Speaker 1: Maybe it's that Easter. The question is should Christians celebrate Easter?
Speaker 2: I'm going to start with, do you think because this
Speaker 2: is in the last fifty years, that question has asked
Speaker 2: more now than it ever has been. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about a hundred years or tw hunred year. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the last fifty That question our lifetime, our lifetime. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that question has resurfaced. Who do you think is the
Speaker 2: louder voice right now on if Christians should celebrate Easter?
Speaker 2: And I say it that specific way, I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about resurrection Sunday. I'm talking about the word Easter. Should
Speaker 2: celebrate it in the way that well, there's ways that
Speaker 2: we could celebrate it, you know, there's like levels of celebration.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that. True, But who do you think
Speaker 2: is a louder voice? The people against what we're saying
Speaker 2: are the people for it?
Speaker 3: You mean, against celebrating Easter? Yes, yeah, against I think right,
Speaker 3: I think just because the question is that that's the
Speaker 3: louder voice. The question is should you celebrate Easter? That
Speaker 3: means that everybody's going, well, I don't know, should we
Speaker 3: celebrates Let's talk about that And that's and that's the
Speaker 3: louder one right now, yea, yeah, and I think it
Speaker 3: goes in waves. Yeah, and I'm not sure that it's
Speaker 3: one time over last fifty years. I've heard several times,
Speaker 3: but it's probably the loudest right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So growing up, do you celebrate Easter?
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, And I thought, honestly as a kid, it
Speaker 3: was the most Jesus holiday that we celebrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean the.
Speaker 2: Yes speak like just thinking about the what the holiday means.
Speaker 2: The resurrection is, the is the hinge of the of
Speaker 2: all humanity. The birth of Christ is only pointing towards that. Sure,
Speaker 2: and the birth is one instance. He had his birthday
Speaker 2: and it was over. That's Christmas, right, And then with
Speaker 2: Easter you have it. Depending on what faith.
Speaker 3: You are, you may have been celebrating for the last
Speaker 3: month and half not eating certain things or giving something
Speaker 3: up with lint, and then on Fridays going to McDonald's
Speaker 3: and having your fish sandwiches and what have you, and
Speaker 3: then doing a good Friday something and then doing a Sunday.
Speaker 3: So that's why I say I think it was the
Speaker 3: most centered in the word than any other holiday we celebrated,
Speaker 3: especially including Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you look at the creation of the universe,
Speaker 2: it was always pointing toward the resurrection of the God Man,
Speaker 2: the Christ, the Messiah, who would come to save the
Speaker 2: world for those that look to him for forgiveness. So
Speaker 2: every miracle, every god movement, including the birth of Christ
Speaker 2: on Christmas, was always pointing towards this, this, this celebration.
Speaker 2: So when I just say it that way, you think,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't we celebrate that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: And the quick answer before we get into our stuff,
Speaker 2: and I guess the outline of this will be, well,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this, We'll go back and forth on
Speaker 2: on some history. We'll talk about the how accurate that
Speaker 2: history even can be that we could know it as history,
Speaker 2: and we'll then we'll end, we'll end with our opinions,
Speaker 2: which I don't know what yours is.
Speaker 1: You know what mine is.
Speaker 2: So so we'll start with this.
Speaker 1: There are.
Speaker 2: I guess there are, like you said, it comes in waves,
Speaker 2: and there are many people that would say we should
Speaker 2: celebrate the resurrection every Sunday.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, we should celebrate it every day. We
Speaker 1: shouldn't say Sunday.
Speaker 2: I just in terms of the gathering of the people,
Speaker 2: we should we should celebrate it every day. Seventh Day
Speaker 2: Adventists will be like, you should celebrate on Saturdays. But
Speaker 2: that's that's another podcast for another time, and we could
Speaker 2: be happy to walk through that as well, which is
Speaker 2: another good question. But should we celebrate the resurrection every day?
Speaker 1: Start with that?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, yes, of course, without question.
Speaker 2: Easy, that's an easy I think we made the easy argument.
Speaker 2: The whole world is centered around that. Did you get
Speaker 2: out of bed? Did he leave the grave?
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got out of bed, he left the grave.
Speaker 3: Let's let's celebrate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell me about your your Easter growing up.
Speaker 3: Easter growing up, and it's funny still today my mom
Speaker 3: will ask my wife to be sure and get me
Speaker 3: a chocolate bunny because she always did. That was something,
Speaker 3: you know, regardless of how big the basket was, if
Speaker 3: there was even a basket that you got, you know,
Speaker 3: on Sunday morning, Uh, there was always chocolate bunny. And
Speaker 3: now they used to be solid, all every one of
Speaker 3: them are solid. Man, They were good. They would last
Speaker 3: about a month for me in a fridge, you know,
Speaker 3: and then then now they're all hollow. That speaks to
Speaker 3: the world we're in right now. Yeah, But Uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was That's probably the most memorable. Well, of course,
Speaker 3: you know, hunting Easter eggs, but the biggest thing was
Speaker 3: always I couldn't understand as a kid what why it
Speaker 3: was called Good Friday when Jesus died. And two was
Speaker 3: the you know, going to church on Sunday. And and
Speaker 3: that was probably the first time I ever wore a suit.
