1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: I know many of you out there are hungry for 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: more paranormal content these days. What if I told you 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: there is about to be a community just for fans 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: of ghosts and hauntings like us. For months, I've been 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: working on something incredible and I am so thrilled to 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: be releasing it into the wild. I'd like to be 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: the first to welcome you to the Paranormal Circle. 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Even more, you will be on 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: the list for private in person meetups plus dedicated Paranormal 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Circle meetups at your favorite paranormal conventions. Strange escapes, retreats, 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: and comic cons. We've also worked with many of these 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: events and your favorite paranormal retailers to offer Paranormal Circle 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: only discounts. All of this, plus dedicated merchandise and swag giveaways, 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: amounts to one really cool space for all of us 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: to enjoy together. If this sounds right up your dark alley, 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: then I'd like to personally invite you to be one 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: of the first to join the Paranormal Circle. If you'd 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: like to join the waiting list to be one of 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: the founding members of the Circle, head to Amybrunie dot 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: com and get on the list asap. We'll be opening 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: up membership this spring, and those on the waiting list 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: get first access. Again, all of this is only accessible 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to Paranormal Circle members, so head to Amy Bruney dot 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: com and join the waiting list today. What is it 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: about trains? If you followed my career for a while, 37 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: you know I've had a few paranormal run ins very 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: much having to do with trains. Perhaps most memorable is 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: the time I investigated the exact spot on train tracks 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: where decades earlier, a car carrying four women had been 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: t boned by a train, killing three of them instantly. 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: My investigation there was captured on the Kindred Spirits episode 43 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: fittingly titled Ghost Train. As I sat in the darkness, 44 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: listening back to my recorder hoping for an answer, I 45 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: got a lot more than I bargained for. Out of 46 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the blue, the railroad crossing lights and bells came on 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, a shocking occurrence in the still of 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: the night. There was no train. The tracks ran one 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: train in the summer, and that was it. This was 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, in the winter. And when 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: we investigated further by calling the folks who supposedly serviced 52 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: that train crossing, they claimed it wasn't even functional at 53 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: that time. But even beyond that, there is something you 54 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know about that investigation, something that didn't make air. 55 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: You see that night as I ran, yes, I literally ran, well, 56 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: maybe we can say hustled in order to save my dignity. Anyway, 57 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: As I made my way back to the car, I 58 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: saw standing in the forest by the side of the 59 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: road a very tall, dark figure watching us just from 60 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: the tree line. My producer saw it, too, loudly saying 61 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: did you see that? As we got in the car, 62 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: so as you can imagine the idea of ghosts and 63 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: trains together both fascinate and terrify me. On that note, 64 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: why don't you climb aboard and join me as we 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: venture to the Buffalo Central Terminal. Maybe I'll even let 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: you ride in the kaboots. Sorry I had to. 67 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Bruney, and welcome to Haunted Road in. 68 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: Buffalo, New York. Nestled between Lake Erie and Niagara Falls, 69 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: not too far from the Canadian border, stands a seventeen 70 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: story tower with a massive round clock mounted on its front. 71 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: Once the tower was regularly lit by floodlights, and it 72 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: was said to be visible from fifteen miles away. It's 73 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: one of the many features of Buffalo Central Terminal, a 74 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: nearly century old railway station. Although the brick walls are 75 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: worn with age, you can see its old grandeur in 76 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: the tall arched ceilings. In the main concourse, there's six 77 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: stories high, with five story windows on the walls. Tiles 78 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: and metal grills feature geometric patterns in flor de les. 79 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Its airy in sunlit at least outside of the tower, 80 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: which has boards over its windows. The station features numerous 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Art Deco flourishes which were popular when construction on the 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: station began on March twenty ninth, nineteen twenty six. At 83 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: the time, railroads were particularly important to Buffalo's economy. Once 84 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: the western terminus of the Erie Canal, the city was 85 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: a thoroughfare for travelers. In a United States Department of 86 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: Interior report, Claire L. Ross wrote, one historian has noted 87 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: that no American city during the late nineteenth and early 88 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: twentieth centuries owes more to railroads than did Buffalo. Buffalo 89 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: had a railway as early as eighteen forty eight, and 90 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: it was considered the second biggest train hub in the 91 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: United States after Chicago, as reported by John Hag, Thomas Fidelli, 92 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: and Michael Fidelli in Photographic History of Buffalo Central Terminal, 93 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: But there was no central meeting place for all the 94 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: various lines. In eighteen seventy nine, Buffalo residents began calling 95 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: for just that, and a little under fifty years later, 96 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Central Terminal broke ground. It had seven platforms 97 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: under the concourse with fourteen sets of tracks, and it 98 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: hosted offices for fifteen hundred employees, a separate mall building, 99 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: and per Claire Ross's report, an underground tunnel for baggage. 