WEBVTT - NEYO - Cinnamon Toast Crunch

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<v Speaker 1>My brother. Welcome to Eating Broke. Welcome to Eating wall Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't write songs, but with someone that can write

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<v Speaker 1>some songs. Who, yes, who I am with? I flew

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to Atlanta, got out of the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>studio to be with what's going on everyone? My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Barry No, but I write the songs and make

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world sing. Can you just sing like one classic,

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<v Speaker 1>just one line so the whole world can know who

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting with. Alright, alright, alright, you're ready at the

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<v Speaker 1>cobra Coka bana. Let's know what you know. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>mentally you asked me to no, I want, I want

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<v Speaker 1>the real Okay, alright, the real and I'm so sick

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<v Speaker 1>of love song so side up tease, so done, we

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<v Speaker 1>wish And you still said I'm so sick love, so

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<v Speaker 1>so sad and slow? So why can't I tune off

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<v Speaker 1>through radio? Yeah? I smile and so oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>this was like probably the best moment of my life

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<v Speaker 1>right now. That was amazing. I am with Neo, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in your space. Yes, yes, this is Compound

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<v Speaker 1>Studios here in Atlantuck. Yes, yeah, man, this is where

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<v Speaker 1>the magic happens. This is where the magic happens, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is where we get to watch and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>what Neo used to eat when he was bro on

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<v Speaker 1>the come up, on the come up, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have us eating? First of all, well, so we

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<v Speaker 1>did not come up with a lot of money. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>dad checked out relatively early. So it was my my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and my sister, uh moved to Las Vegas and

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<v Speaker 1>we're living in the house, my mother, my sister, my grandmother,

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<v Speaker 1>five aunts, and meat right until I was like sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of estrogen in the crib um. So me

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister we were alone a lot because my

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<v Speaker 1>mom had like five six jobs at all times, easily.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh it was a lot of you know, syrup

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<v Speaker 1>sandwiches and catch up sandwiches and basically any condiment that

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<v Speaker 1>we could find in the refrigerator, put it between two

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of bread and that was the sandwich. We see.

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<v Speaker 1>There a lot of that is that because you guys

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't cook, or well I couldn't cook, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing to cook, you know, which makes it harder

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<v Speaker 1>to uh. So, so it was a lot of that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot of noodles and cereal. Cereal was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the saving grace, you know, didn't always have milk,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have some cereals. Throw that thing in the

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<v Speaker 1>cup and take it outside with you, like, we used

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of that. Yeah, and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the name brand cereals, and name brand cereals were luxury,

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<v Speaker 1>like like the cinnamon toast crunch, for example, is my

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<v Speaker 1>all time favorite cereal, and we didn't we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>cinnamon toast crunch. We had the cereal came into bags

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of like not fruit loops, is fruit rings,

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<v Speaker 1>Centamon toast crunches is toast squares or something something, but

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<v Speaker 1>you knew what it was, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of that. We did a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But every now and then moms were splurs and we

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<v Speaker 1>can get the real. Every blue moon we get the real.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're eating the real day, we are eating

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<v Speaker 1>our luxury struggle meal, actual cinnamon toast crunch, not the

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<v Speaker 1>imitation that comes in the bag. That's honestly not even bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hobnoutly just as good. It just don't say cinnam

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<v Speaker 1>toast crum. Really you think it's just as good. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I used to feel like it used to leave like

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<v Speaker 1>a little residue in my mouth on the like the fruit,

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<v Speaker 1>the fake fruit fruit, the fruit rings. The fruit rings

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<v Speaker 1>had a little funny Yeah, you had to be careful

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<v Speaker 1>with those. The not Captain Crunch, but sergeant or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a little bit of joints, his cutting roofi mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what it is. Regardless of get the name

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<v Speaker 1>brand or the other one. They both chopping you up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you were eating cereal, were you and we well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll pour a glass a bowl. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you were eating seah when I was growing up, we

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<v Speaker 1>would pile up the bowls high, and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>your parents would come in and be like, don't eat

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<v Speaker 1>the ball to cereal? Where you like that or where

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, just five or ten pieces in the

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a last it's activating math. Nope, I

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely trying to make last. That was me. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was the one kid my sister's hues. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. But then I was very I was very

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<v Speaker 1>much I understood, especially if we had the real, the

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<v Speaker 1>real deal that week, It's like, all right, now, let

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<v Speaker 1>me chill out because I need this to last a

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<v Speaker 1>little while. Yeah, I mean my point for you. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go for it. I was gonna try and disrespect disrespect

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable amount. Okay, this is a struggle meal, meaning we

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<v Speaker 1>are not splurging. Okay, we can't splurt. I'm glad you're

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<v Speaker 1>pouring it because because Okay, so now this is a

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<v Speaker 1>real deal. Now how much milk are we talking? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we going in the cup with the backyard or um? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>today today we have milk. The cup in the backyard

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<v Speaker 1>is but it ain't no milk. But what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>milk were you? You You was drinking the We was drinking

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<v Speaker 1>cow milk back then, at least we thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>cow mill I don't know we were drinking Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this the whole almond milk thing didn't happen UNI until

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<v Speaker 1>much later in life when I realized that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a baby cow actually a baby cow. That's not even

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<v Speaker 1>necessary to get it in. Look, how much milky? Poor,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a lot? What are you talking? Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish cameras becazoom in on. You eat cereal like

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<v Speaker 1>white people. You have milk just in the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the that's yes, you know what's so funny you say that,

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<v Speaker 1>But I get made fun of in my house for

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<v Speaker 1>not being black enough. So like, literally today, this is

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<v Speaker 1>why you're so white. You eat cereal. Look you're eating

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<v Speaker 1>it like it's soup. What are you talking about? What this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what it's supposed to be. That was way

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<v Speaker 1>too much. I'm so glad. Wow, we should have a

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<v Speaker 1>pole on whether it's black or white if you have

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<v Speaker 1>too much milk, because that's black people use a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of milk all of my Okay, well, so when I

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<v Speaker 1>was coming up, all of my white friends got to

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<v Speaker 1>stay at the house, and you know, see what money

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<v Speaker 1>look like and stuff, but they would always eat be

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<v Speaker 1>a full bowl of cereal and be a glass bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't both Like in the commercial, that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>last bowl. You can see all the cereal and it's

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<v Speaker 1>milk just in the bottom of the boat, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how the hell do you eat it like that? That's

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<v Speaker 1>so by the time you get to the stuff at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom, it's all salt, gross, Like yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know how at the end of the bowl you get

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<v Speaker 1>to like drink the milk. Look how much milk you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta drink? What are you talking about? This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is full. I'm full all day from this because again

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about struggle meals, right, so this might have

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<v Speaker 1>been breakfast, sand lunch. This might have been brunched right here.

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<v Speaker 1>You were really struggling trying to tell you can we

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<v Speaker 1>try and we know what this is. This is O

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<v Speaker 1>G classic. I still eat this cereal every every crack,

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<v Speaker 1>crack on the drugs, but cracks. When you pulled up today,

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<v Speaker 1>you were driving a white I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 1>was a Bentley. You know you're with these luxury style cars.

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<v Speaker 1>I just knew it looked like a couple hundred grand

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<v Speaker 1>on wheels, maybe more than get a specific just embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think eating cereal trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>it last for a couple of meals to driving that car?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever think back, like I can't believe all

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<v Speaker 1>the time all the time. Yeah, man, I Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>can vividly remember the things that we I mean, we didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>After a while, me and my sister, we were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stopped being hung up on the things that we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted because we knew we didn't. Just the money is

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<v Speaker 1>just not there, right, So I recall vividly. Um just

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the things that we needed in those things,

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<v Speaker 1>even not even being there sometimes because again so many

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<v Speaker 1>people in this house. Everybody's doing what they can and

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<v Speaker 1>make ends meet or whatever. But yeah, man, we just

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<v Speaker 1>did not come from luxury at all. So to be

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<v Speaker 1>where I am now, it's like it's it's almost surreal,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And now as now as

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<v Speaker 1>a parent myself, I'm trying to I'm battling with my

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<v Speaker 1>kids are not growing up the way I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I grew up appreciating money. Because when you

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<v Speaker 1>have nine, my kids are coming up the rich already.

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<v Speaker 1>They came out to womb rich. So I gotta make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I don't raise little heathens, you know, little

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<v Speaker 1>helliens that's run around spoiled as hell, expecting the world

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<v Speaker 1>to just, you know, catch how to them. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you able to kind of see through all of the

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<v Speaker 1>riff raff and eventually become neo? Like was there something

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<v Speaker 1>going on that inspired you at that point? Um? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, so from age seven, seven nine, somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in there, at this point, I'm I'm completely engulfed in

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<v Speaker 1>music now, not not from a professional standpoint, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>doing it trying to get a deal or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's my therapy at this point, like my mom

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<v Speaker 1>gave me the read notebook. Um, at a point where

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<v Speaker 1>I started becoming a knucklehead a little bit, just primarily

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm becoming a young man and I got nobody

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<v Speaker 1>to bounce these emotions and families off, right, So I

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<v Speaker 1>started doing silly ship, just just kind of lashing out

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<v Speaker 1>for no reason. Not for a reason, of course, but

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<v Speaker 1>so my mom gave me this red notebook and she

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<v Speaker 1>said write it down, and that was the beginnings of

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<v Speaker 1>my My songwriting journey started with with journal entries initially,

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<v Speaker 1>and I used to call it rant writing because whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting into that place where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>just grab my little my pin in my pad and write,

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<v Speaker 1>and first it would be words and then scribbles and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I realized that once I was done doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I was feeling, I didn't feel it no more,

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't in me anymore. It's on the page now.

