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Speaker 1: Hello, Club Sha Shay Fast. It's your favorite television uncle,

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Speaker 1: Shay Sharp. And I know you've been patiently waiting for

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Speaker 1: season two of Club Sha Shay and we're currently in production,

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Speaker 1: but just to get you through, we got a special

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Speaker 1: episode with the Marda Rosen. All my Life, the Grinding,

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Speaker 1: All my Life, sacri fights, hustle back price one slice,

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Speaker 1: got the broder dice to swap all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding all my life, All my life, the grinding,

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Speaker 1: all my life, sacrid fights, hustle, back prices. One a slice,

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Speaker 1: got the bron dice to swap all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding in all my life. Hello, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of Club Sha Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 1: I'm also the proprietor of Club Sha Shay. And the

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Speaker 1: guy that's stopping by for conversation and a drink today

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Speaker 1: is a four time NBA All Star, a two time

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Speaker 1: All NBA selection, a member of the twenty fourteen Feeble

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Speaker 1: Gold Medal winning team, and a member of the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen Real Gold Medal gold Medal winning basketball team.

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Speaker 1: To Margi Rosen tomorrow, how you doing great man? It's

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Speaker 1: a little Broth. Thanks for stopping by with me and

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Speaker 1: thank you for Okay, the season's over, what is the

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Speaker 1: margin Rosen doing currently? Back in the gym. Honestly, really

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Speaker 1: didn't take no time off. You know, it was a

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Speaker 1: crazy season, as everybody know. I just want to stay

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Speaker 1: after it, you know, take care of my body and

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Speaker 1: just stay stay healthy, you know what I mean. Got

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Speaker 1: back in the gym, spend more time with the family,

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Speaker 1: but for the main part, just refocusing, you know, figuring

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Speaker 1: out did you start back up normally earlier, normally than

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Speaker 1: you normally would, Yeah, way earlier. I really didn't take

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Speaker 1: no time off. Why not? The year was already crazy, right,

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Speaker 1: and how compact it was. There's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: I didn't get to do maintenance wise on your body

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Speaker 1: because you try to just rest as much as you

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Speaker 1: can because we was playing so much. So just kind

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Speaker 1: of like re refining my body, right, you know, being

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Speaker 1: more conscious of that, eating, eating a lot better, right,

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Speaker 1: understanding that, you know, this summer's an important summer for me,

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Speaker 1: especially going to the free agency. So I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to keep that passion and drive going into the summer

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Speaker 1: and really not taking no time off. Okay, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about free agency. You aren't understrict the free agent. You

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Speaker 1: spent the last two years in San Antonio. What is

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Speaker 1: the Martin Rosen looking for? If you were to leave

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Speaker 1: Seattle in a new excuse me, in San Antonio, if

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Speaker 1: you leave for a new home, what are you looking for?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about winning at this point, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Going into my thirteenth season, right,

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Speaker 1: you're seeing all these guys just competing for a channel.

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Speaker 1: I hear a lot of guys say that. I've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys in baseball and basketball and football

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Speaker 1: say it's all about winning, but they normally end up

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Speaker 1: going to the team that pays them the most money.

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Speaker 1: Is it all about winning or you know you want

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Speaker 1: to get compensated to why winning? I mean you try

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Speaker 1: to You're trying to need to find you try to

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Speaker 1: balance it, especially as you can. Right at this point,

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Speaker 1: you know you gotta way, you gotta way out the

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Speaker 1: opportunity and winning a championship, trying more, right, especially when

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Speaker 1: the career I had, I've I've been fortunate the make

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Speaker 1: up a lot money, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 1: to compete for a championship. How hard you know, you

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Speaker 1: go to San Antonio and you know what they're you

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Speaker 1: know what san Antonio represents. They normally win, but they

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, some injuries, some things happened, and

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Speaker 1: it didn't go the way we normally expect things to

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Speaker 1: later in my career at that point, it was tough,

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Speaker 1: you know, learning a new system, a new environment. Everything

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Speaker 1: something that was needed to help me be a better leader.

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Speaker 1: You know. As soon as I got with those guys

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Speaker 1: for pop because you you've had a lot of different

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Speaker 1: That makes it that much more entertaining when you step

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Speaker 1: Right when you look where basketball was heading, everything's about analytics,

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Speaker 1: but you really haven't succumbed to that because you're still

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Speaker 1: a great mid range shooter. You don't fall in love

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Speaker 1: you shoot the three. You're you're not you know, nobody's

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Speaker 1: But you, like, I can be a great player and

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Speaker 1: How are you able to resist Because a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys haven't been able to resist that temptation, because the

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Speaker 1: analytics says, if you're eighteen feet why not take three

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Speaker 1: it's it's one night. I grew up watching and loving

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Speaker 1: move me away from that. Right. What what gave me

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Speaker 1: my love and passion was watching seventy and eighties basketball, right,

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Speaker 1: I feel like, if you if you dominated, and you

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Speaker 1: so you could do that, so I don't got to

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's only two people I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: I think Drew League always been a community feel, right.

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Speaker 1: it's turned into. It's it's amazing, right the players bron

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Speaker 1: that's what based basketball is based off. And to be

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Speaker 1: makes it one one of a car has La replaced NYC? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so y'all, Laca, Yes, no question, I believe so, especially

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Speaker 1: there and in lead a mark and you gotta bring

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Speaker 1: your a game. It's been plenty of eight v eight

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Speaker 1: players that come through there and get embarrassed by by

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Speaker 1: by guys from Compton and Watson. You gotta bring your

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Speaker 1: You talk about condensed, it was condensed. On top of condensed,

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Speaker 1: you talk about ten fewer games in two fewer months.

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Speaker 1: no question. Where were you when you found out you

427
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: had been traded? I was watching equal Equalizer two at

428
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: the movies, and I had just left and I was

429
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,239
Speaker 1: going to get something to eat, and I had made

430
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: the phone call back, and that's when I got the word.

