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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f HF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore. So,

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Speaker 1: right before the podcast started, there was mention of a

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Speaker 1: premature baby, which is something that happens occasionally in the

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Speaker 1: human species, and I started to tell a story about

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Speaker 1: how in medieval times in Europe, bears were on the

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Speaker 1: because of the pagan bear cults of Europe that were

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Speaker 2: King of the beast?

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Speaker 1: King of the beasts. Yeah, I mean that's like the

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Speaker 1: universal king of the beasts. Well before, pre about a

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Speaker 1: thousand years ago, especially in Europe, king of the beast

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Speaker 1: would have been the bear because of what's called what

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Speaker 1: anthropologists have labeled a very controversial idea, but what they

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Speaker 1: have labeled the circumpolar bear cult, which basically everywhere that

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Speaker 1: consistency in the way that humans have have ceremonialized bear

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Speaker 1: to these bear cults and actual bear worship in Europe

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Speaker 1: and about fifteen hundred years ago, the Catholic Church, one

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that was written by a

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Speaker 1: medieval author circling back to a premature baby, is that

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Speaker 1: bear cubs are born in the winter den and weigh

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Speaker 1: big game mammals and how big their offspring should be,

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Speaker 1: like deep biological strategy. Because they have their cubs in

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Speaker 1: this story with me?

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Speaker 2: Everybody with me?

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Speaker 1: Brent, Oh yeah, okay. This these medieval writers marketed that

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Speaker 1: that the sALS, the sal bears were so lazy, carnal

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Speaker 1: That they were so burdened by pregnancy because they couldn't

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Speaker 1: mate again with their lovers that they just spat their

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this like biological reproductive strategy of having these

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Speaker 1: worshiping them, which I mean, I'm all four not doing that.

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Speaker 1: But welcome to the Bear grease Pipe Podcast.

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Speaker 2: How did I tell you to end those kind of stories?

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Speaker 1: And then I found five dollars on the ground were

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you where I learned that from the

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Speaker 4: lady that gives you so much grief about mushrooms in

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Speaker 2: My wife, your wife, Yeah, do you put mushrooms in

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Speaker 1: I did once.

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Speaker 4: I love mushrooms in your chili, spaghetti sauce.

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Speaker 2: I put mushrooms in just about anything, my oatmeal pipe.

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Speaker 1: So so your wife taught you to say, like, if

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Speaker 1: Finding out a lot of my stories in that way.

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Speaker 1: But welcome to the Bear Grease Render. Today we have

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Speaker 1: Brent Reeves of this Country Life podcast here. It's been

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Speaker 1: We've got Josh Lambridge Spillmaker.

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Speaker 2: I'm here I'm in pursuit of a turkey.

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Speaker 1: In pursuit of a turkey, and we got Lake Pickle,

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Speaker 1: good friend, Robert Lake Pickle, Robert Lake Pickle. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: we've got We've got a lot, a lot to cover today.

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Speaker 1: Big Time had a Big Time podcast hit the airwaves

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Speaker 1: case you're new to this, man, our our feed is

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Speaker 1: not getting any more simple to understand. But on the

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Speaker 1: bear Grease feed, which typically a feed would just be

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Speaker 1: not us, we have the bear Grease Podcast, which is

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Speaker 1: our documentary style podcast, which we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Confessions of a former outlaw.

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Speaker 1: We also have this the bear Grease Render is where

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Speaker 1: Paar Greece. But we also have Brent Reeves this country

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Speaker 1: life podcast every Friday. What is this country life podcast?

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Speaker 1: Would you describe it in a word? I didn't think

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Speaker 2: Can't do it in a word, for sure, not one word. No.

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Speaker 4: It is an amalgamation of my life and those around me.

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Speaker 4: be falling, riding a tricycle, awful porch as a child

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Speaker 4: It's actually this country life. It's my country life and

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Speaker 2: And how I view the world and how the world.

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Speaker 4: Is viewed by people like me and folks that I know,

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Speaker 4: and stories that have some type of roots in place,

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Speaker 4: in place and family. So it's not a it's not

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Speaker 4: and fishing. It's just really an Americana. If you want

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Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, I just thought of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I've never sent somebody to Brent's podcast that

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it and like it very entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Entertaining, you know, it's just entertaining, always, always entertaining.

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Speaker 3: And It's one of those podcasts you don't have to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people listen to it going to work,

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Speaker 2: Some folks save it up for road trips. Know.

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Speaker 4: Lake has memorized a lot of them. He puts them

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Speaker 2: Voice smel I put them to auto tune. Stop doing

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Speaker 2: please stop doing that. Lake, no promises, but it's a

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Speaker 4: It's uh here it is Open the Turkey season. We're

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Speaker 4: recording this and I'm sitting in here with you. I

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Speaker 2: They get paid the hunting fish.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of have qualms with that labeling. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I get paid to hunting fish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it is today the Arkansas and Missouri turkey season,

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Speaker 4: He's on my feet every day and everything I opened it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're feeding him. They're feeding him to us daily. Hey,

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Speaker 1: This guy right here's a turkey hunter. Brent's a turkey hunter.

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Speaker 1: Two but I always talk about Brent. But but uh,

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Speaker 3: I tried like twelve different and I'm I'm a novice

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Speaker 1: It really well well Lake when he started using that call,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's my call in that prime cuts pack.

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Speaker 1: And I know, as much as it hurts Lake to

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Speaker 5: I've fall into a problem with I blow a batwingstall

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Speaker 5: I mean, it looks like somewhere between a bat wing

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Speaker 1: Here, hit us with it. Just give us a little

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Speaker 2: Man, it does? You know? To me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, well that's my I mean, you could

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Speaker 5: Of them the same way. It's the only thing that

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Speaker 2: So I mean, okay, used to that. Okay?

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Speaker 1: Uh have you uh you've turkey don it quite a

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, as much as I can.

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Speaker 1: How many of you killed?

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Speaker 2: Three? Three?

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Speaker 5: Where killed one at home in Mississippi, killed one in

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you didn't killing in Florida.

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Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 5: I took I you were there while but yeah, some turkey.

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Speaker 5: So where we go in Florida. We've been able to

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Speaker 5: Last spring that we were there, that got like, man,

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Speaker 5: but Lacey got one.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, good for her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many states have you killed turkeys in ninety one?

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Speaker 5: I think I want to see like twenty three, maybe

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Speaker 5: blissit do y'all know we would have these trips every year.

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Speaker 5: We'd try to hit a couple of states, and we'd

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Speaker 5: weren't even really enjoying the hunting. We would just try

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Speaker 5: to get this state, all right, let's get stuff on

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Speaker 5: this jump to other stairs, Like man, that ain't that?

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Speaker 2: Ain't it? Isn't it? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So I mean I still like, if I have a

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Speaker 4: Have you killed all the all the subspecies, yeah, except

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Speaker 2: Hadn't done that. Yeah. Hm, I've just got two Easterns

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Speaker 1: Let me say it's a few hundred.

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Speaker 4: In uh, Kansas, Missouri, Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama. I've killed turkeys

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Speaker 4: in all them. In Mississippi, I say Mississippi, not yet.

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Speaker 4: I've killed turkeys and all them.

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Speaker 1: To a lot of the Southeast States. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm I'm looking forward to Uh, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to hunting. Me and Lake hunted. And I almost wanted

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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 2: Year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it. There's some I thought it could work.

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Speaker 1: So I'm torn as quick as it happened. It did

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so it's a good story. I make them

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Speaker 1: make them way teas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now what's your best what's your best story from this year?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a good one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Our hunt so I could teue the one from last

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Speaker 2: I said.

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Speaker 5: The best way I explained this is I've never so

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Speaker 5: oh my gosh, how did you hold that together?

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Speaker 2: And so that's my every day line. Look, man, look

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Speaker 5: So I was with my buddy Gary Stanton and we

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's some good boys, man. Me and Gary

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we had been on phone calls with each other,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like I talked to him, not often enough.

