WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Melba Moore

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio Happy Black

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<v Speaker 1>History Month from Quest Love Supreme. This week's classic is

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<v Speaker 1>with the incredible Melbourne Moore, first air back in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, with the highly accomplished singer and actress. We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, Melba, hope you guys enjoyed this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>How you say it? It is how you say it,

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<v Speaker 4>you use it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the person to get her name right. And Lai

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<v Speaker 1>has been everything I saw. Boy, she's been everything to

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<v Speaker 1>every guest. Guest, Princess Leah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on, Miss Melbourne?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, good to be here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, good, We're good to have you here.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have you here too, Ladies and gentlemen. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Questlove, host of Quest Love Supreme. What can I say? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all Team Supreme, Solloy and Steve and unpaid

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<v Speaker 1>Bill somewhere paying his bills. I got to say that

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<v Speaker 1>this interview is a long time coming. Once again, I

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<v Speaker 1>always say that we're honored to be in the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of worldty, but this is definitely the case for that episode,

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<v Speaker 1>For this episode, Melboln Moore, you know what can I say?

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway actress she was in the original here, the original

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<v Speaker 1>here with Ronnie Dice. So many questions. Uh, she is

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<v Speaker 1>a Tony Award winner for Pearly. I even saw her

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<v Speaker 1>in y'all might not remember this, but in seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Buck two was a big deal. I saw Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Buck two her an Earth Kit, I think so first

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<v Speaker 1>week it came out, my mom took me to see

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Buck two. Not to mention her music career, signed

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<v Speaker 1>to a new Billguard's legendary Buddha Records in the early seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>soon too Epic Records, and then of course in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties or legendary run on Capitol Records.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Having discovered and been involved in so many greats, including

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<v Speaker 1>one of our favorites, Freddy Jackson managing his career. Not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention movies, just everything so legendary about this guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Please welcome to our show. Finally, Queen Melbourne Moore, thank you, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited to be here with you all. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you remember all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Of yours?

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<v Speaker 2>Id you was.

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<v Speaker 4>One of them geniuses, That's what I heard about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just the street, this is my my platform is

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but just the having the best seat in the

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<v Speaker 1>house and interviewing people that you know excite me. You

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<v Speaker 1>know I didn't. I guess I became friends with you

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<v Speaker 1>because you would always come to uh you know, are

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<v Speaker 1>always on our DJ gigs. You're the nicest DJ gigs

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<v Speaker 1>of mine as well, and got to know you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still doing your jazz set one day. Actually, wait, I

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<v Speaker 1>just did your dad. I forgot to tell you. I

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<v Speaker 1>finally did your jazz yesterday. You asked the jazz set together,

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<v Speaker 1>and wow, I finally I finally got one together, like

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<v Speaker 1>last week when you know we shot this away later,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes, I finally got one together. So how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you right? Are you still a New Yorker? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what part of the world?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just New York, New Jersey?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that part of New York, yes, the Jersey part. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like everyone in Jersey. Yeah, true, true New

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkers live in Jersey. I didn't get remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Well now listen, I'm North New Jersey too.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what where were you? Were you always in

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<v Speaker 1>New York or where were you born?

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<v Speaker 4>I was born in New York. Yes, what.

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<v Speaker 2>A Harlem hospital?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, your Harlem night.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I lived on one hundred and eighth Street, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>like two blocks below Harlem. I'm always on the cusp

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<v Speaker 4>of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, almost there, but not quite there. I see that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in your well, in your beginnings, what was

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<v Speaker 1>your your your childhood into at least musically? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>grow up in a musical family where you I know

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<v Speaker 1>that your parents were also like singers as well, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your childhood?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't in my jeans? You might know who Teddy

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<v Speaker 4>Hill is?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you?

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<v Speaker 1>I know this name?

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<v Speaker 2>For your time?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean that. Yeah, you are walking encyclopedia, so

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<v Speaker 4>you might not.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the name Teddy Hill, but I'm not familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with correct.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a very famous big band leader. People like

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<v Speaker 4>Physical Lesbie and those folks played in his band. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's my natural father, but he didn't marry my mother.

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<v Speaker 4>So my mother was a professional singer. Okay, okay, so

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<v Speaker 4>I started out with music in my blood. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a strange family. My grandmother had strokes, so she didn't speak,

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<v Speaker 4>so I don't really know my my family history. My

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<v Speaker 4>mother's from pipe shop, Alabama. Didn't nobody ever hear that?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>You know about Birmingham, but you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know about pipe pipe shop. Okay, really, don't sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I want to go right.

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<v Speaker 7>Everybody's from there, right, So as I started out my

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<v Speaker 7>life really with a disjointed, broken.

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<v Speaker 4>Family like many African American people. And then my mother

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<v Speaker 4>married my stepfather who was a piano player and they

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<v Speaker 4>worked together. So when I moved to Newark because he's

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<v Speaker 4>he was from Newark, I then had a step sister

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<v Speaker 4>and step brother later on two more blood you know

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<v Speaker 4>have blood brothers, and uh Daddy made us all take

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<v Speaker 4>piano lessons. So that's when I found out I could

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<v Speaker 4>sing about well, I was already ten years old. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>when you were the instrument and you're born into it,

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<v Speaker 4>you expect like you're going to start singing about three

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<v Speaker 4>or four years old because the instrument is already there.

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<v Speaker 4>So really started late, that's my point, I guess I'm ployment.

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<v Speaker 1>So for you, starting at that age was late to

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<v Speaker 1>you in your in your mind like, well.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean usually when people have a voice, by the

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<v Speaker 4>time at three or four years old, they can sing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, is that what happened with your mom? Because y'all

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<v Speaker 3>have similar voices and yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess you said question you want to know

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<v Speaker 4>what you want to know? What is your question?

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<v Speaker 8>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, well I really want to know. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that also in Newark, especially in that time period, the

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<v Speaker 1>legacy that Newark had as far as its singers are concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that Cissy Houston was around there and at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and the work sisters and whatnot likes. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as the musical richness of Newark, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>environment like back then.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there were lots of music bars, clubs with bands

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<v Speaker 4>and combos. Later on they were still continued to be

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<v Speaker 4>and people like Rhodid Scott and these great organ players

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<v Speaker 4>in these clubs all the time. Of course we also

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<v Speaker 4>had concerts and it was just very very rich. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean to the point too where by the time it

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<v Speaker 4>was time for you to go to high school, a

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<v Speaker 4>lot would you decided. I don't know if I could

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<v Speaker 4>have any little talent, but I wanted to be involved.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be in music. So I went to

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<v Speaker 4>music and art high school.

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<v Speaker 1>What high school was that arts high Okay? So there

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a performing arts high school, artigs school. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a famous one, right, it's not famous like

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<v Speaker 4>the one in New York, but I can tell you

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<v Speaker 4>people like Wayne Shorter went there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yeah, I was going to say, who else

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<v Speaker 1>went there that was of New Well, Wayne Shorter was

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. Anyone else?

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<v Speaker 4>Tons? I can't remember them all now, but tons and

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<v Speaker 4>tons and tons of like because it's of talented people.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Like who are your idols during that time period?

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<v Speaker 1>Or like at least what was the who was the

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<v Speaker 1>person that you looked up to the most, people.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Bobby Tenants or Horror Silver. I thought I was

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be a count of player.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>That was.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, because my stepfather was a counter player and

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<v Speaker 4>he played really really well, and he loved and he

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<v Speaker 4>made everybody around him just fall in love with it,

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<v Speaker 4>So I thought I could do it too.

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<v Speaker 1>So then, what was your first moment, as in an

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<v Speaker 1>entry into your professional at least that moment where you

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<v Speaker 1>knew that you were going to make this your life calling.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, after I spent about two or three years teaching

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<v Speaker 4>vocal music in public schools, I told my father, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>this is your dream, daddy. I do it really well,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't want to do it. Please introduce me

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<v Speaker 4>to some of your viewer peoplec can you get me

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<v Speaker 4>into the industry as a performer. If it doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll come back and peach school. So, to make a

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<v Speaker 4>long story a little bit shorter, one of the first people,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was Valerie Simpson. Some music publishers offered trying

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<v Speaker 4>to sell her songs already you know, at the beginning

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<v Speaker 4>of her life and career, because this was like late

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<v Speaker 4>sixties and we changed numbers, and she got me involved

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<v Speaker 4>with studio background singing work and singing jingles. That was

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<v Speaker 4>my into the industry. I started, you know, if you know,

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<v Speaker 4>valuing sense if she's at the top of her change,

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<v Speaker 4>she started out at the top. Yes, yes, because she's

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<v Speaker 4>just a genius.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm going to tell you town Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So then would you say that acting, like did that

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<v Speaker 1>come into play before you became a singer, and like

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<v Speaker 1>was acting your first fours as far as like doing

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<v Speaker 1>plays or whatnot?