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<v Speaker 1>So the music is is there, but it's not so

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<v Speaker 1>much something that I'm doing to try to make money

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<v Speaker 1>or be famous or anything like that. That didn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>until like maybe eleventh grade of high school. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>this whole time you're writing, so every day all day

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're these Was it like in a poetry

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<v Speaker 1>format yet or no? Or was it just like almost

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<v Speaker 1>like journaling? First it was journaling, then it became poetry

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<v Speaker 1>once I learned how much I like girls but was

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<v Speaker 1>not brave enough to talk to them. Wow, okay, all

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<v Speaker 1>what Nope? Nope, nope, nope. Was not that dude. Um

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<v Speaker 1>funny side story, So growing up in Las Vegas, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot for kids to do, At least initially

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't. All we really had with Circus Circus. Circus

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<v Speaker 1>Cercus one of the first casinos that you hit on

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<v Speaker 1>the strip. It's still there. It's like circus acts and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that type of ship. So every weekend, me

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<v Speaker 1>and my friends we would go to Circus Circus, walking

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<v Speaker 1>round upstairs. And mind you, they were the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>was brave enough to talk to girls. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're like acing the whole because like they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to talk to the girls, and if

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<v Speaker 1>the girls wasn't interested, they'd be like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>my boy can sing A boy that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>see you a song quick, I'm like, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>sing and then the night will go well, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was smart. Yeah. My first manager was my best friend

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin was up there. Yeah wow, so they was using

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<v Speaker 1>Now No part of you was like, well I could

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<v Speaker 1>do this, maybe just hum up to a girl, you know. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not not on my own. I just I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>that confidence because, mind you, I'm broke. I looked broke, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's very obvious that I'm broke. So I was that

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<v Speaker 1>broke dude who could sing a little bit, but definitely

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<v Speaker 1>that broke through Did you get made fun up in school? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>All that stuff that I was so so aside from

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<v Speaker 1>me being broke, um uh. God chose to to make

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<v Speaker 1>my hair situation a running joke in my life. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>My hair started finding here when I was maybe ten, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just kind of continued on through high school

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where I was allowed to wear my

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<v Speaker 1>hat because I used to get in fights all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and hid people talking about wow, didn't you wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>shaving it then? Or no no, no, no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>because that that felt I'm ten years old, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be bald. I didn't want that in

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<v Speaker 1>mind you, I wasn't a I wasn't like really a

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<v Speaker 1>sports kid, so I wasn't like looking up to Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that. Like the high school I went

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<v Speaker 1>to didn't even have a team. It was a performing

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<v Speaker 1>arts high school. So I've been I've been an artie

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<v Speaker 1>farci kid like my whole life. Okay, okay, now you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying that you were shy with women. You start

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<v Speaker 1>to your discovering writing, So is it like you would

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<v Speaker 1>see a girl then, because I have to know where

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<v Speaker 1>like the love songs come from, like the most amazing

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<v Speaker 1>love songs, So it's like you see her and you're

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<v Speaker 1>like pretty much yep. I had poems about girls, hair,

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<v Speaker 1>poems about girls, eyes, poems about uh, it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I liked about these girls. But I would

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<v Speaker 1>never be brave enough to give the poem to the

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<v Speaker 1>girl or recite the poem to the girl. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was just sit in the book. So one day and

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<v Speaker 1>mind you, my mother, everybody in my family does something musical,

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<v Speaker 1>bid writing, singing, rapping and producing instrument whatever something, so

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<v Speaker 1>music has like kind of always been there. So before

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<v Speaker 1>I started writing songs again, it was it was journal entries,

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<v Speaker 1>then poetry, and then one day I realized that if

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<v Speaker 1>I took these poems and put these melodies to him,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's flowing through my head all day anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a song, oh ship. And then from there just it

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<v Speaker 1>was songs. It was every time I sat down to write,

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<v Speaker 1>I was writing a song. I write a song, singing

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<v Speaker 1>back to myself, a cool put the notebook back into

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<v Speaker 1>my bed, and going by, Now, did you share these

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<v Speaker 1>songs with your family? Oh? So you was keeping your

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<v Speaker 1>stuff a secret. It was for me. It was for

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<v Speaker 1>me because mind you, it was. It was again, it

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<v Speaker 1>was my therapy. It was whenever I, you know, came

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<v Speaker 1>home from school and and you know, people have been

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<v Speaker 1>talking ship or whatever the case may be, or or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, me and my sister got in an argument

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<v Speaker 1>about something. Me and my sister really really close. So

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<v Speaker 1>whenever we would fight a big deal, because like that's

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<v Speaker 1>like like we're not twins for two years apart, but

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<v Speaker 1>we might as well be twins. That's that's my twin, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was it was. It was therapy. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about being fly, It wasn't about making money.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize I could make money doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>yet at this point I'm just doing it because it

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<v Speaker 1>feels good. So what happens in the eleventh grade where

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, uh, pop concert? So I told you, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to performing out of high school every year and

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<v Speaker 1>thought this big talent show that they were called pop

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<v Speaker 1>Concert and it was a major, major, major, major deal

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody in the school except for me and the

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<v Speaker 1>people that I was with. I was an art major, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we would they would they would have us like

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<v Speaker 1>make banners and flyers and stuff. But that's the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we would be that we would be obligated

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<v Speaker 1>to do for the pop concert because we were artists.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't the singers and the dancers and the tech

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<v Speaker 1>guys like that it is for them. So every year

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<v Speaker 1>the art majors just kind of like the grassy no kids,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So we're kind of sitting

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<v Speaker 1>back laughing at how serious everybody is taking this pop concert.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people in the cafteria crying can't get the stuff, like, relax,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not getting signed by this, Okay, that's not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>To calm down. So um, me and my me and

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<v Speaker 1>my art friends. We decided this year that we was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just do something to kind of ease the tension

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody, or at least that's what we thought, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we pulled straws. I pulled the short straw. The

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<v Speaker 1>plan was, find a way to get on the concert.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when you get on stage, stand up moon the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd running Ohan. So I pulled the short straw. That

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<v Speaker 1>was how you were going to ease the tension? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean because it was. It was It was just

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<v Speaker 1>us making fun of how how serious everybody was taking

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, y'all think, y'all let the Grammys right now.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in high school. Seriously relaxed. But but anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>so I went to the choir room and I sang

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<v Speaker 1>Boysmen into the Road, and the choir teacher was like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you not in my class? Because I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a singer? Sure I guess you are? Now? Am I am?

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<v Speaker 1>I end? She said, yeah, all right back, because I again,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have the confidence in myself to like take

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<v Speaker 1>it seriously. But even though your friends kept making you

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<v Speaker 1>sing in front of girls, yeah, but you didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a singer. Wow, It didn't dawn on me. At

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<v Speaker 1>that point. So night at the concert, I get up there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody's like, you know what you gotta do?

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<v Speaker 1>You got to playing? All right? Great? Cool, So get

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<v Speaker 1>on the stage. The song starts, boys, well, no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's I make love to you into the road

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<v Speaker 1>do yeah. Um. So funny thing happened because I knew

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<v Speaker 1>what I was supposed to do. I knew what the

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<v Speaker 1>plan was. As soon as the song starts, act like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna sing, I stopped turn around moon run right

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<v Speaker 1>the plan. As soon as the song started, I kid

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<v Speaker 1>you not. I kid you not. As soon as the

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<v Speaker 1>song started, I looked up and the room was empty.

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<v Speaker 1>The crowd was not there anymore, and I'm uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just started singing, and I just sang the song.

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<v Speaker 1>I sang the whole song that once I realized the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd wasn't there anymore, I just closed my eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>sang the whole damn song. And then by the time

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<v Speaker 1>was up, mind you, the song ended to no applause

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody was like, that's a little thing to be

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<v Speaker 1>drawing the pictures. It was one of those ones, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the following day, and this is this is when

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<v Speaker 1>I started really thinking, all right, maybe I could, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I could do this as a professional. Following day, all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, I'm getting all kind of attention that

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<v Speaker 1>I never got before. Girls shape for shaper' is my

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<v Speaker 1>real name then, and that doesn't want shaper So so

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<v Speaker 1>roughly after that, a friend of mine that went to

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<v Speaker 1>another school. Because mind you, at this point, people are talking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Vegas is a little people are talking like sing.

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<v Speaker 1>So he comes to me it's like, um, me and

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<v Speaker 1>my friends were putting together a singing group. I won't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you want to be a part of group. Like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>in mind you. Even at this point, I'm not like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna become a part of this group and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a record deal and we're gonna make a

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<v Speaker 1>million sell a million records. It wasn't that yet. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just this is another opportunity for me to write

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<v Speaker 1>and sing because this is what I love to do. Wow, now,

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<v Speaker 1>your sister, everyone around you is not saying, oh, baby, bro, like,

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<v Speaker 1>well you're you're younger, right, I'm older, big bro. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you why. Because so in my family, my sister,

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<v Speaker 1>my sister sings as well. But my sister was born ready,

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<v Speaker 1>like she didn't have to. I had to. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to train and and and practice and become a good singer.

