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Speaker 2: two hundred and twelve of Hurdle, a whileness focused podcast.

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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts

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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

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Speaker 2: I am chatting with Kaisa Karenin.

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I've been following Kaisa for

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Speaker 1: I did know it was a group of like thirty

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Speaker 1: to four year old women, and I just wanted them

442
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Speaker 1: to have fun with movement, Like I've always had that

443
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Speaker 1: in me that I just want people to have a fun,

444
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Speaker 1: good experience. And so somehow we made it through and

445
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: they had a good time. And I ran that boot

446
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: camp at Green Lake for Pro for months for a

447
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: long time until I decided to commit to an actual

448
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: gym and be a trainer.

449
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Speaker 3: Wow.

450
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you commit to being an actual trainer at

451
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Speaker 2: a gym, and how do you feel about some of

452
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 2: the rigidity that came with that.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean, looking back, it's all one big it's like

454
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Speaker 3: all hilarious.

455
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Speaker 1: So I became a trainer at a gym and I

456
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: was so excited to help encourage people to move, and

457
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: time and time again, every single client that came in

458
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Speaker 1: for a consultation was.

459
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Speaker 3: Here to lose weight.

460
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Speaker 1: And so I was like, oh, wow, Okay, I guess

461
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm not the trainer for you, but you can go

462
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: train with them or train with them, and I'm like

463
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: waiting for the client that comes through and is like

464
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to learn how like you know, be

465
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Speaker 1: a better version of myself or learn how to squad

466
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Speaker 1: and do push ups. Well, months and months go by

467
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: and I have no clients, so I had to have

468
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: like a reevaluation of there are so many people. The

469
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: majority of people that come into movement is because they

470
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Speaker 1: want to change the way that they look, and if

471
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Speaker 1: I discourage that or don't meet them where they're at,

472
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: then I'm not doing my part. And so I decided

473
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Speaker 1: to not okay and not co sign the message that

474
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: they were initially coming in with, but just not discourage it.

475
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Speaker 1: So I started to pull clients in. I started to

476
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: create really really fun and encouraging programs for them to do,

477
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Speaker 1: and I would allow them to tell their own stories,

478
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Speaker 1: but I would never co sign it. And then six

479
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: years later I had formatted and created my own business

480
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: all around performance training, and it was mainly middle aged

481
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Speaker 1: women and it was incredible.

482
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Speaker 2: So, like ten years ago, women in performance training, like

483
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Speaker 2: ten years ago is like kind of the beginning of

484
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Speaker 2: the middle of the CrossFit phase. It's like, there aren't

485
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: a ton of women that we're seeing in conventional media

486
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Speaker 2: that are doing explosive movements, that are lifting barbells, that

487
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So you were really a little bit

488
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Speaker 2: ahead of feeling as though like this is like something

489
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Speaker 2: that we all need.

490
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Speaker 3: To be doing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And thank you for saying that, because I do

492
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Speaker 1: think it's important to note. And this was even before CrossFit,

493
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: because there was no social media. Crossbit was around, but

494
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't blown up the way that it's

495
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: very different. Yeah, and they're the only thing that I

496
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: saw was Jillian Michaels on The Biggest Loser because the

497
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: only platform for fitness and movement was TV and that

498
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: was the only show. And so and I just knew

499
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: absolutely no, not to Jillian because she has done her thing,

500
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: but I just knew that wasn't That wasn't my message,

501
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: and that wasn't what I wanted to do, and that

502
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: wasn't how I wanted to encourage people to move. And

503
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: because I had always had an experience of being proud

504
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: of what my body was physically doing as an athlete,

505
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to start bringing that to other people, and

506
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: really to women. I just I loved training women and

507
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: having them come in and think that they were not

508
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: capable of doing anything in their body, and then starting

509
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: to train and starting to get them to squad and

510
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: lift weight and do a push up, and you know,

511
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: like it was just the most incredible experience to witness

512
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: them start to just really appreciate their body and become

513
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: empowered in their body.

514
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Speaker 2: So when then do you make a little bit of

515
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: the transition over to putting some of your programming and

516
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: getting more involved in social media.

517
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Speaker 3: Well, so I took a little detour. So I was

518
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Speaker 3: running my own business.

519
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: I was having a great time, but my depression came

520
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: in again, like really intensely. I was overworked. So from

521
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: the outside like very successful, but I was overworked. I

522
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: was extremely tired, and I had no energy to do

523
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: anything except for to get to the training sessions. And

524
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: so at that time, I thought like, Okay, I still

525
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: want to be in this world, but maybe this isn't

526
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: the spark that I want.

527
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm missing something.

528
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: And so that's when I went back to school and

529
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: decided to get my master's in sports performance because I thought, Okay,

530
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: the thing that's gonna, you know, bring you back to

531
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: life is going to be training athletes. Day one of

532
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: my internship, so I had to quit. I put my

533
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: entire business on hold to go back into an unpaid

534
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: internship and to take out a loan for like sixty

535
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: or seventy grand to go back to my master's program.

536
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 1: Day one in the internship, I'm like, oh shit, like

537
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: what did I just do? I don't think this is

538
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: the right thing. So slowly, over time I had an

539
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: incredible experience, because not every choice in life takes you

540
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: to the next perfect step. I think sometimes a backward

541
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: step is also an actual forward step, and so I

542
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: just recognized, like it showed me so much, how it

543
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: showed me how much I loved training general population, and

544
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: how much I loved training all the women that I

545
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: was training, and how much I loved encouraging them to

546
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: start moving.

547
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: And so it solidified that.

