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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Parents dine out and leave their five children at home

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Speaker 2: to starve. Mommy says she's too focused on her job.

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Speaker 1: Let me understand this. So they're out, what are they having?

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Speaker 1: A steak and potato waffle house? Chipotle? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They're out together, Mommy and daddy yucking it up, ordering

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Speaker 2: whatever they want while they're five children are emaciated, starving

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Speaker 2: at home. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Five children hungry, home alone with no electricity and clogged toilet.

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Speaker 3: Where's mommy and daddy?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know where they are. They're at the Golden Corral, Chipotele,

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Speaker 2: you name it. That's where they are. Their children at home,

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Speaker 2: starving with the commode running over with feces. That's where

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Speaker 2: the children are. When asked, mommy says, oh, I've been

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Speaker 2: too focused on my job. Really, that's something I think

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Speaker 2: mommy should think about. Behind bars and Daddy, you're not

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Speaker 2: off the hook either. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: On a Tuesday afternoon, a driver in the seven hundred

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Speaker 4: block of fifteenth Street in Miami Beach sees a six

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Speaker 4: year old boy running across fifteenth Street, unsupervised and in

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Speaker 4: a high traffic area. Calling nine to one one, the

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Speaker 4: driver relates what he's seeing and officers arrive on the

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Speaker 4: scene in a matter of minutes. Police see the child

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Speaker 4: leaving an apartment complex by himself and asks the boy

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Speaker 4: where he lives. The child leads the officers to his

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Speaker 4: apartment to show them he isn't lost, and the apartment

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Speaker 4: door is answered by the oldest person in the apartment,

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Speaker 4: the boy's twelve year old sister.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we are learning right now. But from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: a six year old little boy that's first or second

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Speaker 2: grade max is running on stamprovised across a street in

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Speaker 2: a high traffic area.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start with that.

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Speaker 2: A driver happens to see the boy running, calls nine

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Speaker 2: to one one. Then when police respond, they find the

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Speaker 2: boy skin and bones, you know, straight out to Officer

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Speaker 2: Christopher Bess, who is joining us out of Miami Beach

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Speaker 2: with the PD Police Department, Sadly, Officer, there's never a

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Speaker 2: lack of business when it comes to mistreated children, Isn't

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Speaker 2: that true?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, this is an extremely heartbreaking case. While others were

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Speaker 5: ringing in the new year. We had five kids who

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Speaker 5: didn't know where their next meal will come from.

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Speaker 1: Or an email for that matter.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, Officer Christopher Bess just question, does he Mighty

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Speaker 2: ever ask you that?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever just get sick of it?

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Speaker 2: Because you know, I remember prosecuting felonies for every ten

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Speaker 2: years in intercity Atlanta, And I remember the moment I

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Speaker 2: had the whole courtroom, I turned off the lights. I

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Speaker 2: was doing a slide presentation to the jury. It was

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Speaker 2: a serial murder. I could get them on one, just one,

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Speaker 2: so it had to work. I had a picture up

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Speaker 2: of the victim and at that moment I didn't know

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Speaker 2: how much more I could take her head. Her scalp

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Speaker 2: had to be during autopsy, pulled back so you could

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Speaker 2: see the contusions under her scalp. And I remember that

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Speaker 2: moment thinking, I don't know how much more I can take.

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Speaker 2: How I'm so saturated with it? Do you ever feel

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Speaker 6: Best?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely so. Unfortunately these particular cases happened more often than not.

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Speaker 5: Our detectives from the Special Victims Unit, our responding officers

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Speaker 5: are really still having a difficult time with going about

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Speaker 5: their day to day after seeing just the very sad

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Speaker 5: conditions these kids are living at.

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to go to a very well known anchor

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Speaker 2: and reporter at CBS News Miami. I'll also report she's

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Speaker 2: an Emmy Award winner, by the way, But I want

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Speaker 2: to go to Derek Smith, high profile criminal defense attorney

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Speaker 2: who has represented parents in similar cases.

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Speaker 1: Derek Smith, you know, I look at your trial record.

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Speaker 2: You win a lot of cases, you have a lot

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Speaker 2: of clients, You're successful.

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Speaker 1: Is there ever a moment you walk out of your

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Speaker 1: office and state I'm going to vomit? I can't take

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Speaker 1: one more case like this.