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: The depot was constructed roughly two and a half miles 101 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: from Buffalo's downtown district, which might sound odd for a 102 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: transportation hub, but the city had been going through an 103 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: explosive period of growth. Planners fully expected that the downtown 104 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: neighborhood would also spread, eventually stretching right up to the 105 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Buffalo Central Terminal's front doors. After all, this was a 106 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: period of expansion and transformation, and it seemed wise to 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: account for that when building. When the terminal opened its 108 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: doors to the public, the Mayor of Buffalo declared the 109 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: day a civic holiday, and in addition to giving a 110 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: speech at the opening ceremony, he donated a large stuffed 111 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: buffalo head to the train station. The event was also 112 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: marked with a stylish party, and more than two thousand 113 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: guests gathered to watch the station's first ever departure at 114 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: two ten pm, as reported by Dwayne Claude and Cassidy 115 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: O'Connor in Haunted Buffalo Ghosts in the Queen City. Early 116 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: visitors also had the opportunity to peruse the station's other offerings, 117 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: like restaurants, newsstands, barbershops, and stores selling toys and jewelry, 118 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, the lavish opening celebrations happened on June twenty second, 119 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine, just four months before Black Thursday, the 120 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: day some historians point to as the start of the 121 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Great Depression. As people lost their jobs and homes, they 122 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: weren't traveling as much as before. Between nineteen twenty nine, 123 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: the year Buffalo Central Terminal open, and in nineteen thirty three, 124 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: the New York Central Railroad lost money consistently. This included 125 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: more than eighty percent of its net revenue from passengers. 126 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: It didn't help matters that the federal government rolled back 127 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: certain subsidies for railway systems, meaning maintenance and repair costs 128 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: started falling on private owners. Naturally, as expenses went up 129 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: when profits went down, the Buffalo Central Terminal became a 130 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: financial burden and its former potential transformed into a liability. 131 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: By the mid nineteen thirties, when the depot was only 132 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: about a decade old, portions of the building were shut 133 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: down due to lack of use. Likewise, the town of 134 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Buffalo's period of expansion stalled to a stop, and the 135 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: downtown neighborhood never grew to reach the depot the way 136 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: the original builders had hoped it would since it first 137 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: opened nearly a cent ago. The Buffalo Central Terminal only 138 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: operated at full capacity during one time period, World War Two. Understandably, 139 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: as members of the military moved across the country, they 140 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: needed to use railways more frequently, but civilian rail usage 141 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: increased as well. Gas rations made it impractical for people 142 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: to drive as much as they might otherwise. Enlistes and 143 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: anyone else traveling through the Buffalo Central Terminal would stop 144 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: by a large stuffed bison in the concourse and pat 145 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: its head, as reported by Ponite Pharma on Alcatron's Buffalo 146 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: Central Terminal web page. Soldiers's girlfriends would also kiss them 147 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: goodbye well before they boarded, as they weren't allowed onto 148 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: the platform. According to the Buffalo Courier Express and Journal, 149 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Benedict Brooke wrote that the top selling item for jewelers 150 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: at the station were ten dollars engagement rings, presumably so 151 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: servicemen could make last minute proposals before shipping off to 152 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: their deployments. At one point, a reporter from the Buffalo 153 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: Courier Express described how one train loaded with about five 154 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: hundred servicemen and volunteers pulled away from the station on 155 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: Christmas Day. Sadly, Buffalo locals who were killed in action 156 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: would often return to the terminal as well, when the 157 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: government shipped their remains back home. Even POWs passed through 158 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Train depot. In some cases, captured German soldiers 159 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: were put to work at the station. But this period 160 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: of high usage and regular traffic couldn't last forever. After 161 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: the war ended, the Buffalo Central Terminal fell back into disuse. 162 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: In the nineteen fifties, only a handful of trains departed 163 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: from its platforms, local lines, plus one that made five 164 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: daily trips to Niagara Falls. By nineteen fifty nine, even 165 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: the waterfall trips were suspended due to lack of interest. 166 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Two years after that, the terminal only boasted one single 167 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: departure per day, a train that ran to New York City. 168 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: By December third, nineteen sixty seven, that too, was discontinued. 169 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: For about a decade afterward, various railways tried to find 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: ways to utilize the Grand Train station, but none of 171 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: these ventures were successful. Portions of the facility had to 172 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: be demolished. The property tax alone was too expensive to 173 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: justify keeping them standing. In nineteen seventy nine, the winter 174 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: heating bill at the terminal was one hundred and fifty 175 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, the equivalent of roughly six hundred thirty thousand 176 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: dollars today. Ironically, the hefty expense was part of what 177 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: kept the Buffalo Central Terminal standing even after it stopped 178 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: operating as a train depot. Demolishing a whole building is expensive, 179 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: and it was cheaper for the owners to just abandon 180 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: it and let it fall into disuse. In nineteen seventy nine, 181 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: a man named Anthony Fidele stepped forward to save the 182 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo Central Terminal. That year, when the two the train station 183 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: went up for auction, Anthony was the only prospective buyer 184 