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Speaker 1: My brother. Welcome to Eating Broke. Welcome to Eating wall Broke.

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Speaker 1: I can't write songs, but with someone that can write

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Speaker 1: some songs. Who, yes, who I am with? I flew

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Speaker 1: all the way to Atlanta, got out of the podcast

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Speaker 1: studio to be with what's going on everyone? My name

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Speaker 1: is Barry No, but I write the songs and make

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Speaker 1: the whole world sing. Can you just sing like one classic,

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Speaker 1: just one line so the whole world can know who

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting with. Alright, alright, alright, you're ready at the

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Speaker 1: cobra Coka bana. Let's know what you know. I'm very

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Speaker 1: mentally you asked me to no, I want, I want

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Speaker 1: the real Okay, alright, the real and I'm so sick

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Speaker 1: of love song so side up tease, so done, we

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Speaker 1: wish And you still said I'm so sick love, so

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Speaker 1: so sad and slow? So why can't I tune off

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Speaker 1: through radio? Yeah? I smile and so oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: this was like probably the best moment of my life

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Speaker 1: right now. That was amazing. I am with Neo, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I am in your space. Yes, yes, this is Compound

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Speaker 1: Studios here in Atlantuck. Yes, yeah, man, this is where

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Speaker 1: the magic happens. This is where the magic happens, and

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Speaker 1: this is where we get to watch and listen to

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Speaker 1: what Neo used to eat when he was bro on

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Speaker 1: the come up, on the come up, what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna have us eating? First of all, well, so we

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Speaker 1: dad checked out relatively early. So it was my my

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Speaker 1: mom and my sister, uh moved to Las Vegas and

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Speaker 1: five aunts, and meat right until I was like sixteen,

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Speaker 1: a lot of estrogen in the crib um. So me

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Speaker 1: and my sister we were alone a lot because my

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Speaker 1: mom had like five six jobs at all times, easily.

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Speaker 1: So uh it was a lot of you know, syrup

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Speaker 1: pieces of bread and that was the sandwich. We see.

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Speaker 1: There a lot of that is that because you guys

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Speaker 1: couldn't cook, or well I couldn't cook, and then there

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of noodles and cereal. Cereal was

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Speaker 1: but we have some cereals. Throw that thing in the

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Speaker 1: to do a lot of that. Yeah, and we didn't

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Speaker 1: have the name brand cereals, and name brand cereals were luxury,

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Speaker 1: like like the cinnamon toast crunch, for example, is my

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Speaker 1: that was kind of like not fruit loops, is fruit rings,

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Speaker 1: Centamon toast crunches is toast squares or something something, but

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Speaker 1: you knew what it was, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: did a lot of that. We did a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: But every now and then moms were splurs and we

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Speaker 1: can get the real. Every blue moon we get the real.

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Speaker 1: So today we're eating the real day, we are eating

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Speaker 1: our luxury struggle meal, actual cinnamon toast crunch, not the

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Speaker 1: It's hobnoutly just as good. It just don't say cinnam

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Speaker 1: I used to feel like it used to leave like

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Speaker 1: the fake fruit fruit, the fruit rings. The fruit rings

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Speaker 1: This is what it is. Regardless of get the name

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Speaker 1: brand or the other one. They both chopping you up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when you were eating cereal, were you and we well,

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll pour a glass a bowl. So when

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Speaker 1: your parents would come in and be like, don't eat

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Speaker 1: that's right. But then I was very I was very

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Speaker 1: today today we have milk. The cup in the backyard

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Speaker 1: is but it ain't no milk. But what kind of

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Speaker 1: milk were you? You You was drinking the We was drinking

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Speaker 1: this the whole almond milk thing didn't happen UNI until

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Speaker 1: I wish cameras becazoom in on. You eat cereal like

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Speaker 1: white people. You have milk just in the bottom of

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Speaker 1: But I get made fun of in my house for

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Speaker 1: why you're so white. You eat cereal. Look you're eating

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Speaker 1: it like it's soup. What are you talking about? What this?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think back, like I can't believe all

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Speaker 1: So the music is is there, but it's not so

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Speaker 1: what Nope? Nope, nope, nope. Was not that dude. Um

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Speaker 1: funny side story, So growing up in Las Vegas, there's

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Speaker 1: my boy can sing A boy that you want to

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Speaker 1: could really this could actually probably really be something like Okay,

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00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: so now I'm taking it serious now Now now I'm

425
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: writing specifically, I'm writing songs for my group, like this

426
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: is who this is who I am at this point,

427
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: I'm a member of this group. I'm writing songs for

428
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: this group. Were rehearsing every day, putting harmonies together, doing

429
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: talent shows around the city, like you know, good things,

430
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: good things. Um, we actually did the showtime at the

431
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: Apollo And how old were you senior in high school?

432
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: This was right after high school. No no no, no, no, no, i'mline, i'mline.

433
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: We were actually still who I've seen in high school,

434
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: right because I remember having to go back to school

435
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, how did it go a little okay?

436
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: Because it didn't go okay? Yeah, well okay, I put

437
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: it to you this way. We didn't get booed off

438
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: the stage. Sam Man didn't come out, but there were

439
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: an exceptional amount of booze happening as we were doing

440
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: what we were doing. That's crazy, yeah, man, we at

441
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: this point we have been doing talent shows and stuff

442
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: around the city. So like we we understood to a

443
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: degree what the stage was, we didn't know what the

444
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: Apollo stage was. Like. We got up there and nerves

445
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: just took over it. We sounded terrible. It was bad.

446
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: It was bad. You could actually find it on YouTube

447
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: and stage. Okay, yeah, yes, Neo and a Well, my

448
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: name wasn't Neo at that time. It was it was

449
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: Go Go Go Go. Okay. Yes, childhood nickname based off

450
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: of Go Go the Dodo Birds h w B character.

451
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: My mom gave me the name because I was it

452
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: was silly. Yeah, I was a really silly kid. So

453
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: when you have that experience at Apollo, do you start

454
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: to say, well, maybe I'm crazy for pursuing this. Do

455
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: you start to doubt yourself? Um? I mean it was

456
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: definitely uh you know what, I think, above anything else,

457
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: our egos was really harmed with that because we just

458
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: we walked mind you, We walked in there with all

459
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: the confidence and chest out like we just knew we

460
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: was that next thing. We walked in like that, and

461
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: it was a very large and disgusting slice of humble pie.

462
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: But but I feel like it kind of needed to happen.

463
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: We needed to be brought down a couple of peggs,

464
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: because you know, we were getting to that place where

465
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: we were big headed. Every talent show we did except

466
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: for like one, we we won everything talent show. So

467
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: we're like a polo. We got this and we went

468
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: in there and yeah, it was not it was not

469
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: a good day. Not a good day. So then, now

470
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: how do you get from that? I'm going to try

471
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: to fast track you now to writing your first hit song. Okay, well, um,

472
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: the group eventually disband not after the Apollo. We kept trying.

473
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: After the Apollo. We actually moved to California, me and

474
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: all the guys. Um, we didn't have jobs. So we

475
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: we we graduated high school and then we sat in

476
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: the Denny's and wrote out our plan on a napkin.

477
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: Right moved to California. Right drive to California from Las

478
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Vegas and Corey's van. Corey was one of the guys

479
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: in the group and the only one of us with

480
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: a car. Right drive getting Corey's van. Drive to California.

