1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today we 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: are breaking down episode five of Gen season. Ben. I 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 2: watched three episodes, so like six hours in the past 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: forty eight hours. I did a little binge. Actually, we 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: watched the episode that aired two weeks ago in the hospital. 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: This was the second time that I delivered on a Monday, 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: and I watched the show in my hospital bed. But 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: I couldn't like fully grasp, you know, everything, because I 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: just had delivered a baby eight hours six hours earlier, 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: so I had to rewatch that episode. And then I watched, 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, the past two weeks as well. 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: So you were watching episodes in bed like before or 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 3: after delivery, you know. 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: Like six hours after delivery. 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: I watched the episode where they did the strip teas interesting. 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 4: What'd you think that episode was the one where Sam 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: and Devin really went at it, or like Sam kind 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 4: of became a little bit of a villain for a moment, 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: and then I saw the trajectory of the villain thing 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 4: didn't really go that far. I think that they're done 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 4: with villain. I think they're done with creating a villain. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Right now. I think we're just we're just going to 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: see where the love goes, you know. I think that 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: was one of those things were just like. 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: A blip kind of except I don't think Sam in 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: the audience's eyes, has gotten recovered recovered. Yeah, I don't 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: think he's recovered yet. From that, I don't think he 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: will kind of viewed as that. Okay, you don't know 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: if he will. That's really the big things leading up 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: to this episode, or is the Sam story obviously, Devin 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: kind of being this character that at first we thought 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: was just annoying the house. Now we don't know if 35 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: he's on in the right or in the wrong. 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: I think he's just good now. You know how we 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: said that, we were like, we were like not defending him. 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: We're like, you know, I'm not saying I like him. 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: I kind of like him. 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: Now, how do you feel I'm pretty neutral on Devin. 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: I don't really know yet. I don't think he's the 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: right one for her. I'll stand up, I'll stand beside that. 43 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: I don't think though he is again, like you were saying, 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: the villain, I don't actually know if there is a 45 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: villain this season. As much as there's just some people 46 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: that the audience might be like, Ah, I'd rather not 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: I'd rather not watch them, or I'd rather than not 48 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: be with Jen And but I don't think anybody's gonna 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: leave this show being known as the villain. 50 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that this episode really narrowed it down 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: to the guys that I actually i'll see like having 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: some sort of a chance kind of. 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 3: I will say that the exit this week was shocking 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: to me. We'll talk about that later. Dylan, Yeah, it's 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: a little surprising. 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: I like, I would have liked Dylan to stick stick around. 57 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: I like Dylan. He we didn't get see enough of him. 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: But let's dive into the first scene before we get 59 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: into the exits. Obviously, leading up to this episode, which 60 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: is episode five, we've kind of said it, the big 61 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: characters have been Sam and Devin and Marcus and also Jonathan. 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: They've all kind of been the ones that have been 63 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: shown the most so far. We do have two Rose 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: ceremonies this episode. That's kind of a shock. But the 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: first scene is the cocktail party. So we leave last 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: week where Matthew shows up the very end to kind 67 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: of tell Jim that he, you know, wants a second chance. 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 3: We don't really know where that relationship was, you know, 69 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: three months ago or four months ago, whatever they're saying 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: the timeline was, but we do know that he's into Jim. However, 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: the audience, the good old sleuthers out there, have found 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: that Matthew did a lot of content around his appearance 73 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: on The Bachelorette. Oh yeah, kind of recording that he 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: was leaving, doing a lot of things on his content. Now, 75 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: was he doing it for purpose, for his own purposes? 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. I do though, wonder you know, how 77 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: in the world he knew where Jin and the team 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: was at, and how in the world he ended up there, 79 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: and how Jesse knew he was walking in at that moment. 80 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: Oh you brought up so many things that I want 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: to talk about now. Last in the last episode, when 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: they said that he paid his way, I was like, 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe that. 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: And. 85 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: They really emphasized it, and then I started to it 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I guess he really did. 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: Maybe he did, but it was he still told them, yes, 88 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: this is not a shock to the show. The show. 89 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Definitely show come on over, but we're not paying for it. 