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: to place a bid, so he purchased the old depot 185 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: for seventy five thousand dollars adjusted for inflation, that's three 186 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars today. He planned to renovate 187 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: it into a massive complex that would draw tourists, complete 188 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: with lodging shops in an event space that could host 189 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: concerts or sporting events. If Buffalo's downtown area had expanded 190 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and grown around the train station like the builders originally intended, 191 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: that plan might have worked, but it still hadn't, so 192 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: those ambitions never came to fruition. Even when Anthony managed 193 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: to set up a few events at the Central Terminal, 194 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: like a festival for the local Polish community and a 195 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: couple of boxing tournaments, they weren't exactly successful. The authorities 196 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: shut the events down due to a lack of proper 197 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: licensing and perhaps more importantly, because the fire department deemed 198 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Central Terminal was unsafe. While the train station 199 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: crumbled around him, Anthony didn't give up on his vision. 200 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: He lived on site in an apartment in either the 201 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: third or fourth floor of the Central Tower because he 202 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: had concerns about intruders breaking into the terminal. Anthony lived 203 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: with a protective German shepherd named Moose. All the while 204 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: he was falling further behind on the property taxes he 205 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: owed on the depot, and even setting up a repayment 206 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: plan wasn't enough to get him out of debt. In 207 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, he had no choice but to auction 208 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: off the building. The new owner didn't do much of 209 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: anything to restore or even maintain the facility, which fell 210 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: further into disrepair until nineteen ninety seven. Then finally the 211 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo Central Terminal was bought by the Central Terminal Restoration Corporation, 212 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: a nonprofit group that began a multi decade renovation effort. 213 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: In the Buffalo News, reporter Rick Stofer said they bought 214 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: the depot for just one dollar, but their expenses were 215 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: greater than that, as they also agreed to pay half 216 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the five figure back tax bill for the station, and 217 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: of course, they also took on the hefty expenses of 218 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: maintaining and restoring the facility. Their repairs are still underway 219 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and the station is in need of significant work before 220 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: it can regain its former glory. Some parts of the 221 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: depot are open for tours, though in the years before 222 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: its long slow recovery, unsubstantiated stories spread about deaths and 223 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: tragedies at the Buffalo Central Terminal. According to rumors, before 224 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: the nonprofit bought the facility, homeless would take shelter in 225 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: the basement, which could get bitterly cold at night. It 226 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: said numerous people froze to death there, and in a 227 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: story that hits a bit closer to home for me, 228 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: a ghost hunter was injured in July of twenty twenty one. 229 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: She was standing on a roof above a substation that 230 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: collapsed and she felt something like fifteen to twenty feet. 231 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: She had to be rushed to a hospital, where she 232 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: would diagnosed with a broken sh blade, four broken ribs, 233 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: and a punctured lung. But it's done surprising that she 234 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: and other paranormal investigators are drawn to Buffalo Central Terminal. 235 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: There have been reports of spirits there, including the ghost 236 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: of former owner Anthony Fidelli. He died in nineteen ninety 237 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: five before many of the major renovations could begin, but 238 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: it's said he still lingers in the tower where he 239 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: once lived. Some visitors say he's answered questions for them, 240 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: while others sends him beside or behind them while they 241 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: go to the tower's third floor, where his apartment might 242 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: have been. Sometimes he's joined by the specter of his 243 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: German shepherd Moose. The Haunted House's web page on the 244 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Buffalo Central Terminal notes that Anthony can be a bit 245 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: skittish around visitors. He seems to be worried that he'll 246 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: be forced to abandon the depot again, just like how 247 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: he had no choice but to sell it in life. 248 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: Others have spotted what appear to be World War II 249 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: era enlistes and their families. Some are believed to be 250 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: soldiers who died in battle whose remains were transported back 251 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: through the train station. Visitors have also seen what appear 252 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: to be families waiting in futility for their deceased loved 253 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: ones to return from war. Some guests have even reported 254 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: they've heard the voice of a German pow. Writers for 255 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: the Haunted House's website speculated he's still diligently at work today, 256 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: unaware that he's passed away or that the war is 257 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: long over. Additionally, a woman named Rose is said to 258 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: linger near the baggage claim area. She exclusively interacts with 259 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: female investigators and visitors and is said to dislike men, 260 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: and a young girl and a boy who's been dubbed 261 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: Zachary sometimes play in the tower where Anthony Fidelli's apartment 262 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: used to be. Beyond that, the Buffalo Central Terminal has 263 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: many of the features that are common in haunted locations, 264 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: like cold spots, footsteps, and laughter that doesn't have an 265 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: apparent source. Figures appear in Vanish, and a seemingly spectral 266 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: black cat has been spotted multiple times. On one occasion, 267 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: a representative of the nonprofit that owns the station claimed 268 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: to see two men approach a drinking fountain and sip 269 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: from it. Then before the witness's eyes, the men and 270 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: the fountain all disappeared. Ironically, while Buffalo Central Terminal barely 271 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: achieved its potential as a massive railway depot, it has 272 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: become a hub of a different sort, a hotspot for hauntings. 