Speaker 1: I mean. The thing that people say to me the most,
Speaker 1: which is what makes me really just more in love
Speaker 1: with this work every day is I trust myself more
Speaker 1: and I feel capable.
Speaker 2: Jenni Zo is the world leading expert in human design
Speaker 2: and creator of the Aligned Human Design app. Since discovering
Speaker 2: human design in twenty thirteen, Jenna has turned a complicated
Speaker 2: science into something accessible and easy to implement.
Speaker 1: You come here as your authentic self. You know, you're
Speaker 1: just naturally living the way that you organically would. But
Speaker 1: then you live in the world, and the world says
Speaker 1: you should be more like this or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: you get further and further away from living according to
Speaker 1: your just like nature. So what human design does is
Speaker 1: it gives you this very practical manual for how to
Speaker 1: use your specific energetic body.
Speaker 2: What do you think stops people from being able to
Speaker 2: connect to their most authentic self?
Speaker 1: Your authentic self is glorious. There is no other thing
Speaker 1: worth doing with our time here than just to dare
Speaker 1: to discover what you actually are.
Speaker 2: Welcome to a Really Good Cry podcast. A Really Good
Speaker 2: Cry is here to help you understand your body, feel
Speaker 2: confident in your skin, manage your emotions, and take back
Speaker 2: control of your health because growth doesn't always start with answers.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it starts with a really good cry. Thank you
Speaker 2: again for having me, No, Jenna, thank you.
Speaker 1: So it's very much fun here.
Speaker 2: I have been deep diving into you and human design,
Speaker 2: and I have to say I'm a little bit obsessed.
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, I had one to three of my
Speaker 2: friends and my husband and me and I did everyone
Speaker 2: use your quiz to do everyone's human design? I would
Speaker 2: love to get into it because I feel like it's
Speaker 2: something that I've heard people talk about a lot, but
Speaker 2: only when I started resetting you I understood how much
Speaker 2: how powerful it can be in your life. So could
Speaker 2: you give me the most layman, simplest terms definition of
Speaker 2: what human design is?
Speaker 1: Okay, So it only came about into the world like
Speaker 1: forty years ago. It was channeled in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: And it's a combination of a lot of other pre
Speaker 1: existing modalities, so astrology, yeah, the eaching, the chakra system,
Speaker 1: and the kabata.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a mixture of all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, So Alec, the most obvious thing to
Speaker 1: think about it is it's a literal map of your
Speaker 1: energetic body.
Speaker 2: Your aura.
Speaker 1: And so imagine like you come in here with this
Speaker 1: specific essence, and you have this manual on how to
Speaker 1: use your energy, how you give it, how you exchange it,
Speaker 1: how you optimize it, the different gifts that are inherent
Speaker 1: to you, your specific essence, and there's this manual that's
Speaker 1: laying here that no one's given you before. What happens
Speaker 1: is you come here as your authentic self. You know,
Speaker 1: you're just naturally living the way that you would like
Speaker 1: organically would But then you live in the world and
Speaker 1: the world says, well done for going to help someone
Speaker 1: do this when you didn't want to, or you know,
Speaker 1: you should be more like this or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: you get further and further away from living according to
Speaker 1: your just like nature. So what human design does is
Speaker 1: it gives you this like very practical manual for how
Speaker 1: to use your specific energetic body. And you think about
Speaker 1: it as the soul is actually around the body. It's
Speaker 1: the body that just sits inside the soul. So it's
Speaker 1: just the one tiny physical representation of all that you are.
Speaker 1: But when I'm sitting with you, your area is six
Speaker 1: feet wider than yourself, right right, our auras are intermingling
Speaker 1: I'm feeling all this exchange of energy that's going in
Speaker 1: and out of you the whole time. How you're using
Speaker 1: your gifts, how you're optimizing your brain, how you're digesting things,
Speaker 1: information and food, all these different components. And even if
Speaker 1: I'm not able to pinpoint what I'm actually picking up
Speaker 1: from you, I still am picking up like everyone's an
Speaker 1: energy reader. So what we want to be doing is
Speaker 1: we want to be showing up as our most organic self,
Speaker 1: our most natural self, because that's when people gravitate towards
Speaker 1: us the most of when people respond to us better,
Speaker 1: that's when things kind of go our way. So it's
Speaker 1: just like a very practical manual for how you actually
Speaker 1: become your real self. It's like a half spirituality but
Speaker 1: also very mechanical, which I really like the marriage of
Speaker 1: those two things.
Speaker 2: I love the marriage of that. And I love what
Speaker 2: you said about there being this like six foot aura
Speaker 2: that's around us because it's so true. I mean, if
Speaker 2: there's so many things that we can't see in the
Speaker 2: world that exist, and I think it's really sometimes difficult
Speaker 2: for people who are you know, there's so much black
Speaker 2: and white in this world too, where it's like this
Speaker 2: is what is true, and this is what is not
Speaker 2: based on what you see, based on what science can prove.
Speaker 2: But then there's this whole world that exists where maybe
Speaker 2: we can't even put it into numbers. You might even
Speaker 2: not be able to put it into something you can
Speaker 2: see or make math out of, but it exists because
Speaker 2: you can feel it, and sometimes that's so much more
Speaker 2: powerful even than the things that you can experiment on.
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. And so one of the components
Speaker 1: inside your human design chart is your authority, which is
Speaker 1: basically how your intuition functions, right, Like everyone's intuition is
Speaker 1: slightly different. And the reason why they call it your
Speaker 1: authority is because when you start to use it, you
Speaker 1: become the authority of your own life. Now what does
Speaker 1: that mean is like, not this is right because this
Speaker 1: will lead you to the success that you desire, and
Speaker 1: not sort of like working backwards to try and you know,
Speaker 1: co strategize everything so that you get to an outcome.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I'm trusting this even though I don't
Speaker 1: know how it's making sense, but I just have to
Speaker 1: do it. And that's where you know, the real unlock comes.
Speaker 2: I love what you said about the magnetic energy being
Speaker 2: when you're living your most authentic self, and you really
Speaker 2: do feel that in people, and it's actually quite a
Speaker 2: rare thing, I think, to experience in people. The main
Speaker 2: time that I've experienced it is with my spiritual teacher
Speaker 2: rather than Sami, and as soon as I met him,
Speaker 2: and every single time since, it's almost like, not only
Speaker 2: do I feel like he is radiating so much, like
Speaker 2: you don't even have to have him speak anything before
Speaker 2: you feel his energy, but also it feels like he
Speaker 2: sees you in a completely different way. And I think
Speaker 2: also what comes with authenticity is the ability to perceive
Speaker 2: other people better, Like, not only are you showing up
Speaker 2: with a specific aura, you're able to see other people
Speaker 2: without filter too. You're able to see other people's look
Speaker 2: into their eyes and maybe see a little bit more
Speaker 2: than an average person might if they're not living in
Speaker 2: the authentic self or if they've got all these filters
Speaker 2: in front of them. And so I definitely think it's
Speaker 2: something that you can feel, and you feel sparks of
Speaker 2: it in people too.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's when you actually have more of a
Speaker 1: like confection. Yeah, you kind of want to get closer
Speaker 1: to them. And so what human design also says is
Speaker 1: that when you are living out of conditioning right, like
Speaker 1: your fear, your blocks or whatever, then you can't see
Speaker 1: the other person lying right, because you're running a story
Speaker 1: of reality rather than actual just reading energy and responding
Speaker 1: to it. So that's when you have all this like
Speaker 1: misunderstanding about other humans and all the judgments can exist
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, But you dissipate that by
Speaker 1: just radically showing up as your real self as much
Speaker 1: as possible. Obviously, you know, not a lot of people,
Speaker 1: we don't all get it right all the time, but
Speaker 1: you know, just more and more we want to just
Speaker 1: be going in the directionally correct.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing to aspire to, Yeah, especially if
Speaker 2: you've experienced it or scene around you like that. You
Speaker 2: know it exists. You said that it was created somewhat recently.
Speaker 2: Who created it?
