1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Li Sabooth, where we get 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you today, 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: we're talking about Iran. Iran is at a historic tipping 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: point right now. We've seen nationwide protests that have erupted 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: over an economic collapse in the country as well as 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: just living under oppression of the regime. We're hearing chance 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: saying death to the regime and this is all coming 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: and bid brutal crackdowns, thousands dead, mass arrest and internet 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: blackout within the country. My guest today has a unique 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: perspective on her. Her name is Elie Kahanam. She's an 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Iranian born refugee who fled Tehran with her Jewish family 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: as a child during the nineteen seventy nine Islamic revolutions 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: rising anti Semitism. She also later became and worked unto 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: the Trump administration as the first Iranian born US Deputy 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Special Envoy to monitor and combat anti Semitism in Trump's 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: first administration. She's a prominent commentator, So we're going to 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: dig in with her. What do you need to know 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: about these protests? How are they different than protests of 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: the past. Where is this thing heading stay tuned Well, 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Ellie Kahanam, it's great to have you on the show. Well, 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: you know each other, you know, out of this and 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: then I've been able to interview you a few times 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: on Fox Business. 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: So appreciate you making the time for the podcast. Alisa, 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: thanks for having me on. 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: I always love joining you, whether you're on Fox or 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: your own podcast. 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: So honored to be with you. 29 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: Well, I always love seeing you. You know, you have 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: such a unique perspective on what's happening in Iran right 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: now because your family fled Baran at the start of 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: the revolution. You know, it's hard to really know what's 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: happening on the ground. I mean, obviously we have some reporting, 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of videos being posted on x but 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: from your assessment, how big is the ore, the protests 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: that we're saying, and how important is what's going on 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: right now? 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: Break this down for us, Well, Lisa, like you said, 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: I was born in Iran. Myself and my family and 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: I escaped the Islamic Revolution in nineteen seventy nine because 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: we're Jewish and because the regime immediately upon taking power 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: started to target Iran's Jews. Are about one hundred thousand 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: of us there at the time, and so I was 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: really blessed to find refuge in America and to serve 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: under President Trump in the first administration as Deputy Envoy 46 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: to combat anti Semitism. And so, you know, I've been 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: tracking Iran my whole life. I can tell you that 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: where we stand today is historically unprecedented. There are a 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: number of factors that make the protests different this time. 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: It's a combination. 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: Of economic economic factors where the regime has mismanaged the 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: country's resources. Iran it should be in an oil and 53 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: natural gas exporting country, but they've mismanaged the resources. The 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: average Iranian is poverty stricken. The regime also, of course, 55 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: has spent billions of dollars on their terror proxy activity, 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: on this nuclear program that President Trump just took out 57 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: in Operation Midnight Hammer. And so you combine the financial mismanagement, 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: the fact that the regime has been oppressive and repressive 59 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: for forty seven years now of everyday Iranians, and then 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 3: you have President Donald Trump in the White House, who 61 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: is the first US president who has expressed support for 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: this freedom movement. And so all of those factors combined 63 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: make this time very different. 64 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: No, you were I think either five or six right 65 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: when your family fled, or roughly around How old. 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: Were you at the time. 67 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: Exactly right, I was five and a half. I turned 68 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: six in the US, exactly right. And so you know, 69 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: you might not remember exactly. You know, that's a pretty 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: young age. 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 1: But like, what have your parents told you about when 72 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: things changed? 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Because it was interesting because I'm the shaw. 74 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: My understanding is, you know, the country is modernizing fast, 75 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: the economy is growing, there's better education rights for women. 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: But you know there were arguments over inequality and that 77 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: that money was being concentrated at the top, and you know, 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: so kind of break down for us. I guess walk 79 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: us through what you remember what your parents have told 80 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: you about when things started to turn in Iran with 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the Islamic Revolution. 