1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm super excited. I'm back in New York City. Here 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: at Via Coroda, my favorite Italian restaurant in New York 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: on Grove Street. If you are ever in New York, please, please, please, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: you must check this place out. It's just delicious, look amazing. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Have you been here for? Today 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: is really special because we are having lunch with a 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: woman who doesn't usually make time to be away from 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: her desk at lunch. That is true. I'm more of 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: a breakfast present. She's an icon. She's a big deal 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: to me in my life, to the city. I think 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: she is fundamental in the fabric of New York and globally. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: We're having lunch with Anna Winton, So guaB a cocktail or. 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: If this is a working lunch for you, maybe a coffee. 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I really hope you enjoyed this conversation. Anna took time 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: out of her schedule for us on a brisk afternoon 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: last doctor. I'm Bruce Bosi, and this is my podcast 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Table for two. Today. Everybody, we're having lunch with Dame 18 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: Anna Winter, who doesn't usually make time for lunch. I 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: think outside of your desk? Is that true? I find 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: that lunch tends to interrupt the day, and to be 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: completely honest, since we moved to the World Trade Center, 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: it's sort of an isolating neighborhood anyway, and so leaving 23 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: the building seems complicated and difficult, so I tend to 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: when I get there, I tend to stay. It is 25 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a little remote. It's remote, particularly since COVID, it's become 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: quite or not desolate, but empty. But I'm so lucky 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: in my office because I have this extraordinary view not 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: only all over Manhattan but onto the Memorial and it's 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: actually I love being actually physically in my office because 30 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: it's such a remarkable reminder of the resilience of people. Yeah, 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: so I'm taking you out of your day. What does 32 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: the day look like to Well, I get up early 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: fish and I usually go to my trainer and that 34 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: has become quite a bizarre walk because I walk there 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: and he's on twel Street, and now that it's dark, 36 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: I walk or around Washington Square, which is you know 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: and interesting, you know quite know what you're you're going 38 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: to see. So I spend an hour with Daniel, who's amazing, 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: and then usually I run back and then my day 40 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: kicks in, sometimes with phone calls to the many territories 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: that Condenast operates in, or I just go straight to 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the office, or sometimes I'll have a breakfast meeting with 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: people that are in from out of town. I've got 44 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: someone who likes a long meeting. I like to have 45 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: a reason for the breakfast or the lunch and not 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: nothing that's so social. And then I've worked of the 47 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: day many meetings with all the different brilliant editors that 48 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I have the good fortune to work with a Condonast 49 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: or some members of the yelt at condon Nast, or 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: outside appointments occasionally, or meetings with the met you know, 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: I try and do things that a part of the 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: reason that one lives in New York, because New York 53 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: has so so much to offer and a theater, as 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: you know, we share that in comments. We're going to 55 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: talk about that. We're going to talk about your love 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: with theater. And so I can't get over that you 57 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: walk five in the morning to the gym, and I mean, 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: so you just you get up and you go. Yes. 59 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: First of all, you look amazing, thank you, thank you, 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: very good lighting. It's good lighting. You're in like red 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: floral dress is beautiful. Thank you It's It's a It's 62 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: A It's a Money dress by Francisco Rizzo. I love 63 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: what he's doing on money. I think it's so creative 64 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: and fun. And he had an amazing show during New 65 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: York Fashion Week, which is one of the best New 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: York Fashion Weeks that we've had in a long time, 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: because I think that we were sort of fully open. 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Prins Covid and a lot of outside people came, including 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: a wonderful Kim Jones from Fendi that did a partnership 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: collaboration with the great Mark Jacobs, which I was told 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: was built around the burguette, which seemed to involve cameos 72 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: from Sarah, Jessica Parker and Linda Evangelista. But Francesco, who 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: was an amazing Italian designer that was much Prada's right 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: hand for a long time, and I think was tap 75 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: Renzo at Many about five years ago for the very 76 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: first time he brought his show to New York, and 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: he chose to show right under the Brooklyn Bridge, an 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: amazing orchestra and a great cast including people like Tyler 79 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: Mitchell and Erica Badoux, and it was just to have 80 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: obviously our usual cast of characters but also brilliant designers 81 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: from other parts of the world were I think just 82 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: fashion is global today, so to have that mix was marvelous. 83 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: And then of course it ended with the great Tom Ford, 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: who whenever he shows a new or lives all of 85 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: us as he does. He recently was on Table for 86 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: two and he is. He's an incredible man and he is. 87 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: He said on Table for two, anyone overthrew you shouldn't 88 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: go out during the day. That yes, yes, well if 89 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: you look like tom Ford you can die. And he's 90 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: any time. Everyone. One of the things that you consistently 91 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: do with me when you see me, you always ask 92 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: about me. You asked about me when my family lost 93 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: the business and was going through rough times. You asked 94 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: about my family, You asked about me, You asked about 95 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: the things I was working on. You are so generous 96 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: that way, and quite honestly, not a lot of people 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: did you know. It's weird how people don't want to 98 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: they don't sometimes really want to get real. And that 99 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: always impressed me and it meant a lot to me. 