Speaker 1: A man called rah Uru who who was a student
Speaker 1: of the eaching and a student of all those modalities,
Speaker 1: and it was basically, I guess he channeled it, downloaded it,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. One day when he
Speaker 1: realized there was a pattern that was present in all
Speaker 1: of those things, and it was also like really, really
Speaker 1: into science. He really understood stuff that's even cutting edge
Speaker 1: now about things like neutrinos that are sub atomic particles
Speaker 1: that are made by the planets in our solar system.
Speaker 1: And he spoke about how, then, why do you take
Speaker 1: the birth time? Is because we are living in this
Speaker 1: big giant neutrino stream of all these sub atomic particles
Speaker 1: coming through our body right now, and they're particles that
Speaker 1: don't just bounce off you, they pass through you. So
Speaker 1: they literally carry an energy that kind of conditions you.
Speaker 1: And so the day and time you're born, you're born
Speaker 1: into a specific neutrino stream, and if you can measure
Speaker 1: that energy, that's the energy that your souliers to pop
Speaker 1: in through. And so if we measure that initial energy,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that you always have to come back to.
Speaker 1: So he was really really on the cutting edge of
Speaker 1: how he understood life sort of worked. But so many people.
Speaker 2: Don't know their birth now because I know for your
Speaker 2: human design you need your birth time, place and a
Speaker 2: date yeap. And from my experience of even asking my
Speaker 2: friends a lot of them, I think my mum knows
Speaker 2: my birth it's not my birth certificate. So is there
Speaker 2: a way to still be able to do it without
Speaker 2: having your birth time, like can it be as accurate
Speaker 2: or is it a guest then?
Speaker 1: So if you're born in the States, it's always on
Speaker 1: your birth certificate. Oh yeah, really UK and other places
Speaker 1: like we don't we want we say UK thing? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah right way books and those kind of things. Yes,
Speaker 1: but there's two things you can do. One is you can,
Speaker 1: if you know, like let's say you're born between nine
Speaker 1: am and eleven, I would just edit the day and
Speaker 1: just like go through that window and see how much changes.
Speaker 1: There will be stuff that does change, but you can
Speaker 1: kind of at least go on the stuff that doesn't.
Speaker 1: Or there are some astrologers that do this process called
Speaker 1: astrological rectification more so and actually probably invade there. They're
Speaker 1: better or they do this more because what they would
Speaker 1: do is they'll sit down with you for like three
Speaker 1: hours and they'll say, okay, well were you thirty two
Speaker 1: or thirty five when you had an accident for example,
Speaker 1: And what they'll do is they'll look at places like
Speaker 1: where the moon was, and they can literally work backwards
Speaker 1: to figure out your exact birth time. It's amazing actually
Speaker 1: how they do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am when I was doing my human
Speaker 2: design on your website, I had put in one time
Speaker 2: that I think my mom had told me, and then
Speaker 2: it was like an hour difference. And then when I
Speaker 2: saw there was like maybe one or two things that
Speaker 2: were a little bit different, but it wasn't drastically different. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So I feel like any need to break down human
Speaker 2: design a little bit and the different kind of characters
Speaker 2: that you could be. I don't know what do you
Speaker 2: call them? Characters? But tell me what you gain from
Speaker 2: actually doing your human design, Like what are the practical
Speaker 2: things that people will will receive by even taking this test?
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that question. So there's so many components,
Speaker 1: kind of like going in astrology, right, you have your sun,
Speaker 1: your moon, your rising, so on and so forth. Human
Speaker 1: design is the same thing, and it goes super deep.
Speaker 1: So you can go from the basic thing, which is
Speaker 1: your energy type, which is just how you're supposed to
Speaker 1: exchange energy with the world around you. There's five of
Speaker 1: those energy types. We can cover those. But then you
Speaker 1: also have your authority, which is how your intuition functions.
Speaker 1: You have your profile, which is sort of like the
Speaker 1: archetypes you embody. Then you have all the different gifts
Speaker 1: that you possess. You know, like, what are you good at?
Speaker 1: What are you naturally good at? There's sixty four different gifts.
Speaker 1: You have your incarnation cross, which is the purpose of
Speaker 1: your life. Here, there's one hundred and ninety two of those.
Speaker 1: Then you have and there's many different gifts you can possess, right,
Speaker 1: you don't just have one out of the sixty four.
Speaker 1: Then you have your digestion, your environment, your perspective, your motivation,
Speaker 1: the way you manifest specifically or non specifically. You have
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many different things to it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's still mind blowing to me because
Speaker 1: there's just always more to learn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I saw the map, I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: this is beautiful number one, but also so intricate. I
Speaker 2: have done astrology here and there in the past, but
Speaker 2: it's something that I never really I had my birth
Speaker 2: shot down from when I was bored. My mum had that,
Speaker 2: but since then I've never seen an astrologer. No, really, no,
Speaker 2: this is probably the first time. Even when I did
Speaker 2: my chart with you online, I also then this was
Speaker 2: the first time I found out when my rising in
Speaker 2: my moon was because I was like, well, while I'm
Speaker 2: doing this, we also dig into that a little bit.
Speaker 2: But the archetypes. When I did it with my friends,
Speaker 2: we all had like different types of archetypes. Could you
Speaker 2: go into them a little bit more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so your energy type. There are five different types,
Speaker 1: which means that there are five different sort of general
Speaker 1: ways that you. Let's say we have five different kinds
Speaker 1: of engines. It's like you can be, you know, an audi,
Speaker 1: or you can be a jeep. Right, It's just that
Speaker 1: car is going to have a different speed at which
Speaker 1: it runs out of energy, a different speed it can go,
Speaker 1: you know, the way the engine revs up. It's literally
Speaker 1: like that, and so it's less of a personality thing
Speaker 1: and more of than an energy thing. Right, So there
Speaker 1: are five You have manifestors, manifesting generators, generators, projectors, and reflectors.
Speaker 1: What do you imagine.
Speaker 2: Projector are you yeah? Okay, well are you.
Speaker 1: I'm a projector too? Oh yeah yeah. Now, so manifestors
Speaker 1: will start with those. They are the people who they
Speaker 1: have the really big aura. They have the biggest aura,
Speaker 1: and it's a very noticeable aura. So it's like when
Speaker 1: they walk in the room, you feel it, and it's
Speaker 1: not because they're being allowed and kind of making themselves known.
Speaker 1: It's because it's very sort of piercing and specific.
Speaker 2: Oh I know people like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And so those people are either at two
Speaker 1: hundred percent or at twenty percent in terms of their energy,
Speaker 1: meaning that they aren't able to be consistent every single day.
Speaker 1: They're either on and they're really on, and when you
Speaker 1: don't see them, they are like completely dead to the world.
