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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson. And it is a chilly Monday.

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Speaker 1: I hear Tuesday is going to be crazy cool, can't we? So?

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Speaker 3: As I was walking into our our studio here today

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Speaker 3: and we're we're here in Bridgeville, up on the hill,

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Speaker 3: on the hill, up the hill, I couldn't help but

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Speaker 3: think they built the parking lot for this brand new

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or backdoor for that matter.

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Speaker 3: I mean the wind is always blowing up here on

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Speaker 3: Mount Olympus, as I like to call it, at about

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Speaker 3: one hundred miles an hour year round. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: what time of the year you come in this building.

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Speaker 3: It is why in the hell if you built a

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Speaker 3: brand new building, would you put the entrances away from

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Speaker 3: the parking lot as as opposed to just putting it perhaps.

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Speaker 1: Some sort of entrance at least close to the lost

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Speaker 1: It's not right.

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Speaker 3: The only thing you seem from the highway as you're

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Speaker 3: driving by this building is the sign on the front

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Speaker 3: of it. You can't see the front of the building.

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Speaker 1: I would say the front of the building is really

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Speaker 3: The front of the building is kind of meaningless.

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Speaker 1: It just looks at the road and the shops across

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Speaker 3: Just a little thoughtfulness would have gone a long way.

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Speaker 1: I never would have thought that way. I don't design

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Speaker 1: buildings or think that way ever. And you mentioned it

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Speaker 1: to me before we went on the air, and I'm like, oh, tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like one hundred yard walk right whichever way

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Speaker 3: you go in the wind, it's constant up here.

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Speaker 1: Just don't if you get a kick out of this too.

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Speaker 1: But man, the Akron Athletic Facility was three times that

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Speaker 1: length and Cole times a thousand. Yeah, I thought they'd

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Speaker 1: be the same. And every every walk I'd basically like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, why do we do it here? And

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Speaker 1: you had to walk all the way around the building

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Speaker 3: I have to like every time I pull into the

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Speaker 3: to like, Okay, I gotta get ready for this, because

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Speaker 1: The wind is blowing right in your face face.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, this is gonna be bad.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels good, like in the summer, summer, rushing

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Speaker 1: bugs and right, seems like many minutes ago, Yes, you can.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't even have to do any running or he

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Speaker 3: just let the line out and it would take off.

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Speaker 1: And it's not even that high of a mountain or

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Speaker 1: always chilly though, yeah, yeah, yeah, so there.

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Speaker 3: Was this way. We're high enough that you can actually

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Speaker 1: I'm cold thinking about getting out of the car tomorrow. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: got my hot coffee here. Warmed up though, Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Brutal though, brutal, some brutal losses.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's some people actually working that stuff all day,

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Speaker 3: I that's why for the mate. Yeah, some good football

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Speaker 3: games yesterday, and we have now known that the finalists

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Speaker 3: in the NFC. I tweeted this out yesterday, Matt before

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Speaker 3: the before the Ravens played Buffalo. Had the Ravens, who

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Speaker 3: were favored in that game one, the Steelers would have

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Speaker 3: would have played this season all four finalists. Oh wow,

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Speaker 3: Yeah came in the final yea, it came down to

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Speaker 1: I would say people seem to overlook that Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: No, no, but they played all They would have played

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Speaker 3: all four of the finalists, three of them in that

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Speaker 3: oh that didn't know who cares? You know, who cares

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Speaker 3: who you played. You just got to go out and

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Speaker 1: And the other one you beat, Yeah, Washington.

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Speaker 3: Right, Washington, Washington, you beat Baltimore. So you were you

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Speaker 1: I guess you were too. Bit have been two and two,

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Speaker 3: You were two and three against those including playoffs, right,

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Speaker 3: and no, just regular season, you were two and three

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Speaker 3: against those those particular teams had they been the four finalists.

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Speaker 3: But you played three of them in eleven days, and

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Speaker 3: nobody wants to take that into any kind of consideration. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you played three really good teams in eleven days.

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Speaker 1: Wretch, pretty ridiculous stretch. And the fact that the ring

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Speaker 1: with them on the road, it doesn't attract at all

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Speaker 1: that the Ravens didn't get it done yesterday. It's no

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Speaker 1: a ridiculous stretch.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And again it's not that's it's not an excuse.

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Speaker 3: These are facts. When I tweeted that out, people people are, oh,

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Speaker 3: you're using as an excuse or you know that. No, Look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to excuse anything. I'm just pointing out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is the reason that they are going bad. This

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Speaker 1: is just what happened.

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Speaker 3: This is a fact.

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Speaker 1: If they played three games they played, they would have played.

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Speaker 3: Three of the finalists, three of the final four in

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Speaker 1: Pretty nast kind of a big deal, kind of a

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Speaker 3: But anyways, so, uh, you look at what happened in

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Speaker 3: these games. First of all, the people out there who

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Speaker 3: need to go hire Ben Johnson as their head coach.

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Speaker 3: How you feel about Ben Johnson after what happened in

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Speaker 3: didn't looks so smart when he has Jamison Williams throwing

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Speaker 3: gave up forty five points.