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Speaker 7: Of course, yeah, you'll have that. I mean emotions when

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Speaker 7: there's children involved, obviously. I mean, this isn't near one

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Speaker 7: of the worst cases that I've seen. It's been really

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Speaker 7: saying that, Rory, Derek, I don't think so. I mean,

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Speaker 7: the parents are trying to do what they can. They're earning,

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Speaker 7: they're making a living, They're trying their kids have shelter,

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Speaker 7: you know, electricity, no food. I've read the skilter.

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Speaker 2: My rear end control room. Could I please see the

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Speaker 2: picture of the two parents in court with their defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: You just showed it. There you go.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they haven't missed a meal. They're doing fine, Derek Smith,

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Speaker 2: They're out. Each one has their own private lawyer. What's

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Speaker 2: happening here? I don't get it. They're fine. Their children

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Speaker 2: are skin and bones and running in the traffic.

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Speaker 1: Do you have children, Derek, Yes, Nancy, I have four

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: I bet they're not running out in the middle of

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Speaker 2: a busy intersection starving.

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Speaker 7: Well, no comment, let's focus on them. But so I

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Speaker 7: have a you know, my first son I share with

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Speaker 7: with my ex wife, and sometimes we get into discussions

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Speaker 7: about what we're feeding them, is it appropriate or whatnot.

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Speaker 7: I'll make a beautiful dinner, chicken broccoli, you want, want it?

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Speaker 7: He wants McDonald's, he wants chicken nuggets.

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Speaker 8: You know what.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, You're going to eat what I've provided is

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Speaker 7: healthy and if you don't want it, you can go

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Speaker 7: to bed. And I've read image to hear.

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Speaker 2: That your children are at least eiding and they have

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Speaker 2: the choice to turn down the broccoli. But you know,

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Speaker 2: to you Chelsea Jones Ammy Award winner investigative reporter and anchor,

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Speaker 2: CBS News Miami, these children didn't have the chance to

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Speaker 2: turn down broccoli at dinner. You think they turned down broccoli.

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Speaker 2: They'd eat any scrap they could find. Tell me about

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Speaker 2: this little boy six years old? Now, does that put

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Speaker 2: him in first or second grade? It kind of depends

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Speaker 2: on his birthday, whether he's even going to school. Running

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Speaker 2: out in an intersection, a heavily trafficked intersection.

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Speaker 9: So the woman who called police and found this six

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Speaker 9: year old boy, it's actually what they learned when police

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Speaker 9: went back to the home from the eldest child. That

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Speaker 9: kind of gave a picture of what these children a

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Speaker 9: community basis a rust. Documents show that the eldest child,

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Speaker 9: who is twelve, told police they hadn't eaten since the

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Speaker 9: day before. This is New Year's Eve, so she says

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Speaker 9: on the thirtieth, at ten pm was their last meal.

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Speaker 10: And then she also told police.

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Speaker 2: No, wait, just a moment, hold on, Chelsea, I'm taking

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Speaker 2: from the firehengeant.

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Speaker 1: Right now. You're giving me so much information.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to miss one fact, okay, because I

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Speaker 2: plan to use everything you tell me. I plan to

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Speaker 2: use all that scrap metal and turn it into a

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Speaker 2: bullet to shoot right at these two parents. It all

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Speaker 1: Is that right, correct? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Officer Christopher Bess is joining us, Miami Beach PD. Bess,

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Speaker 2: this is called heavily trafficked. Tell me about the intersection

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Speaker 2: because I'm having nightmares. There's one thing about running across

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Speaker 2: the street where you live. You know, it's a single

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Speaker 1: Okay, describe this heavily trafficked area, correct.

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Speaker 5: So it is an enormous intersection and it is utilized

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Speaker 5: pretty heavily by buhicle traffic and also other pedestrian traffic

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Speaker 5: also the other victims we learned would do quite often.

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Speaker 5: They didn't have electricity, so they would navigate this intersection

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Speaker 5: the city. Again, just to do what normal kids would do.

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Speaker 2: Two forensics psychologists joining us, Doctor Jeff Kelishevski, author of

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Speaker 2: Dark Sides.

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Speaker 1: On YouTube.

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Speaker 2: You can find him doctor Jeff Klshewski, forensic psychologist, Doctor Jeff,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I find it very

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Speaker 2: difficult to take him okay, because as my children came

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Speaker 2: home from the nick kid at five pounds and two pounds.

