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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal verbal ull that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 2: for a day, eat a steak?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And them and tie the Tuesday

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Speaker 1: mister Dan Rubinstein, sir, welcome back to the pod. How

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Speaker 1: goes it? My friend? Pretty good?

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't admit this publicly because it's gonna sound weirder

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Speaker 2: than it actually was. But I went to bed early

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Speaker 2: on Sunday nights like I normally do because I don't

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Speaker 2: get much sleep Saturday nights, so I'm just a wreck

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Speaker 2: all day on Sunday. And so when I get that

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Speaker 2: deeper sleep because I went to sleep at I don't know,

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock or something last night, like solid nine to

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Speaker 2: six fifteen, six thirty night of sleep, which I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you're very jealous you don't sleep anymore. No, But I

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Speaker 2: always have these very vivid dreams, both because I'm always

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Speaker 2: injured and my body is trying to heal itself, and

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Speaker 2: so I get into deeper sleep, and because I just

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Speaker 2: slept longer, I'm almost positive I dreamt in a totally

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Speaker 2: g rated way, ty, where are we going with this

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Speaker 2: about Nick and Terry Saban? And nothing at all inappropriate?

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Speaker 2: It was literally I think it was like odd good

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Speaker 2: on tour with Nick Saban, but Miss Terry was involved,

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Speaker 2: and I like that.

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Speaker 1: You felt the need to specify that no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it was entirely g rated, as if it wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: if you're dreaming about Nick and Terry.

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Speaker 2: If anybody has ever listened to this show, you know

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Speaker 2: that my brain goes to non g rated places, probably

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Speaker 2: more often than it should for a forty one year

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Speaker 2: was just odd and I don't know why, why he

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Speaker 2: is planted into my subconscious Obviously he's quite present in

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Speaker 2: game day and in the college football universe post retirement.

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Speaker 2: There was something I actually did give a lot of thought.

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Speaker 2: He like returned to the LSU facility that he helped

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Speaker 2: how's that for a show opener?

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Speaker 1: Tie? Well, hey, and I think I saw somewhere on

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Speaker 1: social media Miss Terry was at game day. I think

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Speaker 1: she goes with coach Saber some of these sites. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it's a hell of a good time. She was

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Speaker 1: kind of in the crowd cheering them on. So welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. On that note, I am ty,

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Speaker 1: he is Dan. This is a solid verbal hit follow, hit,

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Speaker 1: We are recording this of course on Monday, November the eleventh.

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Speaker 1: Happy Veterans Day to our veterans out there. We have

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Speaker 1: many that listen stationed across the globe. Many of you

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Speaker 1: Belatedly so as many of you are listening to this

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. This is the spill over episode, Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: This is the one where we go back through we

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Speaker 1: search the catacombs of our minds. We try to cover

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Speaker 1: anything we did not get to on the Saturday night

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Speaker 1: recap episode. Oftentimes we do those shows. We're quite tired.

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Speaker 1: The second we hit stop, we sort of instantly forget

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Speaker 1: what we discussed. That's how it is for me anyway.

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Speaker 1: So on that note, I've got a bunch of items.

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Speaker 1: We also have a Verballer segment that sort of spun

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Speaker 1: verballers dot Com. We'll get into that and then just

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Speaker 1: give you a brief look ahead as for what week

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Speaker 1: twelve looks like. Before we do, though, should we start

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Speaker 1: with our new Verballer Top twelve Pole would love to.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing this every week. You can go and

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Speaker 1: sign up at verballers dot com to vote in our

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Speaker 1: Verballer Top twelve Pole. So movement as you might expect

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Speaker 1: given the results that we saw on Saturday a week eleven,

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Speaker 2: in which they haven't lost, specifically against Utah, I don't

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Speaker 1: Some demerits, And I don't want you to go too

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Speaker 2: Oh no, what did we get ourselves into?

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Speaker 1: The big game in Week twelve is Georgia against Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: One of those two teams is probably getting in the

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Speaker 2: I just think george is getting so much credit for

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Speaker 2: I that was a week And the rest of Georgia's

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Speaker 2: you can't drop Georgia from like three to fifteen. Why

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Speaker 2: And having Georgia be high. So we've had eleven weeks

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Speaker 2: We have culminated with ole Miss basically throttling Georgia. Let's

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Speaker 1: What right?

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Speaker 2: Why? What is it that is in your heart that

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Speaker 1: No you don't.

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Speaker 2: You just watch them play.

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Speaker 1: Georgia couldn't compete.

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Speaker 2: They were lost against ole Miss, So why keep them

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Speaker 2: ago or whatever. That's stupid, ty, This is an absolute

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Speaker 1: Stop it? You're gonna give away the game?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, hold on, I think notre name is

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Speaker 1: Hold your horses here for a second. This points to,

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Speaker 1: I think a broader discussion that we have every year

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Speaker 1: If Georgia played Alabama tomorrow, they'd be, you know, three

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Speaker 1: Certainly at the quarterback position, they are finding ways to

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Speaker 2: I have been absolutely just assassinated by these referees. I

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Speaker 2: point out Utah went up twenty one to ten and

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Speaker 2: that's not on the defense. Were there opportunities for Utah

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Speaker 2: From Afar, if you can say definitively that referee call

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Speaker 1: Well, we had our chances. Oh well, calls go with

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Speaker 2: We would look at that Utah and be like, gutty

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Speaker 2: We're going to be banned from all the soda shops

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some other stuff going on around college football. Not

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Speaker 1: my guess is that no time like the president to

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Speaker 1: get started. This is a move that probably needed to happen,

432
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Speaker 1: if only just a safe face I prove that need

433
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Speaker 1: to go in a different direction. So what it looks

434
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Speaker 1: like with respect to who they bring in, what it

435
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Speaker 1: looks like with respect to responsibility. Is it going to

436
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: be a situation where the offensive coordinator has total play

437
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Speaker 1: calling duty or Mike Marvela has some input into the

438
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: philosophy of the offense. I'm sure he will, yeah, and

439
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: he's an offensive minded guy. All of that stuff remains

440
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Speaker 1: to be seen. But Florida State on the board here

441
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Speaker 1: with needing two new coordinators going into twenty twenty five.

442
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Speaker 1: Dan right in terms of news that's the biggest in

443
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Speaker 1: terms of leftover takes as we do on this episode.

444
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Speaker 1: I have several, but I've already done it a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of talking one will.

446
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Speaker 2: Do you have any takes on Florida State making those changes?

447
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Speaker 1: My take is the take that I gave voice to

448
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: on the Thursday preview episode a week ago. Okay, I

449
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: didn't realize how bad they had gotten. Oh yeah, I

450
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: didn't realize. Like you watch Florida State games if you're

451
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Speaker 1: a sadist and you could see with your own eyes

452
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: that it's pretty bad. Yep, you don't realize how much

453
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Speaker 1: it's bottomed out until you look at the old spreadsheet.

