1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome Home, Everybody. It is another edition of Native 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Landpod where I am your host, Angela Riah. Especially for 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: the solo pods, I'm missing my dear co hosts and 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: sister and brother Tiffany and Andrew. But today we're going 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: to get into something that is near and dear to 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: the hearts of many. You know, right now we are 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: facing trouble really on every side, and as we face 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: that trouble, we have to hold on to hope. 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: We're trying to hold onto. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Hope in an era that has tried diligently and violently 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: to erase us black culture, black books, black art, black people. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: And in the middle of that erasure, there is still 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: a fight that continues. 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: Again. 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: You know that we've been on our State of the 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: People Power tour, and on that tour, we've seen just 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: how much it is important that black people have relief, 21 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: that we work together to find those points of relief, 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: and that we also work together to shape, to develop, 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: and to strategize around policy. One thing that black folks 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: have been arguing for for a really really long time, 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: really since before emancipation in this country is reparations. I 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: often reference HR forty, which was first introduced in the 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: House of Representatives by Congressman John Conyers, who was one 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: of our former Congressional Black Caucus bosses. He began introducing 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: reparations legislation in nineteen eighty six. I believe he introduced 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: the first bill, and he would introduce that reparations bill 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: that just called for this study of reparations every single Congress. 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: And then when Congressman Conyers passed away, Congressman Sheila Jackson 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: Lee from Houston, Texas picked up that mantle. And when 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Jackson Lee passed away, Congresswoman Ayana Presley has now 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: picked up that mantle. 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: But there's also some folks who are. 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: Doing this work every single day in the streets, in 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: the halls of state legislatures at the city level, and 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: that also includes faith leaders. So today I'm thrilled to 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: present to you all pastor. His name is Reverend doctor 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Robert Richard Allen Turner. And for the ammes among us, 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: y'all understand that Richard Allen in the middle means a 43 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: lot and the Robert Turner at the ends, on the 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: front end, the at the end is making history himself. 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: So let's bring Robert Richard Allen Turner to the stage, 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: to the podcast stage. 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: How you doing, pastor Hey, hey, hey, I'm all right, 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: just trying to recover. 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so I'm high energy. He is not. 50 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: And let's tell the people why you're not. You have 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: taken a long journey in the fight for reparations, engaging 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: in a practice that many of us are familiar with 53 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: but don't always implement ourselves. You have taken the time 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: to walk for reparations thirty three times. You have walked 55 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: over fourteen hundred miles for reparations, and I want to 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: know why. What is the point of that protest and 57 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: why do you see that as your most effective effort 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: to get reparations across the finish line nationally. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: First, thank you, dear Sister Angela for having me on 60 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: your show. I've been a huge fan of your work 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: for a long time. I am now the day after 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: my walk, and I have done it, as you said, 63 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: thirty three times, and the reason being, as a good 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: clergy colleague friend of mine, William Lamar calls it the 65 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: piteoprophetic ministry and witness that we see so pronounced in 66 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: the Old Testament, when people of faith exercise their faith 67 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: and become a witness by walking by marching. We saw 68 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: it first and foremost when the Israelites marched out of 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: Egypt and they got reparations on that way out. We 70 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: saw it also before the Battle of Jericho, when Joshua 71 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: led the Israelites around the walls of Jericho. It's something 72 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: said when you can participate in God's divine plan of 73 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: liberation by showing your testament, it's almost like a military march, 74 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 3: but we're not doing the physical fighting. We're showing by 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: our marching that we are believing that God is doing it. 76 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: So they're also more or less like pilgrimage as well 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: for me, because it's a time for spiritual and renewal 78 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: and repair as I become a public witness to this 79 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: nation on her need to repent and to repair from 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: the worst forms of enslavement and the worst forms of 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: Jim Crow and the worst forms of white supremacy. 82 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 4: That this word is scene. 83 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: So for the listener, you've walked our march thirty three times. 84 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 2: Where was the first march held. 85 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: It was the same spot I start every March from 86 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: Carroll Park in Baltimore, Maryland on it's Route one, but 87 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: it's also Washington Boulevard. And just ironically enough, John Carroll 88 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: Park is named for John Carroll, who was and in 89 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: Slaver And in fact, the park where I started was 90 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: the site of his plantation. 