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Speaker 5: So, uh so Gary had me up this place in

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Speaker 5: I've been dealing with flocks the turkeys with and so

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Speaker 5: They've just kind of been in that mood. They're staying

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Speaker 2: I don't see anything. I yell up again.

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Speaker 2: Is yeah. So I said, I'm gonna sit down right here, Gary.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, good son, the.

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Speaker 5: Problem was is we sat there for like twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, that turkey's on the other side.

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Speaker 1: As the other side of the creek, someone else's.

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Speaker 2: Probably no, no, we can hunt it.

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Speaker 1: Just but you don't think he's gonna cross.

440
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a big creek, Like, it's

441
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 5: a big, big, wide deep you know, got your legs

442
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: wet crossing it kind of thing. Yeah, and I'm like, man,

443
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 5: he's on the other side of the creek in that meadow,

444
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 5: probably with a bunch of hens and jakes like every

445
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 5: other turkey we've been hearing. I'm wasting time up here

446
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 5: on this ridge. And so I'm like, what, you know.

447
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: What getting down on the situation. Yeah, and we see it.

448
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 5: We've been there for about two minutes and I yep

449
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 5: a little bit, Gary, yep back, there's something nothing. And

450
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 5: finally one time I got on it pretty good. You

451
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 5: cut and yelped nothing. I sit there and I said, man,

452
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 5: we need to move. I need to move, like he's

453
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 5: down there waste our time.

454
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: We need to move. And so I make up my mind.

455
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I need to act like I have

456
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 5: some sense and get up stealthy because it's so steep.

457
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 5: When you stand up you can see down, you know.

458
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 5: And so I'm like, I'm on a big o oak tree.

459
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 5: So I stand up straight up, real slow, and I

460
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 5: got my shotgun on my left hand.

461
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: I stand up and saying I think.

462
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Something about that.

463
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: I hear the morning.

464
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: When there's a normal standing up, you don't you don't do this.

465
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: So I stand play in the background.

466
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 5: So stand straight up, and I go to grab and

467
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 5: I can see down the ridge of good ways, and

468
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 5: I go to grab my binoculars my right hand and

469
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 5: I put my right hand on binoculars and AUTI pops

470
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 5: behind a tree and told you full struck fifty yards.

471
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 5: But I'm still I'm just standing there, flushed like this.

472
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 5: He's none the wiser. He's walking towards me. So I

473
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: just stood there and he's like kind of angling towards me.

474
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 5: Walked all the way into thirty yards, went behind another tree,

475
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 5: and I just went. He popped out on the other side,

476
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 5: and I said, hello.

477
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: With your shot.

478
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I and Gary was He said, man, when

479
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: when all it was over? He said, man, I saw

480
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: you stand up and and I thought I knew what

481
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 5: you were doing. Then I saw you reach your bino's

482
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 5: and stopp and you were just standing there.

483
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: I said, what is he doing? All of a sudden,

484
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: your gun snaps up and I said, hone, shut have

485
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: you shut?

486
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 5: Standing up more than you'd think, but none that like

487
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 5: like I've I've done that that, like that sneaky stand

488
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 5: up and check. I do that because I've seen it

489
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 5: blown so many times, like that exact situation. But every

490
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: time since I started sneaky standing up sorry, I was like,

491
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 5: all right, there's nothing there.

492
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: Let's move. I stood up in that rascal was coming

493
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: up the hills, like, yeah.

494
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: So you thought this thing is messed up. You know,

495
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: we've we've we've screwed this up.

496
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 5: As soon as he when he popped out and yep,

497
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: I mean like a half second, they're sure, but he

498
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 5: just kept walk. It never broke struck when he popped

499
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 5: out from behind that tree. I he I mean, he

500
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 5: kind of came out strutt and do one of those

501
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 5: where's that hen kind of looks? But he he was

502
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 5: he never knew.

503
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: That's good, that's awesome. Hey, you know what I just

504
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: remembered today, the day this podcast comes out, Meat Eater

505
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: on their on their clips YouTube channel has My Hunt

506
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: from Tennessee from last year coming out this very day,

507
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: and on that channel is also your Hunt from Missouri

508
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: Surry last year. Yeah on O, I believe it was

509
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: opening day in Missouri last year.

510
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: Yep.

511
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: Or you killed one yeah yeah yeah, yeah.

512
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we killed that turkey before breakfast.

513
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

514
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: It was right off the roofs and pal it's fun

515
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: to watch. Oh yeah, it didn't take long.

516
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: Man, Isaac mm hmm man, My my hunt in Tennessee

517
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: last year was it was?

518
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: It was?

519
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: I said on the video, I said it was one

520
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: of the best times I'd been on. You know how

521
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: you're kind of just pumped after you kill one, and

522
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: you you like think it's the best thing that ever happened.

523
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: And it probably was. But on the video I said

524
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: it was the best turkey hunt I ever been on.

525
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: But we had worked. It was opening day and we'd

526
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: messed around with birds all day, but still at four o'clock,

527
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: I was still hunting. And I won't spoil it, but

528
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: basically killed the bird at four ten eagle after after

529
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: watching him, I learned a lot. He probably won't see

530
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: it on the video, so it's not a spoiler alert.

531
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: But this this I cut at this, I didn't know

532
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the bird was there, just was on this little little

533
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: ridge point, going looking off into this drawl and cut

534
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: real hard and at four well, actually it was. It

535
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: took thirty minutes. So it was at three forty five

536
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: turkey God was like four hundred yards and we're right

537
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: on this point and he's way below us in some

538
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: flat ground and I just say I'm just gonna sit

539
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: right here and see what he does. Sat down. Four

540
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: or five minutes later, he god was again. He's half

541
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: the distance and I think I've yelped at him, yump

542
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: at him again. He cuts me off. I mean, it's

543
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: it's it's feeling good for a four o'clock gobbler. And

544
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: the woods are so open, and this is what the

545
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: video is hard to see. The woods are so open.

546
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: I can see probably one hundred and twenty yards through

547
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: these open hardwoods, and the turkey probably gobbled three maybe

548
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: four times, and at you know, he he I finally

549
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: see him out there about one hundred and twenty yards

550
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: and he's just in full strut, just spinning circles, just

551
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: thinking about himself.

552
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: And selfish like giraffes.

553
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he never gobbled though, he never gobbled. He

554
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: never gobbled. If I hadn't been able to see him,

555
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: I would have thought something happened.

556
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah he's gone.

557
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. But but just because I could see so far,

558
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: I just watched him, watched him, and rather than coming

559
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: straight to me, he's he's he's strutting and drifting, you know,

560
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: like Elton John's tiny dancer, you know, and he's he's

561
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of spinning and he's he's veering off to my

562
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: left but kind of getting closer. And I know what

563
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna do. He's gonna end up losing interest and

564
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: getting around the point of this ridge and then probably

565
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: making a big circle and just complicating things, you know.

566
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: And I would watch him and i'd call, like when

567
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: he was one hundred and twenty yards with insight, had

568
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: a decoy out, and he would but he never would come. Finally,

569
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: when he got to the point where he was about

570
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: to like go around the point of another ridge, I

571
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: just said, man, something's got to happen here. And I

572
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: started scratching the leaves and he's probably now ninety yards

573
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: but not coming in scratching the leaves, and then I

574
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: just hammered him. Like once I saw him, I was

575
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: just slow playing him, you know, just thinking, Ah, he's coming,

576
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: he's coming, he's coming. But when he was about to

577
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: get away from me, and I mean it's getting late

578
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, I'm scratching the leaves and I just,

579
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean just hit him hard, and man, he gobbles

580
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: and just breaks that strut and just comes straight to me,

581
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: jumps up on.

582
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: A log, got him how close.

583
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Probably twenty five yards and it was a good hunt.

584
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: Man.

585
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: I hear stories like that, and my head goes to,

586
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 5: you know, the old school calling mentality to sit down

587
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 5: and cluck three times and wait from the show up.

588
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying.

589
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's not effective. It worked for a

590
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 5: lot of people, and it can work sometimes work.

591
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: For Wayne Cox.

592
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: It I mean, hey, you can't. It works for some folks.