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<v Speaker 1>She was born with it, right. I heard her ship

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<v Speaker 1>is effortless, like she'll come in here and blow the

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<v Speaker 1>roof off this place. I think she don't have She

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the drive that I have, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here and she's not. But the skill. And I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know you could practice to get as good as you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I thought it was amongst the way you. You

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<v Speaker 1>just did a little, and I was like, remind you,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this since I was ninety two. Anything

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<v Speaker 1>you do for that long, I should hope you get

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<v Speaker 1>a little good at it. So you're saying like, if

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<v Speaker 1>I practice really hard, if you are not horrible singing

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<v Speaker 1>in the shower, if you are not toned there, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>definitely you are. If I sang a tone to you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't repeat that tone, I guarantee you I will think

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<v Speaker 1>I repeated it and you will be like, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>the literal definition of tone death, right, got it? Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>I've been like, oh I hit that, I killed him

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<v Speaker 1>Marai and then not. Ye, that's what tone death is.

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<v Speaker 1>When if I go h and you go uh and

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<v Speaker 1>you think they were doing the same note, that's Tom Death. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I loke. You want to practice this off quickly? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>no no, no, no no, no, no, no nice nice in

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the road. Okay, ready, here we go. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>do it again? Uh you're laughing? Okay one time when

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<v Speaker 1>I promise you, okay, just repeat what I do. Uh damn.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tone death can never be a singer, well not necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>so there there's there have been cases where tone deaf

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<v Speaker 1>people learned how to sing, but it is exceptionally harder

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<v Speaker 1>because you're you literally can't hear the tones. Oh so,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you're good at so many other things accepted,

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<v Speaker 1>You'll never I can't cook. Is that why weingrunch right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I can't cook yet? But put me in the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and you don't want your house clearly because it's

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<v Speaker 1>going up. So I'm sorry, I got us all off

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<v Speaker 1>off track. So you joined this boy group. Trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get you back on. So you joined the boy group. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my name was in the because you're from Nevada in

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<v Speaker 1>the boats lage in the y. I don't thought that

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<v Speaker 1>she was so cool and he about don't back. So

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<v Speaker 1>you joined the guy group. And then you're like, at

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<v Speaker 1>what point does it start to you start to realize

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<v Speaker 1>that you're um so all right. So I meet the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the guys in the group, and two of

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 1>them I knew already, just just from again in Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>is small. Uh. So we were sitting putting harmonies together

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<v Speaker 1>and and I'm kind of taking charge, not on purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>but just because I know, like, all right, so you

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<v Speaker 1>have the lowest voice, so clearly you would be the

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<v Speaker 1>you be the base. You have the highest voice that

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be, you know, and just putting everybody in their places,

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<v Speaker 1>and we sound good, Like, we sound pretty damn good.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I was like, all right, so now we

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<v Speaker 1>just need original songs. And I'm like, oh we ship,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on here, let's try this. And they're like, holy ship,

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<v Speaker 1>you did that fast, and like what does it take

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<v Speaker 1>a long time? I just did what I normally do,

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<v Speaker 1>and and they were impressed. And so I meet the manager,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that's managing the group, and he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he got stars in his eyes. He's like, okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, here we're gonna do now this and this

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<v Speaker 1>and this and that that that and put and as

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<v Speaker 1>just at this point, I'm really sitting and like trying

0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to like seeing things kind of come together, like this

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<v Speaker 1>could really this could actually probably really be something like Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so now I'm taking it serious now Now now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>writing specifically, I'm writing songs for my group, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is who this is who I am at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a member of this group. I'm writing songs for

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 1>this group. Were rehearsing every day, putting harmonies together, doing

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<v Speaker 1>talent shows around the city, like you know, good things,

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<v Speaker 1>good things. Um, we actually did the showtime at the

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<v Speaker 1>Apollo And how old were you senior in high school?

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<v Speaker 1>This was right after high school. No no no, no, no, no, i'mline, i'mline.

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<v Speaker 1>We were actually still who I've seen in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>right because I remember having to go back to school

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, how did it go a little okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it didn't go okay? Yeah, well okay, I put

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<v Speaker 1>it to you this way. We didn't get booed off

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 1>the stage. Sam Man didn't come out, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>an exceptional amount of booze happening as we were doing

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<v Speaker 1>what we were doing. That's crazy, yeah, man, we at

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<v Speaker 1>this point we have been doing talent shows and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>around the city. So like we we understood to a

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>degree what the stage was, we didn't know what the

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Apollo stage was. Like. We got up there and nerves

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>just took over it. We sounded terrible. It was bad.

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 1>It was bad. You could actually find it on YouTube

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and stage. Okay, yeah, yes, Neo and a Well, my

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>name wasn't Neo at that time. It was it was

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Go Go Go Go. Okay. Yes, childhood nickname based off

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of Go Go the Dodo Birds h w B character.

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>My mom gave me the name because I was it

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 1>was silly. Yeah, I was a really silly kid. So

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>when you have that experience at Apollo, do you start

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to say, well, maybe I'm crazy for pursuing this. Do

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>you start to doubt yourself? Um? I mean it was

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>definitely uh you know what, I think, above anything else,

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>our egos was really harmed with that because we just

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>we walked mind you, We walked in there with all

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the confidence and chest out like we just knew we

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 1>was that next thing. We walked in like that, and

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>it was a very large and disgusting slice of humble pie.

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>But but I feel like it kind of needed to happen.

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 1>We needed to be brought down a couple of peggs,

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we were getting to that place where

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>we were big headed. Every talent show we did except

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>for like one, we we won everything talent show. So

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>we're like a polo. We got this and we went

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>in there and yeah, it was not it was not

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a good day. Not a good day. So then, now

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>how do you get from that? I'm going to try

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to fast track you now to writing your first hit song. Okay, well, um,

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the group eventually disband not after the Apollo. We kept trying.

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 1>After the Apollo. We actually moved to California, me and

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>all the guys. Um, we didn't have jobs. So we

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>we we graduated high school and then we sat in

0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>the Denny's and wrote out our plan on a napkin.

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Right moved to California. Right drive to California from Las

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Vegas and Corey's van. Corey was one of the guys

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>in the group and the only one of us with

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>a car. Right drive getting Corey's van. Drive to California.

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Find the Capitol Records Building. Park in front of the

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Capitol Records Building, stand up on top of the van,

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.479
<v Speaker 1>sing our songs until the president of Capital of Records

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>runs out and demands that we signed to his record label.

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Wrote it on the Napkina plan, let's do it. Let's go,

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>all right, So everybody packs, We're getting the van we

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>had off. We get to Vegas, find a Capital Records

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Building California, sorry, California, California. Find a Capital Records Building,

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>parking front of Capital Records Building, get on top of

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the van, singing our songs. People are kind of you know,

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>stopping and watching and whatnot, but keeping they keep pushing.

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Um security kick this up to property, which we didn't anticipate. Okay, Um,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>all right, so it's not gonna happen today, got it,

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>got it. We'll come back. Yeah, we'll just come back tomorrow. Yeah,

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back tomorrow. Okay cool? Oh ship, Um, where

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>are we going to sleep tonight? Yeah? See what we

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>what we didn't factor into that. That thing that we

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:13.479
<v Speaker 1>wrote down on the on the napkin was shelter food.

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>You guys were like, we're gonna get signed, and that's it, right,

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>We just we just knew that the second we got there,

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and from the first song we was getting a record deal.

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>This is we just knew this and that did not happen.

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>So Cory's van became home for about six months for

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>all of you guys, all of us. Yes, shoot, so

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>how did you survive money wise? Did you guys um

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>our jobs here and there? Um? How long did was it?

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Six months? Six months? Six months? Shoot? Yeah? Man? Now

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>were you comfortable with girls enough to like try to

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>like sleep at a girl's crip every once in a while,

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>every now and then at this point, Yeah, I've learned

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to use my powers at this point, Yeah, it was. Yeah,

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 1>talking to women became a little easier, even as even

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>as broked living in the van. Now I believe in

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you really well, let me sleep on your cap. You

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>got twenty dollars for the dude you believe in. Yeah,

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of dudes still do that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not proud of it. But the name of the

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>game of survival, damn that do that to do? Yeah? So, um,

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the group eventually disbands. You know, everybody's tired of living

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in the band really, But within this six months, we're

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>moving around the city, were bothering celebrities as they run

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>coming out of restaurants. Hey, excuse, hey, we're seeing you

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>might have we seen free all right? Cool? Well, thank

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you for like his music anyway, but hurt feelings hurt. Yeah.

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>But but you guys was on it. And this was

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>for social media because if you had social media, y'all

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>would have been before all that. Now you literally had

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to harass people find him in run up on? Did

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>he as he working out the restaurant? Did? He actually

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 1>stopped for us and me saying he was like, that's dope,

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that's dope, keep doing it, and got in his car

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and bounced like, so is he gonna call it? He

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>said it was good? Did you get it? I didn't

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>get his numbers? Did you didn't get his number? Dawn?

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys back to the van? It get it? Yeah?

