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Visit audible dot com, slash I 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: heart or text I Heeart to five hundred five hundred 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: My next day, he said, twelve, we're ruckords doing his 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: eighteen year track and field career and it's at five 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: time USA Track and Field Olympians when in ten Olympic medals, 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: competing that four Olympic Games, non Olympic gold medals, one 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Olympics Civil medals from four to nineteen, as well as 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: eight World Championship gold medals. He's one of the greatest 34 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: athletes in the history of modern sports, named Sportsman of 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: the Century by the I o C. Please, welcome to 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: money making conversation. My man, call Louis, Hey, how are 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: you doing? Oh? I like that background? Hey, call call 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: call see let's a Car, I just couldn't introduce you. 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: I had to introduce you well you know, and I'll 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: take that withe on the road. How about that? I mean, 41 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: you know something, and uh, you know, it's funny that 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: we're on the phone because you know, when you when 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: you're school for seven years, you can't get to meet everybody. College. 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Car was at the college when I was at college 45 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: and University of Houston. We both went the University Houston 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: well and also congratulations on university used to repeating as 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: track and field tampion for the men's team. Right, well, 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: yet we we treated we we um double double. We 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: won't indoor it outdoor the last two years and um, 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: we're really excited. The guys really stepped up and uh 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: they they their whole ideas that they still like the championship, 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: the conference championship is there to protect. It's like, no, 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: this is our no matter what house we're in, we're 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: gonna protect it. And the guys really did, especially since 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: we were at home, they were to protected this house. 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Now now they wanted into and a facility named after 57 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: you to call Lewis facility, right, yeah, And it's kind 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: of it's kind of weird when you're looking at it 59 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: running up to it. Um, everybody in the conference was like, Okay, 60 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: he's sitting there coaching. They have the best team in 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: the conference. And then it's a Leroy Barrel who's the 62 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: head coach scoreboard and the Tom Toles track at the 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: car Lewis Complex. It was like, these guys are like, 64 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? We was just handed over. 65 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's like a bus doll of walking into 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Now he's the head coach as a track team. Not 67 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: called you look like you was there? Great? And when's 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the championship now? Le roy Le? Well, you know what 69 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I tell you? People ask me, you know, how do 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: I keep my fitness and I just tell them I've 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: been hungry since nine to keep it simple. Yeah, it's 72 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a tough challenge, but it's 73 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: something I want to do. You know. My thing is that, Um, 74 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: I go around the world. I speak. I just just 75 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, I was in Saudi Arabia doing a 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: conference and and I want to make sure when I 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: go places people remember, you know people when I walk 78 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: into a room, I want people to kind of go back. 79 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: And my thought is always, um, whether it's our times 80 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: or the racist It's kind of like an old song 81 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: and everyone knows when that song comes on, it takes 82 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: you back to that moment. And so if I can 83 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: keep the same look and the feeling and the same 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: energy when I walk into a room where I present myself, 85 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: I want people to go back to that moment. I 86 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: don't want to to think about it now. I wanted 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: to say, hey, I remember that time when he was 88 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: running down there and we all feel good. Man. I'm 89 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: gonna tell you something because I saw him a year ago, 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: was at a banquet. We said, at the same table together, 91 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: and he does look fantastic. And the thing that I 92 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: really respect because you know, when you do these interviews, 93 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: you have to do a little research. And so I 94 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: knew he was from Weirsboro, New Jersey. That's where he 95 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: attended high school, and he came down to the University 96 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: of Houston. But what I didn't know was really, you 97 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: from the South. Oh yeah, yeah. I was born in 98 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Birmingham and my mother was born in Gaston, Alabama. Father Montgomery, 99 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: and our whole family was from Alabama. So we I'm 100 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: from the South. We we kind of moved to the 101 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: north and sixty three. Um, like a lot of people 102 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: immigrated north. And I remember my mother telling me, I 103 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: found out that my sister was making more teaching than 104 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: she was because my parents teachers uh Tuskegee graduates. That's 105 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: where they met and m hpc U in the house 106 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: and so, um, she found they were making more in 107 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: the north. And so you know, they were fighting a 108 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: big fight and heavily involved in civil rights down there, 109 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and they just said, you know, we've done our job 110 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and let's just move forward and get a better job, 111 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: better thing for our children. I'm gonna I'm gonna say 112 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: something now. I don't want you to take this negative 113 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: because you're because you're you're superstar in the track and 114 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: field world, and man, you sound so engaging. It sounds 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: like a guy I would walk up to and just 116 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: just want to have a conversation. We're on this phone. 