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but come on over. We'll make sure that you 91 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: get to see Jin. And honestly, Jin handled this as 92 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: well as I think you could have. Ashley, did you 93 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: think Matthew should have been let back on the show? 94 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: I mean, like I would have left that up to Jen. 95 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: I think she made the best decision, which is not 96 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: letting him up. I think that the guy probably this 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: is what happened. They probably just had a reason that 98 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: they weren't going to be together. You know, they dated 99 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: dated a couple of years ago, and then they like 100 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: kind of rekindled something over the past few months, and 101 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: there's the allure of him being with the Bachelorette. Like 102 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: every lead out there has people from their past that 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: are watching them be the lead on this show and 104 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: be like, holy crap, I could have been with the 105 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: Bachelor or the Bachelorette and I missed out on that. 106 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, that person has extra 107 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: glow around them and it's like, oh, I can't go 108 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: on without them. And then in addition, this guy between 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: you saying that he was documenting on social media, I 110 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: think he just also like like a TV moment. 111 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it feels good, right your ex is 112 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: now on television you have this kind of romanticized idea 113 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: of what this could be probably and you say I'm 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: gonna go do it, And quite honestly, like Matt did 115 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: it well. He walked in with confidence, he handled it well. 116 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: I actually, like you said, it's Jen made a decision 117 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: she made I would say this, outside of everything else 118 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: we know about Matt, which isn't a lot, I really 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: appreciated him coming into the room and being like, hey, 120 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: Jen is sending me home. I came here to try 121 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: to figure this out, but she really likes the guys 122 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: in this room, and so as a result, I'm going home. 123 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: I did not, though, love the response from the OG 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: contestants on how they kind of spoke to him. It 125 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: felt like it was very us versus him, which is 126 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: a little fair. But when a guy does what he 127 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: just did, I feel like there should have been a 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: warmer welcome of like, hey man, thanks for thanks for 129 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: telling us that. Yeah, nice to look. 130 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: Thanks bye. 131 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: It was a little bit of like this bolly outsider mentality, 132 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: which I don't like, like Matt's an outsider, you don't 133 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: belong here, but it does show and really, for the 134 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: first time all season, actually I was questioning this, it 135 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: does show that Jen is very happy with her group 136 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: of guys. I didn't actually know she was or not 137 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: until this moment. 138 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought she was definitely going to allow the 139 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: him back in, especially based on how they made the 140 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: preview look last week. They did a great job with 141 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: that preview. Let's just say also about Matt, I felt like, 142 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: I feel like everybody has that person in their past 143 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: right that even if they don't become the lead, some 144 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: there's just distance between you. Guys say you like you 145 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: go to different schools and then you start thinking like, 146 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: oh did I I miss out on that chance, and 147 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: you totally romanticize it. So like I understand having to 148 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: go through that and seeing like if there was one 149 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: last chance. I'm wondering though, just because the previews again 150 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: are making it seem like this, like she doesn't pick anyone. 151 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: What if in her head Matt lingers. 152 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: Hmm, right. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked. They came 153 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: to my mind watching the previews that I would not 154 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: be surprised if we find out that Matt and Jen 155 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: are actually trying to make this thing work, because he 156 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 3: was kind of this figure now that she was curious 157 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: about there's so much we don't know about the relationship. 158 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: It felt very tongue in cheek, even while they were 159 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: talking to each other about things said and unset. 160 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: Oh, that was the other thing we have to talk 161 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: about that. Did he ever say I love you? I 162 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: don't know, because she said that she's never heard I 163 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: love you before when she was talking who said that? 164 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Who said that to her? This episode? Was it Devon? 165 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: It might have been Devon. 166 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: Somebody said like, I'm falling in love with you and 167 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: then she was like, oh, yeah, I was on the 168 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: one on one with Devine. He said like, I'm falling 169 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, my gosh, I've never like heard 170 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: somebody say that they're falling for me before. But Matt 171 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: goes and says that he had said that before. 172 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: It's interesting. There's just feels it feels like this could 173 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: have been messy, like there could have been a lot 174 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: brought up that was not brought up based on, you know, 175 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: his quick appearance. It just felt like they were kind 176 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: of looking at each other and I could be just 177 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: assuming things, which I typically am. It almost looked like 178 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: Jen was looking at Matt being like, please don't say 179 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: too much and Matt was looking at Jim and being like, 180 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: do you want me to really talk about our past? Yes, 181 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: that's what I felt. 182 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Ben. 183 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: You just said it so well, especially what happened with 184 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: for the past couple of months, because I'm pretty sure 185 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: it was probably between the Bachelor season becoming the Bachelorette 186 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: that they like, she should became friendly again. But I 187 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: think that they probably were. 188 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: And I don't even judge. There's no like, there's nothing 189 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: wrong with that. So if anybody's out there like, how 190 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: in the world could she date between shows, like, well, 191 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: it's been three months, four months, she's single. Why wouldn't 192 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: she if she didn't meet her future husband during that time, 193 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: then please go off and be the bachelorette. And she 194 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: obviously doesn't feel like she met her future husband because 195 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: the only guy that we know might have been in 196 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: that time period was Matt, who she sent home once 197 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: he arrived. 