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: And so my question really is with you know, having 101 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: the job you do, which is the chief content officer 102 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: for counting to ask you're so busy. How do you 103 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: make time for friends to give advice to people? How 104 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: does that come into your life in such a way. Well, 105 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: thank you for saying that. I really appreciate it. It's 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: I'm so lucky that I have the platform that I do, 107 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: and it does put me in a position to help 108 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: people and to connect people, and I get a huge 109 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: amount of pleasure, whether it's working with my chiefs of 110 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: content around the world or you, or whoever it may be, 111 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: in learning about their lives and what they're thinking and 112 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing, and if there is any way that 113 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: one can be helpful. I feel, you know, I had 114 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: amazing people that helped me when I was starting out, 115 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: and I think it's it doesn't require anything but one's time, 116 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's just so important to give when 117 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: people are rushing so madly. And I also think, particularly 118 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: right now, when things is so tough and we've all 119 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: come out of COVID and the world is in the 120 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: state that it's in, that to make time to help 121 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: and connect people if one can, is so important. I 122 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: also think it's really really important to be focused because 123 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: you can't do everything and you can't help everyone, so 124 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: you think about where you do have areas of expertise 125 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: or you can put people in touch that will be meaningful. 126 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: So I think being focused and being clear and also 127 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: being transparent people respond to that. I've worked in my 128 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: career with and for people that maybe haven't necessarily been 129 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: that clear, and it's incredibly frustrating. And I think as 130 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: long as people know it's a yes or it's a no, 131 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: or I can help you or I'm really sorry, I'd 132 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: love to help people I'm not able to is better 133 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: than pretending or faking. And so that's what I try 134 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: as much as possible to do because I have been 135 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: whether I am, when people have made promises or sort 136 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: of not been clear and what they're saying or doing, 137 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: and it's you just waste everybody's t time. I so 138 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: respect that about you. One of the things, too, that 139 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: you are so committed to are the charities in your 140 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: life and giving back and giving back. And you know, 141 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: I can remember when you really enlistened all the for 142 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: amphar with Bono to raise money for AIDS and got 143 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, everyone in New York really came out and 144 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: you and Tom recently created common Thread and also the 145 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: met Gala and I guess my question to you is, 146 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, kind of tell me a little bit about 147 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: Common Thread and the met galas so specific and it's 148 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: so beautiful and it's so wonderful, and it's and it's 149 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: privately funded and what you've done is so special. My 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: question with to you, what I've always wanted to know, 151 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: is really like, what are you protecting in that space? 152 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: Because it's important to protect it, and I just so 153 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: I just a question. I mean, obviously, the more philanthropic 154 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: endeavors that I can I think that I feel very 155 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: personally connected to. And if we had start with something 156 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: like the initiative or Common Threat that actually was an 157 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: extension of an initiative that Vogue in the Safeta started 158 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, which was called the Safety of 159 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: Volde Clashion Fund. It was such an extraordinary time and 160 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: I think all of us were lost and didn't know 161 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: what to do and how one could be helpful. And 162 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: I think it comes back to Edea being focused. I 163 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: saw all the young people in my office really struggling, 164 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: and I saw all the young designers because it happened 165 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: probably the reason people to remember this, but it happened 166 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: during the first day of a New York flashion Clashion Week, 167 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: and so as a result, no one was able to 168 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: show obviously, and many young designers lost their deposits. And 169 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: we over the following weeks, we've got so many calls, 170 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: so much we do, We've lost everything, and what we 171 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: do it was we put together a fashion show for 172 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: all the young designers, and Carolina Herrera was so generous 173 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: she gave us her showroom. We invited some members of 174 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: the press, we invited some TV stations, and we got 175 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: quite a bit of press around it. And out of that, 176 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: I realized how hand to mouth the life of a 177 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: young designer and knew what it was, and we launched 178 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: something called the CFDA, a fashion Fund, and we pinpoint 179 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: ten designers every every year that we're going to help 180 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: them mentor and find the right mentor for long term, 181 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: and also we give them a certain amount of funday. 