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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, March twentieth in it was

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Speaker 1: an afternoon and evening and overnight A number of developments

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Speaker 1: and the fallout after the canceling of The Bachelorette and

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Speaker 1: the cover yone ass is well underway and might just

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Speaker 1: be getting starting with that. Welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ rohopes. Certainly a number of developments to

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Speaker 1: get to it, I'm not even sure where to start,

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Speaker 1: but the news is everywhere now. The Bachelorette was canceled

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Speaker 1: for this season. We got new statements overnight. We heard

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Speaker 1: from her ex, we heard from Taylor Frankie Paul, we

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Speaker 1: heard from Disney, and we heard some pretty damning stuff

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Speaker 1: from an NBC News report about a meeting in which

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Speaker 1: an executive was warned that there were videos out there.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot where you want to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look the timeline.

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Speaker 3: I was actually trying to piece it all together how

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Speaker 3: this unfolded, because it's a lot of finger pointing as

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Speaker 3: we were expecting, a lot of statements flying, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of who knew what, when and why? And how

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Speaker 3: did we get to yesterday? That is the big question. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this investigation actually was February twenty fourth and twenty fifth.

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Speaker 3: That's what kind of started this whole thing, this domestic

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Speaker 3: violence investigation. Correct, So that created all of the snowball

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Speaker 3: effect of now where we are, So we're now hearing

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Speaker 3: about this. March seventh, Zoom with the cast with NBC executives.

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Speaker 3: Why woke up this morning? You pointed this out to me, Babe?

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Speaker 3: You got to read what NBC is reporting.

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Speaker 1: And again, if somebody is going to have to take

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Speaker 1: the fall for this, somebody is going to get blamed.

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody got fired. This

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Speaker 1: is too much money, this is too much of an investment,

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Speaker 1: and this is too much of a high profile, high

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Speaker 1: stake situation that somebody is not going to ask the

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Speaker 1: question why didn't we know about this? How could you

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Speaker 1: let this happen? And that appears Robes to please explain

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Speaker 1: to people who Rob Mills is over at Disney and

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Speaker 1: why Now this is a pretty robe. This is damning

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Speaker 1: and this was the one and some of this he's

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Speaker 1: going to have to answer for.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: So Rob Mills is the executive vice president of Unscripted

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Speaker 3: and Alternative Alternative Entertainment at Disney. So he is the

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Speaker 3: big guy, and yes, that's reality TV basically falls under

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Speaker 3: his domain, so to speak. And so apparently he got

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Speaker 3: on a zoom with the cast members of the Secret

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Speaker 3: Lives of Mormon Wives to reassure them that they care

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Speaker 3: about their safety, because the women were expressing concern about

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Speaker 3: the what they call dangerous behavior of their friend Taylor

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Speaker 1: And it was in that call. Again NBC News has reviewed.

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Speaker 1: They did get the audio of this zoom call. In

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Speaker 1: this zoom call to him of the.

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Speaker 2: Date, again, it was on March seventh, Okay.

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Speaker 1: March seventh. The show is supposed to premiere on March

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Speaker 1: twenty second. So on March seventh, a Disney exec was

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Speaker 1: in a meeting in which he was told not just

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Speaker 1: about violent behavior but the existence of videos. His responses, Robes,

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Speaker 1: as reported by NBC News, are should we be surprised,

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Speaker 1: but to see it given all that's happening now, Robes,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be problematic for him.

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Speaker 2: This is damning for him.

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Speaker 3: And these are quotes again from NBC who reviewed the

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Speaker 3: zoom call. So again you've got the members of the

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Speaker 3: video recordings that are out there.

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Speaker 2: They specifically reference that, and so Rob Mill.

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Speaker 3: Says, I don't know a lot, nor do I want

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Speaker 3: to know too much. This is not putting my head

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Speaker 3: in the sand, but it's not me, you know, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to inquire because I don't know what that does.

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Speaker 3: Apparently the cast members doubled down and said do you

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Speaker 3: know that? Or they asked Mills if he was aware

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Speaker 3: that she's hurt a child, and he said, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think for us getting.

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Speaker 3: Into it is right, and then he added the company

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Speaker 3: is never going to hide anything that is wrong for

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a problem. Somebody's going to

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Speaker 1: have to answer. He's going to have to answer that.

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Speaker 1: Disney's going to have to answer that, what did you

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Speaker 1: know when? And did you really put your head in

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Speaker 1: the sand his words? For the sake of this show?

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Speaker 1: Did he not know because he didn't want to know?

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Speaker 1: Is being presented to you. That's what it comes off

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Speaker 1: as we want to save room, leave room here for

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Speaker 1: context that's missing. We didn't see the whole video. What

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Speaker 1: the quotes that they put out ropes. That sounds like

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Speaker 1: willful ignorance. To some degree, it sounds like, oh, I

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Speaker 3: I want plausible deniability later plausible deniability. That is exactly

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Speaker 3: what that sounds like. But when you hear him say it,

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Speaker 3: it's seems very deliberate. I want to be able to

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Speaker 3: deny this, so don't tell me anymore.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to know what I don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: How is that okay? When you're putting up a show

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Speaker 2: like The Bachelorette.