548
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: But I went through the whole program, got my master's

549
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: in sports performance, and then social media started coming around

550
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: at the time, and a friend wanted to be on

551
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: the cover of a magazine and we were already training together,

552
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, you start creating content with me,

553
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: and so.

554
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: We did you make it sound like so effortless. It's like,

555
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: so we did at the beginning, knowing your background, and

556
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: you articulated it this way of perfectionism. How did you

557
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: feel about creating content from the get go awful.

558
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: I did not want I was I didn't want to

559
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: be on social media. I didn't want people to see me.

560
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I liked to live my life behind the curtains. I

561
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: wanted nothing to do with it because I didn't I

562
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: think because I couldn't vocalize at the time. But the

563
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: fear of judgment and criticism was I was putting myself

564
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: on display for that. But my friend at the time

565
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: wanted the cover of a magazine so bad, and I

566
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, if this is what you want, Like,

567
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: if this is what you want to do, I will

568
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: show up and I will do this for you. In

569
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I've also always loved business,

570
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: so when we started creating content really quickly, I was

571
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: seeing like, okay, one, this is the way that you

572
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: speak to the masses. Because when we were on Instagram,

573
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't big, it wasn't like this huge thing. We

574
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: were before the wave of Instagram. But I could see

575
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: right away that it wasn't just our friends and family

576
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: that were paying attention to what we're doing, Like this

577
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: was starting to grow and months in we had people

578
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: all around the world seeing what we were doing and

579
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: repeating our workouts, and so for me, I was like, oh, okay,

580
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: one my mission of getting the world to move, this

581
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a huge factor in it. And

582
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: then two, like, this is becoming business. We were getting

583
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: approached by companies and that's when my light bulbs kind

584
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: of turned on. So and that's when I started having

585
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: really a lot of fun with it.

586
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: So, when you start to get approached by companies, what

587
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: did those conversations look like and where did you get

588
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: you articulated being really interested in the business side of things,

589
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: But did you have anyone that was a mentor for

590
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: you when it came to figuring out how to go

591
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: about establishing these relationships price costing, quoting, prices and whatever

592
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: comes with that.

593
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: No, And this is where I love talking to like

594
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: influencers now or people in this world now. I'm like,

595
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: it was literally a shot in the dark for every

596
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: single thing that we were doing. But it was a

597
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: shot in the dark for me, and it was a

598
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: shot in the dark for the companies as well. Because

599
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: social media was so new, nobody really knew how to

600
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: regulate anything, nobody knew what to charge for things, and

601
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: that ended up being a short lived So my friend

602
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: and I had started Two Bad Bodies that ended up

603
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: being short lived because she didn't really want it to

604
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: explode the way that it was, and I was loving it.

605
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: So we went our separate ways, and then I got

606
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: the taste of being able to do something and really

607
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: encourage the world to move and turn it possibly into

608
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: a business, and so the rest is history for me.

609
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: That's when kaisa fit started on social media and it

610
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: has been a roller coaster ride. It's really testing a

611
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: lot and seeing what works and figuring out what your

612
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: worth is. I have a good friend who's in the

613
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: business as well, and so he's helped me a lot

614
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: on you know what he charges for things, So it

615
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: was like we grew up together in this, but there

616
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: was there were no rules, there was no guidelines, there

617
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: was no you know, handbook to follow.

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Speaker 3: What would you say was the biggest challenge at first?

646
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Speaker 1: I mean, so many challenges. One the biggest misnomer is

647
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: that it worked right away. I put my entire business

648
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: in life on hold for a year and a half.

649
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I created my own content every single day, So I

650
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: was working like eighty plus hours a week unpaid because

651
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: when we went our separate ways, I didn't have a

652
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: big enough platform for anybody to want to care or

653
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: pay me anything.

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00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: But I had a vision and a goal. I edited

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Speaker 3: my own content.

656
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I created all of it, and that was all unpaid,

657
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: And that was all like not a lot of eyes

658
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: were on me. I go back and I look, and

659
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I was so motivated, and like three people saw the video.

660
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: But like, so that was for me. My goal was

661
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Speaker 1: never to have the biggest following in the world. My

662
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: goal was always to be able to have a platform

663
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: that my message could reach more people. And because I

664
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: was so anchored to that, I was so motivated.

665
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: For so long.

666
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: When I got none of the reward, nothing was coming

667
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: back to me. I was just still out there every

668
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: single day asking people favors, like can you film this

669
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: for me?

670
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: Real quick? Like it was a hustle and it was

671
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: a grind. It was not glorious.

672
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: How did you get over the hurdle of becoming the

673
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: person in front of the camera. I would imagine this

674
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: also relating to this idea of having so many eyes

675
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: on you on social media these days, especially with over

676
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: a million followers, how have you dealt with maybe unsolicited

677
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: feedback or the just pressures that.

678
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: Can go with people having an opinion on your body.

679
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: So I'm going to take you back a little bit.

680
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I think my entire life, I knew I had depression anxiety,

681
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: but it was not labeled, and so I had tactics

682
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: and skills to deal with things. Growing up, I was

683
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: known as a bitch just because I created a shell

684
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: that I wanted no one to approach me. I wanted

685
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: no one to talk to me. I wanted to just

686
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: go about and do my own thing because it was

687
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: so much anxiety about how I would show up, how

688
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: they would judge me, what would I say? And so

689
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: I literally like, that's what I was known for in

690
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: high school and in college, and so taking that in

691
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: a positive spin to it, when I went on social media,

692
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: I created an alter ego.

693
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: So kaisafit is my alter ego. It's like my Sosha fears.

694
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: And so she was something that I could like stand

695
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: behind and she was like the best.