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely well. Well, the ruler at the time, the king 83 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: was Reza Shah Pahlavi, and he was westernizing the country 84 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: and that was somewhat controversial. He modernized the economy, he 85 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: banned the hey job in Iran. He gave women access 86 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: to education and careers for the first time in the 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: country's history. He also gave freedoms to religious minorities like 88 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: the Jewish community that I was born into which did 89 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: allow Iran's Jewish community to really flourish and become an 90 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: integral part of society. But it was interested Jews. There's 91 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: also a Christian minority in Iran. There's also Baha'is. There's 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: also ethnic minorities, like there is an Arab population in 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: the Avas section of Iran, There's there's Pakistanis, there's Balochi. 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: So there's ethnic diversity as well, and so the show 95 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: was really westernizing the country. The controversy was and you 96 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: can kind of see it in the banning of the 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: heat job that moving the country from a traditional Muslim 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: country to a secular one was controversial at the time, 99 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: and people will ask often, well, why did he ban 100 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: the hyt job, you know, why couldn't he just say anyone, 101 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: any woman who wants to where he could and whoever doesn't. 102 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: You know, feel free. 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: And the reason, Lisa, is that in these traditional, very 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: conservative Muslim countries, if you tell women that they have 105 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: the choice, the family pressure, the community pressure will be 106 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: to demand that they continue to wear it. So when 107 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: he made it a government edict, if you can call 108 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: it a government law, then it took the pressure off 109 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: the women because they could just say, hey, you know what, 110 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: it's not my choice. The government is demanding that I 111 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: no longer wear the veil. And you know, these things 112 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: might seem minor in the West, but this was this 113 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: was revolutionary in its own way in Iran at the time. 114 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: So again you're looking at a country that was westernizing, 115 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: was modernizing, and it caused backlash. What I think you 116 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 3: will hear that's interesting for us here in the United 117 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: States in twenty twenty six is a warning that you 118 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: hear often from Iranians, which is that, which is that 119 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: what we saw in the revolution was this. 120 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Alliance of the radical left literally. 121 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: Communist party in Iran was called the Two Dead Party 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 3: and the radical Islamists. And while this is not not 123 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: a natural alliance, we're seeing it again all across the West. 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: And the United States as you and I speak. 125 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: And what I think the West needs, the West and 126 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 5: the left need to understand is that as soon as 127 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 5: the Harmonius took power in Iran, the first people that 128 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 5: they executed was the very left who helped. 129 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: Bring them into power. 130 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: How do you think those two because we are saying 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: that here in the United States as well, why do 132 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: you think they align because if you look at what 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: leftists believe, it is like the opposite of what Muslims 134 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: believe in you know, pretty much every way. So like, 135 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: how do they find alignment? Why do you think there's 136 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: a natural alliance there? Yeah, you're exactly right, Lisa. They 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: are not natural allies. And yet we see this red 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: green alliance developing all across Europe and in the United States. 139 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: You could see it in Mamdani's base in New York City. 140 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: You can see it in places like Minnesota under ilhan Omar. 141 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: In Russia Tlaves District. I don't think that, again, there's 142 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: a natural alliance. 143 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: It's a power play. 144 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: And what we saw again happen in Iran in nineteen 145 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: seventy nine was that the Harmonius, the radical Islamist, they 146 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: were happy to build that alliance with the left because 147 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: they needed the left. You know, I think that the 148 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: answer is that both of these groups are small in number, 149 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: but when they all, they become powerful, and so for 150 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: the sake of power, they are willing to throw all 151 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: of their principles under the bus. So for me, the 152 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: grand example of that is LGBTQ rights. Right, this is 153 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 3: the issue of the left and yet they all with Islamists, 154 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: the very people who hang gay people from cranes in 155 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: the center of town and push them off of rooftops 156 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: merely for being homosexual. So how do these two groups allie. 