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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio Happy Black

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Speaker 1: History Month from Quest Love Supreme. This week's classic is

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Speaker 1: with the incredible Melbourne Moore, first air back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, with the highly accomplished singer and actress. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, Melba, hope you guys enjoyed this.

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Speaker 2: Hello, gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: How you say it? It is how you say it,

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Speaker 4: you use it.

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Speaker 1: You're the person to get her name right. And Lai

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Speaker 1: has been everything I saw. Boy, she's been everything to

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Speaker 1: every guest. Guest, Princess Leah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, Miss Melbourne?

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Speaker 4: Well, good to be here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good, We're good to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you here too, Ladies and gentlemen. This

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Speaker 1: is Questlove, host of Quest Love Supreme. What can I say? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all Team Supreme, Solloy and Steve and unpaid

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Speaker 1: Bill somewhere paying his bills. I got to say that

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Speaker 1: this interview is a long time coming. Once again, I

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Speaker 1: always say that we're honored to be in the presence

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Speaker 1: of worldty, but this is definitely the case for that episode,

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Speaker 1: For this episode, Melboln Moore, you know what can I say?

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Speaker 1: Broadway actress she was in the original here, the original

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Speaker 1: here with Ronnie Dice. So many questions. Uh, she is

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Speaker 1: a Tony Award winner for Pearly. I even saw her

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Speaker 1: in y'all might not remember this, but in seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: Tim Buck two was a big deal. I saw Tim

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Speaker 1: Buck two her an Earth Kit, I think so first

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Speaker 1: week it came out, my mom took me to see

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Speaker 1: Tim Buck two. Not to mention her music career, signed

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Speaker 1: to a new Billguard's legendary Buddha Records in the early seventies,

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Speaker 1: soon too Epic Records, and then of course in the

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Speaker 1: eighties or legendary run on Capitol Records.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Having discovered and been involved in so many greats, including

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Speaker 1: one of our favorites, Freddy Jackson managing his career. Not

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Speaker 1: to mention movies, just everything so legendary about this guest.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to our show. Finally, Queen Melbourne Moore, thank you, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much everybody.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here with you all. Well,

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Speaker 4: how do you remember all that.

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Speaker 1: Of yours?

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Speaker 2: Id you was.

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Speaker 4: One of them geniuses, That's what I heard about.

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Speaker 1: I'm just the street, this is my my platform is

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Speaker 1: nothing but just the having the best seat in the

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Speaker 1: house and interviewing people that you know excite me. You

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Speaker 1: know I didn't. I guess I became friends with you

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Speaker 1: because you would always come to uh you know, are

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Speaker 1: always on our DJ gigs. You're the nicest DJ gigs

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Speaker 1: of mine as well, and got to know you. I'm

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Speaker 1: still doing your jazz set one day. Actually, wait, I

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Speaker 1: just did your dad. I forgot to tell you. I

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Speaker 1: finally did your jazz yesterday. You asked the jazz set together,

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Speaker 1: and wow, I finally I finally got one together, like

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Speaker 1: last week when you know we shot this away later,

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Speaker 1: but yes, I finally got one together. So how are you?

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Speaker 1: Were you right? Are you still a New Yorker? Like,

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Speaker 1: what part of the world?

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Speaker 2: I'm just New York, New Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that part of New York, yes, the Jersey part. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I feel like everyone in Jersey. Yeah, true, true New

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Speaker 1: Yorkers live in Jersey. I didn't get remember.

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Speaker 4: Well now listen, I'm North New Jersey too.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what where were you? Were you always in

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Speaker 1: New York or where were you born?

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Speaker 4: I was born in New York. Yes, what.

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Speaker 2: A Harlem hospital?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, your Harlem night.

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Speaker 4: I lived on one hundred and eighth Street, so it's

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Speaker 4: like two blocks below Harlem. I'm always on the cusp

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Speaker 1: I guess in your well, in your beginnings, what was

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Speaker 4: I haven't in my jeans? You might know who Teddy

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Speaker 4: It was a very famous big band leader. People like

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Speaker 4: Physical Lesbie and those folks played in his band. Well,

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Speaker 4: that's my natural father, but he didn't marry my mother.

