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Speaker 2: This is prime Cuts, best of the Colin Coward podcasts,

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Speaker 2: Loaded Week. Former Alabama quarterback and host of Always College Football,

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Speaker 2: Greg McElroy and I chop it up Nick Saban, Georgia

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Speaker 2: Big Ten realignment. We talk everything. Former bearon Dolphin coach

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Speaker 2: Dave Wanstadt been to Bear's training camp, some thoughts on

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Speaker 2: two as well, and John middlecoffin. I go deep at

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Speaker 2: a bunch of good NFL topics, but first my top takes.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about last year's preseason exhibition season and

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Speaker 2: all the years I've been doing talk radio. It was

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Speaker 2: the slowest preseason of all time Becausehaan McVay several years ago,

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Speaker 2: as I've noted multiple times, stopped playing starters, and all

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Speaker 2: these young coaches followed suits. The only story we had

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Speaker 2: last year in the preseason was Kenny Pickett, who was

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Speaker 2: a good college quarterback, not stupendous. He wasn't a hot

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence prospect, not even a

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, DeShawn Watson, Baker Masonfield prospect. He's a solid

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Speaker 2: guy who had a lot of college starts. And I

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Speaker 2: remember thinking, after about two weeks of Kenny Pickett discussion.

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Speaker 2: Thank god he plays for the Steelers. What if he

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Speaker 2: had played for the Jaguars, there was just no story.

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Speaker 2: This year's preseason feels entirely different. First of all, there's

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Speaker 2: three first round quarterbacks. All could succeed, but I do

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Speaker 2: think one of them's fascinating. Anthony Richardson for the Colts,

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Speaker 2: not only because it's six five, two fifty five. He

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Speaker 2: has big Ben, Cam Newton, like Josh Allen like where

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Speaker 2: he will just be such a force, a productive force

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Speaker 2: running the football with that new offensive coach Shane Stike

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Speaker 2: and a brilliant guy who had Herbert and Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 2: So I think the culture going to be a fascinating watch.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be a great team, but

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Speaker 2: between Jonathan Taylor, the run back in Anthony Richardson, I

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Speaker 2: think they're going to catch people off guard. I think

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Speaker 2: they're gonna look like Cam's rookie year, although he's not

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Speaker 2: as polished as Cam, Big Ben, a little Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: I think Bryce Young is interesting because Frank Reich is

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Speaker 2: one of those coaches that didn't get a ton of

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Speaker 2: credit because he had reclamation projects. He had to clean

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Speaker 2: amazing job. Now he gets a rookie Bryce Young, who

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Speaker 2: I think was head and shoulders above the other quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: coming into this draft. I'm fascinated by that. Also in

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Speaker 2: this preseason, Sean Paytons said I'm gonna play Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: really interesting. My guess is Russell reverts to about seventy

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Speaker 2: five to eighty percent of what he was at his prime.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think he's as good. I think quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: that move get hit more, quarterbacks that get hit more,

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Speaker 2: age much quicker. I mean, Big Ben got old fast,

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Speaker 2: Cam got old fast. I was talking to Michael Vick

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Speaker 2: year five or six that Michael Vick, the fastest player

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Speaker 2: And that's when Michael realized, Okay, everything's changed. So I

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Speaker 2: think this preseason's got a lot of stories not to mention.

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Speaker 2: I think Week one Buffalo and the Jets and Aaron Rodgers. Listen, man,

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Speaker 2: you look at that Jet schedule and that's a tough

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Speaker 2: be heat on Aaron Rodgers because their early schedule for

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Speaker 2: six games is a gauntlet. So I feel differently about

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Speaker 2: this August. I'm excited for it. Last year I felt

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Speaker 2: I think he throws a better football, and I thought

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Speaker 2: I thought the organization completely got in mac jones way

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Speaker 2: And if mac Jones becomes Kirk Cousins. Then Bill Belichick's

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Speaker 2: And then one day he wasn't because the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 2: belly aching about USC UCLA, Washington, Oregon leaving the Pac twelve,

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Speaker 2: this is a conference that has continued to drop the ball,

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Speaker 2: hired the wrong people to run the conference, been slow

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Speaker 2: to see stuff about the future of college sports that

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Speaker 2: appears obvious. Sometimes stubborn, nose in the air, a little

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Speaker 2: too precious for their own good. And so the Big

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Speaker 2: smack dab in the middle of the country with that

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's because the Stanford cal UCLA excellence academically, historically,

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Speaker 2: for the PAC twelve's football conference? Why would you be

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Speaker 2: This is a better conference, a better opportunity, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's survival of the fittest and survival of the brightest

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Speaker 2: losing here? Some regional rivalries. Washington's already said they want

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Speaker 2: to play Washington State, all right, Okay, Oregon will probably

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Speaker 2: We're not losing a lot here. And I can tell

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Speaker 2: as always, have you ever been offered something that's spectacular

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Speaker 2: a role, a job, a salary, a relocation, an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to bang that loyalty drum when nobody's clamoring

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Speaker 2: for your talent, or your team or your business. Life

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Speaker 2: is about opportunities. The four best football programs in the

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Speaker 2: Pac twelve arguably three for sure, Washington, Oregon, USC and

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Speaker 2: then Utah is better than UCLA. But sometimes market size matters.