Speaker 3: It's kind of just just things I'm pulling out that
Speaker 3: I remember as a kid. You know, I get a
Speaker 3: suit for Easter, and that was good for everything else
Speaker 3: that happened that year if I needed a suit.
Speaker 1: Right, this is Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: This is Oklahoma. Yeah, southern in Oklahoma. And uh but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean we walking distance to our Methodist church, and
Speaker 3: you know I was hunting for eggs all the way there,
Speaker 3: because we did walk on the Easter Sunday, we'd walk
Speaker 3: down there.
Speaker 1: How far is the walk a block?
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe a block and a half maybe, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was very very close. In fact, I was just back
Speaker 3: there and it you know, when you become an adult,
Speaker 3: everything that seemed big becomes smaller. Well, this is already short,
Speaker 3: and now I'm like that was across the street basically,
Speaker 3: you know, everything so small in compact when you're an adult.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what we did. We always did the
Speaker 3: Easter dying on I guess dying the Easter eggs on Saturday,
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, Friday or Saturday. And yeah, we
Speaker 3: didn't have money eggs. We didn't have cash eggs, we
Speaker 3: didn't have prize eggs. We just had hard boiled eggs
Speaker 3: that had die on you were happy with them, and
Speaker 3: a chocolate bunny. It's true. Yeah, how about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's surprisingly similar in a lot of ways. My
Speaker 2: grandmother who on my dad's side, specifically, for some reason,
Speaker 2: we would celebrate Easter with them, my grandma and grandpa.
Speaker 3: That was their holiday with the family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know how it got a
Speaker 2: sign that way. I'm not sure besides the fact that
Speaker 2: they loved Easter.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: In fact, my grandpa, he's the one that flew the
Speaker 2: B twenty four. It seems like I talk about him
Speaker 2: quite a bit of right now about him talking about this.
Speaker 2: And so we got together with them, and they lived
Speaker 2: in San Antonio, and almost everybody lived north of there,
Speaker 2: which is the most of the world lives north of
Speaker 2: San Antonio. You know, that's down south for all Texans.
Speaker 2: And so they ended up. Grandpa built a house I
Speaker 2: called him Paul. Paul built a house on Lake lbj
Speaker 2: O Cool and this was back when it was just
Speaker 2: they were given away land out there, and so he
Speaker 2: built a little house and we called it the Lake House.
Speaker 2: And we would come together from all the different parts
Speaker 2: of the state. There were five kids on that side
Speaker 2: and all the grandkids. We would get together, and to me,
Speaker 2: it was always connected with the weather's getting a little
Speaker 2: bit warmer, but it's still cool. Blue bonnets are out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Texas flowers, everything's green.
Speaker 1: I always say.
Speaker 2: Texas has got her best dress on in the springtime.
Speaker 2: And my grandma, who I called Granta, she loved her
Speaker 2: chocolate bunny and she because they were Episcopalian, I will
Speaker 2: a little asterisk they were. It was it was a
Speaker 2: conservative what we we the Episcopal Church is not the same,
Speaker 2: I'll say as it used to be.
Speaker 3: But she was.
Speaker 2: She loved the Lord and was so faithful, and she
Speaker 2: celebrated lint that the Episcopal Church celebrates lint. And she
Speaker 2: would give up chocolate every year because she loved it.
Speaker 2: She loved chocolate, gave it up for lint, and then
Speaker 2: on Easter Easter Sunday, she got her bunny, her chocolate bunny,
Speaker 2: and she was content with with breaking lint with a bunny,
Speaker 2: you know. And so so many of my memories are
Speaker 2: with her. And we had the little baskets we had,
Speaker 2: you know, my little you know socks with the stripes
Speaker 2: pulled up, and my little you know, pastel shorts and
Speaker 2: shirt and Tyler's out with me. And this is before
Speaker 2: Parker's days, Parker wasn't born, and all the grandkids and
Speaker 2: we would go out in the Texas cool green, lush
Speaker 2: grass with with wild flowers and and look for eggs
Speaker 2: similar to you. We would have the you know, hard
Speaker 2: boiled eggs that we would We would die the the
Speaker 2: night before and we ate a lot of eggs that morning,
Speaker 2: you know, with some salt and pepper.
Speaker 3: You didn't get you didn't get scrambled eggs, that sunny one.
Speaker 3: You got a hard boiled yeah.
Speaker 1: And we'd had a little basket.
Speaker 2: We would we would put out a little basket and
Speaker 2: it would get filled the next day with some candy
Speaker 2: and some chocolates.
Speaker 1: And if my mom.
Speaker 2: Was here, she could remind me of all the you know,
Speaker 2: a little there was always like an orange or and apple,
Speaker 2: you know, different things like that in the basket.
Speaker 3: Something practical along with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something practical, like literally like a toothbrush and toothpaste
Speaker 2: a lot of times, and maybe like a little book,
Speaker 2: a little Bible book or something, you know, something like that.
Speaker 2: As we got older, it would be like a CD.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like a DVD, you know, or something. It
Speaker 2: would be in that basket. Uh and yeah, always just great,
Speaker 2: great memories. It was kind of the gateway to summer's
Speaker 2: coming soon, you know, similar to you you know, although
Speaker 2: we celebrated it and we talked about it, and my
Speaker 2: grandmother was the first to say he has risen and
Speaker 2: we would repeat back, he has risen indeed, but didn't
Speaker 2: quite know what that meant as a kid.
