has that big exhibition fight coming up with Jake Paul.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They think that's going to set records in terms of

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Speaker 6: you know, the number one's watch it. So, you know,

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Speaker 6: I want to get his take on what they're like

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Speaker 6: away from sports. It's I mean, we know what Ali accomplished,

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Speaker 6: we know what Tyson did, and the irony of it

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Speaker 6: is they're two totally different people, but there are I

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Speaker 6: believe some similarities as well. So I think to talk

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Speaker 6: to him about the human side of these guys will

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Speaker 6: be fun. And he just came back from the Olympics,

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Speaker 6: so he'll be able to talk, like to hear his

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Speaker 6: take on how he thinks they did in pair is

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Speaker 6: in terms of staging it and everything house and talk

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is absolutely everywhere. So I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 5: I think would be very informal. He's a smart guy

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Speaker 5: and he's he's an icon and what he does.

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Speaker 6: He wrote a best selling book, Talking to Goats, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and Tyson's all over the first chapter. And then of

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Speaker 6: course he and Tom Brady have this podcast that's that's

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Speaker 6: done very well, so he certainly knows this business. There's

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Speaker 6: an interesting interview. It'd be hard to hard to hold

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Speaker 5: But you know, it never happens with us, very rarely, doesn't.

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Speaker 5: We have more than enough good stuff, good problem to have.

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Speaker 5: But I'm looking forward to it. So, were you itching

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Speaker 5: to get back on the road. Yeah, you know, busy.

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Speaker 5: We're doing the dock promotion. Now, where is that gonna

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Speaker 5: burst appear in the Toronto Film Festival. Yeah, we're premiering

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Speaker 5: in there at a big theater. When is that September? Oh,

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Speaker 5: that's so oh wow. Yeah, that's right around the corner.

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Speaker 5: So I'm looking forward to that. And then I start.

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Speaker 5: I had to road October, November and January and then

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Speaker 5: Florida and februarymast. You know, I love getting out there.

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Speaker 5: I just it's my rest period. When I'm on that stage.

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Speaker 5: Nothing bothers you on, no phone calls, nothing. He's doing

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Speaker 5: what you love. I know you love it. And then

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Speaker 5: getting back to the dock because you know you showed

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Speaker 5: it to me. You know, I've seen segments of it. Jesus,

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Speaker 5: it's really good. I have to say, it's really a good documentary.

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Speaker 5: Thank you a lot of it. Since I said that

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Speaker 5: you it's going to work in progress, morphing it. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's the first time I'm sick of looking at myself

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Speaker 5: and those things. But well, we're gonna finish it up

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Speaker 5: and you know, we'll see what happens. It was good.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun, good people working with it,

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Speaker 5: and it was cathartic to say the least. Right right,

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Speaker 5: all right, my boy, all right, brother, all my boy,

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Speaker 5: get some sleep and dianks talk and I lived Eadie

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Speaker 5: and we'll see you next week have our usual break

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Speaker 5: bread session. Talk to you.

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Speaker 2: So there's the man right there, there he is. Man.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing, Jim?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Great, good to see you, Paul Skipper? How hard you pal?

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Speaker 2: I'm all right.

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Speaker 1: Well we got you on the other side of the fence. Man,

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Speaker 1: you and Brak you're usually wrapping it up pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna get nailed today.

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Speaker 2: Nicely.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, I'm doing great? Thank you. Where are

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Speaker 4: you today?

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Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles. Skippy is about twelve miles away.

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Speaker 4: And where are you in the palace?

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Speaker 2: Eight? Oh?

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Speaker 1: So you're a neighbor to all of us.

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Speaker 4: Local local, Yes, sir, Do.

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Speaker 1: You remember the first time we met? Because I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've had such an amazing.

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Speaker 4: Career and you've I met you.

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Speaker 1: You've went, that's right, Steve Win's office next time. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember Yellowstone?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 4: Do they look like I'm not paying attention, mister Eka.

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Speaker 1: No, No, You're always paying attention. I've seen you on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the battle and the ring with some

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Speaker 7: Well, Jim and I have known each other forty years.

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Speaker 7: Sorry to hear that The thing that's funny is our

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Speaker 7: producer Jordan, who's not on today but whenever we have

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Speaker 7: a guest, of course, and you've got your own podcast,

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Speaker 7: so you know, talking to you about how to run

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Speaker 7: a podcast sort of funny. But he, you know, always

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Speaker 7: sends us some questions like these are topics that you

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Speaker 7: should talk about whatever. And I'm lait of myself because

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Speaker 7: this is one of the only podcasts that we've done

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Speaker 7: so far where I don't even have to look at

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Speaker 7: the questions because I've got so much history with you.

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Speaker 7: It's just so many funny things. But I think at

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Speaker 7: one thing out of the way quickly. My daughter Bella

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Speaker 7: wanted me to remind you that you took us to

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Speaker 7: the Floyd Mayweather birthday party and they had tigers and

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Speaker 7: the giant ice carvings and the whole and what an

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Speaker 7: extravagnswer that was.

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Speaker 4: You're the Staples Center in that in that hotel.

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Speaker 2: Hilarious she saw.

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Speaker 7: She said, yeah, they have tigers here walking around, and.

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Speaker 2: Bella, without a doubt, not even in the.

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Speaker 4: Entire building I'm talking about.

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Speaker 7: There were thousands of people, really something. It was a

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Speaker 7: hell of a party, a lot of fun I.

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Speaker 1: Hear this guy's a prankster just like us.

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Speaker 2: Skip.

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Speaker 4: He is not like you. I've heard about you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all True told.

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Speaker 4: Me something the ones that you did it. Steve told

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Speaker 4: me of one you did too.

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Speaker 1: Steve, one of twelve. But I want to hear about Jim,

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Speaker 1: so I want to hear what he does. I want

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Speaker 1: to see if he's up on my Did you ever

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Speaker 1: pull anything on Skip?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 7: But one thing he did pull which wasn't a prank,

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Speaker 7: and it's one of our favorite stories that we have together.

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Speaker 7: As our mutual friend, the late Mel Simon was very

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Speaker 7: important in both of our lives. And of course Jim

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Speaker 7: and I we wrestle over who's closer to herb Simon

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Speaker 7: between the two of us. But Mel was such a kook,

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Speaker 7: and he was such a golf fanatic. And you know, Paul,

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Speaker 7: some billionaires they'd build their own nine hole golf course

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Speaker 7: at their home. Others built an eighteen whole golf course. Well,

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Speaker 7: Mel built a twenty seven whole golf course his property

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Speaker 7: in Indianapolis, and Jim and I went there to play it.

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Speaker 7: And we went in the garage and Jim said, seen

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Speaker 7: anything like this? I said, never in my life, and

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Speaker 7: I've been a golfer all my life.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen it like this.

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Speaker 7: He had more sets of clubs, Paul in this garage

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Speaker 7: than they have at the Roger Dunn Golf Superstory. You've

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Speaker 7: never seen anything like it. And two days after we

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Speaker 7: played mel what there?

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Speaker 2: You know? Went out to play golf and he calls

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Speaker 4: Yeah, your trench and right, what about?

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Speaker 7: He stalled like clubs? I said, what what are you

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Speaker 7: talking like? He's stalled like clubs?

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Speaker 4: My clubs.

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Speaker 7: I had a set of Yanak sirns, and they're gone.

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Speaker 7: He must have taken him. I said, what are you crazy?

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Speaker 7: The last he's got his own golf clubs. What does

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Speaker 7: he need your clubs for? And by the way, you've

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Speaker 7: got thousands of golf clubs. How would you even know?

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Speaker 7: He was just one of the great characters.

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Speaker 4: There must have been seven hundred golf clubs in there.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Skip had given me a set

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Speaker 4: of Yannis, but I don't travel with them to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: During the NBA Finals, out there and Larry walked through

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Speaker 4: the fence, he had the same fence line playing with

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Speaker 4: this golf. Skip calls me, he says, did you take

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Speaker 4: those golf clubs back to Los Angeles? I said, Skip,

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Speaker 4: I have not checked a bag for the last twenty

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Speaker 4: two years on the airlines, and the last one I

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Speaker 4: checked they're still looking for. So no, without without question,

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Speaker 4: I do not have this man's golf clubs, and I think.

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Speaker 2: They're on the golf cart.