157 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: It makes no sense. It's a power play. And again 158 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: what we've seen play out is that the Islamist wheel 159 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: summarily execute the left, the very left that brought them 160 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: into power, because they actually don't have anything in common. 161 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: So what do you think the Iranian protesters, you know, want, 162 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, we saw westernerization and then that 163 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: was you know, rejected by society, which is you know 164 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: why we saw the Islamic Revolution and then now living 165 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: under oppression for quite some time, and that Islamist rule. 166 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: So you know, what do you think Iranians want right 167 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: now and sort of this rejection of the regime. 168 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. And just to go back from 169 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: a moment to nineteen seventy eight with homony, you know, 170 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: like mom, Donnie, he came into power promising the Iranian 171 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: people all kinds of free things. He was going to 172 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: give them free land and free benefits, and so you know, 173 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: I just want to state that I don't think the 174 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: Iranian people back in seventy eight were only responding to 175 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: the Shah's westernization. There was also an economic component to it, 176 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,479 Speaker 3: and so we know that this promise, this utopian promises 177 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: that the left often makes, is filled with lies, but 178 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: people fall for it. And so now fast forward to 179 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: forty seven years living under this oppressive regime which again 180 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: mismanage the country's resources and also line their own pockets 181 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 3: by the billions. 182 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,119 Speaker 2: What do the people want, Lisa. 183 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 3: You ask, So the Iranian population right now, the majority, 184 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: the vast majority, have been born after the revolution. They 185 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,119 Speaker 3: are younger, and they really just want to live normal lives. 186 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: They want to have freedom of religion. They don't want 187 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: to have this radical Islam imposed on them. In fact, 188 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: what we know is the statistics show that in Iran 189 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: there's very little mosque attendance and most of the mosques 190 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: in the country are empty during Friday services. So they 191 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: don't want to have Islam imposed on them. They don't 192 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 3: want to have they want to live under a normal country. 193 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: You'll hear chants often over the years of not for Gaza, 194 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: not for Lebanon, but only for Iran. And what that 195 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: is referring to is the Iranian regime's terror proxy activity 196 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: where they took again the country's resources and spent it 197 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: on funding and training and arming their terror proxies Hamas Hasbala, 198 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: the Huthis in Yemen, Katesbala in Iraq, and all of 199 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: that comes out of the regime's obsessive anti Semitism, where 200 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: they have spent again forty seven years of resources trying 201 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: to build a ring of fire around Israel because they 202 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: say that they want to destroy Israel, and in fact 203 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: this has not been merely rhetoric for forty seven years. 204 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: They spent forty seven years taking the country's resources and 205 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: spending it on terror proxies and their nuclear program. And 206 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: so part of what the Iranian people want is they 207 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: just want to live under a normal country. They don't 208 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: want their resources wasted on this terror proxy activity, which, 209 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: by the way, by the end of the twelve Day 210 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: War between Israel and Iran and by the end of 211 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: Operation Midnight Hammer under President Trump, now the Iranian military 212 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 3: defense infrastructure has basically been destroyed and the nuclear program 213 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: has been destroyed eliminated by President Trump in that beautiful 214 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: Midnight Hammer that the President refers to glowingly got. 215 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: To take a quick commercial break. More with Ellie on 216 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: the other side, how much of. 217 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: That of both Israel's attacks on Ran and then as 218 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: well as the United States and those bunker busting bombs. 219 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: What role did that play and sort of spurring these 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: protests or perhaps maybe giving confidence to people to protest. 221 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think there's two factors. So one again is 222 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: what I just mentioned, which is that the nation watched 223 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: forty seven years of resources get blown up, all because 224 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: the government, the regime is not ruling from a place 225 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,239 Speaker 3: of what's best for the country, but again their obsessive 226 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: anti Semitism, their desire to destroy Israel. And so they see, 227 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: they see what happened in the two year war between 228 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: Israel and Iran since October seventh. They saw Hamas get 229 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: destroyed along with most of Gaza. They see Hesboala get 230 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: mostly decapitated, who UIs mostly decapitated, Syria fall under Syria's 231 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: Asat fall. All of this was all of that roads. 