696
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: She still today is the best version of myself.

697
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: I try to live up to be kais of fit

698
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: in all of my life, but she is the best

699
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: version of myself. So I think for me, I started

700
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: to learn ways to cope with how I was going

701
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: to handle all the pressure. But I was not going

702
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: to allow it to hold me back. And that is

703
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: one thing I'm always so proud of, and so I

704
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: knew I had to have tools in my belt to

705
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: like be able to work through this. And it was

706
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: definitely it was creating the ulter ego. And I didn't

707
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: realize that until recently when I've started to do a

708
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: lot more deep diving work into myself. But yeah, it's

709
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: been the alter ego and she's been there this whole time.

710
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: I feel like someone listening to this, here's the deep

711
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: dive work into myself and wants to know more about that.

712
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: Can you talk about that a little? Yeah.

713
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: The deep I mean deep dive work for me is therapy.

714
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: We all went through a difficult time during the pandemic.

715
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: I went through a very difficult time both family, life, business,

716
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: all of the things. And I kind of just came

717
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: out of that in January of this year and just

718
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: recognize like I know now when I start to spiral,

719
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I've done enough work to start to realize, like things

720
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: are getting dark and they can get really dark, and

721
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: before they get really dark, you got to start pulling

722
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: yourself out and having the tools to do that.

723
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: And so the deep dive has.

724
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Been in more therapy and more regular therapy every single

725
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: week and really working on that, and also just very

726
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: intentional movement and being in a space where I feel

727
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: very taken care of right now now. The place that

728
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: my coach and the place that I move is amazing

729
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: and has been life changing for.

730
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: Me during the pandemic.

731
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: Reflecting on how difficult it's been, you mentioned having a

732
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: hard time talk to us about where you were with

733
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: your business at the beginning of twenty twenty.

734
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: So the beginning of twenty twenty, just Move actually wasn't

735
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: even created. It was still the vision, but we were

736
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: selling single products of me in hopes to kind of

737
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: like be able to put my products out there and

738
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: have people interested in what I was doing before we

739
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: went to a full platform. And then twenty twenty happened

740
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: and everybody wanted to work out at home, and we

741
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: were perfectly set up for that to happen, and so

742
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: for the next two years, I was experiencing life very

743
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: different than my family and my friends and most of

744
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: the world around me because I had never been busier,

745
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: and so it was such a disconnect.

746
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: I had never been busier. Nobody could relate.

747
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I had never been busier, So I'd never been more

748
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: unhealthy because I had no time to take care of myself.

749
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: And so just this massive separation of my body and

750
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: myself started to happen. And it wasn't until late late

751
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: last year. It wasn't until I got COVID in December

752
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: of this past year that things had to stop and

753
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: I had to be like I am so I am

754
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: in a dark place like this, I am not healthy.

755
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: This is not good.

756
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: And if I don't recognize that, I'm in a place

757
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: that can go deeper. Right now, like this is going

758
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: to get bad and I have to make some adjustments.

759
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: And so that's when I started making some adjustments, and

760
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: we're coming out of it. We're coming out of it.

761
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: What did not healthy look like for you? Absolutely no

762
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: energy to do anything. I'm very extreme in general, but

763
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: when I have no energy and no motivation to even move,

764
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: then I know that things are going not so well.

765
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: But because I am moving twenty four to seven, It's

766
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: like you could have seen this happening a mile away,

767
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You could have seen this

768
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: all happening, And it wasn't until COVID where I wasn't

769
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: allowed out of my house so I wasn't allowed any

770
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: distractions and I had to sit there with myself. And

771
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: you could say I didn't have energy because of COVID,

772
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: but I didn't have energy before that to do anything.

773
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: And also there's a lot of pressure on social media.

774
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to show up for people as the best

775
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: version of myself every single day. If I'm putting content

776
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: out there, I want that content to be uplifting, and

777
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I had no energy to put content out and I

778
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: think all of it started to be massive red flags

779
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: for me.

780
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as someone who feels so passionate and is

781
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: such an authentic human, I would imagine that that felt

782
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: really frustrating and challenging to feel as though you can't.

783
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: Show up so icky. It felt it felt false, It

784
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: felt so fake. And I feel like I've prided myself

785
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: over the course of being on social being just real

786
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: and just showing up as myself and so yeah, it

787
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: felt it felt like I needed to have like a

788
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: come to Jesus moment with myself and with the team

789
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: on Social and just be like, here's really where I'm at,

790
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: and we're gonna work through this together.

791
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: You're gonna watch my journey. You know.

792
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: People have an expectation of how I am and think

793
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: that that's just like so easy for me to show

794
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: up every single day, work my ass off with a smile,

795
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: and it's so it's important to start getting real.

796
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: Oh so, you're so much more relatable when you're real.

797
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: That's the other thing. I'm like. That was what started

798
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: to get so frustrated with me.

799
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, how are you showing up every single day

800
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: with a fake smile and trying to act like everything's

801
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: okay when the rest of the world is also probably

802
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: dealing with shit, Like, show up real, Kaisa, tell them

803
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: that you're.

804
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: Dealing with shit.

805
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: Tell them that shit's hard right now, Like, be real,

806
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: how did that go for you?

807
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: Great?

808
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean the team on Social I have the best

809
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: community on Social. People are incredible, Like that's the thing

810
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: I always am, Like, my mind is blown by how

811
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: supportive the team on Social is. They are the reason

812
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: why I've gotten through so many things in my life

813
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: and they will never know, but like they are always

814
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: so powerful and so supportive and I wouldn't be here

815
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: without them.