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Speaker 1: I just left Dennis Washington. He's got an island up

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Speaker 4: from an internship very quickly, and they were paying me

436
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Speaker 4: fifteen thousand dollars. Fifteen thousand dollars to me in nineteen

437
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Speaker 4: seventy seven was more money than I thought I'd have

438
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Speaker 4: the rest of my life, because I bought a car

439
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Speaker 4: for two thousand dollars, a gold Toyota Corolla, and then

440
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Speaker 4: I would buy a keg of beer for everybody in

441
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Speaker 4: the dorm on my haull on Friday nights. And I

442
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 4: still had and I still would have twelve eight hundred

443
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Speaker 4: dollars left at the end of the year. This was

444
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Speaker 4: a lot of money. So I was a videotape editor.

445
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Speaker 4: What happened was I would come into the station early

446
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Speaker 4: to edit the sports videotape. And I was there at

447
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Speaker 4: seven am one morning and in come running the bureau

448
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Speaker 4: assignment editor station assignment editor. Her name was Sue Two's

449
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 4: and she said, you know something about sports? She were

450
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Speaker 4: the sports intern. I said yeah. She said, Muhammad Ali's

451
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Speaker 4: at two hours early at Stapleton International Airport, go interview. Well,

452
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Speaker 4: I was dressed worse than this. I had jeans and

453
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Speaker 4: a T shirt on. You know, it wasn't dressed very well.

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Speaker 4: I was in a cubicle edited booth. Cubicles were very

455
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Speaker 4: very small, and so I was in there and I

456
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Speaker 4: was getting ready for the Broncos draft and I was

457
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Speaker 4: editing something with Their coach at the time was a

458
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Speaker 4: man named Red Miller. He took him to their first

459
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. So she came running in. He said, Stapleton

460
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Speaker 4: International Airport, go interview. I'd never done an interview before

461
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Speaker 4: in my life. I never thought about doing an interview

462
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Speaker 4: before in my life. I'd watch Howard Cosell and I'd

463
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Speaker 4: watch all of these guys. But you know, so now,

464
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Speaker 4: back then there's no cell phones, there's no beepers if

465
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Speaker 4: the reporter wasn't available at seven am, if they're in

466
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Speaker 4: the shower, if they're eating breakfast, if they're out for

467
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Speaker 4: a run. There was nobody there, so I was the

468
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Speaker 4: only one in the station. So I went out there

469
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Speaker 4: and there was Ali. There was about twenty people in

470
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Speaker 4: the room, and I asked my first question and he said,

471
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Speaker 4: you're doing this interview you don't even shape and everybody

472
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Speaker 4: started to laugh. Well that really relaxed me, and you know,

473
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Speaker 4: it was funny. By the third or fourth question, he said,

474
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Speaker 4: you sound like the local Howard Cosell, and that was

475
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Speaker 4: the nicest compliment I'd added in my life. So he

476
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Speaker 4: gave me forty five minutes, forty five.

477
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Speaker 1: Minute, forty five minutes wow.

478
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Speaker 4: Getting ready to fight Leon Spinks in their first fight,

479
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 4: and that he was upset. Then after that he was

480
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Speaker 4: going to fight a man named Lyle l Alzado in

481
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Speaker 4: Denver who was at Denver Bronco in an exhibition. Well

482
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Speaker 4: that's why he had come through Denver and he was early.

483
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Speaker 4: So we did forty five minutes and we talked about

484
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Speaker 4: everything and it went great, and I came back to

485
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Speaker 4: the station to edit myself out because they're not going

486
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Speaker 4: to put me on the news. I'm seventeen years old.

487
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Speaker 4: I've never done it. So I was just editing myself out.

488
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Speaker 4: The head of the bureau, the head of the station,

489
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Speaker 4: a man named Roger Ogden, came into the booths, and

490
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Speaker 4: Roger didn't even know my name. And he looked at

491
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Speaker 4: this tape for forty five minutes and he said, play

492
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Speaker 4: that again. So we looked at it for an hour

493
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Speaker 4: and a half and he got up and he said, Jim,

494
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Speaker 4: you and this videotape are going on the air. It's

495
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Speaker 4: barely adequate. Barely adequate. So somehow, some way, Paul and

496
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Speaker 4: Skip when I got into the Boxing Hall of Fame

497
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Speaker 4: forty years later and then into the Basketball Hall of

498
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Speaker 4: Fame forty two years later, I said, somehow barely ended

499
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Speaker 4: up here. So they took that tape and put it

500
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Speaker 4: on the air. And back in the days, ABC stations

501
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Speaker 4: were all connected by cable, by cabling AT and T

502
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Speaker 4: and so forth, and they put this on ABC and

503
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Speaker 4: then they had df ABC daily electronic feed where the

504
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Speaker 4: stations would connect and send their best in. Well, there

505
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 4: was a man by the name you remember, Frank Reynolds,

506
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Speaker 4: he anchored World News Tonight, and Frank Reynolds saw Ali

507
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 4: having fun with a seventeen year old young kid, so

508
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Speaker 4: he put it on World News Tonight. Ali saw that

509
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Speaker 4: when he got to Houston, his next stop, and saw

510
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: how much fun had got in the reaction that had

511
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: got and so then he had me come interview and

512
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Speaker 4: before and after each of his remaining fights for the

513
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Speaker 4: rest of his career. Don King saw it, Bob Aaron

514
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Speaker 4: saw it. So they hired me as a very young man,

515
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Speaker 4: and that was the start of my career. It was

516
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Speaker 4: all because of Ali. And make a long story short,

517
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Speaker 4: Ali let me do his last interview ever on television.

518
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Speaker 4: The last time he ever spoke to the public was

519
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: in two thousand and four. Was his last television interview.

520
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: I called Lannie and Muhammad, and we took Muhammad with

521
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Speaker 4: Mary Lourettin, who revolutionized women's sports with her nineteen eighty

522
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Speaker 4: four performance, Ray Leonard, who pattered his whole life sugar

523
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Speaker 4: Ray Leonard, after Ali, and Carl Lewis, who to this

524
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Speaker 4: day is still the most decorated track and field athlete

525
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 4: in the history of the Olympics, and the four of

526
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 4: us went up to the Stanford Pool four nights before

527
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Speaker 4: Michael Phelps left for Athens Grease. He had not won

528
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Speaker 4: a medal yet and he didn't feel that he belonged

529
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Speaker 4: on the show. He is now the most decorated athlete

530
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Speaker 4: in the history of the Olympics with I believe twenty

531
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Speaker 4: three gold medals and twenty nine medals overall. And so

532
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: now they play that show back every year. But that

533
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Speaker 4: was the last show that Ali ever did. And in

534
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Speaker 4: the final segment of the show, we had these torches

535
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: flown in. Ali had lit the torch obviously in Atlanta.

536
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Speaker 4: We had the torches flown in from Athens, and Ali

537
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: got up and said, and these were the last words

538
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Speaker 4: he ever uttered in public on television. He said, I'm

539
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Speaker 4: the greatest, You're the latest. Go win all those medals.

540
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Speaker 4: It's up to you. And he handed the torch to

541
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Speaker 4: Michael Phelps.

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Speaker 1: Great story.

543
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Speaker 4: So it was a great life with Ali from the

544
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Speaker 4: start in nineteen seventy seven up until his passing, obviously,

545
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Speaker 4: but a great public life with him as well, having

546
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Speaker 4: been able to do all those interviews and have such

547
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: close proximity and to just learn so much from him,

548
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: see how he treated people, have so much fun with

549
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Speaker 4: all the magic tricks that he did, and just a

550
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Speaker 4: lifetime of experiences. And I love him. I'm grateful to him.

551
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: I'll never forget him. I love Lonnie and it just

552
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 4: always be a special thing in my heart that it

553
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: was like hitting the lottery, but literally was like hitting

554
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 4: the lottery one and one hundred million chants of the

555
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Speaker 4: circumstance and the confluence of events that would take place

556
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Speaker 4: to intertwine this web was just the luckiest thing ever.

557
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Speaker 1: I'm surrounded with memorabilia for these past sixty some years,

558
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: and you know, like behind me, I treasured this picture

559
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: with Bobby Hull Gretzky or right behind it all signed right,

560
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: and I've got all over there, some big hockey nut.

561
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: You must have all kinds of stuff. What's the most precious,

562
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: what's the most meaningful piece of memorability? Because we live

563
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: in that world today from baseball cards, I mean, it's

564
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: such a big business today, and I'm always curious who

565
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: the collectors are. What do you have that means a

566
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Speaker 1: lot to you?

567
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Speaker 4: Well, I have so much, believe it or not. Last

568
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: time I saw you was at the Fountain Blue Hotel.