431
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: And I remember I was in a car. I just

432
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: told the dude, put put pull the car over, and

433
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: I just gotta walk down the street. I think I said,

434
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: in front of like a Dell Tac or a Jack

435
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: in a box or something. For like forty minutes. You

436
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. You were surprised. Yeah, I just I

437
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: just couldn't believe it because it was just one of

438
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: those moments, like because two days prior we had had

439
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: a conversation about, you know, running the whole thing back.

440
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: So that's what made it more surprising, you know, how

441
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: it came about and everything. So and then you had

442
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: done something that the other great players hadn't done. You

443
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: stayed in Toronto. BC got up out of there. Yeah,

444
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: T Matt got up out of there. CB got up

445
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: out of there. You like, I'm a i'm ana wrong,

446
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a ride for the wheels fall off in

447
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: Toronto and y'all do your boy like this. Yeah, after

448
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: you told me you gonna do it like that, right right?

449
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 1: That that that was department, you know what I mean,

450
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: because obviously anybody know and in Toronto, like I was,

451
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: I was willing to lay it all out. Yeah, you

452
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And it's poorant to happen like that.

453
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: It definitely sucked, you know, because emotionally I was invested

454
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: not knowing the other side of right, because that's all

455
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: I knew. Toronto was all I knew at that point.

456
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: So you're good with him, now, Oh yeah, I don't

457
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: have no problem you You you understand that it's it's

458
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,479
Speaker 1: part of the game. You know, it's part of the business,

459
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 1: and you know, nobody exempt from from from that happening,

460
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I got past it.

461
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: You know. It was kind of like Kawhi evolved, though,

462
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean it had kind of been other if they traded. Yeah,

463
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: like nothing, just try to dump salary. You know sometimes

464
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: they do do that, dude, do that? So you know

465
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean you it took a while,

466
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: but it got to a point where like, you know,

467
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: you you gotta respect it. You made peace with it. Yeah,

468
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: but it took your while. I took a while. It

469
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: took probably like probably like about ten months ago. Really yeah,

470
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: probably after the bubble. Yeah, I kind of just like,

471
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: you know what, but they didn't. So so you heard it,

472
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: so you like reading it on your phone or did

473
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: they call you? I got the call before it came out,

474
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: so I knew the night before it came out. Agent

475
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: called you. Yeah, No, I talked to Yeah, I talked

476
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: to Yeah. I talked talked to him and you know,

477
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: he told me and I just hung up the phone.

478
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: You love on it? Yeah hung up? What do you say?

479
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: He told me? Head me you you just hold on,

480
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: hold on my side. Now, you just we just had

481
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: a conversation two weeks ago. You say that all you

482
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: we just had a conversation two days ago. You said

483
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: your boy good yea, and y'all do this? I mean

484
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: when everybody else didn't dipp Now think about everybody else

485
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: the deal. I stayed okay. I felt like that would

486
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: have made it worse if I would have, So I

487
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: just I said, you know, you didn't want to say

488
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: something you might you might regret. I just said it

489
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: was done. It's done. I just hung up, and it's

490
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: just like, all right, did he call back? No? Come on,

491
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: he said he held at least call back. Really no, no, No,

492
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was the last thing I expected,

493
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it was the last thing

494
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: I expected. So when it when it hit, it was

495
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: like like you know that lost feeling, like it was

496
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: just like all right, well, now, like I don't know

497
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: what to do. You got one of the biggest when

498
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: you were in Toronto, you had one of the He

499
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: was what Spike Lee is to the Knicks, what Jack

500
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: nil Nicholson was to the Lakers, what Billy will still

501
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: listen to the Clipper. He's that to Toronto. And I'm

502
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: talking about Drake. What's it like playing when he's going

503
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: in on everybody. You know, he's tracked, but he's friendly

504
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: with everybody. Yeah, but he's giving everybody the business. Yeah,

505
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: And you like bro you dude, but he dropped party

506
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: on us. Man, sit down, lead him an alone. Now,

507
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 1: you gotta let Drake Drake, Man, you gotta let him

508
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: beat him because he gonna talk mess beforehand and a

509
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: lot of times, a lot of players on the other

510
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: team before he talked mess on the court. He gonna

511
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: tex text you and talk crazy. You know what I mean, Like,

512
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: that's what he's doing. And you know, we feed it.

513
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: We we feed off here and you know, for him

514
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: to be the biggest star in the world and and

515
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: and supporting and come through like he do. Man, that's right,

516
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: That's that's just him, and you gotta love him. Be him.

517
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: You went to Drake after you were traded? What what

518
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: what did you guys talk about? Man, we just we

519
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: just really sat there and you know that, but besides

520
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: basketball and everything, just the reinsurance of like, you know,

521
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: that was my that was my my partner, that was

522
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: a friend, that was a friend of mine. That was like, man,

523
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: get away from everything. I know, it's crazy. I couldn't

524
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: even turn on TV that day, phone was going crazy.

525
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: I just went over there and we we set setting,

526
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: talked for hours eight setting talk and I think more

527
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: than anything, just him being there for me as a

528
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: friend first and foremost, you know, and and no matter what,

529
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to him, you'd forever have

530
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: a friend of me and loyalty out of me because

531
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: you know he cared. Yeah, he was doing when he

532
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: was there for me, when when when everything was just

533
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: going crazy, you know, it kind of just got me

534
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: settled in a sense of like, you know, you're gonna

535
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: get past it. Don't even worry about it. He h.

536
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: He dropped the name and the freestyle Limon Pepper freestyle

537
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: with Rick Ross. I didn't get some money. I mean

538
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: because I got that name. You did you show? Did

539
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: he keep monetizing me? You're gonna tell him you gonna

540
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: be tell a little I need you to tell. I

541
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: let Lou know that, but I let him know. So

542
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: it wasn't wasn't like with a guy. You know, nobody

543
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: has had their name dropped more than Kobe h then Jordan,

544
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: then Lebron and Kadi. I mean, but it's got to

545
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: be a huge because that's that's forever. That's no, yeah,

546
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's amazing when it happened

547
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: because I remember I think we were sitting talking at

548
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: one of his concert one day, like probably like two

549
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: years ago, and I was like, uh. One of my

550
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: friends was like, many were you gonna put then a song?