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>But now we wound up meeting uh, this cat who

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>had a boy band signed to Hollywood Records, which was

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Disney's record label at the time, and he basically said

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that he was like, if you guys write some songs

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>for this group, I can then talk to Hollywood Records

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>about maybe potentially signing y'all. Alright, cool, so wrote some

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>songs for the group. Mind you, At this time, we

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know anything about publishing and rights and all that

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>because they can write right. No, no, no, no, we

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>all write. Everybody everybody writes. I was a little faster

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>than everybody else, but we could all we could all right,

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So wrote these songs for this group named the group

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was Youngstown. Shout out to Youngstown. They were actually really

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>cool guys, but um yeah, I didn't want up getting

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the money that we were supposed to get for that. Uh.

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>We learned at that point that the record the music

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>industry is full of people that will absolutely take advantage

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>of whatever you don't know. Like they're not gonna they're

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>not gonna sit you down and tell you. They're gonna

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of the fact that you don't know, right. So, uh,

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that was a learning experience, but it was also our

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>only kind of end to the music industry. So when

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the band, when the group this, this band, I kind

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of stayed in contact with that dude, and um so,

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>so I'm at this point, I'm living with one of

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>their staff producers. Shout out to my man, Paully Paul,

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh living with him and his family. Minded they're they're

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>they're filthy rich. So they had a big house and

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the I'm in the basement somewhere and we

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>just wake up and we do music every day just

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>just because, like not even so much knowing what we're

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna do with it. We're just doing it just because

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>just to do it right. So, um that the guy

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>that managed that group at the time, he's then taking

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>these songs and shopping him, you know, trying to trying

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:07.719
<v Speaker 1>to trying to settle. Are you still under contract at

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>this point when I'm just I'm literally just me and

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 1>PAULI are good friends and he's letting me live here

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>and we wake up every day and we do music.

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>This is art. This is what we do. So uh,

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>They're moving around New York and what nott trying to

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>shop these records and people are asking questions about the

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>voice on the records because I'm singing, I'm writing in

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>singing these records to be shopped to other people, and

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they're like, well, who's the guy singing, Oh, that's the writer.

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>His name that was just using my reading name at

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the time, Shaffer. So what what what do you want

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to do here? You're trying to So manager comes back

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's like, yo, they want to give you

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>a deal. And initially I was like, nah, why Because

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I had never done anything as a solo before. I

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to do that. And I'm like, wait,

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>just me, what can I call my They're like, no,

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that's done this, they won't to see you. I'm by myself. Oh.

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>So they eventually talked me into it, so I got

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a record, a regular son of Columbia Records. Um, it

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>was more money than I than I had seen at

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>that point, which was cool, and I mean my view,

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a lot. It was it was artists advanced.

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>But this moment that I had a time, so uh,

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 1>going through the process of putting this album together for

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Columbia Records, I'm excited about the whole thing. Um, it's

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>basically what we've been doing, me and PAULI, just making

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>music every day, but now we're making music for my

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>debut album. So it's like right, Um, But what I'm

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>realizing is that the A and rs and the record label,

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, they have a very specific vision of who

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>they want me to be, right to the point where

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 1>they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that song is cool, but

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 1>can you write something more like this? Yeah? And then

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't weary that where these yeah, I don't work

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>with those producers. Work with these producers like like they're

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>molding what it is they want and how old at

0:33:55.040 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>this time? Um? Like early and mind you, I'm so

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>green and just so excited for something to finally be happening.

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking that I can't tell these people know

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>so anything that I'm like ya, yeah, alright, we're doing that.

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Who alight, who let's do that. That's how I am

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:19.760
<v Speaker 1>right now all the time? What the road right? So

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>so um and mind you? And they was they was

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 1>doing the most like I don't hold grudges or have

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>any regrets, but say our cast was doing me there day.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>It was like every time we come to New York,

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>these casts take us to mind you, I'm I'm I'm green.

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I've never been to New York, taking us to these

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>really fancy restaurants Mr. The Childs and all of that,

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and every time the bill come, they just pop down

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the credit card. Everything is all good. What they didn't

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>tell me is that the money on that credit card

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>is my recording budget. Yeah. So we had missed Childs

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars thousand dollar dinners on me and I had

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 1>no idea. I had no clue to the point where

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 1>I finally Okay. So, so album is done, artwork is done,

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>everything is ready to go, and I'm looking at this

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>picture of myself and I'm like, I have no idea

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 1>who this person is. I don't know this person. I'm

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>listening to the music like, yeah, it's cool, but this

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>is not this is not me. This is this is

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 1>their their version of me. Like and so I didn't.

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>So I went to them like, would it be cool

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>if I maybe went in and did a couple of

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>songs that just made a little more sense with who

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I am? And they're like, well, I mean yeah you could,

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 1>but your budget. Your budget is depleted. And I'm like,

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean, well, you're you're recording budget is gone.

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how I know for a fact we didn't

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>spend all the all the recording money on the recording

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, whoa, yeah, it's gone. And mind you,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it took somebody in the office that worked for the

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>A and Are to come to me like soul. So

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>here's what happens. You know those Mr Child's visits, Yeah,

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that was that was that was on your budget. And

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, but but I was I didn't say they

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>could do that. Well, I mean, you kind of don't

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 1>have to. Like they the label gives them the card

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and their job is to make sure that you produce

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>an album. And you know, so if they produce your

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 1>album for cheap and this is left over, they pretty

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>much get to do what everything to what. I'm like,

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>what ass? That's crazy. Yeah. I don't know if that's

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>still the case. I doubt it nowadays, just because you know,

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>labels are slowly but surely getting the obsolete. But um,

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:21.879
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so that's that's what the deal was back then.

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 1>So I kind of rebelled. I was like, I don't

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do this. This is not me,

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>this isn't who I am. And they're like, so you're

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>not going to cooperate. I'm like, well na, I mean

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if y'all let me go in and do

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a couple more songs, maybe alright. Cool. So they shelved me,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and I sat on the shelf for two years. No.

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>That was God. That had to have been scary. Um,

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>not so much scary as it was depressing, because I'm

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>like back to square one, Like I have a record deal,

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I have an album. Um, it's not coming out, and

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm but I'm in the contract, so I can't do

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>anything else or going or anything. So what happens if

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>you do? Um? What a statement sue when I got anohing?

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, they could. So I'm I'm and I'm

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.359
<v Speaker 1>at this point, I'm like, all right, well, so how

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>do you get out of a shelf deal? What do

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.279
<v Speaker 1>you have to do? Um? So my management eventually goes

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>in them and goes listen to kids. Is still young

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>If you're not gonna do not with him and just

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>let him go. So lawyer's lawsuits, la la, la la la.

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>They finally decided to let me go. They kept the album,

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 1>kept the rest of the album that I did while

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I was over there, which I gave up freely. I'm like, fine,

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>take it. I just want to be free, just want

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to be out of here. So they took it cool.

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>So now I'm back to Score one. I'm living in California.

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I have my own place, but I'm sharing it with

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>two other guys, two friends of mine, because I'm somewhat

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>broken in right. So some time is passing. Management is

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, moving around, trying to find another situation. UM.

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 1>In the process, of all of this. I'm driving down

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 1>the street one day and I don't know whose car

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't have one. I don't know whose car was.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Pauli's sister's car. Anyway, UM driving

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>down the street and a song comes on the radio,

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 1>a song called that Girl by Marcus Houston. If I

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted that gerl, then I would be with that gerl.

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>But that one ain't for me. I remember, this is

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the best day of my life. But every time you

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 1>sing it's the best day of my life. Every time,

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you, Let's see you. Sorry blessing, but

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>so so I wrote that song. That song was actually

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be my first single when I was signed

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to Columbia Records. You wrote that I wrote that song.

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 1>My voice is still all the backgrounds on that song

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 1>is me. They kept my voice on the record. They

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 1>just sold it to Marcus Houston. I had no idea

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 1>that they sold it to Marcus Houston. I'm driving down

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the street and this song comes on the radio and

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I know this record, that's my record with

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>what the hell? So I called the management like yo,

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>they so, when did they give the record to Marcus Houston?

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what, Well do I get a chicken?

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Why don't get ye? The rights? Right? I mean we

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>eventually went back in you know, lawyer's walls. La la

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>la got what I was old. But at the time,

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is just talk about kick when you down,

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Like damn, I'm already over. I'm already back in square one.

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Now at any point in this, are you crying like tears?

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Like tears, I can imagine you were. Um, I've never

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>been afraid of emotion. Emotion. We have emotions to help us.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.359
<v Speaker 1>We're supposed to use them. The thing that the thing

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that messes us up is that we we tend to

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>let our emotions run us and you wind up using

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the wrong emotion for the wrong situation or you know,

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 1>just going farther than you shoot on an emotion. But

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I but I've never been My mom raised me like,

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>listen if it feels good, smile, laugh if it hurts, cry,

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and never be ashamed of either one because you've been

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>giving these or a reason you're supposed to use them.

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>That whole macho thing. Men don't cry, it's the hell

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:15.759
<v Speaker 1>we do. Yeah, we do. If you know what's good

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>for you, because otherwise you hold that ship in and

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>then you blow up at some dude at the store,

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>and now you're in jail. Somebody took your gas pumpers.