569
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: That's right. And when Jeffrey and Donnie Sofer opened it

570
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: up in Las Vegas, beautiful, beautiful facility, and Tom Brady

571
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Speaker 4: and myself for opening up a museum called the Hall

572
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: of Excellence. Going to open up just after the first

573
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Speaker 4: of the year, and it's going to have all the

574
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 4: great sports memorabilia in our country's history, in the world's history,

575
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: all of Tom's rings and jerseys, all the stuff that

576
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: I've collected over the years, gloves that Ali gave me

577
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: from his fight, his last Rowe Jordan's shoes from his

578
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: first championship, and it's all going into the Fountain Blue

579
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: Hotel called the Hall of Excellence, the gim and fran

580
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: Gray tom Brady Family Collection Hall of Excellence, and really

581
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: really proud of this. But what we've done, Tom calls

582
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: it the Smithsonian of Sports Memorabilia. What we've done is

583
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: get all of this stuff out of people's safe deposit boxes,

584
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: out of people's warehouses, all the stuff that people you know,

585
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: are selling at auction, and we're going to display in

586
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: the hotel. Kids will be free and we're going to

587
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 4: try and inspire the next generation. So we have some

588
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: things for everybody. We have Simone Biles first Gold Medal Leotard.

589
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: We have a trophy from everything that is competed for

590
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: in life, Paul, everything that you can think of is

591
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: competed for in life. We have Clint Eastwood's Academy Award,

592
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: Oprah Winfrey's Medal of Freedom. We have Ernie els Claric Jug,

593
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: Tom Weiskoff's Claret Jug. We have Jack Nicholas's Master's Trophy.

594
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: We have Adam Silver gave us the O'Brien Trophy, Bill

595
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: Belichick's Lombardi Trophy, you name it, we have it in their.

596
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: Pete Sampras has given us as Wimbledon Trophy, his US

597
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: Open Trophy, the Wimbledon dish from Steffi Graff and Andre Agassi,

598
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: the Aces Championship trophy from Las Vegas. You name it,

599
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: we've got it in here. And justin Timberlake's first Grammy.

600
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: So what we're trying to do is allow everybody to

601
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: come in. We have the Triple Crown horse Racing from

602
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: Augie Phipps and from the Churchill Downs winning colors. So

603
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: if you come in here, you're gonna see something and

604
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: you're going to be inspired by somebody. Jordan's shoes from

605
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: his first championship Jordan's first pair of air Jordan's Babe

606
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: roots bat from his calt shot. So we have the

607
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: first all from Tiger Woods winning the Masters. So when

608
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: you say what do I have, that's a favorite. All

609
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: of these things were given to me over the course

610
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: of years, and then we have on loan from many

611
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: of these athletes to participate. We have the torch. We

612
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: just got the torch from Janet Evans who lit all

613
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: these torch that very famous scene. Janet Evans one of

614
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: the great great swimmers in history of the swimming gold

615
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: medalist obviously in Atlanta and Barcelona, and she has agreed

616
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: to loan it to us. We have something for everybody.

617
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 4: Katie Lidnecki, Katie Lidecki sent us when she just broke

618
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: the championship, but the World World Championships. She sent us

619
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Speaker 4: her goggle and cap, the USA cap and the whole thing.

620
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: So it's really got to be something. And obviously Tom

621
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: has seven rings and all of his jerseys.

622
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: And did Peter Arnell have anything to do with putting.

623
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Speaker 5: It all together?

624
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: Oh yes, Peter. Peter been spectacular. Peter just been great.

625
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Peter designed building and in charge of our design for

626
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: the Hall of excellence. He is, you know, found you

627
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: know all the folks with the bulletproof glass and beautiful

628
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: marble that you know decorates the entire fountain blue. So

629
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: Peter's been great, Jeffrey Sulfer has been terrific in everything,

630
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: and we're just really looking forward to it. And you know,

631
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 4: there's fifty million view or fifty million visitors that come

632
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: to Las Vegas, and a lot of them come to

633
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: that convention center. You know, we're going to give somebody

634
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: something to come and see and it's a shared experience,

635
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: whether you're a grandfather with a son, or whether you're

636
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: just a fan of a team, or whether we're gonna

637
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: have rotating exhibits. We're going to have. The Basketball Hall

638
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: of Fame is helping us. Obviously, the Pro Football Hall

639
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: of Fame in Canton, Ohio has been great and giving

640
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: us the stuff that we'll be able to rotate in

641
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: to keep things fresh. FIFA out of Switzerland, the World

642
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: Cup coming, we'll have a lot of great soccer items

643
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: and what they call football obviously. The golf, the World

644
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: Golf Hall of Fame, which just moved to Pinehurst in

645
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: the USGA will also have the US Open trophy from

646
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: the USGA. So we're going to have just things that rotate.

647
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: And and Peter has been, Peter's been just Peter's a genius.

648
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: There's nobody like Peter Arnell.

649
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: No, he is unbelievable what he's done now.

650
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: He set this whole thing up in motion. He works

651
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: with Tom, he works with with me, and he's been

652
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: with the hotel. And I love Peter and I can't

653
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: They can't tell you how great the folks over at

654
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: the Fountain Blue have been. Jeffrey Sofer, Maurice, all the

655
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: folks over there, Jessica, they're just terrific. Mike Pappus, well, we.

656
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: Wish him well.

657
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: And I know you Starles there, you opened the hotel

658
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: and you've had a long association with them as well.

659
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 5: Well.

660
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I've known the family for a long time and I

661
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: opened it with Justin and I wish him well. You know,

662
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: it's a tough racket and I'm putting a casino in

663
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: a casino hotel, and I think it's going to do

664
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: very well. It's a nice property and Arnail's doing a

665
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: great job with it.

666
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty four, Gary Hallberg and I won the

667
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 7: Greater Hertford Open golf tournament. I have the trophy, but

668
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 7: something tells me it won't make the cut if I

669
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 7: were to send that over.

670
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: That's very funny.

671
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 7: Totally true, but pivoting back to all ages for a second.

672
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 7: So he was also a prankster, right, he used to

673
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 7: Did he ever prank you ever?

674
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

675
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: My god, yeah, yep, one time. Do you guys remember

676
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: a little Joe? And he used to have law Familia

677
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: on Cannon, Yes, And it was a great Italian restaurant

678
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: and it was pretty notable for its food because the

679
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: food was great, but it was also known because every

680
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: night Dean Martin would be in there basically many times

681
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: by himself, and you sit by himself and very friendly

682
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: to everybody, but he'd be in there. So anyway, so

683
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: he'd been sitting by himself. Then he had a cocktail

684
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: in front of him obviously, and so anyway, So my

685
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: dad would come to Los Angeles quite frequently, and so

686
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: we were going to Law Familiar and Ali was in

687
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 4: town and I said, Mom, would please come buy it

688
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: and have dinner with us. I want you to spend

689
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: some time and meet my dad after all these years,

690
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: and so he said sure, Great, he was willing to

691
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: do it. So we went to dinner and we ate,

692
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 4: and Ali didn't show up, and nobody had cell phones

693
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: or anything back then, so that he didn't call the

694
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: restaurantor anything. He got busy and my dad was disappointed.

695
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: But we finally decided where we're going to go. So

696
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: we went out and left. I went to hand the

697
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: guy the valet thing, and I gave him a ten

698
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: dollar bill. Ten dollar bill at nineteen eighty three was

699
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: pretty good thing to hand the guy. You know, it

700
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 4: was probably three dollars to part the cars I gave

701
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: you got ten bucks. A black guy with a hat

702
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: on a mustache. You can do better than that, Tim

703
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: Gray that looked up.

704
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: I was just standing on.

705
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: My name was would you to do better than that?

706
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: How was the man going to make a living? It

707
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: was Ali. Ali had been the late, so he was

708
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: waiting for us outside. He had a fake mustache. He

709
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: always had to fake mustache, I don't want to say always,

710
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: but he'd have one dash and he had a pair

711
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: of glasses on that were his. And he took the

712
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 4: valet's hat and so anyway, he cranked me and my

713
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: dad and so we ended up standing out there for

714
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: about twenty or thirty minutes, and all Lee, to his credit,

715
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: everybody who came out, he went and got their car,

716
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: and every time he got there or when it was done,

717
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: he would take off the hat and take off the mustache.

718
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: He said, why you want to treat the champ like that?