454
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Speaker 1: And I said to you on Thursday, they looked like

455
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Speaker 1: Kent State. There were Kent State teams that I have

456
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Speaker 1: seen recently where they looked like that on the spreadsheet,

457
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Speaker 1: And so it's just been a full bottoming out of

458
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Speaker 1: this team. I don't know if that's a coordinator thing, Dan,

459
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's just the DJ. You think there

460
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: are probably a million reasons as to why, but literally

461
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Speaker 1: nothing has taken. I don't care what Mike Norvelle is owed,

462
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Speaker 1: but if he has another year next year like you

463
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Speaker 1: had this year, he's toast. They won't stand for it.

464
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Speaker 1: Two years in a row. I think it's sixty plus

465
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Speaker 1: million dollars, sixty ish million. It's a lot, a lot

466
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Speaker 1: of potatoes.

467
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Speaker 2: So if you are an offensive coordinator with an offensive

468
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Speaker 2: line background, and Alex Atkins is credited or at least

469
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Speaker 2: partially credited with helping to rebuild that disaster stress offensive

470
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: line where it was a few years ago at Florida State,

471
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Speaker 2: and you get them to the point where they are

472
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Speaker 2: an asset last year twenty twenty three, and they're running

473
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Speaker 2: the ball well and protecting Jordan Travis well enough, and

474
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Speaker 2: that offense is I think really good last year, not great,

475
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: but really good. And the defense last year was somewhere

476
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Speaker 2: in the vicinity of like a top ten national defense

477
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Speaker 2: in terms of points per drive allowed. They were around thirty,

478
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Speaker 2: somewhere between thirty and forty the year before. And now

479
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Speaker 2: the offense candid all stay on the field, candid all

480
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Speaker 2: protect a quarterback. The turnovers are mounting, the three and

481
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: outs are mounting, of course, threes and out three and outs,

482
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Speaker 2: I don't know. And you're asking a defense to do

483
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Speaker 2: everything to keep this Florida State team in the game. Somehow,

484
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Speaker 2: I don't think, and maybe, look, maybe Adam Fuller was

485
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: just a bad fit, maybe just culturally.

486
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

487
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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about what's happening inside of Florida State.

488
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Speaker 2: All I can say is he's probably not a bad

489
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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator if he's able to get at a very

490
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: talented twenty twenty three squad to that level where they

491
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Speaker 2: are shutting teams down even when the offense was struggling

492
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Speaker 2: like crazy. After Jordan Travis got hurt late in the

493
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Speaker 2: season last year, I understand there has to be a

494
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Speaker 2: fall guy, and if it's not going to be Mike Norvell,

495
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Speaker 2: you have to say, Okay, maybe we are going to

496
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Speaker 2: find a defensive coordinator who is better at figuring out

497
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: duct tape and chicken wire to get this defense off

498
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Speaker 2: the field more often when the offense is terrible. I

499
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Speaker 2: just don't know how you put it all in a vacuum.

500
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: I don't know how you pull it all on the

501
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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator when the offense was this much of a disaster.

502
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: The offensive line I think, was supposed to be somewhat

503
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: of a strength heading into the season and just weren't performing.

504
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: And so I understand when your offensive coordinator is also

505
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: an offensive line guy, like, well, who's going to improve

506
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: this unit? If this unit is this much of a disaster? Obviously, DJ,

507
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: you didn't work out. I guess the only real silver

508
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: lining here with Florida State is whoever they pay to

509
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: be their next quarterback is going to make enough money

510
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: to put generations through college. Yeah, and whoever that is

511
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: pre congratulations because it doesn't appear like that quarterback of

512
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: the future is on this roster in the moment. High

513
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: level ACC championship level quarterback is on the roster at

514
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: this moment, and it does. I don't believe they have

515
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Speaker 2: a quarterback in the future committed at this point because

516
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: it looks it looks like a three star who's not

517
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: in the top however, many hundred of the recruiting rankings,

518
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: So maybe this guy's a sleeper. I don't know, but

519
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: we're at least two three years out from that showing

520
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: itself to be the case. Florida State is in deep

521
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: right now, and I hope for the sake of ACC

522
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: entertainment that they can quickly dig out of it in

523
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: the portal. But this is the danger in relying too

524
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: heavily on the portal is that you don't develop depth,

525
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: you don't develop that culture unless you're absolutely nailing the

526
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: fits and the talent level. And Florida State has a

527
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: ways to go.

528
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Speaker 1: It has not been promising, to say the least. This

529
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Speaker 1: has been a really bad year. Yeah, a really bad year.

530
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Speaker 2: They have the number thirty one ranked recruiting class for

531
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five at the time of this recording.

532
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Florida State, let's talk about Oklahoma State. Yeah,

533
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: we haven't had much reason to talk about Oklahoma's state lately,

534
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: but Oklahoma State started three and oh I believe, beat

535
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: Arkansas in a bit of a shootout, and since lost

536
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: seven straight. They are three and seven overall. They are

537
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Speaker 1: oh and seven in conference, dead last in the Big Twelve.

538
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: This is a team that I thought would be in

539
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve title game, if only because of their

540
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: returning production, if only because of the schedule that seemed

541
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Speaker 1: very promising. I am not alone in that prediction. I

542
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: don't believe you were quite as high on the Pokes

543
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: as I was. But even in your wildest dreams, you

544
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: didn't have them going oh and seven in conference.

545
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Speaker 2: I was just a year early on being down in

546
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Yeah wrong here.

547
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what level of accountability we get

548
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: from Mike Gundy now in light of this a really

549
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: bad campaign. And I know a lot of people like Gundhy.

550
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: He's been sort of a mainstay and still water and

551
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: he's funny and he's got the fun hair and all

552
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: that person.

553
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: Really like him. His house is on the market, you

554
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: can jump on in.

555
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm curious to get the temperature of

556
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma State football program from people who listen to

557
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: this show, many of whom have been vocal about Gundhy

558
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: about the program in their years of listening to us.

559
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: We did an interview where we talked specifically about Oklahoma

560
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: State way back when I want to say June May,

561
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: somewhere in that timeframe, and there was a sense that

562
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: there was like an hour never element to this season

563
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: because of everything that was coming back, because of the schedule,

564
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: because of Oklahoma and Texas leaving the Big twelve to

565
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: put in this kind of campaign is really bad. It's

566
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Speaker 1: not Florida State bad, but it's close. The defense is

567
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: fully bottomed out. This was a team of memory serves

568
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: that had nine starters back. Defense is bottomed out. I

569
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Speaker 1: know they've had some injuries as well to deal with,

570
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: but at this point in the season, everybody's kind of

571
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Speaker 1: in that boat. It just feels like this is such

572
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: a poor performance that there need to be answers and

573
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: sure not necessarily calling for the end of the Mike

574
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Gundhy era, but after a campaign like this, somebody's got

575
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: to pay the piper. I can't imagine there are a

576
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: lot of Pokes fans out there that are all that

577
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: excited about where things stand right now.