182 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: So that's been an existence about twenty years now, and 183 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: when COVID hit, If you think about the calls that 184 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: we received, they an average year, there are many, but 185 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: they multiplied. So many people were struggling, didn't know what 186 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: to do and how could we help them. So we 187 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: decided to repurpose the Fashion Fund into a common thread, 188 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: and we went out, we raised some money and the 189 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: very first person that called me was Ralph Lauren and 190 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: he said, I hear you raising money to support young 191 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: American signers and I said, yes, rath ers right. He said, 192 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a million bollus just like that, 193 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: and I burst into tears because I was so moved 194 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: and that he called me personally, and there was no 195 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: questions about where was the money going. He just gave 196 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: to us. And so once that came out, we were 197 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: able to raise a great deal more and the CFET 198 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: and VOTE put together a committee and we allocated a 199 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: certain amount of money to I can't remember now, but 200 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: I think it was over a hundred designers that were 201 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: really in need for different from different levels of grants, 202 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: from small grants to large grants. So it was about 203 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: knowing that we could help, that this was an area 204 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: that we had expertise in that we were able to 205 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: not only support them financially, but put them in touch 206 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: with people that could help them. So we've now gone 207 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: back to the Fashion fun and actually we had a 208 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: meeting just yesterday to talk about how that Kononas is 209 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: much more global than we were a few years ago. 210 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: How we could look at the fashion farm from a 211 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: global perspective, having local chapters, but a global perspective. So 212 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: that's one thing that I do that involves all a 213 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Vogue and all of the CFTA and now hopefully blots 214 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: around the world. And then I obviously always been very 215 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: committed to causes that work with HIV, and during the 216 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: HIV crisis, it was just extraordinary at the time how 217 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: people just didn't want to talk about it and they 218 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: didn't want to support and it was something that obviously 219 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: within our community was very much discussed, but many many 220 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: people didn't. And the leader at the city at that 221 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: time was Carol in Rome and she was incredible, and 222 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: we got together as a group, Donna, Karen and Ralph 223 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: and Mark and Michael and Calvin, and we created something 224 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: called Samton Sale where it was like a big bazaar 225 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: and everybody came and they created a booth and they 226 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: sold fashion that was open to the public and we 227 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: raised millions and millions and it was also raised away. 228 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: So that has segued into now working with Michael on 229 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: God's Love We Deliver and Obviously Michael's done such an 230 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: incredible job broadening that delivers meals to people with all 231 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: kinds of an illness, is not just HIV. And in fact, 232 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: at the dinner, which was just last week, they were 233 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: talking about how they're doing so much work now with 234 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: people that are suffering from mental illness and have subie 235 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: mental health issues and can't leave the house or for 236 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: whatever reasons they need the food. And the food of 237 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: course is so important, but it's even the people that 238 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: just turn out every day, you know, just having human 239 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: connection contacts. But I also work. My ex husband was 240 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: chief of child psychiatry at Columbia and for many years 241 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: his subject was working with young people who had suicidal 242 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: tendencies and were suffering from severe anxiety and depression. And 243 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: about fifteen years ago he and I started to raise 244 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: money to create something called the Youth Anxiety Center, which 245 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: operates between Columbia and Cornell that supports research and treatment 246 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,239 Speaker 1: for young people that suffer from those three illnesses depression, anxiety, 247 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: and in the severest cases from young people that are 248 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: really quite concerned about them committing suicide. And obviously during 249 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: COVID that has become even more prevalent and important, and 250 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: you readers, I'm sure your listeners read about how mental 251 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: health has become such an issue among young people. So 252 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: those are three causes that I care about deeply and 253 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: that I feel through personal experiences I can actually be helpful. Amazing, 254 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: here's a woman that is a person so busy and 255 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: in between your running a business. But it just goes 256 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: back to the idea of focus. And obviously I get 257 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: a huge amount of support and help from people in 258 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: all those different areas. And I really want to emphasize 259 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: how Michael is really the leader of God's Love. I'm there, 260 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: but he's the one that leads that with the Youth 261 00:15:36,560 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Anxiety Center and the fashion founders are deeply personal. Welcome 262 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: back to Table for two. Well, we were talking with 263 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: Anna Winter about her great work with Common Thread and Amphar. 264 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: We're going to get back into that, but also the 265 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: MET gala and why it's so much more than just 266 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: a party. And then he asked me about the MET 267 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean and the MET Well that was because of 268 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: Oscar I mean Oscar de Laurento, who was my great 269 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: friend and whose wife and Annette Laurento is also a 270 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: great personal friend. They called me a million years ago 271 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: and said, would you ever consider helping the Customer Institute? 272 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I had been aware of the MET 273 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: and the what they did when I was first living 274 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: in New York. I was a junior editor at New 275 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: York Magazine, and I remember going to the MET when 276 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: I was there with someone called Henry Post, who was 277 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: my colleague a magazine who sadly died of AIDS and 278 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: was certainly one of the reasons that I wanted to 279 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: try and help at that time, and just being awed 280 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: by what missus Land had done, and it just seemed 281 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: it was lamorous evening i'd ever been at. And I 282 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: didn't go to the dinner. I couldn't aford to go 283 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: to the dinner. I was just at the cocktails of Henry. 