91 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: You know who would have thought, which is. 92 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: Now a public park in Baltimore, Maryland. And I've done 93 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: actually thirty two of these walks from Baltimore to the 94 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: White House. One of my thirty three was from Selma 95 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: to Montgomery, the same route that doctor King took. That's 96 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: actually fifty four miles. Doctor King did it in five days. 97 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: I didn't have enough good since I did it in 98 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: twenty hours, and that almost killed me. The back rolls 99 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 3: of Alabama, I mean pitched. I started at three am 100 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: in the morning. I took a four hour break to 101 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: go speak out a rally in Montgomery, then had to 102 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 3: drive back to where I stopped, and I didn't finish 103 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: till like three the next day. So yeah, that was 104 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: a lot. I started three twenty six am in the morning, 105 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: finished three am the next day. But the other walks, 106 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: the other thirty two have been from Baltimore to the 107 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: White House, and now the last two or three walks 108 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: I've done, I've ended at the Smithsonian to highlight joining 109 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: the call from dear brother Oldest Masster third and trying 110 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: to encourage people to join the Smithsonian, the African American 111 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: Smithsonian also aka Blacksnian, to increase their membership numbers of 112 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: black folks to show the federal government, because I think 113 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: right now their budget is sixty two percent from the 114 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: federal government. We're trying to make which we're trying to 115 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: help alleviate their alliance upon the federal government to increase 116 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: encourage folks to become individual members that range as low 117 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: as twenty five dollars to one thousand dollars. 118 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: That's an easy call to action on this program. Make 119 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: sure y'all join the Black Sonian so we can keep 120 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: hope alive in the museum open without being under threat. 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, so the distance from Carroll Park, 122 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Maryland to the White House is how many. 123 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: Miles forty two nine? 124 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: Can you call this like? 125 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: Basically they're a forty for forty so it's forty miles 126 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: for forty acres. Okay, that's right, Okay, And so when 127 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: you consider now that you're marching essentially out of Baltimore, Maryland, 128 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: which is a power of a power center for black folks, 129 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: for black political power, for everything that you know the 130 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: city has meant to us in our history, and you're 131 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: going into a bastion of white supremacist ideology and fascism. Now, 132 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: of course you started these when Joe Biden was in office, 133 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: but now this is meaning something very different. 134 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: So you're essentially. 135 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: Bringing the spirit of black political power into a place 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: that is now compromised by fascism. How does it feel 137 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: now to be walking under that type of oppressive energy. 138 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: Really, it's totally different. The energy is immensely different. My 139 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 3: first walk on the Trump was literally the Death is inauguration, 140 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: Doctor King's Holiday, he had his inauguration on the same day, 141 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: and going into d C with all these magas, I 142 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: mean maga folks there, it was just it was a 143 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: lot to deal with. 144 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 4: It was a lot to. 145 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: See, and I was it was first I was freezing coal, 146 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: freezing cold on Doctor King's holiday. 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 148 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: And then all the maga folks were there, the Proud boys, 149 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: and I'm the only black man, uh in the sea 150 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: of all these folks. Then my phone battery dies and 151 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: because of the barcase, my escort could not accompany me. 152 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 3: So I heard some of the worst vitriolic language you 153 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: could ever imagine. Well you probably could imagine because you've 154 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: been doing this thing for a while that that I 155 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: could have ever imagined hearing in my life from from 156 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: from from white people. 157 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: And uh, just the whole setup now of DC. 158 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: Like last night, Uh my walk, I was at first 159 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: unable to make it to the fence of the White 160 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: House because the president since everything's been going on, I 161 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: guess in California, Uh, his attack on on immigrants, it's 162 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: all barricaded off like it's his his. 163 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: The White House is completely barricaded off. 164 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: It looks like, you know, we're preparing for a militia 165 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: martial law, and just a vibe and the tone. Uh, 166 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: it's just it's markedly different from when President Biden was 167 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: in office. 168 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: It's just not a good look. 169 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: It looks very much so like a dictatorship or when 170 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: I went when I go to foreign countries and and 171 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: and go to authoritarian places to see how how barricaded 172 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: things are. It's just not what you would expect from 173 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: what's supposed to be the freest country. 174 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: In the world. 175 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and yet we hear we are living in 176 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: this conundrum. I want to ask you to Pastor. I 177 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: know there's got to be some folks who are listening 178 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: for me growing up with my dad who is a marcher, 179 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: especially around Doctor King's Day, which, of course you just referenced, 180 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: five miles was a lot for a little kid. I 181 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: would be like at the end, be like, y'all gonna 182 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: have to put me in the back of this Seattle 183 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: medium van and ride me the rest of the way 184 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: or something got to pick me up. 185 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: My feet hurt. 186 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: So I want to know how you prepare for this 187 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: and monthly at that. So how do you prepare for. 188 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: Doing these doing these marches? 