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Speaker 1: Defensive coordinator. I wonder. I hope not for his sake, Glenn.

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Speaker 1: I do think Kingsbury did a masterful job. I mean,

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Speaker 1: also couldn't help but think unlike the chiefs who aren't

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Speaker 1: how many they are on every list they talked to,

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Speaker 1: like every team. That's so time consuming and this is

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Speaker 1: such a different subject, but the whole coaching process in

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Speaker 1: hiring is so messed up in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I agree, And they they slowed it down. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: from previous years where those guys wouldn't have even gotten

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Speaker 1: Right, you have to wait and wait, wait.

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Speaker 3: Now you got to kind of wait on those guys

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Speaker 1: I mean when you should be because then all these

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Speaker 1: don't even know what scheme you're running, and I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of problems too. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: happened to mention my time at Akron. When we got

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Speaker 3: Offer everybody right, right.

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Speaker 1: You had to put something together.

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Speaker 3: So some interesting. So if you look at the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always standing. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury, by the way, looks a hell of a

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Speaker 3: lot smarter with Jaden Daniels, who is really good.

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Speaker 1: It's really really good. And I heard some things today

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't listen to Kingsbury's postgame interviews or whatever.

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Speaker 3: He's still by Arizona.

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Speaker 1: He's still get paid by Arizona. He gets the coach,

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was interesting. He played. He and

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady were played together.

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Speaker 3: I think yeah, And he said at one point during

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Speaker 1: And coach up the quarterback and yeah, and he's really

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Speaker 1: no shame in it. Stay there. Yeah, that's a great,

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Speaker 3: But just you know some of the stuff that because

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Speaker 3: should have hired a young guy like Cliff Kingsbury. Again,

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith's younger than Cliff Kingberry, like three years. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, Kingsbury's not a young guy, but I do

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Speaker 1: With a great job.

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Speaker 3: If you give me a player like that, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: could design the offense jade and go back, take your

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Speaker 1: That's especially what Daniels did, like that first month of

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Speaker 1: the season. His anytime he was quote pressured, he ran. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's clearly how they coached him. And as

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Speaker 1: the season went on, he did more and more and

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Speaker 1: more and went through his progressions and you know they

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Speaker 1: kind of like Russell Wilson's rookie year. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: given him more and more and more. So Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean Arthur Smith, I think is a fine hire, but

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Speaker 1: he'd look better with jayde and Daniels, anybody, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't care who the offensive. You think that the Lions

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Speaker 3: any team out there would love to have this kid

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Speaker 1: I was asked this morning, you know, like, if the

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at every playoff game that

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Speaker 3: They have the lesser quarterback the rest, and clearly who

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Speaker 1: Clearly number four. Yeah, and I don't think he's the

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Speaker 3: You are allowed to throw the ball away.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at the box score today. It's kind

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Speaker 1: He didn't play well. You can blame both coordinators. They

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Speaker 1: Yeh. So the logic behind going forward in those situations

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Speaker 1: Can't be confident your defense is gonna sort of guys

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Speaker 1: down all day, all day. And that's probably true in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Troy too, but still right.

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Speaker 3: But you know, at the same time, your defense and

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Speaker 3: for Washington had just held them to a field goal,

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Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay.

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Speaker 1: We're hanging around.

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Speaker 3: We're hanging around with these guys. We're gonna score more points.

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Speaker 3: I know their defense stinks, Like we're gonna score We're

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Speaker 3: gonna have more opportunities to score here. Let's let's play

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Speaker 3: it out.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if some of the non team based

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Speaker 1: analytic folks do I mean, as they always do in

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Speaker 1: the offseason, do they revisit that and come to the

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Speaker 1: conclusion it's not as full proof as you think, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I could definitely see that.

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Speaker 3: The ones that I really have a problem with are like,

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Speaker 3: you're inside, you're on one side of the forty or

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Speaker 3: the other side of the forty, somewhere in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the field.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to go for it.

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Speaker 3: Remember Tomlin got skewered for that in Cleveland. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: when they didn't get it. They didn't get it because

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Speaker 3: you didn't get it on Monday. If you got it,

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Speaker 3: be like, oh, well, what gts you move? That's the

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Speaker 3: right way to play that, right, You can't have it

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Speaker 3: both ways.

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Speaker 1: Again both ways, because you're there's gonna be times you

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Speaker 1: don't get it and it's gonna be it'sation.

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Speaker 3: And you're giving the ball back to somebody with with

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Speaker 3: great field position. Sometimes it's better to kick, yeah, whether

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Speaker 3: it be a punt or a or a field goal.

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Speaker 1: And the difference too, is there was no weather for

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Speaker 1: kicking in Detroit as opposed to Buffalo too.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, well that was the other things. Well,

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Speaker 3: he's on his fifth kicker this year, fourth kicker. I'm

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Speaker 3: like they attempted as many field goals as the Steelers

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Speaker 3: did this year, right right, right, Like, don't give me that.

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Speaker 1: It ticks like crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they trust their kicker and you're indoors and you're indoors.