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Speaker 2: They lose money? College football drives a bus. So you're

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Speaker 2: going to take care of football first. If you were

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Speaker 2: at the NCAA March Madness Tournament, CBS foots the bill.

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Speaker 2: They pay for the wedding. If I paid for the wedding,

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Speaker 2: it's too precious, too snooty, and the Big ten's a

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Speaker 2: better product now and going forward it's not even arguable. Well,

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Speaker 2: Greg McElroy was at the very early stages of the

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Speaker 2: Alabama dynasty, and the early stages of the dynasty, quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: got no Efen credit. It was all defense. Now it's

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Speaker 2: brilliant man that he is, has really pivoted in transitioned

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Speaker 2: to more of an offensively dynamic dynasty. And Greg, I

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people Greg don't change with the world.

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Speaker 2: And I got to give Saban a lot of credit.

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Speaker 2: About the time Lane Kiffin got there, he started really

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Speaker 2: really upping his game with offensive play. When he started

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Speaker 2: But when you look at it now, there are some

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Speaker 2: a sixty forty advantage.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's well observed it had to

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Speaker 1: They really started to acknowledge there was a time and

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Speaker 1: the heels of a high obtained, high tempo offense that

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Speaker 1: think coach Saban started to realize and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be really hard to win games twenty one to thirteen

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Speaker 1: comfortable winning games forty two forty one, which he's had

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Speaker 1: can now simulate with their scout teams the tempo. They

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Speaker 1: can simulate the quarterback play, they can simulate the run

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Speaker 1: pass options. But what they can't simulate is incredible offensive

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Speaker 1: I actually think the pendulum starting to shift back the

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Speaker 1: other way. And we've kind of seen that with Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban's hire of Tommy Reese. Because of Notre Dame, we

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Speaker 1: knew what he was all about. It was three yards

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if you're sensing something similar in college

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Speaker 2: I say, you can't really look at Georgia and say

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Speaker 1: You better recruit, you better be able to get some

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Speaker 2: Georgia was always the sleeping giant in college football. I

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Speaker 2: a fortune, and everybody's gonna go, all right, let's go

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Speaker 2: to sixteen and it won't hurt the sport. You're gonna

431
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Speaker 2: watch Auburn Alabama even if you played a second time, Greg,

432
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Speaker 2: you and I have watched march Mandess since we were kids.

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Speaker 3: If Duke and.

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Speaker 2: Carolina play in the Elite eight for the fourth time,

435
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Speaker 2: we're watching.

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Speaker 1: You're right, there's no denying that. But I am curious

437
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Speaker 1: your thoughts. Are we getting to a point in the

438
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Speaker 1: nil era in the college football world where they're looking

439
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Speaker 1: at the top twenty five. The Coaches Pole came out

440
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Speaker 1: the other day and people are saying, all right, how

441
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Speaker 1: many teams can win it? And people aren't getting past

442
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Speaker 1: five right now as far as teams that can actually

443
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Speaker 1: win the championship. Now, Caleb Williams elevate his team to

444
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Speaker 1: a level that is just unrecognizable and maybe pull off

445
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Speaker 1: two upsets and route to a championship. Sure, but the

446
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Speaker 1: Vince Young taking over the game against USC back in five.

447
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Speaker 1: Does it feel like it's as capable nowadays? Do you

448
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Speaker 1: still think that Cinderella or a run like a Cinderella

449
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Speaker 1: is possible in college football?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do because I think the SEC has always had

452
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Speaker 2: more elite athletes, but the game used to be tighter

453
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Speaker 2: and smaller, and that Nick Saban could suffocate you. I

454
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Speaker 2: watched the Ohio State play Georgia, and just because of those

455
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Speaker 2: receivers for Ohio, Ohio State and CJ. Stroud, they moved

456
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Speaker 2: that ball. I thought they were the better team that day.

457
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, quinn yours, c J Stroud. The game is

458
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Speaker 2: you know, if you go back Greg and go back

459
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Speaker 2: to Nebraska when they were winning titles, they had one

460
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Speaker 2: receiver wide right. I mean everybody was jammed up.

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Speaker 4: On the size of my screen.

462
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Speaker 2: The game is so fast and so wide, and so

463
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Speaker 2: many young players now want to be quarterbacks or wide

464
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Speaker 2: receivers that nobody, including Nick Saban or Georgia is going

465
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Speaker 2: to cover Marvin Harrison. You can't do it. And so

466
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Speaker 2: I think the USC's and the Texas and the Notre

467
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Speaker 2: Dames may need to have a Caleb Williams or a

468
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Speaker 2: Vince young. Okay, they have to make up something right.

469
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Speaker 2: Stetan Bennett's good. Caleb Williams is different. Trevor Lawrence beat Spama.

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Speaker 2: Those schools to beat the SEC king have to be

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Speaker 2: better at quarterback and probably transcendent. You know, a Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: That's a different Caleb's a different kind of number one pick.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Baker was a number one pick. Caleb that's

474
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Speaker 2: not close. And I do think the field is so

475
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Speaker 2: spread now and the offense of coaching is so good

476
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Speaker 2: that if you have that superstar quarterback and you're eighty

477
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Speaker 2: five percent of George's roster Obama's roster, you can win.