189 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: It really depends on the time of the year. So 190 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: my winter marches are a lot different. They are a lot 191 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: My winter marches are a lot more dangerous because the 192 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: weather here in Baltimore, such as Seattle. 193 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 4: Probably not as cold a Seattle, honestly, but it is. 194 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: It's cold in Baltimore, Maryland in the winter. Oh yes, 195 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: I remember DC. There was a DC day I had 196 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: and it was I got back in my car it 197 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: said eighteen degrees and I said, the devil is a liar. 198 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: It was so cold it was burning, you understand, Like, yeah, 199 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand that type of called. 200 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: I didn't come from that. 201 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 202 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: So when I'm preparing for a winter march which is 203 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: freezing like and I'm from Alabama, if you can't tell 204 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: with my accent, I'm from Tuskey, Alabama. My parents mart 205 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: that of school, and it is really I'm not built 206 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: for this type of coldther at all. 207 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 4: And so my my winter march is. 208 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: I have to make sure that I layer up a lot, 209 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: and I have to make sure that I eat a 210 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 3: lot of food before my walks, because you really need 211 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: to pack on carbs the day before you walk, and 212 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: of course try to rest my legs. But I'm just 213 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: not I'm not built for this. I'm six foot six, 214 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: two hundred pounds, and I'm just my body is not 215 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: built for these walks. 216 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: It's just not. I just these are all labors of love. 217 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: The winter walks, I don't have to eat as much, 218 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: but I have to drink a lot more fluid like. 219 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: I have to summer March. 220 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 3: Yeah something sorry, Yeah, my summer, my summer warm month, 221 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: March is I have to make sure I stay hydrated 222 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: because I've almost fallen out. But the problem is the 223 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: more you drink, obviously it has to come out. So 224 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: when you're drinking a lot of water, you're going to 225 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: stop like every two or three minutes. So my summer walks, 226 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: although the weather is better, I have to stop a 227 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: lot more frequently. Otherwise I just don't drink and then 228 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: become have the risk of being dehydrated. But my winter walks, 229 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: I tell folks, my summer walks are more painful because 230 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: it's hot, you're dizzy, you sweating, and then when you sweat, 231 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: the salt is salt in your sweat. When you wipe 232 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: your sweat from your eyes, the salt literally because you 233 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: do it so much, it cuts your skin. Like my 234 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: skin now is very sensitive and it burns and so 235 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: but when you still sweating, it burns even more. My 236 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 3: winter walks are dangerous because of ice, in black ice, 237 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: and just all people who can't they barely can drive 238 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: in normal conditions, they drive even worse in winter conditions, 239 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: And so just preparing for is more of a mental 240 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: preparation because either both both scenarios, I get exhausted. Both scenarios. 241 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: My body gets worn. The winter walks are worse because 242 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: in some aspects, because my snow boots are not as 243 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: comfortable as my warm weather shoes, like my own clouds, 244 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: my hookas that I wear. I have to actually buy 245 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: snow boots to walk in, which okay, the hiking style, 246 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: but they're not as comfortable as my other. 247 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: You talked about it being dangerous. You got hit, like 248 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: swiped by a car right in the winter runs. 249 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: What happened? How did that happen? 250 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: Actually happened in May my May walk. Yeah, and then 251 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: one of them was my own escorts. That's a whole 252 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: of the conversation. 253 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: He's no longer that does the service, just no texting 254 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: and driving. How did that happen? 255 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: I know, I know, right, But the first one, I 256 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: was hit by a passer buyer who he had to 257 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: make an effort to veer off to hit me because 258 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: I'm on the sidewalk and he was on the highway 259 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: and he drove off across the white line and his 260 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: passenger mirror hit me on the left side of my 261 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: body in my shoulder. Thank god, I am a pretty 262 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: nice sized man. I did not fall, and I mean 263 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: I felt it, but it was more like to me, 264 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: I felt like somebody just pushed me in my shoulder. 265 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: Then nobody's behind me, and it was this card. Thats 266 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: just you know, pushed me pretty hard. But I thankful 267 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: I didn't fall down. I had to my sign and 268 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: the other in my right hand, and he hit me 269 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: on my left shoulder. And I haven't gone to the hospital. 270 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: I don't feel any pain from it, not the moment, 271 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: but I kept walking. I kept walking, And in fact 272 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: that walk was in the honor of John Conya's on 273 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: his birthday May sixteenth. I did it in honor of him. 274 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: And to walk yesterday was an honor of a Philip Randolph. 