Speaker 3: Did you do sunrise service? I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't consistent to do sunrise service, but we did.
Speaker 1: It was something that we have done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's not that. When I got older, I
Speaker 3: guess I remember that more than than just going to
Speaker 3: the service of being sunner up so early. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: gotta be able to get ready so you can be
Speaker 3: there when the sunrises. Yeah, you walk there in the
Speaker 3: dark can.
Speaker 1: So that was that was my childhood Easter.
Speaker 2: And you know, you get older and you know, you
Speaker 2: get you reflect back.
Speaker 1: We sound like we have. We had a similar upbringing, and.
Speaker 2: Most people probably listening that were raised in the in
Speaker 2: the eighties had a similar similar I think the nineties too,
Speaker 2: probably even early two thousands. But there's been a major
Speaker 2: shift and the pendulum swings and it's good. The pendulum
Speaker 2: of life is sometimes it's like a strong breeze that
Speaker 2: needs to blow out some dead branches that get caught
Speaker 2: up in the top, and it needs to it needs
Speaker 2: to make way for the new fresh branches before things
Speaker 2: get stagnant again. This happens in life. The fundamentalist movement,
Speaker 2: the Christian fundamentalist movement that happened at the in the
Speaker 2: early twentieth century, was a result of this kind of stagnation.
Speaker 1: That was happening sure and.
Speaker 2: People people realized that Christianity was getting liberal and the
Speaker 2: Bible was getting to be an afterthought. And this happened
Speaker 2: in the Great Awakening, and it happened it happens throughout history.
Speaker 2: You could always market and you look back and you
Speaker 2: go things were getting stagnant, Things were getting liberal and
Speaker 2: they needed to smack everybody in the face again and say, hey,
Speaker 2: go back to the scriptures.
Speaker 1: What did the scriptures say.
Speaker 2: One instance of that is the Puritans, the Puritans after
Speaker 2: the Reformation, the split from the Catholic Church, the Reformers
Speaker 2: became pretty stagnant, they became pretty liberal in the Church
Speaker 2: of England was on their rise and it just started
Speaker 2: kind of taking on the same repetitive nature of the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church that they split from. And there were groups
Speaker 2: like the Quakers and the Puritans that said, you know,
Speaker 2: the people that actually fled and founded this country in
Speaker 2: America because of religious persecutions, and it wasn't because of
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church a lot sometimes it was because of
Speaker 2: the Church of England Protestants, and they said, what are
Speaker 2: you doing. You're you're just you're fading back into this
Speaker 2: man made religiosity.
Speaker 1: We can't do this.
Speaker 2: We need to go back to the scriptures and be
Speaker 2: followers of Christ and take up our cross. And the Puritans,
Speaker 2: which I love the pure I love reading Puritan writing.
Speaker 2: I love the Christ honoring literature that they have and
Speaker 2: the way they thought, you know, it was life or
Speaker 2: death for them, and then stuff like Easter and Christmas.
Speaker 1: They said, we're done with these holids, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, anything you feel comfortable with, if you feel comfortable
Speaker 3: in any way, it's gone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know, the the original founders of this country
Speaker 2: really thought that way. In fact, you and I were
Speaker 2: reading this little article here that in fact, they the
Speaker 2: Puritans that settled the United States in the early days,
Speaker 2: that settled the the the New England colonies, they were
Speaker 2: celebrating Commencement Day, election Day, and Thanksgiving. So they were
Speaker 2: celebrating holidays. Yeah, but they were not celebrating any religious
Speaker 2: holiday because because it was either a distraction or atain
Speaker 2: ittain it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you think about Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was
Speaker 3: wasn't a religious holiday. He was a man made holiday
Speaker 3: to give thanks and it mostly stayed that way. Imagine
Speaker 3: most of their time, you know, it is to give
Speaker 3: thanks for right.
Speaker 2: And so even today that like Thanksgiving, is not debated.
Speaker 2: When exactly should Christians celebrate Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: Should we do a podcast around Thanksgiving? Should Christians celebrate
Speaker 3: thanks Should we fry the turkey or should we bake
Speaker 3: the turkey?
Speaker 1: Should we stir controversy? Christians should celebrate right?
Speaker 3: Yeahving, Yeah, well I never thought about that Jesus didn't
Speaker 3: have a smoker, or did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should.
Speaker 3: Create a controversy just for the sake of it's the
Speaker 3: one that doesn't have controversially, let's start it.
Speaker 2: So uh so that that brings us to today twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, I believe so. Certainly there is I mean
Speaker 2: not not in the fundamentalist movement and certainly not in
Speaker 2: the Puritan movement and the Great Awakening, but there is
Speaker 2: there is a stirring, there is a wind blowing that
Speaker 2: more and more people are saying, hmm, maybe the Amish
Speaker 2: have had it right for a while, maybe the Puritans
Speaker 2: were right.
Speaker 1: What are we doing? And it's clear why we say that.
Speaker 2: You look at the TV, and Easter has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with Christ anymore, not at all.
Speaker 1: And Christmas has nothing commercially for birth of Christ.