273 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: Up next, we're going to talk to good friend Tim Shaw. 274 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: He is a local investigator and paranormal researcher who has 275 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: investigated Buffalo Central Terminal a number of times. That is 276 00:17:45,280 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: coming up after the break. So I am now joined 277 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: by someone who may be familiar to many of you, 278 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: who's definitely familiar to me, mister Tim Shaw, who is 279 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: an author, a speaker of regular on the events circuit. 280 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: I see him all the time at para CON's, and 281 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: this guy has the best radio voice. It's as though 282 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: he used to be in radio. Tim, you think, well, 283 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: it's really nice to have you on the program. I 284 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: know you're very familiar with Buffalo Central Terminal. This is 285 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: a location that I actually have investigated, but it was 286 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: under very unusual circumstances. I investigated it on Ghost Hunters Live, 287 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: and so that always kind of has a different set 288 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: of challenges. But in that process, you know, we spent 289 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: multiple days there, even off camera, just kind of getting 290 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: ready for everything, and we had experiences that no one 291 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: got to see, like it is really a very active place. 292 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: So just kind of along those lines. How did you 293 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: get started with Buffalo Central Tournal? What was your role there? 294 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: Well, I was a volunteer there and friends of mine 295 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: actually started the public ghost hunts when they were raising 296 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: money for the terminal, and I started getting involved when 297 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: we started cleaning the place up in order to go 298 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: and make it I won't say inhabitable, but I'll say 299 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: that it would make it more safe for the public 300 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 3: to walk through. You got it, you know. I mean, 301 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: I'm sure you covered before that. It was abandoned for 302 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 3: a number of years and vandals got in there and 303 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: just really destroyed it after the salvage operations stripped it, 304 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: you know. So that's when I first got involved with it, 305 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 3: and it's an amazing place. I'm a history nerd from 306 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: way back, and I absolutely loved the architecture, the whole 307 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 3: idea of how intricately important it was to my area, 308 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 3: what this building represented. So that's when I really fell 309 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 3: in love with the building. 310 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it is stunning. It is something to behold, 311 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, you really do. You feel like you're stepping 312 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: back in time, which you truly are, because really not 313 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: much has happened to it since the sixties. I know 314 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: there have been a number of attempts over the years 315 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: to kind of salvage it in some way, but kind 316 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: of like what you were saying, when the first time 317 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: Ghost Hunters went there the show I used to be 318 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: on years ago, the first time they went there, during 319 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: the tour, the man giving the tour actually had to 320 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: go down in one of the tunnels or something because 321 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: they thought there might be someone down there, and he 322 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: got attacked by someone with a crowbar who broke his hand. 323 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: Like you know, it's one of those things. I always 324 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: try to warn investigators that some of these locations you 325 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: don't know who you're going to run into, the living 326 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: or can be much more scary than the dead. And 327 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: this is kind of a good example of that. 328 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 3: Much more. And you know, and here's the thing, they 329 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: because it was abandoned for so many years, there are 330 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: so many ways to get into that location, or there 331 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: were so many I'll clarify that the new the new 332 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: restoration Corporation that has administered to it, has really sealed 333 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: it up tight. Plus there's cameras and all sorts of 334 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: alarms and all sorts of things now with that building. 335 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: But I believe when you guys came in, it was 336 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: still there were still some openings. A lot of it 337 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: was just you know, sealed with plywood so they could 338 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 3: push it down or kick it in. And yeah, I 339 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 3: mean there were a lot of homeless that actually lived there. 340 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, one of the spirits 341 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: there that we've kind of contacted was a spirit of 342 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: a homeless man who actually froze to death in one 343 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: of the tunnels. 344 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was something I covered in the history how 345 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: that happened. Unfortunately often in the winters. I mean, Buffalo 346 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: has a very harsh winter, as many of us know, 347 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: so kind of getting into the paranormal activity there, like, 348 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: obviously you were able to identify as spirit, But what 349 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: what do you think that people encounter there most often? Like, 350 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: what is the most prevalent type of activity? 351 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: You know, I believe a lot of it's a lot 352 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: of residual I'll say about eighty probably eighty five percent 353 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 3: of what people are experiencing as residual because there's so 354 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: many triggers in that place. People walk in there and 355 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: first of all, they're wild by the architecture and how 356 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: they're actually rebuilding it. But I believe that when we 357 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: start talking about the history of the location vibrationally. The 358 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 3: spiritualist community that I belong to believes that thoughts are 359 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: things and everything is vibrational in nature. So the actual 360 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 3: even thought of what happened there, what was going on there, 361 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: can trigger a reaction. So I believe a lot of 362 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 3: what they're what people are are are feeling, has already happened. 