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Speaker 4: So my mother was a professional singer. Okay, okay, so

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Speaker 4: I started out with music in my blood. But you know,

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Speaker 4: a strange family. My grandmother had strokes, so she didn't speak,

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Speaker 4: mother's from pipe shop, Alabama. Didn't nobody ever hear that?

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Speaker 4: You know about Birmingham, but you don't.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's from there, right, So as I started out my

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Speaker 4: Family like many African American people. And then my mother

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Speaker 4: worked together. So when I moved to Newark because he's

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Speaker 4: piano lessons. So that's when I found out I could

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Speaker 4: sing about well, I was already ten years old. I mean,

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Speaker 4: when you were the instrument and you're born into it,

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Speaker 4: So really started late, that's my point, I guess I'm ployment.

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Speaker 1: So for you, starting at that age was late to

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Speaker 3: Okay, is that what happened with your mom? Because y'all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you said question you want to know

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Speaker 4: what you want to know? What is your question?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, well I really want to know. I know

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Speaker 4: Well, there were lots of music bars, clubs with bands

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Speaker 4: It's like a famous one, right, it's not famous like

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Speaker 4: Tons? I can't remember them all now, but tons and

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Like who are your idols during that time period?

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Speaker 4: Like Bobby Tenants or Horror Silver. I thought I was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, because my stepfather was a counter player and

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Speaker 4: Well, after I spent about two or three years teaching

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Speaker 4: but I don't want to do it. Please introduce me

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Speaker 1: So then would you say that acting, like did that

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Speaker 4: Heck no, no, I just mean I didn't have a

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Speaker 4: basically been auditioning us without us knowing it, right, and

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Speaker 4: all of us in the show if we were coming

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Speaker 1: Way so okay for our listeners that don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know that hair was just something out of you know,

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Speaker 4: She was very loud mouth, big mouth young matter of fact,

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Speaker 10: So yes, we weren't mad Man, we weren't doing but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so many legends came from that production.

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Speaker 1: What was it like? Well, because I you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: No, there was no press for black people during that

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Speaker 5: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Besides Ronnie Dyson, was there anyone else notable that.

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Speaker 1: Wow? That right? I forgot Donosam. Okay, was it? How

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Speaker 4: Mary said, you've been in this player a long time.

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Speaker 4: You just start going up the page. She said, you

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Speaker 4: don't even know how to audition. Why don't you just

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Speaker 4: And of course the character was a backwoods illiterate maid.

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Speaker 4: By because I had what we called a governess or nanny,

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Speaker 2: So gun people's mine. Can you talk about those Pearly days?

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Speaker 3: but he was saying that the parties around Pearly, and

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Speaker 4: They were great.

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Speaker 2: It is all you can say. Well, I could say more.

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Speaker 4: But perhaps I shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Should if you don't tell us, would never know the

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you who was in the chorus. And he,

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Speaker 2: Love him. Yes, the choreographer of The Wiz.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, yes, right, and Sherman Hensley.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's all you have to say.

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Speaker 1: We already we already heard about sermon because you.

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Speaker 4: Know, he thought he was calming pray.

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Speaker 8: Okay, wow, thought he was That's how it was.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Y'all seem sometimes y'all just seem so much more freedom.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes in here we're just a little bit more uptight.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have a clue what I was doing, so

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Speaker 4: I was free.

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Speaker 2: Took about stage love stage.

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Speaker 4: Right, I said, but what is that?

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Speaker 2: I mean? I know it was your second a this

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Speaker 1: So how how shocked were you to get uh A

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Speaker 4: I seen it on tape, but I don't remember half

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Speaker 2: Let me see what you wore, because I know it

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Speaker 4: I was in costume because we performed. I remember the

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Speaker 4: I could see Pearl Bailey and Rex Harrison and these people.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what I did say, I didn't know

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Speaker 9: You thought he had got it wrong. You thought he

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Speaker 4: Wow, because he said somebody else's first name and my

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Speaker 7: The whole audience started knelling no, no, the more, no more.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, what's going on? You know, it was

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Speaker 3: Wow, are your parents still with us at this point?

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Speaker 4: When you ring your tony yes?

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Speaker 2: What did they I mean, what did they think?