593
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 5: But I say that especially because the whole you know, Wilbur,

594
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: his whole career, you know.

595
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: The calling too much and calling.

596
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: Too lou accusations. Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't work,

597
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: but you can't say that what like what you just

598
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 5: described that works too.

599
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: Just depends on the turkey.

600
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: The first of I hunted with Lake and and well

601
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: and the only time I really hunted with Will we

602
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: went on a couple of day hunts. I remember you

603
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: saying that Wilbur would leave yelp marks on a turkey.

604
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: So the Wayne Cox Do you all know who Wayne

605
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Cox is? You guys, if we were doing a quiz

606
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: on the confessions of a former outlaw, Wayne Cox was

607
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: the old man that taught Johnny Johnson turkey. Yeah, I didn't.

608
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I didn't expect you to get it. But he was

609
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: the old man that that used a piece of slate

610
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: and a goat horn. How excited can you get on

611
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: a piece of slate and a goat horn? I kind

612
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: of got my Johnny Johnson.

613
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: That wasn't.

614
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: He thought it was close?

615
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's nice.

616
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: Hey, today is the second year anniversary of the release

617
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: of my podcast?

618
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: Is it really to this day?

619
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: April twenty first they were recording it it released. You

620
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: and I were in Turkey Camp in Missouri.

621
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Is that the day it came out?

622
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: That's the day it came out.

623
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: Really, that's pretty cool. We had we I don't know

624
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: what I've said, but I know what I was thinking.

625
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: I thought, there's no way this is gonna work.

626
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: I figured I'd be in either jail or hr by now,

627
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: and I've escaped both of them.

628
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Two years, two years. That's awesome. Well, you know what

629
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: bear Grease is now? Four years in April. I hadn't

630
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: really thought about it.

631
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: It was released in April two Yep, there you go, yep, yep.

632
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Stuff started to get serious, ain't it. Yeah?

633
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Getting tired of Talking's what I'm getting. It's not true.

634
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: That's not true, not true at all.

635
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: Well, so this this episode, I'll give you a little context.

636
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: This episode is called Confessions of a Former Outlaw and

637
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: I this episode also is playing on the on the

638
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: Meat Eater main feed, which is unique to bear Grease.

639
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: We've we've never had a bear Grease podcast that played

640
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: on the main Meat Eater channel. So a lot of

641
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: people hopefully listen to it that maybe wouldn't have. And

642
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: the point of me saying that is that I had

643
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: called Steve Ranella after actually I had had Josh and

644
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Lake and Lake and I were turkey hunting and so

645
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: we had to drive somewhere and I just I sent

646
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: you this draft and I said, hey, listen to this

647
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: and just tell me what you think, and Josh should

648
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: listen to it. And this podcast was different than anyone

649
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: I've ever done. And this is the way I described it.

650
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of outlaw stuff. I've done stuff

651
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 1: with undercover agents who were talking about people that they

652
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: busted that broke the law, Russ Arthur and my buddy

653
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: in Ohio, Artie Stewart. I've done a podcast on Donnie Baker,

654
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: who is a good friend of ours these days, great

655
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: guy who who committed a crime and was punished for

656
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: that crime, and he talked about it. So I'm painting

657
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: the different scenarios and the little capsules that we've talked about. Outlaws.

658
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: We did the Genuine Outlaws series, which was one of

659
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: my favorites that we've ever.

660
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: Done and people's favorites.

661
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was on two guys that are now deceased.

662
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: So it was on some some guys that are no

663
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: longer here, and it was about their lives and they

664
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: interviewed their family and their friends. There's a new there's

665
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: this one. The Johnny Johnson episode fits into a different

666
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: category because Johnny Johnson is still alive and he was

667
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: talking to me about stuff that he was not caught

668
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: for caught on, and that it was setting with him

669
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: was like wildly interesting. I recorded a three hour conversation

670
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: with you. You heard if you listen to the episode,

671
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: you would have heard. Now the episode was fifty four

672
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: minutes long, but the actual Johnny talking was only like

673
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. So, I mean we talked a lot

674
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: to get what we got, and and I just called

675
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: Steve Runella and was just like, hey, man, is this

676
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: okay for me? To put this out because I'm always

677
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: conflicted about you know, when you talk about outlaws, you know,

678
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: are you glorifying it? And I think if I were

679
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: playing Devil's Advocate and I was not me and I

680
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: was someone else talking about me, I could probably make

681
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: a pretty good case that I am glorifying out lawn.

682
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but we'll disagree.

683
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, I appreciate that. And number and then

684
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: number two I was I'm always very I'm not just

685
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: saying this, this is the truth behind the curtains of

686
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: bear grease. My number one concern is the people that

687
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I interview, in whatever case it may be, because media

688
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: sometimes exploits people, period. I mean and and I never

689
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: want to do that. So if I talk to somebody,

690
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to just exploit them to

691
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: get a good story that's going to damage them. And

692
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: so here's Johnny who he's never listened to a podcast before,

693
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: uh and and I And he doesn't know me, but

694
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: multiple people around him know me and have come to

695
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: him and said, hey, you need to let this this

696
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: random guy come interview you. Well, what's he want to

697
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: talk about? Well, probably about you know, the negative parts

698
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: of your life. Oh okay, Well, I mean, you know,

699
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different things Johnny could have told

700
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: me all the stories about in his life where he

701
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: he did good stuff. Yeah, and and so I'm always

702
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: really concerned. So that was part of it too. When

703
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: I talked to Steve, I was like, listen to this,

704
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: and is this is this going to damage Johnny? And

705
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: what also behind the curtains. That's what the bear grigshrender is.

706
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: I called some high ups in the Oklahoma game and

707
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: fish and they didn't listen to it. They didn't put

708
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: their stamp of approval on it. That's not what I'm saying.

709
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: But I just said, I'm going to do this. What

710
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: are the chances that that this is going to hurt

711
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: this guy in some way? And and basically, I mean,

712
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about stuff that happened that

713
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: long ago, it literally is a different time, and there's

714
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: legal things that you know, statutes of limitations and stuff.

715
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: So but it was it was stressful, and that's why

716
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Steve Vannella got involved and that and and and and

717
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: Steve was just like, hey, man, if it's interesting to

718
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: you and people are going to think you're glorifying out line.

719
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: If it's interesting to you, it's gonna be interesting to

720
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: other people. This guy's really unique. It's a great story. Yeah,

721
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: and he was like, do it and then it ends

722
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: up you know, it plays on the meat eater main feed,

723
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: which was really cool, really cool. But I don't know

724
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: how to start the conversation other than just like general

725
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 1: general thoughts, Brent.

726
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: I think up until that one came out, I would

727
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: have easily, hands down, had a top three that I

728
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: could have argued were my favorite. And this is not

729
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: even close. This one is so far above the rest

730
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: of them because of the story. Story to me is everything.

731
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: I mean, that is my job telling the story. It's

732
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: your job telling the story. But this story is as

733
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: complete a story that fits in the wheelhouse of what

734
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: my feelings are, what my what I hold important. This

735
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 4: one is.

736
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: By far surpassed anything else.

737
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: That Really, I'm pretty surprised to hear you say that.

738
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: No, it's not even close, and it's I don't want

739
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: to get too far in ahead of myself here, but

740
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: it's the redemption of the whole thing is great. I'll

741
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: listen to it twice and I sometimes I'll listen to

742
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 4: them more than once on up here, so I'll have

743
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: something fresh in my mind, like, Okay, I need to

744
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: I need to remember this when we talked about it

745
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: on the render. I need to because I listen to

746
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: it when it comes out and then the next week

747
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: we're coming up here. I listened to this twice because

748
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it, and while I was thinking it was

749
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: just enjoyable, listen again because I got so much out

750
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: of it.

751
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: What about before the end though, when you didn't know

752
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: what was going to happen, just with like, did you

753
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: find yourself frustrated with the way this guy was?

754
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: No, and that was totally different. You know.

755
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 4: I was one of the dissenters on the Genuine Outlaws podcast.

756
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. Yeah, I didn't like it at all.

757
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: And why was this one different though?