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>So you hear your song on the radio, and you know,

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>crying my thug tears, and I called my manager and

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and he told me that there was pretty much nothing

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>we could do at the time. So I cried a

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>few more thug tears and then I kind of just

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>kept pushing after that. It's like, at that point, um,

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>my relationship with said manager is doing the ling because

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, um, I don't know, I don't know if

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>they're going as hard to try to find another situation

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>as they did with that, because they were. They were

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of mad at me, honestly, because I'm part I'm

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty much the reason that we got shelf because there

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>saying all right, so we got this set up and

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>this set up and this set up and it set up,

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I'm not doing none of that ship

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>because I don't This album is not me. And they're like, oh, okay,

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>well the next thing, and my management is like, yeah right,

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>So we eventually, you know, dad it, So now I'm

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>really back at square one. I don't even have management anymore. Man,

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>PAULI still cool, but you know, PAULI is moving on

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 1>doing other things. Um. So that's when I'm I remember,

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm walking down the street. Uh, like a block away

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 1>from the crib. I was going to the corner store

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And if I'm by myself, I'm by myself then,

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>which means I'm a sing like I'm by myself. So

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm walking down the streets singing at the top of

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>my lines. The people walking past them from ards. I

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 1>don't care. I'm just I'm just I'm here. I got

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the blinders on the right, but I did notice a

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 1>STUV driving in the opposite directions. Hit thing and come back,

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 1>turn around to come back, pull up next to me.

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Hey are you seeing or something? Yeah? Oh well the

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>money I noticed, right. Yes. So Tango, my current manager,

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>we met, shout out to a man, Tango, this is

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 1>how we met. So mind you. He's like, yo, I

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>got the studio on these producers. We literally right around

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 1>the corner. Uh, come let me show you pull up.

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>So I just found him, Like, okay, they do it

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>could be a murderer, Um, but let's go all right.

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>So I hop in the truck pull off. We pull

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>about ten minutes down to down the way to where

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the studio is at. I made the producers. We sit

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>up and talk. You know. It's a cool vibe. Start

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>making music that same night. Um, but mind you, nobody's

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 1>talking deal, nobody's talking anything like that yet. We just

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm literally just writing me songs, you know, sitting laugh

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>and joking with him. And then gone, right, So one

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>day time they don't know your back story or anything.

0:42:55.680 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>You guys, just nobody knows anything. So Tango goes. After

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.479
<v Speaker 1>about two three weeks of this, Tango goes, all right,

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get your record deal. And then I don't

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 1>know about all that, And he was like, why I

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>had a record deal before, and that that if if

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what happen, a record deal is owned. He was like,

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, you just went in there with the

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>wrong people. He's like, listen, give me four months. If

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't give you a record deal in four months,

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>walk away, hands washing, no contract on nothing. I'm like,

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>cool too much later at a record months later, I

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>had a record deal. Uh. And it was kind of

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of on purpose by accident, because we

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>started out kind of the same way we started with

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.879
<v Speaker 1>the other management, just doing records and moving them around,

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>shopping them whatnot. Um. We were in New York on

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>on on a mission like that, just moving around playing

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>records for different record labels. We stopped at the Death

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Jam building because the person I was with, my man Sauce.

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 1>He's a producer, uh from the groups offing of people

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>are early nineties I remember, but anyway, he's my my

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 1>vocal producer all that. So I'm with him and he says, yo,

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>before we go back to the hotel, let's stop in

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 1>the Death Cham building, not to shopping on records, but

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a friend of his works in the Death End building

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>that he hasn't seen since high school. And he's like,

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm in New York. I at least want to go

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>say what's up? All right, cool? We head upstairs. He

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell me that this friend was Tina Davis, who

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>at the time was head of A and R for Right.

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 1>So we're walked in her office. I've never seen him before,

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who she is. I'm like, all right, cool.

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sitting the corner on some thumb Twitter like

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 1>waiting on them to hit the whole reunited and it

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>feels so good. Oh yeah, you look nice seeing you, said, girl,

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>did you cut your hair out of all of this?

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, all right, I'm hunger. Now go give

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>me a slice of pizza that we leave here. Huh

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>oh nice to meet you. Yeah. So she goes to him, So,

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 1>what you mean up to I'm doing this, doing that?

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm working with this writers, Neil, he's

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.439
<v Speaker 1>a writer. La la la la. Oh you're right, yeah,

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Well she played me something, starts playing with some of

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the music. She's listening to the music, but she's but

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 1>she's locked on me to the point where I'm like,

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>hell's wrong with right? So so she she goes, you

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>wrote these yeah, and that she's singing too. Yeah you

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>can dance? Yeah a little bit? What right? Right now? Yeah?

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I got up. I'm sorry performing to the record. I'm

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.399
<v Speaker 1>like performing to her because I looked at that as

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 1>a challenge, like, you're not gonna challenge me. This is

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.319
<v Speaker 1>my music, it's my ship. You're not gonna challenge me.

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>So I got up. I'm performing, stood up on her

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>desk the whole night. I went for it, mind you,

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>stone faced the whole time no emotions. Jeez, I would

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>have been hold on to say, hey mr ready busy, Yeah,

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I have somebody you might want me, Okay, come with me. Up.

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.800
<v Speaker 1>You heard and you knew who that was. I know

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.399
<v Speaker 1>exactly who that was. So at this at this point,

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I look over itself, was like, what was

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 1>happening right now? Right right? So we go up, We

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 1>shiit sit outside his office for a few minutes. I'm

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>sitting there with Sauce. I'm like, bro, He's like, I

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.479
<v Speaker 1>don't know unless we're here. We're here, all right, cool.

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>So I walked in the room. I remember at the

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 1>time he had this long office, or at least I

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 1>might be making this up, and this is what it

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>felt like in my mind. I walked in the door,

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.839
<v Speaker 1>just long office because he was all the way over there,

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>big chair and uh and it's like couches on either side.

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 1>He has his his tastemaker is sitting in the room

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 1>with him, his taste people that that, you know, the

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 1>people who people whose opinions he trust. So I walked

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 1>in and he's like, so you're the next big thing

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>hunt and I'm like, all right, well, let me hear something.

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 1>So I started playing the same song that I that

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I performed for for a Teina earlier. So senior record,

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>same thing. Hop up on the desk, the whole nine

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 1>right stone faces from the whole room. No one is

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>giving me anything. I'm like, okay, we were just wasting

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone's time here. Clearly they're not interested. So I finished,

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 1>no applause, no nothing, and l A goes all right,

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>thank you, can you step out? Let me how let

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>my folks right quick. I'm like yeah, sure. So we

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>go back outside, sitting out there for like an hour,

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the lady that she was so nice.

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 1>She gave with chips and water and everything, and she

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>was like she was like normally if it takes as long,

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a good thing. And I'm like, okay, alright. So

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:53.360
<v Speaker 1>hour goes by. I'm like, you saw they faces. They

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>let's let it all right. So we get up and

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 1>as we're walking out, like folks, their head out the

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 1>door says Neil, what's your lawyer's information? LA wants to

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>give you? Uh, I don't have a limople. Okay, we'll

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 1>work that out. We'll work that out. Congratulations and thank

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. We'll call you Tom. All right,

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'll tell you. So we walked out of

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 1>building number what does that? What? What did I just

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.759
<v Speaker 1>accidentally get a deal just now? So? Yeah, it was,

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>it was, it was. It was a moment. Now when

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you talk to Sauce, did you ever ask him like

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:48.319
<v Speaker 1>did he know kind of what he was walking you into? No?

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>We literally went in there so that he could see

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Tina here though. Yeah, am Id we had already we

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>had already been to Death Jam shopping music that week,

0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:00.800
<v Speaker 1>so we didn't that was what we was going in

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.399
<v Speaker 1>there for. Like, we went in there like two days

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 1>before that, talking to somebody else trying to shop some records,

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, yeah, these are nice, We'll

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 1>call you like all right whatever, and we left went

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 1>back literally just for that, and and walked out with

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a record deal. What a story? Yeah, and then you

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>at what point do you have your first major hit

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 1>breakout record. I'm not talking under because you had hits

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 1>before your format before the deal. Yeah. Um, so before

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the whole record deal situation. Um Tango knew some people

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 1>that worked with Dr Dre Right, so that's where he

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.319
<v Speaker 1>took me initially, trying to get me signs. I'm gonna

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.320
<v Speaker 1>see if Dr Dre wanted to sign me. So I

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 1>went in there and you know, met with Dr Drames,

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>starts struck moment like wow, man, right, So he's playing

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.919
<v Speaker 1>me tracks like think you right to this? Yeah? Hell yeah?

0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:04.840
<v Speaker 1>And he's like hold on, and then you'll play the

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 1>same track with a song on it already from this

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.839
<v Speaker 1>other artist. And I guess apparently I didn't notice at

0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the time, but apparently he was trying to decide between

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>me and this other artist. I don't remember to do

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>his name, but but he had a weird style anyway,

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:19.279
<v Speaker 1>it was he was he was. He was a little

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 1>bit more funned than me. So he eventually wound up

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 1>going with old Boy. But every time he would play

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:25.239
<v Speaker 1>me a record, I'm like, he's like, you like, can

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 1>you beat this? Yeah? I think so. Right, So I'm

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.959
<v Speaker 1>writing records, writing records, writing records. I wrote. I wrote

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 1>like four records in an hour, right, Damn, you're good,

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>he was. So he was like, he was like, this

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.359
<v Speaker 1>is good. He was good. Let me let me think

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>about it, right, So come back the next day He's like, yeah,

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm ana go with my man, you know,

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 1>just for what we're trying to do. He just got

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more wrong, and I'm like, okay, that's fine,

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 1>So back to the drawing board. But as we're leaving,

0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Scott Storch, Scott Storch stops was like, Yo, I don't

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 1>know the hell dre talking about, but if you ever

0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:01.759
<v Speaker 1>in Miami looked me up? Okay, I left. I guess

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.880
<v Speaker 1>him and Tango had a conversation after I left, if

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>you wanted up in Miami to follow on a week

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 1>he just happened to be working for Mario. Wow. Okay.