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Speaker 3: It would have been like nowadays, makes like a forty

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Speaker 3: five year old field goal. Take the field goal.

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Speaker 1: That's different than kicking in Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Sunday night anyways, yeah, side note whatever. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back

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Speaker 3: with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio, and.

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Speaker 3: We are back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt that we were talking about. The

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks yeah, yeah, still available.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a trend and good quarterbacks go far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And mobile quarterbacks, yes, are part of that equation

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Speaker 3: at the same time. And I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: people say, well, that means you take you bring back

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Speaker 3: justin fields and and I get that line of thinking.

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Speaker 3: I get that line of thinking.

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Speaker 1: I still have made my mind up of what I

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Speaker 1: would do. But then I.

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Speaker 3: Look and I start looking at this and go, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if that's the course that you're going to take, you

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Speaker 3: geta you gotta change your offense. Yeah, philosophically how you

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Speaker 3: do things. And I understand he went for and two

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Speaker 3: in the first six games and everything was, you know,

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Speaker 3: great and Kumbaya and all that stuff. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think that you. I think they found some things out

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Speaker 3: in that stretch, like there were some issues with center exchanges.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of procedural stuff with this guy that

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Speaker 1: bothers me that you would hope would be corrected by now.

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Speaker 1: But there's all that evidence that it is that worries me.

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Speaker 3: But what's what is his ceiling? Is it Jalen Hurts?

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Speaker 3: Is it Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that any of us have that answer.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that you're right.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to find out. There's a couple of things

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Speaker 1: I see. If you were to go the Hurts a route,

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Speaker 1: it'd be cheap.

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Speaker 3: Fields out be cheaper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'd be cheaper, so you could have

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Speaker 1: one more receiver or well.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing about right in his career, Justin Fields

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Speaker 3: has played twelve games, fifteen games, thirteen games, and this

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Speaker 3: year ten games, although he had to miss three games

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Speaker 3: because of an injury. It wasn't just the So if

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Speaker 3: I'm going to move ahead with Justin Fields as my quarterback,

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Speaker 3: I better have a damn good backup in place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that maybe that's a second round rookie, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least a plan. You know that this guy.

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Speaker 3: I think is beyond the second round rookie. I think

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Speaker 3: you better have somebody else, perhaps, right as well, I

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Speaker 3: can run the same thing. Yeah, So again I might

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Speaker 3: lean towards my answer not the Steelers would be give

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Speaker 3: him ten million or whatever going rate and.

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Speaker 1: See how it goes. There's not a lot of great

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Speaker 1: options out there right now, obviously, but remember when he

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Speaker 1: was inserted into the game first action as a Pittsburgh Steeler,

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Speaker 1: he was really the backup, and I think there was

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Speaker 1: a governor put on him too. Yeah, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he's gonna if I'm gonna or him and anoint him

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Speaker 1: the starter, you got to unleash the whole thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: I know that'll be more turnovers, it might be more sacks,

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Speaker 1: but I pedal to the medal. I'm gonna run you

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Speaker 1: a lot more.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, and I know this. I know

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Speaker 3: this for effect because he said it, and he told

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Speaker 3: me this. There were games in that stretch when he

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Speaker 3: was starting that he didn't run as much because he

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Speaker 3: was dealing with a knee injury.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. And that's gonna be always.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be something.

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Speaker 1: That's a thing kind of Anthony Richardson. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I need you to run more, but not if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get hurt all the time. And it's a catch

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Speaker 1: twenty two. So yeah, there's that. But I also think

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Speaker 1: a huge and I think you have to do change

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Speaker 1: the offense a little bit. And this is the run

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Speaker 1: every play. I mean, you're play in a single wing here.

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Speaker 3: I want to be a better running back, though, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be better running back, and I do think a

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Speaker 1: ripple effect if I make fields my starter. And a

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Speaker 1: huge thing I'm gonna stress all off season is we

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Speaker 1: know you're going to be a running team. You can't

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Speaker 1: average four point zero yards per carry for the season. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think gonna be at six where Barkley and

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Speaker 1: those guys are at. But if you could get the

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Speaker 1: four three four four as often as you run the football,

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Speaker 1: that'll have massive ramifications. And I think he takes a

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Speaker 1: big step in the direction just being your quarterback of

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Speaker 1: getting you there, let alone the other ball carriers and

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Speaker 1: all those type of things. Right, And that's one of

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Speaker 1: the benefits of it. But Holmo, do you think up

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Speaker 1: better be similar? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: There was a there was a bit of a governor

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Speaker 3: put on him because.

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Speaker 1: Well, if he gets hurt, you go to Allen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now you're going to the third string quarterback. We

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Speaker 3: can't have that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're trying to win games running the ball

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Speaker 1: and playing defense. I don't need huge plays.

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Speaker 3: Out of you, you know, right, but you know again

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Speaker 3: to So let's say, let's say his contract is fifteen

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Speaker 3: million per year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds rich, but fine, whatever it is, that's.

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Speaker 3: What you get. You know, you got to give whatever

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Speaker 3: it is, whatever it is. Now, I also have to

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Speaker 3: pay a backup, Right, who's gonna be six or seven million?