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<v Speaker 4>Heck no, no, I just mean I didn't have a

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<v Speaker 4>clue that would be in my future. But one of

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<v Speaker 4>the recording sessions was being performed by Galton and Bermott,

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<v Speaker 4>who wrote the music for the show. Here and they

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<v Speaker 4>were still casting for it, and they told us if

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<v Speaker 4>we wanted to cut any of us, they had really

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<v Speaker 4>basically been auditioning us without us knowing it, right, and

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<v Speaker 4>if we wanted to, they would find a part for

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<v Speaker 4>all of us in the show if we were coming

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<v Speaker 4>down and sing for the director and to produce. I

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<v Speaker 4>was the only one on the day get about getting

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<v Speaker 4>into theater, so I got into my first world would

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<v Speaker 4>show that.

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<v Speaker 1>Way so okay for our listeners that don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. I was going to say, well, not only that,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that hair was just something out of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere and very uh, well, you know people

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<v Speaker 1>think of hair. At least everyone that I know that

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<v Speaker 1>that saw it in real time told me that basically

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first time that you know, open front

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<v Speaker 1>nudity was such a thing on Broadway. Like, how controversial

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<v Speaker 1>was it? Then? To get involved? How did they talk

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<v Speaker 1>you guys into it?

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<v Speaker 4>We were in previews and I don't know, someone from

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<v Speaker 4>the production team came up with the idea and told

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<v Speaker 4>us what we had to do the new scene, and

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<v Speaker 4>everybody's threatened quick because we didn't. I got in mind

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<v Speaker 4>and was shocking to us. But then when they made

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<v Speaker 4>it kind of well, if you want to do what

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<v Speaker 4>you can, If you don't, you don't have to. I

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<v Speaker 4>was curious, So I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>M M every night every night. Well I don't, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember if I did it every night?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, do it?

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to, You're gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you can you take us through their hair?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Because I read right that you also replaced Diane Keaton,

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<v Speaker 3>which was like the first time the black woman had

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<v Speaker 3>ever done that in theater. But can you what was

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<v Speaker 3>the what was your your actual process and hair in

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<v Speaker 3>that way?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well what happened was I've been in the show

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<v Speaker 4>for about a year and they had a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>different people coming into to do the lead role of Shield,

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<v Speaker 4>and they weren't happy with them, so they kept leaving.

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<v Speaker 4>And so one of the girls, one of the black girls,

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<v Speaker 4>excuse me to come, he'all, don't never let got play

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<v Speaker 4>out for would be great at it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you let Bill?

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<v Speaker 3>But why.

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<v Speaker 2>The same girl?

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<v Speaker 4>She was very loud mouth, big mouth young matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the parodies that she played, she played Abraham

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<v Speaker 4>Lincoln like the gettys Gettysburg Address, but like in rap

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<v Speaker 4>I had the birthday, the babe, the birthday to you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was something like that, very irreverent.

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<v Speaker 9>Wow, yeah we did. We did for production of Hair

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<v Speaker 9>when I was in high school. I played Hood.

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<v Speaker 10>So yes, we weren't mad Man, we weren't doing but

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<v Speaker 10>you know it was a very tone down version, but

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<v Speaker 10>you know we did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she pushed you in front of the bus

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<v Speaker 2>and then well what happens?

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<v Speaker 4>They I'd like the audition for so it rehearsed me

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<v Speaker 4>in in the role and a couple of different Saturday matinees.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me get up and try out for That's how

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<v Speaker 4>I got the role.

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<v Speaker 3>Mhm.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your first play or.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah I didn't. I had no theater background. Oh really, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>you know black people, there's musical.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, but I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Back in the day we were allowed to do anything.

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<v Speaker 11>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, so many legends came from that production.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like? Well, because I you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of my favorites that I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>listening to when I was a kid in the seventies, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't find out much about them. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 1>always heard about Ronnie Dyson and how incredible he was

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<v Speaker 1>as a singer, but you know, he really didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>that much press.

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<v Speaker 4>No, there was no press for black people during that

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<v Speaker 4>time except Jet magazine.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Besides Ronnie Dyson, was there anyone else notable that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was in there was similar? I'm trying to think of you,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben Vereen. Wait a minute, wow, Donna Summer?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? That right? I forgot Donosam. Okay, was it? How

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<v Speaker 1>long was it until what Pearly was? Immediately after?

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<v Speaker 4>Or immediately immediately because that same big Matt black girl, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I can say. Her name is Mary Davis. I always remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Mary said, you've been in this player a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>You just start going up the page. She said, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't even know how to audition. Why don't you just

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<v Speaker 4>see if you can learn how to audition. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>even know how to audition. And she told me about

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<v Speaker 4>auditions for Early and she told her out how to

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<v Speaker 4>do what they called type passing. I said, well, Mary,

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<v Speaker 4>horn is that? He said, Well, you learned something about

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<v Speaker 4>the character, and you try to look like the character.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course the character was a backwoods illiterate maid.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what that's who I was raised.

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<v Speaker 4>By because I had what we called a governess or nanny,

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<v Speaker 4>because my mother was a single parent. She was gone

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<v Speaker 4>and she was she was a backwoods cotton chopper. So

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<v Speaker 4>like most of Americans, we have two countries that we

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<v Speaker 4>identify as and.

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<v Speaker 2>So gun people's mine. Can you talk about those Pearly days?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry because I was just talking to my dad,

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<v Speaker 3>who comes from New York around that time and used

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<v Speaker 3>to party with y'all. You don't know him, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was saying that the parties around Pearly, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the lead dancers, who had two homes, one

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<v Speaker 3>for the artists, I think, and one for himself, was like,

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<v Speaker 3>just like you've never seen before early Pearly, the cast,

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<v Speaker 3>cast parties and whatnot and the good Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>They were great.

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<v Speaker 2>It is all you can say. Well, I could say more.

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<v Speaker 4>But perhaps I shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Should if you don't tell us, would never know the

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<v Speaker 3>history is all.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll tell you who was in the chorus. And he,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, showed me like what the tony went about

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<v Speaker 4>and told me that I had, you know, have a

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<v Speaker 4>formal gown with George. Yes you know he's crazy, Yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Love him. Yes, the choreographer of The Wiz.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody, yes, right, and Sherman Hensley.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, that's all you have to say.

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<v Speaker 1>We already we already heard about sermon because you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, he thought he was calming pray.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, wow, thought he was That's how it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all seem sometimes y'all just seem so much more freedom.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes in here we're just a little bit more uptight.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have a clue what I was doing, so

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<v Speaker 4>I was free.

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<v Speaker 2>Took about stage love stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I said, but what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? I know it was your second a this

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<v Speaker 2>ship your first audition, that's our first audition, my second.

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<v Speaker 1>So how how shocked were you to get uh A

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<v Speaker 1>Tony for Pearl.

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<v Speaker 4>I seen it on tape, but I don't remember half

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<v Speaker 4>of it because it was just too shocking. Wow, it's

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<v Speaker 4>too shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see what you wore, because I know it

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<v Speaker 2>was fierce.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in costume because we performed. I remember the

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<v Speaker 4>lights were on because you know it was television, so

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<v Speaker 4>I could see Pearl Bailey and Rex Harrison and these people.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what I did say, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>where are I supposed to be what the categories were,

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<v Speaker 4>so I thought he had already called my category. And

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<v Speaker 4>there was a gentleman. His name is an actor named

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<v Speaker 4>Jack Jones, and he was doing a lot of the

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<v Speaker 4>announcing and saying with categories. I was confused, but he

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<v Speaker 4>was always drunk.

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<v Speaker 9>You thought he had got it wrong. You thought he

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<v Speaker 9>was drunk, and he did get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, because he said somebody else's first name and my

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<v Speaker 4>last name.

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<v Speaker 7>The whole audience started knelling no, no, the more, no more.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, what's going on? You know, it was

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<v Speaker 4>shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, are your parents still with us at this point?

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<v Speaker 4>When you ring your tony yes?

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<v Speaker 2>What did they I mean, what did they think?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, my dad was really glad that he didn't insist

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<v Speaker 4>that I kept teaching school. I wasn't too happy about

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<v Speaker 4>the new scene and hair oh in that part, but

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<v Speaker 4>they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Their parents were more like fall back on something that's yes,

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<v Speaker 1>secure and not. I was about to say about this point,

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<v Speaker 1>do you at least have like a manager? Are you like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go full throttle and no, so you

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<v Speaker 1>just like I got lucky. I got one play and

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<v Speaker 1>then oh I gotten another play and I won this Tony.

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<v Speaker 4>So after that, I think I got an agent after that, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>because because then, you know, our television show came along.

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<v Speaker 4>I was working all the best supper clubs like the

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<v Speaker 4>Palmer House in Chicago and Waldorf Astoria in New York,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know these so they had to be negotiated, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I got an Asian then.