719
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: Why you want to do why do you want to

720
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: do a man like that? Every one of them just

721
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 4: about fell down. It really, it just kind of spoke

722
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: to just the human that he was. One time we

723
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: were riding after I had done the interview, he asked

724
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: me to go on a part of his barnt storming

725
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: with him. And he was driving from Atlanta to Columbia,

726
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: South Carolina, And so we did the press conference in Atlanta,

727
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 4: and we got into a car and we went through

728
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: Augusta and we stopped and he did a press conference

729
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: there and Augusta, and we kept riding in the car

730
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: and I was good BUNDEENI was Ali was in the

731
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: front seat and this was a big Cadillac with the

732
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: top down, and in the back seat was Howard Bigham

733
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 4: and then me and Howard. They had taught how to

734
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 4: run a film camera, but he was basically a folk

735
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 4: You know he was a great photographer. So we're riding

736
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: by right along the border of Georgia and Carolina, and

737
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: we have to get off to get some gas, and

738
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: we get off and as we get off, we look

739
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: down off the side of the road there's a bunch

740
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: of kids playing basketball on dirt, not on pavement, on dirt.

741
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 4: And actually the basket, guys, the basket was a peach

742
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: barrel nailed to a tree and they were shooting a

743
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 4: basketball into no backboard. So alisis to Bandini, Jim Gray

744
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: watched this. Let's drive down here. So we drive down

745
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 4: there in this big white, big Cadillac with the thing

746
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 4: down wooded area in the middle of nowhere. I mean,

747
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: there's no buildings around, no anything, nothing, but there's maybe

748
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: fifteen kids, shirts and skins playing basketball, all black kids.

749
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 4: We drive down, nobody pays any attention. Ali gets out

750
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: of the car. Howard turn on that camera, and Howard

751
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 4: turns on the camera. The ball a few minutes later

752
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 4: rolls out to Ali and he picks it up. It

753
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: only hadn't noticed him up until that time. They just

754
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: kept playing. Picks up the ball and one of the

755
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: kids without his shirt on, comes running over looks at

756
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: Oli holding his ball, and you ever seen those You

757
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: ever seen those cartoons where the eye is like with

758
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: the toothpicks and it goes straight up and the eye

759
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: is just getting wider and wider and wider and wider

760
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: and wider, and he reaches out and he touches them

761
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: kind of light. Jesuys Ali. It's Ali. And all these

762
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: kids came running over fifteen kids when we started Skippy.

763
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 4: Fifteen kids, fifteen in the middle of nowhere, Ali shooting

764
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: baskets with them. Nobody has any pens, nobody has any cameras,

765
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 4: can't get any autograshket. But he'shooting baskets with them, and

766
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: Howard's recording it, and all this fifteen kids turns into

767
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, turns into fifty, fifty, turns into one hundred.

768
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: Now you can hear the mountains literally moving. This is

769
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere. You can hear they're coming down.

770
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: Almost unimaginable how many people showed up pretty soon. There

771
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: were chickens out on the court. People were coming and

772
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: their dogs. Turns into about five literally five six hundred

773
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: people in the middle of nowhere. Ali finally says, and

774
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: they had pens, and he signed the autographs, and he

775
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 4: tapped every kid on the head, and he shook every hand,

776
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: and he hugged every grandma and he did everything. And

777
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: you're wondering, where are all these people? Anyway, that's the

778
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: magnetism that he had. And he was great with him.

779
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: At about two hours there, we were late to Columbia.

780
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: By the time we left, it was like one of

781
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: those helicopters leaving Saigon. You know, you literally there were

782
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: people hanging on the trunk, on the hood. The whole

783
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: thing was a little scary because you didn't want somebody

784
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: to get hurt. That's how like they didn't want him

785
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: to leave. And how much adulation and love and and

786
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 4: just the magnetism and the graciousness and the gregariousness of him,

787
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: and he loved it and we all loved it, and

788
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: it was just it was just an amazing thing to see.

789
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: So we drive away and he's soaking wet, you know,

790
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: it's hot and everything. It says, you know, he you know,

791
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: he's in a nice clothes because he's doing press conferences,

792
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: so you know, they had to get some clothes out

793
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: and he changed and so forth. He says, who else

794
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 4: do you think can do that, Jim Gray, you think

795
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 4: that'll make your program?

796
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: I called you by your first and last name always

797
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: right then? As always?

798
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, I defy to disagree with this, but if

799
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: he walked down the street with Elvis Presley and Paul McCartney,

800
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: he would still get the number one position. That's how

801
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: loved this guy was. How did you Brady hook up

802
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: on a podcast?

803
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: How did that happen?

804
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: So?

805
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: I been doing the Monday night football on Westwood One

806
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: for a long time. My partner at that time was

807
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: Don Shula, and we had Mike Ditka was my other partner,

808
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 4: and so we would do the pregame and halftime segments.

809
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 4: So Don wanted to retire, and so I was at Riviera,

810
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: a golf course, and when I finished hitting golf balls,

811
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: they said, hey, your buddy Tom Brady is over with

812
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: his son. He was with his two or three year

813
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: old son Jack, over on the tennis court. So I

814
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: walked over and just said hi. I had interviewed Tom

815
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 4: numerous times, covered his games, worked at NBC, and broadcast

816
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: his Super Bowls on the radio. So we just started

817
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: talking for a few minutes. And he was still a

818
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 4: month or two away from going to training camp, and

819
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: he said, are you're going to be doing the show

820
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: this year? I said yeah. I said, matter of fact,

821
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 4: coach Schula wants to retire. Would you be interested in

822
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: picking up his spot? And he says, what does it entail?

823
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: And I said, well, it's every Monday night. I'm going

824
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: to have to do it eight or nine minutes in

825
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: the pre game and seven or eight minutes, ten minutes,

826
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes at the halftime. He said, let me think

827
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 4: about that, and I had had his numbers, so he

828
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: said to get in touch with me. So he got

829
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: back in touch with me a few days later and

830
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: he said, Tuck to Steve Dubit, my agent, and so

831
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: I talked to Dubit and we hooked up and that

832
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 4: was about two thousand and nine ten, maybe two thousand

833
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: and nine or ten, and so we've just continued to

834
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: do it.

835
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 7: When did the actual podcast start.

836
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: Well, it was a radio show and then we moved.

837
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: When we moved from Westwood One to Serious XM, we

838
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: went to an hour show instead of doing the pregame

839
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 4: and a halftime, and that showed to this day still

840
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: kind of acts as a sort of a pregame it's

841
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: on Mad Dog Sports Radio at six o'clock. Then it

842
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: goes over to NFL Radio at six thirty, and it

843
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 4: goes from six thirty to seven thirty before the national

844
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 4: coverage on Westwood One picks up with the game. So

845
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: we moved over there. This is our this is be

846
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: four years ago. We moved. And so when we we're

847
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 4: a radio show, you guys, and the radio show converts,

848
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: the content converts to a podcast, and so it's the

849
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: same content that goes out over NFL Radio and matt

850
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: Dog Sports Radio. It's just that there's the ability to

851
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: download it on Apple and Pandora and Spotify and everything else.

852
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: And you know, Tom Tom is so popular and you know,

853
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: he's quoted like the president. So everything that he says,

854
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: you know, people pick up and people here, and he

855
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 4: has a tremendous following. So the podcast, even though the

856
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 4: material comes out on Monday night, you know, people downloaded

857
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: for the rest of the week. And so, you know,

858
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 4: it's been been a lot of fun. And he's he's

859
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 4: a better human being than he ever was a quarterback.

860
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 4: And he's just been a pleasure to be with and

861
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: to work with and to have in our lives and

862
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 4: as a friend and truly truly love it. I really

863
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: love him. And Larry's been fantastic Larry Fitzgerald, So we

864
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: we've all been together for a long time.

865
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 7: You and Paul have so many different all these stories,

866
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 7: but what about the public persona of a guy like

867
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 7: Mike Tyson versus who he really is? Like I know

868
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 7: him a little bit, you know, you know him intimately,

869
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 7: But any similarities with Ali in terms of personality and

870
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 7: the way in terms of the way, you know, the

871
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 7: way they are in their private lives versus I remember,

872
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 7: I'll just throw out one thing. When I was in

873
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 7: Las Vegas and you know, working with Steve when and

874
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 7: went to a number of the Tyson fights, there was

875
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 7: always a you know, big party afterwards.

876
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: He was so menacing.

877
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 7: I mean, he was so different than than Ali.

878
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: Ali was just you know, beautiful.

879
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 7: Oddser you know, Tisse would come come charging out of

880
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 7: the corner right just like an animal, I mean literally

881
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 7: like an animal, and he was so fierce and after

882
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 7: he'd have his posse with him and he coded the

883
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 7: after party. He was the only guy I ever saw

884
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 7: in that kind of an environment where it was just

885
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 7: scary to even see him. He was just a frightening

886
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 7: kind of person. But I'm just curious in his real

887
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 7: in his personal life, where you also, you know, interacted

888
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 7: with him.