578
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Speaker 2: And by the way, likely should have lost that Arkansas game.

579
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Speaker 1: In addition, I know, I know that's the thing.

580
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Speaker 2: So we're dealing with an Oklahoma State program this year

581
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: that lost to Isaac Wilson. The start of the Utah

582
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: collapsed twenty two to nineteen. They lost my three touchdowns

583
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: to Kansas State, twenty four points to West Virginia, three

584
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: points to BYU and a good showing some fight, ten

585
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: points to Baylor, twenty one points to ASU, and twenty

586
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: five points to You see that like on the fly

587
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: math Tie.

588
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I know you see what I'm I can't do that.

589
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: There's no way I could do that.

590
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: They're not losing strong teams, no They're not losing to

591
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: bad teams, they're not losing a strong teams, They're not

592
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: losing the top ten to fifteen teams and just have

593
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: a brutal schedule. They're losing to unranked West Virginia, losing

594
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: an unranked Baylor, unranked TCU, and it's not close. No,

595
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: I just kind of think things are broken there, and.

596
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Who broke them right?

597
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: Who's fighting these quarterbacks, who's building this roster, who's getting

598
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: this team ready for games, who's getting this team in

599
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: the right head space before decent sized games. It's all gundhy.

600
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Speaker 1: The case for Oklahoma State before the season and even

601
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: at the end of last was well, give Alan Bowman

602
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of credit. Alan Bowman's an experienced hand.

603
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: Alan sure, Alan Bowman, this cast of characters out wide

604
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: with Ali Gordon right like, give him a little bit

605
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: of credit. That was what people told me at the

606
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: end of last year when I was a little bit

607
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: wishy washing in Oklahoma State, and to the extent that

608
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: was true. Yeah, haven't really been able to run the

609
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: ball this year. Feels like the line got worse. Oli

610
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: Gordon is not having near the campaign he did in

611
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. The defense. I remember when they brought

612
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: over Brian Nardo, brought him down from a small school

613
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: in PA. Last season, it was like, well, some things

614
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: are better. This year, it seems like everything's worse. It

615
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: feels really bad.

616
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: At least, they tried to put QR codes on their players'

617
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: helmets for nil purposes, which I think immediately got shut down.

618
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: Right, this is not me trying to dunk on r

619
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State by any stretch.

620
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: No, the Big Twelve has already done enough of that continue.

621
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: But it's just like, we talked so much about Florida

622
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: State and how the knowles have bottomed out, and I

623
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: have not heard a whole lot of discussion about Oklahoma State.

624
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, maybe because you know, the Big Twelve is

625
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: sort of fun and wacky and there are a thousand possibilities,

626
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: one of which I'll talk about next. But I just

627
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: want to make sure people understand what's going on in

628
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: still Water as well, because that's equally depressing. Yeah.

629
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things you pointed out by

630
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: the way, I think I don't know if it was

631
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: in the recap show or a previews show something. How

632
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: many teams in the MAC are five and four in

633
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: this moment, six out of the twelve or five and four, buddy.

634
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: You look at any conference, these giant conferences, everybody's three

635
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: and three, four and five, five and four, whatever. It's

636
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: never been easier to be mediocre in college football in

637
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: terms of filling up your roster, filling up so all

638
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: we have, you know, a whole linebacker, All right, let's

639
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: go to Sam Houston get their best linebacker.

640
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: Whatever.

641
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: It's never been easier to build a complete roster and

642
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: even the playing field in these conferences. And Oklahoma State

643
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: is the team that says it's still pretty hard for us, guys,

644
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: It's still pretty hard.

645
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: It's just such a disappointment. It's such a disappointment because

646
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: I remember specifically when we had that discussion about Oklahoma State,

647
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: I believe was Scott right from the Oklahoma Yeah. The

648
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: framing of our questions, the framing of that whole debate,

649
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: was is it an Oklahoma State thing keeping them right

650
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: from achieving more? Is it a Texas and Oklahoma thing

651
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: standing in their way preventing them from achieving more? You

652
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: could argue a little bit of both. But it's been

653
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: an interesting experiment to see what would happen if those

654
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: two schools founding members of the conference leave and it's

655
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: just Oklahoma State standing there with a bunch of returning

656
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: production and a schedule that seemed favorable. Yeah, hasn't worked,

657
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: has not worked at all.

658
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: It's almost like when I don't know if it was

659
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: last year for you, when I built the altar of

660
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: dan because I was the sheriffs thing in college football

661
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: picking because I was like twenty eight percent against the spread,

662
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: which is actually really good. It's very difficult to be

663
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: that bad. In that same way, it's very difficult to

664
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: be oh and seven in the Big Twelve. There is

665
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: so much within a standard deviation of mediocrity in this

666
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: conference that you think you would have accidentally beaten two

667
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: of these teams, and Oklahoma State can't even do that.

668
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: It's actually like what Purdue has done, what Oklahoma State

669
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: has done, what Florida State has done.

670
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: It's really difficult.

671
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: It's really really difficult to not just happen into two

672
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: or three wins in one of these conferences.

673
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Let me stay in the Big Twelve here. Credit to

674
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: the walk on red Shirts to tweeted out something about this,

675
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: and it got me thinking and looking into it a

676
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: little bit more, please, there is a scenario in which

677
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: Utah beats Colorado this weekend. West Virginia wins out and

678
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: gets into a three way tie for second place, wins

679
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker, and goes to the Big twelve title game. Okay.

680
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: ESPN puts the odds of this at two point three percent. Okay,

681
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: and it would require a three way tie in order

682
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: for it to work. But I was thinking about this

683
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: a lot because we've talked a fair amount about West Virginia.

684
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: I was really high in West Virginia coming into the

685
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: year and things haven't quite gone to that plan. They

686
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: of course decided to keep Neil Brown around to whatever

687
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: degree at the end of last season. Remember that was

688
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: the big debate kind of turned the year round and

689
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: brought Neil Brown back again. But now again there are

690
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: people calling for his head because this has been a

691
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: bit of a disappointing campaign. Would this not be the

692
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: greatest trick Neil Brown ever played on the West Virginia

693
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: fan base if he went to a title game? What

694
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: a title game and got a first round buy in

695
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: a college football playoff game?

696
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So two of his final three games are at

697
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: home and all West Virginia does is lose in Morgantown.

698
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: I know exclusively lose in Morgantown. There's a reason it

699
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: is two point three percent. I think it's zero point

700
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: six percent. It's less than one percent of making the playoff.