481
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: Find the Capitol Records Building. Park in front of the

482
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: Capitol Records Building, stand up on top of the van,

483
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: sing our songs until the president of Capital of Records

484
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: runs out and demands that we signed to his record label.

485
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: Wrote it on the Napkina plan, let's do it. Let's go,

486
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: all right, So everybody packs, We're getting the van we

487
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: had off. We get to Vegas, find a Capital Records

488
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Building California, sorry, California, California. Find a Capital Records Building,

489
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: parking front of Capital Records Building, get on top of

490
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: the van, singing our songs. People are kind of you know,

491
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: stopping and watching and whatnot, but keeping they keep pushing.

492
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Um security kick this up to property, which we didn't anticipate. Okay, Um,

493
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: all right, so it's not gonna happen today, got it,

494
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: got it. We'll come back. Yeah, we'll just come back tomorrow. Yeah,

495
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: we'll come back tomorrow. Okay cool? Oh ship, Um, where

496
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: are we going to sleep tonight? Yeah? See what we

497
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: what we didn't factor into that. That thing that we

498
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: wrote down on the on the napkin was shelter food.

499
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: You guys were like, we're gonna get signed, and that's it, right,

500
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: We just we just knew that the second we got there,

501
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: and from the first song we was getting a record deal.

502
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: This is we just knew this and that did not happen.

503
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: So Cory's van became home for about six months for

504
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: all of you guys, all of us. Yes, shoot, so

505
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: how did you survive money wise? Did you guys um

506
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: our jobs here and there? Um? How long did was it?

507
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Six months? Six months? Six months? Shoot? Yeah? Man? Now

508
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: were you comfortable with girls enough to like try to

509
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: like sleep at a girl's crip every once in a while,

510
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: every now and then at this point, Yeah, I've learned

511
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: to use my powers at this point, Yeah, it was. Yeah,

512
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: talking to women became a little easier, even as even

513
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: as broked living in the van. Now I believe in

514
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: you really well, let me sleep on your cap. You

515
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: got twenty dollars for the dude you believe in. Yeah,

516
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes still do that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

517
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of it. But the name of the

518
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: game of survival, damn that do that to do? Yeah? So, um,

519
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: the group eventually disbands. You know, everybody's tired of living

520
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: in the band really, But within this six months, we're

521
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: moving around the city, were bothering celebrities as they run

522
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: coming out of restaurants. Hey, excuse, hey, we're seeing you

523
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: might have we seen free all right? Cool? Well, thank

524
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: you for like his music anyway, but hurt feelings hurt. Yeah.

525
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: But but you guys was on it. And this was

526
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: for social media because if you had social media, y'all

527
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: would have been before all that. Now you literally had

528
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: to harass people find him in run up on? Did

529
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: he as he working out the restaurant? Did? He actually

530
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: stopped for us and me saying he was like, that's dope,

531
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: that's dope, keep doing it, and got in his car

532
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: and bounced like, so is he gonna call it? He

533
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: said it was good? Did you get it? I didn't

534
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: get his numbers? Did you didn't get his number? Dawn?

535
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: All right, guys back to the van? It get it? Yeah?

536
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: But now we wound up meeting uh, this cat who

537
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: had a boy band signed to Hollywood Records, which was

538
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Disney's record label at the time, and he basically said

539
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: that he was like, if you guys write some songs

540
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: for this group, I can then talk to Hollywood Records

541
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: about maybe potentially signing y'all. Alright, cool, so wrote some

542
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: songs for the group. Mind you, At this time, we

543
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: don't know anything about publishing and rights and all that

544
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: because they can write right. No, no, no, no, we

545
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: all write. Everybody everybody writes. I was a little faster

546
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: than everybody else, but we could all we could all right,

547
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: So wrote these songs for this group named the group

548
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: was Youngstown. Shout out to Youngstown. They were actually really

549
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: cool guys, but um yeah, I didn't want up getting

550
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: the money that we were supposed to get for that. Uh.

551
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: We learned at that point that the record the music

552
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: industry is full of people that will absolutely take advantage

553
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: of whatever you don't know. Like they're not gonna they're

554
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: not gonna sit you down and tell you. They're gonna

555
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that you don't know, right. So, uh,

556
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: that was a learning experience, but it was also our

557
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: only kind of end to the music industry. So when

558
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: the band, when the group this, this band, I kind

559
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: of stayed in contact with that dude, and um so,

560
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: so I'm at this point, I'm living with one of

561
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: their staff producers. Shout out to my man, Paully Paul,

562
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: Uh living with him and his family. Minded they're they're

563
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: they're filthy rich. So they had a big house and

564
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the basement somewhere and we

565
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: just wake up and we do music every day just

566
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: just because, like not even so much knowing what we're

567
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna do with it. We're just doing it just because

568
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: just to do it right. So, um that the guy

569
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: that managed that group at the time, he's then taking

570
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: these songs and shopping him, you know, trying to trying

571
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: to trying to settle. Are you still under contract at

572
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: this point when I'm just I'm literally just me and

573
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: PAULI are good friends and he's letting me live here

574
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: and we wake up every day and we do music.

575
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: This is art. This is what we do. So uh,

576
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: They're moving around New York and what nott trying to

577
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: shop these records and people are asking questions about the

578
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: voice on the records because I'm singing, I'm writing in

579
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: singing these records to be shopped to other people, and

580
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: they're like, well, who's the guy singing, Oh, that's the writer.

581
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: His name that was just using my reading name at

582
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: the time, Shaffer. So what what what do you want

583
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: to do here? You're trying to So manager comes back

584
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, yo, they want to give you

585
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: a deal. And initially I was like, nah, why Because

586
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I had never done anything as a solo before. I

587
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: didn't know how to do that. And I'm like, wait,

588
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: just me, what can I call my They're like, no,

589
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: that's done this, they won't to see you. I'm by myself. Oh.

590
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: So they eventually talked me into it, so I got

591
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: a record, a regular son of Columbia Records. Um, it

592
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: was more money than I than I had seen at

593
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: that point, which was cool, and I mean my view,

594
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot. It was it was artists advanced.

595
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: But this moment that I had a time, so uh,

596
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: going through the process of putting this album together for

597
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: Columbia Records, I'm excited about the whole thing. Um, it's

598
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: basically what we've been doing, me and PAULI, just making

599
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: music every day, but now we're making music for my

600
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: debut album. So it's like right, Um, But what I'm

601
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: realizing is that the A and rs and the record label,

602
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, they have a very specific vision of who

603
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: they want me to be, right to the point where

604
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that song is cool, but

605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: can you write something more like this? Yeah? And then

606
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't weary that where these yeah, I don't work

607
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: with those producers. Work with these producers like like they're

608
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: molding what it is they want and how old at

609
00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: this time? Um? Like early and mind you, I'm so

610
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: green and just so excited for something to finally be happening.

611
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking that I can't tell these people know

612
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: so anything that I'm like ya, yeah, alright, we're doing that.

613
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: Who alight, who let's do that. That's how I am

614
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: right now all the time? What the road right? So

615
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: so um and mind you? And they was they was

616
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: doing the most like I don't hold grudges or have

617
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: any regrets, but say our cast was doing me there day.

618
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: It was like every time we come to New York,

619
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: these casts take us to mind you, I'm I'm I'm green.