758
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: Just the humility of the man talking and the way

759
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: he talked and the way he spoke about it. And

760
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: he was not doing it flawning the law. He had

761
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 4: He had an issue with living turkeys, not getting away

762
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: with killing them.

763
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: He just he is that why you didn't like Louis

764
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: Delle and Charlie. Yeah, they were like flaunting it in

765
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: the law, like half of it now. They were turkey

766
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: hunters and loved a turkey hunt. But yeah, half of

767
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: it was some portion of it was that they were

768
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: their Their identity was that they were out and that

769
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: they were breaking along couldn't be caught.

770
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't.

771
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 4: I'm not casting anything ill towards them or their families

772
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: or anything like that. I don't want people to take

773
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: it that way, because different folks is what makes this

774
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 4: world up. It would they would not have been someone

775
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: that I would have told a story about or enjoyed

776
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: to be around. I don't think, Yeah, this guy right

777
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: here I would share a cup of coffee with in

778
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: a minute and would like to hear I would just

779
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 4: like to hear how he thinks about I know what

780
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: he thinks about turkey hen because I like the turkey

781
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: hen too.

782
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: I want to know what he thinks about cows feeding.

783
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 4: In the field, or what he thinks when he sees

784
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: a redbird singing in a tree. I want to know

785
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: something else because I identify real close with what he's talking

786
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: about chasing turkey. It just it was very It's very

787
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 4: moving to me, man.

788
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised. I think I think sometimes and I

789
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: know you pretty well, Brent. And uh, it surprised me

790
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: what you said, but partly because I boxed you in

791
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: to thinking that anybody breaking these outlaw stories you just

792
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: didn't like. I mean, and if you if you're new

793
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: to bear grease, Brent spent his career in law enforcement,

794
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: and so and I heard Brent one time. I think

795
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: I can say this, Brent spent his life, risking his

796
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: life chasing drug dealers. And today when he drives down

797
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: the road and he sees a dispensary on the side

798
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: of the road, it kind of gives him a little conflicted, yeah,

799
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: conflicted feeling.

800
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: It does.

801
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: He could have been he could have been killed in

802
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: the line of duty and some of the crazy stuff

803
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: they did, and then today you can just it's like

804
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: going to Walmart to buy marijuana. I mean, it's not

805
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: quite that easy, I'm told.

806
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: But and before we get the hate mail in that

807
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 4: I'm against anything, you got to remember it was against.

808
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: The law and was my job exactly here. Yeah, and

809
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: I do not apologize for it.

810
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's just like rational. But it's interesting, interesting

811
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: because when you said that to me, it kind of

812
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: put it into perspective and it's like, yeah, I can

813
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: understand then, why when you hear about these lawbreakers that

814
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: you're just like No, I mean, I don't care how

815
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: cute your story is, Clay, or how you know, funny

816
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: and entertaining these guys are. I just can't get behind it.

817
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: So that's why I thought that you wouldn't like this

818
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: one either. No, I mean, I knew you'd like the end,

819
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: the redemption. I mean, that's hard to argue with, but.

820
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 4: Well, I spent thirty two years and seven months seeing

821
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: even the best people in the world on their worst day,

822
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: you know, so you don't get to see the whole person.

823
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 4: This story told the whole person, the whole person's story

824
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 4: and the man and no one told it for him.

825
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: You didn't tell his story. He told it. Just handed

826
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: him a mic and he spit it out there.

827
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: It was good.

828
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Lake had a little bit of a different Uh. Well, Lake,

829
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: Lake heard one version which I don't know. It's kind

830
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: of hard to uh, I don't know. We'll start with Lake.

831
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 5: I gave some thought to how the best way to

832
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 5: articulate my thoughts on it, and I feel I have

833
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 5: to tell it in like two factions because I feel

834
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: that's the way his story went. I think if you

835
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: look at his story, the first part of it, I

836
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: know we're talking about Johnny as an individual, like a

837
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: like a person.

838
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: This is his story.

839
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 5: But I would bet I can't speak for the rest

840
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 5: of the country, but for the southeast Arkansas, Mississippi, albe

841
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 5: I'm in Tennessee, Georgia, all that stuffy Johnny when he

842
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: got talking about hiding guns and getting dropped off and

843
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 5: giving zero cares about limits on turkeys or when seasons opened.

844
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 5: I would bet that most of folks that listen to

845
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: this from this region either knew somebody that was like that,

846
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 5: or at least heard stories that was some of them.

847
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: Or they are that guy.

848
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 5: And man, it's probably because it's no secret how I

849
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: feel about turkeys and turkey hunting. When I hear that

850
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 5: kind of behavior, I just don't like it. I do

851
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: not like it. I don't have I'm not endeared to it.

852
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: I don't care if. I don't care if they're crawling

853
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 5: them and shooting them and not yelping them. I don't

854
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 5: care if they're the best turkey caller in the world.

855
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: And I thought about that for a while because I'm like, man,

856
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: why do I feel that strongly about it. And the

857
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 5: best reasoning I can give you is because I would

858
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 5: argue now, because it's the thing you take some if

859
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 5: you were to ice late some of the things that

860
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: Johnny said talking about how he feels about wild turkeys

861
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: and calling them in and hearing the goblin. If you

862
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 5: would to I said some of the things he said,

863
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: I would argue him. And I feel very similarly about

864
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 5: the thrill of hunting them.

865
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

866
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: And the difference like what he's doing here, he's being articulate.

867
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna split it up like a surgeon. This is good,

868
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: that's good.

869
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 5: So the difference is it's like I have those same

870
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: temptations when I go listening at turkeys and it's late February,

871
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: early March. Don't think it doesn't cross my mind to go, Man,

872
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 5: it'd be fun to you up that turkey up right now. Yeah,

873
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 5: because I'm gonna.

874
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: Be the older man in the woods.

875
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 5: There's been times where it's during season and two long

876
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: beards come in. I shoot one of them, the other

877
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 5: one sticks around. Don't think it doesn't cross my mind

878
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 5: to shoot the other one. Or I'm walking out with

879
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 5: him I hear another one. I have the same same temptations.

880
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 5: The difference is I don't do it because I feel

881
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 5: so strongly about the resource and the people that taught

882
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 5: me how to turkey hunt feel that way. So when

883
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 5: I hear that, I just there's no other ways. I

884
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 5: just don't like it. I don't like that attitude.

885
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: I don't like treating the resource that way.

886
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 5: But when you get to about fifty four minutes into

887
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 5: that podcast and he talks about meeting the Lord and

888
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 5: it changing his life, then him and I can find

889
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 5: common ground because while I've never been a serial turkey poacher,

890
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: Lord knows, I've sending a lot of other ways. So

891
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 5: up until minute fifty four, I was like I don't

892
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: like this, and then it hit minute fifty four I

893
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: was like, man, I love this guy.

894
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was about the arc of it.

895
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: I was like, eh, oh.

896
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. I don't I don't

897
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: think you differ. You did a good job of describing

898
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: it and breaking it down like these little segments.

899
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 2: Maybe.

900
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a serial turkey poacher either, never have,

901
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: and I feel like we would be like within a

902
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: degree of each other when it comes to I mean

903
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: the same when it comes to obeying the law. So

904
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: it's not like when I hear stories about Johnny Johnson

905
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: killing turkeys out of season that I'm like, go, Johnny, Yeah,

906
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: that's cool. So I guess my question really inside the

907
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: episode is why do why do people find it to

908
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: find it? So it's not entertainment, It's not like it's

909
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: not like a gladiator fight. It's just interesting. So, I mean,

910
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: so I find these Outlaws stories very interesting, and I

911
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: think it's because we grew up being taught to follow

912
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: the law so stringently that I mean, it was I

913
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: was of age before I knew people broke the law.

914
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean, my dad was just like so adamant about

915
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: it that and it's like, who are these crazy people intrigued?

916
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: The law intriguing?

917
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: Intriguing one hundred percent. So I mean it's not like

918
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for for Johnny. But you didn't even enjoy

919
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: it up until that point. You were just mad, really yeah,

920
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: so you were just like this isn't even cute.