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Speaker 4: Well, my dad was really glad that he didn't insist

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Speaker 1: Their parents were more like fall back on something that's yes,

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Speaker 1: secure and not. I was about to say about this point,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go full throttle and no, so you

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Speaker 1: just like I got lucky. I got one play and

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Speaker 4: So after that, I think I got an agent after that, okay,

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Speaker 4: and you know these so they had to be negotiated, right.

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Speaker 9: So explained that to us, like exactly when you say

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Speaker 4: Then you like, beautiful, fancy club. Let me see you

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Speaker 4: know the City Wineries, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah yeah, city Winery.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we played City Winery.

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Speaker 4: Very class and very very you know. And you have dinner, you.

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Speaker 5: Have supper, you have dinner, gotcha.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And you could have a big orchestra or small ensemble,

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Speaker 4: but the top entertainment.

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Speaker 5: Okay, got it?

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Speaker 4: And you went down. Excuse me if you want to.

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Speaker 4: I love this business. I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 5: He loves you back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So your recording career, I knew that you got signed

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Speaker 4: Mercury was because I got that, I guess in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my first I look what you're doing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I got that as a result of

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Speaker 1: Wait, so even then, it's not like, by the time

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Speaker 4: So well, not if you don't know the business.

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Speaker 1: Wait, how can one navigate without well, you know, at

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Speaker 1: least in today's terms. You know, it's like everything has

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Speaker 4: No, No, I think it was more structured then than

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Speaker 4: it is now. You can almost be a one man

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Speaker 4: somebody had had to go before you negotiate these things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the only reason I was even talked about

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Speaker 4: but the people wouldn't let him let her go because

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Speaker 2: Cake.

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Speaker 4: You had to go through somebody, you know, because.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Still it's funny because I was sitting here thinking like,

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Speaker 3: So it's not like you could look to them and

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Speaker 5: There's still a level of information that's held from us, right.

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Speaker 3: And then you're still you're evolving because you're in a

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Speaker 4: And so it's like, precisely.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's ill.

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00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: The one the one album in your your arsenal that

447
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm fond of is Peach Melbourne, which came out in

448
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: seventy five. First of all, before I ask you anything,

449
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: I gotta know during the height of lean on me

450
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: itis and not deal with this. Lean on me if

451
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: you were, if you were alive and awhere at the

452
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: time when the song was at its height in the seventies,

453
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: most people will know that you hold a note for

454
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Lisa Good thirty seconds. I'll stay longer than longer than

455
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: Bill Withers singing day on Lovely Day. Yeah, And I

456
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: used to. I used to actually try to, and you

457
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: would do this song often. I've seen you doing on

458
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: the Tonight Show. I've seen you even when you did it,

459
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: when you did it live, you held a note longer.

460
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: And I just never knew a person that could hold

461
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: one note for like almost fifty seconds. Did you? Did

462
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: you regret having to do that every time? Like I

463
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: almost felt like it was it was its own Olympic

464
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: comp like competition, like the duration of holding that note,

465
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: like it was fun and for.

466
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: Me it was an athletic activity. It was something that

467
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 4: was It wasn't always there everything that I'm able to do.

468
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: It seems like I had to work twenty five times

469
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: harder than other singers. I had to go jump, rope, boat,

470
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: swim dog, you know, and do my vocal study, holler

471
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 4: and scream and yell and everything, and then after a

472
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: while the stamina due to the point where one day

473
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: I remember I was singing this song tim every Mountain

474
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: for some little group in a nursing home in some

475
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 4: way I don't know right, and I took one of

476
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: the big, big, big breath and I said, you know,

477
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: let it out, and it kind of went over across

478
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 4: the room. You know, it's through travel. And I was

479
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 4: strong enough so that I was standing there holding it,

480
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: but I wasn't so conscious that I was doing it,

481
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: and I said, only wait, that's me. So I kept

482
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: holding it. I said, well, I wonder if I could

483
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: always do that when I started to develop stamina to

484
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 4: do it. And it's just to become something that I'm

485
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: so grateful for. I'm happy about it. Now I understand,

486
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: like I can't.

487
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: Eat everything and do this. That's why what I call.

488
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 4: It, let it activity. Now. I can't go and handle Daniels.

489
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 4: I can't handle no fried chicken.