551
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: He was like, I gotta figure out the right song.

552
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get him in there, right. He said this, like,

553
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, like two years ago, we were sitting in

554
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: his dressing room or whatever, and I ain't think none

555
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: of it. I was like, man, why do you bring

556
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: that up? Man? I ain't tripping, and it's my man,

557
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: I ain't tripped, ain't So when it happened, I remember

558
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: he told me about it last year, about the song,

559
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn you did. I was like,

560
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear it. But when it happened,

561
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: it was crazy. You know what I mean? You got

562
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: it you Like to this day, I respect him for that. Man.

563
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Kim Duncan is your coach. He's on

564
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: the staff, Becky Hammon, Tim, what type of coach was Tim? Tim?

565
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Tim is Tim? When you see Tim, that was the

566
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: that was That was Tim. Tim. Tim is the best

567
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: human being in the world. But he was Tim and

568
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: the coach, you know what I mean? I think it

569
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: was one game Pop set out and Tim was our

570
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: head coach right the game and I think we went

571
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: in a half time was down and we was playing

572
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: was playing bad. So I'm thinking Tim gonna come in

573
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: there going off, cussing us out. He came in there

574
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: with the most common demeanor, just like, come on, guys,

575
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: let's just get this win and pull it together. Bringing

576
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: in one, two, three, we go out there and win.

577
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: It was it was like that's Tim, you know what

578
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like that was just Tim and he

579
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: just easy going. His spirit was always positive, and he

580
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: was just he was just cool. Just Becky Hammer. Obviously

581
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: she sees she's seems a little bit more hands on,

582
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more fiery. Do you believe that she

583
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: will get an opportunity, if not this year, next year,

584
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: to be a head coach in this league? For sure,

585
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna take because it's gonna take someone with

586
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: a really open mind to say a woman can coach me,

587
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: And yeah, at the highest level, yeah, I mean for

588
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: me being on the other side of seeing Becky every

589
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: single day, Becky from top to bottom, you know, when

590
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: it comes to to sports, she knows, she's she knows

591
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 1: the game right inside and out right, you know, from

592
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: her scouts to players, player tendencies, and the way she

593
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, she relates, relate with us just like you know,

594
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: she one of us. She plays, she wanted an all

595
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: time greats in her sports. Yes, you know, so everybody

596
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: respect her. Everybody look at her in that light. So

597
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: for me, I don't think none of it like, oh,

598
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: we got a woman coach, right, you know what I mean.

599
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: So it's just you get a group of people who

600
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: believe in her, they're seeing they they'll get that feeling. Yeah,

601
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: but how do you know, how do you how do

602
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: you you you break that sceneing, because this is gonna

603
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: be unprecedented. I mean, this is this might be the

604
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: equivalent of the first Black This might be the Jackie

605
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: Robinson moment because we always knew. But I don't know.

606
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, I never thought a woman

607
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: would coach me. And right that never that never even

608
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: dawned on dawned on me, especially at the highest level,

609
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, I mean that that goes with everything

610
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: that happens for the first time, you know, it has

611
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: to happen for us to have this conversation, right, you

612
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's at that point to where

613
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: it has to happen for it to be believable. Right,

614
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: you look around in sports, not just basketball, you're looking

615
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: around football, it's women involved in some type of way.

616
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: You have women referees in the NFL. Nobody never thought

617
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: that true, But it happened. Yes, you know now it's

618
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's normal. Once it happened. Right now it's

619
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: moving forward, you kind of forget about it. That's it's

620
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: a woman ref out there. So it's just that next

621
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: step if somebody wanted to take that. Let's get back

622
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: to the mid range because you book and I'm looking

623
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: at CP three. Yeah, you can shoot threes, but that's

624
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: really not where you try to make your living. That

625
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: you try to make your living in the mid range.

626
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: Why is that a lost start? Because I think you

627
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: you you look around the lead and it's it's it's

628
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: it's great to see when you see guys like Steps

629
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: coming across court shoot three. It's amazing, you know what

630
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you you trade young, all these guys that

631
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: that doing credible things from three point line. D damn litters,

632
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: it's amazing, you know, But it gets it when you

633
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: when it's time to simplify and get a bucket. You

634
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: gotta be able to playing that that that that mid range.

635
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: It's just lost because you look around and everybody doing it.

636
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I never would have thought if you would have acts

637
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: when I was young, you would see bigs doing step

638
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: back threes. Yeah, yeah, you never imagine that. You know,

639
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: I tell a lot of young guys now who who

640
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: don't realize that. I remember, you used to have to

641
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: have a power for it and a center on the court.

642
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: You have to have a power for it and right

643
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: on the court. You know, the only person who used

644
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: to shoot threes was the specialists who shot threes, you

645
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: know what, I'm right, look at a lot of games

646
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: back they were specialists. They were specialists who shot the three. Right,

647
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: you look at games now, like you said, it's like

648
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty three is getting shot. Back in

649
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: the day, it used to be four for twelve for

650
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: the whole game. Yeah, you know what I mean. But

651
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: that was between two teams exactly. So it's it's just

652
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that you know, it

653
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: happens so much now it's easy to forget about everything

654
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: else with the game because so many people are doing

655
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: it now at a high level. What makes Devin Booker

656
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: special man. When he's tough. He's tough. I always judge

657
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: every player that I play against by a toughness in

658
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: the heart and book got that toughness in his heart

659
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and his creativity with that ball, his poise, his patience,

660
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: he's he's always been big time, right and it's just

661
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: crazy to think this is first playoff run, right and

662
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: he in the finals, you know, And that's a credit

663
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: to what type of player he is and he bring

664
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: it every single night growing up in that LA. I'm

665
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: reading that master P was your a AU coach. Yeah,

666
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: what type of coach was Pete? He was? He was

667
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and he was master P at the time. Now, yeah

668
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: he was, Yeah, he was all that he was. He

669
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: was like a father figured up for us growing up, honestly,

670
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, he was was he He brought us in

671
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: and and and made us feel like like one of

672
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: one of his kids, you know, in all honesty, you know,

673
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: and he he allowed us to be us. He just

674
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: really related with us on a different level, you know,

675
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: and and it bring the best out of us. And

676
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: that's why so many kids wanted to play with him

677
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: back then, and and he did so much for us

678
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: at that point to where when it was time to

679
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: step on the court. You know, we we we we

680
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: was rocking with p every time. Right, What was one

681
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: of the things that he taught you that helped you

682
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: become the player of the person, the man that you became.