620
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: I've never been to New York, taking us to these

621
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: really fancy restaurants Mr. The Childs and all of that,

622
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: and every time the bill come, they just pop down

623
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: the credit card. Everything is all good. What they didn't

624
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: tell me is that the money on that credit card

625
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: is my recording budget. Yeah. So we had missed Childs

626
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars thousand dollar dinners on me and I had

627
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: no idea. I had no clue to the point where

628
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: I finally Okay. So, so album is done, artwork is done,

629
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: everything is ready to go, and I'm looking at this

630
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: picture of myself and I'm like, I have no idea

631
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: who this person is. I don't know this person. I'm

632
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: listening to the music like, yeah, it's cool, but this

633
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: is not this is not me. This is this is

634
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: their their version of me. Like and so I didn't.

635
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: So I went to them like, would it be cool

636
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: if I maybe went in and did a couple of

637
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: songs that just made a little more sense with who

638
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: I am? And they're like, well, I mean yeah you could,

639
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: but your budget. Your budget is depleted. And I'm like,

640
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: what do you mean, well, you're you're recording budget is gone.

641
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, how I know for a fact we didn't

642
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: spend all the all the recording money on the recording

643
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, whoa, yeah, it's gone. And mind you,

644
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: it took somebody in the office that worked for the

645
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: A and Are to come to me like soul. So

646
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: here's what happens. You know those Mr Child's visits, Yeah,

647
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: that was that was that was on your budget. And

648
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, but but I was I didn't say they

649
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: could do that. Well, I mean, you kind of don't

650
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: have to. Like they the label gives them the card

651
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: and their job is to make sure that you produce

652
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: an album. And you know, so if they produce your

653
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: album for cheap and this is left over, they pretty

654
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: much get to do what everything to what. I'm like,

655
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: what ass? That's crazy. Yeah. I don't know if that's

656
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: still the case. I doubt it nowadays, just because you know,

657
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: labels are slowly but surely getting the obsolete. But um,

658
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that's that's what the deal was back then.

659
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: So I kind of rebelled. I was like, I don't

660
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. This is not me,

661
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: this isn't who I am. And they're like, so you're

662
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: not going to cooperate. I'm like, well na, I mean

663
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if y'all let me go in and do

664
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: a couple more songs, maybe alright. Cool. So they shelved me,

665
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: and I sat on the shelf for two years. No.

666
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: That was God. That had to have been scary. Um,

667
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: not so much scary as it was depressing, because I'm

668
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: like back to square one, Like I have a record deal,

669
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I have an album. Um, it's not coming out, and

670
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm but I'm in the contract, so I can't do

671
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: anything else or going or anything. So what happens if

672
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: you do? Um? What a statement sue when I got anohing?

673
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: But but yeah, they could. So I'm I'm and I'm

674
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm like, all right, well, so how

675
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: do you get out of a shelf deal? What do

676
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: you have to do? Um? So my management eventually goes

677
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: in them and goes listen to kids. Is still young

678
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: If you're not gonna do not with him and just

679
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: let him go. So lawyer's lawsuits, la la, la la la.

680
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: They finally decided to let me go. They kept the album,

681
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: kept the rest of the album that I did while

682
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I was over there, which I gave up freely. I'm like, fine,

683
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: take it. I just want to be free, just want

684
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: to be out of here. So they took it cool.

685
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: So now I'm back to Score one. I'm living in California.

686
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: I have my own place, but I'm sharing it with

687
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: two other guys, two friends of mine, because I'm somewhat

688
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: broken in right. So some time is passing. Management is

689
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, moving around, trying to find another situation. UM.

690
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: In the process, of all of this. I'm driving down

691
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: the street one day and I don't know whose car

692
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: because I didn't have one. I don't know whose car was.

693
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I think it was Pauli's sister's car. Anyway, UM driving

694
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: down the street and a song comes on the radio,

695
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: a song called that Girl by Marcus Houston. If I

696
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: wanted that gerl, then I would be with that gerl.

697
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: But that one ain't for me. I remember, this is

698
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: the best day of my life. But every time you

699
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: sing it's the best day of my life. Every time,

700
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Let's see you. Sorry blessing, but

701
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: so so I wrote that song. That song was actually

702
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be my first single when I was signed

703
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: to Columbia Records. You wrote that I wrote that song.

704
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: My voice is still all the backgrounds on that song

705
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: is me. They kept my voice on the record. They

706
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: just sold it to Marcus Houston. I had no idea

707
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: that they sold it to Marcus Houston. I'm driving down

708
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: the street and this song comes on the radio and

709
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know this record, that's my record with

710
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: what the hell? So I called the management like yo,

711
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: they so, when did they give the record to Marcus Houston?

712
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what, Well do I get a chicken?

713
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: Why don't get ye? The rights? Right? I mean we

714
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: eventually went back in you know, lawyer's walls. La la

715
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: la got what I was old. But at the time,

716
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just talk about kick when you down,

717
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: Like damn, I'm already over. I'm already back in square one.

718
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: Now at any point in this, are you crying like tears?

719
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: Like tears, I can imagine you were. Um, I've never

720
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: been afraid of emotion. Emotion. We have emotions to help us.

721
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: We're supposed to use them. The thing that the thing

722
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: that messes us up is that we we tend to

723
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: let our emotions run us and you wind up using

724
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: the wrong emotion for the wrong situation or you know,

725
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: just going farther than you shoot on an emotion. But

726
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: I but I've never been My mom raised me like,

727
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: listen if it feels good, smile, laugh if it hurts, cry,

728
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: and never be ashamed of either one because you've been

729
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: giving these or a reason you're supposed to use them.

730
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: That whole macho thing. Men don't cry, it's the hell

731
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, we do. If you know what's good

732
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: for you, because otherwise you hold that ship in and

733
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: then you blow up at some dude at the store,

734
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: and now you're in jail. Somebody took your gas pumpers.

735
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: So you hear your song on the radio, and you know,

736
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: crying my thug tears, and I called my manager and

737
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: and he told me that there was pretty much nothing

738
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: we could do at the time. So I cried a

739
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: few more thug tears and then I kind of just

740
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: kept pushing after that. It's like, at that point, um,

741
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: my relationship with said manager is doing the ling because

742
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, um, I don't know, I don't know if

743
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: they're going as hard to try to find another situation

744
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: as they did with that, because they were. They were

745
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: kind of mad at me, honestly, because I'm part I'm

746
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: pretty much the reason that we got shelf because there

747
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: saying all right, so we got this set up and

748
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: this set up and this set up and it set up,

749
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not doing none of that ship

750
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: because I don't This album is not me. And they're like, oh, okay,

751
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: well the next thing, and my management is like, yeah right,

752
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: So we eventually, you know, dad it, So now I'm

753
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: really back at square one. I don't even have management anymore. Man,

754
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: PAULI still cool, but you know, PAULI is moving on

755
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: doing other things. Um. So that's when I'm I remember,

756
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm walking down the street. Uh, like a block away

757
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: from the crib. I was going to the corner store

758
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. And if I'm by myself, I'm by myself then,

759
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: which means I'm a sing like I'm by myself. So

760
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm walking down the streets singing at the top of

761
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: my lines. The people walking past them from ards. I

762
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm just I'm just I'm here. I got

763
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: the blinders on the right, but I did notice a

764
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: STUV driving in the opposite directions. Hit thing and come back,

765
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: turn around to come back, pull up next to me.

766
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: Hey are you seeing or something? Yeah? Oh well the

767
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: money I noticed, right. Yes. So Tango, my current manager,

768
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: we met, shout out to a man, Tango, this is

769
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: how we met. So mind you. He's like, yo, I

770
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: got the studio on these producers. We literally right around

771
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: the corner. Uh, come let me show you pull up.