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing because they're supposed to kind
Speaker 1: of work in bursts and sort of do things that
Speaker 1: really create movement in this world. So they kind of
Speaker 1: flick the dominoes. So you have to have this big
Speaker 1: engine to do the flicking and then just kind of
Speaker 1: sit back until the next urge comes to you and
Speaker 1: then let those ripples sort of happen in the world. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that other people can't have impact. It's
Speaker 1: none of those things. It's just energetic. So you think
Speaker 1: about people like JK Rowling, you know, she writes a
Speaker 1: book and then you don't see her, you know, or
Speaker 1: Adele she has an album called eighteen and then she disappeared,
Speaker 1: and then there was twenty one, and then she dis
Speaker 1: and then there was twenty five, but when she's there,
Speaker 1: you're like really feeling her totally. Yes, So that's what
Speaker 1: manifestos are. And so the way they're supposed to use
Speaker 1: their energy is like that with everything. So even the
Speaker 1: way you work out, like you go hard for three
Speaker 1: weeks and then you just want to lay around and
Speaker 1: do nothing for a week, you know, Okay, So you
Speaker 1: think about the conditioning of all the stuff we get told.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you got to wake up every
Speaker 1: day and have the same routine or do that. It's
Speaker 1: like for some people it really doesn't work, but the
Speaker 1: suffering comes from thinking of failing instead of understanding your machine.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was just about to say that how useful
Speaker 2: that would be for someone to think, Oh, maybe I
Speaker 2: am supposed to run out of energy a little bit,
Speaker 2: and maybe I am supposed to be someone who becomes
Speaker 2: a hermit for short periods of time. And it's not
Speaker 2: weird and it's not unconventional. It is just who I am,
Speaker 2: and I am able to settle into that exactly. So
Speaker 2: my sister is one, and she's an actress, and so
Speaker 2: she can literally do sixteen hour days on set and
Speaker 2: also train for a half marathon and then afterwards she's
Speaker 2: just like you don't see her, you know, so stuff
Speaker 2: like that where you're like, oh, I don't know how
Speaker 2: you're doing it all at the same time, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're not able to you know exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's just energetically correct for them. Now, the reason
Speaker 1: why they are supposed to embrace being that way is
Speaker 1: because they do start movements. They are those people who
Speaker 1: have a big impact and they create movement for other
Speaker 1: people to respond to, right, so we all then react
Speaker 1: to them and then that's it. So they're not necessarily
Speaker 1: supposed to see the thing the whole way through. If
Speaker 1: that makes sense, magical, that's manifestors as manifestors. Okay, then
Speaker 1: you have so generators and generators are I mean literally,
Speaker 1: like the name suggests, they generate energy for other people
Speaker 1: and for themselves. And a generator is literally almost like
Speaker 1: a joy machine. So what does that mean is a
Speaker 1: generator does what they love. Their system creates so much
Speaker 1: good energy it spills out of them and it lifts
Speaker 1: other people up. So you think about people who just
Speaker 1: do what they love, and you get high off them
Speaker 1: doing what they love, even though you don't necessarily like
Speaker 1: it as well. So you have like the Oprahs of
Speaker 1: the world. And my husband was generator really yes, so
Speaker 1: it's like that yea, it is oh cool, that makes
Speaker 1: sense for him. So it's like the Oprahs, the j Loo's,
Speaker 1: the Beyonce is like, even if you don't love their music,
Speaker 1: they're just like sparkly and you just like love them
Speaker 1: being or like you just like being around them because
Speaker 1: they create this. They're ruled by the sacral center, right,
Speaker 1: so when they're doing what they love, it creates so
Speaker 1: much productivity and creativity and that kind of like sparkly
Speaker 1: magnetic thing. Again, it's not jazz hands magnetic. It's just
Speaker 1: like you know, juicy that it makes other people gravitate
Speaker 1: towards them, and that lifts other people up, even if
Speaker 1: they don't know how or why. Even if that person
Speaker 1: is making paper clips and you're never going to do
Speaker 1: anything with paper clips in your life, you just like
Speaker 1: feeding off that energy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So the issue with generators though, is that because they
Speaker 1: get used to giving that good energy to people, and
Speaker 1: because they obviously get praised for it in childhood specifically,
Speaker 1: they then it's that well done for doing something you
Speaker 1: didn't like. But they can't generate the sacrald can't turn
Speaker 1: on when they're doing something they don't enjoy. So where
Speaker 1: the trap becomes is like, oh, well, you should help
Speaker 1: your friend move because that's a kind thing to do.
Speaker 1: But if you've not be lit up by it, you've
Speaker 1: been in that room, but you haven't net net left
Speaker 1: anything positive in that room. But then you're like, why
Speaker 1: do I feel flat? And actually that person didn't even
Speaker 1: appreciate it, right, So it becomes a real funny one.
Speaker 1: And they're really black and white generators. It's just either
Speaker 1: yes or no. It's like the gut is black and white,
Speaker 1: so think you no, do I feel this like? And
Speaker 1: it's visceral too. They're very ruled by the body. So
Speaker 1: it's like if I kind of sit up in my
Speaker 1: seat at the idea of it, that means I had
Speaker 1: to do it. And if I'm just like this, there's
Speaker 1: no amount of talking myself into it that's going to
Speaker 1: make me enjoy it, right, So that's them. They are
Speaker 1: the people who are very consistent, meaning they wake up
Speaker 1: with a certain amount of battery in the day they
Speaker 1: wake up, they use that battery. When they finish the battery,
Speaker 1: then it's time to go to bed, and then it
Speaker 1: just renews the next day.
Speaker 2: What happens when these people are out of alignment.
Speaker 1: So when generators are out of alignment, they are flat,
Speaker 1: they are burnt out, they are frustrated, because frustration is
Speaker 1: what we call their signature sort of not self, which
Speaker 1: is the sign that you're out of alignment. Feel like
Speaker 1: nothing's happening, or they feel like energy isn't moving through
Speaker 1: their bodies. They feel like they're trying but nothing is happening.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they get like a bit rutty, I call it,
Speaker 1: you know, you just like want to like it's almost
Speaker 1: like an engine that can't really do anything. Manifestos get angry,
Speaker 1: so that means like why is no one helping me?
Speaker 1: What isn't you know? Why is this not happening? They
Speaker 1: just get mad at things. Wow, fascinating, Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: that's a very consistent energy. We live in a world
Speaker 1: that is actually built for generators in a way, because
Speaker 1: generators like they can wake up and do the same
Speaker 1: joy thing every day and it compounds so the longer
Speaker 1: they do it, they get kind of much bigger returns
Speaker 1: by just devoting themselves to doing the same thing all
Speaker 1: the time, and they can just wake up and they
Speaker 1: can do it again, and they can do it again,
Speaker 1: and they can do it again.
Speaker 2: Are they people who generally know? They sound like people
Speaker 2: who know what they want in life, like or you know.
Speaker 1: It's funny because it's visceral. So if you're a generator
Speaker 1: and you don't know what you want to do in
Speaker 1: your life, you can't be like, what do I want?
Speaker 1: Because they don't respond well to open ended questions. Ah,
Speaker 1: it has to be a yes or no. So if
Speaker 1: you're a generator who's trying to figure out whether it's
Speaker 1: like do I have a SMOOTHI or not? Or whether
Speaker 1: it's whatever I want to do with my life, you
Speaker 1: do okay, well do I prefer gardening or cooking?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Then they can answer what do you want for dinner?
Speaker 1: Becomes do you want Chinese or Japanese? They can answer that.
Speaker 2: Wait, that's so okay, Yeah this makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good. So they're really really black and
Speaker 1: white people. So if you want to get the best
Speaker 1: out of your generators, you just got a narrow stuff
Speaker 1: down and they can do it for themselves too. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: give us the next one. So then you have manifesting generators,
Speaker 1: and they are a blend, a hybrid of manifestors and generators,
Speaker 1: So they have the spontaneity of manifestos and that sort
Speaker 1: of big spontaneous thing, but they also have the engine
Speaker 1: of the generator to be able to kind of like
Speaker 1: carry things through and to kind of do things consistently.
Speaker 1: So these people are the classic multi hyphenates. They are
Speaker 1: the people like the Angelina Joli's, both the Beckhams Tony Robbins,
Speaker 1: like they're doing twenty five hundred things that seem completely
Speaker 1: unrelated and yet somehow it just works right. And that's
Speaker 1: because they are supposed to be multi passionate, and they
Speaker 1: are supposed to just allow themselves a little bit to
Speaker 1: the second I get bored or something, it's time to
Speaker 1: just jump to the next thing, because they pick up
Speaker 1: stuff really fast, so they don't need to spend six
Speaker 1: months learning the hot They can be like in it
Speaker 1: for two weeks. They get bored, it's a sign it's
Speaker 1: time to move on, right, because they've done whatever they
Speaker 1: need to do. They picked up some kind of skill
Speaker 1: that will come in handy. They don't have to do
Speaker 1: what generators do, which is master something right so they're
Speaker 1: just here to kind of like dip their toes in
Speaker 1: many things and then forge a path that no one
Speaker 1: has forger pause. You think about Jessica Albert who has
Speaker 1: her baby company and she's acting and producing and whatever.