117 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: Did you get that, DoD You get people because you've 118 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: been such you're a global talent and you're superstar that 119 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: people see you have perception of a person that you 120 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: can't come up to or am I misreading something, No, 121 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a combination. I think people 122 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: are automatically think that, um, oh my gosh, you you're known, 123 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: so I should stand offish, but you know, my energy 124 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: is Look, look, the reality is that I I started 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: off and I wasn't a great athlete. I was a 126 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: late bloomer, um, very late boomer, and it didn't really 127 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: happen to the end of high school. And I went 128 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: to college and obviously had my success. But but I 129 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: wake up every every day thankful. I mean, can you 130 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: imagine someone who says I'd love to run one day, 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: and and then I get up and I run fast, 132 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: I jumped far, and I've been able to parlay this 133 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: into a life and a career. I wake up thankful. 134 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: So even though they're tough times and challenging days, I 135 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: only let that go for a minute, though, because I'm 136 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: thankful that i could be who I am, Thankful that 137 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: I've been given this amazing God given talent, Thankful for 138 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: the people around me, Thankful for parents that were wonderful, 139 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Thankful for my father who was a great role model, 140 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: and my mother who was who was a great role model. 141 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: So I so at the end of the day, I 142 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing for me to even giving energy off to. 143 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you can frustrate and tired. But then 144 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: I checked myself, you know, and when I get too long, 145 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I go to the mirror and just talk about first 146 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: to get it together, you know, call the interesting thing 147 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: about reason. I'mill giving you a little history of here 148 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: because I want people to remember how great this man was. 149 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: He is, I want to say us. I apologize for 150 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: saying was is. And also he said something that he 151 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: was a late bloomer, which means that he didn't suddenly 152 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: just jump out and then jump for Bran two hundred 153 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and one hundred. It was a crap that he has 154 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: to learn. And also before we get into the reason 155 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: why money making conversations while you're in here, because we're 156 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: gonna talk about the perfect, perfect method dot net is 157 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: is what made you really focus into the track and 158 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: field arena and and and make you blossom into this 159 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: special talent that uh that blessed us all on the 160 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: on the world stage. Well it really starts. My My 161 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: story starts probably a hundred years ago with my grandfather 162 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: who supported my mother and my mother went to Tuskeg 163 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: Institute with with a scholarship some money to go to 164 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: college for track and field, and in those days, you know, 165 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: you had to work and work in the field. And 166 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: my father, Um, my grandfather said, hey, if you're gonna 167 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: be seen and in college wants you, I'll make it. 168 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I'll figure out a way for you to go to college. 169 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: And then my father went went to uh, the military, 170 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: and then he was able to use the g I 171 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: bill and go to college. And that's where it starts. 172 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: So I would be remiss if I didn't thank my 173 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: grandfather for being having a foresight and my grandmother to 174 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: say to allow my mother to go to college. And then, uh, 175 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: they they're my coaches. Um. They started a track club 176 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: because my mother wanted to track and field for girl 177 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: girls did not have track program, so she started for 178 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: girl boys going and so I was I was trained 179 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: by them, and a lot of people don't know. My 180 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: mother made the Olympic team in nineteen fifty two. He 181 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: went he Um, it's an amazing story. Rosa Parks was 182 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: a good friend of hers and Dr King was a 183 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: family friend and they did this. They were involved in 184 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement. My mother even met um Eva 185 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: Perone because she went to Argentina down in the early fifties. 186 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, so she's just been all over and just 187 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: just an amazing They raised us with that rich history 188 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: of being the best that you can be. And then 189 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: I watched them as track coaches, as public school teachers, um, 190 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: give their lives to the community. And that's why I 191 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: was raised so um when they kept telling me my 192 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: whole life, when I wasn't really doing well, just just 193 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: be the best you can be. So I was learning 194 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: the craft in age place. So when my talent, my 195 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: body started to grow and catch up with my talent, 196 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I had already learned the class. 197 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: But they, but they, they really taught me to just 198 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: keep going and not to quit, to believe myself even 199 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: though you're gonna have tough times, focus on your excellent 200 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: and focus on being the best you can be. And 201 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: that's what I did. And then when I became successful, 202 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: it made it easier to last because I never focused 203 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: on winning, always focused on being excellent, being the perfect me. 204 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: And that's what kept me going for so long. Let 205 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: me tell you so, I've been a fan of Paul 206 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Lewis to track Superstar. Today I'm a fan of car 207 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: those demand you know. I love doing this show because people, 208 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: as you always give us. We found out things we 209 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: didn't know about an individual. And I think it's important 210 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: when you pull back the curtain that they are individuals. 