921
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: I just well, again, I grew up hearing stories like

922
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 5: that about folks that just like, the limit meant nothing,

923
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 5: the law meant nothing.

924
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: The season dates, season dates meant nothing.

925
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 5: And that was always like you don't do that, Like

926
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 5: the resource means too much to be treated like that.

927
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 5: And so, like I said, he had some stories that

928
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 5: were unique to him, but the overall like temperament of

929
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: that side of his story, I'm like, I've heard this

930
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 5: before and I don't like it.

931
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: I hear what about okay? I think when I hear

932
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: a story like Johnny, people fairly fairly often will hear

933
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: me do a story on bear Grease, and they'll go,

934
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: I know a guy just like that, you need to

935
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: come interview. I would say, if you let me interview

936
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: fifty outlaws, one of them would I would have permission,

937
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: like internal permission to highlight. And Johnny, throughout his whole story,

938
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: I saw admirable traits of personal responsibility, open openness, and

939
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: honesty like so like I saw a bunch of other

940
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: stuff in case inside his stories about outlawn. I mean,

941
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: I just think, and I mean I guess. I'm I'm

942
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: telling you why I like the guy and why I

943
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: think most people might listen to it, and nobody's agreeing

944
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: with Like it was, Yeah, it was okay for Johnny

945
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: to kill Turkey's because he's honest about it. Like, no,

946
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't make it right. But I think most people

947
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: that had done what he done wouldn't come on the

948
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Bear Greeks and be as vulnerable and just like I

949
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: don't know why I did it, or you know, just

950
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: quite that open about it.

951
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 2: True.

952
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 5: And the other point is it's the folks that I

953
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 5: had been around, grew up here and had stories similar,

954
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 5: maybe not as egregious, but you'd hear them talk, and

955
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 5: I heard very few that had the redemption side of

956
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 5: it that Johnny had right. Most of them that I

957
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 5: heard or knew of, even if they'd hung up that

958
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 5: way of living, it was just because like, man, I

959
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 5: can't slip around like or they're like, ay, it's just

960
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 5: too much to risk these days. But you know, more

961
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 5: like it wouldn't have like I turned from it. I

962
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 5: realized that I shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, So that

963
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: was like very different.

964
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Well, and I did not know much about this story.

965
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: If the way I framed it up in the podcast

966
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: was true, is that all these people had talked to

967
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: me and just been you've got to go interview John Johnson,

968
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: and I would ask every single one of them.

969
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 4: Did you notice that the three things he talked about

970
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: doing that were bad. He had no control over what

971
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 4: do you mean he drank to excess? He didn't have

972
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: a beer or a whiskey drink or whatever it was.

973
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: He was an alcoholic. He used dope, regardless how much

974
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: he used, it was illegal. And he hunted turkeys with

975
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: reckless abandoned. So the three things that he talked about

976
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 4: in there were things that he had he couldn't control

977
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: himself with.

978
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: Now I don't understand when you say couldn't control I

979
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: mean you just say it was like he.

980
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: Had no self control. No, there was no self control

981
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: over it. Yeah.

982
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: Now that's not a justification though, for being able to

983
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: do it.

984
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: No, I just what I'm saying is there was something

985
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: missing in his life.

986
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then when he got when he got it

987
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: squared away at the redemptive part of that of his story.

988
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 4: That's why he's not ashamed to talk about it. That's

989
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 4: that was the feeling that I got. Yeah, because he

990
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: is unashamed now because he knows he's been forgiven.

991
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: He don't care what Clay newkem. Yeah, he don't care

992
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: what I think.

993
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 4: He knows that he's been forgiven and and he's rocking

994
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: on with his life as he should be. Yeah, I

995
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 4: always use that old analogy. People laugh, But I mean

996
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: I used to pee in the bed. I don't do

997
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 4: that no more either, you know. And I can say

998
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: that was and when I say that, I'm talking about

999
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't like last week.

1000
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: Is when I was a baby.

1001
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: But I mean that time I was coming back soon probably.

1002
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 4: But there we all, there's nobody sitting here that ain't

1003
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: messed up. There ain't nobody sitting here that ain't messed

1004
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 4: up on purpose. It just happened to be dope, alcohol

1005
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: and turkeys. Yeah, but he got all that squared away,

1006
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 4: and I could hearing him talk.

1007
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: I just he was somebody that I would listen to.

1008
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: Number One. I never heard any of the word fugalty.

1009
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: It didn't show up in mind. But what he meant,

1010
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: I knew exactly what.

1011
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah about the puzzle that that was calling it causing him.

1012
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 4: But it was just a totally different story than any

1013
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 4: other Outlaws story you've ever.

1014
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: Done for me, you know, I think too, if there

1015
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: were and man, forgive me for like being a little defensive,

1016
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I think I am. I think that Steve Vernella told me.

1017
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: He was like, you don't need to apologize for playing

1018
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: that story. But I still like kind of come in

1019
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: with like my hands raised like this Johnny Johnson didn't

1020
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: come to me so that he could tell that story.

1021
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like all that stuff has just been

1022
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: put to bed. It's it's not it's not stuff he

1023
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: even probably even cares that much about. Literally, he was

1024
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: a guy that when I talked to him on the phone,

1025
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: he I think he would have tried to if I

1026
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: was selling newspapers and he had money to buy one.

1027
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: I think he'd bought one from me just to be

1028
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: nice to me.

1029
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1030
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: I called him and was just like, Hey, can I

1031
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: come talk to you? And and he was just like, well,

1032
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: he literally said the first time, He's like, Clay, you're

1033
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: welcome to come down here. He said, I don't know

1034
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: that I've got a good story to tell you. I mean,

1035
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: he he way undersold. He was like, I don't I

1036
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know what we'll talk about.

1037
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: I don't you know. And and and uh so it's

1038
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: not like this guy was knocking on my door saying

1039
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: let's do a bear grace on me. I went down there,

1040
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: pride his arm to talk to me, and and and

1041
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: I think I can share this because it's it's just

1042
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: interesting and I don't think Johnny would mind. But he

1043
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: did have some people that told him he shouldn't talk

1044
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: to me.

1045
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: M I could. I could.

1046
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by that, like just because it would

1047
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: expose him.

1048
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: Just I mean, it was people close to him that

1049
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: loved him that We're just like, Johnny, why are you

1050
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: doing this? This is dumb, you know, just like why now,

1051
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: like you're seventy five years old, just let all that

1052
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: just go to sleep yep, you know. And Johnny told

1053
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: him this was after we had talked for three hours

1054
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: and we had just become we just had this pretty

1055
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: genuine connection for as much as somebody that's known someone

1056
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: for three hours could have, which I think is pretty legit.

1057
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: And he said, he said, he told this person that

1058
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: was looking out for his best interest. He said, the

1059
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: man told me it was going to be okay. And

1060
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: I believe the man talking about me. I mean, like

1061
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: I just I tried to Like when I first it's

1062
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: always awkward conversation the first time you talk to somebody,

1063
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: especially about something like this. Because I was just like, hey,

1064
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: I want to come talk to you about your turkey hunting.

1065
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: But I mean I had to tell him what I

1066
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: was after I said, I also want to hear about

1067
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know, about some of the illegal stuff

1068
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: you did. I mean, it's not like it's in the

1069
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: newspapers that he did illegal stuff. I mean, Johnny is

1070
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: just like people love him where he's from. If there's

1071
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: one thing I know after this podcast came out is

1072
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: how supportive the world is around him, of the people

1073
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: that just love Johnny and uh but and so you know,

1074
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: he's like, well, okay, if you want to talk about that,

1075
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean sure, And anyway, that's the hardest part of

1076
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: all this. If there's any magic inside of getting people

1077
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: to tell these stories, it's just like that first like

1078
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: connection with him and trying to say, hey, I go

1079
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: around and talk to people about bad things they've done,

1080
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: and I'd like to talk to you, Blake if I

1081
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: if like twenty years from now, I call you and

1082
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, and what he did?

