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Speaker 1: Time to Catch a Cheater. Only on the Jubile Show,

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Speaker 1: Madeleine is on the phone today for to Catch a

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Speaker 1: Cheater and she thinks that her husband of six years

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Speaker 1: might be messing around. So we'll see if we can

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Speaker 1: help her out, but first let's find out why. Madeleine,

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Speaker 1: sorry you have to come on the show this way,

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Speaker 1: but what's up? Why do you think that Jonah might

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Speaker 1: be cheating on you?

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Speaker 2: So I've been married to Jonah for six years, and

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Speaker 2: we've known each other longer than that, and things have

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Speaker 2: been pretty good for the most part. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: a really good man, he's a good husband. He treats

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Speaker 2: me like a princess for the most part.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm calling because a year ago I started.

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Speaker 2: To feel like something was off, and I didn't every

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Speaker 2: think it was possible, but I sort.

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Speaker 3: Of suspected that there might be some.

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Speaker 2: Cheating and I had a like a gut instinct. So

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Speaker 2: I do admit that I checked his phone and I

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Speaker 2: found a bunch of text messages between him and another

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Speaker 2: woman named Stephanie.

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Speaker 3: So it was true, and I.

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Speaker 2: Confronted her and I called her and I told her

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Speaker 2: that I knew and then I confronted Jonah, and I,

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Speaker 2: to be quite honest, I was really proud of myself

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Speaker 2: for standing my ground and for setting boundaries and saying

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Speaker 2: to both of them, look, I I know what is

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Speaker 2: going on, and you know, here's here's my Here's where

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Speaker 2: I draw the line, you know. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: I do that in my life as much as I

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Speaker 2: maybe should, but I did in this instance. So I

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Speaker 2: wasn't sure what was going to happen. But Jonah apologized

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Speaker 2: and he promised he would never do it again. And

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Speaker 2: it ended, and he promised to.

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Speaker 3: Go to couples counseling, I mean the whole, the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: So things were.

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Speaker 2: Going well, you know, I was we were going out

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Speaker 2: in our relationship and you're well till about a month ago.

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Speaker 2: I just want to believe that he's changed, but something

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Speaker 2: that it's like all in my head, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: so sure anymore. So I noticed there were a few

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Speaker 2: things that changed, like he started locking his phone about

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Speaker 2: and then like if the phone he'd left the phone

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Speaker 2: or if he had the phone with him, like if

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Speaker 2: we were watching TV, he would put it upside down

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Speaker 2: so the screen was on the table. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I after I looked that one time, like I never

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Speaker 2: felt inclined to look again because I trusted him that

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Speaker 2: He was like it was a.

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Speaker 3: Mistake, and I'm you know, I'm done. So I haven't

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Speaker 3: wanted to look on his phone.

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Speaker 2: I just noticed sitting next to him one night, well

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Speaker 2: he was on his phone, because we that's like.

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Speaker 3: Just what we do. I just noticed something that was

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Speaker 2: And he started making excuses for going to a couple's counseling.

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Speaker 2: He missed a couple and he was like, maybe your

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Speaker 2: something on calendar and he didn't like the first therapist.

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Speaker 2: And then he started making excuses with me, and this

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Speaker 3: Same excuses like he had to.

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Speaker 2: after work. And he would reassure me like it's just

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Speaker 3: And but like that would be it. He wouldn't include

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to say that he isn't working,

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Speaker 2: because he he is building. He's like building up his

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Speaker 2: and so that does take time and commitment.

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Speaker 3: Every time we have a plan, he was canceling, so I.

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Speaker 2: Think he might be seeing I mean maybe seeing that

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Speaker 2: I think I'm just really scared to have it be

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Speaker 3: I emailed as a latch, last ditch effort.

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Speaker 2: Just I just need an answer, because I need to

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Speaker 2: or if there's like a real red flag and I

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see if we can help you out. You

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Speaker 1: already told us what grocery store. He's a Rewards card member,

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Speaker 1: so we'll call him and pretend to be from the

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Speaker 1: grocery store and say that Every single month, we choose

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Speaker 1: one lucky Rewards member who gets a free gift from

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Speaker 1: us and it's flowers delivered from our floral department, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see if he sends those to you or to

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Speaker 1: somebody else. Okay, okay, all right, pleas I'll come back

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Speaker 1: and get your to Catch a Heater next if you're

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Speaker 1: just joining us for today's to Catch a Heater. Madeline

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Speaker 1: is on the phone and she thinks that her husband

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Speaker 1: six years might be cheating. His name is Jonah. So

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Speaker 1: we're about to call him and pretend to be from

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Speaker 1: the grocery store that he's a rewards card member at

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Speaker 1: and say that every single month, we choose one lucky

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Speaker 1: rewards member who gets a free gift from us, and

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Speaker 1: its flowers delivered from our floral department, and they can

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Speaker 1: be delivered to anybody that he wants, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: if he sends those to his wife, Madeline, or to

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Speaker 1: somebody else. But before we do that, Madelin, why don't

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Speaker 1: you break down your situation real quick for us again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been married for about six years and I

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Speaker 2: discovered that my husband had admitted to cheating about a

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Speaker 2: year ago and broke it off. And we've been working

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Speaker 2: together to rebuild our marriage and through you counseling and

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Speaker 2: things were going really well except about a month ago.