198 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they brought up the weddings because she was like, 199 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: you went to the weddings without me, because obviously they 200 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: were intending for her to be the date at these weddings, 201 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: but then she began the Bachelorette. 202 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was just a lie. I just felt it 203 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: in her eyes, like, hey, Matt, please don't mess me 204 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 3: over here, like this is gonna be This could get 205 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: a lot messier than what I want and what you want. 206 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, you're not my guy, 207 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: and so you need to go home. So he did, 208 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: and he spoke to the men. The men handled it 209 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: like children, in my opinion, and then the rose ceremony happens. 210 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: The rose ceremony is right off the beginning of this episode. 211 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: Not a big shock here. Honestly, this was kind of 212 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: what I expected. If you would have said, what's the 213 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: odds on favorite to go home during this row ceremony? 214 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: I would have one hundred percent picked Thomas to be 215 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: that guy. 216 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thomas was the only one on my list to 217 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: go home from this batch. 218 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: He felt like the guy that was there. He was 219 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: kind of causing some he was stirring up the pot 220 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: a little bit, but that's kind of ended. And now 221 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: at this point his connection with Jen is not there. 222 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: His role kind of the stir of the pot is gone. 223 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: So Thomas going home was not a shock to any 224 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 3: of us. We still have an episode in front of us, 225 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: full of dates and one on ones, and so we 226 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 3: start out with the first one on one of the week, 227 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: and it's Jonathan and Jin. Jonathan is somebody that you've 228 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: been a fan of since the beginning. 229 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: So cute, and now you like him too. You get it. 230 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: I get it. I thought he was really great. I 231 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: thought their date felt like it felt natural. Now I 232 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: think viewership could watch him be like, hey, that was 233 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: like forced fun, like the producers like you guys should 234 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: throw berries at each other or whatever that was. 235 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: Then I was thinking the same thing. I was like, 236 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 2: I'm so glad I'm not the bachelorette at this moment, 237 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: because this would be the most awkward date ever where 238 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, Ashley, just go run in the field 239 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: with him, like there's no actual activity here, just yeah, 240 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: just frolic. 241 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys just telecoptered into a place that you 242 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: guys are supposed to watch, Dude, I don't know, have 243 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: fun and it's like okay. But outside of even the 244 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: forced fun and probably some nudging, I do feel like 245 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: they actually enjoyed themselves and that they made this forced 246 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: fun actually fun and silly and enjoyable for them. But 247 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: I know exactly what was happening. They're like Jin talk 248 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: about how Jonathan brings out your goofy side, and she's 249 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: like he does. And then they're like, Jonathan, talk about 250 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: how fun you how much fun you have a gin, 251 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: And that's all they wanted. They just wanted to show 252 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: that the two of them have a lot of charisma together. 253 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: But the most important point out of all of this 254 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: is if somebody is making you have forced fun, if 255 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: they are forcing you into some activity that feels super 256 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: awkward and goofy, if you have a partner that you 257 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: can do it with and actually make it enjoyable or 258 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: at least not make it awkward that you're both like, 259 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: n all right, let's go for it. I do feel 260 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: like that shows a compatibility. Okay, yeah, it's a lot 261 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: better than being with someone you're like, this is so terrible, 262 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: Like this person's a bump on the log. They're not 263 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: going to enjoy any of this now, They're going to 264 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: make it awkward, or they're going to get mad that 265 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: we're supposed to be throwing things at each other and 266 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: playing in Hide and Go Seek. No, I think they 267 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: both like owned it and did it, and they were 268 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: good partners to each other in the midst of that, 269 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: And it made me like it made me like malt, 270 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 3: I do feel like he is at the top of 271 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: my list when it comes to connections with. 272 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Jen He's top four. Now I think I can safely 273 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: put him in my top four. 274 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: He's top two for me, oh top two. 275 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see he's in my top two as in favorites. 276 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: But I don't know that he's in the top two 277 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: in Gen's favorites. 278 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later, but that's an interesting statement. 