232 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: Lead back to Tehran. 233 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: So the Iranian people watch as everything that the regime 234 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: had spent resources on Goden naught, and at the end 235 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: of the Twelve Day War and at the end of 236 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: Operation Midnight, hammer As you mentioned the US under President 237 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: Trump sending in those bunker busters and eliminating Iran's nuclear 238 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: program with the B two bombers. What they saw was 239 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: that the government, the regime is now completely vulnerable. Iran's 240 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: air defense systems have been completely wiped out. Many much 241 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: of the Iranian military brass was killed in the Twelve 242 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: Day War. So the people now are emboldened, Lisa, like 243 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: you just said, because they see that the that the 244 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: regime has just been left completely weak and vulnerable. At 245 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: the end of all this. 246 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: You know, to what degree you know, I know, the 247 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: Iranian media is highly you know controlled, To what degree 248 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: do you know? 249 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: I know we've seen TikTok posts and stuff like that. 250 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: You know, how much access do people have the sort 251 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: of the outside world and to what other people are 252 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: saying about what's happening within Iran. 253 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: Well, right now, as you know, we are, you know, 254 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: multiple multiple days into an inn a complete internet blackout. 255 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: Uh So, the. 256 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: Regime, in their fear of what you know is taking 257 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: place in the streets Aviran, they have completely shut down 258 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: the Internet. They have shut down even phone lines. We're 259 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: talking about days and days and days. And what that 260 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: does is it also doesn't allow any normal functioning of 261 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: society because there's literally no internet right now. But we 262 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: are hearing some reports that in the past twenty four 263 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: hours the regime has started to allow some connectivity, and 264 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: it's believed that it's two regime officials and regime affiliated people, 265 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: so it's very hand selected right now who has access. 266 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: And you know, the idea is that they're trying to 267 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: stop people from coordinating protests, right from organizing, and also 268 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: to stop the flow of images and video out of Iran. 269 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: To us here in the United States in particular. 270 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: But to the rest of the world. They you know, 271 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: we know right now that we don't have accurate numbers 272 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: of the of the Iranians who've been massacred at the 273 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: hand of the regime, but we know that's in the thousands. Everyday, 274 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: human rights organizations are coming out with revised numbers. I think, 275 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: I think that we are going to be horrified and shocked, 276 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: Lisa when we do see more of the images come 277 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: out of Iran. At the same time, President Trump has 278 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: been apparently reassured that the executions which were scheduled to 279 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: take place in the President sat yesterday something like eight 280 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty I think was the number that he 281 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: was quoting, but over eight hundred executions that were supposed 282 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: to take place of people who were taken to prison 283 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: from the protests that those executions have been stayed. Now, 284 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: I certainly have no trust for this regime. I believe 285 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: that they would do such a thing to try to 286 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: hold off American action. But you know, I wouldn't trust 287 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: them for anything. And you know, I wonder if the 288 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: fate of those individuals and the thousands of others that 289 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: are in political prisons across the country right now. You know, 290 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: I know that they're not safe, because history has told 291 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: us they're not safe. 292 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: Do you think are the protests protesters capable of overthrowing 293 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: the regime on their own or would they need some 294 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: sort of like foreign outside interviews on their behalf. 