683
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean everything, I mean being a round piece so

684
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: much at a young age. You you see how it

685
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: was like to deal with same money business. He was

686
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: always a teacher of that, that that aspect of it

687
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: of looking at it like, you know, we're not gonna

688
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: play basketball forever. You know. He was always preparing you.

689
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: It was always that, even even if we didn't want

690
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: to hear it then it was always said said to us,

691
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: and I always brought up to us. Then for us

692
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: to see a lot of things hands on for with

693
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: him made it easier. Like he'd be with us one

694
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: day than you. You would look on TV and he

695
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: taking care of something with a big deal, and it's like,

696
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: oh damn, he just was with us at practice. Now

697
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: you see him in his light handing a business as

698
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: a mogul that he is. It. It put a lot

699
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: of things in perspective and kind of gave us that

700
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: motivation of of of understanding what it was like. You

701
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: know what I tell people all the time. I said,

702
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: it was easy for me to succeed because I saw

703
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: my brother succeed, right, And I'm like here in the

704
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: house where I lived. He grew up like I grew up.

705
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: He had what I ate, He slept where I slept. Yeah. Hell,

706
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: he played in college. I could play in college. He

707
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: went to the NFL. I could you see MASTERP doing that? Yeah,

708
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: you're like, I was just talking to him the other day,

709
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: he my coach. Yeah, well he did it. I could

710
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: do those things. Is that? Is that how you see

711
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: exactly what it was? Because like we we remember we

712
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: used to just listen to him tell stories right, like

713
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: stories about everything right and and be amazed by and

714
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: having normal conversations. Go eat it. Take us to six

715
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Flags wherever it was, and it was like you know,

716
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: like that father figure type to where you see him

717
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: go do a concert and you see all these people

718
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: who don't know him, but you know the fame, You

719
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: see the fortune, you you you go to his house

720
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: and see the see the match and see the different cars,

721
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: you go to the video shoots. You're seeing all these

722
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: things and it makes and make it more possible for

723
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: you to be successful, you know what I mean. It

724
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: made it like somebody you know got that, yeah for sure,

725
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: And it also gave me a different type of It

726
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: made me even more humble by the time I made

727
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: it to the league. But because it was like I

728
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: had a chance to see what it was like. You know,

729
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: I've seen the ups and downs, a lot of stuff

730
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: that he went through, and he always used to share

731
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: that with us, you know, with the lookout for who

732
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: the lookout for. So when I was going to the league,

733
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, I had that that confidence and motivation because

734
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: I've seen it from somebody my whole childhood. He talks

735
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: about how he wants to coach. He believes he could

736
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: be the Pelicans coach. Do you think Master p could

737
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: actually do? Think he could coach in the NBA? And

738
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: he's one of those renat sounds man. Yeah, Like whatever

739
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: he put his mind to, he gonna That's what I'm saying.

740
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: I didn't heard him say he was gonna sell air

741
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: to somebody, So you know that's that's just pe You

742
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: played with the son at USC, How is it? Because

743
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: it's like when you when you're young and you meet

744
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: a celebrity it's like, how do you like look at them, like, Okay,

745
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: he just caught and his son is just that's just

746
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: my teammate. How do you not look at them and

747
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: revere who they are? Because I was able to see

748
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: the work ethic. Okay, you know what I mean. I

749
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: remember when Romeo was filming TV shows at the same

750
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: time and have to be on set twelve fourteen hours

751
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: a day. Right, It's still gotta do school work, right,

752
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: It's still find time to go to the gym, right,

753
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, So when you see the background of things,

754
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: you you you kind of you kind of look at

755
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: them like damn, like you like, no, I don't want that.

756
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: You're going too much, you know what I mean? So

757
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: you you have a different type of respect level for him,

758
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, initially before you know anything. It's always it's

759
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: always to look at it like, oh they got everything,

760
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: they this and that. But it's a lot of stuff

761
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that we was able to see playing together,

762
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: that they had to go through that was that wasn't easy, right.

763
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: You look at it now that PE's son, Hersey, got

764
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: a two million dollar endorsement deal from a the technology company,

765
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: and we see that college is now that guys are

766
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: going to be able to make money off their likenes.

767
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: It's gonna be able to sell autographs, gonna be able

768
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: to do things where they can benefit. Were you Are

769
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: you in favor of things that for sure? Yeah? For sure,

770
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: like like damn, I need to be coming up like

771
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: right about now. Yeah for anything. Always say and I

772
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 1: always said this, like I stayed home and played because

773
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: I was I was scared to leave if something happened,

774
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: right or if I needed two hundred dollars or anything,

775
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have it when I played home to where

776
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: if any if I needed some bread, all right, I

777
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: could go home fifteen minutes away from me, in right,

778
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: get get some money in twenty dollars from my parents.

779
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't take nothing or do nothing else

780
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: to help me out, you know what I mean. I'm

781
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble. I'll get in trouble, get to

782
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: school in trouble. Yes, yeah. But you walking around your

783
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: campus and you see your jersey hanging around, you see

784
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: all this. So I'm all for it, and I'm glad

785
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: that it's definitely changed, and these kids should be should

786
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: benefit off there themselves. So do you think though the

787
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: big school will get even bigger because they can offer

788
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: even more. So now let's just say for a basketball, Yeah,

789
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: the North Carolinas, the Dukes, the Kentucky Is, the Kansas Is.

