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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the eighty five South Show. We are

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Speaker 1: here at the BT Awards twenty twenty four, and I'm

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Speaker 1: only talking to the interesting entertaining where renown superstars amongst

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Speaker 1: us today. Man, this is one of the coldest producers

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Speaker 1: that ever come up out of anything that needed to

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Speaker 1: be produced, that made some of the most dirty sound

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Speaker 1: classics from all across the board.

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Speaker 2: And yo, yeah, I main shit. If you ain't never

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Speaker 2: had one from.

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Speaker 3: Polo or don come on now, what's happening was having

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Speaker 3: the home team. What's good? It's under the pleasure to

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Speaker 3: be here.

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Speaker 1: Man, Man, long time coming, Man, you stay visit, bro,

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Speaker 1: you represent the South Show?

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Speaker 3: Well? How you being? Man, I've been great. Man like

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Speaker 3: living life.

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Speaker 4: Man, I actually took the time out, took a little

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Speaker 4: break to enjoy the fruits of my label. Man ain't

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Speaker 4: gonnan lie because I put work in and when I

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Speaker 4: was like really just going super crazy, I didn't do

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Speaker 4: nothing else.

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Speaker 3: I lived at the studio.

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Speaker 4: If you want to see me, you had to come

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Speaker 4: to the studio period Like I would do three days

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Speaker 4: studio straight, go home, sleep one day, and then three

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Speaker 4: more days so it's three on one.

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Speaker 3: So I lived that life for like fifteen years real, damn.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 4: When Kobe passed, you know, he was my favorite basketball player, right,

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Speaker 4: And when Kobe passed, I said, damn, man, he dedicated

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Speaker 4: his whole life to basketball, and he didn't really get

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Speaker 4: to enjoy all the money he made. He really did

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Speaker 4: get to enjoy his daughter's his wife, but so forth

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Speaker 4: and so on. So at that moment, you know, Covid

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Speaker 4: had hit around the same time, so the game stopped

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Speaker 4: for a minute. So this just gave me a chance

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Speaker 4: to start going home. And then I was like, you

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Speaker 4: know what, that's kind of cool. Dang, what's up with

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Speaker 4: my brother?

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Speaker 3: What's old? My sister? My parents?

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Speaker 4: But so I just started living life and so and

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Speaker 4: I felt like music was just in this place and

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Speaker 4: doing his own thing, and I was just always mentor

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Speaker 4: so people called me to get things done, business, fixed beasts, relationships,

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Speaker 4: so forth and so on, or how to get a

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Speaker 4: new artists popping, how to bring an old artist back

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Speaker 4: to relevancy.

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Speaker 3: And then I.

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Speaker 4: Finally met a new generation of artists that like really motivated.

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Speaker 2: Me, and I just was in that generation.

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Speaker 4: Pop Lord, my boy Jacky he going crazy on writing.

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Speaker 4: He just started his own label. So I just did

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Speaker 4: a deal with him to get him his own label

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Speaker 4: deal because he wanted the niggas in the city.

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Speaker 3: That's really like been putting it down forever.

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Speaker 4: And so I just thought, man, you helped so many people,

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Speaker 4: won't you just start your own company? Because he also

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Speaker 4: helped me, like build a lot of things in my

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Speaker 4: companies throughout the years, and so to start his own

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Speaker 4: production company and publishing company.

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Speaker 3: Marini, who I brought here with.

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Speaker 2: Me, she's just been over there chilling on some Southwest Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Shit, yeah you feel me? Yeah, juicy two times. My

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Speaker 3: boy at Jacob.

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Speaker 4: I'm so inspired by him, man, because he's so young

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Speaker 4: and I remember when he.

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Speaker 3: Was sixteen just running around trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like he brings a different sound out

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Speaker 4: of the a he true ahl, but he bring a

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Speaker 4: different sound. So, you know, just people like that, anybody

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Speaker 4: else is trying to build, Like even the Mike Willis

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Speaker 4: who's had a crazy run, who just bought half the block.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, it's going down big.

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Speaker 3: You feel me?

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Speaker 4: So I just man, I'm just so man. I'm just

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Speaker 4: so pro us. They don't make no sense, man, So.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you this.