Speaker 1: If she said that at the beginning of her career,
Speaker 1: people will be like, no, you have to pick one, right,
Speaker 1: But she didn't and it works right. So that's where
Speaker 1: they get really tripped up because they're like, they're programmed
Speaker 1: for this mastery thing too, but they can't do what
Speaker 1: generators do, you know, and they get bored more quickly.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The thing with them is that it can't make sense
Speaker 1: the path, and the path is really not going to
Speaker 1: make sense, you know that advice of like the path
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's like so true for them
Speaker 1: because you can't trip yourself up with your identity of
Speaker 1: what you are in the sense that if you're making
Speaker 1: candles and then all of a sudden you're like really
Speaker 1: excited by something else, you can't be like, oh, but
Speaker 1: this doesn't work or this doesn't go you know, I
Speaker 1: have to choose one. Like all of that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that stops people from just being able to play
Speaker 1: and create in this world which they really need, really need,
Speaker 1: and if they don't so like they can do that,
Speaker 1: that's when they get really stuck because they just feel
Speaker 1: like limited and contrived and put in a box for others,
Speaker 1: when you know it's always us who are doing it
Speaker 1: to ourselves. They're putting themselves in a box. You know,
Speaker 1: they've absorbed that conditioning and then they're carrying it with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was the manifesting generator generator. Okay, so
Speaker 2: we've done three so far. There's two more, right, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then we have projectors now, projectors unlike the other three,
Speaker 1: which are called energy beings, meaning that they create their
Speaker 1: own energy. Projectors actually we have what's called an open
Speaker 1: sacral center. So do manifestors, but they create their energy
Speaker 1: in a different way. We have an open sacrel center.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean is that we feel the
Speaker 1: sacral energy of other people and also of the world.
Speaker 1: The world runs on sacral energy. It's productive, it's appetite,
Speaker 1: it's desire, it's go, go go, it's consumed. Projectors we
Speaker 1: amplify that when we feel it. If it comes into you,
Speaker 1: into your sacral as a two out of ten, you
Speaker 1: can feel it in an eight out of ten kind
Speaker 1: of way. So what does that mean is that when
Speaker 1: you're on your own, you're not able to create that
Speaker 1: energy yourself. When you're around other people, you feed off
Speaker 1: it and you can get high off it. Now, what
Speaker 1: we go really wrong is that we believe that being
Speaker 1: eight out of ten all the time is the way
Speaker 1: we need to be. So then we will plug ourselves
Speaker 1: with all this energy, try and pretend that we can
Speaker 1: consistently be aid out of ten, and then we burn
Speaker 1: out because it's not our natural state. We're supposed to
Speaker 1: expose ourselves to it specifically and intentionally ride off of
Speaker 1: it to get stuff done for maximum two to three
Speaker 1: hours a day in terms of like actual productivity, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the time being your natural inherent state. Now,
Speaker 1: the reason why that is is because projectors I like
Speaker 1: to say, we're like the birds up on the trees.
Speaker 1: You've got they's the tigers the bears on the ground,
Speaker 1: and they're like getting from it to be and they're
Speaker 1: doing stuff and they're forging pasts and they're rolling around
Speaker 1: in the mud, right, and we are like a bird
Speaker 1: that's like, okay, but try not to go in that
Speaker 1: mud because you're going to see you. It's going to
Speaker 1: be bad for your left legs, so just go this
Speaker 1: all right, right, But if we come off the tree
Speaker 1: and try to roll in the mud, we won't be
Speaker 1: able to see that. So the more you try to
Speaker 1: be productive, the less you're able to do your gift,
Speaker 1: which is actually help other people do something in a
Speaker 1: more efficient way. And we are all obsessed. You can
Speaker 1: spot a projector from mile away because if you say
Speaker 1: the word efficiency gains to them it's like hi, woh,
Speaker 1: I go hi.
Speaker 2: So we're all.
Speaker 1: Obsessed with like making things slightly better, tweaking things, observing things,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like constantly watching life.
Speaker 2: Does that make Does that make projectors more likely to
Speaker 2: try and fix other people or like try to put
Speaker 2: the nose in where they weren't asked? Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 2: do that sometimes, yes, so a lot. Yes, yeah, But
Speaker 2: we can fix that. They didn't ask me about. But
Speaker 2: we can fix that. We're going to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to fix this.
Speaker 1: So you just said the key thing, which is our aura,
Speaker 1: is actually very piercing. It sees into the other. It's
Speaker 1: a projector, right, So what is a projector? It's a
Speaker 1: light that shines on another person and sees deeply into
Speaker 1: the other. But where we can get stuck is that
Speaker 1: we're looking into the shadow that it's also creating. Right,
Speaker 1: So we can often get stuck in all the things
Speaker 1: that are wrong or the dark that other people can't see,
Speaker 1: and we get bitter now because we see into the other,
Speaker 1: and other people do feel deeply seen by that interaction.
Speaker 1: Issue is that they have to wait to be invited.
Speaker 1: Projectors have to wait until someone has actually asked them,
Speaker 1: because if you volunteer your advice or your guidance without
Speaker 1: someone asking for it, you don't feel seen in return.
Speaker 1: In there, and as a projector, you need to see you.
Speaker 2: Need to be for my advice. Yes, yeah, Why are
Speaker 2: you not following my advice that I gave you that
Speaker 2: you didn't ask for? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so we feel bitter, we feel unappreciated, we feel
Speaker 1: on scene, and also it doesn't lead to success, which
Speaker 1: is the thing that it's supposed to lead to. So
Speaker 1: as a projector, the best thing you can do is
Speaker 1: just kind of keep on developing your seeing and see
Speaker 1: yourself as someone who has value to give, because again,
Speaker 1: when you see yourself as that that goes in your
Speaker 1: aura and then people are more likely to invite you.
Speaker 1: But when you're insisting on being invited, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So it's not like emailing people, let me put my
Speaker 1: product into your stores.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That is like put throwing a ball against the wall,
Speaker 1: and that's smacking you in the face. It never works.
Speaker 2: We're basically vampires. We have to be invited in.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, great, So our aura is like this, right,
Speaker 1: But a generator's aura is like warm and enveloping. Manifesting
Speaker 1: generators or is like loads of different globes. The manifesto
Speaker 1: is just like boom, and you're you know, like here
Speaker 1: I am and then I'm gone and you know what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even when I'm just trying to keep to myself and
Speaker 1: sneak past you and get a coffee, You're like huh.
Speaker 1: And then you have reflectors. Now, reflectors are only one
Speaker 1: percent of the population. And the theory is that in
Speaker 1: the old days is you need a reflector in the
Speaker 1: center of society because a reflector, like the name suggests,
Speaker 1: is almost like a chameleon. They literally are someone who
Speaker 1: will mirror you back to you. And I know that
Speaker 1: we say that, you know, everyone is a mirror of you,
Speaker 1: but in such a deeper way than all other people
Speaker 1: because we are all solar beings, and reflectors are Luna beings,
Speaker 1: so solar beings like we shine where like the sun,
Speaker 1: reflectors are lunar, meaning that they are so open across
Speaker 1: all of their sharkras. Because all of their chakras are open,
Speaker 1: They're so open to whatever anyone else is going to
Speaker 1: throw at them that if they are not doing what
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to be doing, they can really show
Speaker 1: you what you are in such a deep way. Now,
Speaker 1: issue is that we live in a world where it's
Speaker 1: like know who you are? Who are you? I need
Speaker 1: to find myself whatever, And they get tripped up by
Speaker 1: if I'm around you and you're doing cooking, I'm going
Speaker 1: to think all of a sudden, I'm a cook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I make this my entire personality, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to announce all my social media that I am a cook.
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to go around a makeup person
Speaker 1: and I'm going to start a makeup line right, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to declare it with so much spontaneity. But actually,
Speaker 1: like the moon, they have to wait twenty eight days
Speaker 1: a full lunar cycle and see if something consistently feels
Speaker 1: ripe for a month before they know that it's true
Speaker 1: for them because what's happened over the course of the month,
Speaker 1: They've exposed themselves to all sorts of different environments, and
Speaker 1: they've then been able to see what was just kind
Speaker 1: of temporary and what was there to stay. So they're
Speaker 1: really supposed to be slow like the moon. They're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be spontaneous. They're supposed to kind of really
Speaker 1: just like not attached to identities, but enjoy actually feeling,
Speaker 1: like when I'm around you, what it's like to be
Speaker 1: you in a deeper way that no one can. So
Speaker 1: it's a really special experience to be a reflector. But again,
Speaker 1: you know we're all prone to conditioning.
Speaker 2: So thank you for explaining them so well. If I've
Speaker 2: got such an insight and I can almost see all
Speaker 2: the different people in my life that play into or
Speaker 2: that have those different qualities. One thing I struggle with
Speaker 2: with astrology, with human design, with these type of what
Speaker 2: would you call them not practices modalities, yes, is sometimes
Speaker 2: you can get so engrossed into it where like my
Speaker 2: friend was like, oh, this feels like me, but it
Speaker 2: feels like a version of me that I want to become.