772
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: So I just found him, Like, okay, they do it

773
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: could be a murderer, Um, but let's go all right.

774
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: So I hop in the truck pull off. We pull

775
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: about ten minutes down to down the way to where

776
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: the studio is at. I made the producers. We sit

777
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: up and talk. You know. It's a cool vibe. Start

778
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: making music that same night. Um, but mind you, nobody's

779
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: talking deal, nobody's talking anything like that yet. We just

780
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm literally just writing me songs, you know, sitting laugh

781
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: and joking with him. And then gone, right, So one

782
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: day time they don't know your back story or anything.

783
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: You guys, just nobody knows anything. So Tango goes. After

784
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 1: about two three weeks of this, Tango goes, all right,

785
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your record deal. And then I don't

786
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: know about all that, And he was like, why I

787
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: had a record deal before, and that that if if

788
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: that's what happen, a record deal is owned. He was like,

789
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: He's like, no, you just went in there with the

790
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: wrong people. He's like, listen, give me four months. If

791
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't give you a record deal in four months,

792
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: walk away, hands washing, no contract on nothing. I'm like,

793
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: cool too much later at a record months later, I

794
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: had a record deal. Uh. And it was kind of

795
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: it was kind of on purpose by accident, because we

796
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: started out kind of the same way we started with

797
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: the other management, just doing records and moving them around,

798
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: shopping them whatnot. Um. We were in New York on

799
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: on on a mission like that, just moving around playing

800
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: records for different record labels. We stopped at the Death

801
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: Jam building because the person I was with, my man Sauce.

802
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: He's a producer, uh from the groups offing of people

803
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: are early nineties I remember, but anyway, he's my my

804
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: vocal producer all that. So I'm with him and he says, yo,

805
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: before we go back to the hotel, let's stop in

806
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: the Death Cham building, not to shopping on records, but

807
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: a friend of his works in the Death End building

808
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: that he hasn't seen since high school. And he's like,

809
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm in New York. I at least want to go

810
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: say what's up? All right, cool? We head upstairs. He

811
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: didn't tell me that this friend was Tina Davis, who

812
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: at the time was head of A and R for Right.

813
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: So we're walked in her office. I've never seen him before,

814
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: I don't know who she is. I'm like, all right, cool.

815
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting the corner on some thumb Twitter like

816
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: waiting on them to hit the whole reunited and it

817
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: feels so good. Oh yeah, you look nice seeing you, said, girl,

818
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: did you cut your hair out of all of this?

819
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, I'm hunger. Now go give

820
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: me a slice of pizza that we leave here. Huh

821
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: oh nice to meet you. Yeah. So she goes to him, So,

822
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: what you mean up to I'm doing this, doing that?

823
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm working with this writers, Neil, he's

824
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: a writer. La la la la. Oh you're right, yeah,

825
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: Well she played me something, starts playing with some of

826
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: the music. She's listening to the music, but she's but

827
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: she's locked on me to the point where I'm like,

828
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: hell's wrong with right? So so she she goes, you

829
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: wrote these yeah, and that she's singing too. Yeah you

830
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: can dance? Yeah a little bit? What right? Right now? Yeah?

831
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: I got up. I'm sorry performing to the record. I'm

832
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: like performing to her because I looked at that as

833
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: a challenge, like, you're not gonna challenge me. This is

834
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: my music, it's my ship. You're not gonna challenge me.

835
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: So I got up. I'm performing, stood up on her

836
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: desk the whole night. I went for it, mind you,

837
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: stone faced the whole time no emotions. Jeez, I would

838
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: have been hold on to say, hey mr ready busy, Yeah,

839
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: I have somebody you might want me, Okay, come with me. Up.

840
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: You heard and you knew who that was. I know

841
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: exactly who that was. So at this at this point,

842
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I look over itself, was like, what was

843
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: happening right now? Right right? So we go up, We

844
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: shiit sit outside his office for a few minutes. I'm

845
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: sitting there with Sauce. I'm like, bro, He's like, I

846
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: don't know unless we're here. We're here, all right, cool.

847
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: So I walked in the room. I remember at the

848
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: time he had this long office, or at least I

849
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: might be making this up, and this is what it

850
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: felt like in my mind. I walked in the door,

851
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: just long office because he was all the way over there,

852
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: big chair and uh and it's like couches on either side.

853
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: He has his his tastemaker is sitting in the room

854
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: with him, his taste people that that, you know, the

855
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: people who people whose opinions he trust. So I walked

856
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: in and he's like, so you're the next big thing

857
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: hunt and I'm like, all right, well, let me hear something.

858
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: So I started playing the same song that I that

859
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: I performed for for a Teina earlier. So senior record,

860
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: same thing. Hop up on the desk, the whole nine

861
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: right stone faces from the whole room. No one is

862
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: giving me anything. I'm like, okay, we were just wasting

863
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: everyone's time here. Clearly they're not interested. So I finished,

864
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: no applause, no nothing, and l A goes all right,

865
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: thank you, can you step out? Let me how let

866
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: my folks right quick. I'm like yeah, sure. So we

867
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: go back outside, sitting out there for like an hour,

868
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: like you know, the lady that she was so nice.

869
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: She gave with chips and water and everything, and she

870
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: was like she was like normally if it takes as long,

871
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. And I'm like, okay, alright. So

872
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: hour goes by. I'm like, you saw they faces. They

873
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: let's let it all right. So we get up and

874
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: as we're walking out, like folks, their head out the

875
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: door says Neil, what's your lawyer's information? LA wants to

876
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: give you? Uh, I don't have a limople. Okay, we'll

877
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: work that out. We'll work that out. Congratulations and thank

878
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. We'll call you Tom. All right,

879
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: all right, I'll tell you. So we walked out of

880
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: building number what does that? What? What did I just

881
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: accidentally get a deal just now? So? Yeah, it was,

882
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was a moment. Now when

883
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: you talk to Sauce, did you ever ask him like

884
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: did he know kind of what he was walking you into? No?

885
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: We literally went in there so that he could see

886
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Tina here though. Yeah, am Id we had already we

887
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: had already been to Death Jam shopping music that week,

888
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: so we didn't that was what we was going in

889
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: there for. Like, we went in there like two days

890
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: before that, talking to somebody else trying to shop some records,

891
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, these are nice, We'll

892
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: call you like all right whatever, and we left went

893
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: back literally just for that, and and walked out with

894
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: a record deal. What a story? Yeah, and then you

895
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: at what point do you have your first major hit

896
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: breakout record. I'm not talking under because you had hits

897
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: before your format before the deal. Yeah. Um, so before

898
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: the whole record deal situation. Um Tango knew some people

899
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: that worked with Dr Dre Right, so that's where he

900
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: took me initially, trying to get me signs. I'm gonna

901
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: see if Dr Dre wanted to sign me. So I

902
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: went in there and you know, met with Dr Drames,

903
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: starts struck moment like wow, man, right, So he's playing

904
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: me tracks like think you right to this? Yeah? Hell yeah?