1083
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 3: Oh he had a talk show back in the day

1084
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: where just would uncover every dirty deed everybody ever did.

1085
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1086
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if I call you one day and say,

1087
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: like a legitimate bargary on you, you should be like,

1088
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: what have I done.

1089
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: What do you know about me? Don't do it?

1090
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: I really liked the podcast, and I think I was

1091
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: kind of with Lake at the beginning, like listening to

1092
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: it and then I heard I heard the end. But

1093
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: I think the issue is is it's not a story

1094
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: of a reformed poacher, Like, that's not what it's about.

1095
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: It's it's the story of two different people, you know

1096
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's it's the story of what can

1097
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: happen when a moment of redemption hits that that that

1098
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: whole thing is just that's not him anymore. Like he

1099
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: literally sat there at his fire pit, gave his life

1100
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: to the Lord and became a completely different guy. And

1101
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: the fact that a man who is sixty years old,

1102
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: who's been a drug addict and an alcoholic for the

1103
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: greater majority of his life can immediately stop shows power

1104
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 3: beyond himself. And so I think I think in a

1105
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 3: sense that Johnny probably looks at that like that was

1106
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: a different guy, because he's not that guy. I mean,

1107
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: you hear him talk, He's like, I don't do that anymore.

1108
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: And it's not this like he didn't he didn't get

1109
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 3: to the point where he felt like he needed help,

1110
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: not poaching anymore, and he tried and tried and eventually

1111
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: he quit poaching. That it happened in an instant, and

1112
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: that's a to me, like one of the most honorable

1113
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: things that a human being can do is to transform

1114
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: like that. And that's that's worth that's worth highlighting to me.

1115
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: And I don't feel like the podcast at all glorified

1116
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: as poaching. I think what it did is it set

1117
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: set a stage to show who he is now. And

1118
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 3: I think I think that's the difference. You know, the

1119
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: the Louis Dell and Charlie was really entertaining. It was

1120
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: it was it was fun to listen to. But this

1121
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: is a story where of two men, of two separate men,

1122
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 3: it is a redemption story. And to me, that's what

1123
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: makes this podcast so good. And I think I think

1124
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: there's probably a lot of people out there who don't

1125
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: who don't necessarily know that that's available to them, you

1126
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean, There's a lot of people who

1127
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: live in regret. I mean, there's a lot of things

1128
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: that I've regretted in my life that I've done. But

1129
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 3: that's the great thing is about in an encounter with

1130
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: with God, like Johnny Johnston had radically changed this man's life. Well,

1131
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 3: there is there is no that's incredible.

1132
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 4: There is no worse feeling that being at the lowest

1133
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: point of your life and knowing that there is no

1134
01:00:54,560 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 4: further place to go, no further depth to go, and

1135
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: in an instant when you make up your mind and

1136
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: get your heart right, there is nothing that feels any

1137
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 4: better knowing that you are on your way out of

1138
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 4: it and you ain't never going back. And I have

1139
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 4: been there, and I know what that cat's talking about,

1140
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 4: and it's good.

1141
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's really good. Man.

1142
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Johnny's what I appreciated about him is his ability to articulate,

1143
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: like his experience of being on the mountain that daylight

1144
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: and the moment of his his salvation was powerful and

1145
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: super genuine. I mean, I mean, I think I can

1146
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: say this in the world to know what I'm talking about.

1147
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like the fact that it played on Meat Eater,

1148
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sure how how some people would have

1149
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: taken the the kind of direct story of salvation, and

1150
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: I think what people responded to it was just the

1151
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: genuineness of it, Like he was he wasn't trying to yep.

1152
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have to believe to understand what

1153
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 2: that man went.

1154
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody would listen to that, regardless of what

1155
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: doctrine they have about life and eternal life, and they

1156
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: would be like, I believe that that guy had a

1157
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: genuine experience that changed his life and he he he

1158
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: told us that story and hat tip to that just

1159
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: for human transformation and I and man, that's why this

1160
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: story was so cool for me. Like I called Josh

1161
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: after I left Johnny's house and I said, man, I

1162
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: mean I just I just was like on a high

1163
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: from talking to this guy, just because of how genuine

1164
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: he was and just and I knew that we had

1165
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: something special. Also, it was one of the hardest ones

1166
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: that I've put together. I mean, there's a lot of

1167
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: stuff that's not on there. And and you know, Johnny's

1168
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: not perfect today, and he wouldn't say that he was,

1169
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: nor is that what he's trying to advertise. I mean,

1170
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,959
Speaker 1: you know, how much of his story can we tell

1171
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: in you know, thirty five minutes of his actual voice?

1172
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this is this is a curated

1173
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: version of the story, honestly, I mean, but but it

1174
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: tells the truth. I mean, the story is the way

1175
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: that I perceived it, you know, but go Lee, man,

1176
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: That's why I think what we're I love stories like

1177
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: this because it involves the things that we love, hunting, fishing,

1178
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: but it's so much bigger than that. It's a it's

1179
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: a human story. It's it's the story of rural America.

1180
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: I talked about that in the beginning of the podcast.

1181
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, drugs, addiction, broken relationships. I mean, sometimes the

1182
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: stories that me and you tell are the are the

1183
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: good version of the rural America, you know, and we

1184
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: all know that there's a lot of negative stuff going

1185
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: on too well.

1186
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: I even keep it on the detail. You know.

1187
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 5: He talked about his dad knew about, hey, his turkey

1188
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 5: poaching and was like very disapproving, like, you know, son,

1189
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 5: you should not be doing this, you know, And that

1190
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 5: just made it more real. You know, you made it because,

1191
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 5: like you said, whether it's turkey poaching or something else

1192
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,959
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be doing, I could rely, I could relate

1193
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 5: to that part of a lot when you're doing something

1194
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 5: that like you're like, I shouldn't be doing this. I know,

1195
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 5: I shouldn't be doing this. My father doesn't approve, And

1196
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 5: that just made that made the redemption part of it

1197
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 5: mean more, I guess.

1198
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah. What was Josh, what was the most

1199
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: entertaining story?

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: I love the cold open I had it explained to

1201
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: man in part out in the Woods that I think

1202
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 3: I was killed in turkeys at the wrong time.

1203
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: I think I killed a turkey at the wrong time.

1204
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1205
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: I loved that that little the way the way and

1206
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: then he ended it and that and he that's how

1207
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: I explained it to me.

1208
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: That that is one of the if there was an

1209
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: all time best bear Grease just moments, that would be

1210
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: in the top five.

1211
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but he but he.

1212
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: Said, when tomatoes are right, he said where I come from,

1213
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: when tomatoes are ripe, you pick them. When the potatoes

1214
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: are right, you dig them. When the turkeys gobble, you

1215
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: go get you one, or when the turkeys are right,

1216
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: you go get you one. That's where we lost Lake.

1217
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 5: I told you when I listen to that draft, I said,

1218
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start using that next time I hear turkey

1219
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 5: gob and go who had tomatoes?

1220
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: Right?

1221
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: Hey, Let if there's anything that I did, like now,

1222
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: two weeks after this podcast came out and we finished

1223
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: it just like right before. If I had like six

1224
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: months to build these podcasts. They would probably be slightly

1225
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: different than just my initial blow at it, you know,

1226
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: and I was pretty heavy handed. Jannis Poutellus thinks that

1227
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: I that I over that I over host like would

1228
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: be relevant for me and you to talk about.

1229
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: He just he just he just thinks, I let the

1230
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: story tell the story.

1231
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Basically, he was like, I wish you'd just let

1232
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: Johnny talk and you wouldn't even be on.

1233
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 4: We call it clay blaming, that's what. And I want

1234
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 4: you watch Josh, you're around it more than any of us.

1235
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: When he goes to clays blaming something, his right hand

1236
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: does this right here.

1237
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: I watch.