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Speaker 3: Probably not gonna be. It's not gonna be. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: not gonna be Kyle Allen.

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Speaker 1: No. And I don't think even bring Alan back, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I did like your trade lance suggestion,

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Speaker 1: but that's you can't put a whole lot of eggs

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Speaker 1: in that bass.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go down that road, but I

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Speaker 3: would moth those camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know not to say you're my backup

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Speaker 1: in case things are wrong. I gotta live with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe he hit lightning in a bottle, but I mean

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Speaker 1: he can come to camp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So now I'm spending almost as much money on

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Speaker 3: the quarterback position as I was spending with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: I think your numbers are high, though, like I think

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Speaker 1: you get Field.

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Speaker 3: I think the numbers that are out there right now

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Speaker 3: for Wilson might be high still people like Dan Graziano

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Speaker 3: at a piece today or over the weekend on sports

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Speaker 3: illustrat or on the ESPN, I should say saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Steeler's gonna have to bring Russell Wilson back for

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Speaker 3: the Baker Mayfield contract, and maybe a little bit more

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Speaker 3: than that.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what Baker makes, but.

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Speaker 3: It was three years, one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, million dollars, yea, Yeah, I know the transition tags

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Speaker 1: like thirty four or thirty five. I've earned that thrown around,

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Speaker 1: which is steep. But it's a one year, easy deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm you're easily out of it. I was thinking Fields

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Speaker 1: would be like two years, twenty five total with some

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Speaker 1: incentives maybe blah blah blah, you know, some sweeteners in there.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that. The other thing is, I

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Speaker 1: don't know who that backup would even be, right.

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Speaker 3: That's the who's the other side of the equation.

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Speaker 1: Like Lance is a lovely conversation, but I'm not giving

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Speaker 1: him six million and trusting him.

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Speaker 3: As my two, right No, And I gotta have a

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Speaker 3: good two in place, because again, I mean, maybe it's Millrow.

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Speaker 3: I like Fields, but right am, I gonna try he's

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Speaker 3: gonna make all seventeen starts for me because he he

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Speaker 3: hasn't done that yet.

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Speaker 1: Right right, No, I hear it. It's a conundrum, to

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Speaker 1: say the least, because there's negatives to the Wilson side too,

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Speaker 1: without question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we went through the list of guys available Darnold.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's not going to be the backup Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 3: Trey Lance, Jacoby Brissette, Taylor Heineken, Marcus Mario To, Drew Locke,

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Speaker 3: Jared Stidham, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Jamis Winston, mac Jones,

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Speaker 3: Carson Wentz, Garoppolo, case him, Mason Rudolph, like.

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Speaker 1: Like, the only one that even fits stylistically is Mariota,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's really bad. But that's what Washington

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Speaker 1: did with their guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can make it r well Josh Dobbs,

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Speaker 3: Yeah kind of, but not really.

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Speaker 1: I'm running twelve times a game and breaking tackles. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean most of those guys are, which is why

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Speaker 1: they're on the market. They're non athlete.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to go down to the Tyler Huntley

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Speaker 3: Road with you know, not really?

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Speaker 1: No, right, right?

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Speaker 3: So this is the conundrum that the Steelers face right now,

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Speaker 3: do you go down that road and you got to

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Speaker 3: see Justin Fields for six games and you got to

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Speaker 3: work with him all year, And I understand, you know,

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Speaker 3: people were intrigued by the upside. I'm intrigued by the upside. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but there are negatives involved.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's massive negatives involves. Now, there was also the

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Speaker 1: other way of thinking that this organization doesn't But if

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Speaker 1: I was talking about the Bears right now, or the

657
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Speaker 1: Jags or some team that is not knocking on the

658
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: door of Super Bowl, Okay, he's really bad or gets

659
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: injured all year, maybe you win seven games or six

660
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: games and you get your guy, then you know, or

661
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: you're in striking distance to get your guy, and the

662
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: big picture of the Pittsburgh Steelers, that might not be

663
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Same could be true for Russell Wilson too,

664
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he could get hurt or be

665
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: bad or whatever too. Like, no matter what, you're not

666
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: bringing in a superstar that's gonna guarantee you twelve wins,

667
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: no matter what.

668
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: The other thing that you need to do in that

669
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: locker room is then look guys like Cam Hayward, TJ.

670
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Watt in the eye and say we're gonna we're gonna

671
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: roll the dice this year and see what happens.

672
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Right, you know there's that part of it too, while

673
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: they get a year older and maybe a year worse. Yeah, right,

674
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: But that's the nature of the business, you know. I mean,

675
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: Bradshawn benn A walking through the door.

676
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: They're not you know either.

677
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: They quote the Larry Bird thing. You know. I don't

678
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: know what the answer is is, but I do think

679
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: that's a good point about Fields. You can't just say

680
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: him and thom Skyler Thompson or your two quarterbacks you

681
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: know you just signed or whatever, of course, not or

682
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: him and Allen or I mean that ain't gonna fly.