284 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: But we had an amazing time. And so when an 285 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: Oscar called me because after missus Land was no longer 286 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: working with a museum, it's sort of there was no leadership, 287 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: or there wasn't as an involved with leadership us there 288 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: was so much vision, and asked me to see if 289 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: I could help. I mean, I really there was not 290 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: a grand plan. I just did it because if Oscar 291 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: called you always said yes, and I really was very naive. 292 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I think I didn't realize what I was stepping into, 293 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: and it just became something that I felt more and 294 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: more passionate about over the years, and obviously it came 295 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: more recently. Became so close with Andrew Bolton and so 296 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: love working with him and fill to support his later 297 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: vision and his mind and helped put a spotlight on 298 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: the amazing work he does me and itself. And it 299 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: just grew over the years. But I can't pretend that 300 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: there was a grand plan or a grand strategy. It 301 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: just it grew. I mean, and it has been twenty 302 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: five years. It's like it in the day. It's sort 303 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: of interesting because that's the organic truth of it. Yeah, 304 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: when something has has a life of its own. I 305 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: think what makes it such a spectacular night is it's 306 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: organic it has grown into and it's actually, you know, 307 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that I don't think it gets 308 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: enough credit for, at least that I've read, it's it's 309 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: an economic plus for the city. People come in, it's 310 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: all these sort of anslitnesses. Yeah, it's almost become a 311 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: week of celebration. Yes, I think what's really important to 312 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: note is that the cost and is to is its 313 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: own department within the museum, and everything that we raise 314 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: over the year, and particularly of course during that one night, 315 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: that is what supports it. It supports its acquisitions budget, 316 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: it's operating costs, the cost of the exhibition. We are 317 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: self funded, so we receive no funding at all from 318 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the musing itself. So that is sometimes an important point 319 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: that people don't necessarily realize. And of course raising the 320 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: money is so important, and putting a spotlight on exhibitions, 321 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: and I mean bringing a much broader language of fashion 322 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: to a broader public is incredibly important. But I do 323 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: want to say that it's supporting somebody like Andrew who 324 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: of us of all, he's so much fun, but he's brilliant, 325 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: and to watch how his mind starts to grapple with 326 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: the subject of an exhibition. I mean, I'm sure Brian 327 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: talks to you a lot about this in his role. 328 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: When you see a creative vision start to unfold and 329 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: put together all the different pieces and watch the storytelling 330 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: ham a reality like right now we're working on the 331 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: exhibition for May of twenty three, which is looking at 332 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: the normous body of work that Carlagha felt produced over 333 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: fifty five years. And obviously a lot of people associate 334 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: Carl with Chanelle and with Bendy, but he also worked 335 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: at two when he was in his twenties, who worked 336 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: at Valma, he worked at Chloe, He had his own 337 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: world at carlagha Felt, plus all these different collaborations. So 338 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: it's this ham a body of amazing work, and how 339 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: do you focus that into an exhibition at the visitors 340 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: understand sure? And seeing him find that throughline it was 341 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: really interesting. We just had the press conference in Paris, 342 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: and we had it at Carl's own library and studio, 343 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: which really if you think about Carl, you think about sketching, 344 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: and you think about books, and you think about tactile 345 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: things like paper and pen, and this amazing library is 346 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: like wall to all thousands and thousands of books. And 347 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: Carl when he would he was a great book giver, 348 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: but he would never send you one copy. He would 349 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: send you like ten copies. And I would of the 350 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: same boat, and I would say to cow boy, you 351 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: send ten copies. Don't you have ten libraries? And no, 352 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: like he had ten libraries all over the world, but 353 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: those are not many of us do that, And Andrew 354 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: was talking about how he had really channeled Harl's vision 355 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: and mind. He talked about a line of beauty from Poker, 356 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: and he talked about how he saw all these different 357 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: lines running through Carl's work, whether it was the serpentine 358 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: line or the classical line, and that came to him 359 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: from watching a little video of Carl actually sketching and 360 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: seeing Carl draw these sort of lines again and again, 361 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: and then when you look at it and you see 362 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: that line running through all of his work. So he 363 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: took fifty five years of work and he put it 364 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: into a way that you and I can actually understand 365 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: the genius of one Karl was doing, but how he 366 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: would go back again and again to the same look, 367 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: the same idea. And in a way, that's why Carl 368 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: at Chanel, I think was always so interesting because he 369 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: was contained in a way that he wasn't at some 370 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: of the other places that he worked at, by a 371 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: vocabulary of watch. Chanel stood for wow. So when Andrew's 372 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: when someone identifies that line, do you just when they 373 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: present it, do you feel it viscerally insane? Yeah? Well, 374 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: now now I understand what they're an exhibition can be 375 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's like, wow, can these enormous subjects be 376 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: boiled down into it a thought process that everybody can understand? 