905
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: And he's like hold on, and then you'll play the

906
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: same track with a song on it already from this

907
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: other artist. And I guess apparently I didn't notice at

908
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: the time, but apparently he was trying to decide between

909
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: me and this other artist. I don't remember to do

910
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: his name, but but he had a weird style anyway,

911
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: it was he was he was. He was a little

912
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: bit more funned than me. So he eventually wound up

913
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: going with old Boy. But every time he would play

914
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: me a record, I'm like, he's like, you like, can

915
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: you beat this? Yeah? I think so. Right, So I'm

916
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 1: writing records, writing records, writing records. I wrote. I wrote

917
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: like four records in an hour, right, Damn, you're good,

918
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: he was. So he was like, he was like, this

919
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: is good. He was good. Let me let me think

920
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: about it, right, So come back the next day He's like, yeah,

921
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: I think I'm ana go with my man, you know,

922
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: just for what we're trying to do. He just got

923
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: a little bit more wrong, and I'm like, okay, that's fine,

924
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: So back to the drawing board. But as we're leaving,

925
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: Scott Storch, Scott Storch stops was like, Yo, I don't

926
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: know the hell dre talking about, but if you ever

927
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: in Miami looked me up? Okay, I left. I guess

928
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: him and Tango had a conversation after I left, if

929
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: you wanted up in Miami to follow on a week

930
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: he just happened to be working for Mario. Wow. Okay.

931
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: The first song that we did together was you should

932
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: Let Me Love You first on Me and Scott did together. Yeah. Yeah,

933
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: and I remember, um, I mean when we finished with

934
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: the record, like we we knew it was special, like

935
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: we we both said that, like yeah, and we got

936
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: some addition. Yeah. That's when I was like, I was like,

937
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: is Mario is that dude gonna be able to pull

938
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: this off? Because my I didn't know Mario all I

939
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: knew at the time he was like still young. I

940
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: remember to break my hair record and I'm like, this

941
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: was like a it's like a love record like this,

942
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: this this record got an old soul. Only is he

943
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: gonna be able to deliver this man that that dude

944
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: made me eat my words when he showed up. Mind

945
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: he I think he had just turned eighteen, So I'm

946
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: really like, he ain't gonna know what this song. He

947
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: don't be able to pull it dad and got it

948
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: in and cut that song in an hour, one hour,

949
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: whole song finished, start to finish, ad libs everything I

950
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: had apologized to that dude that I literally going to

951
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: brom I'm gonna keep funking with you. I counter Drea

952
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: before you got here. I didn't think he was gonna

953
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: be able. I didn't know you was baby Sam cooking

954
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: this thing. Da congratulations. So we became cool after that.

955
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: So the song comes out and uh yeah, it blows up.

956
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: It becomes the number one twelve weeks, the second most

957
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: play song and radio hits something something nuts like that.

958
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: So so I went in to that death gam situation

959
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: with that one in the tuck like I had already

960
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: did it, and it just came out. So it wasn't

961
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: like a big, big, big, big wow. So you had

962
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: the heat you had had, but but it wasn't. It

963
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: hadn't blown yet. It was out and like people was

964
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: talking about it, but it hadn't like really gone yet.

965
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: So by the time I got to meet jay Z,

966
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: because you know, remember l Ay was CEO, jay Z

967
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: was president. So by the time I got to meet

968
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: jay Z walking the room and I'm like, hey, how

969
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 1: you doing. My name is Neil, And he was like, Nick,

970
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: why do you get that song away? Nice to meet

971
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: you too, Mr G sir, All right, cool? Uh can

972
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: we start over? Because that was that was that was

973
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: the thing, So he really did. Those are his first

974
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: words to me, why do you get a damn song away?

975
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: Because I wrote it for family? Like, nah, but you

976
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: should have kept that that was yours. I got more

977
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: I can write, but um, but yeah, yeah yeah. So

978
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: for a long time I was just a little neigta

979
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: rot the Mario song. That was my name for like

980
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: a like a long anywhere I went, especially to James,

981
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: like a little Neiga with the Mario h um, the

982
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: little neiggat pleasure. Yes, it's a long name, is it?

983
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: Is it foreign? Yeah? It is. At any of these points,

984
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: are you like I have officially arrived. No, even when

985
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: jay Z is referring to you as the little No,

986
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm still not. It's still not registering to me that

987
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: I've that I've made it at this point because it's

988
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: just I'm really just working and working and working and

989
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: just going with the flow, not paying attention to what's

990
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: kind of happening around me. So like it it's I

991
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: never I didn't want. I didn't care to be famous.

992
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get into this for that. I mean, I

993
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: didn't get into this to make money. I thank God

994
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: that I've learned that I can make money from this,

995
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: But it wasn't my motivating factor for doing this. I

996
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: love music. If nobody ever paid me ever again to

997
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: do music, you still pull up and find me right here,

998
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: like this is my leisure time, right, So I'm not

999
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention to you know, the Mario song

1000
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: is blown up and everybody's I'm like, okay, cool, what's

1001
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: time in the studio? You know, I'm not. I'm not.

1002
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: It literally took ten years for me to finally sit

1003
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: still long enough to go oh Ship. We did win

1004
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: three Grammars, didn't we oh Ship? We did sell it

1005
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: to me and recursent we oh Ship? I did work

1006
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson, didn't not oh Ship. We didn't like

1007
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: like literally, it kind of just all hit me at once,

1008
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: but but it was because we had finally stopped, Like

1009
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: we toured for two years off of um uh, you're

1010
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: too gentlemen, you're a gyman. I'm literally on the road

1011
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: for two years. Show. You didn't get to really take

1012
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: it in because you were just work working, just moving, moving,

1013
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: moving moving. All right. Now we're doing this world show.

1014
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: All right now, we're doing that a war show, all

1015
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: right now, we're shooting this video al right now, we're

1016
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: working with dis artist and now Bimimi Mimimi. Right until

1017
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: we finally set still, like all right, tours over. We

1018
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: can go home for about a month everybody you know, recalibrate,

1019
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: and then we get back out there. And within that month,

1020
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: I just sat and blew my own damn mind, Like,

1021
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: oh we've done a lot of ship. We've done a

1022
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: lot of really really really cool ship. This has been

1023
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: a career and it ain't over. We still let you. Yeah,

1024
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: and you're a tough career because it's constantly transitioning and

1025
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: oh man, yeah, getting in is one impossible journey. Right

1026
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: once you get in, getting the success because it's countless

1027
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: people they get signed and put songs out and nothing happens.

1028
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: You never hear from them again. Right, So there's all

1029
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: of these doors that that you have to get through.

1030
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: You get through one and you think, oh yeah, I'm

1031
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: secure now because I gotta get through this from now.

1032
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: You gotta get a hit record, get a hit record,

1033
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: and I gotta get another one. Keep delivering every time.

1034
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: In mind you as this is happening, you're aging. The

1035
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: game is changing now, We've got social media and we

1036
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: got all of these all of these new the way

1037
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: that people are are are getting them music, they're doing

1038
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: that different Now. Everything is changing and you just have

1039
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: to keep up with the times, but not become the times,

1040
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. It was like I've been around,

1041
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: I've watched countless trends come and go, right, And I say,

1042
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: watched them come and go because that's what trends are

1043
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: supposed to do. They come, they do what they're gonna do,

1044
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: and then they move. If you base your artistry off

1045
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: of that trend, when that trend leaves, you leave with it.

1046
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: Right when you signed to def Jam officially and started

1047
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: releasing records under them, you were able to control your

1048
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: own narrative, right because the neo that I like love

1049
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: and love is you know you and the sound that

1050
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: you put your stamp on versus the first one, right, yes,

1051
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: know that was that was one of the things that

1052
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: that let me know that I was in a much

1053
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: different situation than I was with the Columbia Columbia situation,

1054
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: because I actually went to l A Read and said,

1055
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: all right, look, I've kind of done this dance before

1056
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: one other time, and it was a really really negative situation.