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<v Speaker 9>So explained that to us, like exactly when you say

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<v Speaker 9>a supper club, what was that type of entertainment?

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<v Speaker 4>Then you like, beautiful, fancy club. Let me see you

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<v Speaker 4>know the City Wineries, yes, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah yeah, city Winery.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we played City Winery.

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<v Speaker 2>Before something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Very class and very very you know. And you have dinner, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Have supper, you have dinner, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And you could have a big orchestra or small ensemble,

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<v Speaker 4>but the top entertainment.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, got it?

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<v Speaker 4>And you went down. Excuse me if you want to.

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<v Speaker 4>I love this business. I gotta tell you.

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<v Speaker 5>He loves you back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So your recording career, I knew that you got signed

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<v Speaker 1>and I think in the seventies, but I made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Buddha wasn't your first label, right, No.

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<v Speaker 4>Mercury was because I got that, I guess in the

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<v Speaker 4>early early seventies while I was still in Pearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was my first I look what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>to the man? I think that was what seventy one?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, because I got that as a result of

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<v Speaker 4>early I got and I got a recording offer as

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<v Speaker 4>a lead singer. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so even then, it's not like, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you get a record deal, surely by this point your

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<v Speaker 1>fully operational business, I should hope.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, not if you don't know the business.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, how can one navigate without well, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in today's terms. You know, it's like everything has

0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 1>to be in place, like your manager, your tour managers,

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:08.440
<v Speaker 1>your social media manager, your business manager. But back then,

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<v Speaker 1>it just none of that ever occurred.

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, I think it was more structured then than

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<v Speaker 4>it is now. You can almost be a one man

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<v Speaker 4>man now, and you know, to your own media or

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<v Speaker 4>you can because a lot of things that you can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of outsource might call it there. It was very

0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.240
<v Speaker 4>kind of a systematic, and especially being a black woman,

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<v Speaker 4>somebody had had to go before you negotiate these things.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the only reason I was even talked about

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<v Speaker 4>being allowed into these venues was because it became it

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<v Speaker 4>came through theater, which essentially it was white. Not essentially

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<v Speaker 4>it was white. I mean I remember seeing Patty Lebelle

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<v Speaker 4>on Tonightshell and then we're going to let her sit down,

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<v Speaker 4>but the people wouldn't let him let her go because

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<v Speaker 4>it's you know, systemic racism. So you have to have

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of management team to carry out in the office.

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<v Speaker 2>Cake.

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<v Speaker 4>You had to go through somebody, you know, because.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Still it's funny because I was sitting here thinking like,

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<v Speaker 3>but you came from a family full of musicians, but

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<v Speaker 3>yet and still they're black musicians. So business was never right.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not like you could look to them and

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<v Speaker 3>be like, well, what should I do when.

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<v Speaker 5>There's still a level of information that's held from us, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're still you're evolving because you're in a

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<v Speaker 3>place where they've never gone.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's like, precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's ill.

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<v Speaker 1>The one the one album in your your arsenal that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fond of is Peach Melbourne, which came out in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five. First of all, before I ask you anything,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta know during the height of lean on me

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<v Speaker 1>itis and not deal with this. Lean on me if

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<v Speaker 1>you were, if you were alive and awhere at the

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<v Speaker 1>time when the song was at its height in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>most people will know that you hold a note for

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa Good thirty seconds. I'll stay longer than longer than

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Withers singing day on Lovely Day. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>used to. I used to actually try to, and you

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<v Speaker 1>would do this song often. I've seen you doing on

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<v Speaker 1>the Tonight Show. I've seen you even when you did it,

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<v Speaker 1>when you did it live, you held a note longer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just never knew a person that could hold

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<v Speaker 1>one note for like almost fifty seconds. Did you? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you regret having to do that every time? Like I

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<v Speaker 1>almost felt like it was it was its own Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>comp like competition, like the duration of holding that note,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was fun and for.

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<v Speaker 4>Me it was an athletic activity. It was something that

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<v Speaker 4>was It wasn't always there everything that I'm able to do.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like I had to work twenty five times

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<v Speaker 4>harder than other singers. I had to go jump, rope, boat,

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 4>swim dog, you know, and do my vocal study, holler

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.399
<v Speaker 4>and scream and yell and everything, and then after a

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:22.400
<v Speaker 4>while the stamina due to the point where one day

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 4>I remember I was singing this song tim every Mountain

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 4>for some little group in a nursing home in some

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 4>way I don't know right, and I took one of

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 4>the big, big, big breath and I said, you know,

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 4>let it out, and it kind of went over across

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 4>the room. You know, it's through travel. And I was

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.360
<v Speaker 4>strong enough so that I was standing there holding it,

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.159
<v Speaker 4>but I wasn't so conscious that I was doing it,

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 4>and I said, only wait, that's me. So I kept

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 4>holding it. I said, well, I wonder if I could

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 4>always do that when I started to develop stamina to

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 4>do it. And it's just to become something that I'm

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 4>so grateful for. I'm happy about it. Now I understand,

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 4>like I can't.

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Eat everything and do this. That's why what I call.

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 4>It, let it activity. Now. I can't go and handle Daniels.

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 4>I can't handle no fried chicken.

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>What? So what is what is? What is your h

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>regiment as far as keeping your your your your muscle intact,

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 1>because again, to hold it for that strong and that

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>much vibrato over forty seconds is not normal. I thought

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>it was cheating. Method where you know.

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 4>Somebody, somebody says circular breathing. I said, I'm not an.

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought you were circular breathing because you know,

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 1>we know and what do you yell at the end

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 1>of the song?

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh youse?

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 1>That was tough, like what are you talking in tons?

0:26:58.400 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Like what?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I never knew what you yell at the end.

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Of that was the whole topic. And I forget what

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 3>show we were doing, but we talked about that.

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the last times that I've been doing it's

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 4>evolving to make it so, it's make it come.

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Okay when you're a five year old listening to that,

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were doing some sort of taekwon do

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I never heard of before.

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 3>I do want to hear the answer to that question, though,

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 3>because you never what is your prep when it comes

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 3>to your voice?

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 4>A lot of baked chicken, you know, or you lean protein.

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 4>I know you think chicken is a gospel bird, but

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 4>it is.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, what because I just thought you were gonna say

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 12>no dairy or okay, well, no dairy, yeah, okay, yeah,

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 12>no fried foods, no oil, you know, no what.

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:55.199
<v Speaker 2>A lot of fish?

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Vegetables.

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 4>But then I got to work out and I think

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 4>the swimming hell mm hm hmm. I've always loved swimming,

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 4>and I thought it was a scorpion water scign.

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>It's not, is it. No? They walking on the on

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the desert, so well, I'll be walking to.

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm in mountains. Aerobic exercises thing, but make you breathe hard.

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 4>It build up the lung capacity.

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 9>I was curious to know the producer for Peach Melbourne

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 9>was Eugene McDaniels and to hip hop to my generation,

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 9>he means something totally different.

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 5>But what was it like working with him?

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 9>I've never really heard stories of you know, what he

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 9>was like in the studio and his you know, creative process.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 5>What was what was that like?

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't stay with him and his wife and his home,

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 4>come to California Hills and so I'm very what do

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 4>you call it, I'm affected by my environment? And he

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 4>looked way up and was probably sitting, So I was affected.

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 4>I sound to me on that pitched album, I sound

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 4>different or like, I mean another zone. That's Jamie Jangles

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 4>to me is like.

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>That were you were you aware of his kind of

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>his at least at the time in seventy five is

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:27.959
<v Speaker 1>controversial political zeros, Yeah, like stance with the government. I

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>know that the story was that when his second album

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>came out, Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse, Spiritual Agnew kind

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of placed a call to I'm at Ertigan and kind

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>of had him blackballed, you know, had his musician's union

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>card revoked.

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Cool.

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 1>So thus he was kind of left to make a

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>living as a singer songwriter. So this he worked on

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 1>your record, roberta Flex Blue Lights in the Basement, Like.

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh the what did he lean on the side of

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Was he the big C word?

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, no, no, not even that. I think just

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was rare for an artist to just

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you know the way that we call out the government

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>now on Twitter, Instagram, Like his albums were Twitter. You

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>just didn't hear of black people like just blatantly call

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the government's you know, liars or that stuff. And he

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>had it in for Nixon to the point that you know,

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the Nixon administration just did all they could to silence him,

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and he couldn't. He lost his record deal, so you

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>know him not if he didn't write that's the time

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like making love to you then that would

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>have been that would have been curtains for him. But

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he produced people in the meantime. They couldn't

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>stop him from producing other people. So I just wanted

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>to know, like just as a as a human being,

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>like was he kind of bitter what the government was

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>doing to him?

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Or he just I never heard.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 4>Him speak anything about his politics. That's what I thought.