Speaker 2: When he heard his he was like, a lot of
Speaker 2: this sounds like someone I want to be, but I'm
Speaker 2: not quite there yet. And the feeling of this obsession
Speaker 2: of wanting to almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. How
Speaker 2: do you maintain this balance of Okay, this is what
Speaker 2: I'm being told I am, and not trying to become
Speaker 2: that before you even feel it.
Speaker 1: One of the core tenets is trying to get all
Speaker 1: of us away from is how addicted we are to
Speaker 1: the mind, because the aura has so much more of
Speaker 1: a connection to the liminal guidance than the mind does.
Speaker 1: The mind, we're using it to try and make our
Speaker 1: decisions and to try to figure out our self identity. Right,
Speaker 1: we're addicted to using it on ourselves. What human design
Speaker 1: says is if you let something else make the decisions
Speaker 1: for your body. The mind is actually supposed to be
Speaker 1: turned out into the world, and everyone is supposed to
Speaker 1: become a genius at something. Right, You're supposed to use
Speaker 1: your mind to make your music. You're supposed to use
Speaker 1: your mind to you know, become a mixologist. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to use your mind to do such incredible things, and
Speaker 1: we're wasting it on ourselves. So what's amazing about human
Speaker 1: design is it says, Okay, here are all the different
Speaker 1: things you could learn about yourself, and that's where a
Speaker 1: lot of people it's very exciting, but it is also
Speaker 1: where a lot of people get stuck. There's only two
Speaker 1: things you need to know about your design, and you would, naturally,
Speaker 1: without even knowing all the other stuff, end up living
Speaker 1: that way without knowing how, which is really cool. So
Speaker 1: the only two things you would ever have to do
Speaker 1: is knowing your authority, which is your intuition and how
Speaker 1: it functions, and your strategy, which is just the main
Speaker 1: way that you're supposed to use your energy depending on
Speaker 1: what your energy type is. And if you only ever
Speaker 1: use your strategy and authority, everything else would fall into place.
Speaker 1: Now that's almost annoying to us because it's too simple
Speaker 1: and we don't like too simple, and it's difficult to
Speaker 1: do because where you need to know it applies and
Speaker 1: where the work is is in your daily life.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, actually, I need to start using my intuition to
Speaker 1: figure out if I want a green tea every day
Speaker 1: or actually do I want it? Some days and some
Speaker 1: days not, and that trips up our ego.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So that's the beauty of human design, is that you
Speaker 1: don't have to measure yourself against the description of who
Speaker 1: you are. And I don't even care if people know
Speaker 1: the description of what they're supposed to be. I just
Speaker 1: care about people using their strategy and their authority. And
Speaker 1: you start to see really really fast how that just
Speaker 1: brings more flow into your day. And the best, I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing that people say to me the most, which
Speaker 1: is what makes me really just more in love with
Speaker 1: this work than every day, is I trust myself more
Speaker 1: and I feel capable.
Speaker 2: What do you think stops people from being able to
Speaker 2: connect to their most authentic self? Like, what is it
Speaker 2: that you see on a regular basis when you see clients.
Speaker 1: Who you think you have to be mostly for yourself?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Because I think we easily blame it on while someone
Speaker 1: told me to do this, or someone told me to
Speaker 1: do that, But it's only because we've taken it on
Speaker 1: and we have this idea of what we want ourselves
Speaker 1: to be and how we want other people to perceive us. Right,
Speaker 1: So that sort of self perception that we've clung onto
Speaker 1: but then also, you know, I think, especially in the
Speaker 1: spiritual world, we run the risk of replacing one less
Speaker 1: spiritual identity with a new, more spiritual one, but that's
Speaker 1: still an identity. You know, they're still conditioning in the
Speaker 1: spiritual world. You have to be love and light, or
Speaker 1: you have to be calm, or you have to be peaceful,
Speaker 1: you have to talk the talk, and none of those
Speaker 1: things are are real. And so there's especially in this
Speaker 1: time I feel like where so much is changing, and
Speaker 1: human design actually predicted the changing of an era twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven, which we're obviously seeing one era really crumbling
Speaker 1: down in a quickening process. But you know, especially in
Speaker 1: this time, I think that we are feeling so much
Speaker 1: ego death that it's so understandable to try and then
Speaker 1: just replace one ego with another one, one persona with
Speaker 1: another one, where actually it's so much harder and you
Speaker 1: have to be so much more unafraid to just completely
Speaker 1: jump off the path and just go rogue almost. But
Speaker 1: human design is called the science of differentiation and de
Speaker 1: hoomogenization for that reason, And you are going to feel
Speaker 1: like a freak, and you are going to feel like
Speaker 1: maybe that's going to make you not successful or not
Speaker 1: get you the things you want and whatever. But what's
Speaker 1: amazing about this time is I really feel like people
Speaker 1: realize that they're suffering too much not doing that.
Speaker 2: Right. Do you think that there are specific things that
Speaker 2: people can do on a daily basis to bring them
Speaker 2: back to themselves, to like constantly keep trying to connect
Speaker 2: back to their authentic self? What does that look like? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, I think the really basic thing and even
Speaker 1: if you don't act on it, you can just start
Speaker 1: asking USLF this question is like if I could secretly
Speaker 1: do this my way, what would I do if I
Speaker 1: knew that it would work out? What's the way that
Speaker 1: it would organically? It just naturally occur to me? And
Speaker 1: even just asking that question I think really helps because
Speaker 1: it helps you realize that you have your own ideas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it opens your mind up a little bit
Speaker 1: where you go, oh, actually, i'm quite I'm quite ingenuous
Speaker 1: with this. Is that the word like I'm quite inventive,
Speaker 1: Like I have my own ways where you almost forget
Speaker 1: you have your own way.
Speaker 2: Right, you just get on a mechanical because you're something
Speaker 2: that you're so used to. And I guess that's what
Speaker 2: conditioning is right, you just get used to the same pattern,
Speaker 2: the same mindset that you're surrounded by. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: often thinks sometimes it's also doing. The thing is that
Speaker 2: your mind first of all, says no to I think
Speaker 2: there's this thin line between intuition and protection. Your protection
Speaker 2: is saying no, don't do that. And it might be
Speaker 2: because of comfort, it might be because of conditioning. But
Speaker 2: then actually sometimes going outside of that box or outside
Speaker 2: of that limit is what allows you to gain that
Speaker 2: different perspective, allows you to see the different ways of
Speaker 2: doing things, you know, when you go to different countries,
Speaker 2: when you explore. I think exploring is such an important
Speaker 2: part of actually knowing your authentic self because you've been
Speaker 2: able to see what the other options are, rather than
Speaker 2: it being a conditioning or something mechanical that you're doing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you need to know more to be able to
Speaker 2: decide for yourself what's actually for you. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have so much more of a blank
Speaker 1: slate than we even realize that we have. Any moment,
Speaker 1: you can just completely recreate yourself, your life. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: I would have never ever thought like there was no
Speaker 2: part of me when I was in London that ever
Speaker 2: wanted to leave London. No part of me wanted to travel,
Speaker 2: No part of me wanted to leave. I was so
Speaker 2: content being in the place that I was, and there
Speaker 2: was nothing wrong with that. I really appreciate it. But
Speaker 2: actually moving and going to New York was created a
Speaker 2: version of me, or expanded a version of me that
Speaker 2: I would have never even got to know. Like I
Speaker 2: don't think I would have ever met that person had
Speaker 2: I stayed in London in the same place. And it
Speaker 2: was the moving, the pushing, the going out of side
Speaker 2: of my comforts, and that would say all every part
Speaker 2: of me were saying, no, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2: But there was a slight part of me that was like,
Speaker 2: but what if there's something wow? And like to actually
Speaker 2: go against the ninety nine percent and go towards the
Speaker 2: one percent that was in my mind. I could have
Speaker 2: thought it was intuition, but actually I think it was
Speaker 2: me needing to get outside.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I maybe my intuition was that one percent and I
Speaker 2: wasn't used to listening to it.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Is there a quality that you noticed
Speaker 1: or that it woke up in yourself when you're in
Speaker 1: New York that you didn't know you had or had
Speaker 1: less of in London.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was autonomy over my own life. Like this
Speaker 2: idea of oh I actually am able to make decisions
Speaker 2: by myself. I actually am able to figure out what
Speaker 2: I want to do without thinking other people should be
Speaker 2: doing that for me. Oh I could if I want
Speaker 2: to be a yoga teacher, I could do a yoga
Speaker 2: teacher training and never wanted to do it again after
Speaker 2: the yoga teach training. But this idea of I always
Speaker 2: felt like I fit into a box, and New York
Speaker 2: allowed me to see that I'd created that box fully myself,
Speaker 2: and I didn't have to just exist within that and
Speaker 2: all these ideas I had created for myself. Oh you're
Speaker 2: not intelligent, so you shouldn't be doing this. Oh you're
Speaker 2: not this, you should just be sticking to these little
Speaker 2: areas of your life. But exploring that allowed me to see, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: actually some parts were true. I'm not really good at that,
Speaker 2: but so much more was true than I thought was possible.