1057
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm not doing. Okay, y'all are not

1058
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what I can and can't wear. Y'all

1059
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: are not gonna tell me what producers I can and

1060
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: can't work with. Y'all are not gonna tell me what

1061
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of songs. Right, I'm not doing it this way?

1062
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: And ll A Rey looked me in my eyes and said,

1063
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: I signed you because I like what you do already.

1064
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: Why would I didn't turn around and change that? Amen?

1065
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, thank you, We're good. That's rocks.

1066
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: What advice would you what advice would you give to

1067
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: someone that is broke, like literally broke, is passionate about music,

1068
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: wants to pursue it to also get out of being broke,

1069
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: which is different from you your situation, but definitely so

1070
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: um okay. So one of the beautiful things about the

1071
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: music industry today is that you don't really have to

1072
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of money to do it. You can

1073
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: get in broke, you can't in now. Um, how far

1074
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: you go, that's gonna depend on your work ethic and

1075
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: then at some point how much money you can invest

1076
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: into yourself. I tell people all the time, don't don't

1077
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: chase your dreams to the point where you chase him

1078
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: right off a damn cliff, Like, make sure you can

1079
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: find forself, like you can work at McDonald's. All right,

1080
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: that's that's this many hours in a day. You still

1081
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: have got all these hours to focus on your music,

1082
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: to put towards your music. But this these hours is

1083
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: making sure that you can eat these hours, making sure

1084
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 1: that the lights stay on. You know what I'm saying,

1085
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: do that go get you a little nine of five.

1086
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: It ain't nothing wrong with that, And it ain't nothing

1087
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: wrong with that. That's literally nine to five. After five,

1088
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: get back into your craft. But make sure that you

1089
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: can take care of yourself at least to a degree. Uh.

1090
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: Like the whole starving artist thing, it doesn't have to

1091
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: be that. It literally doesn't. Um, but did you work

1092
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: their jobs when you were because it seemed like you

1093
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: were busy alot. I've worked every fast food chain you

1094
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: can think of, really, yes, McDonald's, McDonald's first. Yes, none

1095
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: of these jobs lasting longer than three weeks. That's not

1096
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: a good thing. I'm just saying that that. And I

1097
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: learned early on that I might have a slight problem

1098
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: with authority, just like I just look at it like this.

1099
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let you yell at me over

1100
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: a French fries. I'm not letting that happen. I just that,

1101
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: just that doesn't make any sense to me as a

1102
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: man and as a person for me to just sit

1103
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: here and allow you to be yelling in my face

1104
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: because I put too much salt on you know what,

1105
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: take this little thing, take a look mountain, dudes. I'm gone.

1106
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: And and pretty much every one of those jobs kind

1107
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: of ended that way. It's like I did something. I

1108
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: burned a pizza, but in mind, that was my faut

1109
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: because I was talking to my friend it was bullshit,

1110
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: and the manager comes into what the wrong with you?

1111
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: I got fired from McDonald's, and I realized early on

1112
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: that McDonald's and waitressing was very hard For me, I

1113
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: felt like there's a lot of pressure in lunch all right,

1114
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: very stressful, and you're supposed to be nice as people

1115
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: are jerks. Yeah yeah nice yeah, and those jobs you

1116
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: would think that they look easy, but yeah, I can't.

1117
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: I can't do either. I respect the people that do

1118
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: it too. Oh yeah yeah. But all I have to say,

1119
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: don't feel like, don't feel like you're above it as

1120
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: an artist trying to trying to get it going, like

1121
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not above any job. It doesn't mean

1122
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: you have to stay there, doesn't mean you have to

1123
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: thrive and try to become a manager of McDonald's one

1124
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: day and the ship, but you definitely need to do

1125
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: something to make sure that you can provide for yourself

1126
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: at least in the slightest degree of you know, if

1127
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: it's cinema, told crunch, every day, whatever, as long as

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01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: you can provide for yourself a little bit, and from

1129
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: there focus on your music. Now you have your Spotify,

1130
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: you have your YouTube, you have all of these different

1131
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: ways that you can get your music, that you can

1132
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: get your art out there that did not exist before.

1133
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: I didn't there was no Spotify when I was hassling

1134
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: Diddy coming at the restaurant like there was no other

1135
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: way to do it, but that now you have all

1136
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: of these other outlets, and really the spoils go to

1137
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: the person that works the hardest where everybody's sleep. You

1138
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: need to be working. You need to be posting regularly

1139
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: about your music, about your artistry, so that people know

1140
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: where to go to get it, people know that it exists.

1141
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying post on Monday and don't post

1142
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: again until Wednesday. No, that doesn't work. It doesn't work.

1143
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: It's a job, just like anything else that you would do.

1144
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: It's a job. And the more time and and time

1145
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: and energy that you apply to it, the better if

1146
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna be Now, I I've heard about publishing, and

1147
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: there's there's the artist. You're the artist, and then there's publishing.

1148
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Can you for the people that don't know how that

1149
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: structure works? Because I was my head, I think that

1150
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: if you're a songwriter, we're gonna talk a money. You

1151
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: make more right from publishing, but from publishing. But then

1152
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: the artists like, how does that whole music? So the artist,

1153
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: the artist doesn't get publishing unless they wrote on the song.

1154
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: Publishing is for writers for writers and producers. Um. Yeah,

1155
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: and that's primarily the bread and butter of a songwriter.

1156
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, you write a song, it becomes a hit,

1157
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: it lasts for a little while. Anytime that song is

1158
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: played longer than thirty thirty seconds. Anywhere you're getting paid,

1159
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: you get like a check in the mail. You got

1160
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: to check the mail or you know, how are you

1161
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: how do you work it out the mind? They send

1162
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: it straight to my accountants. But but yeah, that's that's

1163
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: your that's your that's your livelihood as a as a songwriter,

1164
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: you're publishing. And then as an artist, if you're not

1165
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: doing that, you just get the album sales and the

1166
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: you get a portion of the album sales. But I

1167
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: mean most most record deals are set up in designed

1168
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: for you to stay in debt, so you don't get

1169
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: a large portion of the record sales. You get pennies

1170
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: on the dollar. Um. But as an artist, as the

1171
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: person in the forefront, you have so many opportunities to

1172
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: make money in so many different ways. It's sponsorships and

1173
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: all of that ship. Like you know, songwriters don't really

1174
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: get sponsorships, but publishing pager forever as long again, as

1175
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: long as the song is being played longer than thirty

1176
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: seconds anywhere on the face of the planet. You're making money.

1177
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: I heard a clip on social media, didn't dive into it,

1178
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: so I can't tell you who it was where. This

1179
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: songwriter said that when she writes songs, she always doesn't

1180
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 1: she tries not to outsing the singer, and she also

1181
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: tries to dress less. So I guess a sexy or

1182
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: attractive or pretty or whatever, Well, I mean, yeah, hands down,

1183
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: this business is harder for for women than it is

1184
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: for men, just from a standpoint of you know, if

1185
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: you are an attractive woman, you're always an attractive woman.