211 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: That's what money making conversations is about. Because these people 212 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: are bringing a product now online training service that he's 213 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: providing to anybody who wants to improve their well, well, 214 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: they're worth and amateur athletics. Please tell them about the 215 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: perfect net perfect method dot net that you've come up with. Well, 216 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: the perfect method is it's kind of been over a 217 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: number of years and basically it started a few years ago. 218 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: As I drive down the street, I started riding my bike, 219 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: UM for fitness. I don't run anymore, which kind of 220 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: shocks people. But I write my I never read a call, 221 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: so guess what's right? Right exactly? When when I run slow? 222 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: It's not treaty, so you be you lucky anyway. But 223 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: but I see people running and I said, gosh, look 224 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: at that person. I wish I could help them run better, 225 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: do better. UM. And then I became a college coach 226 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of the high school kids are coming 227 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: to school and and they're missing the fundamental And then 228 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: my mother was a specialification teacher. I realized pe is 229 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: being pulled out of school, so kids are not getting 230 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: the basics they used to get. And and then all 231 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: these things which is kind of building inside of me. 232 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: And then one day someone approached me and said, hey, 233 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: would you do learn by doing running video? And I thought, 234 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's like so nineties. You know you 235 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: don't do the or you know, what do you? How 236 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: do you do it? Now? It's real time? You know, 237 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: my my um my son was twenty years old and 238 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: I see him on the phone all the time. I 239 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: see the kid. So I said, why don't we do something? 240 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: But we can teach everyone on earth to run better, 241 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: but we have to go to them. And then we 242 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: came up with the perfect method dot net because it's 243 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: okay to want to be perfect, the perfect you. And 244 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: so now with this subscription based program with bringing the 245 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: best coaches, the best ideas started with my coach coach 246 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: to laughing people and anyone that has ideas that can 247 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: that can bring it in. Um it's in real time 248 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: for your computer, your tablet or your phone, so it's 249 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: with you all the time. You know, when I went 250 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: when I was growing up and I don't had to 251 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: learn something, Um, I had to go to encyclopedias and 252 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: look it up and read through it. And then when 253 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: I was in college micro fish. Now I'm aging myself. 254 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: But now the history of the world is in everyone's palm, 255 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: So why can't we get put this information in the 256 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: palm of their hands. Okay, call, we set the stage up, 257 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: about to go to break. So coming back, we're gonna 258 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: talk more about the perfect method, how you can get 259 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: engaged in the perfect method he just told you for 260 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: everyday people. For more importantly, if you got a sun 261 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: or anybody trying to understand the dynamics of running, then 262 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: this is a program for you. We were right back 263 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: with Carl Lewis on the pall, my man Olympic tapping 264 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: to make conversation to be right back. Hey brother, I 265 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: hope you have to get that call. Can I tell 266 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: you this, man? Yea, let's not make this the last 267 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: cause that all right with you? Oh? Absolutely? I'm always 268 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: available because the thing about it is that when I 269 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: when I invite people into my show, it's a little 270 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: bit different than most shows they do because I'm more engaging. 271 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: Bus I don't play no music, so they can just 272 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: call we gotta go to the song called Me right back. 273 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, so call he's gonna talk about minutes with 274 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: me because what he has something to say. And that's 275 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: where you pull back the layers. You find out this 276 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: guy is just like me, and I want people to 277 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: understand that he doesn't have to do this. He is 278 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: all this information stored up and he's telling you, guess what, Yes, 279 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: I want all these medals. Yes, but you can be 280 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: special too that if you learn how to do the 281 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: techniques right. So phill a man a little bit more 282 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: on the perfect net perfect method dot net. Well, you know, 283 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: if you look at it, let's just look, let's just 284 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: look at it, feel it back. Like you're saying more 285 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: so even deeper than just sports, um just s if 286 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: you're I K runner, you just run casual. This is 287 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: about This is about family. What a family can get 288 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: together and learn how to run better. Because you know, 289 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: the vast majority of people that are going to use 290 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: the program are not going to be sports or athletes. 291 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: Because we have millions of casual runners that run today 292 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: in five case ten cave marathons all around the world. 