377 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: And I always say to Andrew when he comes up 378 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: with these ideas, if I don't get it in sixty seconds, 379 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm the public, no one will get it. And sometimes 380 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, that very deep intellectual mind will come up 381 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: with an idea, and I'm always trying to help him 382 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: think about how you can boil it down to an 383 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: idea that the general public will understand and want to go. 384 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's and you also, you know what you're 385 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: doing is I think you're you know, fashion tells the 386 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: story of life and history. It's a global language and 387 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: that is what is so amazing thing about those exhibitions. 388 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: And right, really the timing point was the McQueen show. 389 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that was just this extraordinary moment when he 390 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: died through such tragic circumstances. Andrew, and he was working 391 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: at that time with how codas his co curator, came 392 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: and said we want to do this exhibition. And I 393 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: think there was an interest in McQueen because of his 394 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: life and how he had unfortunately left us. And then 395 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: the exhibition was brilliant, and the visual side of the 396 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: exhibition was brilliant. I mean it just brought together all 397 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: of the designers thought processes and how he looked at 398 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: the costume and how he looked at the world. And 399 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: then of course the Princess of Wales was married and 400 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: a McQueen, and that was the Monday before the exhibition opened. 401 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: So there were all these forces fueling into this tight 402 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: in public interest. But we had no idea that it 403 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: was going to unleash this public interest in this exhibition. 404 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: And then when there were lines outside the museum every 405 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: night and then the last weekend, Andrew and I decided 406 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: we would go and sign catalogs that night because it 407 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: was going to be open till midnight. It was open 408 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: till midnight the last weekend, and it was so moving 409 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: to be there that evening that we were there, because 410 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: people stood in line six seven, eight hours to see 411 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: this show. And I remember there was one lady that 412 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: came up, and you know, I always say where did 413 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: you come from? And the people were coming from Australia 414 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: and Korea and from all over the world, and there 415 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: was one lady that came up and she was from 416 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: the South and she said, I've stood in line three 417 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: times to see this exhibition, and this time I stood 418 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: in line for six hours, and I would do it 419 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: all over again. And she must have been in her 420 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: eight Wow. And then you think this is why you're 421 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: doing it. You know it was. It was emotional and 422 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: moving and there was so many stories that I know. 423 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: We get a lot of attention around the party, but 424 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: we do it because of the black I will say, 425 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: I've had the good fortune of going to the party 426 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: and I seem to always get the dress wrong. I 427 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: think it's because I'm married to Brian Lord, who never 428 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: lets me. I'll tell you after Okay, so I have 429 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: some plan. Welcome back to the table, Level one. I 430 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: hope that you are enjoying our conversation with Anna Winter. 431 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: I know I am. And while I could talk about 432 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: the met galop all afternoon, I've got one question that's 433 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: been pressing. What's going on with men's fashion today? So 434 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. After watching the now release David Bowie 435 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: documentary his love of fashion and the expression of his 436 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: music through his clothes. Bowie was androgynous, and we find 437 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: ourselves in a time where men's fashion has shifted with 438 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: the likes of Harry Styles Quirmen combining tuxedos with ball gowns, jewelry. 439 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: What is happening in men's cushion. Well, it's so I mean, 440 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: obviously Bowie was so ahead of his time, and what 441 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: might have been a little bit shocking at that moment 442 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: is the norm now. And I think everything is so interconnected, 443 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: and I think the fashion industry in terms of inclusivity, 444 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: has been really ahead of the game. The way that 445 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: they embrace all genders and are not being combined by 446 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: rules or traditions. It's so exciting, but it's so great, 447 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: and we have designers like Tom Brown that have been 448 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: really head of the curve in that way, or going 449 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: back to me more Bowie's generation, Jean Paul Gautier, and 450 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: I see it in the office, you know, I remember 451 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: many years ago we used to have a young man 452 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: in the office that would wear dresses and high heels, 453 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: and we were fine with it at VOBA. Maybe other 454 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: departments would raise an eyebrow or two. Now Nobe even 455 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: thinks about it. It's just accepted. It's normal. And how 456 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: great is that everyone ought to be able to express 457 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: their own identity, their own personality. And that's one of 458 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: the great pleasures and joys about working in fashion is 459 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: that passion is about self expression and then this is 460 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: who I am, and maybe you're that one day and 461 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: you're something else the next. And I think because fashion 462 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: has such this huge platform now through social media or 463 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: events like the Metcalor or the Oscars or whatever it 464 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: may be. Although the Oscars could maybe be a little 465 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: bit all experimentale, I do think that. I do think 466 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the passion is a platform where people love to express themselves. 