478
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Speaker 2: I watched Tennessee last year. Drop A was like a

479
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Speaker 2: fifty burger on Alabama. They couldn't stop them with Hndon Hooker.

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Speaker 1: That's it. They've scored fifty two. Look at you, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you please, sure rub it in and bringing it up.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate, appreciate the reference. I am curious your thoughts

483
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Speaker 1: on this because I don't think anyone in the world

484
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Speaker 1: does a better job with analogies and being able to

485
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Speaker 1: recreate the idea and the visual. As I'm listening to you,

486
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Speaker 1: you can sumped up something up and I'm like, how

487
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Speaker 1: did we come up with that? And I tried to

488
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Speaker 1: do my best calling Calbert impression and said, if you

489
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Speaker 1: put too much on the quarterback's shoulders, it's like the

490
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Speaker 1: quarterback is the bicep and all you do are curls. Meanwhile,

491
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Speaker 1: your triceps are atrophy, your tecks are atrophy, your legs

492
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Speaker 1: are atrophy. If you put too much on that position,

493
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Speaker 1: it's going to actually result in the rest of your

494
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Speaker 1: team not be is good. Now, it's totally opposite from

495
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Speaker 1: what you just described, but I think there's a real

496
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Speaker 1: analogy to be made at say Alabama, maybe even USC

497
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Speaker 1: to a certain extent last year at Ohio State at times,

498
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Speaker 1: especially on defense back in the end of the Urban

499
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Speaker 1: Meyer era, early early era of what Ryan Day is doing.

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Speaker 2: He's the former Dolphins head coach, Chicago Bears head coach,

501
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Speaker 2: Cowboy defensive coordinator, part of the Super Bowl twenty seven win,

502
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Speaker 2: longtime pit coach. One of Natty is a Miami DC

503
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Speaker 2: Rose Bowl d line coach for USC, analyzing football for

504
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Speaker 2: NBC Sports in Chicago, the Big Ten Network six seventy

505
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Speaker 2: to score in Chicago and on the thirty third team,

506
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Speaker 2: which has been really a quickly growing website full of

507
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Speaker 2: former NFL front office guys and coaches that I really like.

508
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Speaker 2: It's Dave Wanstat. So last time we talked, you said

509
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Speaker 2: Chicago's a seven eight win team. You were at practice Wednesday.

510
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Speaker 2: They've now added a rush end from the Ravens, who

511
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Speaker 2: was on the market. You were at practice Wednesday. Do

512
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Speaker 2: you still feel like it's a seven eight win team?

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Speaker 3: I do. I'm going to say, call them. When you

514
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Speaker 3: were reading that introduction sounds to me like a guy

515
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Speaker 3: couldn't hold a job very long anywhere. No. The Bears, Yeah,

516
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Speaker 3: I was up there. I'll tell you what. They have

517
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Speaker 3: been fantastic to me. I spent a lot of time

518
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Speaker 3: with George McCaskey when I just happened to bump into

519
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Speaker 3: him when I got there and I was up with

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Speaker 3: Matt Eberflus's office. We were talking defense and coverages on

521
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Speaker 3: the board, and then stood with Ryan Poles most of

522
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Speaker 3: the practice. So I got a real good feel for

523
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Speaker 3: not just what they did that day, but kind of

524
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Speaker 3: the big picture and the vision, and a couple of

525
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Speaker 3: things jumped at me, you know, because everybody's talking about

526
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Speaker 3: this would go for any NFL team, any college team.

527
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Speaker 3: I think everyone's talking about, well, they got started and

528
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Speaker 3: the defense, the offense is where they're supposed to be,

529
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Speaker 3: the defense is ahead of them. Well, I've never been

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Speaker 3: on a team at any level where when you start

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Speaker 3: training camp where your defense better be ahead of your offense.

532
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Speaker 3: If the offense is out there and they're tearing apart

533
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Speaker 3: and they're making plays from the get go and the

534
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Speaker 3: defense is trying to catch up, it doesn't work that

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Speaker 3: way in my opinion. So I kind of like where

536
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Speaker 3: the Bears are at right now because defensively they've had

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Speaker 3: some great additions and another year in Mattie Reflus's system

538
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Speaker 3: everything that goes along with it. So I like where

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Speaker 3: they're at right now from an offense, defense, special teams.

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Speaker 3: The second thing that I looked at was, you know

541
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Speaker 3: a lot of players they run four or five in

542
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Speaker 3: shorts OTAs and then you put the pads on and

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Speaker 3: guess what they become four eight players. They can't carry

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Speaker 3: the pads. That's not the case with the Bears. This

545
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: is a fast, young football team, and I was impressed

546
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Speaker 3: on their and not just their energy level, but how

547
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Speaker 3: quick they were across the field. And the last thing

548
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Speaker 3: was that I walked down and there saying, Wow, you

549
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Speaker 3: know what, Ryan pooles, he has a plan and this

550
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Speaker 3: guy's gone a good job. If you look at their

551
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Speaker 3: free agents that they've signed, and you look at the

552
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Speaker 3: draft picks that they've drafted, you know, this guy has

553
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Speaker 3: got a plan and he has stayed with it. And

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Speaker 3: you mentioned he just you know, they just added Yanic

555
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Speaker 3: probably the not just maybe the best edge rusher available now.