363 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: Now that being said, you know, there are locations in 364 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: that place that definitely had an interaction, an intelligent interaction. 365 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 3: Tony Fideli's apartment, one of the interim owners of the location. 366 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: He lived at the location. Uh, that is really a 367 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: place that we've gotten a lot of interaction with, and 368 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: uniquely down in the trolley lobby, we've gotten shadow people 369 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: and dark masses that have you know, actually traveled towards 370 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: us in one of the halls and stuff. So there's 371 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: a lot of there's there's enough U two way communication 372 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: for it to really be not just a dead zone 373 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: and picking up just a history of it, but a 374 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: lot of it I believe is all trigger. I mean, 375 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 3: I really do, because the place is just historically it's 376 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: been at you know, so active. The other thing is 377 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: is just the makeup of the building. The stone masonry 378 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 3: of that building I believe holds in so much of 379 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: that history and the vibration of that history. And that 380 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 3: was an emotional place. So you've got to remember that 381 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 3: not just people coming and going and freight being delivered. 382 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about let'st's say World War two. 383 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: You have all these gis leaving, you know, from the 384 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: Buffalo area and passing through, and then how many times 385 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 3: didn't they well they either didn't come home or they 386 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: came home in boxes, you know, their caskets came home 387 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: that way through the freight the freight area. So it's 388 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: an area of high, high, high emotion. And the mezzanine 389 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: was a USO spot that had a band, and so 390 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 3: the emotions were always so high, especially like during that era. 391 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: Emotions are vibrations and vibrations imprint. It's just something that 392 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: as spiritual as we take for granted, and I believe 393 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 3: that's what really triggers a lot of the activity there. 394 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree, because I thought about that a lot, 395 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, like you were saying, obviously it's a very 396 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: kind of transient place for many years, but also particularly 397 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: that World War Two era, the emotions running high in 398 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: that spot, Like I can't imagine the anxiousness, the wondering 399 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. You know, many times, you know, 400 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: they were saying that they would sell engagement rings in 401 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: the terminal because these gis would propose at the last 402 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: minute to their girlfriends before they left. So I just 403 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine like what that imprint does to a space, 404 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: and so I do think that definitely has something to 405 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: do with it. I know, I remember seeing a lot 406 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: of shadow figures when I was there, and I remember 407 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: it's always strange when you're doing a live broadcast because 408 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people maybe don't understand is that when 409 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: we're doing one of those live shows, it's funny they 410 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: always have to hire crews from like the NFL and stuff, 411 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: people who are used to doing live broadcasts, and so 412 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're teaching these you know, fifty or 413 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: sixty crew members. All of a sudden you know, they're 414 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: used to trying to catch the action and we're like, no, actually, 415 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: you just have to be very quiet and just don't move. 416 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: But in the middle of all that hubbub, I still 417 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: found myself so many times just by myself in that 418 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: building because everything they were doing was outside, and I 419 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: tell you, it felt very alive. It felt there was 420 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of a hum to it. And I think that's 421 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: kind of what you're describing now. As far as Tony's apartment, 422 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: do you think that's who people interact with there as 423 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: him in particular? 424 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 3: I believe so because in several EVPs that I've heard 425 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: and I believe I captured when it's been a couple 426 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: of years since I've actually pulled up the evidence from 427 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: the central terminal, we did get the first name Tony, 428 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: and I've heard it repeated in other EVPs also when 429 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: we were using scanner boxes back in the let's face it, 430 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 3: back in the old days, you know, the old radio 431 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 3: shack cat. 432 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: Jack cats, that's what I think. I follow. 433 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, that's pretty much. That's pretty much what. 434 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: I still use a lot of the original stuff and 435 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: we would get real time interaction up there, and to me, 436 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: that was really great because we would get a day, 437 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 3: sometimes we would get a year. Sometimes we would get 438 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: what sounded like a party going on, because Tony was 439 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: a pretty big party guy. I hear right, and you know, 440 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: you would hear several voices and you would hear laughing, 441 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: and I've actually heard what sounded like glasses clinking. That's 442 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: exactly it was. It was amazing because we're all sitting 443 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 3: there in a circle kind of just hanging out and relaxing, 444 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 3: and we're going, so, what do you think, Tony, is 445 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: it is? It? Is it cocktail time? And almost immediately 446 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: we got like several like clink clink, clink, click, like 447 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 3: it sounded like the clinking of glasses over the over 448 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: the scanner. So I kind of figured, then, okay, Tony, 449 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: you you enjoy hanging out with us, so that you know, 450 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 3: so we always got some really good stuff up there. 