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Speaker 2: My life's mission is to keep them happy and well

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Speaker 2: fed and safe. So how do the parents go chow

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Speaker 2: running in the street with their bones poking out?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 11: You know, I've been involved in literally thousands of neglect

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Speaker 11: and abuse cases as a forensic psychologist, and many times,

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Speaker 11: you know, when you see neglect like this, there may

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Speaker 11: be substance abuse, so there may be mental illness or

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Speaker 11: even a lack of knowledge to parent. But occasionally you

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Speaker 11: will run into these parents that are so self centered,

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Speaker 11: so caught up in their own lives that the children

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Speaker 11: are secondary to the point where the kids are harmed.

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Speaker 11: And you know, I wonder about this case is it's

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Speaker 11: a case of sort of narcissistic and self centered people.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, okay, you're giving I mean, la, what do

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Speaker 2: you mean the child is secondary? That could mean anything.

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Speaker 2: The children are starving. I don't know why you call

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Speaker 2: that secondary. That's certainly famistic. You're putting perfume on the pig.

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Speaker 2: The children were starving. The kommodes are overflowing with faces.

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Speaker 1: You know what that is, right? Crap poop?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're living there in the cold while mommy

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Speaker 2: and daddy are dining out at a restaurant. What a

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Speaker 2: secondary mean?

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Speaker 11: That's not what I mean by secondary. They're so caught

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Speaker 11: up in their own life and what they want. The

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Speaker 11: feed the kids. As long as they're fed, maybe like

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Speaker 11: maybe they'll leave some money for the kids, or maybe

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Speaker 11: they'll just forget about the kids because they're well fed

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Speaker 2: Are marking on them right now. Kealshevski, Uh, you know

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Speaker 2: what I need? Any doctor Michelle Dupree is joining us.

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Speaker 1: You know her well.

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Speaker 2: She's shot to fame during the Alex Murdog double murder trial,

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Speaker 2: but in my world, the world of crime, she was

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Speaker 2: already famous. Forensic pathologists, medical examiner, and guess what, also

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Speaker 2: former detective author of Money, Mischief and Murder The Murdog Dynasty.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the story and more important for me

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Speaker 2: Field guide for Child abuse investigation, Child Abuse Investigation field

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Speaker 2: guide and homicide Investigation Field Guide.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, thank you for taking time to be with us.

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Speaker 2: How long do you have to starve a child before

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Speaker 2: their ribs and their bones starts showing through their skin.

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Speaker 12: Nancy, A child normally would starve to death in three

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Speaker 12: to four weeks, and so they're going to be exhibiting

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Speaker 12: signs of that. They're going to get very skinny, all

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Speaker 12: sorts of other symptoms and are going to be there. So,

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Speaker 12: you know, two to three weeks and that's it. You know, child,

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Speaker 12: A person cannot go very long without water three days

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Speaker 12: or so, but food maybe three or four weeks. This

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Speaker 12: is so egregious, and unfortunately, this is not that uncommon.

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Speaker 12: I have dealt with many child abuse neglect cases all

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Speaker 12: over the country, really, and we see this more often

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Speaker 12: than we want.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm catching on one thing, you know, doctor Deprie.

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Speaker 2: It's my job to martial evidence, to determine what I

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Speaker 2: can prove whether that evidence is admissible in front of

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Speaker 2: a jury, because if it's not, it means nothing to me.

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Speaker 2: to three weeks before a child's bones are actually sticking out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Derek Smith, back to you. You're a veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: they didn't get supper.

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Speaker 1: They're not steaming broccoli, okay.

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Speaker 2: And the steamer like you do for your children, this

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Speaker 7: Well, you mentioned evidence, and this we need. You mentioned evidence.

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Speaker 7: the children are the ones telling the police they went

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to see your defense here. So you're saying

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Speaker 2: How about no food for you one night? Are refusing

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Speaker 2: McDonald's does not a starving child make And you better

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Speaker 2: Now, I get While you were talking about your son

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Speaker 1: It to me.

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Speaker 2: You're saying they went to bed hungry because mommy didn't

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Speaker 1: Is that your defense right now?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Nancy, i'd point of the evidence, and right now

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Speaker 7: look into what they were talking about to the police.