467 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: And how wonderful is that? It is amazing, um when 468 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: you and I find myself and for some reason, I'm 469 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: in the color that I know you don't really love, 470 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: which is all so not true. I love black, which 471 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: is not black all day every day. But I do 472 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: think what's so exciting is um and I dressed every 473 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: day in COVID like Brian would be in his office. 474 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: He would hear like the click any click of my 475 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: shoes and he'd be like, where are you going, And 476 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, we't just down to the hand of the kitchen. 477 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: But it was very important for me to sort of 478 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: put together what I wanted to wear, because I actually 479 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: set the tone for my day self respect, So I 480 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: love that I'm too others right, And how do you 481 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: represent yourself exactly super chic in your I don't know, 482 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: in your lat pans or whatever it may to be. 483 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you have to be in a suit, right, 484 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: It's just do you plan your look the night before 485 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: or you that know, when you wake up, that's how 486 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: you're feeling, right. It's more I'm a little bit not 487 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: that organize th but I you know, I like to 488 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: have a few things you were over and over and over. 489 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: And I think, particularly now when we're all so focused 490 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: on climate and sustainability, the idea that passion is disposable 491 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: is not something that anyone should be thinking about. You 492 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: should be thinking about things that can last. And I 493 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: keep talking to a lot of the designers about the 494 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: idea of why do you not have within your store's 495 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: vintage and vintage that is yours and you can talk 496 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: to your customers about why you know you're investing this 497 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: amount amount in a jacket or a bag or whatever 498 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: may be, but it lasts and then it becomes, you know, 499 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: part of your personal wardrobe and things that you might 500 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: give to your children or that you will wear over 501 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: and over. But this idea that you might want to 502 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: let things go, why keep them, invest in them, wear 503 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: them over and over, mix them in with new things. 504 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: So I think recycling, rethinking your wardrobe and going back 505 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: to things that you have a own for many years 506 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: is so important. I agree. I always feel too, with 507 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: the things that I have, there comes a time where 508 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: you don't really wear it, or there might be something 509 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: I absolutely love and I acquire knowing that it's just 510 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: not the moment for it yet, and then all of 511 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: the time it's a time will come exactly, it's time, 512 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: it will come. Well, you know. I also find in 513 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: regard to men's fashion, I find it really interesting and 514 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: you could speak to how fashion works the conflict of 515 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: the conservative moment we're in with people's rights being taken away, 516 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: and yet fashion is men's fashion is you know now 517 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: of the nature of this sort of androgynous way, And 518 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: I think of like when women left the fifties and 519 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: went into the sixties and everything got sure, how does 520 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: fashion play in line with well? I think the time 521 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: what we've been looking at is this idea that what 522 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: you wear, how you look, how you present yourself doesn't 523 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: have to be perfect and fake, you know, like it's 524 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: sort of airbrush out of all recognition that your clothes, 525 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: how you wear, how you present yourself. It's better to 526 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: look authentic and real and slightly imperfect because the world 527 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: that is not perfect. And I feel like a lot 528 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: of the more interesting collections that we just looked at 529 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: in during the month of shows reflected that, like it 530 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: made Maybe some of the close were a little bit 531 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: wrinkled or there were unfinished threads, but there was a 532 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: focus also of quality and craftsmanship, but it was it's 533 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: not a perfect world. And I felt the more interesting 534 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: designers they were optimistic collections that were many of them 535 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: were colorful, but they weren't like perfect. They weren't presenting 536 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: to the world as I'm perfect. It was sort of 537 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: more vulnerable and real and to the heart, if that 538 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: makes sense. It does make sense. I love that. And 539 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: when you see something like that, what does it feel 540 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: like to you when you go, Okay, this is where 541 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: we're going this season. But at this moment in time, 542 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I think everything right now is not about a season 543 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: or a month. It's like, how do you create cultural 544 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: moments and how can you create content that exists across 545 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: multiable platforms, and you're talking to audiences that read your 546 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: content in many different ways, whether they're looking at what 547 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: we create through social media or through video, or through 548 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: an event, or through print, or through one's philanthropic efforts, 549 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: multiple different ways. So how incredible is that you have 550 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: all these different paths to take and pull together. But 551 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: remember that you need a different way of talking to 552 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: those audiences depending on the platform. So if we're talking 553 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: about Okay, the world's a mess, it's imperfect, fashion is 554 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: reflecting that this is a