Speaker 1: That's so amazing. I think that's another one you can
Speaker 1: start to try on is when people say I'm not intelligent,
Speaker 1: you can go, well, it's not I'm black and white.
Speaker 1: There's probably some places I'm really dumb ye, and I'm
Speaker 1: also probably quite smart at some things, and just to
Speaker 1: challenge that and just be like, oh, yeah, I'm talented
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I love to be going and not
Speaker 1: like I don't like this whole introvert extravert or I
Speaker 1: don't like you know, smart people and creative people and
Speaker 1: this and that. It's like we all have everything, but
Speaker 1: even just telling us off those stories again and again,
Speaker 1: it just brings you smaller and smaller and smaller.
Speaker 2: It's what you said, even about the person making the
Speaker 2: paper clips. And every time I leave somewhere and sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I felt so dumb in that room.
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, but if they asked you,
Speaker 2: if you start talking about ivado, or if you start
Speaker 2: talking about cooking, or if you start talking about all
Speaker 2: those things. Find they were talking about politics, and you
Speaker 2: didn't know find they were talking about I don't know.
Speaker 2: Someone was a poet and they were talking so like
Speaker 2: beautifully and FLI I was like, I can't speak like
Speaker 2: that and it was amazing, and he was just like, no,
Speaker 2: they're amazing in what they are doing. We don't have
Speaker 2: to be incredible all types of conversation. But if someone
Speaker 2: asked you about what lights you up, or cooking or
Speaker 2: nutrition or health, you'd be able to speak in the
Speaker 2: same way, and they might not be able to. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting when you go into a room filled with
Speaker 2: people who are different from you, rather than feeling less
Speaker 2: than I think it's a reminder to yourself of, oh,
Speaker 2: but this is the quality that I hold. And I
Speaker 2: think it's very normal to sometimes have that lessoned in
Speaker 2: you when you walk into a room of people who
Speaker 2: know different types of things, rather than holding your ground
Speaker 2: and realizing, oh, I can provide something different. I love.
Speaker 1: One of the things this has really taught me actually is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so easy to feel I guess, threatened
Speaker 1: by other people who are in their light. But once
Speaker 1: you really not just kind of conceptually see what you're
Speaker 1: good at, but just actually really make yourself bring it
Speaker 1: out of you every single day, you do start to
Speaker 1: fall in love with just in a very objective way.
Speaker 1: Just you just do fall in love with the costume
Speaker 1: that you came to wear. And then you can just
Speaker 1: like get to enjoy other people who're like, oh wow, yes,
Speaker 1: this kind of human and this kind of human and
Speaker 1: this and aren't they so cool? It's like a multiplification
Speaker 1: of enjoying every different kind of role that exists that
Speaker 1: we're all here to kind of like play different ones.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel that's the same. It kind of
Speaker 2: aligns with confidence as well. It's like the more that
Speaker 2: you feel confidence, the more you're able to appreciate other
Speaker 2: people's beauty, other people's skills, other people, and you feel
Speaker 2: less threatened about even the ones that are in the
Speaker 2: same kind of work or even the people who are
Speaker 2: in the same kind of proximity as you to what
Speaker 2: you do. You actually get a deep appreciation for them.
Speaker 2: The more you feel grounded or in your authentic self,
Speaker 2: I imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: So are there certain types like the five that you mentioned?
Speaker 2: Are there ones that are more compatible, like in relationships
Speaker 2: that are more compatible, or some that actually really struggle
Speaker 2: with compatibility.
Speaker 1: So my favorite favorite thing about human design is that
Speaker 1: when you understand yourself and you understand the other, that's
Speaker 1: the beginning of love right self love of others. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what I always say is that there are no
Speaker 1: types that are incompatible, and I mean across every board,
Speaker 1: across gifts, skills, whatever, But compatibility is created, not fated.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? So the mechanics of human
Speaker 1: design is that everyone has what's called a magnetic monopole
Speaker 1: inside them, which is basically this magnet that gets created
Speaker 1: when the soul and the body get kind of put together,
Speaker 1: fuse together, and they make you that's standing in front
Speaker 1: of me, this physical thing. Right, it's almost like those
Speaker 1: two things come together, but they get held together by
Speaker 1: this magnetic monopole inside. Now, again, the existence of monopols
Speaker 1: is something that even scientists right now are trying to find.
Speaker 1: And ra was like they're inside humans, like they are
Speaker 1: driving us towards our destiny if we get out of
Speaker 1: the way and we use our authority correctly. We have
Speaker 1: this magnet. Now, this magnet is drawn to people, places,
Speaker 1: and things. So and you probably you know, everyone can
Speaker 1: relate to. When you are into a guy and you
Speaker 1: see every single you know, Heala and Sharman and whatever,
Speaker 1: and they all tell you that he's wrong for you,
Speaker 1: there's something that still draws you to that person. Right,
Speaker 1: So in human design they say you are drawn to
Speaker 1: certain people for certain amounts of time, and when that
Speaker 1: magnet stops that's when you're done. Okay. So yes, there's
Speaker 1: stories about he did this and she said that, and
Speaker 1: then I move whatever. But there's also just this draw,
Speaker 1: and for as long as the draw's there, you can't
Speaker 1: fight the draw.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So what you have to do is that you have
Speaker 1: to accept that your path is kind of drawing you
Speaker 1: towards a certain direction, and you go with it. But
Speaker 1: you learn the other and you learn yourself. So what
Speaker 1: does that mean? Okay, if you are a generator in
Speaker 1: a relationship too, generators in a relationship, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: one of them. This is the example that my teacher
Speaker 1: taught me. They come home from work, long day at work,
Speaker 1: and they're both tired because they've done what lit them up. Okay,
Speaker 1: she wants to go to the movies, he wants to
Speaker 1: watch sports. So then they try and do the generator
Speaker 1: thing and compromise and then they watch a movie. But
Speaker 1: then neither of them is happy. Right, what they should
Speaker 1: have done is she should have gone to the movies,
Speaker 1: he should have watched sports. They come home, they're both
Speaker 1: it up. Now what happens. They're both really into each other,
Speaker 1: they're really fascinated. Then you stop, it's better, right, But
Speaker 1: instead of being like, oh, we've got to do it
Speaker 1: the way that the normal relationship works, then it dwindles
Speaker 1: the juiciness. So it really comes into actually, when you
Speaker 1: are with someone, it is such a privilege to support
Speaker 1: them being their natural self, because even if it goes
Speaker 1: against what you want for them, it's gonna make it
Speaker 1: the best relationship. And that works for kids, that works
Speaker 1: for parents, that works with brothers and sisters, that works
Speaker 1: with friends, it works for everyone. If you can get
Speaker 1: out of your own mind about what you need them
Speaker 1: to be for you, you can actually be so surprised
Speaker 1: and tickled and delighted by what happens when you invest
Speaker 1: in helping them become their real self.