790
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: Are they gonna have an unfair advantage? I mean, that's

791
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: the next step. I think so too. That was the

792
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: first thing that I thought about as well, you know,

793
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: because the big schools can sit up here and say

794
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: we can offer you more. But y'all got some big

795
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: donors too. Y'all got them Hollywood, y'all got the big

796
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: big bush. That's that. Yeah, you like movies right there.

797
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely gonna be one of those things

798
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be something else that they're gonna need

799
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: to figure out, right, you know, the big school's gonna

800
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: try to take advantage. Why did you choose USC over Carolina?

801
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean the Blue I mean, I'm a tar Hill fan.

802
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: I must have been. I'm a Tar Hill fan. I

803
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: mean I remember I took an unofficial visit, and I

804
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: mean I was. I was amazed about everything with North Carolina.

805
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: But leaving North Carolina after visiting it, I looked at

806
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: it like, you know, all these great players came through here,

807
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, say I make it through here, I just

808
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: be an another great player. I kind of wanted to

809
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: go somewhere else and kind of leave a mark, kinda

810
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: start a new trend. Right, I'm from LA. Not too

811
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: many people from LA even go to USC. They normally

812
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: picked the other school, right, you know, so I wanted

813
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: to be that guy to be like, all right, let

814
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: me go here and make a change. Kind of. I

815
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: always kind of want to take different routes and kind

816
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: of the tougher route. So that's kind of why I

817
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: stayed home too. You said, so Cal basketball his past,

818
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: New York as the mecca basketball. So okay, we got

819
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: Kawai Hardened Westbrook, Clay, Paul Pierce, Paul George. You holiday,

820
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, who's on your Mount Rushmore? I want to

821
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: know Reggie Miller, Bill Walton, who's on the Mount Rushmore

822
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: Southern Cal basketball player of all times? It's it's that's

823
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: hard because you you kind of gotta go generation and

824
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: generation with us. You can't even just pick one because

825
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: we've got so many, so many players. But for me,

826
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: i I'm putting who I learned so much from and

827
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: what I gotta out of my motivation from is I

828
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: gotta go with a lot of old, older guys like

829
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Baron Davis. Okay, Reggie Okay them two them two for sure.

830
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: It gave me a different like passion of growing up

831
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: watching watching the game of basketball. That's a good one.

832
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to pick nobody from from my generation. Yeah,

833
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stink you gonna live by Bill Walton,

834
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Bill Walden, he definitely got to be up there. You

835
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: definitely gotta put Bill Walton in there. But we we

836
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: got so many, It's so many. That's why who else?

837
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: I felt like I'm missing somebody? You played against, Paul,

838
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: You played against everybody hard and Kawhi Westbrook, Clay, Paul

839
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Pierce PG. It's so hard, man, It's it's hard because

840
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: I want to pick something from our generation, the generation

841
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: before the old. It's so hard. New Yar might got y'all. No, no, no,

842
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: New New York might got yall. I mean, would give

843
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: me give me five. Kareem dr j uh nah he's

844
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: from Philly. Uh, I'm gonna go Kenny Anderson stepfather Marlberry.

845
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: But this with Kareem Kareem been, Kareem take up like

846
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: folks space y'all foehead by himself. So you you name,

847
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: give me somebody from the last twenty years, last twenty years,

848
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: New York. I'm trying to think last twenty years. You

849
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: can't even just Chris Mullin. Nah, come on now, uh

850
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Middle World Peace. I love Matta, but Steph, what about Marlberry?

851
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: Come on? I love I love Steph, I love you.

852
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Put them on the spot. Let me try New York,

853
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: New York, last twenty years. You can name from LA. Well, yeah,

854
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: y'all got y'all got it. I mean the new guys.

855
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: But you know, people moved from New York. He came

856
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: out here. I mean they moved from New York and said,

857
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: like they got out of the cold weather. So that's

858
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: what that's what that is. So really they got roofs.

859
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: They got roofs back in New York. How much pressure

860
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: if it on American basketball when you go play international,

861
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to have the supreme players. You got

862
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: the best of the top ten players in the NBA.

863
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna have anywhere between eight and nine, seven

864
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: and ten, something of that nature. So you go to

865
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: fever to twenty fourteen, you play in the Olympics. How

866
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: much pressure do you feel? The pressure? Do you know

867
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: what's expected of me? For sure? Because it's always hostile territory, right,

868
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, every single country. Everybody want to be the Americans.

869
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Everybody like that's that's the big that's the big deal,

870
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, and you feel it when you play against

871
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these countries. You look up. It's been

872
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: times we play certain countries. You look up in the

873
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: crowd and it's like we out numbered. Yeah, you know

874
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: what I mean if three American flags and all that,

875
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: we completely outnumbered. And in the culture of a lot

876
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: of these countries, countries, you gotta do nothing but respect

877
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: them because they come with that passion, that love and

878
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: that joy and that that that that hunger to want

879
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: to beat the American team. Right, So we're gonna get

880
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: their best effort every every single night. So you gotta

881
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: bring it because you don't want to be on that

882
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: team that that that that went down or loss to somebody.

883
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: You follow sports, your big sports buff. The sha carry

884
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: Richardson's story. She tests positive from marijuana. She's the fastest

885
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: woman currently in America and she's not able to go

886
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: to the Tokyo Olympics. Because she flunked a test. She

887
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: says she was dealing with depression. Her biological moment passed

888
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: and she needed something to to ease her mind. Your

889
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: father passed recently and you were one of the first

890
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: to put a face on mental health. Right, what are

891
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts on her? And then talk about your own

892
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: dealing with your mental the mental health issues. Nothing but

893
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: love him, support for her. You know, I could could

894
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: imagine how that feels, losing somebody then you know, going

895
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: out there doing what you love to do, that kind

896
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: of suppressed the pain that you go through, put yourself

897
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: in a position and be able to make the Olympics

898
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: and get that taken away from you from from from

899
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: some something that's legalized, right and basically almost across the America,

900
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, See, I see, I see both sides of

901
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: the equation. And what I what I've learned. I'm a

902
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: little I'm a lot older you ain't a little older you,

903
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm a lot older than you. What I started to

904
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: see is that people want to preserve something right, but

905
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: they don't want to practice it. See. It's easy for

906
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: us to sit back and says, well, it's only weed.