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 1>The first song that we did together was you should

0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Let Me Love You first on Me and Scott did together. Yeah. Yeah,

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and I remember, um, I mean when we finished with

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the record, like we we knew it was special, like

0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.439
<v Speaker 1>we we both said that, like yeah, and we got

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>some addition. Yeah. That's when I was like, I was like,

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:29.839
<v Speaker 1>is Mario is that dude gonna be able to pull

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>this off? Because my I didn't know Mario all I

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>knew at the time he was like still young. I

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 1>remember to break my hair record and I'm like, this

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>was like a it's like a love record like this,

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 1>this this record got an old soul. Only is he

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.879
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to deliver this man that that dude

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 1>made me eat my words when he showed up. Mind

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.319
<v Speaker 1>he I think he had just turned eighteen, So I'm

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.480
<v Speaker 1>really like, he ain't gonna know what this song. He

0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 1>don't be able to pull it dad and got it

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>in and cut that song in an hour, one hour,

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 1>whole song finished, start to finish, ad libs everything I

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 1>had apologized to that dude that I literally going to

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>brom I'm gonna keep funking with you. I counter Drea

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>before you got here. I didn't think he was gonna

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.280
<v Speaker 1>be able. I didn't know you was baby Sam cooking

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 1>this thing. Da congratulations. So we became cool after that.

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:22.160
<v Speaker 1>So the song comes out and uh yeah, it blows up.

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 1>It becomes the number one twelve weeks, the second most

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 1>play song and radio hits something something nuts like that.

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 1>So so I went in to that death gam situation

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 1>with that one in the tuck like I had already

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 1>did it, and it just came out. So it wasn't

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:45.319
<v Speaker 1>like a big, big, big, big wow. So you had

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the heat you had had, but but it wasn't. It

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>hadn't blown yet. It was out and like people was

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:53.399
<v Speaker 1>talking about it, but it hadn't like really gone yet.

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.640
<v Speaker 1>So by the time I got to meet jay Z,

0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>because you know, remember l Ay was CEO, jay Z

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:01.359
<v Speaker 1>was president. So by the time I got to meet

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:03.440
<v Speaker 1>jay Z walking the room and I'm like, hey, how

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:04.959
<v Speaker 1>you doing. My name is Neil, And he was like, Nick,

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>why do you get that song away? Nice to meet

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 1>you too, Mr G sir, All right, cool? Uh can

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>we start over? Because that was that was that was

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the thing, So he really did. Those are his first

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>words to me, why do you get a damn song away?

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Because I wrote it for family? Like, nah, but you

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 1>should have kept that that was yours. I got more

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I can write, but um, but yeah, yeah yeah. So

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>for a long time I was just a little neigta

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.760
<v Speaker 1>rot the Mario song. That was my name for like

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a like a long anywhere I went, especially to James,

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>like a little Neiga with the Mario h um, the

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 1>little neiggat pleasure. Yes, it's a long name, is it?

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Is it foreign? Yeah? It is. At any of these points,

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 1>are you like I have officially arrived. No, even when

0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 1>jay Z is referring to you as the little No,

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm still not. It's still not registering to me that

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I've that I've made it at this point because it's

0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:27.480
<v Speaker 1>just I'm really just working and working and working and

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.120
<v Speaker 1>just going with the flow, not paying attention to what's

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of happening around me. So like it it's I

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>never I didn't want. I didn't care to be famous.

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get into this for that. I mean, I

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.919
<v Speaker 1>didn't get into this to make money. I thank God

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that I've learned that I can make money from this,

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't my motivating factor for doing this. I

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>love music. If nobody ever paid me ever again to

0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 1>do music, you still pull up and find me right here,

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:55.640
<v Speaker 1>like this is my leisure time, right, So I'm not

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not paying attention to you know, the Mario song

0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>is blown up and everybody's I'm like, okay, cool, what's

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 1>time in the studio? You know, I'm not. I'm not.

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>It literally took ten years for me to finally sit

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>still long enough to go oh Ship. We did win

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>three Grammars, didn't we oh Ship? We did sell it

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>to me and recursent we oh Ship? I did work

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>with Michael Jackson, didn't not oh Ship. We didn't like

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 1>like literally, it kind of just all hit me at once,

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 1>but but it was because we had finally stopped, Like

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:32.399
<v Speaker 1>we toured for two years off of um uh, you're

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>too gentlemen, you're a gyman. I'm literally on the road

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 1>for two years. Show. You didn't get to really take

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it in because you were just work working, just moving, moving,

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 1>moving moving. All right. Now we're doing this world show.

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:42.719
<v Speaker 1>All right now, we're doing that a war show, all

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>right now, we're shooting this video al right now, we're

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 1>working with dis artist and now Bimimi Mimimi. Right until

0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>we finally set still, like all right, tours over. We

0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 1>can go home for about a month everybody you know, recalibrate,

0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and then we get back out there. And within that month,

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I just sat and blew my own damn mind, Like,

0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:03.000
<v Speaker 1>oh we've done a lot of ship. We've done a

0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of really really really cool ship. This has been

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.719
<v Speaker 1>a career and it ain't over. We still let you. Yeah,

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and you're a tough career because it's constantly transitioning and

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:21.440
<v Speaker 1>oh man, yeah, getting in is one impossible journey. Right

0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:27.480
<v Speaker 1>once you get in, getting the success because it's countless

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 1>people they get signed and put songs out and nothing happens.

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 1>You never hear from them again. Right, So there's all

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of these doors that that you have to get through.

0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 1>You get through one and you think, oh yeah, I'm

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:40.440
<v Speaker 1>secure now because I gotta get through this from now.

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:42.600
<v Speaker 1>You gotta get a hit record, get a hit record,

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 1>and I gotta get another one. Keep delivering every time.

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:51.520
<v Speaker 1>In mind you as this is happening, you're aging. The

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 1>game is changing now, We've got social media and we

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:57.759
<v Speaker 1>got all of these all of these new the way

0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.719
<v Speaker 1>that people are are are getting them music, they're doing

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 1>that different Now. Everything is changing and you just have

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to keep up with the times, but not become the times,

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense. It was like I've been around,

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I've watched countless trends come and go, right, And I say,

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 1>watched them come and go because that's what trends are

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 1>supposed to do. They come, they do what they're gonna do,

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and then they move. If you base your artistry off

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of that trend, when that trend leaves, you leave with it.

0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Right when you signed to def Jam officially and started

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>releasing records under them, you were able to control your

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.919
<v Speaker 1>own narrative, right because the neo that I like love

0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and love is you know you and the sound that

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you put your stamp on versus the first one, right, yes,

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 1>know that was that was one of the things that

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 1>that let me know that I was in a much

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 1>different situation than I was with the Columbia Columbia situation,

0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>because I actually went to l A Read and said,

0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:02.080
<v Speaker 1>all right, look, I've kind of done this dance before

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:05.520
<v Speaker 1>one other time, and it was a really really negative situation.

0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 1>So here's what I'm not doing. Okay, y'all are not

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna tell me what I can and can't wear. Y'all

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 1>are not gonna tell me what producers I can and

0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 1>can't work with. Y'all are not gonna tell me what

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of songs. Right, I'm not doing it this way?

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 1>And ll A Rey looked me in my eyes and said,

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I signed you because I like what you do already.

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Why would I didn't turn around and change that? Amen?

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, thank you, We're good. That's rocks.

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 1>What advice would you what advice would you give to

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:39.400
<v Speaker 1>someone that is broke, like literally broke, is passionate about music,

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.640
<v Speaker 1>wants to pursue it to also get out of being broke,

0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>which is different from you your situation, but definitely so

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>um okay. So one of the beautiful things about the

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:56.280
<v Speaker 1>music industry today is that you don't really have to

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of money to do it. You can

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.400
<v Speaker 1>get in broke, you can't in now. Um, how far

0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you go, that's gonna depend on your work ethic and

0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 1>then at some point how much money you can invest

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 1>into yourself. I tell people all the time, don't don't

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>chase your dreams to the point where you chase him

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:17.760
<v Speaker 1>right off a damn cliff, Like, make sure you can

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 1>find forself, like you can work at McDonald's. All right,

0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that's this many hours in a day. You still

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:24.520
<v Speaker 1>have got all these hours to focus on your music,

0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to put towards your music. But this these hours is

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 1>making sure that you can eat these hours, making sure

0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:30.959
<v Speaker 1>that the lights stay on. You know what I'm saying,

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 1>do that go get you a little nine of five.

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 1>It ain't nothing wrong with that, And it ain't nothing

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:37.320
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that. That's literally nine to five. After five,

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 1>get back into your craft. But make sure that you

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>can take care of yourself at least to a degree. Uh.

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Like the whole starving artist thing, it doesn't have to

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 1>be that. It literally doesn't. Um, but did you work

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>their jobs when you were because it seemed like you

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>were busy alot. I've worked every fast food chain you

0:59:55.480 --> 1:00:03.120
<v Speaker 1>can think of, really, yes, McDonald's, McDonald's first. Yes, none

1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of these jobs lasting longer than three weeks. That's not

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a good thing. I'm just saying that that. And I

1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 1>learned early on that I might have a slight problem

1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 1>with authority, just like I just look at it like this.