889
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: How did you find him?

890
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: You know, I love Mike and know Mike since he

891
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: was a very very young man, and been all over

892
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: the world with him in countless instances. And his life

893
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: has been a roller coaster. I mean, it's uh and

894
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 4: it you know, you just there's been a volatility to it.

895
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: And he's the most honest athlete I've ever been involved with.

896
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 4: He's dear friends. He takes his own medicine. Paul takes

897
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: his own medicine. He doesn't blame anybody for any of

898
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: his errors, for any of his vaults, for any of

899
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: the things that he's done wrong. He doesn't hide behind

900
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: the trainer, doesn't hide behind the promoter, doesn't blame anybody

901
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: for what he does wrong. And that's he takes accountability

902
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 4: and responsibility. Who does that? Which one named them? Where

903
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: are they? Where in public life do we have that?

904
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: Now?

905
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: You cannot condone a lot of the hideous behavior and

906
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: bad acts that he's done by the same token, he

907
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: is truly trying to be better tomorrow than he was yesterday,

908
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: and he truly thousands of acts of kindness that he

909
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 4: does not want publicity for and is not looking to

910
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: be pat on his head and told good man, good job.

911
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 4: That's not how he runs his life. And you know,

912
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 4: I just have tremendous admiration for him. I respect him.

913
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: You know, it's an interesting thing. I just have this here.

914
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: This is not meant to be a plug toward me

915
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: or anything. But I interviewed this man after he bit

916
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: another man's ear off. Every instance you can have, every

917
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: instance you can have, I've seen him. And so I

918
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: let two people read their chapters when I wrote my book,

919
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: because I wanted to make sure that what I was

920
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: saying they were okay with and that it didn't overstep

921
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: something personal, something personal. Mike Tyson wrote me a letter

922
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: when he was in jail. A five page letter came

923
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: to my house when he was in the Indiana State

924
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: Youth Peditentiary. I don't know how he had my address,

925
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: because we were not socially acquainted. We were professionally acquainted.

926
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: So I got this letter handwritten, and I still have

927
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 4: it to this day. And I got to page three

928
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: and he said, and it says and I'm quoting it,

929
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: mister Gray. They will kill my number tomorrow. Kill my

930
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 4: number is prison jargon for saying they'll let me out

931
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 4: of jail and kill the number of days that I

932
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: have left and my number as an inmate. Cool will

933
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 4: kill my number tomorrow if I will admit to this rape.

934
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 4: But I will never admit to something I didn't do.

935
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: I did not rape this woman, so I will stay

936
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 4: here in jail rather than admit it. Next paragraph, however,

937
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: there are four or five other things that I've done

938
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: throughout the course of my life that are worse than

939
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 4: what I'm accused. So therefore I feel I'm at the

940
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 4: right place at this time.

941
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Good good stuff.

942
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 4: Fast forward now and he gets out of jail, and

943
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 4: I show up outside the penitentiary. Don King's walking him

944
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: out a little spera coron. All kinds of people are

945
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: around waiting for him, and they have the big black

946
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: jacket hang up over and I said, Don, we gonna

947
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: do this interview. Dodd says, Mike, we're talking to Jim. Yep,

948
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: we're talking to Jim. So we sit down and we

949
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 4: do the interview. Mike has his lawyer and I say, Mike,

950
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: I got this letter from you is live on the

951
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: Today Show. Okay, live on the Today Show, and then

952
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 4: I'm going to be on Dayline on NBC. I'm worth

953
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: NBC at the time. And I say, Mike, you sent

954
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: me this letter. Is this a private letter or is

955
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: this a public letter? If it's private, I won't mention it.

956
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: It's public, I'd like to mention it. If you're okay

957
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: with go ahead, mister de graying anything is fine, not

958
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: a problem. So I've read that portion. I say this

959
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: live on TV. Said Mike, what are the four or

960
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: five other things that you've done that were worse than

961
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 4: what you were accused? What were they? He looks at me,

962
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: looks over at his lawyer, looks back at me, with

963
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 4: no warning that this was coming, and he says, it's

964
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 4: probably best not to discuss this on national television because

965
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: I don't know the statue of limitations. However, what I

966
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 4: wrote you was true, powerful, powerful. I've been with him.

967
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: I've been with him for a long time, and on

968
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 4: the back of the book he wrote this, Jim interviewed me.

969
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 4: After my prolific fights, we were a sensational duo. Out

970
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 4: of the ring. Jim became my most trusted friend. He's

971
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: there no matter what and never afraid to give it

972
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: to me straight, as he does in this book, Jim

973
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 4: talks to goats because it takes a goat to noa goat.

974
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 4: So if you want the truth, ask Mike Eisen. Mike

975
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: Heyson will tell you the truth, even when it's at

976
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: his own peril. And that's just a very very rare

977
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: and so I would do anything I could try and

978
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 4: help Mike. And I think Kiki's wife has just been

979
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 4: sensational for him, and I wish him well. That doesn't

980
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: mean that he won't have another bad moment, because he's

981
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: capable of it at any time, and he recognizes that.

982
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: But it's really he's been you know, the guy who

983
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: read a thousand books. You know anybody who's read a

984
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 4: thousand books? You know anybody, right, Jackman Mao. And they's

985
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 4: race all in the same breath, as well as the

986
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: tenants of the Red Book. I don't know many people.

987
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 4: I don't know any other people like that.

988
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: But on that note, a lot of people that I've

989
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: met that are a great man, they were all readers.

990
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: I defy you think of all the great smart people

991
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: you've met and ultimately you'll find they were all great readers.

992
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 4: They read, read, read, and read knowledge.

993
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 7: Oh, I was going to call you actually ask you

994
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 7: this question. So it's funny that I get a chance

995
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 7: to do it with my best buddy over here. This

996
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 7: exhibition that's something I can call it, that he's about

997
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 7: to have with one of the Paul brothers. How do

998
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 7: you first of all, how do you feel about that?

999
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 7: And you know, people think these are totally rigged, you know,

1000
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 7: they're totally staged. What do you think about this upcoming fight?

1001
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 4: I think it's entertainment. And I think Mike's fifty eight

1002
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: years old. And I did his fight against Roy Jones

1003
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 4: Junior during COVID and there were like six people allowed

1004
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 4: in the Staples Center and we did that broadcast and

1005
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 4: I did it with Marl Ronalo did the play by play,

1006
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: and Snoop Dogg was one of the commentators, and you know,

1007
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: and that I believe that had like two point five

1008
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: million buys, which is so far ahead and the way

1009
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 4: of anything that anybody does in the pay per view business.

1010
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 4: And Mike Tyson at the time, so this is whenever

1011
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 4: COVID was twenty twenty one, I guess three or four

1012
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 4: years ago, and nobody comes near. Nobody comes near those numbers.

1013
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: So the public has a fascination with him. They want

1014
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 4: to see it, They want to tell their kids about it,

1015
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 4: they want to bring their kids. The kids want to

1016
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: come and Jake Paul, for whatever the reason, has captured

1017
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 4: the public's fancy in some fashion, whether he's you know,

1018
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 4: whether they hate him or they love him. He's got, however,

1019
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 4: many twenty five thirty billion I don't know how many

1020
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: millions of followers on YouTube. He has dedicated himself in

1021
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 4: a lot of ways to becoming a fighter. Now he

1022
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: hasn't fought the competition that people would like to see

1023
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: him fight, but he's become representative of somebody who at

1024
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 4: least is putting in the work and attempting to do

1025
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: this in a fashion that kind uphold his name and

1026
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: be competitive. So I don't have any problem with this.

1027
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 4: I don't like people who make judgments on people. You know,

1028
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: we live in Los Angeles, all of us. If we're

1029
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: going to start making judgments on people, we're not going

1030
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 4: to have anybody to talk to. So as long as

1031
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: what you're doing conformance with the law, like, I'm happy

1032
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: Mike can go out and make millions and millions of

1033
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 4: dollars at this age fighting, I don't want him to

1034
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 4: get hurt. I hope he doesn't get hurt, but I

1035
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: don't think at any point in anybody's life, being fifty

1036
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: eight years old or when he was sixteen years old,

1037
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 4: I don't think you will want to be hit by

1038
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson. So I believe he can defend himself and

1039
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: he can protect himself. So I'm happy he can make

1040
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: the money. And you know they're going to sell out

1041
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 4: this at and T Stadium. Jerry Jones didn't put this

1042
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: in there because he didn't think anybody was coming Netflix

1043
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: with However, several hundreds of millions of viewers around the

1044
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 4: world isn't paying for this because they don't think anybody's

1045
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: going to watch it. It'll be the most viewed fight,

1046
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: It'll be one of the most viewed events. And Michael

1047
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 4: be in good shape. He's training and I've been to

1048
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 4: see him training and he's you know that he had

1049
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 4: the problem with his ulcer. He's getting back in shape

1050
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: and he's in great chairs.