1186
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: And every time you walk into the room, even if

1187
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: you're walking into the room as a multi platinum selling

1188
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: artists or or Grammy Award winning songwriter, you're an attractive

1189
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: woman first when you walk in that room, and that's

1190
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: the first thing that people are gonna notice. And then

1191
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: it's up to you and your your your accolades, and

1192
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: your your mental abilities to get people to pay attention

1193
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: to the other things about you as well. And you know,

1194
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: if you walk into the room, walk into the studio,

1195
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: and you know the things are sitting up and things

1196
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: sitting out, that's probably where the majority of the attention

1197
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: is gonna go, you know, and that you want to

1198
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: sit and talk business, you want to talk about songs.

1199
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at the citties right now, like the cities,

1200
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: just talking about something else, trying to figure out which

1201
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: conversation I'm supposed to pay attention to you because Tittis

1202
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: is talking to me. So so yeah, it's it's it's

1203
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: definitely in a songwriter's best interest walking into the studio

1204
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: to walk in, just walk in like you're not there

1205
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: for that sort of attention, you know what I mean.

1206
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: And then as far as out singing the singer, yeah,

1207
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: that's that's something that I that I I pride myself

1208
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: on and had to learn as well, because as a

1209
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: songwriter that can sing, you get in there and you

1210
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: just go for it and you don't realize maybe not

1211
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: everybody can do what you can do. Maybe not everybody

1212
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: can sing as hid you. Maybe not everybody can do

1213
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: that ad lib is intricate as you, And that will

1214
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: be the instance where an artist will not want the

1215
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: song because they're like, I'm not gonna sing it better

1216
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: than you just did, So what's the point of what's

1217
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: the point in me trying to do this record. So

1218
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: if you keep it kind of the middle of the road,

1219
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, just good enough, that gives the artist's space

1220
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: to add their thing to it. You know what I mean.

1221
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: If you listen to my demo of Beyonce as they're

1222
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: replaceable and then Beyonce's version to be replaceable, you'll notice

1223
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: the slight differences because I left room for her to

1224
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: create them. Give what I will give to your versus.

1225
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: It's on It's on YouTube. Oh for real, your merchant.

1226
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just put it there, but I looked

1227
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: the other day to day, okay, okay, and then I

1228
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: just spaced on. But I had a question that I

1229
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: was like saving in my brain. Not totally. I'm so

1230
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: mad at myself. It was, oh, last question. I'm not

1231
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna try to keep you because I want to invade

1232
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: your space. Um. You write a lot of hit records.

1233
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: How do you determine what you keep for yourself and

1234
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: what you give away? UM? A lot of times it

1235
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: depends on the way the song came to be. Like,

1236
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: for example, if I went into a studio that was

1237
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 1: paid for by said artists or said artists management, said

1238
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: artists label, whatever the case may be whatever comes out

1239
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: of that session, it's supposed to go to said artists. Right,

1240
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: Your people pay for the time, pay for me to

1241
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: be here. So whatever I produce in this in this

1242
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: block of time, it's supposed to go to UM. But

1243
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: if I go to the studio, as I told you earlier,

1244
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: I go here just on my leisure, just being here,

1245
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: just creating. Right. So if I go on and do

1246
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: that with nobody's specific in mind and it comes out amazing,

1247
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: of course I'm thinking, all right, I'm gonna hold onto

1248
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: this one. But there's times where I go in like

1249
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: that and do something and be like, oh, such and

1250
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: such a sound amazing one. I got something you should

1251
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: check out, you know what I mean. So it kind

1252
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: of there's no specific way it happens like it could be.

1253
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: It could be either of those of those instances. Okay,

1254
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: now I love you, but your latest singles says don't

1255
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: love don't love me? Yeah? Did you like the way

1256
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: I did that I love you, but don't love you?

1257
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: You know, every girl could relate to this. Okay, every

1258
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: girl has heard this at one point in their life.

1259
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that out of frustration because you're banging them,

1260
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: I could totally relate to the right. I can relate

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: to all your records. That's why I've played them so

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01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: many times, his love. So tell me about your latest project. Yes,

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01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: self explanatory? Um, okay calling calling the album self explanatory

1264
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: for a couple of different reasons. First reason being I'm

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: almost twenty years in at this point. I really don't

1266
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: feel like at this point a neo album needs that

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: much explanation. You kind of know what's coming to a degree, right,

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be There's gonna be stories because I love

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: to tell us stories, thank you very much. It's gonna

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01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: be melodic. You know, it's not gonna be this this

1271
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: this rap, same thing that everybody's doing right now, at

1272
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: least not all of it. You know, I gotta acknowledge

1273
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: what's happening right now, but not become right. It's going

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01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: to be the kind of music that you live life

1275
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: to the kind of music that you cleaned the house

1276
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: on Sunday, to the kind of music that you sit

1277
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: up and think about that dude, who if he had

1278
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: just did this, it would have been perfect. Whatever the case,

1279
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: this is the music that you're gonna get from a

1280
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: neo album pretty self explanatory. Um, second Lee, the self

1281
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: explanatory concept comes from just what music is and what

1282
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: music does. Like it's it's almost I mean you can

1283
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: try to sit in and put it in words, but

1284
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's easy to just feel it. It's easy

1285
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: to just put it on and let the music take

1286
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: you where it's gonna take you. Let the music explain

1287
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: it to you, you know. Yeah, yeah, so that's what

1288
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 1: this album is about. Um, there are songs on this

1289
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: album that the die hard Neo fan will definitely latch

1290
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: onto because it's familiar. And then there are songs on

1291
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: this album that, you know, people who maybe just heard

1292
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: Neo's name or just got familiar you know, some of

1293
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: this new generation some stuff that they can latch on

1294
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: too as well. Um. The song Don't Love Me kind

1295
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: of a heavy record, uh it is. It started out

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: as an open letter to my wife at a really

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01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: really dark point in our relationship, you know, Um, right

1298
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: before the pandemic, we were definitely talking divorce. And I've

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: actually credited the pandem me for saving my marriage because

1300
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: you know that that that whole quarantine thing made us

1301
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: sit down in each other's faces and talk about the

1302
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,440
Speaker 1: things that we wasn't talking about, you know, those uncomfortable

1303
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: conversations made us have those and by the grace of God,

1304
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: we figured out how to get back to where we

1305
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: just love each other. And that's that's what that is.

1306
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: But this particular song, yeah, it was a letter. It

1307
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: was a letter that I had written to her, um,

1308
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: basically telling her that I did not think that I

1309
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: was capable of being the man that she deserved, that

1310
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: she should leave. And of course she didn't want to

1311
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: leave you. We love you, We can't leave. Thank god

1312
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: she didn't leave. But um, but yeah, yeah, that's that's

1313
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: how the song came to be. And we were initially

1314
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: going to do the video, but we decided not to

1315
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: because we didn't want to even acting wise, we didn't

1316
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: want to go back to that place. I was surprised

1317
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: she wasn't in the video. What does this mean? Let

1318
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: me go on Instagram. Let's see what's his personal life

1319
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: is like. That's when we do just so you know, oh,

1320
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: she's not in the video. Let's go to Instagram. Let's

1321
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: fact check. How is his marriage? What's going on? Now?