1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to let you yell at me over

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>a French fries. I'm not letting that happen. I just that,

1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.480
<v Speaker 1>just that doesn't make any sense to me as a

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.680
<v Speaker 1>man and as a person for me to just sit

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:35.880
<v Speaker 1>here and allow you to be yelling in my face

1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:39.000
<v Speaker 1>because I put too much salt on you know what,

1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:44.080
<v Speaker 1>take this little thing, take a look mountain, dudes. I'm gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And and pretty much every one of those jobs kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ended that way. It's like I did something. I

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<v Speaker 1>burned a pizza, but in mind, that was my faut

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<v Speaker 1>because I was talking to my friend it was bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>and the manager comes into what the wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 1>I got fired from McDonald's, and I realized early on

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<v Speaker 1>that McDonald's and waitressing was very hard For me, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like there's a lot of pressure in lunch all right,

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<v Speaker 1>very stressful, and you're supposed to be nice as people

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<v Speaker 1>are jerks. Yeah yeah nice yeah, and those jobs you

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<v Speaker 1>would think that they look easy, but yeah, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do either. I respect the people that do

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<v Speaker 1>it too. Oh yeah yeah. But all I have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like, don't feel like you're above it as

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<v Speaker 1>an artist trying to trying to get it going, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're not. You're not above any job. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>you have to stay there, doesn't mean you have to

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<v Speaker 1>thrive and try to become a manager of McDonald's one

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<v Speaker 1>day and the ship, but you definitely need to do

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<v Speaker 1>something to make sure that you can provide for yourself

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the slightest degree of you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's cinema, told crunch, every day, whatever, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you can provide for yourself a little bit, and from

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<v Speaker 1>there focus on your music. Now you have your Spotify,

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<v Speaker 1>you have your YouTube, you have all of these different

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<v Speaker 1>ways that you can get your music, that you can

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<v Speaker 1>get your art out there that did not exist before.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't there was no Spotify when I was hassling

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy coming at the restaurant like there was no other

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it, but that now you have all

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<v Speaker 1>of these other outlets, and really the spoils go to

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<v Speaker 1>the person that works the hardest where everybody's sleep. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to be working. You need to be posting regularly

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<v Speaker 1>about your music, about your artistry, so that people know

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<v Speaker 1>where to go to get it, people know that it exists.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying post on Monday and don't post

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<v Speaker 1>again until Wednesday. No, that doesn't work. It doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a job, just like anything else that you would do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a job. And the more time and and time

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<v Speaker 1>and energy that you apply to it, the better if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be Now, I I've heard about publishing, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's the artist. You're the artist, and then there's publishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you for the people that don't know how that

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<v Speaker 1>structure works? Because I was my head, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a songwriter, we're gonna talk a money. You

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<v Speaker 1>make more right from publishing, but from publishing. But then

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<v Speaker 1>the artists like, how does that whole music? So the artist,

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<v Speaker 1>the artist doesn't get publishing unless they wrote on the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Publishing is for writers for writers and producers. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's primarily the bread and butter of a songwriter.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you write a song, it becomes a hit,

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<v Speaker 1>it lasts for a little while. Anytime that song is

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<v Speaker 1>played longer than thirty thirty seconds. Anywhere you're getting paid,

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<v Speaker 1>you get like a check in the mail. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to check the mail or you know, how are you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you work it out the mind? They send

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<v Speaker 1>it straight to my accountants. But but yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>your that's your that's your livelihood as a as a songwriter,

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<v Speaker 1>you're publishing. And then as an artist, if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, you just get the album sales and the

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<v Speaker 1>you get a portion of the album sales. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean most most record deals are set up in designed

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<v Speaker 1>for you to stay in debt, so you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>a large portion of the record sales. You get pennies

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<v Speaker 1>on the dollar. Um. But as an artist, as the

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<v Speaker 1>person in the forefront, you have so many opportunities to

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<v Speaker 1>make money in so many different ways. It's sponsorships and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that ship. Like you know, songwriters don't really

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<v Speaker 1>get sponsorships, but publishing pager forever as long again, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the song is being played longer than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds anywhere on the face of the planet. You're making money.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard a clip on social media, didn't dive into it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't tell you who it was where. This

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<v Speaker 1>songwriter said that when she writes songs, she always doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>she tries not to outsing the singer, and she also

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<v Speaker 1>tries to dress less. So I guess a sexy or

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<v Speaker 1>attractive or pretty or whatever, Well, I mean, yeah, hands down,

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<v Speaker 1>this business is harder for for women than it is

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<v Speaker 1>for men, just from a standpoint of you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are an attractive woman, you're always an attractive woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And every time you walk into the room, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're walking into the room as a multi platinum selling

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<v Speaker 1>artists or or Grammy Award winning songwriter, you're an attractive

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<v Speaker 1>woman first when you walk in that room, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing that people are gonna notice. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it's up to you and your your your accolades, and

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<v Speaker 1>your your mental abilities to get people to pay attention

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<v Speaker 1>to the other things about you as well. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you walk into the room, walk into the studio,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the things are sitting up and things

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<v Speaker 1>sitting out, that's probably where the majority of the attention

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna go, you know, and that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>sit and talk business, you want to talk about songs.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm looking at the citties right now, like the cities,

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about something else, trying to figure out which

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<v Speaker 1>conversation I'm supposed to pay attention to you because Tittis

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<v Speaker 1>is talking to me. So so yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely in a songwriter's best interest walking into the studio

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<v Speaker 1>to walk in, just walk in like you're not there

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<v Speaker 1>for that sort of attention, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as far as out singing the singer, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's something that I that I I pride myself

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<v Speaker 1>on and had to learn as well, because as a

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<v Speaker 1>songwriter that can sing, you get in there and you

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<v Speaker 1>just go for it and you don't realize maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody can do what you can do. Maybe not everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can sing as hid you. Maybe not everybody can do

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<v Speaker 1>that ad lib is intricate as you, And that will

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<v Speaker 1>be the instance where an artist will not want the

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<v Speaker 1>song because they're like, I'm not gonna sing it better

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<v Speaker 1>than you just did, So what's the point of what's

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<v Speaker 1>the point in me trying to do this record. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you keep it kind of the middle of the road,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just good enough, that gives the artist's space

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<v Speaker 1>to add their thing to it. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to my demo of Beyonce as they're

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<v Speaker 1>replaceable and then Beyonce's version to be replaceable, you'll notice

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<v Speaker 1>the slight differences because I left room for her to

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<v Speaker 1>create them. Give what I will give to your versus.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on It's on YouTube. Oh for real, your merchant.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I just put it there, but I looked

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<v Speaker 1>the other day to day, okay, okay, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>just spaced on. But I had a question that I

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<v Speaker 1>was like saving in my brain. Not totally. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>mad at myself. It was, oh, last question. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try to keep you because I want to invade

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<v Speaker 1>your space. Um. You write a lot of hit records.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you determine what you keep for yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>what you give away? UM? A lot of times it

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the way the song came to be. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if I went into a studio that was

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<v Speaker 1>paid for by said artists or said artists management, said

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<v Speaker 1>artists label, whatever the case may be whatever comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of that session, it's supposed to go to said artists. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Your people pay for the time, pay for me to

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<v Speaker 1>be here. So whatever I produce in this in this

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<v Speaker 1>block of time, it's supposed to go to UM. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I go to the studio, as I told you earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>I go here just on my leisure, just being here,

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<v Speaker 1>just creating. Right. So if I go on and do

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<v Speaker 1>that with nobody's specific in mind and it comes out amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>of course I'm thinking, all right, I'm gonna hold onto

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<v Speaker 1>this one. But there's times where I go in like

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<v Speaker 1>that and do something and be like, oh, such and

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<v Speaker 1>such a sound amazing one. I got something you should

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<v Speaker 1>check out, you know what I mean. So it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of there's no specific way it happens like it could be.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be either of those of those instances. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I love you, but your latest singles says don't

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<v Speaker 1>love don't love me? Yeah? Did you like the way

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<v Speaker 1>I did that I love you, but don't love you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, every girl could relate to this. Okay, every

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<v Speaker 1>girl has heard this at one point in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that out of frustration because you're banging them,

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<v Speaker 1>I could totally relate to the right. I can relate

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<v Speaker 1>to all your records. That's why I've played them so

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<v Speaker 1>many times, his love. So tell me about your latest project. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>self explanatory? Um, okay calling calling the album self explanatory

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of different reasons. First reason being I'm

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty years in at this point. I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like at this point a neo album needs that

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<v Speaker 1>much explanation. You kind of know what's coming to a degree, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be There's gonna be stories because I love

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us stories, thank you very much. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be melodic. You know, it's not gonna be this this

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<v Speaker 1>this rap, same thing that everybody's doing right now, at

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<v Speaker 1>least not all of it. You know, I gotta acknowledge

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening right now, but not become right. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the kind of music that you live life

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<v Speaker 1>to the kind of music that you cleaned the house

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, to the kind of music that you sit

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<v Speaker 1>up and think about that dude, who if he had

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<v Speaker 1>just did this, it would have been perfect. Whatever the case,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the music that you're gonna get from a