cultural moment. How do we 555 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: talk to our audiences with our enormous reach globally across 556 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: all of our different platforms to talk about that to 557 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: make them feel connected. And the other thing is you 558 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: have to remember that you need to bring your audiences 559 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: with you. So we just did a show in September 560 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: called Vogue World because I felt very very much that 561 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: we could bring something to the idea of what a 562 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: show could be. A lot of fashion shows that would 563 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: be a little different for an audience that would show 564 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: kind of what was happening. I wanted it to be 565 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: very much reflect what I saw happening in New York 566 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: at that time, and a street culture that I saw 567 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: and that how could we blow this out across video 568 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: and social media and bring our audiences in, bring our 569 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: vote club members in, bringing it through live streaming. So 570 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 1: we did a show at the beginning of fashion Show 571 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: called Vogue World New York where we took over a 572 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: whole street in the meatpacking district and we had It's like, 573 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: what kind of gave me the idea was when walking 574 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: to Washington Square in the morning or coming back, and 575 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you go there in the daylight in 576 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: the summer, it's very different from when you go there 577 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: at night. But I wanted to bring it in. This 578 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: idea a central park at the weekend, where you see 579 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: people on bicycles, you see families, you see everyone doing 580 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: different color of sport. You know, everybody is wearing something different. 581 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: So this idea, there's a credible mix that you see 582 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: in New York. So we had this parade. It was 583 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: like dancers and models and every now and again you 584 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: would see a celebrity. You know, was that me, Sugarishop, Yes, 585 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: it was. You know. It was this amazing cultural mix 586 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: and it was very joyous and it created that cultural 587 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: moment across all of our platforms. But it wasn't a 588 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: traditional idea of content, like it's got to be a 589 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: cover story or it's got to be the met It was. 590 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: It was a different introach, and I think that's how 591 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 1: we all have to think about our content right now. 592 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: It's like what is meaningful to your world? And how 593 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: can you create a moment that people are going to 594 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: relate to? And I think you see people like tips 595 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: so much just that it felt very real and very authentic. 596 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: It didn't feel too drenched in celebrity, it didn't feel unattainable. 597 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: It felt joyoush and hopeful, and we ended would stop 598 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: into with Serena, you know, she opened the wrong way 599 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: and we ended with a little less so were there 600 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: were those celebrity moments, but it also reflected a moment 601 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: that we knew was happening in New York, whether it 602 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: was cinema or theater or dance. I think, you know, 603 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: authenticity is really the key, the key to it all. 604 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: It's the authenticity that people just are responding to what 605 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: they want to see on their plant basis. Yes, exactly 606 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: so this brings me miss Winter. But what you referenced 607 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: earlier was your love of theater, and I know you 608 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: love theater. You do more for theater New York than 609 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: most realized. You placed theater actors in Vogue way before 610 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: their celebrities, hence marketing them and therefore positioning theater in 611 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: a very important role. There's no other magazine that does that. 612 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: And be your daughter loves theater and works in theater, 613 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: and it's it's a family. It's a family that really 614 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: comes from from my dad, who was a Fleet Street 615 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: editor in London and we grew up going to the 616 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: theater and he launched something called the Evening Standard Theater Awards. 617 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: He was the editor Even Standard for many many years, 618 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: and it just was a way of life in our family, 619 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: and we had playwrights in the house, journalists in the house. 620 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: It was just an extension of culture. And I think 621 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: that the British particularly have a deep, deep love of 622 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: the theater, whether it's what we're taught Shakespeare, that we're 623 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: taught at school, whatever it may be. But it's much 624 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: more accessible, to be honest, in London than that it 625 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: is sadly here in New York. I really have to 626 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: credit my dad and my mother loved the theater as well, 627 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: and remember being taken as a young girl to strap 628 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: it on event to see A Midsummer Night's Dream. And 629 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: my mother told me many years later that I have 630 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: this vision of Tatiana being this lovely, young, wonderful girl, 631 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: and she said, actually was. She was probably pushing sixty. 632 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: But you know, as an eight year old, there was 633 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: just a romance to it that always stays, stays with you, 634 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: and going to see Shakespeare in the Park or Peter Pan, 635 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, they just stay with you because there's 636 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: something about being in the room, having the physical contact. 