683
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have to you know, Teddy Bridgewater or

684
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: you know one of these guys.

685
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: That right, and he doesn't. You can't run the same

686
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: offense with him, you know. I mean, maybe he's a

687
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: mentor and there's value Kobe, right. I like those players.

688
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: I like Brissett, but he couldn't do the same thing.

689
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. I see both sides of

690
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Wilson and Fields. I even see the side of bringing

691
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: them both back if the money's right. See what happens,

692
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe one of the two lights up or more than

693
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: I've been leaning more towards fields. That's definitely not my

694
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: final answer. But the biggest reason is just that gets

695
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: me two more starters. Then I don't know that it

696
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: does though, definitely gets you one. I mean it's gonna

697
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: be less. I don't think his backup is gonna be

698
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: super expense. I don't know who that guy is though.

699
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: But it's you know, you're still in one way or

700
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: the other, So you're gonna spend let's say it is

701
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: twelve million dollars, Well, you're probably gonna end up spending seven.

702
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: On a side of twenty in the quarterback room.

703
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, is twenty that different from thirty.

704
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Thirty two starters or one good starter? You know, it's

705
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: a corner I.

706
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Can adjust my and I don't know.

707
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: People want to have a lot of flexibility with cap

708
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: stuff too.

709
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: I get that. But as good as good is what

710
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean. But is it going to be as good?

711
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know that for sure.

712
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: Right Priority number one is getting the quarterback situation as

713
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: right as possible, not the dollars. Yeah, because they have

714
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: flexibility to do other things if they believe I'm not

715
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: saying they do. If they believe Wilson is their best

716
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: option and he's thirty five, give it to him. You know.

717
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: All the matters is getting the quarterback position as right

718
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah, and then you can move contracts around

719
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: to get the corners. But if it's a tie towards

720
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: not spending as much and building the nest maybe for.

721
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: The next guy, well I think that's that. Also, whatever

722
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: you do at quarterback I think has a trickle down

723
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: effect into what you do in the draft.

724
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, as trickle effect your next free agent spending too.

725
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: You know I do you know this better than me.

726
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: But would you bet one of the two guys currently

727
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: on the roster is under contract before free agency opens? Yes?

728
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: I would tend to think so too. And if they aren't,

729
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: that makes me think that they're gonna roll the dice

730
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: at a darnold. I don't know what other option there

731
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: or you're gonna let those Hey, we here can't come

732
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: to number with.

733
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: We got two offers on the table here, one for you,

734
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: one for him.

735
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: And if you want to spend twenty four hours or

736
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: forty eight hours.

737
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: You want to see what else is out there, have

738
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: at it and if something's better than that, come back

739
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: to us and we'll see if we can match it

740
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: or better it.

741
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean we don't like you, but yeah, yeah,

742
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: it's a gentleman's agreement. We both earned that. Maybe that's

743
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: in the cards too, But if they don't have either

744
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: one locked up at free agency, the plan must be

745
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: to go outside the organization, and the only way Darnold's

746
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: the only one that could see making any.

747
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: Sense unless you think there's a trade available that's right.

748
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Right, something like that too that we don't know about.

749
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's Aaron Rodgers, no, you know,

750
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know whether names are out there.

751
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: But I think if it's if you decide to go

752
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: with Wilson, well, I think getting a running back becomes

753
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: a bigger priority in the draft m h early. If

754
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: it's Fields, I think you can afford to. You're going

755
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: to continue to build the nest, sure a little bit

756
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: more because the urgency to win isn't quite there as

757
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: much as it is right now.

758
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: Right, No, I tend to agree with that, And I

759
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: mean if just because of the age, right, I mean,

760
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Wilson's age. Okay, we're gonna try to get a year

761
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: out of him where we can run the football, be

762
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: better on defense, and compete, you know, and therefore we

763
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: need a better ball carrier. Yeah, you know where Fields

764
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: is a better ball carrier.

765
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least gives you some kind of chipping in

766
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: in that area, more so than than Wilson does.

767
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: Right, but what if Warren gets hurt? Right? Oh no, No,

768
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: I can't have the quarter roll Patterson's of the world

769
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: or Benny Snell's of the world, you know, getting the

770
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: ball twenty times.

771
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is a good running back draft. But

772
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, again, if I get to this twenty first

773
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: pick and the best guy available is are running back,

774
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to not take him because you know,

775
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: if I have.

776
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: Them, I understand it. Yeah. Now, I don't think this

777
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: team is to the point where the Ravens, Packers, but

778
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: especially Eagles were last year, where you say give me

779
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: ten million area, go give me Henry or Barkley. Is

780
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: the cherry on top, Yeah, I mean, because usually I'm

781
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: ann build the foundation, build the Sunday cherry on tops

782
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: the running back. But you're around the ball a lot.

783
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: And if it's kind of an important thing, if one

784
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: of the big priorities is similar to mine. That four

785
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: point zero per Carriyon could have cut it. Guy's tote

786
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: in the rock need to be better too. Yeah, improvement.