556
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Speaker 3: But he's twenty nine years old, right, and that's that's

557
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: kind of been a foundation platform for the Bears. Every

558
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Speaker 3: free agent they didn't talk to anybody that was older

559
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Speaker 3: than twenty eight years old. So they're a young football

560
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: team moving forward with a lot of team speed right now.

561
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Speaker 3: And they get some great competition going they really do.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is interesting the Chase Claypool acquisition got heat,

563
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Speaker 2: but because Mooney's a smaller athlete at Claypool is a

564
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Speaker 2: beables like a tight end. I understood it from body,

565
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Speaker 2: from the body perspective. He just didn't have anybody on

566
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Speaker 2: your roster like him. So Cole Comment, Robert Tanyaan, Chase Claypole,

567
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Speaker 2: those are big bodies downfield. Mooney, who I think is

568
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Speaker 2: a terrific players. Tiny, I do worry about Claypool. Last

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Speaker 2: year he kind of disappeared. Are they worried about him

570
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Speaker 2: because they gave up a second round pick for him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They they are, but they aren't. I'll tell you

572
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Speaker 3: why I call him. He said his fourth year. He's

573
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Speaker 3: in a contract year. And you know that's that motivates players. Pressure,

574
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: peer pressure or money, that's what motivates these professional players.

575
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Speaker 3: Let's get you know that that's real. And so they

576
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Speaker 3: got clay Pool right where they're going to get the

577
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Speaker 3: best effort that he can possibly give, and we're gonna

578
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Speaker 3: find out what that is. You mentioned Mooney. That was

579
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Speaker 3: another bright spot. They were talking about Mooney a month

580
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Speaker 3: ago here in Chicago maybe being ready for the opener. Hey,

581
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Speaker 3: I saw him. I was up there in full pass.

582
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Speaker 3: He got knocked down and got right up off the

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Speaker 3: ground and got back in the huddle. So he's backing

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Speaker 3: in DJ Moore and in Comet. They we know Cole Kmett,

585
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Speaker 3: but you know who might be the sleeper of their

586
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Speaker 3: free agent signings. Robert Tunyan from Green Bay. This guy

587
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Speaker 3: is a player. They flex him up, they flex him out,

588
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Speaker 3: and from an athletic standpoint. He's not going to be

589
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Speaker 3: an every don all round player like Comet the physicalness,

590
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Speaker 3: but you flex him out in the slot like they

591
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Speaker 3: used to do with Gronk and Tony Gonzalez and get

592
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Speaker 3: him one on one with the linebacker, he's gonna win

593
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Speaker 3: that battle. That was a good sign for the Bears. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 2: He's also good in the red zone. Smart player, He's

596
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Speaker 2: a guy that gets open in tight spots. So now

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Speaker 2: I think they're offensive. I think Justin Fields has to

598
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Speaker 2: post eight or nine wins, has to show improvement. My

599
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Speaker 2: guess is he does. You know you coach the Dolphins

600
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Speaker 2: for years and you know them very well, and it's

601
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Speaker 2: a they're sort of in the league for me because

602
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Speaker 2: of to his concussions. I just don't know what to

603
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Speaker 2: make of them. But I did think of this. So

604
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Speaker 2: they went and got Mike White a backup, and I

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Speaker 2: thought to myself, generally speaking, even in blowouts, Peyton Manning,

606
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady Mahomes, stay in the game. I could see

607
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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel saying, listen, we're up plus ten points, eight

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Speaker 2: minutes left, we're getting two out of there. What would

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Speaker 2: you do? Because it's not in any other injury, Dave,

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Speaker 2: if he has a concussion, there's going to be so

611
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Speaker 2: much public and medical pressure and media pressure. You can't

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Speaker 2: plan for a month. He gets hurt September fourteenth, you

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Speaker 2: can't plan until October twentieest. How would you manage the

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Speaker 2: Tua concussion situation?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know you're you're right, and it's

616
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Speaker 3: almost to the point where you know they he went

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Speaker 3: and did the what he do the karate or jiu

618
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Speaker 3: jitsu or everything, and then he put on weight. I

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Speaker 3: like the idea he put on a little bit of weight, okay,

620
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Speaker 3: because he's a good enough athlete he can carry. That

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Speaker 3: should give him strength. But I'll tell you the number

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Speaker 3: one thing that I would tell him, we are not

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Speaker 3: going to try to extend plays. I think that's when

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Speaker 3: he you know, it's going to have to be a

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Speaker 3: situation where I drop back, I see my first read.

626
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Speaker 3: If I don't like it, maybe get rid of the football.

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Speaker 3: That's what I would be spending time with on Tua.

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Speaker 3: You cannot hold the football because everybody talks about, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: they're teaching them how to fall when you get hit.