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 4>He was kind of, you know, kind of theory like

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 4>me sweet and gentle and okay, you know, but he

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 4>was No. I didn't know anything about his pologies for

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 4>actually it.

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So were you aware that at the time

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>when you made the record? Did you meet the kids

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that did Sunshine Superman with you? I didn't. I'm certain

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that people have reminded you that Wendy Melvoy of Wendy

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and Lisa Prince in the Revolution and her twin sister

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Susannah were the background singers on Sunshine Superman. So I

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>probably knew it, but here at the time. Okay, I

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>see you. Also, at least two albums later, you worked

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>with Van McCoy. I know he produced the This Is

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Hit record? What was what was that?

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Like? He put me in disco?

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say how can you describe what it's like. Two,

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>every every artist I see that was recording in the seventies,

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>disco was more like a kind of like that film

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>and Louise Mountain Jump, like can we make it to

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the other side or are we going to fall underground?

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Like what were your thoughts on on conquering that? And

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I know Neil Bouregart was your was your

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>president at the time, Like what was he like? As

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>not not much as said about Neil boorg Art's time

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>at at Buddha and at Casablanca. I know that a

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of his artists were like, you know, colorful, and

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>he really I guess you could say he was like

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the original Diddy, almost to the point where he was

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>just as famous as his artist was.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.959
<v Speaker 4>H I met him, I knew who he was, and

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 4>he was very, very famous, But I really didn't have

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 4>an awful lot to do with it because by that

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 4>time I had good management. So they were the ones

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 4>that actually went out and got Van and they and

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 4>the label got Van McCoy for me m hm and

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 4>put us together. Then then he and I, you know,

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 4>worked on what we were going to do and try

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 4>to establish and be as an recording artist and helped

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 4>me develop a style and you know, an identity I

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 4>didn't have. Yes, I had the note. Then what I

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 4>was interested in Van McCoy for. I mean, he gave

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 4>me this is Zip, which put me into the disco

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 4>or the dance dan genre. But I knew he had

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 4>written me in on me ah and the reason I'm

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 4>so he wrote me Yeah, that's so weird.

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine Van McCoy writing any non uptempo.

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 4>He wrote lots of ballads, is very prolific songwriter.

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>So that's how it reached you.

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, no, yes, but no. I had heard my favorite

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 4>artist this a Rutha Franklin singing and I know I

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 4>couldn't sing like her, but the lyrics and everything just

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 4>moved me so much I started singing it. So I

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 4>developed my own little arrangement of it with the long note.

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 4>And I think the long note came in there because

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.439
<v Speaker 4>I was just so excited and so trying so hard

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 4>to express something. And then once it had presented itself

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 4>and I came in in contact and touch with so

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 4>in the court, I made him do my arrangement me.

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you also worked with McFadden and Whitehead. I'm a Philadelphian,

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>so like any of those guys that are in the

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:22.439
<v Speaker 1>arsenal of under the umbrella of Gamble and Huff and

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Mixter Wanzel and you know Tom Molton, like all all

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>those guys under the Philly umbrella. What was it? What

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>was it like working with McFadden and Whitehead? Let me see, well,

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>they produced the Portrait of Melbourne album.

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I told you what it was like working with

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 4>Sherman Henson.

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, I guess you did.

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 4>It was like that, Yes, good times, they were crazy.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 4>I've heard stories, especially Whitehead.

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 5>Really wow Philly.

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean if he walked.

0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 4>Out on the streets, strange things happened.

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>How strange? Did you record that in Philadelphia? Was it

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>recorded in New York?

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>In New York?

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 4>Okay, we kind of stole them from a Philly International.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Matter of fact, we were managing our company, Hush Production.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 4>We're managing Jean and John and so we were the

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 4>ones that produced them or managed them to do you know,

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 4>stopping us Now, it wasn't Philly an International.

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>You better tell that story.

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait a minute, yeah you can't just casually like.

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:37.919
<v Speaker 2>You better tell it. It's more.

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, kind of borrowed them.

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>So you see hush production started in nineteen seventy six.

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Well you remember the years it hadn't been around that

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 4>time here.

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I only knew of I only started hearing of

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the term hush productions closer to you, like your capital,

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 1>but I never knew when it when it started. So

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>you got you and your husband got into management.

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 4>I could have a manager because I didn't have a

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 4>manager still yet at a certain point, I had an asient.

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 4>But by that time I had already lost my career

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 4>for the first time.

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>By this point, Uh yeah, yeah, that's that's unusual for

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>an artist to start a manager at least you don't

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>hear of that in the seventies, like it was like

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a separation of church and states. Like artists were artists

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and CEOs were CEOs, So what right?

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>That was?

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 4>What wasn't That was the case with me. But I've

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:43.720
<v Speaker 4>a husband was a gifted and was a gifted business person,

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 4>and when we met, we started. We tried to find

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 4>a manager for me, but everybody told me it was

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 4>she's brought, but she can't do this, she can't do that.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 4>I started in the record industry as a backup, saying

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 4>but so my point is that everything that they said

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.919
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't do had already done. So instead of having

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 4>a stable of artists, we started a stable of managers.

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm brilliant.

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.839
<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, So once we got me started, then we

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 4>got Freddy and Kashif and you know, a whole bunch

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 4>of people.

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I was wondering what your roster looked like? Can you

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 3>can you brag some more with wils was on the roster?

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Let me see some.

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 4>More Agan.

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>All the capital Bo Higgins or Huggins, Huggins, I remember

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Bo Huggins, I remember?

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 5>Or summer was that you guys?

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.439
<v Speaker 4>It was a record company, lady.

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned Thomas.

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 4>Paul Enforced, m DS Force and D's.

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 2>And Paul Lawrence to Lawrence from the Ages. Now I

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>see how the rain came together.

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had some music that you then.

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 5>What was what was? Because she like he was always

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 5>one of those guys that I just really.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 9>You know, admired, and you know we I had a

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 9>music class in college and they made us read like

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 9>his book, you know, everything you know about.

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 5>The business, and she yeah, what was what was? What

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 5>was he like?

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 4>As a as a well we became well his daughter

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 4>and his wife and I became real good friends because

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 4>we for the recording studio in our little building at

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 4>two thirty one west of the Ah Street, and when

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 4>she would come, he would record the stuff in our studio. Well,

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 4>you said, what was he like?

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Well, it was like a vocal coach mmkay.

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 4>And the way he stacked the background voices almost like

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 4>you take individual sounds and singers and you put them

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 4>in different places, not like a background. But he structured everything.

0:39:55.000 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 4>And he he was, I guess, uh, affectionist. And we'll

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 4>go over one phrase all day. So you all got it.

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I said, good, I'm.

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Gonna get this. I'm gonna learn how to sing.

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 5>Bet.

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I was fine with me. You know, I'm a student.

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm a teacher. They're gonna have patience with me to

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 4>like get it.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So you're not one of those singers that is like okay,

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 1>three takes and I feel like it's enough, so let's

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>move on.

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 4>And no, the more I do it, the better I get.

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see under that under that production unit. So

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys managed to conceived. Did you guys also manage

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>like uh, well no, there was uh, there was Ronnie

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Harris as well.

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, with your nat Ronnie.

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ronnie Harris like a bunch of like Tri State

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>guys that I know that were kind of under the

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>were they under like Cashief's tutelage or because he had

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>a very Vronnie.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 4>Was his own and the team was parallel.

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Another okay, another.

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I see yeah, like for me, especially the the about

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to say somewhere with it, the other side of the

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Rainbow album, that's probably yeah, one of my favorite records.

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 5>That was the one. My aunt used to play that

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 5>record all the time. I was. I think that was

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 5>like three when that came out, But I remember the

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 5>one with.

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>The art is uh you think of Melbourne?

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Did you?

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I think did you specifically work with I just have

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>one question about the seventy eight record because I know

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I knew you did a cover of you Stepped into

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>My Life? The b specifically write that for you?

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Or instead.

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 1>The begs wrote that for you?

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:57.800
<v Speaker 4>No, No, that was I forgot that the album? Was

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 4>it done well? All those songs up from Saturn it Saturday?

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>She might Eman might have done it. Someone else did it,

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know who did it first. First Okay,

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I see.

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Do you get anything?

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Every time d Nice plays that record because he plays

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 3>that record and I hear it in my dreams.

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Thank you that us. It's like a new record. I

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>love it.

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 4>D nice and all your deep days, you're gonna make

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 4>us relevant.

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah good, I'm hoping that you was okay good? So

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it does matter. It does matter, okay.

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, because you know, God keeps me. Don't get too religious, bodes.

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.479
<v Speaker 4>God keeps doing, you know, new things, at least every

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 4>decade or so, and he changes it. And so you've

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 4>got to change the context. You gotta change the neighborhood.

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.879
<v Speaker 4>I can't do that. I'm not even a songwater mm

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 4>hm oh.