907
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: But what if you're the woman to finished fourth, right, right?

908
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Would you still feel that same way? It's only we

909
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: I finished fourth, so I'm good let her go. Would

910
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: you feel that same way? We see that what's going

911
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: on with diversity? Yeah, everybody's for diversity as long as

912
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm not impacted by it. See, everybody's in. Everybody is

913
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: for something as long as they're not getting something taken

914
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: from them, right, And so that's what I see the

915
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: side of it. And it's I think it's it would

916
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: be unfair that if twenty five people did something right,

917
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: the one person that did something wrong and it's only one,

918
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we just we're gonna just forgive it.

919
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: But what about the other people that lost opportunities in

920
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: the past. Now, I got a problem with the rule.

921
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: I agree with you, marijuana is not no performance enhancing

922
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people and they ain't

923
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: enhanced nothing but the ability to flunk out of school.

924
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: That's what they ask. But I get it. But I

925
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: do feel bad for because, like you know, you gave

926
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: you and Kevin Love put face to this issue and

927
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: how we handle everybody doesn't handle things the same way.

928
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: So when did you realize that? Man? I just don't

929
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: feel like tomorrow, I'm just not myself. But I can't.

930
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't really know what it is, right, I mean,

931
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I deal with that a lot, especially throughout my career,

932
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: especially last few years. It's kind of been like the

933
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: toughest of my career. But I always try to find

934
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: things that motivate me, to help me push me through,

935
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and one thing has

936
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: always been my daughters. You know, you look at them,

937
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: they could care less about the marrow athlete, you know

938
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. They look at you more so it's

939
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: they're a superhero, right, so you're invisible. Yeah, So in

940
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: my mind always put in like I can't let them down, right,

941
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I know I don't feel like myself. I know I'm

942
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: having a bad day. I may I may want to

943
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: give up. I may want to just say, man, f

944
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: all this. But you know they look at you in

945
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: a different light, right you know? And that that for me.

946
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: If I didn't have them, I don't know why i'd

947
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: be right, you know what I mean. That's that's that's

948
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: my that's my suppression, you know what I mean, Like

949
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: you said, every everybody's different. And I always tell people

950
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: you gotta find something that that you can lean on,

951
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: that that loves you unconditionally, unconditionally and and use that

952
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: as your motivation they get through because we all we

953
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: all gonna go through something at some point. Yeah, you

954
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And we got to have that

955
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: that extra push that we could lean on when when

956
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: times get hard. So that's something I always give. Like

957
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: you said, everybody got fine different avenues to go, but

958
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: you gotta find the best thing, the most best and

959
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: positive thing for you to keep you going. So did

960
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: you you you wouldn't solt professional help? Nah? I think

961
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: I always I always use I think for me, it

962
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: was always I never talked. I never talked about you know,

963
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: some with wrong, with bad and everything. You know, we

964
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: all got people who care for it always say, man,

965
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: if you need me, I'm here for you. Just but

966
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: do they really do they really mean that? Some people

967
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: mean yes, but we don't really use it, right, you

968
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You'd be like, all right, cool,

969
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: because you know, for the longest it's it's really hard

970
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow to be vulnerable and then admit that I'm vulnerable, right,

971
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: because what we fail. What happens is that sometimes when

972
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: you say you're vulnerable people take advantage of exactly because

973
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: if you on the court, if I know you got

974
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: a weakness, what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna pray on

975
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: that weakness. That's what it is. So if I tell

976
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: you that, man, you know, you know we make light.

977
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: We used to make light because we didn't have a

978
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: great understanding of mental health. So if someone tells they're

979
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: feeling depressed, you're right, you weak. That's what you're feeling.

980
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: You weak. You need to man up. And so for athletes,

981
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: because athletes are human. For the longest time, like you said,

982
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: how your daughters look at you as superhuman, most people

983
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: look at athletes as superhuman, like, no, well, they have issues.

984
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: They go to th things that you know they have

985
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: you know husband wife or you know wife husband have issues,

986
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: and they have issues with kids, and they have issues

987
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: with parents or friends. So don't think because someone can

988
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: shoot a shot or enter passed, they don't have issues.

989
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: And for you and Kevin Love and others too openly

990
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: and honestly talk about it. That's that's a really positive thing.

991
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: And I don't think you thought about that at the time.

992
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I didn't. But now there's like man, man, the ard,

993
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: the roads man, he in the league. He makes this

994
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: and he dealing with this, and I think it makes

995
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: it okay for young kids. Just says, you know what,

996
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: I got things going on. I need to I need

997
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: to talk. I need to to just open up and

998
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: be vulnerable. Yeah, it's the most important thing now. And

999
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: like you said, I didn't even when I came out

1000
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: and did it. I did it, you know, for my

1001
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: own selfish reason, right, not knowing that you know, it'll

1002
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: help and motivate and inspire, you know, the conversation or

1003
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: or or make people willing to be more vulnerable and

1004
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 1: talk about it. You know. But once I've seen seen

1005
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: that happen, I kind of got upset with myself, like Dan,

1006
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: why why I went so long? Why didn't why didn't

1007
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: do something like this sooner help somebody, you know, because

1008
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: that's what it's about. Like my growing up, my dad

1009
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: was one of those old school man man that was

1010
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: like you bet, not crying exactly. Yeah. It was always

1011
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: like we didn't show love, we didn't do no hugging,

1012
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: we didn't do a whole lot of that thing. You

1013
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: you were supposed to be emotionalist. Yeah, as a man,

1014
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be tough. Yeah, you don't fear anything.