816
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you give us some insight as to how

817
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: that conversation went and maybe what's some of the feed.

818
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just the conversation. I think it

819
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: has started throughout the pandemic. I started talking about self love.

820
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: I thought, I started talking about going through a hard time,

821
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: and I started opening up a bit more. And for me,

822
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: it's I'm connecting in the way that they're commenting or

823
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: direct messaging me, and so that's how I'm connecting, and

824
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: that's how I'm seeing and I'm just answering back and

825
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking to people. And that's when I really started

826
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: to realize, like people need to hear this message because

827
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: they're we're all going through this together.

828
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: We're all going through this.

829
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: And when somebody can out loud say this is where

830
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm at and you can connect with them, you then

831
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: feel connected. You don't feel like you're on your own,

832
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: like isolated on an island. And so I think for me,

833
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I realized like I felt alone a lot. I know

834
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: this might sound crazy, but I feel I felt so

835
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: much more connected to people even though it was through

836
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: a screen, even though it was through Instagram, and that

837
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: started to help me pull out as well.

838
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: I love that. I love to hear that.

839
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally co sign this idea that like perfection

840
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: isn't relatable, vulnerability is relatable. So getting to this place

841
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: where we step down and like sometimes it can get

842
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: easy to like put this front on because it's easier

843
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: than confronting how you really feel.

844
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's for me, the thing is I

845
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: have to go back and be okay with it all

846
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: because I wasn't ready. I wasn't in a space to

847
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: be able to actually deal with you know, how dark

848
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: things were what I was going through, And so I

849
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: know now I just have a little grace for myself

850
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: and you go through it when you're ready to go

851
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: through it. But it's a reminder to me to always

852
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: be as open and honest as I'm comfortable being. And

853
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: the team has always been there to support and friends

854
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: and family are always there to support as well.

855
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: So as you're going through these health struggles of sorts,

856
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: what's your relationship.

857
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: Like with your diet? So my relationship with my diet.

858
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: I always say like I don't care, I'll eat whatever,

859
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: whatever is in front of my face, I'll eat. But

860
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: during the pandemic one, I don't really enjoy cooking. And

861
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, when I was so busy, I was

862
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: eating out like uber eating uber eating every single day,

863
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: sometimes twice a day, which no matter what you're getting,

864
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: like it's that's just not a healthy way to eat.

865
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: And so that was really difficult. My body didn't feel

866
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: good with all of that. And then also I like

867
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: to escape. I like to drink, and I like to party,

868
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: and when things are getting really rough, like that's also

869
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: something I turned to. So for me, it's like I

870
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: know when my behavior starts to change in this way,

871
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: I know what's coming. It just takes a lot for

872
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: me to then have a moment to pause and reflect

873
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: and look at it.

874
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: But I know all the trickling effects of everything.

875
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: So one thing for me that when I start to

876
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: spiral that way, like alcohol, like I start to just

877
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: try to remove one thing. Alcohol is an easy thing

878
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: for me to remove and to start looking at things clearly.

879
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: I started having somebody help me with food, so I

880
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: have food in my fridge, so I'm not uber eating. Like,

881
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: it's just tools that I have in my tool belt,

882
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: and they're different for everybody, but it's just things that

883
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I can go to to help kind of like pull

884
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: me out of where I'm headed.

885
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that like hurtle moment, that turnaround point that

886
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: you turn can be really debilidating.

887
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and and it takes me a long time

888
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: to get there. I will know in my mind, like

889
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: I will be like, oh, oh oh, we're spiraling right now,

890
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: Like we are spiraling, this is this isn't going good.

891
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: It could be a year like I knew I was spiraling.

892
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: It takes a long time to get to the point

893
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: where like something is either the final straw or there's

894
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: enough thing's going on. A lot of times it's my

895
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: body feels something, so I'm like in pain or I'm tired,

896
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't have and I like get sick of that feeling.

897
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of those like kind of bottom

898
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: moments for me that start to realize I got to

899
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: change something.

900
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: Also change one thing. That's what I've learned over the years.

901
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Do not change everything, change one thing and start to

902
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: see how like pay attention to how that starts to

903
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: either give you more energy or creates a rippling effect

904
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: of things. Alcohol for some reason, like because it's such

905
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: a go to that was an easy thing for me.

906
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: But it's also kind of protecting my space, not going

907
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: out as much, staying home more and just trying to

908
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: work through some things on my own.

909
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as you mentioned, the idea of the toolkit

910
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: is really really important when you reflect on your current toolkit,

911
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: what's in there to help you show up regularly, whether

912
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: it's journaling or like even specific products.

913
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: Where would you.

914
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: Get My toolkit right now is movement, which is my

915
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: coach and going to that space. And I have a

916
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: coach because I know that there's a lot of pressure

917
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: around creating my own programming, and then also accountability. My

918
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: life is very very busy, and it's really easy to

919
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: not show up for myself. It's really easy to put

920
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: myself last. And so I have a coach because I

921
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: am accountable to him and I will show up for him.

922
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: I have therapy, Like I said, that's been huge for

923
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: me the past four months. I've had therapy throughout my

924
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: entire life, but for the past four months that's been

925
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: a game changer nutrition for me. I have someone helping

926
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: make me food, which is huge.

927
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: Sleep.

928
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: Like, there's a lot of easy things that we can

929
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: do tools that don't require you know, money, sleep, hydration.

930
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: So it's like, I really just try to focus on

931
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: the daily things, the simple things that I can do.

932
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: I am trying to work on sitting still a little

933
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: bit more. But I'm not a meditator. I think I

934
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: meditate through movement. I'm not a calm person. So that

935
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: doesn't that's not going over so well, not going over

936
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: so well.