1051
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 7: So you had to pick a winner, would you make

1052
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 7: a prediction.

1053
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: I'm picking Mike Tyson. I'm not betting against Mike Tyson.

1054
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question. Did they tell Michaelidgelo

1055
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 4: not to pain anymore? Did they tell Frank sin to

1056
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: don't show up at the arena when he couldn't remember

1057
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 4: all the words all the time, but everybody wanted to

1058
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 4: see him and his voice was still magnificent. You know,

1059
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: they tell all these people what to do with their lives.

1060
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 4: They're so busy telling everybody what to do, how to

1061
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 4: do it, why to do it, what they should be doing.

1062
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: But it's not their lives. So what's the You know,

1063
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 4: this is what he was to do, and he got

1064
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: a license to do it. The State of Texts said, okay,

1065
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 4: come fight.

1066
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 7: From my friend Paul's benefit, you know herb Simon, our

1067
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 7: wonderful friend. I told him that you were going to

1068
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 7: be on our podcast that Paul and Eric said about

1069
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 7: having you on, and he said, you have to be

1070
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 7: sure that you get him to tell the Hank Aaron story.

1071
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 7: So ifpe don't mind, hippete indulgus.

1072
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: Can I plug the book again? Even though Ary was

1073
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: talking to go Hank was a dear friend. And Ike

1074
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 4: put something on the back of his cover here too.

1075
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: If I can find it. I know Jim Gray the man.

1076
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: He stood up for me with tremendous integrity and principle.

1077
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: He suffered the consequences for doing what was right on

1078
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: my behalf and for others, for a just cause. Integrity

1079
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: is what matters. And I will never forget his honor

1080
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: and honesty. So here's what happened. It's a sad state

1081
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: of affairs that this happens. I was with my wife

1082
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: and my in laws and we went to a restaurant

1083
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: on the river down in New York, on the Hudson River.

1084
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 4: And it's one of those fool food places, you know,

1085
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: where the guy's standing there with the towel over his

1086
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 4: arm and you know, he's got a bow tie on

1087
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: and the you know, tuxedo and all this nonsense. And

1088
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 4: we walk into this place and we sit down, you know,

1089
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 4: my in laws and everybody's happy. It's a famous place.

1090
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 4: Pretty empty, but it's a famous place. So you know,

1091
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 4: we get to go and you know, you see all

1092
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 4: the lights across the river and so forth.

1093
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: Go in there.

1094
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 4: And when we walk in, there's Billy and Hank Aaron

1095
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 4: sitting on a bench. And so why did interview Hank

1096
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: before new hike. So I walked over and said, helloone.

1097
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: My father in law big baseball fan and mother in

1098
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 4: law love love baseball, you know, baseball was was the

1099
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: America's pastime. And SO introduced him and we spoke for

1100
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 4: four or five minutes and everybody was happy, and we

1101
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 4: go sit down. About twenty or thirty minutes later, I

1102
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: started looking around. Where's Hank sitting? You know, it's just

1103
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 4: kind of naturally, you know, you're gazing around, and where's Hank.

1104
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 4: Where he is We'll send him a drink or something,

1105
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: still sitting on the bench. So I walk over to Hank.

1106
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 4: I say, you guys waiting for something? She said, no,

1107
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 4: we're just we're just waiting to be seated. You're not

1108
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: waiting for you to No, we're just waiting to be seated.

1109
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 4: I walk over to this made or d and then

1110
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 4: the guy with the towel and all the bullshit, you know,

1111
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 4: like important guy. I say to him, Mom, Joe Namath

1112
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: been to the restaurant. Oh yeah, Joe comes in all

1113
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: the time. I says, it's the table right away, no

1114
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 4: wherever he wants. Said now about Joe Demajia, Oh Joe Joe, Yeah, absolutely,

1115
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 4: and I go through a couple others and I said, huh,

1116
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 4: forget about who he is. He happens to be the

1117
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 4: home run King. But why is this man sitting over

1118
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: here waiting for a table in a fucking empty restaurant?

1119
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 4: In an empty restaurant? Why are these two people sitting

1120
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: there waiting for a table? But we're going to get

1121
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 4: to that. You're going to get to him, I said,

1122
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: the restaurant's empty. Where when are you going to get

1123
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 4: to that? Give him a table, let's go. So they

1124
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: walk him in, they sit him down, and they don't

1125
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: sit him in the front road. They said him liking

1126
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 4: rows four, not on the river, and they got like

1127
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: nine empty tables. I said, what's wrong with this table?

1128
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 4: So it was just a despicable thing. I said, Hank Coola,

1129
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: we should go, you know this, let's let's let's let's

1130
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: get out of this. Well, he didn't want to make

1131
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 4: a scene and everything, and I told my family, I said,

1132
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 4: let's go. We're bad enough, We've paid whatever it was.

1133
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: We all got out of there. So I went and

1134
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 4: I told my bosses at CBS what had gone on.

1135
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 4: I was working at CBS Sports at the time, and

1136
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I'd like to do an interview

1137
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 4: with Hank on how he suffered over the years because

1138
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 4: Hank was not permitted in baseball at the time. He

1139
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: wasn't a manager, he didn't have a front office job

1140
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 4: permitted the row word, but nobody found a job for him.

1141
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: We went and did the story and put this on

1142
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: the air, and Hank said the baseball in effect had

1143
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 4: blackballdom because he was black, and it was racist. And

1144
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 4: these were all Hags words based on what I'd seen

1145
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: in the restaurant. The story was not about the restaurant.

1146
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 4: The story was about why he couldn't get a job.

1147
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 4: And you know, this is an affable, amiable gentleman, Hey,

1148
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: gar Like, if you have a problem with Hagaron, you

1149
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: better look at yourself. So there's you know, nothing in

1150
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: his character would indicate that this man should not be

1151
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: doing whatever he wants in baseball. And he's the home

1152
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 4: run King. And this is now sixteen seventeen years after

1153
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: the exploits of what he had done by breaking vap

1154
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 4: roots record. CBS had just taken over baseball from NBC,

1155
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 4: and I was scheduled to do the World Series. Jack Buckin,

1156
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: Tim McCarver. We ran the story on the air, and

1157
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 4: he criticized baseball, and he spoke about racism and baseball.

1158
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: And my boss at the time was man named Ted Shaker,

1159
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: who ran the executive producer of CBS Sports. Story runs

1160
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: and then on Monday, I get a call. Story runs

1161
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 4: on Saturday. Monday, I get a call, called me into

1162
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: the office. He sits me down. He says, why did

1163
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: we put this story on the air. This is a

1164
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 4: horrible story about baseball. Should have never gone on the air.

1165
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: Fay Vincent and the Commissioner's office and not screaming hollering

1166
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 4: at us. How could we treat them as partners like that,

1167
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 4: calling baseball racist. I said, we don't call baseball races.

1168
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 4: Hank Aaron related his story. We told Hank Aaron's story,

1169
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 4: and you approved the story. You watched it before it

1170
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 4: went on the air. So now you're calling me in

1171
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: after went on the air, and you're mad at me,

1172
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 4: mad at me for putting something that you approved going

1173
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: on the air. Was a good story on Saturday. It

1174
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 4: was a good story when we shot it. And now

1175
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: because baseball's upset somehow, this isn't a good story. This

1176
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 4: isn't an accurate this isn't a truthful story. I said,

1177
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 4: I said, what are you mad at me? He says,

1178
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 4: because you led a horse to water and you made

1179
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 4: him drink. I said, I didn't live, need him anywhere.

1180
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 4: This is the life he lives. Make a long story short.

1181
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: They took me off the World series. They benched me

1182
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 4: for doing and reassigned and replaced me for telling Hank

1183
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: Aaron's story that was a truthful story about how he

1184
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 4: had been disparaged and disregarded and not treated with the

1185
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: proper respect, and that race was at it at the

1186
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 4: core of it. And so Hank and I became very

1187
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 4: good friends ever since then. And you know, it was

1188
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 4: another very just fortunate out of a very unfortunate circumstance

1189
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: at a restaurant, and in telling his story became a

1190
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 4: very fortunate thing for me that I was able to

1191
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 4: know him in the way that I got to know

1192
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 4: him and spend time with him, in the amount of

1193
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: time that I got to spend with him, and truly

1194
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: loved hankin so to think that that was going on

1195
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety one, you never know. And the tremendous,

1196
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 4: tremendous onslaught of hatred that he experienced for breaking Baby

1197
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 4: Brutes record was just really it was sad. It was sad,

1198
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: but he handled himself so so beautifully, and so you know,

1199
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: I know it had to hurt, and I know he suffered,

1200
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: So it was it was it was to see the

1201
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 4: dignity that he had been stripped of and be maintained

1202
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 4: by him internally and to face what he had to

1203
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: face externally was was remarkable.