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Speaker 1: You say, you do three days in the studio, what's

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Speaker 1: your process like at this point fifteen years in the

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Speaker 1: game and you was doing this three days on one

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Speaker 1: day off for the long So what's the process now?

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Speaker 4: Because you said, yeah, it was crazy, I was totally

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Speaker 4: like kind of out of the studio. I just pull

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Speaker 4: up and see what's going on and just like you know,

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Speaker 4: touch things up or change this and the other, like

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Speaker 4: you know, executive produce.

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Speaker 3: And in the last.

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Speaker 4: Couple of months, especially, like I said, the last month,

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Speaker 4: all on the stuffer in my bed twice just because

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Speaker 4: I knew we wanted to come out for BT weekend

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to present her. So we started out

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Speaker 4: by kind of like working out, because I always like

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Speaker 4: to see like what a person made up when we

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Speaker 4: work out, Like when you hit that when you hit

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Speaker 4: that wall, that threshold, I want to see how you respund.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You're gonna stop, You're gonna cry.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: She obviously younger than me, right, so she should be

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Speaker 4: able to put my ass when it come on slim

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Speaker 4: she is. I do be beating you though you let

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Speaker 4: him trick you already know you already know the time

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Speaker 4: my mom could defate you know who won. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just right everything, everything, everything, So so.

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Speaker 3: Guess what, So guess what she coming up talking about?

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Speaker 3: She injured all type of whatever, But you injured?

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Speaker 2: You know what I was. I was really injured because

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Speaker 2: I beat him running up for him.

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Speaker 1: You ain't left that part out because his capt his cap.

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Speaker 2: But my point is, man like, but she got con defeate,

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Speaker 2: A vouch for it.

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Speaker 3: Don't just be vouching defate all his life. So you know, man,

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Speaker 3: you know he got some type of vengeance against me.

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Speaker 2: Man, I could see that.

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Speaker 4: He don't even show up no more. By the way,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. He don't show up nobody.

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Speaker 4: He's too busy. That's the hardest working dude. Just but

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Speaker 4: he got more money he ever had, so I used

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Speaker 4: to take his money. We ain't really have no money,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. You know, but we were

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Speaker 4: both we were both coming up, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying. But now since we

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Speaker 4: got that check, you know what I'm saying, he like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I got family, I got responsibilities.

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Speaker 1: Now you know what I'm saying he ain't telling the

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Speaker 1: truth about nothing. Man, delete all this footage and start over. Man,

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Speaker 1: please do please do put out the truth.

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Speaker 3: Do please, man.

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Speaker 4: Anybody they know they could see. Man, there no times

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Speaker 4: going down like on the dice, on the bowling ping

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Speaker 4: pong with jump shots.

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Speaker 3: Nah.

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Speaker 1: But that just go to show the type of president

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Speaker 1: you are, because you're very diverse when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the music, Bro, do you have a favorite genre.

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Speaker 2: At this point you done crossed over all of them?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, real pop, hip hop, arn country, country.

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Speaker 2: Like, what's what's your ship now? Is it just you

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Speaker 2: know what moment?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's like women, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like.

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Speaker 2: You got some crazy ship.

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Speaker 3: No, it's like when you thought you the most beautiful one.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's going I g Right, when you go

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Speaker 4: through girls or whatever, right, you think you can see

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Speaker 4: them all and all of a sudden you see one.

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Speaker 3: They take you to a whole new world like goddamn,

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Speaker 3: why come from?

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Speaker 4: And it's music the same way as you go through

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Speaker 4: the journey of music, especially when you start to travel,

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Speaker 4: and then if you understand the essays of music, which

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Speaker 4: is soul, which is you know, us, right, you start

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Speaker 4: to be like, damn this shit Spanish, but this shit

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Speaker 4: African too.

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Speaker 1: Man, I just saw some dudes in India that was

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Speaker 1: rapping their ass South. I don't know what they was

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Speaker 1: rapping about, but whatever he was saying, I believe it.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. So it's about that feel, about

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Speaker 4: that connection. And so music for me is the same way.

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Speaker 4: So as a producer, obviously you run across all types

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Speaker 4: of musicians and writers and you know so far and

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Speaker 4: so on, and one day somebody might come in doing country.