Speaker 2: And perhaps even Christmas still has a more of Christ
Speaker 2: in it kind of than Easter, but Easter's almost completely
Speaker 2: lost it. And so I think there are movements today
Speaker 2: where that's a legit question should Christians even celebrate at all?
Speaker 2: That's that's actually not how we started this idea of
Speaker 2: this podcast. We started it with saying, should we sellbrate
Speaker 2: the pagan aspects, right, are so called pagan acts?
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people think that a lot of
Speaker 3: them are. And some of the research that I've done
Speaker 3: just well that I've allowed, I've taken from someone else
Speaker 3: who does research. How about that?
Speaker 1: Let me know, let me know what you got.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, a lot of the pagan stuff
Speaker 3: that we hear about a lot sometimes it's just misconstrued,
Speaker 3: not without some foundation of truth in there. Of going
Speaker 3: and if this, if this does have this reflection of
Speaker 3: a pagan holiday, maybe we need to get rid of
Speaker 3: that in our Christian holiday? Why are we doing that?
Speaker 3: But some things aren't They have no basis in it.
Speaker 3: The name, uh they In fact, there's only like out
Speaker 3: of I believe it's out of German language and English
Speaker 3: language are the only two that have anything that sound
Speaker 3: like Easter. Obviously we do Easter, but everything else I
Speaker 3: believe the word is pashka, which is the it lines
Speaker 3: up with Passover and so Easter in all the other language,
Speaker 3: especially I think it was Latin. Anything with a Latin
Speaker 3: kind of background language, it's called pashka and it's about
Speaker 3: the passover. So rather than in the exact same word
Speaker 3: so where did like Easter come up? Well, a lot
Speaker 3: of people think that it has to do with Ishtar,
Speaker 3: which I believe is a god or goddess or something
Speaker 3: like that, has nothing to do with that. The name
Speaker 3: has nothing to do that. In fact, they think it
Speaker 3: probably has more to do and more documents to back up.
Speaker 3: Is a month called eosturro Manath believes how you say it,
Speaker 3: I'm going to butcher these things. They're not English, but
Speaker 3: at something which is Easter month. It's the month that
Speaker 3: has the holiday Easter, which is the celebration of the Passover.
Speaker 3: So it was I don't know where because they kind
Speaker 3: of sounded like something else, so they oh, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is what it was from. And a lot of people
Speaker 3: just taking that.
Speaker 2: And you're getting this from apology at Canada, which is
Speaker 2: which is a good source.
Speaker 3: Wes huff he I can't dig any deeper than he could,
Speaker 3: and he does this for a living all the time,
Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna study what he's
Speaker 3: been studying and then I'm gonna work on the workout
Speaker 3: that he's been working out. That he's changed his name
Speaker 3: to Wes buff No. But anyway, he uh, but he uh.
Speaker 3: He dove into all this to find out, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is what people are saying that it's coming from. Let's
Speaker 3: find some let's find some proof. And every time he
Speaker 3: got to the end there was very little, if any proof,
Speaker 3: and a lot of it was just a sound like,
Speaker 3: well it kind of sounds like this, So, yes, that's
Speaker 3: what it is. It's this goddess of springtime. That's what
Speaker 3: it is. And he's like, that's not where it just
Speaker 3: happens to be in spring.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because the Puritans thought it all was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean the Puritans were right about.
Speaker 3: You, which I understand wanting to stay it's it's, you know,
Speaker 3: having the the appearance of sin, yeah, you know, to
Speaker 3: have any so let's get away from it. Let's you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I can understand and why they would want to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: And they were in the sixteenth century, so they didn't
Speaker 2: know any more than we do. They were just as
Speaker 2: far removed from the early Church, you know, over one
Speaker 2: thousand years removed from the early Church, right, so they
Speaker 2: weren't any better off. It sometimes that we look back
Speaker 2: on the Puritans and think they were closer to all
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 3: In fact, we are probably closer because of all the digging, yes,
Speaker 3: and all the backgrafs. We've been fine in this. I
Speaker 3: mean we got to see a lot of the artifacts
Speaker 3: firsthand when we went to Israel and see where they what.
Speaker 3: You know, just fifteen years before we got there was
Speaker 3: just a patch of land. And you know since that
Speaker 3: time to when we got there, they had dug down
Speaker 3: six ten twelve feet and found a bunch of artifacts
Speaker 3: that none of the Puritans had.
Speaker 2: Right, you and I have seen the pool of Bethesda
Speaker 2: John five with our own eyes, something the Puritans never saw.
Speaker 2: And God blessed the Puritans. Like I said, I can't
Speaker 2: say enough about how much I love Puritan theology and
Speaker 2: reading their writings, But they never saw the pool of
Speaker 2: Bethesda with their own eyes. We have an interesting perspective now,
Speaker 2: very much so.
Speaker 3: And you don't know what you don't know. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen it, you have it, and you
Speaker 3: haven't studied it, and you haven't dug which we've now
Speaker 3: had time to do. It does help us understand a
Speaker 3: little bit more, which I would say I commend them
Speaker 3: even more. I just want to stay I just want
Speaker 3: to stay pure. I just want to get closer and
Speaker 3: if it smells or looks like or sounds like sin,
Speaker 3: I want away from it.
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Speaker 3: And eggs eggs on a big one. The big thing
Speaker 3: is that this has to do with fertility and all
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. We'll think about this. It happened.