279 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: So what he did was they're sitting in the hot 280 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: tub and he was like, obviously we're great at like 281 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: giggling together, but do we like have a deeper emotional connection. 282 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: And at that moment, I was like, oh, is he 283 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: going to be eliminated in this episode, on this one 284 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: on one because they can't get deeper. But it was 285 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: absolutely the opposite. At dinner when he talked about he 286 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: talked about his dad wasn't really in the picture and 287 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: that his mom him very young, and he felt like 288 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: he needed to be strong and stable for him and 289 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: the sisters and not very vulnerable and emotional, and they 290 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: really found common ground there. 291 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: Just his openness. I think oftentimes when you watch this 292 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: and somebody opens up and it is important to do 293 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: on one on one date. It's not something that should 294 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: ever be shied away from, especially if you're trying to 295 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: date this person because you don't know how many opportunities 296 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: you get. It just felt like, again, I'll go back 297 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: to this compatibility, this comfort, this ability for the two 298 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: of them to actually have a conversation that is tough 299 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: and both reciprocate not only with empathy relatability, but just 300 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: in this way that You're like, this looks like a 301 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: real date to me. This is not you know, this 302 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: isn't a one sided date. Jen is also participating in 303 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: the conversation. She's not just a listener here. She is 304 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: actually like, the two of them really feel like that. 305 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: That's why I say he goes it to my top two, 306 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: because it feels like the two of them this date 307 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: really skyrocket him for that. Now, granted, he and I 308 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: will say, there is something about getting the hot tub 309 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere date. I do think that 310 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: gives him with some legitimacy. I think that's a big deal. 311 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: Isn't there something there like Bachelor data has that did 312 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: you have a hot tub date with somebody on your season? 313 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: Lauren? 314 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: Oh? Really? Look at that, so there is something there. 315 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: No wonder why he's in your top two yeats the 316 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: stats here, okay. And then there was the kissing in 317 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: the rain, which was fake rain. 318 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: Oh that was rain. Yeah, there's a lot of rain 319 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: this episode. I totally forgot about that. 320 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: What other rain? Well, yeah, because it was if you 321 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: look at the ground, it was only raining on them. 322 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: And I think it was supposed to be their rom 323 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: com moment because they were talking about wow, you know, 324 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: wanting a love like you see in romance movies. 325 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean this whole date felt very good to me. 326 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I like Jonathan. I think he's 327 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: very into gen and I think he's does this make sense, 328 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: He's just the appropriate amount into Jen. He's not like 329 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: overwhelmed and like, oh my gosh, my world is falling 330 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: down around me. 331 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: He's not a sam n He's. 332 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 3: Not a sam in. No, he's not freaking out. He 333 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: just feels like this could go a long ways or 334 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: some longevity to this relationship. 335 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: He feels safe to me. 336 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: He feels safe is a good word. Now. I don't 337 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: know if safe is the one at the end, I 338 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: think she'll have to decide, does she want safe or 339 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: does she want a risk or maybe she doesn't want anybody. 340 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be confused at this point why Jonathan 341 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: would ever go home. It feels like everything is kind 342 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: of aligning for those two to really work. 343 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: Okay, because I think she's gonna find I think she 344 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: might go with more of a passion. 345 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: Was she loves the passion, which we see in the 346 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: final one on one. But before we get to the 347 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: final one on one, we do have a group date. 348 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 3: The group date card says this love is messy, and 349 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: it was, and it is and Devin, Sam Marcus, Spencer, Jeremy, 350 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: Dylan Austin all go on this day. I loved this 351 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: group date. I thought it was the perfect group. 352 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: Date, best group date. You know how I usually pick 353 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: up my phone and scroll during group dates when there's activities. 354 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: This was so fun. Take him to the farm, have 355 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: them shovel poop, having them shepherd the sheep was awesome. 356 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: Great. 357 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: The guys seem like they just really had a good 358 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: time with it, no complaints. Great. I mean, was Devin 359 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: the greatest farmer again? I don't know. Definitely. I don't 360 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: think like anybody stood out as the best farmer. 361 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: And that was just a that was definitely foreseen. Yeah, 362 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: I could see that Devin was, you know there, he 363 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: was being pulled aside to the you know it's that 364 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: still that kind of narrative of Devon has a target 365 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: on his back, Devon's taking hair, of stealing all the time, 366 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: all that stuff. I think that's overplayed though at this point. 