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Speaker 4: You be like, man, I don't really a fucko country

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Speaker 4: like that, but that shit hard, you know what, I

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And then he'd be like, man,

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Speaker 4: you got Chip my partner out. You got Chip and

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Speaker 4: parting out. Then you just go into a whole new world,

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Speaker 4: just like when you're on IG with the girls and

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Speaker 4: you go to a whole new world of you know,

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Speaker 4: like talent and people who do things that you don't do.

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Speaker 4: But as a fan of music, you know, it just

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Speaker 4: pushed you in, you know, and you just don't be

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Speaker 4: a hater and you can man wealthy for.

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Speaker 2: Real, to me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of young producers run up to

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Speaker 1: you and hang you hard drafts and shit, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you're still getting CDs at this point, you know that, Like,

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Speaker 1: but you you one of them ones. Is like when

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Speaker 1: when a young producer plays you some of his music,

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Speaker 1: does it necessarily have to be a hit right then?

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Speaker 2: Or can you here like this ain't the best shit,

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Speaker 2: but you got something?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Almost everything that was super dope in my career

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Speaker 3: started out that way. You know what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 3: would say like that probably is my gift, just like.

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Speaker 4: Not being a hater of being open, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like I got billionaire friends and crackhead friends.

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Speaker 4: Now straight up I got homeless partners. You know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. I got Bill and their partners. And once

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Speaker 4: you realize that we are more the same than we are,

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Speaker 4: you know different.

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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like what music.

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Speaker 4: When you make something special, it brings all different types

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Speaker 4: of people together. So guess what think about Even somebody

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Speaker 4: like little Baby right before that would have never been

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Speaker 4: considered to be something different than only than a local sound, right,

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Speaker 4: but then he blew up globally, you feel what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: and nobody started that company coming, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So I just feel like if it got feel to it,

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Speaker 4: it got connection. And that's why I always try to

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Speaker 4: teach new artists. Man, let me hear your story. Forget

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Speaker 4: everything you heard, forget everything you like you inspired by

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Speaker 4: that's great, let me just see where you're coming from.

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Speaker 3: Because you what you have is something nobody else has.

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Speaker 4: And if you could tap into that and then we

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Speaker 4: can put that on a platform a wide spectrum, then

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Speaker 4: we got something special.

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Speaker 3: They got to come to you to get that.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like a lot of the young producers

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Speaker 1: be more chasing the heads than.

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Speaker 4: Of course because you know, because ultimately, like you know,

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Speaker 4: there's money involved, right, so when we all trying to

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Speaker 4: change our lives and come out of a place of desperation.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think the ones who are truly remembered

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Speaker 3: are the ones who really like.

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Speaker 4: Approach it like it took the art series, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And that goes with anything, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think that's where it separates Michael Jordan from anybody

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Speaker 4: like Michael Joydan and give an interview at fifty five

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Speaker 4: years old, and he's break down in tears about the game.

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Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, because the game is sacred

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Speaker 3: To do, so I and guess what ed five South man?

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Speaker 4: Y'all so hard man appreciate it, man, I really respect

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Speaker 4: College Park, Man, pull up, We're gonna put your record

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Speaker 4: So, man, when I was in tenth grade, they would

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Speaker 4: Shaka was like, I want that record. I want that record,

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Speaker 3: So we we actually tailored tailored that record. We put

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Speaker 4: You know, everything was intentional because Lula just wanted to

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm a true product of

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Speaker 2: I got your publicist later over there, going crazy.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: We can literally sit here and do this all day.

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Speaker 1: When you come today to Fast Sam Show, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have my list of all your hits and we going back,

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Speaker 1: we going we breaking them all the way down.

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Speaker 2: Men, what kind of high hat is that? All that?

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Speaker 3: Let's get it.

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Speaker 2: I might just have to start pulling up to the studio.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely a fan of what you do and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you giving me a few minutes. Say your time

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Speaker 1: to stop here. BT Awards twenty twenty four. Man, already done.

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Speaker 1: Please continue to do what you do and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be looking for some ship. When you get off injury,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be taking some shit from you.

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Speaker 2: Fully recover now absolutely.

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Speaker 1: BT Awards twenty twenty four, eighty five South show Standing

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Speaker 1: on Culture with Polo to Done Yes, Sir