Speaker 2: That's so true. Even when I was struggling to I
Speaker 2: was really struggling to forget what I wanted to do
Speaker 2: when we first moved to New York. And I sometimes
Speaker 2: go through that fairly often. I'm like, am I doing
Speaker 2: the right thing? And even when I kept asking Jay,
Speaker 2: like what do you think I should be doing? And
Speaker 2: how do you think I should live my life? And
Speaker 2: should I just travel with you everywhere and just do
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing. And the first thing we'll be is like, no,
Speaker 2: I want you to find what makes you happy, Like
Speaker 2: you need to do what makes you happy, and I
Speaker 2: don't want you to just do what makes me happy
Speaker 2: because that's not going to make you happy. You're gonna
Speaker 2: end up coming like coming to all these places, but
Speaker 2: you don't even like being in this social situation. So
Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna make you fundamentally unhappy, and seeing
Speaker 2: you unhappy is going to make me unhappy. And so
Speaker 2: every time we talk about like going to work events
Speaker 2: or doing anything, he's like, I don't need you to go,
Speaker 2: and I don't want you to go because I'm going.
Speaker 2: I want you to go if you want to go.
Speaker 2: And we realized that there are so many things that
Speaker 2: we different. For example, we were just talking about our
Speaker 2: weekend that just went, and he loves going and going
Speaker 2: out on the weekend day, like going out walking around.
Speaker 2: I love being a hermit and I need to be
Speaker 2: at home and I need to just like regain my
Speaker 2: energy and I need to sit sometimes in like a
Speaker 2: quiet room and just do nothing the whole day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so what we realized was when we were compromising,
Speaker 2: I'd go out and I'd be there, but not there,
Speaker 2: he'd stay in, but he'd be kind of like edging
Speaker 2: to do something or like pottering about. So then we
Speaker 2: just made it half the day. He'd go out and
Speaker 2: he'd spend his half day going out shopping and hanging around,
Speaker 2: and I'd stay at home read. And then in the
Speaker 2: after we've come back together and you can see he's
Speaker 2: so happy he's gone out. I'm so happy I've stayed in,
Speaker 2: and then we get to actually connect and exactly what
Speaker 2: you said, that's quite fascinating.
Speaker 1: My parents are the same, but the other way around,
Speaker 1: and so my dad likes staying home mom and Mom
Speaker 1: is so social and it took them twenty five years
Speaker 1: to figure that out, you know, but they're so much
Speaker 1: happier now.
Speaker 2: So once someone has figured out their human design, or
Speaker 2: they've seen their chart and they've somewhat deciphered it, is
Speaker 2: that something you just have to do once and then
Speaker 2: once you know it, you just have to implement it
Speaker 2: into your life, or do you regularly come back to
Speaker 2: it in a different way.
Speaker 1: So what I think is cool is, you know, like
Speaker 1: those books that really change you, Like there's a handful
Speaker 1: of spiritual books where you read them two years later
Speaker 1: and you get them in a whole different way. So
Speaker 1: the chart never changes, you understand it differently. But where
Speaker 1: the rubber really meets the road, where the magic really
Speaker 1: happens is in how you implement it every single day.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you have the same manual, you have
Speaker 1: to keep using the manual. So that's why I have
Speaker 1: that app is because I want people to really get
Speaker 1: like they get a daily customized tip every day. So
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, how do you pack as a projector
Speaker 1: and that would be different than how you would pack
Speaker 1: if you're a manifesting generator or if you're emotional or
Speaker 1: non emotional, or how do you figure out where to
Speaker 1: put your kids in school? How do you parent a
Speaker 1: kid that's a man gen versus a projector?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then different profiles as well, like how do you
Speaker 1: show up socially if you're a three five or one four?
Speaker 1: They're all different components. And then I was telling you
Speaker 1: before we got on we have the AI, so now
Speaker 1: you can be like, okay, well how do I decide
Speaker 1: how to you know? You say, my husband's a generator,
Speaker 1: he likes going out. What do I do as a projector?
Speaker 1: And that's what helps you really ball down the few
Speaker 1: simple platitudinal truths into real life, because I think even
Speaker 1: if you here be the light, it's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: love the idea, and we've heard it so many times.
Speaker 1: I actually be the light in lies. And that's where
Speaker 1: I'm really concerned actually at the moment with how do
Speaker 1: I put this? And I say this because I was
Speaker 1: like this myself. Is that sometimes when you get so
Speaker 1: when spirituality really gives you such a bomb, you want
Speaker 1: to retreat to it and almost keep it separate to
Speaker 1: your life where to retreat to, But then you can
Speaker 1: still spend so many years feeling like you haven't moved
Speaker 1: the needle forward on your life. Right you know, say
Speaker 1: that so you feel like you want to hear, like
Speaker 1: you want to bathe in the wisdom of like be
Speaker 1: the light and you want to bathe in the wisdom
Speaker 1: of you know, God is everywhere and all these things,
Speaker 1: and it feels so good, But then it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: help your self esteem, and I mean esteem of self
Speaker 1: knowing that you're capable and that you're sovereign unless you've
Speaker 1: actually challenge yourself to be like the light in places
Speaker 1: where it's been difficult for you. Right you know, like,
Speaker 1: where are you less loving than you could be? Or
Speaker 1: where is it hard for you to not be so judgmental?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That kind of stuff is
Speaker 1: the stuff where you feel like prime actually pretty great,
Speaker 1: and not because I'm better than other people, but because
Speaker 1: we have this divine inside us, you know. But if
Speaker 1: I don't use it, I'm not going to know it's there.
Speaker 1: So that's where I really that's where I created the
Speaker 1: app because I wanted people to a not have to
Speaker 1: pay three hundred and fifty dollars for a session and
Speaker 1: wait a year and a half it's a price of
Speaker 1: a arte and you get the daily like I need this?
Speaker 1: How do I do this according to my authentics? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what I think.
Speaker 2: I would want now if I was to put it
Speaker 2: into practice on a daily basis. Can someone be really
Speaker 2: successful in what they're doing without knowing this part of
Speaker 2: their human design? And can it help in every area?
Speaker 2: Like does it help you figure out how you should
Speaker 2: be making money? Does it help you figure out your
Speaker 2: relationship with different things? Like is there direction for each
Speaker 2: part of your life through figuring out your human design? Yes?
Speaker 1: So, for example, the authority which is the intuition. That's
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to be making those day to day decisions.
Speaker 1: But for example, there's something called your digestion, which is
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to eat food, but also how you
Speaker 1: digest life. You know, how you take in information that's
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Mine must taste.
Speaker 1: Oh does that make sense? I think that must be
Speaker 1: your strongest sense. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's a subcategory of
Speaker 1: a digestion. So you have what's called the for transformations
Speaker 1: in human design, which is like a sub section which
Speaker 1: is your dia congestion, are your environment, your perspective of
Speaker 1: your motivation. If you lived according to those four things,
Speaker 1: everyone would become a genius at something. But think about
Speaker 1: it like this, If you're not feeding your brain properly,
Speaker 1: you don't even have a fighting chance of being able
Speaker 1: to then spot the things you're supposed to spot, put
Speaker 1: them together in the unique way you're supposed to put
Speaker 1: them together, and then actually get them out into the
Speaker 1: world you're supposed to get them out to right. So
Speaker 1: it has so many sublays. And again with environment, like
Speaker 1: where do you thrive? Some people thrive when they're among
Speaker 1: the people, when they're in the noise, when they're on
Speaker 1: the ground. Some people thrive when they're kind of a
Speaker 1: bit higher up and a bit more removed. Some people
Speaker 1: thrive in dry environments or more humid environments. Some people
Speaker 1: are caves people, so they need to be in enclosed basis.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, or caves valleys.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly so. And then you have your perspective, like
Speaker 1: where are you supposed to what parts? If we're both
Speaker 1: looking at a tennis ball, like, what are we supposed
Speaker 1: to both pick out different aspects of it? Right?
Speaker 2: So intricate?
Speaker 1: No, I love it so deep, so it has something
Speaker 1: to say about everything.
Speaker 2: What were the numbers you were mentioning earlier?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's your profile. Okay, so you have twelve profiles.
Speaker 1: Those are like the archetypes that make up who you are.
Speaker 1: There are six kind of like sub archetypes, and then
Speaker 1: everyone has two of them and they combine to make
Speaker 1: a specific one. So, for example, you have people who
Speaker 1: are three fives who there's a lot of actors and
Speaker 1: actresses who are three fives. It just means you have
Speaker 1: three and the five when they come together. You are
Speaker 1: someone who think about those people who were just like
Speaker 1: we live vicariously through them and they didn't like study anything,
Speaker 1: and they weren't naturally good at certain things. They just
Speaker 1: learned by like being knocked around by life. And then
Speaker 1: they had this equality where they've like fallen on their
Speaker 1: feet so many times, but it's like almost like a
Speaker 1: rom com their life and they just like carry it
Speaker 1: with this like very courageous energy and they want to
Speaker 1: like save the day for other people, and so you
Speaker 1: just love like watching how their life story is unfolded.