937
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: Wow.

938
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So a lot of really basic things in the toolkit,

939
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: and to your point earlier, one thing at a time.

940
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: If all of these things sound like they could be

941
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: beneficial for you, the listener and spoiler alert, they are,

942
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: there's no need to implement them all at once.

943
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: So if you want to get better with your sleep,

944
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: start there before.

945
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: You also pick up your journal, pick up a movement practice,

946
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 2: think about what's in your fridge, break things up into

947
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: little doables so that they don't feel completely overwhelming.

948
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's huge because you can tend

949
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: to make like somebody could make up a whole story

950
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: about like I've got it all perfectly and I'm doing

951
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: it right.

952
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: Like because you could see that from outside world, not

953
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: at all. I'm working on one thing at a time.

954
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Once I get that one thing and it's going well,

955
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to add one more thing. Like for minor

956
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: little example supplementation, I've been knowing I need to add

957
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: a few more things, but it's overwhelming. It has been

958
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: to look at all the supplements. But now that I

959
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: have my food, now that I have my sleep, now

960
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: that I have my movement, the past few months, I've

961
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: been like, I can add my supplementation. That's something I

962
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: can handle right now. So it's really just about knowing yourself,

963
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: knowing what you can do. My first step is always

964
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: into movement, but that might not be your first step,

965
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: Like maybe it is sleep, maybe it's better nutrition or

966
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: proper hydration. Like just find something that's doable for you

967
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: and not overwhelming. What does supplementation look like for you

968
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: these days?

969
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 3: Oh it's a lot.

970
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: But I'm working with thorn supplements and like I'm always

971
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: have been so hesitant about supplements because I just it's

972
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: very gimmicky and I'm just not about that. And I

973
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: think you can get a lot of your nutrients from

974
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: your food. But thirty six. I want to stay moving

975
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: and feeling good forever, and Thorn has just continuously come

976
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: highly recommended. So I've been working with them now for

977
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: the past four months on supplementation and I can't give

978
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: them all the credit because I think it's a handful

979
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: of things, but I feel phenomenal and it's made a

980
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: huge difference. But I've also you know, added more movement,

981
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: better nutrition and hydration, all the things, but supplementation has

982
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: been at the top of the list in.

983
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: Terms of like what types of supplement are supplements are

984
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: you taking? Are you taking like a multivitamin, are you

985
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: taking fish oil?

986
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: Like what are we leaving?

987
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: So I'm taking a lot And because it's overwhelming, I

988
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: actually created a page on my website to have the

989
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: top five that are recommended from their brilliant team, and

990
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: so we have them like I have their recovery protein,

991
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: their catallite which is their electrolytes, their multi vitamin, their

992
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: amino complex, and they're creating are the top five if

993
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: you are a big mover, and then from there it's

994
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: all going to be suggested out. But because supplements are like,

995
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so debilitating, Like am I supposed

996
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: to take a million things.

997
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: No, you don't have to start there at all. Right,

998
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: And I see you sitting there with a C four can.

999
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: What's the deal with the C four I feel like

1000
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: I've been seeing a lot about it on social.

1001
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: I know everyone's like, how do you get through your workouts?

1002
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: And I'm like, my C four Energy, I just am

1003
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: somebody like I have the brand C four in general.

1004
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: They are so fun to work with and their product

1005
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I've been using for years and so it's like a

1006
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: perfect partnership for me. And they're just a really fun brand,

1007
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: Like we meet energy to energy and their products are awesome.

1008
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Obviously I love them. You'll see them in all my

1009
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: videos and so I've gotten the whole team on our

1010
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: C four Energy. But you know, we're trying to do

1011
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot in life and I need some energy to

1012
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: carry me through.

1013
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: I was like, I just need to comment on this can.

1014
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: Now I'm seeing you sip as we sit here. You're like,

1015
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: this is actually my secret super power drink that helps

1016
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: me get through everything everything I have going on. So,

1017
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: like we said, pandemic was a hard time, lots of

1018
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: challenges coming out of it. Now, when you think about

1019
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: what excites you for you and your business at this point,

1020
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: where are you going?

1021
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: What's on deck?

1022
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that excites me is getting

1023
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: the world to move and getting more people into movement

1024
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: every single day.

1025
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: That's always been the thing that's excited me.

1026
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: It's always been the thing that's gotten me out of

1027
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: bed every single morning.

1028
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: It's also for me really.

1029
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: Recognizing that in as an industry as a whole, we

1030
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: don't help encourage people to start their movement journey. And

1031
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: so that's really what I'm focusing on as well, is

1032
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: helping people understand you have a body, you are a mover.

1033
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: And I think in general, the fitness industry tends to

1034
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: focus on people that are already moving, and I love

1035
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: focusing on those people, but I really want people who

1036
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: have never moved before, who are possibly in pain, who

1037
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I want them to have

1038
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: a place to go to. And that is what we're

1039
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: trying to build with Just Move and my start Moving level.

1040
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: I want to.

1041
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: Ask you on like a woman to woman level female

1042
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: entrepreneur level, I to can sympathize and relate to this

1043
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: idea of putting myself last, it gets.

1044
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: To be really easy.

1045
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: How do you find the time or make the time

1046
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: to give back to you, and what do you feel

1047
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: like maybe something that you've sacrificed when it comes to

1048
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: building your brand.

1049
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to start with the sacrifice. I've sacrificed everything.