787
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 3: I think the other thing that you look at outside

788
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: of Kansas City and Kansas City is its own kind

789
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 3: of entity hanging out there. If you look at the finalists,

790
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: there's at least one explosive runner on those rosters.

791
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Not to mention Baltimore and Detroit that got eliminated explosive runners,

792
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: they both have two. Yeah, and Gibbs is an explosive,

793
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: explosive dude.

794
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: I couldn't understand why they didn't give him the ball more.

795
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they probably regret that too. I actually would

796
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: have leaned on Henry more than the Ravens did too.

797
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: And I don't think Lamar had one designed carry in

798
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: that it was not Yeah, yeah, I mean they didn't

799
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: ask a lot of him either. Yeah.

800
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: He had five carries going into the final.

801
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: Possession against six total.

802
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: He had six on the first series against the Steelers. Yeah,

803
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 3: they didn't play that the same way that they played

804
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: against the Steelers. So anyways, it's just it's part of

805
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: the conundrum that's being figured out. And I don't I

806
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: don't know what what is the correct answer?

807
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: No, I don't know what way they're leaning. I don't

808
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: know exactly which way I would leave, And I don't

809
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: know how you how you fix it at this moment

810
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: or what the path is. But it'll be fun. I'm

811
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: really looking forward to when that shoe drops. Okay, now

812
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: now you know, right now you know which way it's

813
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: gonna go. Is gonna be really exciting. I think you could.

814
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: I think you can win with either guy, but it's

815
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: going to be different fields.

816
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: His floor is definitely lower. Yeah, you might end up

817
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: going next year like he's not a starting quarterback. You know,

818
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: the league might just say he's not a starting quarterback.

819
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: That's a possibility. But the youth and the athleticism is appealing.

820
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: It's definitely appealing. Yeah, it's definitely appealing. But again, are

821
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: you you know, are Steeler fans willing to go through

822
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: a season to your point that if he's if he's

823
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 3: the floor where they win six games?

824
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: I say, and that's not tanky and we're not saying

825
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw it, or then you should trade Cam

826
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: Heyward and trade t J. Watt. That ain't happened, folks,

827
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: and nor should it. But there could be positive ratifications

828
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: to go in six and ten. In a really good

829
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: quarterback draft, you might have them or eleven if.

830
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: That's our But even six and eleven doesn't get you

831
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: into the top ten anymore. Like there's so many bad teams,

832
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: Like I've heard that, you know, there's so many bad

833
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: I've heard that argument, Well, just go out. They need

834
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: to have a season where they go out win five games.

835
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 3: Winning five games only gets you to like eight.

836
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of teams that did win

837
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: five or six games, and.

838
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 3: And they're not in position to draft one of the

839
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 3: quarterbacks early.

840
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: And this is about you've got to be really bad

841
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: to get the borough to get the number one. Yeah,

842
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: and if you're not, if you're not that spot, well

843
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: you gotta be willing to move up.

844
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: And nobody's the teams that are in that spot where

845
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: they won two or three games aren't willing to trade that. See,

846
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't know because they don't have a quarterback.

847
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: I can't comment on next year's quarterback class, but supposedly

848
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: it's much better than this one. I think we can

849
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: all agree that chances are to be better than this

850
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: upcoming one. But if it's similar to the Jayden Daniels,

851
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Drake may one, at least there's some options.

852
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's more than two with seven teams after two,

853
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: because then you got to really pay to get up.

854
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, if there's five potential starters in a draft,

855
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: which isn't crazy, we've seen that before, you're in striking

856
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: distance to go go up and get them. You know,

857
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Minnesota moved up for McCarthy. You know it's possible, it's possible.

858
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: It's just the first pick the draft. No. One wasn't

859
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: the first pick the draft, but better than the first

860
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: pick the draft.

861
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: And I don't think happened well those teams. You know,

862
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: you know, if you wanted to move up from twenty one,

863
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: you can still do that too.

864
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: You could do it this year.

865
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: You could do that this year if there was somebody

866
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: there that you thought was you know that you wanted

867
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: to go up to the top. Let's say ten, yeah, yea, yeah,

868
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: you know that's that's the move that that Kansas City

869
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: and Buffalo both made.

870
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: You could do that this year or next year.

871
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: If you're a playoff team, yeah, this that you know,

872
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with being that and this idea that

873
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: this the Steelers are quote unquote spinning their wheels just

874
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: because they're they're hitting their head on the ceiling here

875
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: a couple of times in these last couple of years,

876
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Welcome to what the the life that

877
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: every other NFL franchise that doesn't have a franchise quarterback

878
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: has been living in forever?

879
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Well, actually, I'm going to fight you on that. Most

880
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: of those teams are yeah, yeah, I mean Sundays aren't

881
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: as enjoyable in Cleveland, in Jacksonville, and you know whatever.

882
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the teams that they not have the stud quarterback,

883
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: they don't make it as interesting as the Steelers do,

884
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: you know.

885
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I just I get it. Everybody

886
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: wants they want to win every year. The Steelers want

887
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: to win every year, right right.

888
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the Steelers are content simply.