451 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, is there any Have you seen any evidence of 452 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: a ghost dog like I heard? I don't remember it 453 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: was Tony's dog, but I think it was Tony's talk. 454 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: Have you seen any ask to shepherds? 455 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I've heard. Now I have a Labrador, 456 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 3: so I mean I'm used to hearing her feet running around, 457 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: you know, and we've actually heard what we thought was 458 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: the sound of a dog like kind of walking quickly 459 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: and I mean audibly. We actually heard it, and we 460 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: went out looking to investigate. We found nothing. I mean, 461 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: it would have made sense that a dog could have 462 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 3: a stray dog could have got in there, but we 463 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: would have you know, unless that dog really went and 464 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 3: hid underneath something, some debris or something. We couldn't find it. 465 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 3: I mean, we spent probably an hour or so looking 466 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: for you know, trying to debunk that. 467 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, people ask me about ghost animals all the time, 468 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you'd be surprised how often we run 469 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: into them. So obviously that seemed kind of intelligent, you know, 470 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: the interaction happening up there. Is there anyone that you've 471 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: encountered there, any spirits you've encountered there that seem like 472 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: they're unhappy in any way or or come off as 473 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to say negative, like a negative entity. 474 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: Image is like something you know, maybe just you know, 475 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: a little more mischievous or darker. 476 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: Well, I won't say darker. I'll say that as someone 477 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: who has worked within the spirituals community as a medium myself, 478 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: I will say there's some really net there's a there's 479 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: a couple of grumpy sobs in the place, and you know, 480 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: they'll they'll go. And I believe that they like to 481 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: mess with some investigators. Not so much myself because I 482 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: you know, I've been scratched, pushed, you know, I belong 483 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: to that club, but they like to mess with people 484 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 3: that are you know, rather I'll just say new and 485 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 3: they're they don't have that belief system that well, you know, 486 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: this is this is somebody that is just out there 487 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 3: and they try to go and they try to scare you. 488 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: It's almost like a parasitical spirit where they're trying to 489 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: suck off that energy where it's like you know, the 490 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: heightened anxiety or heightened being scared or you know, something 491 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: of that nature. Yeah, there's been a couple of people 492 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: that I mean have come up to me going, I 493 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: think I got an attachment, and it's like, no, you 494 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: didn't get an attachment, you know, dude, this is just 495 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: this is just this is just a grumpy old you know, 496 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: don't worry, you know, it's nothing to worry about, you know, 497 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: And some people have gotten scratched there. I don't know, 498 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 3: I wasn't there present in their group when they got scratched, 499 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: So they could have gotten you know, they could have 500 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: leaned up against a concrete wall or something and got scratched. 501 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: But you know, nothing that is I would consider like 502 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: super negative, like you know, within the realm of the 503 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: you know, the demonic. I've never run into anything like that. 504 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: I have down out just outside that trolley area, there 505 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: is a long maintenance area and we were in there 506 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: the one time, and I have to tell you there 507 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 3: was a like a like a dark mass that really 508 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: kind of sucked up all the ambient light and it 509 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: was slowly coming towards us. I've only experienced it once 510 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: before at Waverley Tuberculosi's Hospital, and so it was unique 511 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: to have that in this Buffalo area because I've never 512 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 3: experienced it anywhere else. And there was such a feeling 513 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: of dread that we all looked at each other and said, 514 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 3: you know, maybe discretion is the better part of valor 515 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: on this one. So we're gonna let this We're gonna 516 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: just let this thing have it space because it just 517 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: didn't feel right. 518 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: You know. 519 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: The barometric pressure started to drop and and everybody got that, 520 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: you know, the exorcist call it the gift of discernment, 521 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: where you get that queasy feeling and your you know, 522 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: in your solar plexus. And we all got it. I 523 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: think there was like five or six of us that 524 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: you know that we're there at the time. We're all 525 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: standing there, we all saw it, we all kind of 526 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: felt the exact same thing. And I said, let's just 527 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 3: let it have it space. You know, there's no you know, 528 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not you know that I'm not of 529 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: that of that cult that goes and pokes the pokes 530 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: the devil. Now, sometimes sometimes it's better to let it 531 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: have it space, let it see what's going on, and 532 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: then next time you go down there, maybe if it's intelligent, 533 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: it will interact with you on a more civil I 534 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: would say, a more civil level, rather than being on 535 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: the defensive. So that's that's probably the worst that I've 536 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: ever experience there. Although you know, again, I've got a 537 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: lot of stories from people that are like, oh my god, 538 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: this happened, then that happened. But for the most part, 539 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: these are people that overreact. They overreact to someone can 540 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: pass win somewhere. It's a demon, you know it. 541 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: It's very true you know. 542 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: You know, that's the only way I could describe it properly. 