295 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 3: This is a really important question. Iranians have no they 296 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: have no weapons. I wish they had our constitutional rights, 297 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: but they do not. So the Iranian people who go 298 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: out on the streets say no that they're going to 299 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 3: be shot at with live fire with often with machine guns. 300 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: You know, you're talking about military grade equipment and they 301 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: have nothing. But they're going out, So courageously and literally 302 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 3: taking bullets to their bodies. So they certainly need help. 303 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: And I think that as President Trump is right now 304 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 3: weighing his options. And I believe that President Trump is 305 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 3: actively weighing his options on Iran. Look, he did draw 306 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 3: a red line when he told the regime that if 307 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: you kill protesters, we're gonna hit you. 308 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: We're gonna hit you hard. 309 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 3: And I believe President Trump has re established deterrents when 310 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 3: he came back into this second administration after four failed 311 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: years of Biden policies, most notably the Afghanistan debacle. And 312 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: so the president has you know, he has brought US 313 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: deterrens back, and I don't think he's going to he's 314 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: going to diminish that in any way. So I believe 315 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: he's weighing his options, and he's got a broad array 316 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: of optionstic kinetic options are obviously there, but some of 317 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: the easier options are of course trying to get more 318 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: internet capabilities, more starlink into Iran. And and to your 319 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: question about helping protesters, there are cyber cyber activity that 320 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: that the U s could take that would help the protesters. 321 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: The US can also in theory hit I R g C. 322 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: That's the Iran Iranian Revolutionary Guards core I r g 323 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: C and the Beast Siege militia, which are the local militias. 324 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 3: The US could hit their sites. So there are ways 325 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: that the US could help the protesters that are not 326 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: highly escalatory. But at the same time, Lisa, we're seeing 327 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: the US move a tremendous amount of assets into the region. 328 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that how much military 329 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: defection are we saying? 330 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: We're seeing reports of some mid level defections, which is 331 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: very interesting because defections are definitely what you need in 332 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: order to see a transition of power. You certainly need 333 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: to see defections, and it's something that you know, all 334 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: of us are looking out for. The Iranian exiled Crown 335 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: Prince Reza path Lavi, who's the son of the former 336 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: show that we were speaking about, lives in the United 337 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: States and he has created apparently some confidential mechanism where 338 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: Iranian security officials can reach out to him and try 339 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: to coordinate the defections, so you know, in combination, let's 340 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 3: say the scenario is that the US conducts strikes on 341 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: Iranian targets, you could see a scenario where the United 342 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: states might start talking to the leadership, you know, maybe 343 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 3: similar to a Venezuela situation, right, where you decapitate the 344 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 3: very top and then you talk to the to the 345 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: second and third in commands, right and try to stabilize 346 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: the country and stabilize the situation with them, and eventually, 347 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: you know, if there's enough defections and there's deals made 348 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: allowing people to escape the country, probably go to places 349 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: like Russia where USA is. You know, those are those 350 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: are scenarios that I could see happening, and the defections 351 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: are very key part of that because those same individuals 352 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: who defect could also be the same individuals who could 353 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: help maintain order in a transition scenario. 354 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of people, you know, 355 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: obviously there's always a concern when you see these sort 356 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: of like uprisings with you know, what might happen next 357 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: if the regime does crumble, if the regime does fall, 358 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: what do you think that would look like in terms 359 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: of leadership and what would that you know, regime change 360 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: or change of control look like. 361 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: Lisa, I think this is this is a very key 362 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 3: question that US policymakers. You know, my former colleagues in 363 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: the Trump administration are grappling with right now because you know, 364 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 3: we do know that President Trump has no interest in 365 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 3: troops on the ground, and and so this is what 366 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: everyone's grappling with. I will tell you this, I think 367 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: that our our own security establishment is somewhat traumatized and 368 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: I'm using that word not in jest, but they're traumatized 369 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: by our Iraq experience because Iraq fell into so much chaos, 370 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: and then, you know, many would argue that what Iraq, 371 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 3: the experience of Iraq was perhaps worse than what we 372 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: had under Saddam Husaying. The contrast for me, though, between 373 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: Iraq and Iran, is that what happens in a regime 374 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: collapse scenario. I don't see that as being worse than 375 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: what we have right now, because for forty seven years, 376 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: this regime has has undermined US national security interests. It 377 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: has the blood of thousands of American service members on 378 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 3: its hands. It has again it has funded and