1015
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: You don't show emotions, because I'm showing emotion is a

1016
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: sign of weakness, and we are never supposed to be weak. Now,

1017
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: that's how you know, That's how my grandfather raised you know,

1018
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm raising men, and men don't show weakness. Men don't cry,

1019
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: and men don't show him. You know, I don't. I

1020
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: can't remember if I ever heard my grandfather tell my

1021
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: grandmother that he loved it. He didn't tell us he

1022
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: loved it. He said, you got a roof for your head, right,

1023
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: you got food him jail, hell, I love you. Yeah,

1024
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you that you eat right.

1025
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: And so that was the approach, and then you kind

1026
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: of passed that down the line and then you realize,

1027
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: I hold on, nah, I don't really think, Papa, I

1028
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: don't really think you know, you did some good things.

1029
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: But I think I probably should tell my kids I

1030
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: love him, and you know, and and kind of stop this,

1031
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: that you're not a man if you show emotion or

1032
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: you you know, you become vulnerable. Yeah, And the crazy

1033
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: thing you say that, it's like even something like this

1034
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: would help me. It's like I always tell people through

1035
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: real conversations. This is is a therapeutic conversation right where

1036
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: you can walk away from it and feel like, damn,

1037
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: I got something off my shoulder to day and not

1038
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: even know it's right, you know what I mean. And

1039
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like that was a conversation I always try to

1040
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: get people to have. It's like talking about it, you

1041
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because once you talk about it

1042
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: with somebody that you care about, you kind of have

1043
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: that dialogue. You can sit there and talk for hours,

1044
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: two hours, three hours, not knowing you didn't got so

1045
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: much off your chest that you never talked about it,

1046
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's kind of where

1047
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: it starts to give that confidence, in that comfort to

1048
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: be able to have these type of conversations because here

1049
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: in your experience, be like, damn all, and I'm not

1050
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: the only one, you know what I mean. I have

1051
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: the same thing from sharp man, damn late. Now I

1052
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: can carry this over to the next person and you know,

1053
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of keep it rolling. So that's that's that was

1054
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of like my my mentor and my mind set

1055
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: after I opened up about it, and you know, you're

1056
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: the same same type of conversation I have with Cavin

1057
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: Love we spent some time together just having a different conversation.

1058
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: It was like, damn, like I wouldn't knew that vice versa,

1059
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: but it it it educate us to be able to

1060
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: help the next person, even more so this social justice.

1061
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on we've seen over the last

1062
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: man over the last four or five years, it's been crazy.

1063
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: And you're from here with really the first incident that videotape,

1064
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: the Rodney King. You're probably four or five years of

1065
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: age then, so I don't know how much of that

1066
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: you remember, but I'm, like I said, I'm a lot

1067
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: older than you, but I remember. It seemed like all

1068
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: the issues basically just took place in like California, New

1069
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: York or Chicago. But now we're seeing it spread out.

1070
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on how the how you guys

1071
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: banded together in the bubble and like, you know what,

1072
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: basketball is important, this is what we do, but this

1073
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: is not who we are. Yeah, because these community that's

1074
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: being impacted they look like us, right, Yeah, And it's

1075
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I had the opportunity to be on

1076
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: a lot of phone calls, a lot of meetings with

1077
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: all the guys in the lead, and you see how

1078
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: passionate and with that side of reality meant to everybody

1079
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: in different cities. You know, it wasn't just for us

1080
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: as a lead. It was like, yeah, I'm from here

1081
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: and this is going on. This is affecting where I'm from,

1082
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: right this way, the police, this is this and you

1083
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: kind of put everything in perspective to where it's like, Yo,

1084
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: this just don't happen in La Right. This happened in

1085
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: the small cities and in Saint Louis, and you know,

1086
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: just all over this country that that we kind of

1087
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: just sweep on under the rug when it happens, right,

1088
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: you know. So for to hear everybody passion for it

1089
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: and and and how we banded together to kind of

1090
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: just push everything for it, it was incredible and and

1091
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm honored to even be a part of it because,

1092
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: like you said, I remember growing up when after Rodney

1093
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: King happened, I always I was always confused and asking

1094
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: my mom and dad, like, yo, why didn't police do this? Right?

1095
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: Is this normal? Right? Why? Why? You know? You kind

1096
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: of just always have these questions, and growing up in Compton,

1097
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: going through so much and seeing how the police treat

1098
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: you and the things that go on you. You kind

1099
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: of normalize it until you get to that age of

1100
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: knowing figuring out like yo, that's not right right, you know.

1101
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: So for the world that happened like it happened last

1102
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: year with the pandemic, and you know, everything turned into

1103
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: what it turned in and us come together as as

1104
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: as as a whole as a lead to come together

1105
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: to try to make change and see what we did

1106
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: it was. It was amazing, you know what I mean,

1107
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: that's where it starts. I think this is a new

1108
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: era because it took you know, in the sixties when

1109
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: you eat and obviously with with Jim Brown and mister

1110
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: Russell h kareem 'f do with Jabbar he was only

1111
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: a team that used at UCLA and the summit, and

1112
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: I think it was nineteen sixty seven, sixty six sixty

1113
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: seven they had the Black Summit in Cleveland, and and

1114
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: then you had a period where the athletes were like

1115
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: they were afraid to speak out or they chose not

1116
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: to speak out on certain issues because you know, I

1117
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: don't really want to mess up my money. Yeah, but

1118
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: you guys, not all of you. Not only are you

1119
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: guys socially conscious, you're morally conscious. You feel you have

1120
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: a moral obligation because people that look like me, that

1121
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: come from neighborhoods like I came from, are hurting. And

1122
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: for me, I can no longer in good conscious Yeah,

1123
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: sit here him safe because I have a live in

1124
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: my ivory tower, Like this is not affecting me, but

1125
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: it is. Actually if more than more than a lot

1126
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: of people think. People think because we have money, we

1127
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: just we just find we're okay with with going on.