1238
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: Well, And I want to talk about one thing that

1239
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: that I kind of went on and on about because

1240
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: it was interesting to me. Where I said that Johnny's

1241
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: excuse today is that it was a different time. And

1242
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean it if you would have the right to

1243
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: just roll your eyes at that, I mean, it's just like,

1244
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: give me a break, you know, I mean poachings, poachings, poaching,

1245
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, as long as it wasn't like in the

1246
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds and literally there were no laws. I mean

1247
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: you could make a case. I mean, we did this

1248
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: thing recently with the Buckley Foster about the progression from

1249
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: market hunting to this conservation mindset we have today. And

1250
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, there were game laws in this part of

1251
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: the world really in the eighteen seventies, and then it

1252
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: went further and further and further until the creation of

1253
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: the Game and Fish Commission in nineteen fifteen. And I mean,

1254
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: game laws have been around for a long time. It's

1255
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: not like they just happened in the nineteen seventies. And

1256
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Louis Dell and then were just like, oh,

1257
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: game laws. But so you know, but at the same time,

1258
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a different time. Do you think

1259
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: that's fair? And I explained over and over too much

1260
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: about the things back in the seventies. There were a

1261
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: ton of turkeys. Back in the seventies, there was I mean,

1262
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: turkey hunters like we know today were almost non existent.

1263
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, for what my dad can tell

1264
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: you about it, everybody can tell you about it. In

1265
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: that part of the world in the nineteen seventies, you

1266
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: go turkey hunting in the National Forest, you're gonna have

1267
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: it all to yourself.

1268
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 4: We all are a product of our communities our environments,

1269
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 4: you know. And it is never an excuse, but I

1270
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 4: think it could be a reason. Because anything that you

1271
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 4: can do get ticketed for and pay a fine and

1272
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 4: go on, that means it's legal for a fee. Yeah yeah,

1273
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 4: right or wrong yep. So, and it just wasn't looked upon.

1274
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 4: You had to have he got explained. He had it

1275
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 4: explained to him by that judge, and from then on

1276
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 4: it was like, Okay, I'm still going to do it,

1277
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 4: but I'm going on. And there's an old joke, it's

1278
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 4: old police joke where a policeman stops the guy for

1279
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 4: slowing down at a stop sign because no one else

1280
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 4: was coming, and he pulls him over. That's what he's

1281
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 4: stopping me for. He said, well, you didn't stop at

1282
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 4: that stop sign. He says, well, I slowed down. What's

1283
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 4: the difference, he says, step out of the car. He

1284
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: steps out of the car. He starts hitting him in

1285
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 4: the head with the flashlight and he says, now, do

1286
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 4: you want me to stop or you want me to

1287
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 4: slow down? So when he.

1288
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: Got when when he realized the different.

1289
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: When you when you when they difference explained to you

1290
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 4: and it's all on you, then you know I'm not

1291
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 4: saying the man didn't understand what the laws were, right,

1292
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 4: but the norms of the societal norms of where he

1293
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 4: was at.

1294
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: You know, it was I think too.

1295
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about at that point in Johnny's

1296
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 3: life there were a lot worse things happening. Killing some

1297
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: turkeys were was the kind of the lowest rung of

1298
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 3: his egregious.

1299
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: Violations, you know.

1300
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 3: And I remember, I remember when we're doing the Paddlefish

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Speaker 3: Wars podcast and we're talking to Jeff Brown, Captain Jeff

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Speaker 3: Brown the Oklahoma Oh Death, I can't remember there.

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01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: They're game and fish, big big guy in Yeah.

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01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 3: And I remember when when he talked about busting the

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: guys that he'd spent you know, a year chasing after

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01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: and they just got a slap on the wrists, and

1307
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: we're like, did that did that bother you? And he's like, man,

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 3: there's people out there getting murdered, there's kids out there

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: getting getting abused. It's like, this is in the grand

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 3: scheme of things. This is pretty low on the on

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01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: the things that are going to hurt society. And and

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, as much as I want to steward the

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: resource that we have for generations killing turkeys is is

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01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: not as not.

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 2: As high on the run.

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01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: It really bothers me to think like that, but it's

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01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, I mean, I know it bothers like

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01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it bothers me. It's like I want turkey

1319
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: poachers to go to jail, Like I want them to

1320
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: go to jail. But then when you actually like start

1321
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: looking at the big picture of life, and now, anybody

1322
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: that's sitting in this room, or maybe even anyone listening

1323
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: to this podcast, you are the minority of the world

1324
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: that you probably care for wildlife and specifically game species

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: of wildlife more than the average person, right, you know.

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's like this thing that we've focused

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: on and we've said this is very important. I mean,

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: and the truth is humans don't need a wild turkey

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01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: to survive. Now, Like, don't get mad at me. I'm

1330
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: playing the devil's advocate because I believe that. I mean,

1331
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: we we've chosen a lifestyle in a way of viewing

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: the world that we're like it actually does it's really important.

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01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: You know, I think I'd die if they did.

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01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: What was that quote that I sent you the other day, Oh,

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01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:31,919
Speaker 1: it said.

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 5: Oh, a world with something about a world without birds

1337
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 5: as a bird I don't want to exist in or

1338
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 5: something like that.

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: Well, it was that was the essence of it. But

1340
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: it said humans can't exist without bird.

1341
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: Yes, that was it.

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. It was just like metaphorical kind

1343
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: of are like just beautiful saying about this person's expressing

1344
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: their love for birds. But they were also actually talking

1345
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 1: about how birds make the world go round, eating insects

1346
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: and keeping them off crop and all that. But basically

1347
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: they were like, humans have to have birds. I sent

1348
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: it to Late because he likes DUTs.

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01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna take I mean, I hear the point.

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: You just made.

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take it put a little bit different spin

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01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 5: on it, right, So I do agree, like definitely about

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01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 5: to being a product to your society, because I have thought,

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 5: you know, because I've crossed paths with guys that are

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 5: my age and younger that I don't know if they

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 5: did anything as you know, killing as many or but

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 5: guys that were willing to break the law for wildlife

1358
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 5: and hunting stuff, and it would cross my mind and think, like, man,

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 5: if I wasn't if I didn't have a main turkey

1360
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 5: out mentor like Keith Polk or followed up by Will

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01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 5: for real, Will Primos, guys like that, would I have

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 5: the same views that I have the same values. But

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01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 5: then talking about like I mean, I definitely hear like

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 5: low on the wrong, you know, grand scheme of society.

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01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 5: But man, when I think about turkey on, just turkey

1366
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 5: and I could go down this direction with a lot

1367
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 5: of different stuff, but we're talking about turkey on today.

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 5: Some of the most impactful relationships that I've had in

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 5: my life, some of the most impactful friendships. I mean,

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 5: like me and I know Keith Polk because of spring turkeys,

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 5: and Keith Polk has been other than my actual father,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if there's been a male figure that's

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01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 5: been more impactful than Keith has good human being. So

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 5: when I think about Turkey's and turkey hunting, and I

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 5: attach such a high value to that resource. Of course,

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about the hunting side of it, but I'm

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01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 5: also thinking about the people that I know and the

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 5: friendships that I have because of it. Heck, my whole

1379
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 5: career started because of a love for turkey on. So

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Speaker 5: when I see that get abused, that's why it strikes such.

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 2: A chord with me. Yeah, oh I get it.

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, noah, I mean that's that's that's that's the

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01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: way we all feel. I mean it's true. Mm hmm,

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, that's a great it's a great way

1385
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: to say it. Yeah. I mean we've we've fixated our

1386
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: life where this is like something really important, you know,

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: and and and I think in society that's really that

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: is really important because the only reason wild turkeys are

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01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: still here today is because of hunters who loved them.

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean essentially that carried them all over the country.

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01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: We put them out in new places. I mean, like

1392
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, the story of the wild turkey in North

1393
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: America if you if you don't know, it is pretty astonishing.

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean, numbers got down super low, I don't know

1395
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: around the turn of the century. I mean the people

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01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: that brought it back. It wasn't the tree huggers, it

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: wasn't rich people from some place. It was it was

1398
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Speaker 1: turkey hunters. Yep. That's like so yeah, so in that case,

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: we do have a right to be like, don't abuse

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01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: our resource, you know. But uh, I always think about

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: it from a historic revision standpoint, though, Like when when

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01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: when you like look back at a time and you

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: just go, man, that was so bad, because I there's

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: there may be people today in America that are proaching

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: turkeys like that, and I hope they get caught and

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: I hope they go to jail. Yeah, I mean that

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01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: that's the way I feel about it. But I don't

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01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: think it's as common today as it would have been

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01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: back then. And I do think it was a different time.