889
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: Absolute this misconception all. They're just happy to win, you know,

890
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: to have a continue their streak of winning seasons. You

891
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: will not hear one person in that organization mentioned the

892
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: winning streak. Mike Tomlin has never mentioned I'm just happy

893
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: to have the winning streak. No, they want to win

894
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: playoff games.

895
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I was not at the facility this week, or or

896
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: was I on the plane ride home from Baltimore. But

897
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: I bet no one on that plane was happy about

898
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: the results. Or we got on we're happy.

899
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, despite an erroneous report otherwise that they were quote

900
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 3: unquote relieved after that playoff lost, No, they weren't.

901
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: Do you think T. J. Watt was? Come on, they

902
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: were pissed off right right, They got embarrassed. And that's

903
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: not who they are right now.

904
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: So they're gonna try, They're gonna they're gonna try to

905
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: figure this out. They're gonna try to figure out the

906
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: best plan moving forward. That's what's again, what's going on

907
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: right now. And I'm glad I don't have to make.

908
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: That's a brutalization. Yeah, and there might not be a

909
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: right answer, folks, unfortunately, I mean, and then that becomes

910
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: very obvious this time of year when we talk about

911
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are still alive. Wow, I mean it's daunting.

912
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's really daunting. And the teams that have, okay,

913
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: not great quarterbacks aren't surviving right now, you know, even

914
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

915
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you have a great team around them.

916
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what's crazy and I knew it was kind.

917
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: But there's conversations in Baltimore right now. I mean not that, Hey,

918
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on from Lamar, but.

919
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: We keep banging our head on the sea.

920
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: We get past this, you know, we've hit we've hit

921
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: a hurdle.

922
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: There's you know, Lamar is now three and five in

923
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: the playoffs.

924
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right? Right?

925
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: Is that is that acceptable? I don't think so. And

926
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, nor would I think it would be acceptable

927
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: if the Steelers were three and five.

928
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: No, I think Campbell, the Lions head coaches two and three,

929
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: they're hitting.

930
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: Their head Minnesota zero and two.

931
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: He's had two of the These are coach of the

932
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: Year candidates.

933
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's it's it's not easy.

934
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: We've said that.

935
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: You know, there are only so many playoff wins that

936
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: go around thirteen and unfortunately.

937
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Holmes eats up a lot of them.

938
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: He eats up a lot of them, and Josh Allen's

939
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: starting to eat up some of them too.

940
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: Sure. Absolutely, it's brutal.

941
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is the

942
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the

943
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and now

944
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: will be back with more right after this.

945
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

946
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black.

947
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: And Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

948
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is

949
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. I just want to do just to

950
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: continue on our conversation here from the previous segment. Look, folks,

951
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: we're not saying that Russell Wilson didn't make mistakes down

952
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: the street.

953
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: We weren't defending him even No, I don't think we

954
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: hardly even talked about strengths and weaknesses of Russ. We

955
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: were just sorrying about the field's avenue.

956
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it was it was it perfect? No,

957
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: it was not perfect. And you know, I think we

958
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 3: saw at times some high level quarterback play. I thought

959
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: at times we didn't see some high level quarterback play.

960
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: You know.

961
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 3: Again, that's the that's the conundrum that the Steelers are

962
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: dealing with right now, is which which direction to go?

963
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: And I liked you said. I think it was last

964
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: segment that I don't envy their position to make this

965
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: decision in this particular offseason either. And you and I

966
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: love to put ourselves in their shoes, and we draft

967
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: for them, and I like these free agents and stuff too.

968
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: We'll have our opinions, but we also don't know what

969
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: they were told behind the scenes.

970
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like they have a better idea

971
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: of Okay, this guy we could do this, where we

972
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: could ask him to do that, and we could you know,

973
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: this guy was great with this stuff.

974
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: You know that. And the year of knowledge for both

975
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: those guys goes a long way. It was also a

976
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: new offense and you know, right, so, and there's more.

977
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Obviously this goes out saying they have way more data

978
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: than we do. Obviously than or than any listener. But

979
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: it's a tough one man.

980
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: Also say this, so for the people who want to

981
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: say that Russell Wilson is too old or you know,

982
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: he can't. Are these the same people saying that Sidney

983
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: Crosby is not old? You gotta let's sit again, some

984
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: of the same crossover fans. I know, it's hockey versus

985
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: versus football. Sidney Crosby's older than Russell Wilson.

986
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Is he really? I always think of him as I'm

987
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: so detached from the kid I get. I remember when

988
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: he got drafted, said, and I still call him Sid

989
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: the kid because I'm older than him by a lot.

990
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: That surprises me. I didn't know Sid was that age

991
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. That's what I was thinking too, is Now,

992
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you want to go to Rogers route,

993
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: but I think you could win with Stafford. I mean

994
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the few that could still

995
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl. You know. And age of quarterback

996
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: isn't as big aing.

997
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me. It doesn't like it doesn't at

998
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: other positions. No, certainly not positions where you do have

999
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: to run a lot more.

1000
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: That's right.