293 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Well guess what if they all learn how to run better, run, 294 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: they would run a faster time. I mean think about 295 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: the math teacher that that's a track coach, because there's 296 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: no pe coach that can take that role, or the 297 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: or the like I said, or the parents. But but 298 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: what it is is it's it really comes down to 299 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: understanding how to do the basis fundamentals. And so the 300 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: perfect method teaches you to basic fundamentals. And as we 301 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: all know, running is the fundamental to almost every sport. 302 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: So we we're we're running and that's the basis, but 303 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna be branching out and adding components in all 304 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of sports already talking about uh different sports, even cycling, 305 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: because you know what, we're triathlons or volleyball or baseball, 306 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: all these things come in. And I think the biggest 307 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: thing is that we have to teach people there is 308 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: a correct way to run. There's one fundamental correct way. 309 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how tall are short, um you are, 310 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: There's there's a way to run. And everyone can run faster. 311 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: It's just that everyone can't be fast, but everyone can 312 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: run faster. And well, you know that's key because I'm 313 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna can't run fast category, well you know what I'm 314 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm definitely in the run faster than I could category 315 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: now because not as fast as I could before. They 316 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: look good. We got the picture showing up you on 317 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: this three man. You look like you can still sprint 318 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: up hard. You know what. I here's the thing I 319 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: tell people all the time, I just have to look 320 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: because you think I can do it anyway. Look good, 321 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: just just look good. You just look good sprinting that 322 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: right right? Good good. Let's know, abou a partnership that 323 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: you have with the Amateur Athletic Union. Well, we have 324 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: a partnership with the a AU Amage Athletic Union, and 325 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: it's it's exciting for me. Number one, mother ran for 326 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the AU back in the forties and fifties and that's 327 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: what that's what it was. It was only the AU 328 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: and then in the early seventies and through the nineteen 329 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: seventies that's what I ran. I ran a you all 330 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: the way through the national eighties groups starting at nine 331 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: years old. And for us to come back and have 332 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: a partnership where we can teach these kids, um how 333 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: to run the best they can or how to move 334 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: and multiple sports is amazing. You know when I was 335 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, um, I met John Carlos 336 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: because John Carlos tried out for the Thirdelphi Eagles and 337 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: he was in the area and he had a home 338 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: in the area where I used to wear the living 339 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: grown New jerseys. Right so he Um, my mother is 340 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: to introduced me to John Carlos. My father introduced me 341 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: to Jeff the Owens. Um. I had these amazing opportunities 342 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: to meet these just larger than like people that inspired 343 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: me and so here I here we are. But that 344 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: had I had to do that. I had to go 345 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: meet them and touched their hand and see them and 346 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: then go back and and go to a dictionary and 347 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: look up their story. Well, nowadays we can bring all 348 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: of this and right to everyone's phone, so so I 349 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: can talk to all these kids and give them the advice. 350 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: You know, we have webinars, we have blogs. Uh, we 351 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: do uh anything. And and the biggest thing about the 352 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: Perfect Method, it's two way. You know. I have a 353 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: team called Perfect Method post Collegiate and everyone has a story. 354 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: You know. I have an athlete when I coach at 355 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: the University of Houston, when he came in, he did 356 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: a blog. His name is was Shaan Collins. He's running. 357 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: He's one of the hottest sprayers in the world right now, 358 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: and and he is. He gave a blog about really 359 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: talking about buying in about a young athlete who needs 360 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: to just you know, sometimes there's a reason why you 361 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: have two ears and one mouth because you listen and 362 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: believe you know, you can be afraid to try something different, 363 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: but but you can't. You can't shouldn't be afraid, uh 364 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: to put yourself out there. And and a lot of 365 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: times that it doesn't work because people are like, oh, 366 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: what if it doesn't happen, what if I can't do it? Well, 367 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: if you're that but you're not gonna be successful, you 368 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: have to try. We all know. And you're talking about business, 369 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: um no one, no business comes out and someone just says, oh, 370 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: here's a great idea. I just started the first time. 371 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. But even inventors and everyone 372 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: I tell you, they failed probably more times ten times 373 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: more than they ever succeeded. It's the person that is 374 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: willing to persevere and keep trying a new idea or 375 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: coming bright with something else and and staying at it. 376 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: And if you have to raise more money to start again, 377 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: you do that. That's really what the perfect method is 378 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: that it's about It's about saying it's okay to try 379 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: to be perfect, but and just keep going again. Get 380 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: all the information. And you know what, one thing I 381 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: tell people, if you think what you're doing is incorrect, 382 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: you can help me just as much as a people 383 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: that know it, because you know what, there may be 384 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: someone else that's doing an incorrect like you, and they'll 385 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: search your idea and then we could guide into the 386 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: correct way as well. Call Now, there was three key 387 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: areas that I was doing my little you know, I'm 388 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: a research act. I got no I'm doing. Let's talk 389 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: about physical readiness including condition, exercise, and nutrition. Also technical 390 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: skills to compete at their best, and mental preparations. I 391 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: think we were talking to a couple of things there. 