701
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: But because the Big twelve is a bit of a hash.

702
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: At the minute, and because it feels like it's in

703
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: anything goes weekend every time these guys play, just want

704
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: to call this out that there is a possibility out

705
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: there because you know, I like my crazy tiebreaker scenario, yeah,

706
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: of course, or West Virginia ends up playing for something.

707
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also a possibility that's starting tonight. You start

708
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: working on your vertical jump and really hammering your quads

709
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: and your squats and doing all sorts of exercises, and

710
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: you're just impressing everybody at the why with your tomahawk jams.

711
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: Next summer, TI, there's a two point three percent chance

712
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: of that happening.

713
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: But could you dunk if you worked on your vertical leap?

714
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Sure you think you could do it?

715
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm around six to one, depending on how much

716
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: I've shrunk in my old age, right, Yes, I definitely could.

717
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: I am of average athleticism that if I did nothing

718
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: but train. Sure, I think I could.

719
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: It would be an interesting off season endeavor for us

720
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: to both hammer the glutes, hammer the cavs, and see

721
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: if one of us can dunk by the start of

722
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah.

723
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: I think there's like very straightforward exercises. You just have

724
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: to do it every day. I'm just saying I appreciate

725
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: the wild nature of this possibility, but it's hard for

726
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: me to even to squint and see it happening. Even

727
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: the Utah beating Colorado element of this, I know, I

728
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: listen in this moment, we're.

729
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: Both pretty high in Colorado. So yeah, they're probably gonna

730
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: win this conference. My final thing here that I jotted down,

731
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got stuff. I want to turn the

732
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: floor over to you. I've been doing a lot of talking.

733
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: I apologize for all now. People prefer it is Nebraska

734
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: going to get the six wins? Oh, it's a good question.

735
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: On a bye last week, but coming off of a

736
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: loss against UCLA, Yeah, three games left at USC home

737
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: against Wisconsin, on the road at Iowa. Should be favored

738
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: at home against Wisconsin, maybe by three points, maybe by

739
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: three points. I think they are a dog against the

740
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: other two on the road. Yeah, this season started off

741
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: like a ball of fire with Dylan Rola. Since then,

742
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: there has definitely been more of a normalization effect that

743
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: has taken on audio term for the dorks out there. Hello,

744
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: my name's Ty. I'm not so sure they're getting the

745
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: six wins Dan, and I'm curious to know from Nebraska

746
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: fans how they feel about this. What is your vibe

747
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: on this season? How has this felt to you as

748
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: a Nebraska fan?

749
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh, opening up a can of rancid corn here? Probably

750
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: not great.

751
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: It just feels like a lot of shredding water, like

752
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: what but like positive things like you still feel good

753
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: about Delan Royala. But he's a true freshman and he

754
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: started to show he's more of a true freshman. Took

755
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State to the guns. So we know that the

756
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: defense can play well. Yeah, offense still a very big question.

757
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: Are they going to get the six wins? Dan? Would

758
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: you bet on them getting the six wins? Right now?

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: They need one. They just need to win one of

760
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: those three.

761
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never been easier to be an average team.

762
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: Nebraska has some issues and they are turning to the

763
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: Knight in Shining Armor with a scullet and a four

764
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: loco of some kind in his hands. Dana Holgerson Phil

765
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: snowsback as a sort of consultant of some kind. Hasn't

766
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: really been the defense's issue. I mean, defense was an

767
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: issue against Indiana, but otherwise they've held teams down. I

768
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: mean it was what twenty four points in regulation Illinois.

769
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: Everybody else is scoring about twenty points. Ucla scored twenty seven.

770
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: Have a bye week going into the sc game. Another

771
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: broken team in USC so maybe there's opportunity there. They're

772
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: making a quarterback change going to Jade Mayava. Wisconsin seems

773
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: pretty broken on offense. I was good, but they just

774
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: went and lost to UCLA. It's never a good place

775
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: to be in when you're just like, we just need

776
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: one of these teams against one of these games against

777
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: an average team to go our way. And so the

778
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: Matt Rule vibes so far very good for Nebraska. The

779
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: Matt Rule results. What has change from year one to

780
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: year two? Results wise? I guess fewer turnovers on offense,

781
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: there's more optimism for the future, But I don't know.

782
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: It feels pretty similar and I don't know, man, I

783
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: think Matt Rule gave a press conference and he was

784
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: asked something like what you know, what is what do

785
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 2: you see as like big picture being wrong with the offense,

786
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: And I'm paraphrasing here, and his answer was just.

787
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: Like a good question, man, it's a good question. Like

788
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: he was deep in his feelings, in his thoughts in

789
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: that moment. And unfortunately it seems to be a recurring

790
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: theme with some Matt Rule teams, both in college and

791
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: in the prog GOSHA. So, yes, they absolutely have an

792
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to their first bowl game since what

793
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.

794
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: Yep, they'll be excited to do so. Beating Nebraska would

795
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: be Beating Wisconsin would be great, Beating SCNLA would be great.

796
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: At Iowa is going to be very difficult for them.

797
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: But when was the last time this team's where I

798
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: guess thirty points would have been in Northern Iowa. So

799
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: the last time they scored? Man, have they scored thirty

800
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: points against an FBS team?

801
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: It has been a minute.

802
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: Not Colorado, not Illinois, not Purdue, not Rutgers, not Indiana,

803
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: not Ohio State, not UCLA.

804
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one interesting wrinkle for the game this weekend.

805
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: It's at four o'clock on Fox Nebraska on the road

806
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: at USC. I jotted it down on our shared spreadsheet,

807
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: USC minus nine. Let's just go ahead and take the

808
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: plus nine. All these teams do is play one score

809
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: games against most of the teams are their schedule. Yeah,

810
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: I would take those points happily before it comes down,

811
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: and I think it will come down.

812
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you're supposed to get better as your true

813
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: freshman quarterback gets more comfortable, supposed to get a little

814
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: things are supposed to get easier. And who broke them?

815
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: Rutgers broke them? Was that the theory they got infected

816
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: with some scarlet fever?

817
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Yep, that's tough. By the way, I found our Snow

818
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: advisory sound from back in the day, Bob Cover coming

819
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: up from Waco, Waco, Raco. That was the old this

820
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: isn't the problem. That was the old Phil Snow sound. Yeah, no, no, no,

821
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: it was that. I think that was intended as a

822
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: compliment for Phil Snow. So we know what I'm saying,

823
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: bringing in Phil Snow to consults. I know, I don't

824
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: know that defense has been truly. I mean, it was

825
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: the problem against Indiana, but otherwise I'll look for it here.

826
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: I also have a Daniel Holgerson sound that I used

827
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: to play back in the day. I'll find that one.