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01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like, man, and again, I'm not trying to

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: justify what Johnny did, but I'm just saying, fifty years ago, Bural,

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01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: Oklahoma was a different place than it is today, and

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: there has been this transition from these guys that had

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: this resource to this like hyper fixated conservation hunter that's

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: kind of arisen today where we're like, hey, it's not

1416
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: cool to break the law.

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say was I

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: think that we've done a good job, as you know,

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01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: game and agencies and ethical hunters to make obeying game

1421
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: laws cool. You know what I mean That it's not

1422
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: you know, there used to be this outlaw mentality. Now

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01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 3: it's like it's like we don't do that like that.

1424
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 3: That's what's that's what's going to keep us from having hunting.

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 3: And I think there's been a good mind shift about that, Yeah,

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01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 3: because you know, we've got to protect it if we're

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01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: going to have it.

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01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: So mm hm. Anyway, I don't want to name his name,

1429
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: but this dude that's like a known poacher that has

1430
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: like a poaching in like social media presence, are you

1431
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: aware of that? You you were aware of that guy.

1432
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say his name.

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. Yeah, I dare not say his name, but yeah,

1434
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm aware of him.

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01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: Is that common? That was the first time I've ever

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: seen anything like that.

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01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 5: No, it's not common, and it it honestly, it's a

1438
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 5: it's something that we've hashed out before, and he's honestly,

1439
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 5: it's honestly not as prevalent. He's not as prevalent now

1440
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 5: as he used to be.

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 4: Uh, But that was the thing our friends sent us

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01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 4: this morning. First I ever saw that was at the

1443
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 4: first Yeah, good, I never heard of that.

1444
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: It's just this guy that like his shtick is that

1445
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: he's a poacher, you.

1446
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: Know, a social media yeah yeah, yeah, And frankly I

1447
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 4: can't stand him.

1448
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't.

1449
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody could, and that's where people get confused.

1450
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: Someone in jest sent that to me. That person shall

1451
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: remain nameless.

1452
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: H don't look at me.

1453
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't you. But it was just like somebody like

1454
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: you and they were like, why don't you have this

1455
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: guy on the podcast? And uh, and it was it

1456
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: was a joke. But it's like, no, that's not I mean,

1457
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: that is not cool. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's

1458
01:18:58,160 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: it's just like very fine.

1459
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: It's disgraceful. It's disgraceful. No integrity.

1460
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, you know, there's a big difference between

1461
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: somebody that's doing that and somebody that makes an honest

1462
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: mistake and gets a wildlife violation.

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1464
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I probably a pretty high percentage of

1465
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: serious hunters that are have have received some kind of

1466
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 1: wildlife violation just because of sheer exposure.

1467
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: Really in this chair, in this room. No, well me,

1468
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: there you go a quarter.

1469
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Johnny. Hey, few young podcasters out there. There's

1470
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: some little seven year olds out there that's gonna have

1471
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: a podcast one day. Come talk to uncle Klay. No,

1472
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: I've talked about it on this podcast. I got a

1473
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: shooting at night no, No, that's not true. Accidentally, that's

1474
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: not true. That's not true at all. It was a

1475
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: it was a it was a squirrel wanting to waste

1476
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: violation for a single squirrel. I mean, I've talked about

1477
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: it on the media podcast years ago, and it was

1478
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: it was a massive deal in my life. Not because

1479
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 1: I got in trouble. I just went and paid a ticket.

1480
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 5: I remember, I remember.

1481
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: It was a huge deal.

1482
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean it like broke me down for like years,

1483
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: truly did. And there's not nothing to say that I

1484
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: couldn't get a violation tomorrow book just I mean, just

1485
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: on accident. Stuff happens. But I mean I'm not saying that.

1486
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's good people that have stuff happened

1487
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: to them.

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01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1489
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: That's true. Oh yeah, this get the lake?

1490
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: Lake?

1491
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,799
Speaker 1: Would Lake is like the fly fishermen of Turkey hunting?

1492
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 2: What is that?

1493
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: It means like elitists like you know, like sinning and

1494
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: spent spinning and sinning, you know, like you like being like,

1495
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: oh did you catch it with a spoon and rule

1496
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: or with a fly rod? I would say in the

1497
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: Turkey world, Lake holds the highest standards.

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01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't there'd be some people that would argue with

1499
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 2: you on that.

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01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, uh well what a renders it's this

1501
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: is I love these conversations. It's just interesting to me.

1502
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just interesting, you know, and it kind

1503
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: of makes people talk. One thing that Steve Renella said

1504
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: to me the other day is he said, hey, even

1505
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: if people didn't like it, he said, if it makes

1506
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 1: people talk about hunting conservation and makes them like flesh

1507
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: out more of their doctrine for why they do what

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: they do. I think a lot of times we just

1509
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: have things that are formed and we don't really know why,

1510
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: or we don't really think it all the way out.

1511
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: And a story like this makes you think some of

1512
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: it out. And I'm still wondering about it because I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I still even go back to maybe

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: the most interesting thing about Johnny, and I think this

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: is the reason that I'll probably still do outlaw maybe

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01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: not outlaw stuff, but that you don't have to be

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01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: an outlaw. But I think Johnny is more honest about

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: his life than a lot of clean cup people that

1519
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: I know.

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01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean I just think he's I just think he's honest.

1522
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

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01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 2: Who didn't like a story with a happy ending?

1524
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a pretty fantastic ending.

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01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, good one. Yep, absolutely.

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01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: Well. Anything in closing, Brent, anything you want to talk

1527
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: about pertaining to the episode, anything, anything in the world.

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01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 2: Uh. I like a tart cherry pie more than like sweet.

1529
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 2: I like it tart. How do you get that? I

1530
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 2: don't know. My wife cooks them, so you'd have to

1531
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: ask her.

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01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: Put mushrooms in it, not that I know of, Blake,

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: What about you closing closing thoughts comments me and like

1534
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: you're going turkey hunting closing thoughts, Well, you.

1535
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: Know you ain't gonna be poaching if you're going with lakes.

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01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 5: Sorry off your list closing thoughts. I guess you know.

1537
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 5: Like I said, Johnny was about in the worst kind

1538
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 5: of way as you could ever be.

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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 2: And he found redemption and for everybody and by way

1540
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 2: by way of the Lord. Yep, same way I found it.

1541
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 2: So think on that.

1542
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 5: I'm sure that there's as many people who listen to it,

1543
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 5: especially some madele the bear grease feed, I mean the

1544
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 5: meat eater feed. Somebody listened to that story that probably

1545
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 5: could use a little redemption.

1546
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Josh, I'll take that one.

1547
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 2: I'll take that for my elitist ways.

1548
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: Man, if I could, if the Bear Grease podcasts were

1549
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: just guys like Johnny Johnson Joe Rogan would be knocking

1550
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 1: on my door wanting to be on the render.

1551
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: I've had.

1552
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: Some people are like, why don't you do more of

1553
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: those people?

1554
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Dig the out laws?

1555
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Well, are just people stories? Yeah, I mean it's hard.

1556
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: It's hard to they're hard to put your hands on.

1557
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, and boy, when you when you get one,

1558
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: like like Johnny, you just it's it's special.

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01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: Love it.

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01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: Closing thoughts, Josh.

1561
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 2: Nope, I don't have anything nothing.

1562
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna go kill some turkeys. I'm going to Kentucky.

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01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 3: All are going stayd in Arkansas. We're gonna go bring

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 3: home some birds. Keep watching on social media. We'll put

1565
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 3: pictures up.

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01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: Keep watching. All right, Well, thanks for coming up, Brent Lake,

1567
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: thanks for being here, Josh, appreciate it. And uh, keep

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01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the beers were