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Speaker 7: They're in school. The school provides them with food, So

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Speaker 7: how do they get to this point? I mean what

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Speaker 7: they're right break.

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Speaker 5: Still is.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying, mommy and daddy are not responsible

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Speaker 7: I mean, if they're provided food from the school, how

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Speaker 2: Let me just say, yes, this officer, Bess, I got

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Speaker 1: She didn't want them to have beast food.

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Speaker 2: Officer, Bess, you know, you might almost fall for it

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Speaker 5: Well, Daniel, what we were able to discover in the

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Speaker 5: not only have to fend for themselves, but the foods

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Speaker 2: You know, And a lot of schools, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you know this, Chelsea Jones, but a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of schools they don't let you come back for seconds.

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Speaker 2: And then for some children if they do go back

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Speaker 1: Did you know that? Yes?

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Speaker 10: I mean that's I think another thing else.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that this was during a break the

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Speaker 1: I had nothing, correct.

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Speaker 9: One of the children, the eldest child, also told police

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Speaker 9: cheeseburgers and three mcchickens, totaling around nineteen bucks to eat.

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Speaker 9: And that was not every day, that was on occasion,

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Speaker 3: Parents face charges after five children found living in squalid

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel, and we've got a

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Speaker 2: Evening anchor investigative reporter CBS needs Miami, Chelsea, any idea

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Speaker 2: where are the parents so go chow down for dinner.

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Speaker 10: That isn't immediately available?

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Speaker 9: And when I asked the mom, that wasn't something that

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Speaker 2: and she says it would take two to three weeks

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Speaker 2: Two to three weeks. These are five children. Occasionally, occasionally

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Speaker 2: I guess the children are supposed to run out in

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard what they could get.

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Speaker 2: It was like two cheeseburgers and some McNuggets and five

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Speaker 2: only on occasion, Paula, I mean, I'm hearing more and more.

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Speaker 2: I first really found out about food denial as a

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Speaker 2: saw plenty of child abuse, children beaten their bones broken, murdered,

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Speaker 2: burned with cigarettes. You know, of course sex abuse that

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Speaker 1: Denial of food as child abuse.

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Speaker 13: Paula, Yes, it's actually would fall under severe neglect because

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Speaker 13: the health and safety the life of a child is

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Speaker 13: immediately in danger with that severe withholding of essential necessities

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Speaker 13: food among everything else. And I would say everything else,

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Speaker 13: I mean the conditions of the home, the children having

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Speaker 13: what I'm curious about is where were the protective adults

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Speaker 14: But you have teachers, you have relatives, you have the landlord,

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Speaker 13: And I would not be surprised if there have been

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Speaker 2: Previously crime stories with Nancy Grace, just recently a high

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Speaker 2: profile case including starvation. I've not one, but all the

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Speaker 2: Now you look at these two parents, they haven't missed

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Speaker 15: It Scott a text message from Eve's teacher and she

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Speaker 1: The teacher uncomfortable, uncomfortable just looking at her.

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Speaker 2: That's Ruby Frankie, who shot to stardom with a mommy

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Speaker 16: This right, I'm on the address of your emergency. Okay,

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Speaker 16: and that's pun number you're calling from. I me exactly

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Speaker 8: I just had a twelve year old boy show up

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Speaker 8: we know there's been problems at this neighbor's house. He's emaciated,

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Speaker 8: he's got tape around his legs, he's hungry and he's thirsty.

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Speaker 16: Okay, he is your door locked?

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Speaker 8: No, I'm sitting outside with him on the front page.

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Speaker 2: You can hear the neighbor break down, crying as he

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Speaker 8: She's a she's a bad lady. We didn't realize how bad.

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Speaker 16: I'm just asking where he is. Well, sounds like he's

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Speaker 8: Okay, all right, Well, if we have to take it

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Speaker 16: let's just stay where you're at. Does he have anything

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Speaker 8: No, he's run a long sleeve shirt and shorts and

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Speaker 16: Can you tell me what color the short surt?

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Speaker 8: Okay, the ambulance is here.

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Speaker 16: Are they with you?

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Speaker 8: No, they're just not getting out of the truck.

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Speaker 16: Okay, I'll go ahead and I'll let you go. Then

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Speaker 16: you did a great job, Dodger.