367 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: I don't know why it still exists in episode five, 368 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: because this is such a turning point episode. Usually each season, 369 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 3: episode five is where we start to get more serious 370 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: with most relationships, where the like conversations about who's good 371 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: and whose bad kind of ends, or at least if 372 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: it still continues. Then next week's the two on one 373 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: and one of those people end up going home, Devin's. 374 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: I don't think what we see much more of this, 375 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: but Devin does win more time with Gen, which we 376 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: don't really see a lot of, if any at all. 377 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: Make out. 378 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: They just kind of make out, which is cool. Good 379 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: they both wanted it, especially after shoveling poop all day. 380 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: But I love this group date because I think for contestants, 381 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: it took a lot of pressure off of them. It 382 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 3: took a lot of pressure off of Gin, and it's 383 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: fun to go to these new countries and do something 384 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 3: that maybe you would never have done in the United States. 385 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: There's not like farms that you can just call up 386 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: and be like, hey, can I come over and shovel 387 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 3: your your poop and like, you know, shave your sheet 388 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 3: for a bit. No, that's not a deal. So it's 389 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: cool that they get to do that there. They probably learn. 390 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: Something dingleberries, how to take off dingle berries. 391 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: I think it's great. So what a great group date, 392 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: what a great idea from the show to do. It 393 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: was enjoy to watch, and it was also enjoyable to 394 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 3: see how these guys kind of reacted to it. They 395 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: all want to you know, some of them were you know, 396 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: digging in literally and others of them were like, hey, 397 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: not my deal, and I don't really get involved in 398 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. So great group date. Really enjoyed it. 399 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: But it does lead us then into the night portion 400 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: of the date, which Devin is still a part of it. 401 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 3: All the other guys are a part of as well. 402 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: And so this is where Austin decides to leave. And 403 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: I felt like this was an ego move. So Austin 404 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: to me has been I mean, I like him I 405 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: think he's cute, right, but he's been feeling like he's 406 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: under the radar, not getting a one on one, not 407 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: getting attention, having his relationship not compared to the other guys. 408 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: He says, he feels like he steps and steps below 409 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: the other guys. And when he goes up to her 410 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: and says that he's leaving, it feels to me like 411 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 2: he wanted to dump her before she dumped him. 412 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 413 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: Right, And there was no reasoning besides that to me. 414 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 3: No, I just felt like he had gotten in his 415 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 3: own head and had said, hey, I'm not the one, 416 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 3: and he probably isn't. And so if he wanted to 417 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: go on home, go home and is on his own accord, great. 418 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: I don't think it's really how this is all supposed 419 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: to play out, but I don't. I also think if 420 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: he was in the top choices for her, she could 421 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: have convinced him. She didn't try any convincing. She more 422 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: like when internal and was like, what am I doing 423 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: wrong here? Why are these guys not into me? 424 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: It was like a girl, it's not that guys aren't 425 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: into you, it's that like he just he just felt 426 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: his ego was bruised because he wasn't getting probably the 427 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: attention that he does back at home, and he just 428 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 2: didn't want to be He just didn't want to be 429 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: sent home by you, So he made the first move 430 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: to not be crazy. But like, also, do you think 431 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: that the producers knew that, like if a guy went home, 432 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: especially without much reasoning, that it was really going to 433 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: f with her psyche, which it did and her so 434 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: of worth and so they're like, hey, let's like, let's 435 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: make her feel something here for a second. 436 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: Happened to me, Yeah, happened to me during the Bachelor season. 437 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: Uh one, I had, you know, two people go home 438 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 3: early on on their own, and then in the Bahamash, everybody, 439 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: all the girls got mad at me because they felt 440 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: like I was spending too much time giving attention to 441 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: a few of the girls that were definitely in the top. 442 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: They weren't wrong about their criticism adjustment. But then they 443 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: were all like, I'm going home because if this is 444 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: if you're done with me or if I'm not even 445 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: in consideration, I'm going home. And it did. It messed 446 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: with me bad. I remember being like, I don't think 447 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 3: I can save this. Every one of these girls is 448 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 3: going to be going home, and I'm going to be 449 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 3: sitting here being like I'm the only bachelor at week 450 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: six to lose all of them at once, which wouldn't 451 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: have been a shock to me. I was just like 452 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: I thought the show was supposed to protecting from this, 453 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 3: go to messing with your psyche. It humbles you, but 454 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: it also makes you refocus a lot on Hey, maybe 455 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 3: I am not giving attention to some of these guys 456 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: and I do want them or need them to be here. 457 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: It's good for everybody, and so I need to start, 458 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: you know, caring for them a little more. 459 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: So. 460 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I think the show is like this is perfect. 