275 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: I love that. 276 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: So you have these your muses for your walks. You 277 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: talked about your preparation. Now this is the day after 278 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: your walk again, fourteen hundred plus miles so far. 279 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: What do you do to repair? We talked about prepare. 280 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: What do you do to repair? 281 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 4: I don't do that well. 282 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: I was supposed to be resting today, but I'm in 283 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: my office, as you can tell, I'm gonna tell myself 284 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a heat of foot soak because you know, 285 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: blisters and I have you know size fifteen feet and 286 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: cous a lot of service area. None of the athletic 287 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: socks did they sell Other cushion things are big enough 288 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: really for my size feet. I would make a great 289 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 3: spokesperson for some athletic attire because I've tried out of everything. 290 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: But I yeah, really, I'm supposed to keep my legs elevated. 291 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: I have a huge appetite on today, whereas yesterday I 292 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: was on adrenaline. 293 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: Today you feel how human you are. 294 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: Yesterday I'm more or less on a on a mountaintop 295 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: experience because I'm I'm thinking about a Phila Randolph. 296 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about our ancestors. 297 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about you know, those who've gone on before 298 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 3: us and done this work throughout their lives and sacrifice 299 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: that some some sacrifice their lives. So I'm I'm all 300 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: in meditation with them and the world and community with God. 301 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: And today I'm back to being you know, human, fragile Robert, 302 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: and I'm filling every inch of it. And so today 303 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: I tried to take it easy. 304 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: But you know, Hences, indeed you talked about the ancestors. 305 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: What is the like, the motivating message for you from them? 306 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: When you think about the work they did to make 307 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: life a little bit easier for us. 308 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: What is. 309 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: You know, kind of the your core, your core mission 310 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: when you think about reflecting on the ancestors contributions to 311 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: our the betterment of our individual lives. 312 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: For me, it contextualizes it a lot. It encourages me 313 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 3: and also challenged me. It encourages me because it it 314 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: shows that I'm a part. I'm one piece of a 315 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 3: fabric and the continuation of deliberation of our people right 316 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: and at this this fight did not start with me. 317 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: It would be nice, but don't think it'll end with 318 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: me either, But it kind of joins me into this, 319 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: not for turning because it's males and females, but this 320 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: to this fabric of leaders who have worked tirelessly for 321 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: the liberation of our people. So each month I find 322 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: something someone that I look up to, be Afred Hampton, 323 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: be Rosa pars b, Harry Tubman, but of course John 324 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: Conyers and I a phil the Randolph that I can 325 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 3: draw inspiration from and at the time in their life. 326 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: I also try to find people who did things that 327 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: folks thought were impossible, because right now, that's how folks 328 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: a broborations. They feel like it's impossible. So a Phil 329 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: the Randolph, first president of Sleeping car Porters right, also 330 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: push President Roosevelt to integrate and have and to stop 331 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: discriminating against federal contracts and government jobs. So all these folks, 332 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: especially in Maryland area, who have federal jobs, you owe 333 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: a debt to pay to A Phil Randolph integration of 334 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: the military through Herrod Truman. 335 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 4: He fought for that. The chair of. 336 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: The nineteen sixty three March on Washington, where we know 337 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: doctor King, but we don't realize the organizers who put 338 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: that together, who were responsible for the large crowds. Like 339 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: everything this man did, people thought it was impossible. And 340 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: before the march on watch he organized forty thousand plus 341 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: folks to be in the nation's capital arguing in protests 342 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: in nineteen forty three or forty five, and so just 343 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 3: drawing upon their strength, it also humbles me too, because 344 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: these men are these men and women are very high 345 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: renowned and great accomplishment, and it just shows you as 346 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: much as you think you're doing with more information, more technology, 347 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 3: more access. I mean, they organized mars of hundreds of 348 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: thousand people with no Internet, no social media, and folks 349 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: showed up and so it challenged me to see how 350 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: we can do more with more as they did more 351 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: with less. 352 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so true. 353 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that we know 354 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: about our ancestors and their contributions is their collective sacrifice. 355 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: And just recently you committed to that same type of 356 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: sacrifice with this march, this commitment you have to our 357 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: folks to regularly engage. You were going to do this 358 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: on Juneteenth, and you heard that we were doing not 359 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: only the State of the People Power Tour, but that 360 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: we were going to do a national assembly in Baltimore. 