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Speaker 3: You know what they say, the guy that gets quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: and causes turnovers. It's the guy a quarterback doesn't see,

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Speaker 3: you know. So I don't buy this stuff at all.

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Speaker 3: Here they come now, I'm going to cradle run, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna put my That doesn't happen that way. That's unrealistic.

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Speaker 3: So he's because the guy's hitting him. You never see

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Speaker 3: him coming. So I would just say, let's prevent holding

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Speaker 3: the ball that I think that's the best answer, and

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: don't over talk about it. It'll become a mental thing

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Speaker 3: with the kid.

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Speaker 2: Well, the good news is Shanahan and Mike McDaniel run

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Speaker 2: the same offense, and both those coaches like the ball

642
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 2: out of your hands quickly. I mean, Garoppolo had some limitations. Dave,

643
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: he got that thing. He got rid of that thing

644
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: fast and accurately. And so you know, Miami's got the

645
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: vic Fangio. I was told by somebody in the league

646
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: that they thought Fangio was the best defensive mind in

647
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: football today after Belichick in kind of Layman's terms, what

648
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: makes Fangio tick? Like, what are guys like you? What

649
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: do you hear about Fangio? He didn't have, you know,

650
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: he didn't get a head coaching break until he was

651
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 2: like late sixties, So he's probably not a big personality guy.

652
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: But people that I talked to in the league just

653
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: go on and on about his schemes.

654
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've known Vic for thirty years. In fact, when

655
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: he was up at the Bears as a defensive coordinator

656
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: with Ron, I was up and we spent time together

657
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: and just reminiscent and so forth, and so I studied

658
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: him close. I've coached against him, and one thing that

659
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: he is he is not. You know, he's not a

660
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: big blitz guy. Okay, so he's he's a guy that's

661
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: going to put the defense. He's a little bit of

662
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: the Belichick mentality, what are you doing best? We're going

663
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: to take that away, and they do not make mistakes.

664
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: When you play against the Vic Fangio defense, you're not

665
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: going to see guys running wide open down the field,

666
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: and you're not going to see open gaps at the

667
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. I mean, these guys are going to

668
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: play hard, and they're gonna play sound, and they're going

669
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: to make you out execute them. And I think in

670
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: today's NFL world where everybody's at all, these offensive guys

671
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: are geniuses. They get bored. Colin You've heard me say

672
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: this for years. Don't get bored. Most offensive coordinators get bored. Okay,

673
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: they got bored. And we talked about the head coach

674
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: down on McDaniels. He got hired because he was the

675
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: run coordinator at San Francisco. And they're playing the Buffalo

676
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: Bills and they got a third team quarterback in there

677
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: last year, the kid from Kansas State. I'm trying to

678
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: think of his name, Skyler Thompson. And they throw the

679
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: ball twice as much as they run it. If they

680
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 3: run the ball in the fourth quarter, they win that game.

681
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it made no sense to me. So how

682
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: do you help Tua and how can you help that defense?

683
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: You know, and I know it's tempting. When you got

684
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: Tarik Hill and you got you got Dwaddle, you got

685
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: a lot of skill talent there. The tempt is to

686
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: throw it, throw it through it. But I'll tell you what,

687
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: they have to be balanced if they're going to be

688
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: a serious contender. Miami Dolphins have to be balanced, in

689
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: my opinion, and that's going to help the defense, and

690
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: that's going.

691
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: To really help to What did you make is somebody

692
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: with thirty plus years in football of Sean Payton publicly

693
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: ripping Nathaniel Hackett. Did it catch you off guarden?

694
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: Yes, it totally caught me off guard. And I'll tell

695
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: you what. When I was at USC, we had Bill

696
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 3: Walsh come in once too. We had a pack it

697
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: was I got it. I guess it was pack eight

698
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: or pack ten. I think it was pack eight back.

699
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: Then before Arizona schools.

700
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: It was I'm dating myself, but he came. We used

701
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: to have an assistant coach's golf tournament. We always had

702
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: it at Stanford because they had a nice golf course

703
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: up there on campus, and we would all go up

704
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: there and we would bring it. And Bill Walsh came

705
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: in and talk to us and he said, let me

706
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: tell you, young coach or something. And we were just

707
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: in our thirties. Just he says, all you guys are

708
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: probably going to get fired. He says, well, it happens to Dolphus,

709
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: he says, And when you get fired a couple of

710
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: rules in coaching, get out of the city as quick

711
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: as you can. Don't sit there because everything that the

712
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: fans and media are going to talk about is every

713
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: day is going to be better. All of a sudden,

714
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: this team is going to be tougher and this team

715
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: is going to be smarter. Think about it. He says,

716
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: it's going to happen. Don't You don't want to be

717
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: reading in here that stuff. Well, with that being said,

718
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: that was what disappointed me the most. Is here showing

719
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: another coach and just respect, and everybody talks about code.

720
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what the code, and all that I

721
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: would just say is one man to another in the

722
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: same profession. Sean, you know what goes into winning a

723
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: game and winning having a successful season. Your GM is involved,

724
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: right your quarterback Russell. I can go right across the board.