trained 379 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: and armed terror proxies. Hamas has Bulah, the who sees 380 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: Katab has Bulah, you know, was it was using Syria 381 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: and Asad as their own proxy as well. So all 382 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: of disease stabilization in the Middle East. All of that 383 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: was because of this regime. And also they were right 384 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: at our doorstep via Hezbola and Venezuela, and we heard 385 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 3: that from the president. So and then they were building 386 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: the nuclear program and the president said they were, you know, 387 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: something like two months away from having a nuclear bomb. 388 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: And Lisa here to me is the key point on this. 389 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: After the Twelve Day War and after Operation Midnight Hammer, 390 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: the Iranian regime could have licked their wounds, admitted to 391 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: themselves that their ideology has been defeated, and said, okay, 392 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 3: enough of this, Let's turn our attention to rebuilding the country. 393 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: Let's stop this, you know, foreign adventurism, Let's stop our radicalism. 394 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: Let's try to be normal and run the country. Because 395 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 3: they were left alone essentially after the Twelve Day War. 396 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: And Midnight Hammer. 397 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: But you know they didn't do that. They immediately turned 398 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: to rebuilding their missile program and rebuilding the nuclear program. 399 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: So this is. 400 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: Why they are where they are today. They've proven over 401 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 3: and over again that they are not rational actors, that 402 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 3: they cannot behave like a normal nation state. And so 403 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: this is why my belief is that a regime collapse 404 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: scenario will not be worse than what we have today 405 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: in Iran. 406 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: Quick break, stay with us. 407 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please you're on social 408 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: media or send it to your family and friends. 409 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: Where is this heading? You know what? What are you watching? 410 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: Sort of in the next few days, the next few weeks. 411 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: What are you looking for? 412 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: Well, what I'm seeing is that the United States is 413 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: moving a lot of assets into the Middle East region 414 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: and it's significant. So if give me one second, I 415 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: want to actually I want to tell you how much 416 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 3: is being moved into So We've got two aircraft carriers 417 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: that are already on their way and they have on 418 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: them F thirty five. We've got F fifteen E strike 419 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: fighters in Jordan, they've already landed. We've got about three 420 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: to four aerial refueling tankers that are being moved to 421 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 3: the Alu Day, the US base in Doha, and the 422 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal is reporting that additional Patriot and SAD 423 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: air defense systems are being moved to the Middle East. 424 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 3: All this while President Trump is according to seeking quote 425 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: decisive military options from the Pentagon. So you know, to 426 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 3: my mind, the United States doesn't move this level of 427 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 3: assets into the region unless there is some seriousness behind that. 428 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 2: So this is why I. 429 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 3: Am confident that President Trump is maintaining his red lines 430 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: and that there is going to be activity in Iran 431 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: very soon. I think as soon as those aircraft carriers 432 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: get to the region. Now, if you ask why do 433 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: we need such a tremendous build up when we do 434 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: know that the Iranian air defenses are down and so forth, 435 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: and that they have been so weakened, well we can 436 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: expect that, you know, I think this is like the 437 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 3: final Battle Lisa, and so you can expect that whatever 438 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 3: capabilities the Iranian proxies have, they're going to use it. 439 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 3: So the Israelis, as an example, have apparently said that 440 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: they needed more time to get prepared, so they're getting 441 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: themselves prepared for I don't think AMS has that much 442 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 3: more capability, but Hesbola in Lebanon does, so they're preparing 443 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: themselves for potential Hesbola missile attacks. You've got still the 444 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 3: who thies have capabilities in Yemen. We could see them activated, 445 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: we could see Katave Hesbola, we could see others in 446 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: the region that Iran are Iranian sponsored. And then of 447 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: course whatever the Iranians might themselves have. 448 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: Have in their own capabilities. 449 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: I think that they the Iranian regime understands that they 450 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: are on their last leg and so we the US 451 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 3: is preparing for any scenario right now, as as are 452 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: our allies in the region. So again, Lisa, I'm convinced 453 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: that we're going to see I'm convinced we're going to 454 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: see kinetic activity. We're going to see US strikes, and 455 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: there's all kinds of targets. 