0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:58.760
<v Speaker 2>DJs.

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 4>First of all, you used to just spend records. Now

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 4>that's grown into their songwriters, producers, You promote shows. You

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 4>created a genre, so you have some autonomy, you have

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 4>some authority, and you you have created a well, yeah,

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 4>a community, a beat days and I'm not saying it's

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 4>all black but sweet, So we have some place to

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 4>be like in the early days, especially since somebody like me,

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 4>my opportunities came through theater soul racist. But what they

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 4>try to get you to do and you wanted to

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 4>do was a crossover. But if you do that, you

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 4>leave your community and they try to convince you don't

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 4>belong here, you don't belong there. Well it was too late,

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 4>thank god for that to being convinced that. So then

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, we try to get a manager. And when

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 4>we couldn't do it, then we said, okay, well won't

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 4>we tried it. You've done theory, you've done TV, you've

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.840
<v Speaker 4>done this. So we got somebody from each of those

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 4>areas and then said, okay, what kind of music we're

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 4>going to do. So and like I said, my then

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:24.240
<v Speaker 4>husband is gifted a business, so nobody taught him business.

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 4>If you learned it, just like many of us have

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 4>centered people, you didn't get a chance to go get it,

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 4>get taught it. Then you learn it some kind of way.

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 4>You learn it. You know, you have to learn how

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 4>things go and create a space for yourself. And you know,

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 4>they call it r and you put it in the

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 4>back on the corner, and that turns out to be

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:50.240
<v Speaker 4>the foundation of American music. Anyway, that's my humble opinion

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 4>right now.

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 5>Don't be humbled about it. It's true.

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>There's one question I missed before we skipped to uh Becashi.

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I always wanted to know this, so you worked with

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 1>another legendary producer, Peter Pete Bai. Yeah, I guess, uh, well,

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know at least what was the decision

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 1>in getting him? People a lot they did, uh, like

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his music, like between him and Georgio

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>or Moro, Like those guys were like into like teat

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 1>your electronic past that I mean, what what we now

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 1>know is like electronic music, Like those guys were pushing

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Well they were German producers, so sort in line of

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>what crap work was doing and all that stuff. What

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>was it like working with him? That was the decision

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to sort of go into sort of like a futuristic

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.800
<v Speaker 1>dance mode or like what was it like working with him?

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.839
<v Speaker 4>Well? Yes, because we were trying to stay current and

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 4>once again, like I said, my husband went out and

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 4>found the songwriters and producers who irrelevant for the time

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.439
<v Speaker 4>and seeing where things were going and could we fit

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 4>into it, they decided they would work with me, and

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 4>so I co wrote a lot of the songs that

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 4>we did together because by then we told me I

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 4>should learn how to write.

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, you get your money out, yeah the money.

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 4>Guess he was trying to teach me that here so

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:21.879
<v Speaker 4>did you.

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I felt like you made the transition to the eighties.

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>It was for a lot of artists, it was hard

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>transitioning to the eighties. But of course with you know,

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:37.879
<v Speaker 1>you work with with Paul Lawrence and Kashif and and

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 1>all those cats, those New York Cats or Jersey New

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>York Cats. Just what was the what was the environment

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>like at the time, because also like uh, you know,

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 1>there's there's Lala, There's like so many, so many of

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>these greats that are in the what R and B

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>was at the time. What I what I say is

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>with with at least the style of Kashif was him

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:10.399
<v Speaker 1>being kind of instrumental on the sound of boogie, which

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.359
<v Speaker 1>is you know, post disco kind of the sound that

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 1>uh Leon Silver's ushered in, like that boogie sound. Could

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you explain what the environment in the early eighties was

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>like in New York as far as like that whole

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.280
<v Speaker 1>cruise concerned Freddy Jackson, La La like all those people.

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh, of course I may be, you know, particularly actually

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 4>describing it was so much fun. It was on the musical.

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 4>It was like you were exploring a place where everything

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 4>functioned and worked, probably because we were in charge and

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 4>you could negotiate with the record company. I didn't. I

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.879
<v Speaker 4>didn't mine then husband did. It was good at it.

0:47:53.920 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 4>So we were touring. We were sending up and mean artists.

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 4>It's always fresh downs. And I mean, I'm a musician,

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 4>so I mean that that was like being in heaven.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 4>We have fun. We liked each other. You know, we

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 4>have no problems. It was great. And then you know,

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:17.399
<v Speaker 4>there was no lack of money or or or work.

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 4>It was wonderful. I was happy, but my baby was

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:23.439
<v Speaker 4>was you know. I just I was a new mother.

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 9>Do you is there is your former husband? He's still alive.

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 9>Him and his brother, they're still alive. Okay, are y'all

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:34.280
<v Speaker 9>on good terms or how is it that relationship?

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Now?

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 5>Y'all good?

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 4>That we're family? Hey, you get religious, but God creates us.

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 4>So I want to, you know, suck up to the balls.

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 4>I see and our daughter is happy and you know,

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 4>coming into her own So yeah.

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 2>He's got an eighties baby.

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like, okay, what was the story in developing?

0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 6>Uh?

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Freddy Jackson? Like I feel like of your stadium. He

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:07.760
<v Speaker 1>was definitely your your breakout artist. How did you discovery?

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 4>I told you by Sherman Henslady too as a party.

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.839
<v Speaker 4>That's how it was. I remember one time we were

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 4>in the studio and he was going to come around

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 4>to my house, you know, for a break, just you

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 4>know a little bit.

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 2>So I got dressed up.

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 4>I forgot what I had on, but I had to

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 4>get him, you know.

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 11>So so I opened the door and it was so

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:44.359
<v Speaker 11>he was so shocked he fell down on the uh

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.240
<v Speaker 11>the hallway floor laughing.

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I said, now, what was the outfit? Do you remember?

0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:58.840
<v Speaker 4>I forgot? It was some crazy I don't know. Nobody

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 4>else would see this but know him and me?

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:06.280
<v Speaker 3>Where is Freddie Jackson from from of course, oh that's

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.280
<v Speaker 3>that's too much, okay, all right.

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 4>But but he likes to keep it and Doug's he's

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:14.800
<v Speaker 4>a darker. He could probably do stand up if you

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 4>wanted to. That's his real personality, was laughing. And of

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 4>course you know he could sing anything you can hear, right, So.

0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Wait, I'm gonna ask you can I just asked the

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 3>question that some of the eighties babies might want to know.

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I don't know this is touchy, but.

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Were he and Luther as question that beef? Because we

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 3>grew up thinking it was beef.

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, like, in my mind, I

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>felt like there's some pot biggie.

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 11>Going on.

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>He was going to be the king of the hill, don't.

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 4>I don't think they were friends, but I think it

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 4>was just like a lively uh friendly competition, especially on

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 4>Freddie's part, m because Luther was the man. Luther is

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:04.839
<v Speaker 4>the man.

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mini has his own spot.

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah true that you sure everybody would want to aspire

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.320
<v Speaker 4>to that. But that's just my humble opinion because I

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 4>don't really know.

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 9>What was the relationship, like with with you with like

0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 9>Hush and Capital.

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 5>I remember I was watching two years back.

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.400
<v Speaker 9>I think I was watching Freddy's Unsung and he was

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:30.800
<v Speaker 9>talking about how his records were like going crazy, and

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 9>the people at Capital didn't They had no idea, Like

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 9>they didn't even They were just so unaware of what

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 9>was going on in black music at that time that

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.400
<v Speaker 9>when his record kind of took off, it, you know,

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 9>they weren't prepared for it.

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 5>They weren't prepared.

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't only what was going on in black music.

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Our company became really uh and I jumped to the

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 4>record company. We were the ones that started.

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 5>Street promotions with the gotcha.

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:59.360
<v Speaker 4>And actually working your own record in your your own areas,

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 4>and your own marketing people and your own salespeople.

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 5>Got you.

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:10.840
<v Speaker 4>You know when we're going to say, when we give.

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<v Speaker 1>You a hit, do you find that that it's harder,

0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:22.440
<v Speaker 1>harder to be both artist and artist manager. Yes, it

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:27.239
<v Speaker 1>involves a lot of babysitting and Jedi mind tricks and yeah,

0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>but you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what, I think, I'm naturally a mentor, so I

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 4>can't manage. That's his whole skill that I don't really have,

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 4>and I don't think I have a real great interest

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 4>in it. But I'm always interested in showing you and

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 4>opening the way. Like for instance, we took Freddy on

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 4>the road with me and he was my opening act.

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 4>I didn't let him open for me. I put him

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of my show and introduce people Tom

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 4>and set him as soon as he starts saying, you're

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.840
<v Speaker 4>gonna start screaming, so I'm gonna tell you who he

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.360
<v Speaker 4>is now famous Freddy. Put him in the middle of

0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 4>my show instead of trying to make him they're all

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 4>black share when you're first trying to get out there. Yeah,

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 4>So naturally, I think a mentor I'm not a manager.