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Speaker 1: The blame game is barely barely just getting started. Obviously

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Speaker 1: they knew about her previous conviction guilty plea, I should

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Speaker 1: say they knew about that. How much they knew about

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Speaker 1: the video? I don't know. We all said, robes. How

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Speaker 1: Surely they knew it was floating around out there somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is, how in the how could

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Speaker 3: They referenced that the production company overseeing secret lives of

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Speaker 3: Mormon wives had a private investigation.

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Speaker 2: Will you imagine that? We talked about how that had

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Speaker 3: The case where they hired a private law firm to

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Speaker 3: investigate these back and forth allegations being made by Taylor,

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Speaker 3: Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortenson. When they knew a police

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Speaker 3: there was an open, active police investigation from incidents in February,

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Speaker 3: doing that. And then if you actually just look at

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Speaker 3: mentioned that there is a video of the incident.

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Speaker 2: So the knowledge of a video was there.

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Speaker 1: So they were aware, okay, and they decided to go

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Speaker 1: forward with her knowing about the guilty plea. Okay, if Disney,

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Speaker 1: If they would have come out and said, yep, we

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Speaker 1: see the video and we're moving forward. How we go Okay,

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Speaker 1: I ain't mad at them. I actually would have said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you knew about it. The video changes nothing. We knew

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Speaker 1: How long was it a matter of an hour or so?

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Speaker 1: More than an hour got public it.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this earlier in the week when the

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Speaker 3: Mormon Wives was on pause. Cinnabon says, yeah, we're out.

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Speaker 3: So we were wondering, what are they going to do?

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Speaker 2: What do they do?

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Speaker 3: They rolled Taylor, Frankie Paul out on her pres events,

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Speaker 3: Tatter talked to news outlets, Hatter sit down and do

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Speaker 3: to see how people react. They're going to look at

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Speaker 3: the reaction and make decisions based on public sentiment, not

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Speaker 3: on what is right or wrong, or what is best

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Speaker 2: For the network, or the right thing to do. It

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Speaker 2: was all going to be based on public opinion. And

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Speaker 2: that is what we saw.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I don't know if it's a business. I

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Speaker 1: won't get into the Disney in the back and forth

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Speaker 1: regard to the decision that was made. I was just thinking,

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Speaker 1: then what if the show had launched and then the

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Speaker 2: Well, that would have been so interesting. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They probably would have pulled it in the middle of

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Speaker 1: They'd have had to, and Disney would have That would

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Speaker 1: But how bad does it look that you all knew

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Speaker 1: this and we're still willing to go forward with Is

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Speaker 1: that a bad look at all? They are going to

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Speaker 1: it was represented to us as something different. They're going

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Speaker 1: to have to do that. Ah. Yes, ros we have

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Speaker 1: actually predicted this story almost one hundred percent accurately every

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Speaker 2: We have, and it's been recorded.

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Speaker 1: Does not mean to be arrogant about it. But do

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Speaker 1: you see these It's not even tea leaves like it's

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Speaker 3: It is been there, done that absolutely and also not shocking?

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Speaker 3: Were Taylor, Frankie Paul Stevens. She had one statement when

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Speaker 1: Is not shocking, No second one shocked me.

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Speaker 3: So the second one she doubled down shocked me. But

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Speaker 3: it's all about blaming someone else. Isn't that what we

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Speaker 2: It's just no one, almost no one. There are a

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Speaker 3: And so her initial statement, yes, blame Dakota, Blame Dakota,

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Speaker 2: This is before ABC canceled the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 3: Then once ABC canceled the Bachelorette, we got a whole

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Speaker 2: So here's what they said.

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Speaker 3: Taylor is very grateful for ABC support as she prioritizes

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Speaker 3: her family's safety and security. After years of silently suffering

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Speaker 3: extensive mental and physical abuse, as well as threats of retaliation,

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Speaker 3: Taylor is finally gaining the strength to face her accuser

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Speaker 3: many women who are suffering in silence as they survive aggressive,

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Speaker 3: with their lives. Taylor has remained silent out of fear

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Speaker 1: I have right, this is a direct She is directly

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Speaker 1: accusing Dakota Mortensen of physical abuse of her. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So what was the thing lost? The line in

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Speaker 1: there survived.

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Speaker 2: Aggressive aggressive jealous ex partners.

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Speaker 1: Survive aggressive jealous Okay, babe. So we are now put

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Speaker 1: in a position that we don't have a choice but

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Speaker 1: just said that she is a victim of domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: The conversation stops because isn't that what happens? This is

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Speaker 1: haven't hasn't she short of that video? But she is

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Speaker 2: At this time, okay, stand by. Who knows?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. They did give themselves room.

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Speaker 3: I am unfortunately used to these baseless claims about me

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Speaker 1: That's how you write a statement. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: That episode completely discredits what was supposed to be the

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Speaker 3: And any man who came in on that show in

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Speaker 1: And we are standing by. We'll make another prediction. Those

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Speaker 2: Right now, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: You said that almost immediately, and I guarante just wait

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