543 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: Right, you know, I think that's that's really good advice, actually, 544 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying. So, you know, I always I use 545 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: the term grumpy ghosts a lot, you know, And I 546 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: always try to tell people, you know, just some just 547 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: because someone dies doesn't mean they stop being a jerk. 548 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: Kind of along those sides. Even when I was on 549 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: when I was on Kindred Spirits, when we were filming Kindred, 550 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: they were they used to get mad at me worth 551 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: using the term grumpy ghost too much. I'm like, what 552 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: do you want me to call them? I do love 553 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: that advice, though, Like when you encounter someone or something 554 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: that seems a little standoffish, like you don't have to 555 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: go right forward at that moment, like maybe just cautiously 556 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: tell them who you are and what you're doing and 557 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: leave and let them think about it. You know. It's 558 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: just like a living person who you're trying to befriend 559 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: or like, you know, you want you don't need to 560 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: come in and kill them with kindness right away and 561 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: be like be my friend, interact you know. 562 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: So but so many people think like that, you know, 563 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: I don't know where it comes from. But I mean 564 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: I've been doing this. I mean I was introduced into 565 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: the lily Dale Spiritualist Assembly here in Western New York 566 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 3: in like nineteen seventy two, and I've had the religion 567 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: of spiritual and has been in my father's side of 568 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 3: the family since the eighteen eighties. So I was introduced 569 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 3: to this stuff early. And for me, I look at 570 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: the point that there's no difference psychologically and emotionally between 571 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 3: the living and the debt. I really don't. And I 572 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: just to me, they're just like people if we're working 573 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 3: to let's say, clear something, that's a whole different story. 574 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: You know, you only have so much time to work, 575 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. You know, you get your you get 576 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: your job done, and you do whatever you have to 577 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 3: do to get the job. You know, complete it. But 578 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 3: if you're out there in an investigation and you know 579 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: you can take your time, you can always you can 580 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: go back to the location if it's open or even 581 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: on a public can go back several times. Don't go 582 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 3: and just poke that Dowvill. It's just not worth it 583 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: because you're not going to get anything then. And then, 584 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: not to be funny, but somehow there may be a 585 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: communication between these energetic personalities, and they may become hesitant 586 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: to even communicate with you because how many times did 587 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 3: and you, I mean you know yourself, how many times 588 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: have you stood there and had somebody next to you 589 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 3: catch an EVP you didn't get it? How many times 590 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 3: have you stood next to somebody that they're k two 591 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 3: meter or whatever meter they're using is just just blowing 592 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 3: up and yours isn't doing anything. Sometimes it's just you know, 593 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 3: you have to be able to go and accept the 594 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: fact that some that some spirits may go and target 595 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 3: certain people for that communication, or you may be psychologically 596 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: or physically made up to you know, to be similar 597 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 3: because like one of the natural laws and spiritualism is 598 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 3: like attracts like so perhaps that but that's it. But 599 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 3: I believe that if you go in and you're just 600 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: you know, going gangbusters, you're neck, they're just gonna shut 601 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 3: you right off and you're going to go home and say, well, 602 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 3: that was a waste of money. 603 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: Well that's just it too. Like when you go to 604 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: Buffalo Central, which I don't know that they're having investigations 605 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: at the moment, but like when you go there, you 606 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: you don't know who it is you're interacting with. You know, 607 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: you could be interacting with someone who you know was 608 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: a former owner and lived there, or you could be 609 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: interacting with someone who tragically passed away, you know in 610 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: the Buffalo winter colds, you know, beneath the building. Or 611 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: you could be talking to someone who served in World 612 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: War Two, or who knows who else, And so it's 613 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: just you kind of have to go in. Like I 614 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: always tell people to investigate, like you're walking into a 615 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: party and you don't know anyone there, and you're trying 616 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: to make friends, you know, and don't assume who you're 617 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: talking to. And I think Buffalo Central Termal is the 618 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: perfect example of that because there are so many different 619 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: facets to. 620 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 3: It and the amount of people that have passed through 621 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: there is mind blowing. And it was such an integral 622 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 3: part of the community, that whole east Side, the Old 623 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: east Side, that was the hub of that community. The 624 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 3: you know, the industry built up around there. Workers bought 625 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: homes in that area. So it has a lot of 626 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 3: loving memories. I know, even my late father in law 627 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 3: used to he would come and tell me whenever when 628 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 3: we used to have the cons there. We used to 629 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 3: have the para cons there. He would come and see me, 630 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 3: and he would come and tell me about when he 631 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 3: was a boy. He would come into the terminal or 632 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 3: when he was going and you know, they would go 633 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 3: and visit somebody or pick somebody up. It was amazing 634 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 3: the stories he had. He's the one that told me 635 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 3: about the military having the USO and the Mezsline mezzanine, 636 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 3: and and they used to have a big buffalo. They 637 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: have a reproduction buffalo there now, but the original buffalo. 