Speaker 3: You know, you have lint going on before, and you
Speaker 3: don't eat dairy milk or eggs. Your chickens are still
Speaker 3: laying eggs. So they didn't want them to just rot,
Speaker 3: so they boiled them and kept them because they last
Speaker 3: longer when their hard boiled. And so when kids had
Speaker 3: nothing to do, they would decorate them or do stuff
Speaker 3: like that was also King ed At King Edward the
Speaker 3: first he actually gave him as gifts because he put
Speaker 3: gold on them, put gold leaf on him and gave
Speaker 3: him two and decorated it. Well, this was in the
Speaker 3: thirteenth century, I believe, so, way before Puritans. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so you know that's where they believe the decoration
Speaker 3: of the egg actually came from. Was because of that.
Speaker 1: That's even way before Reformation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The bunny, A lot of people think about that
Speaker 3: being fertility as well. The first account of a bunny
Speaker 3: being associated with Easter came in fifteen seventy two, long
Speaker 3: after pagan traditions were set, and it had no correlation
Speaker 3: between the two. In fact, it wasn't even a bunny.
Speaker 3: The very first first one was a hare and did
Speaker 3: and learned this and I didn't know this until I
Speaker 3: learned this from Wes, was that a hair is not
Speaker 3: a bunny. It can't mate with bunnies, and they're two
Speaker 3: completely different things. I had no idea about that. And
Speaker 3: the reason that most people, most experts, think that they're
Speaker 3: associated with it is because it's a mascot for a
Speaker 3: springtime animal. Now they actually I believe I'm quoting this correctly.
Speaker 3: They they mate all year long. We just see more
Speaker 3: of them in the springtime because they're out of the ground.
Speaker 3: And that's why it looks like it just goes crazy
Speaker 3: in fertility as I that they're like that all the time.
Speaker 2: Are there connections to these pagan ideas? Are those legitimate connections?
Speaker 3: From what he was saying, in what he was presenting,
Speaker 3: what Wes was presenting, there was there was very little,
Speaker 3: if any. The connection was very very loose, if there
Speaker 3: was any connection at all, and as far as based
Speaker 3: in fact, in findings of writings and instances where things
Speaker 3: were tied together in history. Now, most everything that we
Speaker 3: hear about today has happened in you know, since the
Speaker 3: I don't know, eighteen hundreds, seventeen eighteen hundreds, yeah, long past,
Speaker 3: you know, any of the probably about the time that
Speaker 3: people were putting stuff together. Puritans hear and see that
Speaker 3: stuff and go, yeah, no, we don't want anything to
Speaker 3: do with that, but actual facts. And on the back
Speaker 3: he found very little, if any, especially, I mean with
Speaker 3: all three of those, the three big things, the name,
Speaker 3: the eggs, and the bunny. Especially, I thought the name
Speaker 3: was the biggest thing, because that's what I've always heard, right,
Speaker 3: Easter is actually a celebration of a pagan god exactly. Yea,
Speaker 3: And it actually it was just because it was the
Speaker 3: biggest part was the month. I think I wish I'd
Speaker 3: quoted this better, but about the month and of how
Speaker 3: it was I was correlated. That's when Easter always happened,
Speaker 3: and Easter was the celebration of Passover, and it happened
Speaker 3: to be the great explanation was the fourth of July,
Speaker 3: and Independence Day fourth of July has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the celebration. It's just the month that Independence days.
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Did you get that from apology a kind?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: And just like so Easter has nothing to do with Easter,
Speaker 3: that has to do with when it's happening in the
Speaker 3: month Estero Manatha.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's helpful. And then eggs and bunnies are
Speaker 2: the other thing. And I think you did a pretty
Speaker 2: good job, you know, I think you.
Speaker 3: Did a good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at this, you go, you go, Easter,
Speaker 2: pagan goddess name eggs fertility, and then the bunnies the
Speaker 2: the little creators of the fertility fertility. So I can
Speaker 2: see how you put that distraction, you know, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: put it together and you add on top of that
Speaker 2: it becoming commercial, making a lot of money.
Speaker 3: And the big focus that, yeah, absolutely, the big focus
Speaker 3: at the end of that with Wes was that now,
Speaker 3: don't mistake everything you do during this celebration should all
Speaker 3: point to the death and resurrection of Christ. But know
Speaker 3: that what we have in our celebration right now isn't
Speaker 3: pulling holistically, is not pulling pagan traditions and celebrations into Passover.
Speaker 3: It's just things that we've that we put in along
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's it's just kind of part of
Speaker 1: the furniture.
Speaker 3: In the room, in the month, it's in the time
Speaker 3: of year, it's end. Hey, let's oh, we're gonna do
Speaker 3: this and we're going to celebrate the Passover. Let's throw
Speaker 3: some pastels in. Hey, let's throw some you know what's Oh,
Speaker 3: there's bunnies everywhere. Let's throw some bunnies.
Speaker 1: In Christmas and snow white Christmas bingo.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I don't think anyone looks at snow and goes
Speaker 2: Snow's taken away from the person of Christ.