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Speaker 2: Michelle Dupree. I don't know if you could see the

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Speaker 2: Doctor Dupree, How long would a child starve to get

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Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, it would be about the same thing and

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Speaker 3: A child leads officers to siblings with no food, no electricity,

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Speaker 2: Come o running over with feces, no clean clothes, the

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Speaker 17: Listen looking around the apartment, officers discover the toilet contains

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Speaker 17: stagnant water and feces, and there is no toilet paper.

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Speaker 17: The children tell police they have been without electricity for

439
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Speaker 17: around two months. Trying to locate their parents, the children

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Speaker 17: tell police they have no way of contacting their mother,

441
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Speaker 17: but they know she works at a hotel in Miami.

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Speaker 17: They don't know where their father works.

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Speaker 1: And then police find out more.

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Speaker 18: As officers talk to the children and look at the apartment,

445
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Speaker 18: it is apparent things are even worse than it seems.

446
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Speaker 18: All five children share a single full sized bed and

447
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Speaker 18: lack clean clothing. Officers also note a strong order of soiling,

448
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Speaker 18: and the twelve year old girl tells them her parents

449
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Speaker 18: haven't washed clothes for a couple of weeks, so they

450
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Speaker 18: just wear what they have.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand this, officer Christopher Best joining us

452
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Speaker 2: from Miami Beach PD.

453
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Speaker 1: So, not only do they not give the.

454
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Speaker 2: Children food, the children are starving while they're down the

455
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Speaker 2: street at Golden Corral, but they don't wash the clothes either.

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Speaker 1: The parents go to work every day, their clothes are clean.

457
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Speaker 1: I mean they've gotten to know this is wrong.

458
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Speaker 2: It's not like they don't understand what they're doing wrong

459
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Speaker 2: because their clothes are clean.

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Speaker 1: They have food.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, So ourmscation revealed that not only do the parents

462
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Speaker 5: have jobs, but the mother makes about fourteen hundred dollars

463
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Speaker 5: a week. When the kid express concerns over having food

464
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Speaker 5: and clothing, the children to our investigators that it depended

465
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Speaker 5: on the mood. The twelve year old and all instered

466
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Speaker 5: purposes were like the guardian of her other siblings. She

467
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Speaker 5: would advocate for them. She would ask her mother and

468
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Speaker 5: or father for additional money, and she told our detectives

469
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Speaker 5: it all depended on their mood, whether they wanted to

470
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Speaker 5: feed us or not, when they would go out to

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Speaker 5: Lincoln Road or Ocean Drive to dine out and have

472
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Speaker 5: dinner or have takeout, whenever they would ask for more

473
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Speaker 5: if it was all depending on how the parents felt

474
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Speaker 5: in that moment.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that she said she was too focused

476
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Speaker 2: on her job to feed her children.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, that's also what detectives uncovered. And I want to

478
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Speaker 5: make it very clear these parents do exactly what they

479
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Speaker 5: were doing. This was very intentional based on the physical

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Speaker 5: evidence and also the testimony of both parents and children.

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Speaker 5: This was a chronic issue that stemmed from New York.

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Speaker 2: So they had been flagged in New York. What exactly

483
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Speaker 2: happened when they were in New York.

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Speaker 5: So there was an open case of child neglect in

485
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Speaker 5: New York. CPS took away the kids while they were there.

486
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Speaker 5: Once they went through the process of regaining custody of

487
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Speaker 5: their children, they relocated down here in Miami Beach, and

488
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Speaker 5: apparently the same vicious cycle continued. One of the victims

489
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Speaker 5: in this case, I could sell their cell phone for

490
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Speaker 5: twenty dollars because that's what they're accustomed to, just to

491
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Speaker 5: provide food for their kids during a break when their

492
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Speaker 5: parents refused to provide them with the twenty dollars outside

493
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Speaker 5: of the mills that they were seeing in school.

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Speaker 2: So very disturbing case lay stars. So one of them

495
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Speaker 2: had a cell phone and had to sell it for food.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, guys, listen to this.

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Speaker 4: At the police station, the children are being fed twell

498
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Speaker 4: of your old girl explains. Occasionally they get deep food

499
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Speaker 4: their parents bring home. The girl explains to police that

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Speaker 4: her mother would occasionally leave them a twenty dollars bill

501
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Speaker 4: to buy food, and she would buy two bacon cheeseburgers

502
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Speaker 4: and three mad chicken sandwiches for McDonald's to feed all

503
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Speaker 4: five of the children. The parents frequently leave the children

504
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Speaker 4: at home without food while they go out to eat

505
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Speaker 4: dinner on an emergency.