461 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Austin, go home. Tell you're going home, doesn't 462 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: bother us at all. Let's shake gin up a bit, 463 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 3: get her refocused. 464 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: And the reaction she gets from the guys is actually wonderful. 465 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: She goes in and she tells them how she's feeling 466 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: about how she's like worried about being worthless. There's a 467 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 2: lot in this episode that you can just tell that, 468 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: like her dad leaving the family really direct her to 469 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: the core. Yeah, and it really did have her choose 470 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: the wrong guys once she started getting to the dating 471 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: age and all that, but these guys like kind of 472 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: go around in a circle, and I feel like it 473 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: was unprompted, at least I like to think that it 474 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: was unprompted sharing about how like they have felt similarly 475 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: to her before. 476 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a great moment, and I 477 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: do think they all stepped up. There is one thing 478 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: about the group date that we haven't talked about that 479 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: I want to talk about. What's the guy's name that 480 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: was petting her head, Jeremy? How is he still there? 481 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: I thank you. He's the only one when we look 482 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: around the circle that I'm like, yeah, I don't get 483 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 2: that one. 484 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, this guy, I'm sure he's a 485 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: nice guy, he's looking whatever, but like we haven't seen 486 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 3: any moments with him in gine. In fact, every moment 487 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: we have seen has been pretty awkward. I mean this literally, 488 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: I was watching this was like he's just petting her hair, 489 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 3: like just smacking the back of her head's and I 490 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: liked it. Jen was like, what are you doing? Are 491 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: you petty? 492 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: But like I think that I kind of like like 493 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: each other in the sense that there is like that 494 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: playfulness where she's like, why are you petting me? He's 495 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: definitely the next to go. Like he does not survive 496 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: next week. 497 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be shocked if he did. But maybe 498 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: there is the playfulness, maybe there is the comfort. I 499 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: don't know what you call it, but it was a 500 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: weird moment. And I was shocked that Dylan went home 501 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 3: above him. But that's, you know, something we can talk 502 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 3: about later. 503 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: That that's a good point, man. 504 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of shocked. We do have the Grant and 505 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 3: Gen date. This was a massive date for many reasons, right, 506 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 3: Grant came out of the limo as one of the favorites. 507 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: He definitely stood out. He had confidence, he had the 508 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: swagger he had. 509 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: Didn't trust him because because the swagger and the looks. 510 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: But he's grown on me a lot. Especially this episode. 511 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: He growed me a lot. We saw him kind of 512 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 3: bring his guard down and actually talk you know him, 513 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: And we were saying Grant and Sam kind of had 514 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: this same same thing going where it felt like they've 515 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: spoken movie lines for a bit. But this episode we 516 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: could see so much of Grant where he actually converses 517 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: with her and you know, shares his heart, shares his feeling, 518 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: shares who he is. And I'm like, this is a 519 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: good dude for you. Jen, This is a guy that's 520 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: up there now for me, and I wasn't convinced initially. 521 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: So walk us through this one on one and at 522 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: the end, I want to talk about what you think 523 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 3: this means moving forward? 524 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: Well, this one on one, you know, what did they do? 525 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: What was it? Activity? Why don't I remember in activity? 526 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: Hold on? 527 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 3: Do you remember horseback riding? 528 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, So the two of them go horseback riding. 529 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: It's cute, it's playful, but it's the nighttime portion of 530 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: the day where we like feel connected to him because 531 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: he starts talking about his dad and now his dad 532 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: has been he's been addicted to We're not really one 533 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: hundred percent sure, but I know he has an alcohol 534 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: problem and he's been rehab over the past, very recently, 535 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: and he just came out of rehab and it's the 536 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: first time that he that he and his dad have 537 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: like connected in a sober way, and he just again 538 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: there's the that compatibility or that shared experience and the 539 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: fact that he hasn't had a full father figure the 540 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: way that she hasn't had a father figure, and we 541 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 2: just we feel depth from him, and I just feel 542 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: like he is way more sincere than we thought that 543 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: he was. 544 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think his story was one that so many 545 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: people in the audience will probably watch and be like, 546 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: I either understand or this helps make you make sense. 