Speaker 3: Jingle bells on horses that are sleds.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna why why we're sitting here. I
Speaker 2: thought about something that I want to look at in
Speaker 2: the Bible, Exodus twelve, it is the passover. So the
Speaker 2: Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
Speaker 2: this month shall be for you the beginning of months,
Speaker 2: which is what we talked about in the In the
Speaker 2: Puritan calendar, they wanted to make March the first month, right,
Speaker 2: So what's happening in in this story in Exodus twelve.
Speaker 2: The backstory is you probably know, people listening probably remember
Speaker 2: that the people of Israel are enslaved to the Egyptians
Speaker 2: for about four hundred years, and their cries go up
Speaker 2: to heaven and the Lord sinds a redeemer to redeem
Speaker 2: them and take them to the Promised Land, which is
Speaker 2: it's a typology of Christ. It's Moses, who the Lord
Speaker 2: sins is a type of Christ, a type of Savior.
Speaker 2: He's he is only pointing towards the Great Savior capital
Speaker 2: s but he is a type. And the Bible comes
Speaker 2: up with these types constantly. They're like they're like echoes
Speaker 2: of the Great the Great noise, They're like shadows of
Speaker 2: the Great figure. And Moses is sent as the redeemer
Speaker 2: of the people. He goes to Egypt and he demands
Speaker 2: from Pharaoh, let my people go. Pharaoh says no. Every
Speaker 2: time he says no, Moses provides a sign from God
Speaker 2: to convince him, and every time he says no. The
Speaker 2: final sign that God gives Moses to give Pharaoh is
Speaker 2: if he says no, you tell him, I will kill
Speaker 2: all the firstborn of Egypt indiscriminately, and even animals, firstborn sons, right, yes,
Speaker 2: firstborn males, including the animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, including the people of Israel, everybody. I'm gonna kill
Speaker 1: them all if he doesn't let them. And as predicted,
Speaker 1: Pharaoh says no.
Speaker 2: So this is what happens. It picks over, picks up
Speaker 2: in Exodus twelve and God tells Moses, tell all the
Speaker 2: congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month,
Speaker 2: every man shall take a lamb according to their father's houses.
Speaker 2: A lamb for a household, And if the household is
Speaker 2: too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest
Speaker 2: neighbor take according to the number of persons, according to
Speaker 2: what each of you can eat shall make that shall
Speaker 2: count for your lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish
Speaker 2: a male a year old, and you shall take it
Speaker 2: from the sheep or from the goats, and you shall
Speaker 2: keep it until the fourteenth day of the month. And
Speaker 2: then the whole congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs
Speaker 2: at twilight. Then they shall take some of the blood
Speaker 2: and put it on two door posts and on the lintel,
Speaker 2: that's the top part of the houses in which they
Speaker 2: eat it. And they shall eat the flesh that night,
Speaker 2: roasted on the fire with unleathered bread and bitter herbs.
Speaker 2: They shall eat it. He's telling them to take a lamb,
Speaker 2: and he says, and eat it in haste. It is
Speaker 2: the Lord's passover, for I will pass through the land
Speaker 2: of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the
Speaker 2: first born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast,
Speaker 2: and all the gods of Egypt, the lower case ge
Speaker 2: gods of Egypt. I will execute judgments. I am the Lord.
Speaker 2: The blood shall be assigned for you on the houses
Speaker 2: where you are. When I see the blood, I will
Speaker 2: pass over you, and no play will befall you to
Speaker 2: destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. And
Speaker 2: this day shall be a memorial day, and you shall
Speaker 2: keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your
Speaker 2: generations as a statute forever. You shall keep it as
Speaker 2: a feast. And then he goes on to say, therefore,
Speaker 2: you shall observe this day throughout your generations as a
Speaker 2: statute forever. That's verse seventeen. And then he goes on
Speaker 2: and he's he's describing the day again, and then verse
Speaker 2: twenty one. Then Moses called all the elders of Israel
Speaker 2: and said it them, go and select lambs for yourselves
Speaker 2: according to your clans, and kill the passover lamb. Take
Speaker 2: a bunch of his hoop and dip it in the
Speaker 2: blood that's in the basin, and touch the lentil and
Speaker 2: the two door posts with the blood that's in the basin.
Speaker 2: None of you shall go out of the door of
Speaker 2: his house until the morning, for the Lord will pass
Speaker 2: through to strike the Egyptians. And when he sees the
Speaker 2: blood on the lntil and on the two door posts,
Speaker 2: the Lord will pass over the door and will not
Speaker 2: allow the destroyer terrifying word to enter your houses to
Speaker 2: strike you. You shall observe this right as a statute
Speaker 2: for you and for your sons forever. And when you
Speaker 2: come to the land that the Lord will give you
Speaker 2: from the Redeemer, as the Redeemer takes you to the
Speaker 2: New Land. As he has promised, you shall keep this service.