1128
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it's a lot of guys. You myself,

1129
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: You you pick up your phone, you see a lot

1130
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: of stuff that go go on. Yes, like you feel

1131
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: disgusted by us, you know what I mean? You kind

1132
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: of you kind of find envious in yourself at times. Right,

1133
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm in this like I remember when when when everything

1134
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: first happened in LA during the pandemic, and I'm sitting

1135
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,959
Speaker 1: in the house. I got up and I went down

1136
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: the La where they was where everything was going on,

1137
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: cause I'm I I didn't feel comfortable sitting in the house, right,

1138
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: Like I had to be out there and see what

1139
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: was going on. And because how you feel, I feel

1140
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: the same way, right, you know, And and and it's

1141
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: not about the money. It's about what's right right, And

1142
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, just because we're in the lead,

1143
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: I still got a lot of friends and family that

1144
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: still live in these communities, right that I gotta here,

1145
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: that I go visit, and I see it in him.

1146
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: I see how scared they they are to go to

1147
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: this store, you know what I mean, my little my

1148
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: little cousin go to the store if he gonna make

1149
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: it back so much stuff to where it's my obligation

1150
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: and be able to be able to talk about it

1151
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: and try to make change. That's that's the thing about

1152
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: what you see is because empathy, it forces you to

1153
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: lose your ego, because it puts you in another man's

1154
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: shoes for one second. You have to see yourself as

1155
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: another man, not as you, because if you only look

1156
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: at yourself as you, you straight I make this. I

1157
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: live here, So maybe there's, you know, slight chance that

1158
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: I may never But if you have empathy and you

1159
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: put yourself in the man's shoes that doesn't play a

1160
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: professional sport, that's not you know, And then you're like, well,

1161
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: hold on, I really could happen to men. Yep, yep, somebody,

1162
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, I really could leave and not come home.

1163
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I could assure you. Nobody in George Floyd's

1164
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: family thought that he was not going to return home

1165
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: that day. Philando Castile and Eric Garners and the Walter

1166
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: Scots and de Sandra Blands and all those the Terrence

1167
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: Crutchers out and Sterling. Nobody thought that, like, you know what, man,

1168
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna see them. We see them the bar right

1169
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and tomorrow never came. So when you start looking at

1170
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: it from it through that lens, you're like, man, it's

1171
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: helfed up. Yeah, yeah, by far. It's it's it's it's

1172
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: crazy because I sit up here and it's you look

1173
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: at it from yourself, then you look at it when

1174
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: you have kids. Yes, I mean yes, like you kind

1175
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: of double down on that feel even more right and

1176
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: and and it's it's it's just one of those feelings

1177
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: that just because people successful like we feel it. We

1178
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: feel it more than anything, you know, and we showed

1179
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: it when we came together, especially in a bubble man.

1180
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: And I respect all my brothers in the league that

1181
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: that that that took that stance and was willing to,

1182
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, lose it all for what's right. Right, You're

1183
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: a big music guy. Obviously, you Drake a very good

1184
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: friend this versus Who would you like to see in

1185
00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: the versus battle? Oh that's a good one. I wouldn't

1186
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: want to I'm gonna keep it West Coast because you know,

1187
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: we really haven't seen too much West Coast. I love

1188
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: to see Iceque ice que verse really anybody because Snoop

1189
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: Snoop went up against du uh he ford it and

1190
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: too Short did that thing. You're right, we have a

1191
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, uh Kendrick. Look first of all, doctor Dre.

1192
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: Doctor Dre isn a you know, if you do a producer,

1193
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: if you do his stuff, doctor Dre gott to go

1194
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: against Quincy Jones. Yeah, that's the only match up that's

1195
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: gone that's gonna ever work. Nobody else can go against

1196
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones. Yeah, Doctor Dre against unless it's Quincy Jo. Yeah,

1197
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. As far as like rappers, I

1198
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: would love to see Q like who you. I just

1199
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: would love like one. Cube don't get his just due

1200
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: as he should. No, he doesn't, and I wish he did.

1201
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: Like Cube is one of my favorite He one of

1202
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: my all time favorites. So I'd love to CQ. I don't.

1203
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: That's on him to figure out. Yeah, because I heard

1204
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: him talking the other day they was they were talking about, well,

1205
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: what about going against LLL because the LA don't get

1206
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: the credit he deserved. L was No, he was the

1207
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: man too. That that would be a hell of a one.

1208
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm

1209
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: trying to think. I can't who could who could cut

1210
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: go against I've been trying to figure that out too.

1211
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't before Snoop did here, I would I would say, like,

1212
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: all right, Cube and Snoop probably right, But I don't know.

1213
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who could compete with with with Q

1214
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: right now, Who's who's your Mott Rushmore Rappers, the West Coast,

1215
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: West Coast? Yeah, Ice Q Kendrick game, Uh Ice Q

1216
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: Kendrick game. And I'm putting Nimpsey hustle, you putting Snoop,

1217
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm putting like putting face Nick half faced Snoop. You

1218
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: gotta give you a half half half Snoop halfing it man.

1219
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: Then then my worst more when you're right, I shouldn't

1220
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: have left Snoop. I shouldn't have left. No, I'm sorry,

1221
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm I'm I'm nipped snoop toss up

1222
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: because mass the thing was about que is that cube

1223
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: s with n w A that that cube. And then

1224
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: when he went solo, he would yeah, he would, Yeah,

1225
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: he went on. He wear hell or everybody, everybody man

1226
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: he was he QueQue she was one of the time. Man, Bruh.

1227
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. I know you busy getting ready

1228
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: to get back into the season and uh you know,

1229
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: got free agency on the road on the way down

1230
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: the stretch. But I appreciate you, appreciate you, Thank you, man.

1231
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate him all my life and grinding all my life,

1232
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: sacri fights, hustle, backy, pricing, want a slice, got the

1233
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: bron the dice swap all my life. I've been grinding

1234
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: all my life, all my life, the grinding all my life,

1235
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: sacri fights, hustle back, prices on the slates at the

1236
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: bowl and dishes swap all my life. I've been running

1237
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: all my life.