1322
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: We're good man, We're in a We're in a really,

1323
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: really good place right now. I love how you kept

1324
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: that real right there. You know. I when you when

1325
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: you love somebody, when you genuinely love somebody, you don't

1326
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: want to hurt them. And if you know that you're

1327
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: not gonna be what it is that they need you

1328
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: to be to stick with that person, to stay with

1329
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: that person knowing that you're not gonna do right, it's

1330
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: just selfish now as a man, Just for all the

1331
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: women that have heard this line before, is it heartbreaking

1332
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: for the man to say that to the woman? Like

1333
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: are you sad to say that? Because it's like almost

1334
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: like you're quitting. I was. I don't know quitting is

1335
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: the right word. No, no, no, no, no, that's that's

1336
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: that's actually accurate because what I realized is you can

1337
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: do anything, like there is no I can't be this person.

1338
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: There is no I can't be faithful. I can't there

1339
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. We what we want to do, and

1340
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: that is the bottom lines of everything we do. What

1341
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: we want to do. If you want to be faithful

1342
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: to that woman, you'll be faithful to that woman. Like,

1343
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: don't tell me that you can't. I'm not capable of

1344
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: it that because that's just you basically saying that you

1345
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: don't want to, you'd rather not because there's nothing stopping you.

1346
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: What's what's stopping you? But she had a fat as,

1347
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: She gonna always have a fat ass. That's never gonna change.

1348
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: What what's what's your point? So the sadness to me was, Um,

1349
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: I was sad because I didn't want her to leave.

1350
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: But I also didn't feel like I was gonna I

1351
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: was gonna do right by her. That I can honestly

1352
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: say now at this at this time, I didn't want

1353
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: to do right by her. I was I was allowing uh,

1354
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: the lustful spirit to to to control me, you know

1355
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. Um, But again, through those really uncomfortable

1356
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: conversations and and you know, just blatant, painful honesty, we

1357
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: we got to we got to where we need to be.

1358
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: I realized that I was copping out. And now she

1359
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't deserve that either. So and she was she was

1360
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: gangs as. She was like, yeah, she's like, no, I'm

1361
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. She's she's actually the one that said

1362
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: it to me first. She was like, no, it's not

1363
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: that you can't. It's not that you can't do it,

1364
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: it's that you won't do it. Wow, that's what it is.

1365
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: So until you can stop being a coward and figure

1366
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: out where it is you want to be, you know,

1367
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: don't don't don't feed me this wow. Like yeah, So

1368
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: I kind of had this step back and get my

1369
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: thing together, right. But we are in a great place now,

1370
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: you know. The pandemic was the best part of mine.

1371
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: I would say it was the scariest thing because I

1372
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: had a business and went to zero. It crashed and

1373
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: burned in a micro second. And then of course I

1374
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: was thinking about eating moll broke. I was like, I

1375
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: want to do eaty more broke. I want to do

1376
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: eaty more broke. Well, I had an events company, went

1377
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: to ship you ain't got nothing but time. I did

1378
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: a mural of my garage. I was doing people. I

1379
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: haven't passed my house, Like what are you doing today?

1380
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I have too much time. But one

1381
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: of the things I didn't have time for was like dating,

1382
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: and I was in all these serious relationships my husband

1383
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: now husband. I was like, I lined up like three

1384
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: guys that I thought looked good on paper, and I like,

1385
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: straight up was like interviewing for this pandemic, Like yo.

1386
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: Then the world's about to happen. It's time to settle down.

1387
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: And every guy that looked good on paper was like, uh,

1388
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: just we're not fun to hang out with. In the pandemic,

1389
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Ship, I don't even have an

1390
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: excuse to get out of hanging out with you. I

1391
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: can't say I'm going to work, you know, yeah, I

1392
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: have nothing. So my husband, who I was looking at

1393
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: as like my fun because he, like on paper, looked

1394
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: like shit, like he was like the worst on paper,

1395
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: but he was the most fun. So I was like,

1396
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm stuck. The guy that looks like

1397
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: Ship on paper is who I am having fun with,

1398
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: trapped in the house with, and the guys that looked

1399
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: great on paper, I couldn't stand being in a room

1400
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: with him for more than three seconds. So I decided, bucket,

1401
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have fun. I'm going to live my best

1402
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: porn star life. And you know, uh, within a year

1403
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: and a half, I ended up pregnant and married. I said, well,

1404
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: the guy who didn't look good on paper for all

1405
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: the ladies who always assumed like the guy has to

1406
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: have all these things, and it was the best relationship

1407
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: I've ever been in and thankfully it was the pandemic.

1408
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: And before we got into the pandemic, you know, he

1409
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: kept tell me, if he just will give me a chance,

1410
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: I could tell you gonna love me, You're gonna like me.

1411
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: Stop looking at me like a bag of meat. So yes, pandemic,

1412
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: right than pandemic. Well, thank you so much for eating

1413
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: uh cinnamon toast crunched with me. It was very nostalgic

1414
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: and giving me best. I don't know, I don't know

1415
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: what can top it, but this has been amazing. I

1416
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: get to tour your whole space. Yes, yes, you know,

1417
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: we get to go up up close and personal with you. Oh.

1418
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: I did want to share one last thing. So years

1419
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: and years ago, when early twenties I had a high

1420
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: school magazine, Neo came out. He had the PD record,

1421
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: you know he had. He came out right around the

1422
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: same time as Chris Brown. I saw Neo. My twin

1423
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: called me up. She said, hey, there's these two guys.

1424
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: You gotta check them out. They're dope, They're gonna be

1425
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: theyre could be huge. And I came off to her

1426
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 1: house and she, you know, she showed me Chris Brown

1427
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: and Neo, and I was like, oh, my god, this

1428
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: guy Neo and I love Chris Brown to not not gonn,

1429
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna lie. I was leading towards new

1430
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: so I called over to death Jam and you know,

1431
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: made arrangements. I got ahold of to Sean and Tango

1432
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: and anyways, we ended up setting up an interview and

1433
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you guys the story because Neo

1434
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know what I'm about to say about Neo. So

1435
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: we were we were behind the scenes. Our company was

1436
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: really struggling. We were broke, We were barring cameras just

1437
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: to shoot his interview. We were we were dire you

1438
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: and we would have high school students do the interview

1439
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: with you. It was anyway, one of the guys on

1440
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: our team was like, Neo, I love your sneakers. You

1441
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: don't remember this. He was like, Neio, I love your sneakers.

1442
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: And you were like, well, what size are you? And well,

1443
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: you didn't say it corny like that, you like, and

1444
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: I think he had the same size sneaker. And we

1445
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: were at the hotel right there in Hollywood. I don't

1446
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: know the name of it, it's and you literally took

1447
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: off your sneakers, handed it to him and walked away

1448
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: in your socks and one and made his freaking day.

1449
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,839
Speaker 1: And two. I will never ever for get you walking

1450
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: away in your socks. And that was my story. That

1451
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: was That's who Neo is for. I do not remember that,

1452
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: but it does sound like something that I would do,

1453
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 1: especially if I have more shoes. Yeah, yeah, you were like,

1454
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay. He's like, you sure you know

1455
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: he's walking away the songs you sure you can give you?

1456
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: He was like, it's okay, it's okay, I have more.

1457
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: I have more. But that's who Neo is for. People

1458
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: that don't know and listen to your records and even

1459
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with to Seawan and Tango like I call,

1460
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: they answer. I don't know why they listen, and they

1461
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, they always helped me out. So shout out

1462
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: to your whole team. I hung out here the last

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Speaker 1: couple of hours and I enjoyed every minute of it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much for coming on. Eating

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Speaker 1: Wild Broke, Eating Wild Broke all right, and exactly Peppe

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Speaker 1: for more Eating while Broke from I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: The Black Effect. Visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast,

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