1050
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: I think this is the thing where when people from

1051
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: the outside world and you can tell yourself your own

1052
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: stories and they maybe look at what I do and

1053
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: think that they want that. I've given up almost everything

1054
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: in my life to be here, like relationships. So you know,

1055
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: my siblings are all married and there's children and everything

1056
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: going on, and then they look at my life and

1057
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, my business is my baby.

1058
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: It has been my entire life.

1059
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: I work twenty four to seven, so you know, my

1060
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: friend group is very small. I get to travel a

1061
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't do a ton of crazy

1062
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: things just for pleasure, even though I love what I do,

1063
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: So that is what brings me a lot of joy.

1064
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: But I've sacrificed.

1065
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: I would say everything, everything to be at this point,

1066
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: and I would do it again.

1067
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: It's not a negative. I would do it again.

1068
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: I would do it over and over and over again

1069
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: because I absolutely love what I do and I love

1070
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: the challenge of trying to get more and more people

1071
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: into movement, and I love what it means when people

1072
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: start their movement journey and how much that transforms their lives,

1073
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: and I'm motivated by that every single day. I think

1074
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: in terms of prioritizing myself again, it goes back to

1075
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: I hired a coach because I know that I will

1076
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: be accountable to him. I think when it's prioritizing yourself,

1077
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: you have to be very realistic with yourself.

1078
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: You have to know yourself.

1079
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: I will not make time for myself unless it's on

1080
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: the calendar and I'm accountable to somebody because at the

1081
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: end of the day, every damsels to end my day

1082
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: with a ten minute don't do anything, just breathe for

1083
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: my therapist, and I don't do it because she's not

1084
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: here leading me through it. And so like, now I

1085
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: know myself and rather than beating myself up, I'm like,

1086
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: I have now scheduled and a point with her every

1087
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: single week. I have my trainer every single week, I

1088
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: have somebody helping with nutrition. So I just do what

1089
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: I set myself up for success. I do what works

1090
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: for me, and I try not to judge it and

1091
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: I try not to analyze it, and I just know

1092
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: what works for me, and I stay moving with that.

1093
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: For someone listening to this who resonates with your message

1094
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: of the importance of just beginning, of just starting, they

1095
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: may feel a little intimidated on it, but they really

1096
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: do want to give it a whole hearted go. What

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00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: advice do you offer to that.

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00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: I I first want to say, you go, and you

1099
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: got this, and it is just about getting started. The

1100
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: number one thing I say is, even though you want

1101
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: to start your movement journey, not every single day do

1102
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: you have to move. But what you have to do

1103
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: is carve out two minutes three minutes every single day

1104
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: to just take a minute. You can be sitting in

1105
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: your chair, you could be stretching, you can be breathing,

1106
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: but you have to start forming the habit and then

1107
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: from there the habit will grow. And when you are

1108
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: ready for that habit to grow, go to start moving

1109
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: dot com because I've got.

1110
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: You covered like I am here for you.

1111
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: And the number one thing with moving is most of

1112
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: the time people who are not moving a lot are

1113
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: in pain. And the misnomer here is that if you

1114
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: start moving, you're gonna be in more pain.

1115
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: But it's exact opposite.

1116
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: You're probably in a lot of pain because your joints

1117
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: are not moving, and so we're gonna start moving very gently.

1118
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: Most of our workouts start actually in a chair, so

1119
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: I've got you covered, and then from there you're gonna

1120
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: build up your strength and you're gonna be really empowered

1121
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: and what your body can do, and the rest is history.

1122
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: You can do anything you want. Who empowers you aside

1123
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: from your community.

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00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's the team. It's the team

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00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: on social media. I get so much energy from that team,

1126
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: and I'm so motivated to continue to show up for them.

1127
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm so motivated to be my best version, the best

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00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: version of myself for them.

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00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: So it's one hundred percent of the team hand in

1130
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: hand with building your business.

1131
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people you turn to every

1132
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: now and again for advice. If you have to reflect

1133
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: on the best advice that you've been offered as an entrepreneur,

1134
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: what comes to mind.

1135
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: I think the best advice I've gotten is there's no

1136
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: right way. So for me, as a perfectionist, I'm constantly thinking.

1137
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm constantly thinking I'm dumb. I don't have the answers

1138
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: I can't do this. What am I doing? How did

1139
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: I get here? I shouldn't be here? And the best

1140
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: advice that I keep getting from somebody that's very important

1141
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: to me is there's absolutely no right way. You're here

1142
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: for a reason. You've gotten this far. There's more to go,

1143
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: and you're doing it right. Like, look back and reflect.

1144
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: Don't keep looking forward all the time. Look back and

1145
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: reflect at what you've achieved, Be proud of that, use

1146
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: that as fuel to move forward. And you don't have

1147
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: to be like anybody else, because you're not like anybody else.

1148
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: You touched on before, the idea that the journey isn't

1149
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: necessarily linear, I would assume, and I know because this

1150
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: is how it is.

1151
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: That there have.

1152
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 2: Certainly been some tear filled professional setbacks as you've been

1153
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: building your brand. What did you look to How have

1154
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: you had to pick yourself up when those difficult moments

1155
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: have struck for you?

1156
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: That is an awesome question.

1157
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: I think the truth is is that I'm so anchored

1158
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: in my purpose, in my mission that the entire roller

1159
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: coaster ride is worth it, and that when it gets really,

1160
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: really low, I just go back to that. Like, when

1161
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: it gets low could mean a deal fell through. Could

1162
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: mean you know, sales are not what they should be.

1163
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: It could mean so many things. But if my ultimate

1164
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: goal is to get the world to move, and I'm

1165
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: attached to that always, and I can attach back to

1166
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: that as fuel, then I can weather any storm and

1167
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I can get through anything. And I think for me,

1168
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: that's just kind of always been that anchoring part that

1169
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: pulls me through.