1204
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: The lack of respect of which we all want, you.

1205
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: Know, decency, respect, common courtesy. So and he never forgot it,

1206
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 4: and that heartened me because you know, you just try

1207
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 4: and we all just try and do what's what's right.

1208
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: This was, this was wrong that he was being treated

1209
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 4: like that. So why would you want to see anybody

1210
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 4: treated like that, let alone a national international treasure and hero.

1211
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: What is going on here?

1212
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1213
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: It's so eclectic and you've had such a meaningful life.

1214
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean you look at everybody from Nelson Mandela and

1215
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: Neil Armstrong, on and on, all the sports figures, all

1216
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: kinds of amazing people. Is there anyone left done your

1217
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: bucket list that I like to interview? Yeah, it's not

1218
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: over for you. You're still doing it.

1219
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 4: Really, I don't sit here and say I've missed any

1220
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 4: you know, so I don't. But there is one guy

1221
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 4: i'd like to talk to, and we got to meet him, Brandon.

1222
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 4: I'd like to meet the pope and interview the Pope.

1223
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 4: Here's a man who spends his entire existence if you

1224
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 4: take the religion out of it, because I'm not religious

1225
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 4: and I don't follow any of those tenets and so forth,

1226
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: but who really wants what's best for the world, what's

1227
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 4: best for his following, for humankind, men, women, black, white, Asian, Muslim, Jewish, everything,

1228
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 4: and who else dedicates themselves to that? And the institution

1229
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 4: I understand, has a lot of issues. There's a lot

1230
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 4: of controversies. There's all kinds of things that go on

1231
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 4: with a variety of very important things. But I think

1232
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 4: he'd be just an interesting person too. But I would

1233
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: want to interview him about sports and the importance of sports.

1234
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: Had a lot of soccer out of them.

1235
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 4: What's the most important sport around the world to use?

1236
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think soccer is coming on. I think football's

1237
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: probably lost its luster. I think baseball we love it,

1238
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: we know where it sits. But I don't think it's

1239
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: the sexiest sport anymore.

1240
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 4: Far and away soccer, and it's side away. Argentina is

1241
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 4: on top of the world now with pulling the world up.

1242
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 4: But I don't but if it was just you know, no,

1243
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: I really don't sit here and say, boy, I wish

1244
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: I could, you know, I have a one on one

1245
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 4: with with whoever.

1246
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so theoretically you would have loved to admit any

1247
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: of the popes.

1248
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: No, I didn't want to meet the last one.

1249
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1250
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 4: I didn't he didn't think he Pope Benedict didn't interest me.

1251
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 4: Pope John Paul came to Philadelphia. I thought you would

1252
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 4: have been really interesting. I'm not a I don't know

1253
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: anything about the history of popes. I'm not, but I

1254
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 4: mean just I just like the fact that they ded it.

1255
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 4: I'd also like to I'd like to interview President she

1256
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: because because I'd like to know what those folks think

1257
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 4: about sports and the systemic doping and what they've done

1258
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 4: and you know, just all kinds of issues. How the

1259
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight Olympics catapulted that country into the world,

1260
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 4: and you know, then they've had them back there again

1261
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 4: for the Winter Olympics, which really didn't fit, but they've

1262
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 4: had it, so he'd be interesting too. And it's not

1263
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: because these people with political figures. It's because I think

1264
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 4: that sports can be used for good, for parent times

1265
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 4: and for future generations. I've made a great, great living

1266
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 4: interviewing all these people who've had all these tremendous achievements,

1267
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 4: who have inspired people across the world to go out

1268
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,959
Speaker 4: and have greater performances than the ones that they've had.

1269
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 4: So I think that sports can be used for good.

1270
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 4: And I worked with a man named Bud Greenspan. You

1271
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 4: were probably friends with him, Paul.

1272
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bud was.

1273
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: A brilliant man and he was one of my first jobs.

1274
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: And you know, we always thought that leaving of his films,

1275
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 4: would you know, Jesse Owen's Returns to Berlin, the Last

1276
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 4: African Runner, the Will M rout Alph Story, all those

1277
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 4: incredible Billy Fist first to Pilot. You know, it was

1278
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 4: a Bob s Letler in Aleesia and he was shut

1279
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 4: down in World War But he always felt that if

1280
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 4: he could leave these films, people across the world would

1281
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: see them with wonderment of how those folks achieved all

1282
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: of this, and that they could go out and do

1283
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: it themselves or do it better. So I always kind

1284
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 4: of thought, you know, that was really noble and really good.

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Speaker 4: And I've had that life in sports. No, I've got

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01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 4: to talk to Ali and Phelps and Brady and Lebron

1287
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: and Jordan and all these folks over and over and

1288
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 4: over and over again, and just seeing the dedication of

1289
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 4: Tiger and the myopicness of Floyd Mayweather and Mike Tyson

1290
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 4: and how you know, it just didn't matter to Serena Williams.

1291
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: She was going to figure out a way to win,

1292
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 4: you know, and to be able to do that. So

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 4: I think that there's benefit in glorifying those who have

1294
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 4: had this commitment to excellence. Perhaps those two people, those

1295
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 4: two people could help with the closure. And obviously I'm

1296
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: never going to talk to president She and I would

1297
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 4: say it's probably a long shot to get to the Pope.

1298
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Speaker 1: But in keeping Umi ask a question, what was your

1299
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: takeaway from the current Olympics, which was amazing to walked

1300
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: away from it saying, I think these athletes, with everything

1301
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: they put into it, how amazing they are in their dedication.

1302
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Speaker 1: I think they should be paid for what they're doing.

1303
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: I think there's so much money made anyway, because we're

1304
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: living in a world of where it's all about the money.

1305
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of money made from

1306
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: the Olympics for businessmen, and I think these kids should

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Speaker 1: be paid.

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Speaker 4: What's your take on that, Well, I think they're all

1309
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: professionals now anyway. But I look at it differently. I'm

1310
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 4: more idealistic. I think the money is available for Siman Bios.

1311
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 4: I don't think she's going to do very well for

1312
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 4: the rest of her life. And for you know, all

1313
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: the others, Katie Ldecki, the American basketball team. Obviously, they're

1314
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: all mull time millionaires as it is. But I look

1315
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 4: at it in a different way. I think that these

1316
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 4: Olympics brought the world closer in the world together for sure,

1317
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 4: and I think that Paris and the French did an

1318
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 4: amazing job. It was almost perfect. I was there, my wife,

1319
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 4: friend and I we were there for twelve days. There

1320
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 4: was not one thing that you could find fault with.

1321
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 4: The traffic was gone, the venues were beautiful, the performances

1322
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 4: were fantastic, the organization and security was off the charts great.

1323
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 4: And I just think that when you can have whatever

1324
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 4: it was one hundred and eighty or two hundred and

1325
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 4: six countries come together in peace and coexistence and inspire

1326
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 4: the youth around the world and old people who can't

1327
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 4: get out of their chairs for seventeen days, sixteen days

1328
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 4: of glory. And yes there's going to be cheaters, and

1329
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 4: yes there's going to be controversy, and yes this judge

1330
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: didn't get it right and screwed up the whole thing

1331
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 4: with gymnastics. Okay, those things do occur, and those things

1332
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 4: are really unfortunate human they're human errors. But I just

1333
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 4: think that the Olympics, and yes, the IOC, and maybe

1334
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 4: all of these folks are profiteering and so forth, and

1335
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 4: the cities are left behind with all these venues and

1336
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 4: many of them have gone broke in the past, and

1337
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: you know, and so forth. But I just look at

1338
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 4: it in the fashion, Paul is when I hear and

1339
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 4: I see everybody having a good time, and they loved

1340
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 4: being at beach volleyball. Nobody watches beach volleyball, and they

1341
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: love being at the pool, and you can't name four

1342
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 4: people in that pool tomorrow, and all these other sports.

1343
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 4: I went to ping pong, and it's fascinating to see

1344
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 4: these folks from China, in North Korea and all these

1345
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 4: places playing this thing, and they're bad in this thing.

1346
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 4: Why you can't even keep your eye on it fast enough?