828
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: What are your takes here? What are your thoughts, your

829
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: leftover emotions from week twelve before we turn it over

830
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: to our game and let the fine people go.

831
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: I watched Washington Penn State for the first time because

832
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: you're just not going to convince me to dedicate a

833
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: TV to Peacock unless it's my team or a huge game. Yeah,

834
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: and so didn't watch that. Penn State looked impressive. Washington

835
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: could not at all get to Drew Aller. He was

836
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: very clean. They generated easier plays against this Washington defense.

837
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: Washington could not at all block Penn State upfront. I

838
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: came away very impressed by the effort and the ability

839
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: to finish from the Penn State defensive front. I again

840
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: hated to see Penn State's goal line ish offense, like

841
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: inside the ten, We're like, let's go to the backup

842
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: quarterback and the tight end take things over. We're just like,

843
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: this might be why you're struggling on first, second, third,

844
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: and fourth and goal against Ohio State, that you don't

845
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: have consistently successful reps and opportunities for Drew Aller in

846
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: high leverage moments and it's just let's do some fun

847
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: stuff with Bo Prebula. Tye obviously has said that Bo

848
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: Prabula might be better than Drew Aller. So there's that.

849
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I said that. I never said that.

850
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: You went up three octaves. You're like, after he showed

851
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: out against somebody.

852
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: That was raw emotion talking, because I was subsequently slapped

853
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: down from that perspective from folks in the YouTube comments.

854
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah Tie, ever the hoe for Bo? Yeah yeah, so no,

855
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: that was the issue I had. We're like, it's fun

856
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: that you have a direct snap to Tyler Warren and

857
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: he like jumps over the pile and scores a touchdown,

858
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: or it's fun that Bo Brabula runs it in from

859
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: seven yards out. Well, what's going to happen against a

860
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: team in the Big Ten championship game or next year

861
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: against Ohio State or whoever? And it's you know, whoever

862
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback is next year? Because what Drew Aler

863
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: is eligible right to be drafted? Yeah, correct, I don't

864
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: know that sort of What are you doing against the

865
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: average teams, the below average teams to get your team

866
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: more and more comfortable? That's where I like was started

867
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: paying attention to Penn state dominant performance. They weren't as

868
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: good in the second half, but you played differently when

869
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: you're up whatever, it was twenty eight to three than

870
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: you do when it's fourteen to nothing. But Washington seems

871
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: to be like a team that is suddenly very much

872
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: in flux after seeing decent will Rogers really struggled against

873
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Penn State, and so they made the change. I actually like,

874
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: I think it's Demond Williams, the backup for Washington. I

875
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: thought he had a spark. I thought he gave him

876
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: something interesting.

877
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: What else you got from me?

878
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: Otherwise? I'm just glad Maction, you know, early to midweek

879
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Maction is back. I came away very impressed with the

880
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: Duke against NC State, and that was a game in

881
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: which I thought NC State was going to win, but

882
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: the Duke defense just smothered them, you know, really showed

883
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: a lot of looks at CJ. Bailey that he could

884
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: not ingest properly. I guess is a weird way of

885
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: phrasing it, but that, especially given how they lost to SMU,

886
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm making note that Manny Diaz has this Duke team

887
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: in like a healthy spot mentally to go and win

888
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: that game on the road against NC State the week after.

889
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about too much with Michigan Indiana. Michigan's

890
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: gonna need to spend a lot of money on an

891
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in the next month or two because you

892
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: can point to the quarterback stuff you keep putting in

893
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: alex Orgy, and everybody knows what's coming. It's a runner

894
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: at trick play of some kind.

895
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, I've looked at one point, big moments

896
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: in the red zone continue. I looked at one point

897
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: on game on paper. Dot car friends over at game

898
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 1: on paper and they do a thing where they will

899
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: calculate expected points added a EPA per play per player, yes, right,

900
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: which will show you who is contributing to a team winning,

901
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: who is contributing to a team's troubles. At one point

902
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: in the game, and I don't know where it finished up,

903
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: alex Orgy was almost negative two points per play every

904
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: time he was in the game, every time he was

905
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: getting a carry in this game this past weekend against Indiana.

906
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: So just they they fight a way to quantify it.

907
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: We can see it with our own eyes. He doesn't

908
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: add anything to the offense. And that was the beef

909
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: that I had with him in that Oregon game. And

910
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: just the way that they are using him seems a

911
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: bit puzzling. You know, it's one thing if you're going

912
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: to bring him in for a series. It's one thing

913
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to bring him in to at least

914
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: give the threat of throwing the football. But they're not

915
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: even doing that. We saw down at the goal line

916
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: against Oregon. The threat of throwing the football came from

917
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. It didn't even come from Orgy. It

918
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: was like an end, a round pass, a throwback. So

919
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: he is offering nothing with respect to any kind of

920
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: variability in the offense. You bring him in the expectation

921
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: he's going to run. Everybody knows he's going to run.

922
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I just don't know why they keep doing it.

923
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Michigan's running an offense in which it seems

924
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: that they don't care who's on the offense. This is

925
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: what they're going to run, come hell or high water.

926
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: And that's a show and more problem.

927
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: Colston Lovelin, excuse me, he's having a great season. He's great.

928
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: Should have transferred somewhere good and you know it all

929
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: it's all sort of for not other than the fact

930
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: that I'm sure he loves Michigan, so good for him. Otherwise,

931
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: across the sport, Toulane's lurking man. I watched some of

932
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: that game. I didn't watch a lot of the game,

933
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: but they just destroyed Temple like immediately. Lane versus Navy

934
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: this week, I can't wait. Tulane favored by about six

935
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: and a half points against Navy. That game's at high

936
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: noon on ESPN two. That'll be an interesting contest.

937
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: That certainly has real significance in the American certainly has

938
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: real significance. I think with just an I for that

939
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: G five playoff spot, there's only a select few teams

940
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: that I think at this point have a real shot

941
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: at it, and Toulaine's one of them.

942
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: I think they're good. I also, I don't know if

943
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: I recognize that West Virginia. I went back and watched

944
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: West Virginia Cincinnati. West Virginia scored seventeen points against Cincinnati

945
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: and got a scoop and score touchdown and a pick six. Yep, win,

946
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: how you can. Good for West Virginia. But that's why

947
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: they're in your miracle position to apparently win the big

948
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: twelve crazy all right, but yeah, that's all I have.

949
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: It's player for a baller game, real quick?

950
00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Dead Rubben, stay talked to me.

951
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: You're the contestant today in a little game we're calling

952
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: here in the solid very well greater than less than.

953
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: I am going to give you a list of teams.

954
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: You need to tell me how you think that team

955
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: would fare against others in our Verballer Top twelve pole. Dan, Okay,

956
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: do you like my game show voice? How did I do?

957
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: Nailed it? You absolutely nailed it.