Speaker 2: And when your children say to you, what do you
Speaker 2: mean by this service, you shall say, it is the
Speaker 2: sacrifice of the Lord's passover. For he passed over the
Speaker 2: houses of the people of Israel in Egypt when he
Speaker 2: struck the Egyptians, but spared our houses, and the people
Speaker 2: bowed their heads forever.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: It happened, as he said, the people of Israel were
Speaker 2: spared not because they were better, not because they were
Speaker 2: more righteous, not because they deserved it, not because they
Speaker 2: were worthy, but because they were covered by the blood
Speaker 2: of the flawless Lamb.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: That all of that is pointing towards what happened so
Speaker 2: many years later, fifteen hundred years later, when the Christ
Speaker 2: came to Jerusalem and goes up on the mountain, the
Speaker 2: same mountain where Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac,
Speaker 2: and the Angel the Lord stopped him and saw it,
Speaker 2: And instead of sacrificing his own son, he looks and
Speaker 2: he sees a ram caught in the thicket. And the
Speaker 2: Lord said that used that that's your lamb. And on
Speaker 2: that day, fifteen hundred years later, on Calvary, the perfect,
Speaker 2: spotless Lamb went onto an althar of a cross and
Speaker 2: had nails driven into his hands. The perfect Lamb capital
Speaker 2: l And that happened on Passover and the same time
Speaker 2: when the lambs were being sacrificed in the temple just
Speaker 2: down the hill from them. Now, this ram, this lamb,
Speaker 2: wasn't caught in a thicket. It was caught in a
Speaker 2: crown of thorns.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And as he Jesus laid out for the forgiveness the sin,
Speaker 2: to forgive the sins of the of his people, those
Speaker 2: who looked to him and turned from their sin and
Speaker 2: looked to him, that would be forgiven to those people.
Speaker 2: The blood of the Son of God covers them, and
Speaker 2: the Lord the Destroyer will pass over them.
Speaker 1: And that is a that is.
Speaker 2: A an observance that we still look to today. When
Speaker 2: our kids ask us, why why are we forgiven? Why
Speaker 2: why do we deserve it? We say we don't. But
Speaker 2: we're covered by the blood of the spotless Lamb. And
Speaker 2: the Lord will pass over us. And the Lord will
Speaker 2: love us and adopt us, and ransom us and redeem
Speaker 2: us and restore us and forgive us. And that is
Speaker 2: what we celebrate on Resurrection Sunday.
Speaker 3: I don't call it that.
Speaker 2: Why I'm saying that, just so that we don't be
Speaker 2: distracted by the main topic here of talking about Easter,
Speaker 2: which I think it's a great argument.
Speaker 1: The fourth of July, I think is a great that's
Speaker 1: a great argument.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do like that. I like the name
Speaker 3: and it because it for me, I think it helps
Speaker 3: me separate in my head that everybody, believers and unbelievers
Speaker 3: celebrate Easter. Yeah, believers celebrate resurrections. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2: And so to the Puritans, oh man, I wouldn't dare.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't dare go against what the Puritans taught and
Speaker 2: I agree talked about it. I agree to two thousand
Speaker 2: percent with the Puritans that said we should celebrate the
Speaker 2: resurrection every single day. But there is something around Passover
Speaker 2: every year as the spring comes and the flowers bloom,
Speaker 2: and we think there was a man that became the
Speaker 2: sacrificial lamb for us, that was put on an altar,
Speaker 2: and the sacrificial system was satisfied once and for all,
Speaker 2: as God was completely satisfied with his own son, because
Speaker 2: unlike Abraham, who his son was saved, his only son
Speaker 2: was saved in the last minute. God did not spare
Speaker 2: his only son, but instead poured his wrath on him
Speaker 2: so that we might be saved.
Speaker 3: And but Moses was willing to Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 3: what God was looking for in his heart. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: am I wrong on that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I think I remember Isaac asking, but we don't. We
Speaker 3: don't have anything to sacrifice. And he said, God will provide.
Speaker 2: God will provide the lamb my son. That's what Abraham
Speaker 2: told him. God will provide the lamb my son.
Speaker 1: And he did. And on that same mount Mariah.
Speaker 2: Oh my Gosh, him the whole time, the whole time
Speaker 2: those guests, It just told you you've met your daily limit.
Speaker 1: I think he must have been recorded, so that's great.
Speaker 3: He got some facts today.
Speaker 1: So I think I think.
Speaker 2: As we think about all that, I don't know how
Speaker 2: long we have, what long we've been doing. I mean
Speaker 2: I haven't been I didn't see when we started. But
Speaker 2: I don't think it's wrong to observe a day of
Speaker 2: the Great Passover. I'm not talking about the Jewish festival.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about observing the Forever Statute of the Lamb.
Speaker 2: Can I read you one more thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's it's it was, it's it's fun to complete
Speaker 2: this story with John five.
Speaker 1: Why not John five?
Speaker 2: Revelation five written by John. John has a revelation. It's
Speaker 2: the last book of the Bible. And he has a
Speaker 2: revelation and he's taken to heaven and he's taken.
Speaker 1: Into a great room.
Speaker 2: There's angels, and there's elder kings, and there's a throne,
Speaker 2: and God almighty's on the throne. And this is right
Speaker 2: before this is in Revelation four. It's when you hear
Speaker 2: the angels saying Holy, Holy, Holy, and and John has
Speaker 2: taken it all in and he's in this throne room.
Speaker 2: And Revelation five begins here. It says, then I talk
Speaker 2: about John said, I saw in the right hand of him,
Speaker 2: who was seated on the throne a scroll written within
Speaker 2: and on the back, sealed with seven seals, like this scroll.
Speaker 2: This is the this is the great book. It's so important,
Speaker 2: it's so secret, it's so holy that it's not sealed once,
Speaker 2: but it's sealed seven times. Right, And he says, and
Speaker 2: I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice.