637 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: And I talked to my as, I'm sure you do 638 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: your active friends. I mean they go back to the 639 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: theater again and again because there's something about having that 640 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: audience response that is very different from and I don't film. 641 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: I loved film, but it's a different experience. It is 642 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: a great war that I think describes you in what 643 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: is also sort of all aspects of your life, which 644 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: is romance. Yeah, and that you see the romance in 645 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: New York, you see the romance in the theater, you 646 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: see the romances everything. Now that I'm really looking at you, 647 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: the romance of the life that you create for all 648 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: of us, it's amazing. Well, thanks, it really is you're very, 649 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: very kind of And I've just been incredibly lucky and 650 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: incredibly lucky in my family and the people that have 651 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: helped me and the teams that I have working with 652 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: me in the worlds that I have learnt to know, 653 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: and I do. I really consider myself so fortunate and 654 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: that I had that experiences as a young girl, seeing 655 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: how excited my dad was by journalism and how important 656 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: the truth was to him. And my brother is political 657 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: editor diplomatic editor on The Guardian, my sister in law 658 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: as a political writer, and my nieces and nephew, the 659 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: ones that are old enough work in the theater. My 660 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: daughter works in peered At. My son, of course, is 661 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: an amazing doctor, but he works in mental health. So 662 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: somehow everything remains. That's sort of very unique, I mean 663 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: in your father of being such an influence because you're 664 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: in the family business. Going back to your word romance, 665 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean going to visit him as a as a 666 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: child in Bleach Tree and seeing those old printing presses 667 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: and the guys I'm mostly like White Adam a movie 668 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 1: with advisers, and you know they had to get hold 669 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: the presses, all that stuff. I grew up with that 670 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: and the man that he worked for calling him at 671 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning because it was breaking news 672 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: and for some reason, the foam was in my bed. 673 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: I would be the one that would go upstairs and 674 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: talent such and such a that's happened. So I mean 675 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: that that stays with you and it's it's so exciting. 676 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: So you bring up politics, and I've had such good 677 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: fortune to have dinner with you, with Brian where we 678 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: get to be real and we just can talk. And 679 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm always struck by your up to the second knowledge 680 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: of political races and candidates and we're not here to 681 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: talk about candidates, but being English, you're you know, Damed, 682 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: it's a big deal. Why are you so committed to 683 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: our democracy? And where does that come from? Well, it 684 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: goes back to growing up with journalism. I'm seeing my 685 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: father and the people that we had frequently in house, 686 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: mostly journalists, being so committed. And the political landscape reflects 687 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: our times, it reflects our culture, and I know I 688 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: was very lucky in that my my family and still 689 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: values in all of us. You know, you can't live 690 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: your life under the shadow, but I do think you 691 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,479 Speaker 1: are shaped by your up ring I'm sure you must 692 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: reveal that and what you're exupposed to and politics is 693 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: just what was discussed at home. And I find what's 694 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: happening right now in many ways so deeply disturbing to 695 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: see how polarizing her politics have become, and how truth 696 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: has not seems to be meaningless and eyes of many, 697 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: and so anything that all of us can do in 698 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: our own small ways to help reshape that conversation, I 699 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: think for the sake of our children, our grandchildren and 700 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: generations to come. As our lunch today with Anna comes 701 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: to a close, I want to thank all of you 702 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: for falling up a chair. I know Anna has to 703 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: get back to work. So there's just one little question 704 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: I have for her. I guess, Anna, as we sort 705 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: of wrap it up, what brings you joy? My children, 706 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: my children, my grandchildren. I mean, there's in the end, 707 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: it's thick, it's family. It's family, obviously, It's I mean, 708 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: I love I love my work. I love the work 709 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,919 Speaker 1: I do with Andrew at the museum. Obviously that's super 710 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: important to me. But you know, in the end, it's 711 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: it's it's you, it's your family. And then, on a 712 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: more simplistic and less complicated. You know, love my gardens. 713 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: You know I love the joy of watching a great 714 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: tennis match, So I love a great performance. I mean, 715 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,720 Speaker 1: I I have so much respect when I see people 716 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: who are completely dedicated to what they do and do 717 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: it extremely well. I mean I I'm asked a lot 718 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: about someone like Roger feder who's been a friend of 719 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: mine for so many years. And watching Roger play on 720 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: the court with so much grace and elegance and style 721 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 1: and talent, you know, that is to me that that's 722 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: seeing someone who is the best at what they do. 723 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: That that's joy. And if I can help with her 724 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: it standards or politics, or theater, or mental health or 725 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: any of the things that we've been having this wonderful 726 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: discussion about, if I can help in any way put 727 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: any kind of a spotlight on that, then that certainly 728 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: gives me joy. Your description of Roger Federer, who I 729 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: also agree, is a description of yourself. You are elegant, 730 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: You are filled with grace, You are incredibly wise and generous, 731 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: and I can't thank you enough for pulling up a 732 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: cheer today and having lunch with me. It means everything. 733 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, Bruce. You've been so kind and generous to 734 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: me and I so appreciate it. Table for Two with 735 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: Bruce Bozzi is produced by iHeartRadio seven three seven Park 736 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: and Airmail. Our executive producers are Bruce Bozzi, Jonathan Hollis 737 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: Dressler and Nathan King. 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