725
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people involved that the head coach

726
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 3: does not necessarily have control over the circumstances. And it

727
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: really was disappointing to me because Sean knows better and

728
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: he came up like all of us did in this

729
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: profession and you just don't see that happening and just

730
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: because of respect for another guy, and it just disappointed me.

731
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: I thought, HBO, Aaron's using it as a rebrand. I'm

732
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: a good guy, I get along with others. I'm not selfish,

733
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: I'm not arrogant, and I think Tom Brady had a

734
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: bit of a rebrand when he went to Tampa like, hey,

735
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: I have a personality, I'm fun. It's helped his business

736
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 2: and endorsements. I thought Aaron came across says, hey, man,

737
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: I got to do this thing. I'm going to rebrand it.

738
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: And I think you can watch HBO and Aaron are

739
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: trying to convince you, Hey, I'm a different guy and

740
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm not the bad guy. The media portrays me as.

741
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's wrong. I think it's smart. But

742
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: that's how it felt to me. It's a rebrand. Aaron's

743
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: all in and HBO is helping him, and I'm not

744
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: criticizing HBO. I think they think that's an interesting, captivating

745
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: part of the jet story.

746
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: Well, it totally is. I've been out on Hard Knocks.

747
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: Every other show eventually gets canceled or stops, and that

748
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: keeps going. But if you're just going to give me

749
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, Hacket and Solid for four episodes, I'm in

750
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 4: because I don't care about the random undrafted free agent

751
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: that's eventually going to get cut. But I can watch Aaron,

752
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: Rodgers and Hacket figure out this offense like that, that

753
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: to me is intriguing. He's done a rebrand really since

754
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: he showed up right, I mean the whole thing of

755
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: being there in the offseason, taking all the young guys

756
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 4: out to Madison Square Garden, going to the concerts with

757
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: again the young guys, which was the issue last year.

758
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: Hey Aaron, we got a lot of young guys. I'm

759
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: not coming in the off season. Then he pulls the Brady,

760
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 4: which he deserves credit for because I don't care who

761
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: you are. Thirty five million dollars a lot of money,

762
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: gives it back to help the team, and he even

763
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 4: said it's not even just for this year, it's about

764
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 4: the big picture.

765
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm in.

766
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: I believe what they say, and they've clearly done a

767
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: good job of this process of him. Believe in trusting them.

768
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: You and I talked about it a couple weeks ago.

769
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: I think it's easier too, when the super rich owner

770
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 4: tells you, like, hey man, i'll cut this check for

771
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: this guy. We'll do this guy. I'll tell Joe we

772
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 4: have no problem trading a first round pick next year

773
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 4: if we need to go get our Trent Williams or

774
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: we'll do whatever it takes for. You write a little

775
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: NBA style, And that's how I think he's being treated

776
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: a lot like Tom was treated. So it's easy to

777
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: be happy when everyone's kind of kissing your ass. So, like,

778
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: let's face it, they're kissing his ass as they should be.

779
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 4: They're desperate.

780
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know a lot of times the Dallas

781
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: Cowboys are brought up, and I'm guilty of this, And

782
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm guilty. I just think this is

783
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: my business plan.

784
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: Is when I was a.

785
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: Local radio host, you would talk about local teams. When

786
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: I got the syndicated job, it became very obvious to

787
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: me that you couldn't just talk any team you wanted to,

788
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: that you had to talk the biggest brands and that

789
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: would accumulate the largest audience. So very early I was

790
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: in the Brady and Lebron Notre Dame football, Duke basketball,

791
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: Yankees baseball. I've moved off baseball lot since the twenty

792
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: years ago that I started doing it a syndicated radio.

793
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: But the Dallas Cowboys, the Packers, the Steelers have a

794
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: lot of reach. But I actually think this version of

795
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: Dallas this season is kind of fascinating Dak and there's

796
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: a clear correlation. The more you ask of him, the

797
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: more mistakes he makes. I mean, there's a line of

798
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: Dak marcation thirty five or more throws. He's way under

799
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: five hundred thirty three or fewer. He's a really good quarterback.

800
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: And so his most efficient year as a pro was

801
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: year one, Zeke number two in rushing yards, best on

802
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: line in football. Dak was on the cheap the next

803
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: year year two, John, if you remember, Zeke suspended six games.

804
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: In those six games, Dak had five touchdowns and seven picks.

805
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: The minute you asked him to do more, he provided

806
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: more mistakes. So here we go into this year. He's

807
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: been a Pro Bowl or twice. In both those years,

808
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: Zeke led the NFL in rushing attempts, in yards. Zeke's

809
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: gone oline rebuild, working in a new receiver, lost an

810
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: elite offensive coordinator, and Dak now is having a camp

811
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: full of interceptions. I love this defense. What are we

812
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: going to get from Dak this year? Because there is

813
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: a correlation, the more you need, the more mistakes should get.

814
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: It's not arguable at this point.

815
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: I think I'm not just saying this because you're here.

816
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 4: I make a point to listen to. You have Albert

817
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: Breer on every week. I think he's he can articulate.

818
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: He's to me one of the best hybrid of just

819
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: knowing guys in the league, articulating what's going on, and

820
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: just and being able to report just his interactions with people.