638 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: All the soldiers as they were leaving, they would go 639 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 3: and they would rub the foot of the buffalo for 640 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 3: good luck, until it was like there was no hair 641 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 3: left on that buffalo. So, I mean, it's it's such 642 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: an integral part. And the emotions that are left over 643 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 3: there and imprinted in that building are astronomical. And as 644 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 3: you know, if you're a psychic or a medium and 645 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 3: you walk into that place open, you can be overwhelmed. 646 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 3: And that's where a lot of people kind of you know, 647 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 3: especially if you're ascensia, well you're clai Assentia, you know, 648 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. You walk into that place 649 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 3: and it's just like Oh my god. You know it's 650 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 3: like like you know, you get like you open a freezer, 651 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 3: a deep freezer, and you get hit with that cold 652 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 3: and it just kind of pushes your back a little bit. 653 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 3: That's what that type of feeling is in that place. 654 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 3: So yeah, there's so much residual but the but the 655 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 3: intelligence that's that is there, the love that they that 656 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 3: they that people have bestowed that in that building is amazing, 657 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 3: and you know, the sorrow uh sometimes within that building 658 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: is amazing. So heightened emotions really have imprinted there and people, 659 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 3: you know, they they've seen it over the years here, 660 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 3: you know, as as as just this spooky, hulking, hulking, 661 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 3: you know building. And this year last year actually was 662 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: the first year they're really putting the putting a push 663 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 3: into using the building and using you know, having it 664 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 3: as an event area. So hopefully they're going to open 665 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 3: it up. We hope for limited at least limited paranormal investigations. 666 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: That would be great because the place is simply beautiful, uh, 667 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 3: mind blowing and amazing. 668 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I mean, I see I like too. 669 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes when they cut off the investigations, I always wonder 670 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: if the spirits get a little upset because they get 671 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: so used to being communicated with regularly and then suddenly 672 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: that goes away. So I think it'd be nice to 673 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: get back in there for sure. But tell me now 674 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: that how do people find you? What are you up to? 675 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: What projects are you working on? Let's give a little 676 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: shout out, Oh my god. 677 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 3: You can find out more about me at www dot 678 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 3: Timothytshaw dot com. That's my website, and find me on Facebook. 679 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 3: And right now I'm doing what I consider locally the 680 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 3: Cabin Fever lecture series, which I'm doing one class or 681 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 3: talk per month at Dragonfly Art and Soul in Williamsville, 682 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 3: New York. And my very first one, I believe, is 683 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 3: on January eighteenth, and I will be talking about Victorian 684 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 3: morning rituals and memory more. And I'm going to bring 685 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 3: some of my collection because I collect all sorts of 686 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 3: as you know, as I'm sure as you've heard, I 687 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: collect all sorts of crazy stuff. I think Zaffis and 688 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 3: I are, like you know, we are Siamese twins, except 689 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 3: that we were separated at birth. Luckily all the although 690 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 3: we are stuck in the same airports a lot. 691 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: But I've been in the room with you too before, 692 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: so I get it. 693 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of it's kind of strange, 694 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 3: but we're gonna be I'm gonna be doing that, and 695 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 3: then I'll be in Toledo, uh in April, Mansfield and May, 696 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 3: I'll be doing something in Virginia and June, and of 697 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 3: course i'll be up at the Michigan Parra Con in August. 698 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: You know, so this is it's always gonna be fun. 699 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, it was lovely having you. I really 700 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time, and hopefully we will meet 701 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: up again before August, but otherwise I will. 702 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 3: See you then, we will see you, and thank you 703 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 3: for inviting me on the show. 704 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: Railroad stations are almost by definition, liminal spaces, regions you 705 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: pass through on your way somewhere else. So it's for 706 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: ghosts to linger in rail terminals, staying put for decades 707 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: or more rather than move on. But if there is 708 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: a train depot that seems appropriate for a haunting, it's 709 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Central Terminal, which spent more of its existence 710 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: sitting in empty stillness and decline than it ever did 711 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: as a bustling transportation hub, while it barely ever served 712 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: as the Railway Corps. It was meant to be, it 713 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: has instead become something that the world might need just 714 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: as much, a home to restless spirits. I'm Amy Bruney 715 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and 716 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: written by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra 717 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: day Alba. 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