1001
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: The Cam Hayward stuff never bothered me because Cam Hayward's

1002
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: his style. His style is not built on him running

1003
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: around to feel like a madman. His style is built

1004
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: on him powering through somebody.

1005
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: Tight ends are sort of that way too. He saw

1006
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: Kelsey blow up, and maybe he's not as good after

1007
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: the catcher as abrupt coming out of his cuts, but

1008
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: he stonots how to get over. And if Wilson's the

1009
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: right answer and you can get the best to play

1010
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: out of him, you can get two good years I

1011
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: would think of. And that also gives you time to

1012
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: get the next one.

1013
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, you know, right, And I you know, one

1014
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: of the things that I would ask myself if I'm

1015
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: in that situation is if we if we you're going

1016
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: to draft a.

1017
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Guy either this year or next year.

1018
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: This year, next year, you're gonna take one, whether it's

1019
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: a second round, a third round pick, or say in

1020
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: the top three round, probably right, who's the best mentor there?

1021
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: Who's the best? Yeah, that's a big that's a big

1022
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: part of the equation as well.

1023
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is. I don't throw draft one high

1024
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: this year or not. I would understand if they didn't. Yeah,

1025
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: but if they don't, almost certainly it's coming. And maybe

1026
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: in round one.

1027
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: And folks, we're not advocating one way or the other.

1028
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: We're just running you through all the scenarios here.

1029
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think it's brainstorming time, you know, like, well,

1030
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: if we go this direction, well, what else does he

1031
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: providing us? And what it's the next guy? And I

1032
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: think that's the way you have to look at it,

1033
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, then style of offense would be different

1034
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: fields versus Wilson versus Arnold, you know versus, right, all

1035
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: these things, ittimate Darnold's the only one that I don't

1036
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: think you draft one a year or two. And I

1037
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: just keep throwing him out there because he's the only

1038
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: name I can come up with outside the organization that

1039
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: makes any sense.

1040
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: But he's going to cost you forty probably, yeah, right right?

1041
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: And even after two bad games? Does that put you

1042
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: over the edge.

1043
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't know understand the line of thinking, but I

1044
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: mean the answer to all these is probably probably not,

1045
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: which is really disheartening. Does that mean I can walk

1046
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: into Baltimore, than Buffalo, than Kansas City and win to

1047
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: get the honor to play the Eagles in the Super Bowl?

1048
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that any of these answers get you there.

1049
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: Well, the the idea is to not have to do

1050
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: that particular part. It would be nice, you know, if

1051
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: you can get the number one seed, for example, then

1052
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: you don't have to do that or the two seed.

1053
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: Right right then you only got to beat maybe one

1054
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 3: of those teams.

1055
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Or even baby steps. I mean, you were pretty close

1056
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: to winning the division. That would be a win the division,

1057
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: right right? We win what one or two more games?

1058
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: Now you're hosting in round one and it's I don't

1059
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: know if the Ravens would have come here or how

1060
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: that would have worked. Maybe you get the Chargers or

1061
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Denver or one of those type of teams and you're

1062
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: in Houston situation.

1063
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: I will say this, that's a step. We talked about

1064
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: the Steelers in the open going two to three against

1065
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: the teams that are in the final four, in the

1066
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: final four and our one and three at this point

1067
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: because Baltimore didn't make it. Had Baltimore made it, you

1068
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 3: would have been one two out of five against those

1069
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: particular teams. Russell Wilson started both of those games that

1070
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: you won. Now, he also started the three games that

1071
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: you lost. But it also wasn't necessarily all on him

1072
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: that you lost those games. Did he play a part

1073
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: in it? Sure, everybody that was on the field did.

1074
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: But you beat two of the teams, including one of

1075
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: them in their own stadium. You beat Washington in their

1076
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: own stadium because Russell Wilson threw a late touchdown pass.

1077
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 3: You you beat Baltimore here because Wilson out played Lamar Jackson.

1078
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: I know everybody wants to focus on the inner sception

1079
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: that he threw. He played a pretty damn good game

1080
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: other than that throw, and that went over Baltimore.

1081
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those things are still out there, right.

1082
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: And so I don't again, I don't envy. These are

1083
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: the things that they're weighing right now. Okay, we know

1084
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: this with Wilson. Do we think that justin Fields can

1085
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: get us to that same spot and maybe better that?

1086
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to. But I see those sides,

1087
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: and they're all different investments in different ages and different

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Speaker 1: skill sets, and I would understand either. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that either is perfect. I don't I know neither's perfect today.

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Speaker 1: But there's always going to be a phase two and

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Speaker 1: three of this plan once phase one's drawn up. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna play Russell Wilson football. We're gonna play Fields football.

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Speaker 1: How can I best make their life easier? You know?

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Speaker 1: And you got a lot of resources to do that too. Well.

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Speaker 3: In the next two days, we're going to do drafts

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Speaker 3: that have that in mind. We'll do a draft, a

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Speaker 3: mock draft one way, and one we'll do one another

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Speaker 3: way the other way. Tomorrow. He is Matt Williamson. I

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Speaker 3: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Matt.

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Speaker 3: Now we'll be back with our number two. Right after

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Speaker 3: this