547 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: You're a wise person, You've been through a lot. You 548 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: obviously are somebody that wants to stand beside those who 549 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: are hurting. There was a lot there when he was 550 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: speaking about his experience with his father that just felt 551 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: like for me personally, I said, I want to watch 552 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: more of this guy. I want to learn more about him. 553 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: There's so much now to uncover. And I really appreciated 554 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: this date. I think these two one on ones this 555 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: episode were absolutely incredible when it comes to connections moving forward, 556 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: and when I ask you the question, what do you 557 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: think this means moving forward? What I was getting to 558 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: is because in my eyes, and maybe it's just a 559 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: recency bias that I have, Jonathan and Grant are my 560 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: top two for her. 561 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I think they could be a smart top 562 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: two for her, but I don't think they'll be her 563 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: top two. 564 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 3: It's that's I mean, that's why I was so curious 565 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 3: when you said that Jonathan now steaks into the top four. 566 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, he's either one or two 567 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: grant him or you know, going back and forth. We're 568 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: gonna again. We'll talk more about that as the episode 569 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: ends here and as we stop our recording, because we 570 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: go through our top fours, but obviously somebody not in 571 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: the top four is well the person that goes home 572 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: from the rose ceremony. This episode, we don't have a 573 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 3: cocktail party. You know, Jen already knows what she's going 574 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: to do, which is kind of shocking considering how it plays. 575 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: She ends up sending Dylan home, which for me was 576 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: a shock. I don't feel like we got to see 577 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: enough of Dylan. He seemed to be very well liked 578 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: in the house. He seemed to have a lot of 579 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 3: friends in the house, and he also, at least episode 580 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: one I think it was it felt like he was 581 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 3: kind of a main character and gonna definitely make some 582 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: waves here during the season. 583 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: I know, the only other guy who didn't have a 584 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: one on one in this group is Jeremy, So I 585 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: really thought I was gonna be between him and Jeremy, 586 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: and you know, I guess what it comes down to, 587 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. They're both going to go home. 588 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: But it was just unfortunate. I think that Dylan and 589 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: her didn't connect just because he just seemed like such 590 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: a good stand up guy and they're both in the 591 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: medical field, and who knows, who knows why it wasn't there, 592 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: but it wasn't there. And if we are going to 593 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: go into what we think is going to happen, there's 594 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: a little spoiler in the since the next episode, and 595 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: that is you see her with Devon in front of 596 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: a home and it's definitely not like a mansion or 597 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: anything like that. It is it's just an American home. 598 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can assume he makes the hometowns. 599 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: He makes it to hometowns, And I guess that's not 600 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: a huge spoiler. That's like probably something they could put 601 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: in there because he's just been such a prominent character. 602 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 603 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that we can both put Devon 604 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: in our top four because it's basically in front of 605 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: her eyes. Yeah, and then I'm going to put Sam, 606 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna put Jonathan. Then my like, hmm, 607 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: the person who I think can be who do I 608 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: think can be in there? Who's like my up in 609 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: the air dude. I guess we could put Grant in there. 610 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: You've always liked Marcus Marcus. 611 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: There we go, Thank you. Marcus. Marcus is going to 612 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: get in there over Grant for me. 613 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: So it's her aunt and Jonathan Marcus for me and 614 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: then Devin. I think that's my top four. 615 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: So you don't have Sam in there. No, you think 616 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: that she's gonna get over Sam in the next week. Yeah, 617 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: that would mean that Sam gets eliminated next week. 618 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: I think he gets eliminated next week. 619 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: Why you are just saying this for interest? 620 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: I think it's just coming. It has to come at 621 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: some point, especially with all of the stuff online that's 622 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: been happening, you know, with his family kind of commenting 623 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: on their relationship and you know, making the statement that 624 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: Jin's going to look like an idiot and all this. 625 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: I've been in baby world, tell me what this is about. 626 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 3: On Instagram, his family has been commenting on his pictures 627 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: in defense of him, especially when the weeks were going 628 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: on where you know, people weren't reacting well to him 629 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 3: and they just said, just wait till how this plays out. 630 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: But that makes me feel like they met her. 631 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah they could. I don't know, it could. I just 632 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 3: don't have I just can't put him in my top 633 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: four because I just don't think it plays out well. 634 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: And those guys I still think have a chance. I 635 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: think they still have a chance to be there next 636 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: week and the week after and the week after. The 637 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: four I mentioned I think could be the Hometown four. 638 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: That's my prediction right now. I have no idea, but 639 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: it is my prediction right now. I do think Grant 640 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: will be there because of this really sweet moment we 641 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: see with him and Marcus, and it just says a 642 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: lot about Marcus I think. I mean, Grant definitely had 643 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: his episode, this was a big episode for him, but 644 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: telling Marcus like I'm falling. 