821
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: And he said something to you about what McCarthy said

822
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: to him about their asking Dak to ad lib and

823
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 4: be a little bit more of a playmaker. And when

824
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: I heard that, my jaw dropped, Like Mike, this is

825
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: not Aaron Rodgers here, buddy. The reason he was a

826
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: fourth round pick because his physical actue. He's a good athlete.

827
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: He does not have a great arm. The clip of

828
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 4: there was a pick. Yeah, I don't know he's throwing

829
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 4: a bunch, but yesterday or the day before, Yeah, I

830
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: like a post route where digs undercut it. Rogers, you

831
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 4: can miss that ball deep, you can't miss it short.

832
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: That's where the ball always gets picked off. And to me,

833
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 4: Dak is much closer from an arm standpoint to Alex

834
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 4: Smith to Kirk Cousins. Play within the context of the offense.

835
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: I could have Rogers, Alan or Mahomes at living because

836
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: they're throwing one hundred miles an hour so well. Hud

837
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 4: McCarthy had the most successful his career Aaron Rodgers. So

838
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: maybe in his mind he thinking that if that, if

839
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: that is honestly their mindset, I think they are batshit

840
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: crazy and that is going to be a disaster of

841
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: just trying to have him be a quote unquote playmaker.

842
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: The reason Cousins is having so much success over the

843
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: last four or five years statistically teams that their defense

844
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: is good, consistently go to play. He just plays within

845
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: the offense. And when Dak does that, he's pretty good too.

846
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: But when he starts ad libbing, I do I mean

847
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: that pass? His arm is actually for a guy that's big, right,

848
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: just because if you've ever met Alex Smith, he's six four, Right,

849
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: Just because you're six to four does not mean you

850
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: throw one hundred miles an hour, right. Pedro Martinez was

851
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: shorty through ninety seven, so Tim Linskin was small. Some

852
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: small guys throw harder. Baker actually has a pretty good

853
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: arm for a small gual, right. Aaron Rodgers is six

854
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: one and a half to eighteen. Kyler Friz Yeah, so

855
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 4: it just it doesn't translate. So I maybe it's because

856
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: they're not as confident. Hollard's a little more of a

857
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 4: hybrid back, not a true like pounded between the tackles,

858
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: and it's Smith's style. But last time I checked, when

859
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 4: they were winning a bunch Treyman, it wasn't a big

860
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: ad liber right. He just kind of just played the

861
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 4: position like it's supposed to be played.

862
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: Is there a team Carolina for me? They played the

863
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: Packers yesterday and gave Aaron some trouble I have. You know,

864
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: there's always a team in this league that doubles their

865
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: win total. So last year my big one was Minnesota.

866
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: Now they didn't double their win total, but I said

867
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: most improved team in the league. So yeah, so I

868
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: got that one right. There's something about Carolina. I love Reich.

869
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: He makes your quarterback more efficient. I think Bryce Young

870
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: is one of those lower ceiling but ready to play today.

871
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: I think they're front seven's good. I think their own line,

872
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: due to the draft last couple of years, is now

873
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: more than competent, you know, and the division's a little vulnerable.

874
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: Carolina is my as Aaron Rodgers found out in the

875
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: inner squad scrimmage. They got dudes, They got real big talent.

876
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: Do you have a team like that for you that

877
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: you just people look at it and say five or six,

878
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: and you're like, I watched Carolina a couple of games

879
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: last year without Reich. They're spicy, they can play. They

880
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: definitely have a lot of talent. The team I told you,

881
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this over the summer was Washington.

882
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw that take into the garbage going there,

883
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: and I was kind of low on the Giants. I

884
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: thought they would come back. But the one thing, if

885
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: Darren Waller is healthy and high at the receiver from

886
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: Tennessee that is running like Hussein Bolt, no one can

887
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: cover him. They might actually and now Saquan is in

888
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: a good place, maybe they get back to ten eleven.

889
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: To me, the team talking with some people in Jacksonville,

890
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how great the defense is going to be,

891
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: but the division stinks. Could they be a top two

892
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: or three offense in the league. I mean, Doug Peterson

893
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: is just Taylor made for modern day NFL. His personality,

894
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: his understanding, Like obviously he's the play caller. He succeeded

895
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: there him dealing with Trevor. Trevor last year, what twenty

896
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: five touchdowns? Could this year be one of those, like

897
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: thirty eight touchdowns? You get Calvin Ridley, who I'm told

898
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: is just they're blown away by him. We saw Christian

899
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Kirk was a really good signing for him. Etn's like

900
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: the modern day hybrid back. Now you never want to

901
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: discount Tennessee and I have, but I do. You know,

902
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: you got to take for very seriously. I think in

903
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: a coaching draft he'd be a top five pick. I mean,

904
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: he's the real deal, but Brighton talent's just not quite there.

905
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: Could be a little bit of a comeback year, So

906
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 4: I think the Jags, I don't like him as a

907
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: Super Bowl contender just because their defense is going to

908
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: be good enough. But last year, I don't want to

909
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 4: call it hollow because that was a big year, especially

910
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: based on the Urban year. But I think this year

911
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: could be feel more real than last year was. And

912
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: you can kind of see like they're a piece or

913
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 4: two away on defense. Maybe get their Nick Bosta or

914
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: their Brian Burns or something then watch out.