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<v Speaker 1>neo album pretty self explanatory. Um, second Lee, the self

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<v Speaker 1>explanatory concept comes from just what music is and what

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<v Speaker 1>music does. Like it's it's almost I mean you can

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<v Speaker 1>try to sit in and put it in words, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's easy to just feel it. It's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to just put it on and let the music take

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<v Speaker 1>you where it's gonna take you. Let the music explain

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<v Speaker 1>it to you, you know. Yeah, yeah, so that's what

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<v Speaker 1>this album is about. Um, there are songs on this

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<v Speaker 1>album that the die hard Neo fan will definitely latch

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<v Speaker 1>onto because it's familiar. And then there are songs on

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<v Speaker 1>this album that, you know, people who maybe just heard

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<v Speaker 1>Neo's name or just got familiar you know, some of

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<v Speaker 1>this new generation some stuff that they can latch on

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<v Speaker 1>too as well. Um. The song Don't Love Me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a heavy record, uh it is. It started out

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<v Speaker 1>as an open letter to my wife at a really

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<v Speaker 1>really dark point in our relationship, you know, Um, right

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<v Speaker 1>before the pandemic, we were definitely talking divorce. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>actually credited the pandem me for saving my marriage because

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that that whole quarantine thing made us

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<v Speaker 1>sit down in each other's faces and talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we wasn't talking about, you know, those uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>conversations made us have those and by the grace of God,

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<v Speaker 1>we figured out how to get back to where we

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<v Speaker 1>just love each other. And that's that's what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>But this particular song, yeah, it was a letter. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a letter that I had written to her, um,

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<v Speaker 1>basically telling her that I did not think that I

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<v Speaker 1>was capable of being the man that she deserved, that

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<v Speaker 1>she should leave. And of course she didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>leave you. We love you, We can't leave. Thank god

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't leave. But um, but yeah, yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>how the song came to be. And we were initially

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<v Speaker 1>going to do the video, but we decided not to

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't want to even acting wise, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go back to that place. I was surprised

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't in the video. What does this mean? Let

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<v Speaker 1>me go on Instagram. Let's see what's his personal life

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<v Speaker 1>is like. That's when we do just so you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not in the video. Let's go to Instagram. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>fact check. How is his marriage? What's going on? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>We're good man, We're in a We're in a really,

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<v Speaker 1>really good place right now. I love how you kept

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<v Speaker 1>that real right there. You know. I when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you love somebody, when you genuinely love somebody, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to hurt them. And if you know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be what it is that they need you

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<v Speaker 1>to be to stick with that person, to stay with

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<v Speaker 1>that person knowing that you're not gonna do right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just selfish now as a man, Just for all the

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<v Speaker 1>women that have heard this line before, is it heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>for the man to say that to the woman? Like

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<v Speaker 1>are you sad to say that? Because it's like almost

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<v Speaker 1>like you're quitting. I was. I don't know quitting is

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<v Speaker 1>the right word. No, no, no, no, no, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually accurate because what I realized is you can

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<v Speaker 1>do anything, like there is no I can't be this person.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no I can't be faithful. I can't there

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't exist. We what we want to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is the bottom lines of everything we do. What

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<v Speaker 1>we want to do. If you want to be faithful

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<v Speaker 1>to that woman, you'll be faithful to that woman. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell me that you can't. I'm not capable of

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<v Speaker 1>it that because that's just you basically saying that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to, you'd rather not because there's nothing stopping you.

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's stopping you? But she had a fat as,

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<v Speaker 1>She gonna always have a fat ass. That's never gonna change.

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<v Speaker 1>What what's what's your point? So the sadness to me was, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sad because I didn't want her to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also didn't feel like I was gonna I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna do right by her. That I can honestly

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<v Speaker 1>say now at this at this time, I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do right by her. I was I was allowing uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the lustful spirit to to to control me, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Um, But again, through those really uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>conversations and and you know, just blatant, painful honesty, we

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<v Speaker 1>we got to we got to where we need to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that I was copping out. And now she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't deserve that either. So and she was she was

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<v Speaker 1>gangs as. She was like, yeah, she's like, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere. She's she's actually the one that said

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<v Speaker 1>it to me first. She was like, no, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't. It's not that you can't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that you won't do it. Wow, that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So until you can stop being a coward and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out where it is you want to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't don't feed me this wow. Like yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of had this step back and get my

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<v Speaker 1>thing together, right. But we are in a great place now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. The pandemic was the best part of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it was the scariest thing because I

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<v Speaker 1>had a business and went to zero. It crashed and

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<v Speaker 1>burned in a micro second. And then of course I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about eating moll broke. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do eaty more broke. I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>eaty more broke. Well, I had an events company, went

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<v Speaker 1>to ship you ain't got nothing but time. I did

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<v Speaker 1>a mural of my garage. I was doing people. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't passed my house, Like what are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, bro, I have too much time. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things I didn't have time for was like dating,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was in all these serious relationships my husband

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<v Speaker 1>now husband. I was like, I lined up like three

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<v Speaker 1>guys that I thought looked good on paper, and I like,

1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:21.080
<v Speaker 1>straight up was like interviewing for this pandemic, Like yo.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the world's about to happen. It's time to settle down.

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<v Speaker 1>And every guy that looked good on paper was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just we're not fun to hang out with. In the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, Ship, I don't even have an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse to get out of hanging out with you. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't say I'm going to work, you know, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing. So my husband, who I was looking at

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<v Speaker 1>as like my fun because he, like on paper, looked

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<v Speaker 1>like shit, like he was like the worst on paper,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was the most fun. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm stuck. The guy that looks like

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<v Speaker 1>Ship on paper is who I am having fun with,

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in the house with, and the guys that looked

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<v Speaker 1>great on paper, I couldn't stand being in a room

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<v Speaker 1>with him for more than three seconds. So I decided, bucket,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have fun. I'm going to live my best

1:16:13.520 --> 1:16:18.280
<v Speaker 1>porn star life. And you know, uh, within a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, I ended up pregnant and married. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who didn't look good on paper for all

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<v Speaker 1>the ladies who always assumed like the guy has to

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<v Speaker 1>have all these things, and it was the best relationship

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever been in and thankfully it was the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we got into the pandemic, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>kept tell me, if he just will give me a chance,

1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:41.479
<v Speaker 1>I could tell you gonna love me, You're gonna like me.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop looking at me like a bag of meat. So yes, pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>right than pandemic. Well, thank you so much for eating

1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:58.360
<v Speaker 1>uh cinnamon toast crunched with me. It was very nostalgic

1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and giving me best. I don't know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what can top it, but this has been amazing. I

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<v Speaker 1>get to tour your whole space. Yes, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we get to go up up close and personal with you. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I did want to share one last thing. So years

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<v Speaker 1>and years ago, when early twenties I had a high

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<v Speaker 1>school magazine, Neo came out. He had the PD record,

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<v Speaker 1>you know he had. He came out right around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time as Chris Brown. I saw Neo. My twin

1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>called me up. She said, hey, there's these two guys.

1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:34.760
<v Speaker 1>You gotta check them out. They're dope, They're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>theyre could be huge. And I came off to her

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<v Speaker 1>house and she, you know, she showed me Chris Brown

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<v Speaker 1>and Neo, and I was like, oh, my god, this

1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:44.599
<v Speaker 1>guy Neo and I love Chris Brown to not not gonn,

1:17:45.640 --> 1:17:48.360
<v Speaker 1>but I ain't gonna lie. I was leading towards new

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<v Speaker 1>so I called over to death Jam and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>made arrangements. I got ahold of to Sean and Tango

1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and anyways, we ended up setting up an interview and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to tell you guys the story because Neo

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what I'm about to say about Neo. So

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<v Speaker 1>we were we were behind the scenes. Our company was

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<v Speaker 1>really struggling. We were broke, We were barring cameras just

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot his interview. We were we were dire you

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<v Speaker 1>and we would have high school students do the interview

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<v Speaker 1>with you. It was anyway, one of the guys on

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<v Speaker 1>our team was like, Neo, I love your sneakers. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember this. He was like, Neio, I love your sneakers.

1:18:30.479 --> 1:18:32.720
<v Speaker 1>And you were like, well, what size are you? And well,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't say it corny like that, you like, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think he had the same size sneaker. And we

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<v Speaker 1>were at the hotel right there in Hollywood. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the name of it, it's and you literally took

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<v Speaker 1>off your sneakers, handed it to him and walked away

1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:56.760
<v Speaker 1>in your socks and one and made his freaking day.

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<v Speaker 1>And two. I will never ever for get you walking

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<v Speaker 1>away in your socks. And that was my story. That

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<v Speaker 1>was That's who Neo is for. I do not remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does sound like something that I would do,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if I have more shoes. Yeah, yeah, you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, it's okay. He's like, you sure you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's walking away the songs you sure you can give you?

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, it's okay, it's okay, I have more.

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<v Speaker 1>I have more. But that's who Neo is for. People

1:19:25.120 --> 1:19:27.479
<v Speaker 1>that don't know and listen to your records and even

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<v Speaker 1>when you're dealing with to Seawan and Tango like I call,

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<v Speaker 1>they answer. I don't know why they listen, and they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they always helped me out. So shout out

1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:42.639
<v Speaker 1>to your whole team. I hung out here the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hours and I enjoyed every minute of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you so much for coming on. Eating

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