Speaker 1: Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine John's excited, like you're in this room
Speaker 1: and all you know, there's all these angels and he's
Speaker 1: kind of a fly on the wall looking around. Who's worthy?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is going to be incredible. Who is worthy
Speaker 2: to open this? And then verse three and no one
Speaker 2: in heaven or on earth or under the earth was
Speaker 2: able to open the scroll or to look at it.
Speaker 2: And John saying that there was no one, he begins
Speaker 2: to cry, just his heartbroken with sorrow because the Great
Speaker 2: Redeemer is not to be found, you know, And so
Speaker 2: it says he's not. He's not only crying, but in
Speaker 2: verse four, and I began to weep loudly because no
Speaker 2: one was found worthy to open the scroll or to
Speaker 2: look at or to look into it.
Speaker 1: And one of the elders said to me, weep no more.
Speaker 2: Behold the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root
Speaker 2: of David, has conquered so that he could open the
Speaker 2: scroll and it's seven seals. And John probably just gets
Speaker 2: so excited, like oh.
Speaker 4: A lie, yeah, yes, and he looks to the you know,
Speaker 4: he looks to the entrance of the throne room, and
Speaker 4: there's gonna be this big lion that's gonna come through
Speaker 4: and conquer and take this scroll Victory, and take it
Speaker 4: in his mouth and rip it up, rip open the
Speaker 4: seven seals, and there's the book, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Secret Holy Book. Because he's worthy. And he looks.
Speaker 3: That's not what he sees. Nope.
Speaker 1: Verse six.
Speaker 2: And between the throne and the four living creatures, and
Speaker 2: among the elders, I saw a lamb standing as though
Speaker 2: it had been slain.
Speaker 3: And he walks up.
Speaker 2: This lamb walks up, and he went and he took
Speaker 2: the scroll from the right hand of him who was
Speaker 2: seated on the throne.
Speaker 1: And when he had taken the.
Speaker 2: Scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty four elders
Speaker 2: fell down before the lamb. He's holding a harp and
Speaker 2: golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of
Speaker 2: the saints. And they sang a new song, a new
Speaker 2: song that said, worthy, are you to take the scroll
Speaker 2: to open its seals? For you were slain, and by
Speaker 2: your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe
Speaker 2: and language and people and nation, and you have made
Speaker 2: them a kingdom and priest to our God, and they
Speaker 2: shall reign on the earth. And that was the blood
Speaker 2: that marked the doorway, that if you're in there, you're
Speaker 2: covered by that blood. God passes over Verse eleven. Then
Speaker 2: I looked, and I heard around the throne and the
Speaker 2: living creatures and the elders, the voice of many angels,
Speaker 2: numbering myriads and myriads, and thousands and thousands, saying with
Speaker 2: a loud voice, worthy is the Lamb who was slain
Speaker 2: to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and
Speaker 2: honor and glory and blessing. And every creature in Earth,
Speaker 2: in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and
Speaker 2: in the sea, and all of them saying to him
Speaker 2: who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be
Speaker 2: blessing in honor and glory and might, forever and ever.
Speaker 2: And the four limbing creatures said amen. And the elders
Speaker 2: fell down and worshiped man, the same one, the same Lamb,
Speaker 2: the Lamb. He's the Lamb. Only those covered by the blood.
Speaker 2: That's what we celebrate yep on Resurrection Sunday. And anything
Speaker 2: else that might distract from that, whether it's eggs or
Speaker 2: bunnies or even the name Easter if that's going to distract,
Speaker 2: you get away from it. Yeah, And you tell your kids,
Speaker 2: just like in Exodus twelve, when they ask why do
Speaker 2: we celebrate this, you tell them because God passed over
Speaker 2: us those covered.
Speaker 1: By the blood of the Lamb.
Speaker 2: And if you can, if you can do an Easter
Speaker 2: egg hunt and it shows other kids in your neighborhood
Speaker 2: back towards that, if you could talk about a chocolate
Speaker 2: Easter bunny, but it points to everyone towards the blood
Speaker 2: of the Lamb, if you could, if.
Speaker 3: You break your lint with.
Speaker 2: If it always points backs to the cross, then by
Speaker 2: all means do it. If it becomes a distraction, then don't.
Speaker 3: Get rid of it. Yeah, agreed, doesn't have to be pagan.
Speaker 3: It could just be a distraction. Yeah, that's the biggest,
Speaker 3: biggest thing I got out of.
Speaker 1: I think you would say the same thing.
Speaker 2: We would echo Joshua and say, but as for me
Speaker 2: and my house, yeah, serve the Lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a good talk.
Speaker 3: That's great talk. I'm ready for Thanksgiving. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: mess the forth to July right now, we'll leave that
Speaker 3: one alone.
Speaker 1: None of this this is good. We should do this
Speaker 1: more often because we were just.
Speaker 2: We didn't really have anything planned and so we just talk.
Speaker 2: Even the scripture, it's kind of nice sometimes to go,
Speaker 2: you know what, let's go here.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's what the Lord brings to your heart
Speaker 3: in the moment. Yeah like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful all right.
Speaker 3: Appreciate your YouTube.
Speaker 1: Happy Easter.
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