456 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: First of all, the US. 457 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: Could decide to take out those very missile stockpiles that 458 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: the Iranians have to try to limit that retaliatory capability 459 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: and also to protect everyone should the regime collapse. Then 460 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: you've taken out those weapons that we're afraid of falling 461 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: into the wrong hands. After a collapse scenario, they could 462 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: hit IRGC sites, they could hit passiage sites, they could 463 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: hit olil rigs and refineries. But I don't see the 464 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 3: US doing that because I think, just like Venezuela in 465 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: a day after scenario, the United States want to partner 466 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: with Iran on oil. But you know, I would say 467 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: stay tuned because we will see. Excuse me, I'm convinced 468 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: we're going to see activity very soon, and. 469 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: Then before we go, We're seeing a lot of rampant 470 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: anti Semitism in the country and around the globe as well, 471 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: and it used to be more in like specific pockets, 472 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: and then now it seems like it's being mainstreamed. 473 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: Why do you think that's happening. What's attributing to that? 474 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: I think that October seventh unleashed this horrific bloodlust all 475 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: across the world, because what we saw happened was that 476 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: Hamas Hamas massacred more Jews on October seventh. It was 477 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: a deadly stay for Jews since the Holocaust, twelve hundred 478 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: Jews and Israelis, and before Israel had a chance to 479 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: even bury their dead, we start to see this Prohamas 480 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: movement explode in every Western city and all across the 481 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 3: United States. So I am I believe that when Israel 482 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 3: is attacked, essentially it becomes like open season on the Jews, 483 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: and there was this sense of maybe there was weakness 484 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: and vulnerability, and so the haters came out in droves 485 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: and thought that they had a moment of power. And unfortunately, 486 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: under the previous Biden administration in the United States, the 487 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: movement was allowed to flourish and grow. Now with the 488 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: Trump administration back in office, we're seeing them take really 489 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: strong action and I really commit and the administration and 490 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: it has been a whole of government approach. So that's 491 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: everything from the DOJ taking on the universities to when 492 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: there are hate crimes committed, identifying them as hate crimes 493 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 3: and prosecuting as hate crimes. So in the case of 494 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: the to Israeli embassy staff that were shot down in 495 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: front of a Jewish event in Washington, d C. The 496 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: Colorado attack, the Trump administration immediately again treated it as 497 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: hate crimes, is prosecuting as hate crimes. 498 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: And so this is exactly what we need to see. 499 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 3: But we have problems because most of American Jewelry happen 500 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: to live in Democrat runs cities and Democrat runs states. 501 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: Places like New York is the biggest Jewish population, then 502 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 3: you've got California, Florida, and so again a place like 503 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: New York City under a mom Donnie, the Jewish community 504 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: is bracing themselves for what will unfold. And in fact, 505 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 3: you know, we already saw a synagogue where synagogue goers 506 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: were wanting to go inside to pray and also attend 507 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: an event real estate event for Israel and an event 508 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: that was helping Jews to move to Israel who wanted 509 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: to move there, and they were targeted, harassed and assaulted 510 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 3: on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City. 511 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: This is the kind of thing that we see too 512 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 3: often in Democrats run cities and states, and so, you know, 513 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: I think that the American Jews are just looking to 514 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: the Trump administration and federal authorities to help and to override. 515 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: But it's really a sad state of affairs that that 516 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: is the case. And you know, all I can say 517 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 3: is that people really need to understand that elections have consequences. 518 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: They sure do, and unfortunately we've had to learn that 519 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: the hard way, especially the under four years and the 520 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: Biden administrations. So and unfortunately New Work's going to learn 521 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: that under Mom Donnie as well. Ellie Kahanum, I appreciate 522 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: you coming on the show. 523 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, my friend, Thank you, thanks for having 524 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: me Lisa. 525 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: That was Ellie kahanem appreciate her for coming on the show. 526 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 527 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I also want 528 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: to thank John Cassio, M my producer for putting the 529 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: show together until next time.