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 9>Now, and that is a different there's a distinction. I

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 9>understand exactly what you mean. That makes sense.

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 3>I have a lot of other thingers been coming to

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:16.760
<v Speaker 3>you for, like mentorships throughout the years. I was curious

0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 3>about that, especially with all the with the voice stuff

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:21.479
<v Speaker 3>were I.

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 4>Think they don't come to me because you know, I

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 4>have a team of people and they deal with everything,

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 4>and so they don't come to me. But whenever I

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 4>have an opportunity, thank god, people are interested interviews. People

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:33.600
<v Speaker 4>want to know, well, how do you do this? And

0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 4>how what would you tell somebody else? And so in

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 4>that that way I can I can offer you know,

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 4>information with suggestions even better.

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:50.359
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned, uh, Melissa Morgan was also part of that stable, correct, Yeah,

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 1>again these are I'm just asking because again, like there's

0:53:55.960 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>just a period between eighty two to probably ninety two

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:02.879
<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of artists that you know, there wasn't

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 1>social media out back then. There wasn't anything unless they

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>were in Jet Soul train or ride on magazine you

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 1>really didn't know or ebony, you really didn't know about them.

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 1>What was Melissa like in working? How did she become

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:21.720
<v Speaker 1>part of the stable.

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:26.759
<v Speaker 4>Once again, Hush signed her as an artist, and so

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 4>their relationship with her was with her. But Melissa and

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 4>I have become friends and well, what can I say?

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 4>She likes me, so, I mean when I had difficult times,

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:46.279
<v Speaker 4>she's what.

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Now do you need a ride?

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 5>Wow?

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I help you? You know, where do you go? And

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.239
<v Speaker 4>you called the find out and see how I am?

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:01.439
<v Speaker 4>And whatever? We just spent you know, and we've we've

0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 4>done some shows together now that I have no manager,

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:10.919
<v Speaker 4>and you know, we can do shows ourselves and say

0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.440
<v Speaker 4>who we want to be with. We often work together.

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 4>We've been in okay, a lot.

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, I do in you know what, when when

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the when the when the iron was hot in that

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 1>period in the eighties, did you think about making uh

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:33.799
<v Speaker 1>a return to your other to the other arenas that

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you were in as far as like you're acting and

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>plays and whatnot.

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, yes, I I made my then husband put Pearly

0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:49.320
<v Speaker 4>on videotape. Okay, well the only thing I've seen on video.

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure the others it's Hamilton since then, because it's

0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 4>still not a common thing for people to do.

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so there was unusual back then. Wait, would

0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:03.799
<v Speaker 1>you involved with the what was your involvement in all right,

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 1>this is a deep one. Are you guys familiar with

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Death by Temptation?

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 9>Wait, yes, wait wait all Over You by Freddy Jackson.

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:15.360
<v Speaker 5>That was the joint. But it was the joint with

0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 5>kadem Hardistan and Building, yes.

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 1>And James the third on the He created that. Ye

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:28.640
<v Speaker 1>oh wait, he created Death by Tentation Okay, yes, he wrote.

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 4>And produce that, well, we produced it was to.

0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 1>Say, were you the producer of the film as well?

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Or yes? Okay?

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 9>You know what was that like stepping into film and

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 9>like producing your own film?

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:43.720
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's a lot we were because we started.

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 4>To learn how to try to promote it and get

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 4>it into theaters, and so I started to get into that.

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:52.479
<v Speaker 4>But my whole relationship with my husband and and hush

0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.319
<v Speaker 4>production broke down shortly after that.

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.120
<v Speaker 5>Oh man, what what led to the breakdown? In your opinion?

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I should say not with not.

0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 2>That, not with the daughters sitting there. She's like, Mama, Mama.

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 4>I love you.

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I can already hear it. Field, let me ask because

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:15.360
<v Speaker 2>we're in the nineties now, But.

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:18.640
<v Speaker 4>But literally that, you know, trying to be uh men,

0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 4>are ways and be better.

0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's such a different place now. And I

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 4>think because of the COVID and everything around the world stopping,

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.040
<v Speaker 4>we do have a chance to start over. And maybe

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 4>the playing field will never be even, but we've all

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 4>grown so much we have a chance to try to

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 4>start over.

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 5>So trying to really do that, that's real, that's fact.

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 3>But that period is when you credit like things went

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 3>bad and then because I think you said something early

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 3>on where you were like, my my career fell, it

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:51.480
<v Speaker 3>fell down, or something like that, and then you that

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 3>was you said that was the first time, so you

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 3>can reckon.

0:57:54.480 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 4>Right, that was that was before this time? We now, okay, okay, Well,

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 4>one thing I've gotten very good at is falling and

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 4>getting back up.

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 2>That's it is, it is.

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:10.840
<v Speaker 4>But you got to work out. See you got to be.

0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.920
<v Speaker 5>Now you look amazing, like you've really I wasn't.

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Gonna be in your business, but I was about to

0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 3>ask about your moisturizing.

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 5>I was.

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Because you said, you know, you know, I was like,

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 3>is that not for the fried foods? If I didn't

0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 3>eat fried foods, is that what I would end uble?

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 4>Looking like that?

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Can you can she answer that? Daughter? Yes, okay,

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting.

0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, massages and heat and my screams and stuff,

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, and masks and and exercise the face and

0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 4>exorcise you know, like exorcism.

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, because my mother always said you supposed to do

0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 3>I oh and all.

0:58:58.120 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 4>Like you have to exercise it.

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, people don't know that. Okay, so that's real. Yeah. Yeah,

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 2>like a mere you got to so you know, black

0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.440
<v Speaker 2>don't crack. But it could rust, you know what I'm saying.

0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you had to take the little forms of rust sometime,

0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 4>you know.

0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 3>But can we can we talk about nineteen eighty seven

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 3>because is that when lay miss?

0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 2>When did they miss?

0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:24.160
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, that's no, the miss was I thought it

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 4>was later?

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Was it later?

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I think it was.

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:28.720
<v Speaker 4>I think it was little because.

0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Or ninety nineteen ninety, Well it was.

0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:35.560
<v Speaker 4>Around that time because that's the times. And then I

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 4>lost my family and hush and all of that, and

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 4>I really was homeless.

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, But I never.

0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 4>Heard of Michael Matthews.

0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:48.000
<v Speaker 5>Michael Michael Matthews.

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, we want to know.

0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, he created the gospel musical that Tyler Perry has

0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:01.920
<v Speaker 4>taken to the Lanks that he has Okay, the first

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 4>one to Tyler, do No, Michael Matthews did the first one.

1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what.

1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm the very first gospel. Okay, gospel pioneered the gospel part.

1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.760
<v Speaker 4>Yes, he pioneered it. And what he did was he

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:17.160
<v Speaker 4>went to the churches around the major cities that have

1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:21.919
<v Speaker 4>black populations and he sold to them. So that's that's

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 4>why we have gospel plates because they're from there. The

1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:29.960
<v Speaker 4>audiences were the church. And so by the time I

1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 4>met Michael, I was just about to be evicted. Uh

1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:37.240
<v Speaker 4>my daughter had run away and didn't know where she

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.960
<v Speaker 4>was because of all the trouble was going on. I

1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:44.320
<v Speaker 4>uh found out that that I was divorced and I

1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 4>had to go figure out all that stuff. But uh,

1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:51.000
<v Speaker 4>Michael had called me and invited me to come out

1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 4>to Saint Louis. It was he was doing one of

1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:55.280
<v Speaker 4>its plates and it's this.

1:00:55.480 --> 1:01:00.400
<v Speaker 6>Huge, like two thousand seater, three thousand theater theater. There

1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.320
<v Speaker 6>was jan pat None of the black people knew whose churches,

1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.360
<v Speaker 6>so he know he learned he out how to market.

1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:10.439
<v Speaker 4>The churches and fill him up every day of the week.

1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.280
<v Speaker 4>And so what he did then he said these incredible

1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:18.800
<v Speaker 4>actors and singers that he had put into the shows

1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:23.000
<v Speaker 4>and musicians. That's where Mary and Mary came from.

1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:27.640
<v Speaker 6>Oh wow, you know they're mad, right, you're ridiculous.

1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, and the one of them that's married to the

1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:33.640
<v Speaker 4>piano player. He was a piano player from Mark, not

1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:40.640
<v Speaker 4>Warren Campbell Canty. But to give you the and I

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:42.680
<v Speaker 4>give the quality of the music and what we were

1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:48.439
<v Speaker 4>doing with what was raw, and I came out to start.

1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:52.800
<v Speaker 4>He was bringing stars into those incredible companies.

1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Which they do.

1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, So actually that's how it really began. To

1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:05.080
<v Speaker 4>learn how to sing gospel because I'm like but opera though,

1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:09.680
<v Speaker 4>well no, I s opera. I was born doing that.