1170
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: The most important takeaway that I offer to whoever will

1171
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: listen is that getting through doesn't mean not having those

1172
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 2: moments of sadness or giving yourself a second to mourn

1173
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: your hard work that didn't pan out as you'd hoped.

1174
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: You get to do that, but then you also get

1175
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: the opportunity to pick yourself up and keep going.

1176
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are lessons I really try to look,

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean pause when something happens.

1178
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 3: I go through all the emotions. I do not try

1179
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: to ignore them.

1180
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: I definitely go through being super upset or disappointed, but

1181
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: I also try to reflect on like what is this

1182
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to go through a different door? Is

1183
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: this trying to lead me somewhere else? And just like

1184
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: I said before, I've had so many opportunities in my

1185
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: life where you would think that a forward step looked

1186
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: like this, and you would think that a backward step

1187
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: looked like this, But what looked backwards was propelled me

1188
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: like slingshotted me so far forward. So I do try

1189
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: to look at things in life as like lessons, and

1190
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: once I've gotten through the emotion, try to analyze them

1191
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: and just see if it's trying to push me in

1192
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: a different direction.

1193
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: Right, like why is this happening for you?

1194
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: As a question, I'm always asking myself, even when what's

1195
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: happening is nothing that I wanted.

1196
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: It was so much of what we've envisioned. I know

1197
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: where I want to go, I do not know how

1198
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to get there. Like I say all the time,

1199
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: I know the type of cake I want to bake,

1200
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the recipe is, And I'm

1201
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: okay with it switching up and I'm okay as long

1202
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: as I'm anchored to the right end point. I'm okay

1203
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: with things taking a lot of detours or going a

1204
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: different route because I've started to realize it's only my

1205
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: ego in here that says the route has to be

1206
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: this way. So I'm starting to be a lot more

1207
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: flexible with We're gonna bend and turn and twist and

1208
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: go all over as long as we all know we're

1209
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: going for this end goal.

1210
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: When someone comes to your Instagram page, they see a

1211
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: woman that is followed by many, who loves to work out,

1212
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: has her ms and exercise science. When you look in

1213
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: the mirror, what is it that you see looking back

1214
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: at you.

1215
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: Oh, that's gonna make me emotional.

1216
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Well, when I look in the mirror, in all honesty,

1217
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we got a lot of work to do.

1218
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: We're trying to get the whole world to move.

1219
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: We're not there yet, but I do try to reflect,

1220
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: and in moments like this, I do appreciate you bring

1221
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: that up because I do reflect on like I never

1222
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: in a million years would have thought that I would

1223
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: have been here through everything that I've gone through. I

1224
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: never in a million years could say, I mean, technically,

1225
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: I am a professional athlete because I move and I

1226
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: get paid for it.

1227
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: So that is like one bucketless item that I'm always like.

1228
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, you had no idea how it was

1229
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: going to happen, but you are officially here and I'm

1230
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: so proud of that. And then also just that I've

1231
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 1: I've created a platform that encourages the world to move,

1232
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: which was always my goal and my passion, and that

1233
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to continue doing.

1234
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: You're wearing a sweatshirt right now that says I am

1235
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: more than my body.

1236
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: If you had to call out some of the characteristics

1237
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: that you have that make you truly proud of who

1238
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: you've become, what would those be?

1239
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my biggest characteristic is the fact

1240
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: that I never get up give up. I think my

1241
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: biggest characteristic is that I'm a hard worker. At the

1242
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: end of the day, I don't take no for an answer,

1243
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: and I believe in myself. It's been many, many years

1244
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: of working on myself, but I believe in myself. And

1245
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm you know, uniquely me and starting to

1246
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: become more and more proud of that. But yeah, I

1247
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: think I've gotten to where I've gotten today because I.

1248
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: Have a tough shell.

1249
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: I have a very very soft right below the shell

1250
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: is very soft and very sensitive. But I'm willing to

1251
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: put in a lot of work. I'm willing to do

1252
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that a lot of people

1253
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: don't want to do because I am so attached to

1254
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: my mission and my purpose and why I think I'm

1255
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: even here on this earth.

1256
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: The last thing that I want to touch on with

1257
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: you here today is injury. I know that you have

1258
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: gone through a few major ones as someone who is

1259
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: so passionate about movement, who really credits it as the

1260
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: thing that keeps her saying, talk to me about how

1261
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: challenging some of these major injuries have been for you

1262
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: and what were they?

1263
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so injuries have always been have always plagued me.

1264
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: The more you move, the more you're going to have injuries.

1265
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: But there always something that allows me to have a

1266
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: total shift in what's going on in my life. So

1267
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: I think the biggest injury for me was when I

1268
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: broke my leg, and that was that was like six

1269
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: or seven years years ago, and it was just when

1270
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: social media was starting and I was on my own,

1271
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, this is over, Like everything I've

1272
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: worked for is over if I can't if I don't.

1273
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: Have a leg that works right now, how am.

1274
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: I going to create workout videos? So at a very deep,

1275
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: dark moment, and then I realize I can do a

1276
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of movement on one leg and with my corn

1277
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: with my upper body, and that ended up kind of

1278
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: catapulting me, because then I became the crazy lady with

1279
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: a pink cast that was doing you know, movements. But

1280
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: in that moment, I had a conversation with myself that

1281
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: recognized that I was not listening to her, I was

1282
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: not taking care of her. My leg was broken because

1283
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: that was a final thing for my body to get

1284
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: me to sit down on my couch and listen to her.