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Speaker 16: What are you reporting? So this is no one one

507
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Speaker 16: day of an emergency.

508
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Speaker 19: I just got to leave them home because I love

509
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Speaker 19: when the family of sixteen okay, can you hear me?

510
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Speaker 19: And we have a busing Paris?

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Speaker 13: Did you hear that?

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Speaker 19: Okay?

513
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Speaker 16: How did they abuse you?

514
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Speaker 19: Okay? They hate us betas crooks. They like throats, cross roots,

515
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Speaker 19: They pull our hair, they beginker our hair. I have

516
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Speaker 19: two my two little sisters right now are chained up.

517
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Speaker 2: One Terpin child manages to escape through a window after

518
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Speaker 2: years of abuse and get to make a nine to

519
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: one call. You saw that photo of all the children

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Speaker 2: in matching outfits. The Turpin parents would do this. They

521
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: would stage photos and force the children to behave in

522
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Speaker 2: a certain way in front of the camera, dressing them

523
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Speaker 2: all alike in a choreographed photo to send out.

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Speaker 1: But at home, as is now.

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Speaker 4: Dubbed the House of Horrors, listen, David and Louise Terpin

526
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Speaker 4: live in Paris, California, with their thirteen children, raging in

527
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Speaker 4: age from two to twenty nine. The Turbans in prison

528
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Speaker 4: and beat their children, only allowing them to eat once

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Speaker 4: a day and bathe once a year. The parents would

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Speaker 4: buy food for themselves, but their kids weren't allowed to

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Speaker 4: eat it. When seventeen year old Jordan escapes out a window,

532
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Speaker 4: she calls nine one one and tells the dispatcher she

533
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Speaker 4: and her siblings are being abused by their parents and

534
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Speaker 4: that the smell in the house is so bad sometimes

535
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Speaker 4: she can barely breathe. She also says two of her

536
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Speaker 4: sisters and one of her brothers are currently changed to

537
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Speaker 4: their beds. David and Louise Turban plead guilty and her

538
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Speaker 4: sentence to life in prison.

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Speaker 3: Rot in hell.

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Speaker 2: Turpin parents, they're behind bars where they belong. But guess

541
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Speaker 2: what they're getting Three hots and a cock, something they

542
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: deprived their children of for years until again their bones

543
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: were literally literally sticking out, almost about to puncture the skin.

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Speaker 1: Another issue there with the Turpins. Listen to this, what

545
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: about this, doctor Jeff Kalashevski.

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Speaker 2: They would buy pies at the deli, in the grocery store,

547
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: apple pies, pumpkin pies and.

548
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Speaker 1: More and leave them out.

549
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Speaker 2: Then they would unchain the children and let them out

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Speaker 2: of closets, and they would let them.

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Speaker 1: Come down and see the food, but not let them

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Speaker 1: eat it.

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Speaker 11: Right, that's beyond the gluck. That's sadistic psychological abuse, no doubt.

554
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Speaker 2: You know. I'm just wondering what part of hell is

555
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Speaker 2: for people like this. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Derek Smith.

556
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: Please don't think I'm picking on you just because you

557
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: represent people like this that starve their children.

558
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Speaker 1: What do you do in a case like this?

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Speaker 2: And look, I'm giving you a hard time, but you're

560
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: very successful. You know the Constitution like the back of

561
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: your hands. You know the rules of evidence, backwards and forwards,

562
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: like there your alphabet. But how can you get parents

563
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 2: off in a case like the one we're looking at

564
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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: Forget about the turpins. They've already played guilty. They got

566
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Speaker 1: a one way ticket to hell.

567
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: But how would you argue the current case, the case

568
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Speaker 2: in chief we're discussing.

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Speaker 7: I think that the biggest issue here would be intent.

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Speaker 7: I mean, what was the parent's intent here? I know

571
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Speaker 7: the detective mentioned that, you know, some past issues in

572
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Speaker 7: New York could point to a pattern of behavior with them.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, there's no evidence of physical abuse, which

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Speaker 7: is good. I understand that we have some evidence that

575
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 7: the mother is employed and what money she's making. However,

576
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Speaker 7: what are their expenses?