1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:11.560
<v Speaker 4>I had to learn how to sing the hospital.

1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay wow verse reverse?

1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:17.760
<v Speaker 4>What was what was the question?

1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I was asking about le mis?

1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:25.160
<v Speaker 4>But oh okay, So so I was telling you about that.

1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:27.120
<v Speaker 2>But then I didn't have anything.

1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:30.800
<v Speaker 4>So I was trying to write a play where I

1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:32.720
<v Speaker 4>could be the star so I could get up and

1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:37.800
<v Speaker 4>get some work. But Richard J. Alexander, who casts the

1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:41.040
<v Speaker 4>miss A Rob was in this little town called Hollywood, Florida.

1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:43.440
<v Speaker 4>He came to see my play and he didn't know

1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:46.080
<v Speaker 4>I could see classical music because you don't sing classical

1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:51.520
<v Speaker 4>in parly right, it would be great for them. That's

1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:52.080
<v Speaker 4>how I got it.

1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:58.240
<v Speaker 1>You know you mentioned you mentioned something earlier that I

1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:02.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask. So, you know, in twenty twenty, a

1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:08.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of people in our profession and entertainment, especially in March,

1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm one of them, was definitely panicking because you know,

1:03:14.800 --> 1:03:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of artists didn't know if they were coming

1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:19.360
<v Speaker 1>or going. You know, this is how I make my

1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:24.280
<v Speaker 1>living and you know that. So I personally went through

1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:29.600
<v Speaker 1>about a good six to seven weeks of just straight

1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:33.240
<v Speaker 1>up like panicking, I'm about to lose everything. But you know,

1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:36.920
<v Speaker 1>so I will say that it takes a steady mind

1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:43.240
<v Speaker 1>to navigate yourself out of that situation. How were you

1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:48.320
<v Speaker 1>able to the first the first time around when you

1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:53.040
<v Speaker 1>were about to lose everything and sort of not knowing

1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:56.919
<v Speaker 1>where your career was going to go? Like what how

1:03:57.000 --> 1:04:00.320
<v Speaker 1>is your mind state in that keeping slowan state daddy

1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:04.360
<v Speaker 1>to get to agree in or pastor if you will,

1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:08.040
<v Speaker 1>or a safer space that you could still be And

1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:14.120
<v Speaker 1>like how how were you able to to mentally overcome that.

1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:15.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I overpayment.

1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I was calm and settled. I was depressed.

1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:23.560
<v Speaker 4>I was oppressed, repressed, it was desperate.

1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I believe you overcame it because you're here

1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:29.800
<v Speaker 1>speaking with us, yeah, right now, and you were you know,

1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:34.440
<v Speaker 1>yeah so. But just at the time, what I was

1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:37.600
<v Speaker 1>saying was that after two months of just oh man,

1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna, I gonna, I'm gonna time I lose everything

1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and we'll lose everything, then I just had to stop,

1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:46.080
<v Speaker 1>sit silent and restart all over again.

1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:47.200
<v Speaker 6>You have to.

1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.320
<v Speaker 4>You have to. There's really nothing else you can do.

1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:54.320
<v Speaker 4>But I'll tell you the part of I've always had

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<v Speaker 4>help when people who came to my aid, even going

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<v Speaker 4>through the Grand Sister's station, people me a hand money.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I was embarrassing and a shameful because they

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<v Speaker 4>knew my story. But people came to my aid. And

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<v Speaker 4>one of the things I guess is out standing for

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<v Speaker 4>me about going on the road with Michael Matthews and

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<v Speaker 4>the the the Gospel shows is they really were saved people.

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<v Speaker 4>Well they did, as I found out. I would say,

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<v Speaker 4>he invited me to come out on the road. But

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<v Speaker 4>I remember the first rehearsal what's Steek's last name? John

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<v Speaker 4>Jackson just good morning, says pays the Lord. Everybody that said,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my God on the back because I met around me,

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<v Speaker 4>so I was cussing, you know. Oh, and you know

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<v Speaker 4>and Michael, they would pray beforehand, and sometimes I would

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<v Speaker 4>be just so.

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<v Speaker 2>Broken.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure I didn't inquire anything I was because I

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<v Speaker 4>was too No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just sit there.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was somebody would come and sit by me,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe coming to my room and just be with me.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know how to talk, and I know I

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<v Speaker 4>was spiritually oriented. To be dropped into that. Then you

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<v Speaker 4>kind of discover what's going on and what is saving you.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, Charlie Wilson, right, his brother Rodney Wilson

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<v Speaker 4>was was on on the road and we used to

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<v Speaker 4>call him Elebition. Well he's hilarious, but saved people. This

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<v Speaker 4>is what they do, this is how they live. And

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<v Speaker 4>of course all the shows were about family in different situations,

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<v Speaker 4>some of them kind of raw, but the whole point

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<v Speaker 4>was you need Jesus. But that's really what I am

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<v Speaker 4>and who I am. What happens is I can go

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<v Speaker 4>back and tell you some of these incidents is that

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<v Speaker 4>it never occurred me to do anything harmful to myself.

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<v Speaker 4>But I wasn't numb. I couldn't think or figuring anything.

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<v Speaker 4>But someone always came and said, what about this, well,

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<v Speaker 4>how about this? Well you need this, you know, or

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<v Speaker 4>like like I could didn't know what was going on

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<v Speaker 4>with me, as it turned out. That's why I know

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<v Speaker 4>there's you know, no coincidences or accidents. He put me

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<v Speaker 4>on the road with him just when I was going

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<v Speaker 4>to get invicted and I had filed bankruptcy, so I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't even have a bank account, but he paid me

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<v Speaker 4>seven thousand dollars cash every week. My only problem was

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<v Speaker 4>I was going married and the favor back, especially with

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<v Speaker 4>all them singles.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, but that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when you and you. It was my first

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<v Speaker 4>time going on a tour, any kind of a tour.

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<v Speaker 4>You're riding along the highway and you know, travel tour

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<v Speaker 4>buses and the bus driver he praised before we go there,

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<v Speaker 4>serious about it, and just just an amazing presence. I

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<v Speaker 4>can only say it's the presence of God. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>However you can describe it or I'm not so good

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<v Speaker 4>at describing it all the time, but I know you

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<v Speaker 4>just are and you're not by yourself. You might think

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<v Speaker 4>you are.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it you're not actually speaking of which I

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<v Speaker 1>totally forgot to mention. We should note that you were

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<v Speaker 1>part of the ensemble cast of The Fighting Temptations.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's the gospel show.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally forgot about that. What was it like doing

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<v Speaker 1>that production?

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<v Speaker 2>Fonce and Cuba good and Jr? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Several wonderful all of the wonderful experiences. But I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>going to the movies or watching movies on TV. So

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that Couba Gooding Junior was acrobat. He

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<v Speaker 4>was he stiver.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Nobody knew that.

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<v Speaker 5>No, we didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Cuba he's a real acro. You mean slips?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was. He was training to be in the Olympics,

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<v Speaker 1>like he No, if you look at the if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you look, God, I'm really dating myself here, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Line of Richie closed line Richie closed the nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four Olympics in Los Angeles, and Cuba Gooding Junior was

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<v Speaker 1>He's sort of like the Alphonso Robero of line Richie's

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson. Uh at the at the closing ceremonies for

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<v Speaker 1>uh the like to and break dancing and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that we I'm telling you we

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<v Speaker 1>have to get Cuba on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Show because he's amazing, the nicest.

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<v Speaker 1>Craziest story I've ever heard. Like, he's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most interesting people.

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<v Speaker 4>I know. It's like saying you too that you know

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<v Speaker 4>there were nice people? And I would say about Beyonce,

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<v Speaker 4>she made everybody look short and ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what you're gonna do? But I remember the.

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<v Speaker 4>Last song of when the credits are coming down, she

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<v Speaker 4>and Angie so On and I are strutting down the runway,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, doing I saw I could dance if I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to know.

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<v Speaker 2>But.

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<v Speaker 4>Replicate that? Do you remember the opening song that old

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<v Speaker 4>Anne Nesby and Shirley Caesar are singing to me You're

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<v Speaker 4>about to master?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't not remember.

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<v Speaker 5>We watched that on the two of US.

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<v Speaker 3>I got so because we fast forward. Can I get

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<v Speaker 3>the whole story to Let Freedom Ring? From the song

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<v Speaker 3>to the video? Can I just can I get some

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<v Speaker 3>left Freedom Ring story?