645 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: For her, oh yeah. 646 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: And him trusting Marcus with that information and then say 647 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: hey man, can we not? Can we not really like 648 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: share this with the group and he's like, I won't 649 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: do that. Man. That is just like that reminded me 650 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: of my time on the Bachelorette with some of those guys, 651 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 3: like with a Jared, where I could be like, Hey, Jared, 652 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: I know this is weird. I know this whole thing 653 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense, it's all crazy, But can I 654 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 3: talk to you? Because I haven't had anybody else to 655 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: talk to her. I just need to talk to somebody 656 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: I trust, even if this is weird, and like, those 657 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: are the moments now I look back on him like 658 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: those were some of my favorites because it you know, 659 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 3: it was the best of guys that you choose to 660 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 3: want to do that with, and Jared was definitely one 661 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 3: of those for me. 662 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: He remembers this time with you in the sauna. 663 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: Sauna. Yeah, we said a sona for three hours just 664 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: talking about stuff, so we know they can have mics 665 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: in there. 666 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, thank you for bringing that moment up to 667 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: the two of them. It was really sweet and seeing 668 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: him cry over feeling love that totally changed my opinion 669 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: on him. 670 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's what I'm saying. Those two 671 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 3: are those two are far beyond in my eyes, and 672 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: it's interesting that they're not in yours. 673 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: Oh, Marcus is and I would hate to see him 674 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: leave next either of them leave next week, which I'm 675 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: saying that it would, but we'll see. Okay, I have 676 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: to say, can I give you my prediction, Yes, especially 677 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: after you tell me about the family's comments. Yes, I 678 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: think it's going to go down to Sam and Devin, 679 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: and I think that the family is referring to something 680 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: that she does in the end, which is like, either 681 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: don't propose to me, or it's just she's the pick 682 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: No One and they're gonna be like, look, she screwed 683 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: him over. And I think that in getting down between 684 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: sam and and Devin, who both have like some you know, 685 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 2: it wasn't so prevalent during this episode, but have had 686 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: tension before and they're both alphas, gonna it would just 687 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: be really good TV. 688 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: It'll be a Nick Vile shambo. 689 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's either Nick Vile and sham 690 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 2: booth or it's Nick and Josh. 691 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, from previous He's interesting. It happened twice for 692 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: Nick's I never thought about that way. Roa cumony happens. 693 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 3: Dylan does go home. As we mentioned, we have the 694 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 3: preview Ashley's mentioned it. We do see Devin kind of 695 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 3: standing in front of door. It makes us assume he's there, 696 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: at least through hometowns. There's a lot of tears, there's 697 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 3: a lot of cutting and pasting here. We don't exactly 698 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 3: know what happens. But the one thing I think Ashley 699 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 3: and I would stand firm on is we still both 700 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 3: believe she doesn't end up with anybody at the end 701 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 3: of the season. 702 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, But now that they're teasing that so much, do 703 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: you think they're just trying to throw us off? 704 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 3: No, I think it's one hundred percent what's going to happen. 705 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't why Why are they going to tease it 706 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: so much? Why want they just make it a real surprise, because. 707 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 3: I think they're almost thinking it's like reverse psychology. Yeah, 708 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: like if you tease it, they'll never believe it. Kind 709 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 3: of that, I think because for so many years they've 710 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: teased things and it's never happened. Remember we complained here. 711 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: We're like, it's they're going to lose a trust the 712 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 3: viewers if they keep doing this. I think they probably 713 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 3: listen to the almost famous podcasts. They trust our opinions, 714 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 3: and they're like, now we're going to actually build in 715 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: the trust of the viewership by actually doing what we 716 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: say we're going to do. 717 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes that is the best way to end 718 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: the season dramatically. Is like when you watch a movie 719 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 2: where like somebody there's some murder and then the murder 720 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: ends up being the one that was obvious the entire time. 721 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: That's the actual twist. 722 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, actual twist. I think that's how it plays out. Well, 723 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 3: we have more exciting episodes coming your way. We still 724 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 3: have headlines coming out this week. Obviously. This is episode 725 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: five of the Bachelorette season where Jin is leading and leading, well, 726 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 3: she's actually crushing it. She's a great bachelorette. She's so 727 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 3: very likable, and I just I hope no matter what, 728 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 3: she finds some happiness. I just don't know where or 729 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 3: when it's gonna happen. I don't think it happens from 730 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 3: the show. But Gin has been awesome and we look 731 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 3: forward to next week episode six breaking it down with 732 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 3: you right here, you know, wherever you can listen to 733 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: the podcast, especially the iHeartRadio app, make sure you go 734 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 3: and rate us five stars, nothing less, only more. 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