958
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Starting off with a team that has a fifty nine

959
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: percent chance of making the college football playoff. They are

960
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: in our for Baller Top twelve pole. Not all of

961
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: these teams are going to discuss. Are how many teams

962
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: in ore for Baller Top twelve pole would be? Why

963
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: you beat Dan Rubinstein. I presume you've got the for

964
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: Baller Top twelve pole in front of you. I will

965
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: link it up in the description to this year episode

966
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: so that people can refer back to it as well.

967
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Right now, we've got BYU at number seven again. Just

968
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: to recap, it's Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Indiana, penn State, Tennessee.

969
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: That's your top six to round things out, it's BYU

970
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: at seven, by Notre Dame, Alabama, Georgia, Miami, and Old Miss.

971
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: So of those twelve teams. Of those other eleven teams,

972
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, recite for me the names of the

973
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: teams that you think BYU would beat if they made

974
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: it into the playoff.

975
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: I think the team I would wager on BYU to

976
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: beat most confidently, I guess would be Miami, just because

977
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: of the Miami defense and letting teams, you know, go

978
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: long stretches scoring points and Jake Rhetz laugh could have

979
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: some success and has scored points with BYU this year.

980
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: What about Indiana, I would take Indiana. They're buttoned up.

981
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: They throttle teams.

982
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Now.

983
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: They didn't throttle Michigan. They didn't do anything in the

984
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: second half. I think they were a little bit beat

985
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: up on the offensive line, which whatever. I'm more confident

986
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: in Indiana right now to win in more ways than

987
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: by You can. And by the way, I would take Miami,

988
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: but I think by you can beat Miami.

989
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: The thing that really set me off was I felt

990
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: like they got owned at the long A scrimmage and

991
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: all of the teams on this list, maybe with the

992
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: exception of Indiana, but Indiana has been pretty buttoned up.

993
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: As you said, all of these teams have really good

994
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: line play, defensive line play. That would be the matchup

995
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: that would concern me, and I think to the point

996
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: of what we saw in that Utah game, they didn't

997
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: lean as heavily on Mackay Bernard as I think they

998
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: could have. But whether it was Brandon Rose who got

999
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: to start a quarterback, or whether it was Bernard himself,

1000
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: they were able to get things going on the ground.

1001
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the teams in this list

1002
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: could do that as well. I sold on BYU beating

1003
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: a team like an Old miss which we know has

1004
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: really good line play, which we know can run the

1005
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: football as well when they want to. Certainly Ohio State

1006
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: with all their weapons and how good they've been at

1007
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: least on the defensive line side of things. Oregon. I

1008
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: mean that goes without saying maybe Indiana, but it's a

1009
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: maybe for me. I'm not sure they beat more than

1010
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: one team on this list.

1011
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: Again, we would be so much more impressed with BYU

1012
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: if they had lost a game. Weird to say, but

1013
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: I think that's true because now we're looking at them

1014
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: through a different shade of lens.

1015
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh Miss sixty one percent chance of making the college

1016
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: football Playoff. By the way, this is per the ESPNFPI. Okay,

1017
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: as you look at this top twelve, they are number twelve.

1018
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Do they beat Miami?

1019
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: I would yes.

1020
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: We just saw they beat Georgia, so that's two. Do

1021
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: they beat Alabama they play.

1022
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm fifty to fifty on that just because of the struggles,

1023
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: but it's not Nick Sabanbama. Yeah.

1024
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 1: Do they beat Notre Dame.

1025
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: I would feel on a neutral field decently about their

1026
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: chances to beat Notre Dame.

1027
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we feel similarly about BYU. That's four teams, Tennessee.

1028
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: Healthy, Nico. I'd probably take Tennessee because ole Miss has

1029
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: had trouble against teams that are.

1030
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: I would take ole Miss, Dan come on.

1031
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, ole Miss is the how's the throttle Geam, I'm

1032
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: gonna go ole Miss, Penn State. I mean James Franklin

1033
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: in a big game, that take ole Miss. Yeah, Indiana probably,

1034
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: Ole Miss.

1035
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: Texas, take Texas, Ohio State and take Ohio State. Oregon.

1036
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: You take Oregon. Probably. It's seven teams. It's pretty good,

1037
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: not bad. I think I agree with you on all

1038
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: of those. Okay, Georgia. Georgie's got seventy four percent chance

1039
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: of making the playoff, but george is in a weird spot,

1040
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: and Georgia plays Tennessee this week, which we will preview

1041
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: on the Thursday episode. I kind of don't know how

1042
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: to answer this for Georgia. The thing that I'm really

1043
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: stuck up on with them is I have no idea

1044
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: which direction the offense is headed. Like I talked about

1045
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: this a couple of weeks back. Now you can go

1046
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: back and listen to it, and it was what Georgia

1047
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: is doing on first and second down relative to the

1048
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: run is having a knock on effect with how they

1049
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: use the pass. And in this instance that we've seen

1050
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: actually the last two weeks running now where Carson Beck

1051
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: isn't as efficient, isn't as responsible with the football, turning

1052
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: the ball over a little bit more. It has like

1053
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: a worrying effect on the whole project on offense. We

1054
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: have seen that persist. I do not feel like this

1055
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: is a team on offense that is getting better. They're

1056
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: still struggling to find some of their playmakers. I think

1057
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: with more pressure on Carson Beck, we are seeing that.

1058
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: You know, there are ways that this team can be

1059
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: attacked that we have not seen in the past. So

1060
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I see Georgia at ten or of a ball Our

1061
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: Top twelve poll, which feels about right to me. I

1062
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: don't know my level of confidence with them beating a

1063
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: number of teams in this list, Like I feel like

1064
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: they're going to beat BYU. I feel like they probably

1065
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: beat Indiana just because they've got more talent than those schools. Right, Miami,

1066
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: there's a question about Miami. You got to score to

1067
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: beat my Amy? Can they score? Don't know? I mean

1068
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: I think they could beat Penn State. It's like fifty

1069
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: to fifty proposition for me as I look up and

1070
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: down this list.

1071
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have them struggling against Notre Dame. I

1072
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: would have them struggling against Tennessee.

1073
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1074
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: I haven't made a pick for that game yet. That's

1075
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: coming up Saturday, right, correct. I mean they beat Texas,

1076
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: they beat the number three team, So you can't with

1077
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: certainty say anything other than sometimes the real Georgia shows up.

1078
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: But that's also a Georgia team that struggled on offense

1079
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 2: for a good chunk of that game. So they were

1080
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: able to put the clamps on Texas defensively. But no,

1081
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: I think I think just don't think Georgia is completed.

1082
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: I think they don't know what they want out of

1083
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: their offense, and their secondary has struggled for large stretches

1084
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: of the year. Yeah, I think at their best their

1085
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: top five team, and we very rarely get that. So yeah,

1086
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 2: I think there'll be three or four teams on this list.