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<v Speaker 4>Can I well? Let me see it? Okay? I was

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<v Speaker 4>on sabbatical. I think I've gotten sick, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>was no just taking time off, and I was watching

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<v Speaker 4>TV and I saw the na A CP Awards and

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<v Speaker 4>they were honoring doctor Dorothy Height. Oh my goodness, who

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<v Speaker 4>is that lady? I want to meet her. So I

1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:26.600
<v Speaker 4>found out how to get in touch. And when I

1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:29.479
<v Speaker 4>called her and she said, why don't you come out

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<v Speaker 4>with us and the Black family reunions that we do.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad has a picture of you and Dorothy Hype.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad's a photographer in DC. He has a picture

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<v Speaker 3>of y'all two at that Black Family reunion.

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<v Speaker 4>You know I'm not lying, You're not lying.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there to him.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, go ahead, I was at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean I was, you know, like one.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 4>She was younger than me. So I started to travel

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<v Speaker 4>with doctor Hight and uh go to the breakfast and

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<v Speaker 4>you know we had people like Maxine Waters and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>alexis Hermon.

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<v Speaker 2>And alexis Herman.

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<v Speaker 13>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I met Cored Scott King.

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<v Speaker 2>I that was at the Black Man of reunion.

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<v Speaker 4>The Jackson's came, hey, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's where I first met Sewers. Uh the Clark's sisters. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, who were one?

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<v Speaker 2>Left? Rightom ring right? Okay's telling the story right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right right there on that, but there was performing at

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<v Speaker 4>one of the reunions. I said, oh my god, what

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<v Speaker 4>was that? That's how it was. It was so exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>She says, well, no, you should sing something. And at

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<v Speaker 4>our breakfast meetings or some of our meetings, why don't

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<v Speaker 4>you sing the new natural anthem? But I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>we had one.

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<v Speaker 6>Out?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead. More.

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<v Speaker 4>I found undoubt about it. And I was with Capital

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<v Speaker 4>Records at the time, so I went to our a

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<v Speaker 4>R person and who's with the label at the same time?

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<v Speaker 4>Was B B and C C One Yes, that a

1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:21.160
<v Speaker 4>gospel artist was on a regular label, and he went

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<v Speaker 4>and got BB one.

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<v Speaker 1>Is for me, mhmm.

1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:25.800
<v Speaker 4>And Bby got everybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>BB got everybody else from Dion to I'm trying to remember, takes.

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<v Speaker 13>It Wonder the Wonder, Howard hewittt Bobby Brown, Bobby Brown

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<v Speaker 13>like that was Bobby Yes, And he was the green

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<v Speaker 13>screen because.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously Bobby didn't make it to the day of shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>He was one of the only ones with a green screen. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing, right, Melville, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 4>What they did? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it now I'm talking about the video.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bobby was on the green screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember PAG.

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<v Speaker 4>Six and The New Virgin. She just got a Grammy

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<v Speaker 4>nomination for the recent recording of I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>And who was the decision because I know that Jasmine

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<v Speaker 3>Guy is dope in her al Eli history, But who

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<v Speaker 3>made the decision to have to have her dancing in

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<v Speaker 3>the video?

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<v Speaker 7>And probably Debbie Allen right, because she directed, She directed,

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<v Speaker 7>video directed.

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<v Speaker 4>It was her concept and she directed it. And kind

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<v Speaker 4>of think, well, I think I think w was my

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<v Speaker 4>understudy in Pearly. She was one of the lead dancers.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, she was dancing with George Fazon.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because she did the of.

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<v Speaker 4>Course, you know, she went did all those other wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>things later on Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It was her concept and we had Loucassin to the narration,

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<v Speaker 4>but on the audio version it was Jesse Jackson and

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<v Speaker 4>we got permission from nub A c PECE. We didn't

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<v Speaker 4>want it to be money thing. We wanted to donate

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<v Speaker 4>all the all the funds of NUBA CP and it

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<v Speaker 4>was my idea to have all of the different celebrities

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<v Speaker 4>because I figured if I didn't know that we had

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<v Speaker 4>a Negro national anthem, other people would know, they would

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<v Speaker 4>think it was my hip record. So it was my

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<v Speaker 4>idea to have and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Did, and I may have done that that was hit record.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was left free to ring. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the way to yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, So okay, before before I wrap, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do I mean, because I have a lot, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I mean, I could say fall in or

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit more love coming at you, but

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<v Speaker 1>of your of your songs, of your arsenal, what songs

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<v Speaker 1>are your personal favorites.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't have personal favorites. I have favorites of

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<v Speaker 4>people liking it, and their two favorites seem to be

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<v Speaker 4>Love's coming at you and lean on me.

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<v Speaker 1>Even to this. So when you performed that to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>are you still as intense when you're performing it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because for some maybe it's because I'm still not

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<v Speaker 4>really trained in a certain way. If I really focus

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<v Speaker 4>and get everything out, I still get so scared.

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<v Speaker 1>H to this day, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It never goes away. It's like, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing. That means you still care.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so because you stop and you focus when

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<v Speaker 4>am I doing it, that it's not the same show

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<v Speaker 4>you did before, and I thought, okay, because this is

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<v Speaker 4>not something that's just naturally uh okay, I have to

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<v Speaker 4>take care of it. So I have to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>everything is. Like I said, I could give you a

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<v Speaker 4>run for your money for whoever is the fattest person

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<v Speaker 4>you've ever seen if I didn't watch it. So I

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<v Speaker 4>got to make sure I can still get.

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<v Speaker 2>On my clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I was gonna ask, like, have you ever been

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation where you were a horse one night

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<v Speaker 1>or able to kind of had to slide under the

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<v Speaker 1>slide under the bar like y'all see you just Bobby

1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:10.439
<v Speaker 1>brown them y'all. Okay, there's so.

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<v Speaker 4>Many, so many times I haven't had background cigarettures and

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<v Speaker 4>nobody you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you do? You make sure you're ready.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why you now. I know I'm going to get scared,

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<v Speaker 4>so I try to prepare.

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<v Speaker 1>I assure you that her audience were just sing the

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<v Speaker 1>the ad libs verbatim.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I ask boss, because it's it's funny. We were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about COVID and stuff, and I'm just curious as

1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:41.320
<v Speaker 3>for fans and stuff, we see you on the nicest

1:17:41.320 --> 1:17:44.040
<v Speaker 3>show we see you all around? How can people continue

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<v Speaker 3>to like support you? I see you got a little

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<v Speaker 3>poster back there that your daughter might want you to

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<v Speaker 3>shout out. But I mean for folks who just want

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<v Speaker 3>to support since you can't come see you.

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<v Speaker 4>So she told me where I am on Instagram?

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<v Speaker 5>He told me right.

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<v Speaker 4>On Instagram at nulber one more.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to it right now, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And the website is Melbournmore dot com. Am I anywhere else? Honey?

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<v Speaker 2>And what's your daughter's name? Charlie C h A R

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<v Speaker 2>L I Charlie. Shout out to Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Charley, baby girl shout out, shout out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say that this this is definitely one of

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<v Speaker 1>the silver linings of of the COVID era because when

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw you on on the scroll, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way that that's actually Melbourne Moore possible.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the scroll?

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<v Speaker 11>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry? The scroll when when when I'm DJing and

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<v Speaker 1>I can see who's in the room in the comments

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<v Speaker 1>and you get the comments and I'm like, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Yeah, I'm just you know this, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the few bright spots of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, I can have a conversation and link

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<v Speaker 1>up with with my childhood heroes. And you're definitely a hero.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thank you for sharing your story with us

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<v Speaker 1>on the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for everything that you've contributed, like yes, seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely flowers Flowers, Yes, I'll take a look.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll say. You know, I've heard about your quest and

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<v Speaker 4>I was very very much intimidated because you are walking

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<v Speaker 4>encyclopedia just a thing, you know. But fortunately you decided

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<v Speaker 4>to come mindly, you know, let me be comfortable. I

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<v Speaker 4>really thank you for that, because you could really take

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<v Speaker 4>it somewhere else. I've seen and I've seen. I've seen

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<v Speaker 4>you played the druones.

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<v Speaker 1>I play Yes you did, No No, all things to

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<v Speaker 1>you and I appreciate it. Yeah, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>one for the books, Ladies and gentlemen. Al but more

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<v Speaker 1>on Quest, Love Supreme, on behalf of Fun, Tigelow, Sugar

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and Uhigo Bye Sugar Steve.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, I have done. I have your nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 5>one album.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at God.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't say much, but you know it always counts

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<v Speaker 1>uh Liyah and unplayabill uh you know it's the team

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme and we will see you on the next go

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<v Speaker 1>round of course, Love Supreme. Thank you, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Quest Love Supreme. Hosted by Amir Quest, Love Thompson,

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<v Speaker 1>Why You, Saint Clair, Sugar, Steve Mandel an unpaid Sure

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<v Speaker 1>Executive producers are Amir Quest, Love Thompson, Jean g and

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Calvin. Produced by Brittany Benjamin Cousin, Jake Payne and

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<v Speaker 1>Liah Saint Clair. Edited by Alex Convoy. Produced by iHeart

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