1347
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: Let alone think how they react. And you go see

1348
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 4: Rafa Nadal, who's gotten literally hundreds of millions of dollars

1349
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 4: going back out to Roland Garrams to play Djokovic, who's crying.

1350
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 4: Who's crying because he won a gold medal after four

1351
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 4: or five attempts of not that means something. So it's

1352
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 4: not I don't want to be disagreeing with you. It's

1353
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 4: but that's to me, not about money. It's not. It's

1354
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 4: got nothing to do with money. It's got everything to

1355
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 4: do with There for the grace of God, go iy

1356
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 4: and here we are showing the world the glory of

1357
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 4: our times. And there's something that that that no amount

1358
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 4: can take the place of that.

1359
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: I saw.

1360
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 4: I saw Scottie Scheffler with a gold medal. He's crying.

1361
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 4: He didn't cry when he won in the US Open. Yeah,

1362
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't think he cried when fred Ridley and these

1363
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 4: folks put the green jacket on it. Now they'll want

1364
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 4: that honor and that tradition for the rest of their lives.

1365
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 4: He wasn't crying. So there's meaning behind this, no matter

1366
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,440
Speaker 4: whether you're the last African runner to finish the marathon

1367
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,440
Speaker 4: three hours after everybody's gone home with a broken kneecap,

1368
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 4: because your country saw fit to send you there, not

1369
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 4: to start the race, but to finish the race. So

1370
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 4: I think there's I think there's a there's just tremendous

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 4: merit to all of this that we all benefit from

1372
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 4: enjoy watching. And I was sorry to see the Olympics end.

1373
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 4: And the world needs this going on with all the

1374
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 4: strife and conflict everywhere and everybody addling each other, be

1375
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 4: it you know, overseas, or political nature here or whatever.

1376
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 4: It's just I just think it's good. So let the

1377
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 4: institutions profiteer, let it stay alive, let it keep going,

1378
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 4: because this is good for all of us.

1379
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: Did you miss Russia?

1380
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 4: I miss their athletes, except for the people who are

1381
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 4: in the systemic doping. No, we don't miss that. We

1382
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: don't miss any of that. But do I miss the

1383
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 4: next Olga Corbett?

1384
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1385
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 4: Of course, because I want to see her and I

1386
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 4: want to see who that next man is who can

1387
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: do something great. Do I miss the people who are cheating? No,

1388
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 4: I don't miss that at all. Do I think that

1389
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 4: something that somebody over there who has nothing to do

1390
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 4: with the Ukrainian War being punished because that's where he

1391
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 4: was born. And now, just like when President Carter said,

1392
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 4: we're not going to Moscow for the Olympics because you

1393
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 4: think that's going to stop them from going into Afghanistan. Yeah,

1394
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 4: I felt sorry for Carl Lewis. Yeah, I felt sorry

1395
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 4: for all those athletes. Forget about Carl Lewis, that's a

1396
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 4: bad example, because he went on and participated in four Olympics. More,

1397
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the ones who only had nineteen eighty. So, yeah,

1398
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 4: do I miss I'm not sitting here crying about it,

1399
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 4: But I would have missed seeing somebody who would have

1400
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 4: come on to a world stage, who might have given

1401
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 4: us a performance and who might have introduced themselves to

1402
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 4: us that we would never forget.

1403
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 7: So we've kept you for more than an hour. We

1404
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 7: told you it was going to be an hour.

1405
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm happy that you joined this podcast. I'm honored that

1406
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 4: you asked me to come on. I obviously love you

1407
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 4: Skipper and Paul. You've been just tremendous in the little

1408
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: time that we spent together. I've enjoyed over the years,

1409
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 4: and you've just been tremended.

1410
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 8: And by the way, nobody, I'm going to sound like

1411
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 8: Bill Walt, nobody ever wrote a better song than My Way.

1412
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 8: That was long of the world, so much so that

1413
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 8: they sang that and I don't know who sang it

1414
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 8: at the end of the Olympics, and she was fantastic.

1415
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 4: But of you, And every time I hear that, I

1416
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 4: think of you. And it's not what somebody does one time,

1417
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 4: it's what sustains. And that has sustained. I don't know

1418
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 4: how long that's been, around sixty or seventy years. And

1419
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: they play it every day, all day everywhere, with your voice,

1420
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 4: with Frank's voice, with the lady in France's voice. Everybody's

1421
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 4: taking a crack at it. Olgos Presley, somebody sent me

1422
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: a tape of him the other day. It was unbelievable.

1423
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: And one other thing we met also again because we

1424
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: it's always been in the strangest of timing. On the

1425
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: streets of San Francisco. We were going down to a

1426
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: shopping center. I ran right into you in San Francisco.

1427
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: Do you remember that I do?

1428
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 4: That was a long time ago. It sure was? That

1429
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 4: was it twenty five years ago?

1430
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: I remember Joy?

1431
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.

1432
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 4: Well I loved I loved being on here and thanks.

1433
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 4: You know Skip, Skip some miracle. You know there is

1434
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: a personal the planet that Skip broughtson does it?

1435
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't know the pope, but he'll get there.

1436
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 2: You do. The Pope, Well, I don't know him yet.

1437
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: Let's put it down.

1438
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: It's always yet with Skip.

1439
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 4: Tell him that story about somebody said you were a

1440
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: name dropper. This is one of the funniest things I

1441
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 4: ever heard.

1442
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 1: Yip a name dropper?

1443
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Like Frank Sinatra Tolby, don't be a

1444
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: name dropper? Right?

1445
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: Everybody knows Skip and everybody loves Skip.

1446
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 4: Thank you, He's amazing. Do you guys know You guys

1447
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 4: know Rudy Durant, don't you? Oh sure, Rudy's Rudy's beautiful guy.

1448
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 4: I think Rudy's ninety three or ninety four years old.

1449
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 4: And Rudy coined a phrase that's really really interesting. He said,

1450
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 4: friendship is a serious business.

1451
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot about friendship from Paul.

1452
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 7: To tell you the truth, I mean that sincerely, because

1453
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 7: you know, there are acquaintances and then they're friends. It's

1454
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 7: wonderful to be acquainted with so many people, but they

1455
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 7: have good friends like you guys, means a lot to me,

1456
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 7: I can.

1457
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: Tell you that. So thanks thanks to both of you

1458
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 2: for that, Thanks for having me see around.

1459
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: All right here, Reggie Jackson's calling right here, Hey, Reggie, Reggie,

1460
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm good. You know the great all Aika he's on.

1461
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm dis finished his podcast. Say hello, Paul, that's Reggie Jackson.

1462
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: Reggie, Oh, how you doing?

1463
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 4: You know, you know I leave?

1464
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you live like two doors. Well that

1465
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: was about twenty acres of trees. There were no streets.

1466
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: I was up on one yell and you were around

1467
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,879
Speaker 1: the corner, right, Jack speaking Carmel.

1468
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 4: I used to go for little walks and walk by

1469
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 4: your house.

1470
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 7: I don't walk by that your old house every other day.

1471
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 7: Oh where do you live now?

1472
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm down I'm down in Los Angeles? Okay, you're still

1473
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: up there, obviously, right, Reggie. But great property. I loved

1474
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: living up there. You know, all my kids left and

1475
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: went to college and I was left with you know,

1476
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: my wife and I and you know, it was a

1477
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: huge property, twenty acres and we had our last child

1478
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: and we moved down to La But I loved it

1479
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: up there. I'm glad you're still up there because it's

1480
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: really a beautiful place to bring kids up and to enjoys.

1481
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 7: It is yonder full, the weather is so green, and

1482
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 7: then you can you can hide, you know, you can

1483
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 7: be a celebrity and red there comfortably.

1484
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I went up there like in the early

1485
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: eighties and I looked at Pebble Beach and I just went, nah,

1486
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: just not for me. And I said, anything available, And

1487
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: the realtor said, there's an empty piece, but there's no road.

1488
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: And we went up this dirt road for about a

1489
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: few miles and I got to the top and it

1490
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: was just trees, nothing, And I said how much And

1491
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: she told me. I said, I'll take it. So for

1492
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: the next two years, I was just blowing up everything.

1493
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: And I put a road in and you know the area.

1494
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't think there's more than six homes up there,

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Speaker 1: is there?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: No, the errors at least home every five to ten acres.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, her wealth, he can shie old.

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Speaker 1: Great memories up there, a great memories.

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Speaker 4: All right, skipping, skipping, Paul, Thank you guys. Thanks second,

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Speaker 4: just hanging us on, Thank You, Ray, Thanks Skipping, Thanks.

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