1087
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: Let me give you a couple more here. I'm not

1088
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: going to do every team in my list. Okay, Indiana

1089
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: has a ninety three percent chance of making the college

1090
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: football playoff. That's incredible. Good for them. Can we just

1091
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: take a knee for a second and acknowledge how awesome

1092
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: that is? Yeah, for Kurt Signetti to have this Indiana

1093
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: team with a ninety three percent chance of making the playoff.

1094
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: They're ten to zero for the first time in program history.

1095
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: They've got a big one coming up next week against

1096
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State that's going to be very significant. Right as

1097
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: things go, right now, the way this is shaken out,

1098
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: you win one of those two, you're in. Certainly you

1099
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: beat Ohio State, you're in, I think, one way or another.

1100
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: As you look up and down our top twelve. How

1101
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: many of these teams are you confident that Indiana is

1102
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: beating one? See? Because here's the thing, right, if we're

1103
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: going to play it this way with Georgia, if if

1104
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: we are, I'm not saying we are, but if people

1105
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: are going to give Georgia credit for who it once was, right,

1106
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: there is also an element of this with Indiana which

1107
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: cuts the other way. Indiana has been a doormat for

1108
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: the majority of time that you and I have done

1109
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: this podcast. They've never been this good, right even close

1110
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: to it. So how much is our bias from Indiana

1111
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: of years past creeping into Indiana of present.

1112
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: No, my bias of Indiana years past does not exist

1113
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: at all in my mind. Okay, you know, obviously there's

1114
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: like unconscious bias something. Indiana has played nobody and has

1115
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: treated those teams accordingly, nobody impressive, nobody that seems to

1116
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: be like a top forty ish team, and they played

1117
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: Michigan was not that good and could not adjust at

1118
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: all to what Michigan was doing on defense. And so

1119
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: my bias is being a prisoner of the moment, maybe

1120
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: to too much of a degree. But sing Indiana at

1121
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: home against a deeply flawed Michigan offense and still a

1122
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: decent Michigan defense, but overall Michigan is not terribly impressive

1123
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: this year. And seeing Indiana struggle in that way with

1124
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: Curtis work on the field, wasn't it Tavid Jackson game

1125
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: that affected me?

1126
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: And they have an.

1127
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: Opportunity to fully erase that feeling. I have that emotion

1128
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: I have against Ohio State, But when you play Maryland,

1129
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: Northwestern UCLA, Michigan State, it's super impressive within the context

1130
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: of Indiana. But when you have that opportunity against Michigan

1131
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 2: and you need every second of that game, suddenly that yeah,

1132
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: I think they'd beat BYU. But as I look at

1133
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: this list, I think it's a different animal. I think

1134
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: then you're talking about like TCU Georgia. You're like, oh,

1135
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: this is this is different. This is a different animal,

1136
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: different change. So yeah, let me ask you this methetically.

1137
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Indiana in two weeks beats Ohio State.

1138
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1139
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: It's a different conversation. Different conversation, right, So we're so if.

1140
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: You asked me the same question in two weeks after

1141
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: Indiana has beaten Ohio State, how many of these teams

1142
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: and Let's say it's I don't know, thirty to twenty

1143
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: seven something like that against It would.

1144
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: Have to be high scoring. It's not going to be

1145
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: a rock fight, right if they win their score in

1146
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: thirty three points? Right?

1147
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: So, how many of these teams? So you'd put Indiana

1148
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: over Ohio State, probably over Texas, depending on how Texas finishes.

1149
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: I'd put Indiana over Penn States certainly, and they are

1150
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: in this ranking. Put them over Tennessee, put them over

1151
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, put them over Bama, Georgia, Ole, miss whatever.

1152
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: I'd put them over confidently five or six.

1153
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: They can lose.

1154
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: They can still lose to those teams. But yes, that

1155
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: would go a long way. As for me feeling better

1156
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: about you know, in Indiana, Tennessee. In what Tavin Jackson

1157
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: matchup Tavin Jackson in Indiana against Notre Dame battling for

1158
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: the state supremacy.

1159
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: All right, two more, I'm gonna do two more here

1160
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: real quick. Let's Colorado. How many of these teams do

1161
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: I think Colorado could beat? Colorado? Right now has about

1162
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: a twenty seven percent chance per ESPR of banking the

1163
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: college football Playoff. You and I I think are of

1164
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: the mind that Colorado is gonna win out and because

1165
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: of the word chance, Yeah, because of the way things

1166
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: have gone in the Big Twelve. They're there and they

1167
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: control their own destiny. They do. They control their own

1168
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: playoff destiny. At this point, they need to win the

1169
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: remaining games. They would obviously need to win out over

1170
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: presumably BYU, take the Big Twelve, get a first round

1171
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: by which would be wild. How many of these teams

1172
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: in over ball our top twelve poll do you think

1173
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: Colorado could beat? I think they could beat Indiana.

1174
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: They could beat Indiana.

1175
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: I think they will beat BYU if they play. The

1176
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: thing to bear in mind about this Colorado team is

1177
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: better defense than a lot of people know. Good passing offense. Yeah,

1178
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: doesn't really care much to run right, doesn't really care

1179
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: that much to protect Shador because he has still been

1180
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: under assault most of the season. So it's a lot

1181
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: of their wide receiving cores and it's a lot of

1182
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: their defense setting them up. That has been the engine

1183
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: for this season for Colorado. Could they beat Miami, Ah,

1184
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: I would take Miami. I would take most of these

1185
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: teams to beat Colorado. Yeah, BYU fine, I would take

1186
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: Indiana to beat Colorado. I think it'd be a shootout.

1187
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: I think be forty five forty two.

1188
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: It's an unimpressed I don't even know about that. I

1189
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: think it's an unimpressive conference. It's an unimpressive schedule. They

1190
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: should have lost to Baylor, and as a good team

1191
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: does wins a game that they should have lost, or

1192
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: at least that was a fortunate way to beat Baylor,

1193
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: and so we're talking about a different kind of Colorado

1194
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: season if they do lose that game. I think we

1195
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: should just accept Colorado for who they are instead of

1196
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: trying to, like, you know, pound them into a square

1197
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: hole or whatever circular peg.

1198
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm just asking because there's a chance they

1199
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: find their way into the playoff.

1200
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I understand. I would have them losing said playoff

1201
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: because I don't think their offensive line is of playoff

1202
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: caliber and I don't think their defensive line is deep

1203
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: enough that against some of these teams they have playmakers

1204
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: on the defensive line. I just don't think they have

1205
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: the bodies that you'll need if you were to play

1206
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: against Texas or Oregon or Ohio State or Ole Miss

1207
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I just think it might be

1208
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: a bloodbath in the second half and we'll maybe we

1209
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: could definitely find out, but that would be my feeling.