577
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Speaker 2: There's no well that the parents not paying the electric

578
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: bill and the grocery bill is next to nothing.

579
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean grocery sts you know, are expensive nowadays,

580
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Speaker 7: and you got five kids to feed here in this case.

581
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Speaker 1: Okay, you need to stop right there. You need to stop. Okay.

582
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Speaker 2: I was supporting you and your representation because it's allowed

583
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Speaker 2: under the constitution appearance that starve their children. But to

584
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Speaker 2: say with a straight face, Grocery bills are expensive. They're

585
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Speaker 2: eating out, man, they're paying for a restaurant food.

586
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Speaker 1: You know what I grew up. We never got to

587
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Speaker 1: go to a restaurant.

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Speaker 19: Eh.

589
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Speaker 1: We ate home every night because we couldn't afford to

590
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Speaker 1: go to a restaurant.

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Speaker 7: Well, obviously they can't cook at home if they don't

592
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 7: have that working stuff stole. But they may have an

593
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Speaker 7: air fryer, they may have a microwave, other ways that

594
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Speaker 7: they can prepare the food for the children. But they

595
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 7: don't go to school.

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Speaker 1: They can list on you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're saying grocery bills, I got to write

598
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Speaker 2: this down. Grocery bills cost a lot. That's gonna work

599
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: with a jury, Good.

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Speaker 7: Luck with that.

601
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Speaker 2: And the stove's not working. Why is it the stove working?

602
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Speaker 2: Stove's not working, Derek, because mommy and daddy are spending

603
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: the money on themselves. You saw them. They ain't missed

604
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: a meal, man, They can get back and forth to work.

605
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Speaker 2: The mom's making seventy two grand a year for Pete's sake.

606
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Speaker 2: The reason they can't cook is because they aren't paying

607
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Speaker 2: for heat and air conditioned, much less.

608
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Speaker 1: A stove in the home.

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Speaker 2: But I can see where you're going, and you know

610
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Speaker 2: I asked for that, you gave it to me. That's

611
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Speaker 2: what your defense would be. Although I think the mom

612
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Speaker 2: not wanting them to eat snack food or fast food.

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Speaker 1: That might work a little bit better. But I want

614
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Speaker 1: you to hear this. Derek Smith.

615
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Speaker 4: Police asked the children if they were hungry and fed them.

616
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Speaker 4: As police interview the twelve year old, she utters some

617
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: very telling information. The parents would frequently share an evening

618
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: meal without providing food for the children, and they would

619
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Speaker 4: often leave the children at home while they went out

620
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Speaker 4: to dinner. The girl says the siblings often went to

621
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Speaker 4: bed hungary.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chelsea Jones joining us evening anchor investigative reporter

623
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Speaker 2: CBS needs Miami.

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Speaker 1: She won an Emmy. That ain't easy, Chelsea. I mean,

625
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about these two parents. The

626
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Speaker 1: dad had a job. I just don't know what his

627
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Speaker 1: job is yet.

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Speaker 2: The mom had a really good job at a hotel

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Speaker 2: in Miami, So that tells me she had to go

630
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Speaker 2: back and forth. She probably had a car so she

631
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Speaker 2: could afford transportation, eating out, clothes to wear to work,

632
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Speaker 2: the whole shebang, but not food for her children and

633
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Speaker 2: the apartment was like a hellhole.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's unclear based on what police had told us

635
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Speaker 9: at this point and revealed how she got to work,

636
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 9: but they report that she worked at Moxie Hotel, which

637
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 9: is also one to beat, so she could be getting

638
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 9: there by foot. However, when I talked to her, she

639
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 9: was really emphasizing the fact that she made a mistake.

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Speaker 9: She did confirm that she was from New York and

641
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Speaker 9: that her children never went to bed hungry and that

642
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Speaker 9: at the end of the day they just weren't hungry,

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Speaker 9: despite what has been revealed by.

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Speaker 10: Police that these children were not eating and were being neglected.

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Speaker 2: Chelsea, did you say the mom said her children never

646
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Speaker 2: went to bed hungry?

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Speaker 1: Correct? Oh, I can't wait to have the jury to

648
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Speaker 1: hear that.