915
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: Well.

916
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they played the Chiefs twice last year

917
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: and I'm literally watching both games. I had the same feeling.

918
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: It's like the NBA playoffs Denver two years ago, Sacramento

919
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: this year. In the NBA, they're just not ready to

920
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: win big, close games yet. I think the Kings will

921
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: be next year with de Aaron Fox and I watched Jacksonville,

922
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, they're a year away. They need to

923
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: lose to Kansas City twice. They don't know how to win.

924
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: They don't know how to put those twelve play drives

925
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: together the way Mahomes and Reid and Kelsey they they're good,

926
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: they don't know how to manipulate games. So Jacksonville, I think,

927
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: has to get to that point. And that's a real thing.

928
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: Like the really good teams New England manipulated games where

929
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: they were outplayed. I think Kansas City does job. Yeah,

930
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Jacksonville just has talent, they just don't

931
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: know how to They don't know how to win games.

932
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 2: They don't play perfect football.

933
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 4: Well, they might win or lose the game, but the

934
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 4: three guys in the AFC Mahomes, Allen and Burrow never

935
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: walk on the field against the other guy, and definitely

936
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: the rest of the league thinking that they're not the

937
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 4: best player on the field and they're gonna win the

938
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: fucking game. And I wonder if Trevor, you know, for

939
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 4: the first time in the league, had a taste of

940
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 4: that last year. Had the big you know, had it

941
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 4: couldn't gone any worse, right, He basically if he was

942
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 4: a golfer, hit like seven shots out of bounds on

943
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: the first hole in the first half against the Chargers.

944
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: And then to me, the mental fortitude, I mean that

945
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: he eagerly could have gone in the tank and no

946
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: one would have blamed him. Like you know, first playoff taste,

947
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 4: bad game, threw a bunch of picks, he did not flinch,

948
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: came back, made a bunch of plays. So I would

949
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 4: expect just a massive year from him. And to me,

950
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 4: Doug has a person now a lot like Andy very

951
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 4: even Keel. Not a big screamer, offensive guy, former quarterback,

952
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: you know, just kind of He's just an NFL guy.

953
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 4: He just gets pros and I think he's going to

954
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: be really good for them. He has been.

955
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: One thing you touched on this week, and I want

956
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: to bring it back for people that didn't hear it

957
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: is your take on Ron Rivera and Eric b Enemy,

958
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: where Ron not only stepped in it, he created it

959
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: with the comments about the enemy. Take our audience here

960
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: back to that, because I thought it was a poignant

961
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: point about in the NFL, there's enough landmines. Don't throw

962
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: your own grenades.

963
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 4: Well, to me, there's a reason. And I don't blame

964
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: coaches for lying right, it's not. It doesn't behoove them

965
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 4: to give out information that just creates chaos. Most people

966
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: on the team are well under thirty live on their phone.

967
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 4: You got to be very careful. It's why so many

968
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: coaches don't say anything, and when they do, it all

969
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 4: leans positive. For him to come out and acknowledge, it'd

970
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 4: be one thing, right, if there was something simmering, there

971
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 4: was a powerful story from a Wickersham from the athletic

972
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 4: would be like, what's going on? He gets asked about it,

973
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 4: any kind of steps on it, you would understand it.

974
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 4: Maybe you got cornered a little bit in a press conference.

975
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: That was not the case at all. I don't know

976
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 4: about you. I hadn't heard anything. Unless you knew a

977
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: player or someone on the staff, no one would have

978
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: been talking about it. So for him just to acknowledge

979
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: that was borderline unprecedented. I mean, you never see that

980
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 4: in the NFL, unless you know is he already trying

981
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: to point the finger at him? He sees it not

982
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: going well ron the thing. It's not like Ron is

983
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 4: some modern day, progressive, easygoing NFL coach. This guy's an

984
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 4: old school screamer, yeller, defensive guy. So he wouldn't have

985
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 4: a problem with you coaching hard. Does he think it's

986
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 4: not going well? He does? He see our quarterback situation

987
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: is a disaster. I've seen some headlines multiple times. Part

988
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: of the reason I started getting off them before this

989
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 4: story even kind of came out because of Ron was

990
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 4: because he kept mentioning Jacoby Brissett. He kept don't sleep

991
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: on Jacoby Brissette, No, and I went, what we've seen Jacoby,

992
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: just keep him as your backup. What are we talking about?

993
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 4: So maybe there's some butting of heads when it comes

994
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 4: to personnel. You got new ownership. Let's face it, if

995
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 4: Ron were to go seven and ten or like his

996
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 4: he would not get fired. He's never going to get

997
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 4: a head coaching job again, like this is. His career

998
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 4: is over. So it did feel a little bit like

999
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 4: he's pointing the finger. Not just a bizarre story, just

1000
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: that when you never see you never see coaching hard,

1001
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: What does that even mean? You go to a practice

1002
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 4: in high school, people are getting screamed at. It's not

1003
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 4: even that weird.

1004
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: The volume