361 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: And I reached out to our brother Jamal Bryant and 362 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, we're trying to figure out where 363 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: we're going to do this event, and he was like, 364 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: shut up, Robert Turner, just come talk to me and 365 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: is asking where. 366 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: You guys were going to be. 367 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: And I called you and it wasn't thirty five seconds 368 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: into the conversation before you said we absolutely could hold 369 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: this really important and historic convening at Empowerment Temple AMI Church. 370 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: So I want to know what made you say yes. 371 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: Why is it important for us to all gather as 372 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: a people right now? And what would you say to 373 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: folks who are considering coming to Baltimore June nineteenth through 374 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: the twenty First. 375 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 3: Why did I say yes? First and foremost, who was 376 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: the person gave me the question? Angela RAI, I mean 377 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 3: had to, and because I know you are someone who 378 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: takes our community's issues seriously and really you have committed 379 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: your life to the progress of our people. I don't 380 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: just leand space willingly. I feel like it is in 381 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: great hands. I feel like it is in great hands 382 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: and a great bad you trustee of our leadership. 383 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: And the state the people. It has been very successful. 384 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: In fact, I would once I found out you all 385 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: were coming to Baltimore, I was trying to find a 386 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: way just to register, like, hey, I want to attend, 387 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 3: but I couldn't. I didn't find out where it was, 388 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: and that's when I asked Jamal about it, and of 389 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 3: course you The rest is history. 390 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: But I think it is vitally. 391 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: Important today today, at this moment in time, that we 392 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: as a people don't take any months, weeks, and definitely 393 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: not years off. To my frustration, oftentimes we only speak political. 394 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: I get involved during the election year, and that is 395 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: at the request and to the benefit of elected candidates, 396 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: people who seeking to be elected candidates, Great for them, 397 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 3: but what happened. My biggest frustration has been what are 398 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 3: we doing in the end? Not mid term elections, not 399 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: presidential elections, not even a goodlatorial or mayoral or city 400 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 3: council election, anyminist elections. But what are we doing for 401 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: us to help keep us organized outside of a person's campaign. 402 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: And so when I found out about the State of 403 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: the People convening that you were having throughout the state, 404 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: throughout the country, in different states, I was about I 405 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: was like, about time, you know, this is exactly what 406 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: we need, and it wasn't. It's not sponsored by any 407 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: And I love our politicians. I love all of them, 408 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: I think, well, not all of them. I love the 409 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: ones who are doing work for our people. That's great 410 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: when we have things with them. But I love the 411 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: fact that this is autonomous from any political candidate. Now 412 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: they may come or whatever, but it's autonomous from them. 413 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: But it's really about the people, and especially our people. 414 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 3: And so I'm thrilled. I'm so thrilled. This is like 415 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: the highlight of I know, we're just six most in 416 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: to be hosting it at the impomented we. 417 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: Are so grateful, Pastor. For those of you who are 418 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: at home watching and. 419 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: You have yet to register it, I would say shame 420 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: on you, but I'm gonna spare my judgment and just 421 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: give you the website. We're at STATEOFTHEPPL dot com. You 422 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: can also find our Black Papers Policy Initiative up on 423 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: those site with tons of great resources. We'll have over 424 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: thirty black papers when all is said and done, it 425 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: is going to be a really, really great experience in Baltimore. 426 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: I encourage all his pre homework to watch Nation Time. 427 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: It's a great documentary about the nineteen seventy two National 428 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: Black Political Convention. 429 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: It was created. 430 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: By Reverend Jackson and A Mary Baraka and Charles Diggs 431 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: and many others. And speaking of A Merri Baraka, his 432 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: son Rasbaraka is running in a primary today in New 433 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Jersey for governor. So in New Jersey, make sure you 434 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: get out and vote. And I am still between the 435 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 1: pastor and hit the rest for his blistered feet. So 436 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: we are gonna let you go, Pastor, and I will 437 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: see you. 438 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: I'll see you next week. I will see you next week. 439 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. Thank you so much, y'all. 440 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: This has been a great edition of a podcast. Make 441 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: sure you join Pastor Turner on one of these reparation 442 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: walks at least for a mile or so so he's 443 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: not walking alone, especially when he's doing something for our 444 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: collective advancement. 445 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: Until next time, y'all, let's keep pushing. 446 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: Towards freedom, fighting for what we know we deserve, and 447 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: as always, welcome home. 448 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: See Tobron. 449 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 450 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 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