1285
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of things that were happening

1286
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: before that, and so I literally had a conversation with

1287
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: my leg and I said, if you heal faster than

1288
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: the doctor said you're gonna heal, I promise I will

1289
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: take care of you. I will listen to you, I

1290
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: will do anything that you need, and I will put

1291
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: you first for the rest of my life. And I

1292
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: have done that and I have taken care of her.

1293
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: And I just had this conversation where I looked at

1294
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: my body as something other than me, and I looked

1295
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: at like, she is my best friend and I need

1296
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: her to get through this life. And if I don't

1297
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: start honoring her and listening to her and taking care

1298
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: of her, she will not be able to show up

1299
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: for me. And so that was the biggest turning point

1300
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: for me. And then I've had many injuries along the road,

1301
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: nothing as major, but I just think injuries now, like

1302
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're like positive, but they are a

1303
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: moment to reflect. There are a moment to look at

1304
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: some other things that are going on in life. There

1305
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: are a moment, you know, where your body just gets

1306
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: to slow you down and have you, you know, look

1307
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: around and see what else you could possibly be working on.

1308
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: I've been dealing with a little bit of like planter

1309
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: fasci itis, which is like the sexiest term, isn't it

1310
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: like planter or fasci itis. But I feel like I

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Speaker 2: have been thinking of her as you put it the

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Speaker 2: same way. And also you know how people talk to

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Speaker 2: plants and they grow better. I'm like, oh, if I

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Speaker 2: just speak kindly toward the direction of my right heel,

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Speaker 2: then we're gonna be all good. Emily, that like totally

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Speaker 2: makes my day.

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Speaker 3: It is. It is why I started the eye am

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Speaker 3: more than my body.

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Speaker 1: And I know that sounds like a negative, but it

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Speaker 1: was to help I use it for me, but it's

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Speaker 1: to help people understand that you are one thing. Your

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Speaker 1: body is another thing. She it They are always listening

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Speaker 1: to you. So when you have this negative self talk,

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Speaker 1: whatever's going on in your head, when you define your

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Speaker 1: body by simply what it looks like all of these things,

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Speaker 1: your body is absorbing all of that. And so I

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Speaker 1: actively have my client's practice, and not in a gimmicky way,

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Speaker 1: not in standing in front of the mirror and being

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Speaker 1: like I love myself, not that, just like one positive

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Speaker 1: thing you can say, or if a negative thought goes through,

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Speaker 1: then can you switch that and say something For me,

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Speaker 1: I have some big ass arms. It's always a thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, those arms are huge. And then

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, and that's why you can do these

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Speaker 1: crazy pull ups and push up. You know. It's like

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Speaker 1: changing that thought process. And just like I do reps

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Speaker 1: in the gym, I do reps with my positive self

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Speaker 1: talk all the time. But I think it makes a

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Speaker 1: huge difference. So I would say, keep on with that.

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Speaker 2: We love a positive self talk rep, but not in

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Speaker 2: a gimmicky way.

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, it's not calling you, no, I'm

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Speaker 3: with you. I'm with you because i I'm with yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm like, the whole self love culture turns into

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Speaker 1: this like where it just becomes fake and you're not

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Speaker 1: actually connected. But I think if you can start to

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Speaker 1: appreciate your body as like your best friend, I think

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Speaker 1: that relationship really takes a turn in a positive direction.

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Speaker 2: All right, Guisa, Right now you have an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: give yourself a piece of advice, looking back at the

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Speaker 2: hurdle moment, which was back in high school, pulling yourself

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Speaker 2: out of that negative self talk spiral, finding some purpose

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Speaker 2: with the knowledge that you have. Now, what advice do

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Speaker 2: you give yourself that is so hard?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would have just given myself

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Speaker 1: a hug. I would have just given myself some love.

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Speaker 1: I would have just showed up for myself in a

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Speaker 1: very different way. And I always look back at young

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Speaker 1: Kais and I'm like, oh, always feel so I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh God, it's so dark and sad. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: wish I could have just been there to be like,

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Speaker 1: you are going to make it, and you are going

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Speaker 1: to do epic things, and you are so worth all

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Speaker 1: of this, and the journey is so incredibly hard right now.

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Speaker 1: But because you're going through these low lows, you are

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Speaker 1: going to be able to go to some high highs.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to take that story with you

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Speaker 1: and show up in so many different ways for people.

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Speaker 1: So just like, stay with this, just stay with this,

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Speaker 1: because I wouldn't, honestly, Emily, I wouldn't go back and

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Speaker 1: change anything because all of those lessons taught me so

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Speaker 1: much about myself, taught me what I could work through,

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Speaker 1: what I could go through. It taught me to relate

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Speaker 1: to other people in a very different way. So I

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Speaker 1: think I would just I would just give her the

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Speaker 1: biggest hug and say, like, you're gonna make it, just

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Speaker 1: like keep going one step in front of the other.

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Speaker 2: One step in front of the other. Kaisa, I'm so

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Speaker 2: glad that we were able to do this. If they

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Speaker 2: don't follow you yet, how do the hurdlers keep up

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Speaker 2: with you?

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Speaker 3: How do they follow along with you? Give me all

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Speaker 3: the details.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can come move with me on just move

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Speaker 1: dot com, and you can come hang out with me

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Speaker 1: on social media, which is caise of fits, and if

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Speaker 1: you have any questions, like, I am the one that

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Speaker 1: runs my social I'm in my DMS all the time,

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Speaker 1: so just hit me up if any questions or you know,

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Speaker 1: want to talk to me about something, just hit me up.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Hurdle Podcast and at Emily a Body,

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Speaker 2: another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.