Speaker 1: But then you also have like four sixes who are
Speaker 1: more like regal and they like bring people together and
Speaker 1: things kind of evolve around them, and they're very into
Speaker 1: like you know, have a family, settle down, get married,
Speaker 1: reach wisdom at fifty, and then like spread it from
Speaker 1: one high.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Then you have people who like always want to learn information,
Speaker 1: they always want to pass it on. You know. These
Speaker 1: are things that when you speak about them colloquially, you
Speaker 1: kind of go, oh, yeah, yeah, those are different kinds
Speaker 1: of people that I know.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah. I really think everyone has to go out
Speaker 2: and get their human design done to really understand this.
Speaker 2: So I recommend people take do their human design and
Speaker 2: then listen to this all over again, because I feel
Speaker 2: like if I hadn't done my human design before before
Speaker 2: I sat down with you, it wouldn't I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been able to understand all these different aspects of it.
Speaker 2: And I think it's so nice. Like you said, when
Speaker 2: you end up reading something over again, I think with
Speaker 2: this episode, I think, if you are learning it for
Speaker 2: the first time, do yours, and then come back again
Speaker 2: and listen to it, and I feel like you'll be
Speaker 2: able to understand yourself so much better through listening to
Speaker 2: it the second time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And on the app you can which is just
Speaker 1: called a line. It's the a lineupp. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: literally just get a reading. So I basically read it
Speaker 1: whole entire chart. Do you just get a reading?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: A fraction of Because I don't like things being so
Speaker 1: expensive and spirituality, so I.
Speaker 2: Have to admit what I did was not. Probably the
Speaker 2: best option was I got my chart and then I
Speaker 2: because obviously I was seeing it. A few days later,
Speaker 2: I put into chutch GPT and was like, can you
Speaker 2: just explain this to me? But I would say that
Speaker 2: it was not It will end up giving a lot
Speaker 2: of generic answers for all of us, and we had
Speaker 2: different types. So I'm definitely gonna put mine through your
Speaker 2: app now because that sounds so useful. Is there anything
Speaker 2: that you'd want people to know? One about human design,
Speaker 2: but also just about their authentic self? Because I feel
Speaker 2: a lot of people are more sad in the world
Speaker 2: because they're not connecting to their full potential or their
Speaker 2: authentic self, but can often feel really lost about or
Speaker 2: not even know that that's why they're upset, or not
Speaker 2: even know that that's why they're feeling unfulfilled. So if
Speaker 2: you have any.
Speaker 1: Little piece of advice for people to feel a bit
Speaker 1: lost right now, what's coming to me is that your
Speaker 1: authentic self is glorious. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: worry that if they go off script and venture off
Speaker 1: the path, then they might discover they're not great as
Speaker 1: great as they think they are, or as what's underneath
Speaker 1: there isn't good enough, so they have to kind of
Speaker 1: like contrive something else. Because we have this slide that
Speaker 1: other people are doing life right and we're somehow flowed
Speaker 1: and we're getting it wrong and we're like defect, you know, humans,
Speaker 1: and that's just really not the case. And that's just
Speaker 1: as much ego as thinking are better than other people
Speaker 1: as thinking you're worse than people you know, and so
Speaker 1: there is no other thing worth doing with our time
Speaker 1: here than just to dare to discover what you actually
Speaker 1: are from a place of I know I'm made by
Speaker 1: the divine, so I'm gonna be enchanted by it. But
Speaker 1: I have to try, at least have to owe myself
Speaker 1: that just figure out what it is, even if you
Speaker 1: never do your human design or your astrology or anything.
Speaker 1: Just starting to notice and maybe trust a little bit
Speaker 1: more the way you would like to sequently do life,
Speaker 1: and just to give that part of your bit more energy.
Speaker 1: That's truly. I think where self love comes in is
Speaker 1: that you doing right by yourself, you making yourself proud.
Speaker 1: That's how self love comes.
Speaker 2: That's so beautiful. Yeah, I really I was thinking about
Speaker 2: this idea while you were saying that. Of imagine if
Speaker 2: every single person in the world, or even in everyone
Speaker 2: who evolves around you right now, everyone who knows who
Speaker 2: you are, they do their human design and they feel
Speaker 2: a little bit more connected to themselves. Let's say that's
Speaker 2: just a small step towards them feeling that way. Imagine
Speaker 2: then the ripple effects that all these people are then
Speaker 2: creating with their children, with their partners with the people
Speaker 2: that they meet, and the ability to impact other people's
Speaker 2: lives in a positive way becomes so much more available
Speaker 2: to them, and then the little bits of joy that increases.
Speaker 2: It's like such a collective thing. It feels like such
Speaker 2: an individual thing where I'm doing this human design thing
Speaker 2: for myself, or I'm finding out my astrology for myself,
Speaker 2: whatever it is that you're doing. But actually the impact
Speaker 2: that you understanding yourself or getting closer to your authentic
Speaker 2: self that you get that the impact of that is
Speaker 2: so much more widespread than what we probably can imagine,
Speaker 2: like the riplifect that it could create in other people
Speaker 2: just by us showing up as our closest to ourselves
Speaker 2: as we possibly can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true that. And I've seen that time
Speaker 1: and time again, where you just give someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: even necessarily have curiosity for this kind of stuff, but
Speaker 1: you give them a little nugget about themselves that they
Speaker 1: actually am, Like they go, oh yeah, how, like I
Speaker 1: didn't even I kind of felt that about myself, but
Speaker 1: I didn't clock it, you know, And you just hear
Speaker 1: it from an answer source, you trust it more, and
Speaker 1: then they just give that part of them a bit
Speaker 1: more energy and a bit more validation, and then it
Speaker 1: gives them the courage to start leaning into it. You're
Speaker 1: absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I think one of the best things that I've experienced
Speaker 2: that other people have given me, and the best one
Speaker 2: of the best qualities that I think you can give
Speaker 2: to someone is or someone has is the ability to
Speaker 2: make others feel really good about themselves. And I think
Speaker 2: what you said that you can only really make other
Speaker 2: people feel good about themselves if you're feeling somewhat good
Speaker 2: about yourself. It ends up being such a beautiful exchange
Speaker 2: that you can have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've tried to make other people feel good when
Speaker 1: I didn't and it's it's not that you can't do it,
Speaker 1: but it feels like you're muscling in log Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really is, Yeah, for sure. Whereas when you're going at
Speaker 1: it from a place where you just know that you're
Speaker 1: like tickled by the fact that we're all there, these
Speaker 1: divine beings like running around like doing and throwing in
Speaker 1: this weird life, and you just it's it's like a
Speaker 1: cuteness that you see in them, that there's a humor
Speaker 1: and a levity. Like whenever I've kind of gone to
Speaker 1: the other side. Yeah, whenever I've seen from the other side,
Speaker 1: it's just they're all giggling and they're all laughed. It's
Speaker 1: a levity and there's just joy in it. And when
Speaker 1: you just can see that in someone else because you've
Speaker 1: done the experiment on doing it to yourself, it's lived,
Speaker 1: it's cellular, it's visceral. You can give it in a
Speaker 1: way that feels much more effortless.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, so true. Oh my goodness, thank you.
Speaker 2: This has been amazing. I feel like I learned so
Speaker 2: much about this and honestly, I feel like I've gotten
Speaker 2: a little bit obsessed with it over the weekend and
Speaker 2: I'm looking so forward to one use your app also
Speaker 2: dig deeper into this for myself and understand the intricacies
Speaker 2: of it. Because everything you were saying, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like this is me, but I feel like
Speaker 2: I still have to come into I still need to
Speaker 2: explore it more and live it, like really understand the
Speaker 2: bit and then like see how I can live my
Speaker 2: life through it.
Speaker 1: That's when it becomes like I mean, that's when you
Speaker 1: just fall in love with life. It's the best.
Speaker 2: O good Jenna, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me,