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Speaker 3: I just notic things started to change. He started locking.

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Speaker 2: His phone and not coming home at night, or canceling

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Speaker 3: Distant.

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Speaker 1: Ready for us to call him. Yeah, all right, here

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Corbett calling from I was looking for

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Speaker 1: our Rewards card member named Jonah. This is Jona Jonah. Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Please? Don't hang up. This is not

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Speaker 1: a marketing phone call. I'm actually calling to say congratulations,

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Speaker 1: thank you for shopping with us. Here this month's winner.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what did I?

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Speaker 1: Uh? What did?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Did I win?

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Speaker 1: The flowers Jonah? Every single month, we choose one Rewards

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Speaker 1: Card member who gets a free gift from US, and

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Speaker 1: it's flowers delivered from our brand new and improved Florida

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Speaker 1: department to anybody that you want within the fifteen United State.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely free. You've just won thirty six long stim

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Speaker 1: red roses, a box of candy or chocolate, and a

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Speaker 1: a three hundred and sixteen dollars value.

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Speaker 3: Actually, well that's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: Nice congratulations cool. Yeah, And here's how it works. It's

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Speaker 1: very simple. The first thing I would need from you

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Speaker 1: Okay? Got that? Okay? And did you want to send

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But if I can, that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. What would you like the card to say?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry? I Denise?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding that you win flowers delivery and you

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Speaker 2: want to send them to Denise instead of your own wife?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jonah, that's your wife. This is actually the Jebel Show.

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Speaker 1: It's a radio show. Hi, I'm Victoria, I'm Jebel, and

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Speaker 1: we do a segment called to Catch a Cheater where

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Speaker 1: ever you think your significant other might be messing around?

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Speaker 1: You See, they send flowers to so your wife wants

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Speaker 3: Wait, what is mat mad On going on? Macdone? Yes,

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Speaker 3: I absolutely do. He caught you once? So you I am?

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Speaker 3: This is uh who is on the phone? Denise? Denise's

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Speaker 3: a friend, she just didn't helping me out of work?

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Speaker 3: Why are you sending her flowers? I uh? So you're

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Speaker 3: sending her like a dozen roses? You don't send a

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Speaker 3: us out of the flowers are free They said they

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: She's on the top of my mind.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, right, okay, fine, then why are you locking your phone?

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Speaker 2: Why are you making excuses for getting out of counseling.

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Speaker 2: Why are you not spending time with me? Why are

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Speaker 3: Why are you when the counsel and did his job.

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Speaker 4: All right, Look, we were we were doing great, all right, Well,

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Speaker 3: All of that was like working before putting on the radio,

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Speaker 3: And you didn't send me your wife the flowers.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if they were free or if they

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Speaker 3: Okay, I know that you're texting with this woman. No

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Speaker 4: Letting me, right, now, no, no, no, no, one who's been

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Speaker 3: Up on me. I mean, come on, come on, you

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Speaker 3: break it into my phone. I mean, who's the crazy

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Speaker 1: Are with this person?

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Speaker 3: Really you're not texting with her?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Then what does this mean? Can't wait to do that

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Speaker 2: that again? Splash emoji?

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Speaker 4: Whoa Oh that is an ason of my privacy.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I apologize to anybody who is listening

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Speaker 2: to this show right now, because I am your privacy.

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Speaker 2: Your privacy doesn't exist anymore, especially with the fact that

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Speaker 2: you have now cheated on me multiple times with multiple partners.

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Speaker 2: You have put me and my health and my heart

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Speaker 3: Well can you hang up on him?

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Speaker 1: Sure? I hung up on him, and I'm sorry you

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Speaker 2: I can't believe, but I am so grateful to you guys.

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Speaker 2: How many just take a break?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well yeah, I mean, you've got a lot to

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Speaker 3: I don't have to think about anything at all anymore.

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Speaker 2: I knew he might be cheating, and I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to hear the words for my divorce lawyer. I'm done

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Speaker 2: with his gaslighting and his emotional abuse, and to be

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Speaker 3: The locksmith is.

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Speaker 5: At my house right now changing my locks, and his

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Speaker 5: stuff is already half packed. So he messed up by

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Speaker 5: unlocking his phone because I also have screenshots of their

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Speaker 5: conversation and I shouldn't have blurted it out because it

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Speaker 5: kind of like sent it like maybe gave him too

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Speaker 5: much information, but like, who's crazy now?

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Speaker 3: And I will never ever be treated that way again.

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Speaker 2: So you guys are the best and being on your

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Speaker 2: show like changed my life.

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Speaker 3: For the better.

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Speaker 1: Well, good luck with everything. Let us know if you

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Speaker 1: need anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, I really will and I will be

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Speaker 2: in touch and let you know how wonderfully my life

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Speaker 2: is going on.

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Speaker 1: That's a good way to look at it. Thank you.

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