392 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: We talked about everyday people, but we also talking about 393 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: trained athletes. Correct, am I right? Let's talk about the 394 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: mental preparation for the trained athlete. Well, I think the 395 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: biggest thing is that UM in sports or in anything, 396 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I think people are too emotional UM and the mental preparation. 397 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: Everyone's emotion about it and they get psyched up and 398 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: everything else. Well, you know, psyching up doesn't win races. 399 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: Focus does, Precision does and and the mental preparation is 400 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: just allowing you to channel that energy. You know. I 401 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: when when I used to go to competition, I never 402 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: went there trying to win the race. I went there 403 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: trying to perform something that I could do. I had 404 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: no control of the gold medal, but I control about performing. 405 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: So if if I if I go in and I 406 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: knew a performance had to be, let's say nine nine 407 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: zero and a hundred, we win it. I focused on 408 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: the nine nine zero, and so every single day was 409 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: can you how do you run nine nine zero? Instead 410 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: of saying I hope I win the gold medal, and 411 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: and then sometimes that works. Now it's for the funny 412 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: thing about that nine times, Um, I was able to 413 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: win gold medals. You mentioned that earlier, and I lost 414 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: a silver medal in Soul, Korea. Well, the interesting thing 415 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: about it is I went into Soul saying, UM, going 416 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: for four events, and I said, you know what if 417 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: I were in nineteen eight zero, I can win this 418 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: two hundred meters. Well guess what, Um, the guy that 419 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: won it ran nineteen seven five, but I ran nineteen 420 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: seven nine. So I walked away saying I didn't win 421 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: this gold medal. But I did what I came to. 422 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: This guy had a tremendous uh personal best. He ran 423 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: the race of his life. Rand phenomenal. But sometimes you 424 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: can't beat that. But I walked away with my head high. 425 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: We did a lap together because I did what I 426 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: came to do. Focus on what you control on. That's 427 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: the thing about the mental preparation. Prepare yourself. You know, 428 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: I see a lot of kids now with earphones and 429 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: everything in their power songs, and I gotta slap myself up, 430 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: and I tell them, you know, how you psyche yourself up. 431 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: The way you're ready on Saturday is you know, you 432 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't go to a test and not study, and then 433 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden I go Saturday and say, oh 434 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I need my my music on. So you actually sit 435 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: down and you study and you prepare. So that's the 436 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: mental preparation and and and helping you manage how do 437 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: you prepare to be your best that day to make 438 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: do something that makes you proud of what you've accomplished. Now, 439 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: this is the part that don't don't want to hear 440 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: the nutrition Paul, the diet. See I'm a sweet potato 441 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: pie guy, peach cobbler guy. So I'm that's why I'm saying, 442 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: that's why I'm still running slow. But let's talk about 443 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: the nutrition aspect of what you get when you go 444 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: to the Perfect Method dot net. Well, first of all, 445 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: they say you already you eat, and the reality is 446 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: that it starts with moderation. I mean, you don't have 447 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: to eliminate everything. But the Perfect Method gives you a 448 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: guidance on what to eat. You can also check, um, 449 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: check your body to see what you're missing, maybe to nutrition, 450 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: mineral things like that that you're missing that could help 451 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: you metabolize better. But there but when it really breaks 452 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: down to it, um, anyone can out eat exercise. So 453 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: it's not just about your diet. Your diet is a 454 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: important component of it. But um, but you have to 455 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: confine that with your exer because if you want to 456 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: if you want to keep yourself in good shape. But 457 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: that's just anything, you know. When I when I talk 458 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: to athletes, you have to give up something to be successful. Um, 459 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: it's just just the way in life. I mean successful 460 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: people they say, oh my goodness, gracious, you don't do this. 461 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: You weren't there. You weren't there. Well, I was trying 462 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: to be successful you know, I'm fifty five years old, 463 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: and in my twenties I worked really hard. I traveled 464 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: the world. I didn't party when we were on the 465 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: road for competitions. I stayed in my room. Um uh. 466 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: In high school, like I went to my prom two 467 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: hours late, I didn't go into school crypt. I missed 468 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: all the parties. But you know what I tell people now, 469 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: I give them. It's just you have to give something 470 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: to get something. Call. I want to thank you man 471 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: for calling. Man. I'm a fan brother, and you you 472 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: call me, I'll come on any time. I love it 473 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: and great talk to you again. And uh anytime you 474 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: called me, I'm gonna SKay perfect method dot net. 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