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Speaker 9: What I asked her specifically about the twenty dollars that

650
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Speaker 9: she would sometimes supply in the food that they were

651
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Speaker 9: able to get with only twenty dollars for the five kids,

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Speaker 9: and she said that wasn't true and that they often

653
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Speaker 9: just didn't want what she would allow.

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Speaker 1: Take care of your.

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Speaker 6: Kids, I let the job. I was focusing more on

656
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Speaker 6: the job than the kids, and it got some of

657
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: like the career and stuff, but just take care of

658
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Speaker 6: your kids and you know, love them as.

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Speaker 1: Much as you can.

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Speaker 2: What you were hearing mommy Azra Nikosovic speaking to our

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Speaker 2: Chelsea Jones, investigative reporter anchor CBS Miami. Did I just

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Speaker 2: hear her correctly? Chelsea?

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Speaker 1: Did she actually tell you I was focusing more on

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Speaker 1: the job and the career.

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Speaker 20: What that was?

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Speaker 10: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And that's not all she said.

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Speaker 10: Listen, Please say they found you know the plumbing wasn't on.

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Speaker 10: The electricity you hadn't been on for two months.

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Speaker 6: The kids say, correct, the electricity was all for like

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Speaker 6: a month and a half and the toilet was clogged.

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Speaker 1: But I'll fix everything. Okay.

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Speaker 2: If she ever does fix it, it's because the court

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Speaker 2: will make her fix it. But here is mommy along

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Speaker 2: with Daddy in court.

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Speaker 21: I'm going to say, I'll find Noble Claus. I do

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Speaker 21: find it for all five counts.

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Speaker 20: If you'd be so implied for pre trial service for

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Speaker 20: all five counts, considering mission that COVID the Koachovik's lack.

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Speaker 21: Of criminal history, what's your position?

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Speaker 8: See?

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Speaker 20: Given though this, the state doesn't feel like this should

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Speaker 20: be a good bit on the infarmers. The the listed

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Speaker 20: address where the living has no electricity, no standing. Third

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Speaker 20: precaution asines on.

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Speaker 21: Bust one bond of twenty five hundred dollars. That's the

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Speaker 21: standard bond. I'll set that for count one or more

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Speaker 21: on the other counts. It's all for the same same

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Speaker 21: Act two accounts two, three, four and five or or

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Speaker 21: or count one twenty.

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Speaker 2: He's playing what you're hearing right now. The defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: he's pulling a Derek Smith right there.

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Speaker 1: Ask for a PTS.

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Speaker 2: You know what that is.

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Speaker 1: We just got PTI preached.

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Speaker 2: That's where there's no criminal case, and the defendants go

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Speaker 2: to some classes like parenting classes, and then everything's dropped

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Speaker 2: and the prosecutor, thank goodness, said no, and they have

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Speaker 2: walked out on twenty five hundred dollars bond.

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Speaker 1: Translation, that's two hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 2: They have to put up and are released on your

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Speaker 2: own recognissance.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you don't have to pay anything.

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Speaker 2: Just go back out there, okay to Paula ROADI joining

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Speaker 2: me former Child Protective Services, now Paula Roady consulting.

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Speaker 1: And it just keeps on and on and on. Second verse,

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Speaker 1: same as the first.

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Speaker 2: These two are out r R probably at Chipotle right now,

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Speaker 2: probably having a mistake somewhere. Maybe they're out back, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, after starving their children.

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Speaker 14: Yes, it's it's criminal and they were arrested. So and

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Speaker 14: I think that next step with regards to the Child

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Speaker 14: Protective Services is to request of the juvenile court that

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Speaker 14: the parents undergo a In California, it's called a evidentiary

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Speaker 14: psychological evaluation.

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Speaker 10: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: I was with you until you said that the parents

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Speaker 2: get to have a shrink paid by me, the taxpayer.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I don't need a shrink to know

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Speaker 2: that they are self centered and they are sadistic, watching

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Speaker 2: their children day by day starve. Chelsea Jones joining me

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Speaker 2: CBS Need's Miami. What's next for mommy and daddy.

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Speaker 9: What Mom told me when I spoke to her was

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Speaker 9: that she was going to fight to get custody of

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Speaker 9: her five kids back.

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Speaker 10: And we have yet to hear from the father.

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Speaker 1: At this point, we wait as justice and folds. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace signing off, goodbye friend,