1210
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: Final team Notre Dame. Notre Dame sixty seven percent chance

1211
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: of making the college football playoff eighth in our poll. Yes,

1212
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: I looked at this. I looked up and down here.

1213
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame beats BYU. I think Notre Dame

1214
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: beats Indiana. Yeah, for sure. I think Notre Dame can

1215
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: beat Miami. I think Notre Dame can beat Penn State.

1216
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: I think I think the cutoff for me is Georgia.

1217
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: I think with where George is at right now, I

1218
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: think Notre Dame could win that game, depending where it is.

1219
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: I got questions about Ole Miss and the way they're

1220
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: playing Oregon, Ohio State, Texas. I think that part goes

1221
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: without saying, Okay, Tennessee Georgia, Like one of those two

1222
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: teams is going to be in this poll next week,

1223
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: not both, And so I'm I'm like that to me,

1224
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: I think they can beat Tennessee and not so sure

1225
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: about Georgia. Like, right, that's kind of the meeting middle

1226
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: for me. With respect to Notre Dame.

1227
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: Notre Dame is interesting. They've taken care of business against

1228
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: kind of nobody. Like the Louisville game is impressive period. Yes,

1229
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: the way they beat Louisville, good job Texa, A and

1230
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 2: M farther and farther in the rearview mirror, I don't know.

1231
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 2: It's game one of a new coach, did a great

1232
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: job winning on the road. They obviously have the embarrassing

1233
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: blip against NIU, and then it's just like Georgia Tech

1234
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: backup quarterback, Stanford collapse team, Florida State Collapse Team, Miami Ohio,

1235
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: Purdue collapse team. The data points on Notre Dame don't

1236
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: have me super confident they can beat teams in this

1237
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: top twelve that have clear and obvious flaws. But like,

1238
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if they can beat Tennessee. Like, do

1239
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: you feel good about Riley Leonard throwing into the Tennessee

1240
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: defense a beat up offensive line trying to block the

1241
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: Tennessee front.

1242
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: I think he'd be running into this defense, is what

1243
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: he'd be doing, right. I think eventually you're gonna have

1244
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: to throw on third and twelve, though, I think that

1245
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: would be the mindset going up against some of these

1246
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: better defenses.

1247
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And Tennessee has their own flaws but just

1248
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: when you look at what Notre Dame has accomplished and

1249
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: against whom they accomplish those things, like, probably take Bama

1250
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: the decent chance, I take Georgia decent chance, I take

1251
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: Ole Miss decent chance. I'd take Miami.

1252
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: I think the matchup that frightens me is especially since

1253
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's got a bit of a patchwork secondary at

1254
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: this point, after losing Benjamin Morrison. Sure, they've obviously lost

1255
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: some beef upfront as well. A mobile quarterback who can

1256
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: extend the play and give talented receivers a chance to

1257
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: break off their root tree and find space.

1258
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: What's kind of everybody on here?

1259
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: That's my point.

1260
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: Oregon yes, Ohio State, yes, Texas maybe less so, Penn

1261
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: State yes, Tennessee yes, Alabama yes, Georgia somewhat, Miami yes,

1262
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: Ole Miss Yes.

1263
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: If you're talking about purely mobile quarterbacks, guys who have

1264
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: been guys are athletic enough to buy time, Yeah, guys

1265
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: who have been defined as dual threat. I look at

1266
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: Ole Miss, so look at Miami. Yeah, obviously Alabama.

1267
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: I mean Tennessee. Nico's not fully that, but yeah he's athletic.

1268
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just a lot on here that I think

1269
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: could give them a trouble. So it's about half and

1270
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: half for me. Yeah, so look right in salverbagmail dot com. Again,

1271
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: I've linked up the Overbowler Top twelve poll. If you're

1272
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: ever so inclined to go back and use that as

1273
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: a reference point, maybe you would disagree with how the

1274
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: poll is ranked out. I don't know. You have an

1275
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to change that if you sign up at verbowlers

1276
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: dot com commit that to memory to it. This week, Dan,

1277
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: we have two games that are a little bit We've

1278
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: got UCLA and Washington. Washington favored by three and a

1279
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: half points. That'll be interesting. Nine o'clock on Fox Leave

1280
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: on Friday. Got Houston at Arizona, Arizona favored by about

1281
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: a point and a half. That'll be interesting contests sort

1282
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: of at the back end of the Big twelve. There

1283
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: are a bunch of other weekday games to be clear,

1284
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: but those are two that I pulled out that I

1285
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: just wanted to make mention of our schedule for the

1286
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: week ahead. We will continue to do our preview episode

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Speaker 1: on Thursday morning, as we have been doing now all

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Speaker 1: season long. Big ten Breakfast. We are getting weirder with

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Speaker 1: Big ten Breakfast every week. That is on our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: We post that every Friday at nine am Eastern times,

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Speaker 1: so would encourage you to go and watch that. We

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Speaker 1: do post the audio out on for bowlers dot Com

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Speaker 1: as well for the audio only crowd. As far as

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Speaker 1: Week twelve's games go, we will, of course find plenty

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Speaker 1: of reasons to be interested in these games. It is

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Speaker 1: lacking for star power, though, Oh my god, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I totally disagree. Tennessee Georgia is the big one right now.

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Speaker 1: Georgia is favored by nine points. You got Clemson against

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Speaker 1: pitt You've got Arizona State at k State, which is

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Speaker 1: that's great, really good game. You've got your Oregon Ducks

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Speaker 1: minus fourteen and a half going to Madison. Are you

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Speaker 1: going to that game? Did you decide?

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to that game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: look if it's six thirty local times, so that means

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Speaker 2: it's going to go until Yeah, it'd be top maybe

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Speaker 2: almost ten pm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be tough.

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Speaker 2: I don't think i'd There's a lot of good games

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Speaker 2: I gotta watch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you tak Colorado, Colorado favored by ten Texas Arkansas

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Speaker 1: sometimes can get weird LSU Florida, Nebraska, USC MISSOO South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I think these are all great.

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Speaker 1: Kansas orsus B YU BA. You favored by three and

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Speaker 1: a half points.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels Reborn.

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Speaker 1: We will talk about all these games on the Thursday episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is all we have here on the spillover episode.

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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on, first off, how you would

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Speaker 1: rank the Verball or Top twelve if you did not

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Speaker 1: already vote. And then, secondly, and perhaps more importantly, how

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Speaker 1: some of these teams would fare against the Verball or

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Speaker 1: Top twelve if push comes to show. These matchups will

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Speaker 1: probably never happen, but it's an interesting thought experiment. Now,

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Speaker 1: since we're officially now in the season of doing these

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Speaker 1: playoff rankings on Tuesday nights, we're starting to think up

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