490
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: What? So what is what is? What is your h

491
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: regiment as far as keeping your your your your muscle intact,

492
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: because again, to hold it for that strong and that

493
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: much vibrato over forty seconds is not normal. I thought

494
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: it was cheating. Method where you know.

495
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: Somebody, somebody says circular breathing. I said, I'm not an.

496
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were circular breathing because you know,

497
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: we know and what do you yell at the end

498
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: of the song?

499
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Oh youse?

500
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: That was tough, like what are you talking in tons?

501
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: Like what?

502
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: Of course?

503
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I never knew what you yell at the end.

504
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: Of that was the whole topic. And I forget what

505
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: show we were doing, but we talked about that.

506
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

507
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: I think the last times that I've been doing it's

508
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: evolving to make it so, it's make it come.

509
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 1: Okay when you're a five year old listening to that,

510
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I thought you were doing some sort of taekwon do

511
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: I never heard of before.

512
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: I do want to hear the answer to that question, though,

513
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: because you never what is your prep when it comes

514
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: to your voice?

515
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: A lot of baked chicken, you know, or you lean protein.

516
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: I know you think chicken is a gospel bird, but

517
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: it is.

518
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 12: Yes, what because I just thought you were gonna say

519
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 12: no dairy or okay, well, no dairy, yeah, okay, yeah,

520
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 12: no fried foods, no oil, you know, no what.

521
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: A lot of fish?

522
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 4: You know?

523
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: Vegetables.

524
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: But then I got to work out and I think

525
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 4: the swimming hell mm hm hmm. I've always loved swimming,

526
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: and I thought it was a scorpion water scign.

527
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: It's not, is it. No? They walking on the on

528
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: the desert, so well, I'll be walking to.

529
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: I'm in mountains. Aerobic exercises thing, but make you breathe hard.

530
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: It build up the lung capacity.

531
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 9: I was curious to know the producer for Peach Melbourne

532
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 9: was Eugene McDaniels and to hip hop to my generation,

533
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 9: he means something totally different.

534
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 5: But what was it like working with him?

535
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 9: I've never really heard stories of you know, what he

536
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 9: was like in the studio and his you know, creative process.

537
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: What was what was that like?

538
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: I wouldn't stay with him and his wife and his home,

539
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: come to California Hills and so I'm very what do

540
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: you call it, I'm affected by my environment? And he

541
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: looked way up and was probably sitting, So I was affected.

542
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: I sound to me on that pitched album, I sound

543
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: different or like, I mean another zone. That's Jamie Jangles

544
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: to me is like.

545
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: That were you were you aware of his kind of

546
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: his at least at the time in seventy five is

547
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 1: controversial political zeros, Yeah, like stance with the government. I

548
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: know that the story was that when his second album

549
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: came out, Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse, Spiritual Agnew kind

550
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: of placed a call to I'm at Ertigan and kind

551
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: of had him blackballed, you know, had his musician's union

552
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: card revoked.

553
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: Cool.

554
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: So thus he was kind of left to make a

555
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: living as a singer songwriter. So this he worked on

556
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: your record, roberta Flex Blue Lights in the Basement, Like.

557
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Oh the what did he lean on the side of

558
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: Was he the big C word?

559
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, not even that. I think just

560
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I think it was rare for an artist to just

561
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: you know the way that we call out the government

562
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: now on Twitter, Instagram, Like his albums were Twitter. You

563
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: just didn't hear of black people like just blatantly call

564
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: the government's you know, liars or that stuff. And he

565
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: had it in for Nixon to the point that you know,

566
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: the Nixon administration just did all they could to silence him,

567
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: and he couldn't. He lost his record deal, so you

568
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: know him not if he didn't write that's the time

569
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I feel like making love to you then that would

570
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: have been that would have been curtains for him. But

571
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he produced people in the meantime. They couldn't

572
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: stop him from producing other people. So I just wanted

573
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: to know, like just as a as a human being,

574
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: like was he kind of bitter what the government was

575
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: doing to him?

576
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Or he just I never heard.

577
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: Him speak anything about his politics. That's what I thought.

578
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: He was kind of, you know, kind of theory like

579
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 4: me sweet and gentle and okay, you know, but he

580
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: was No. I didn't know anything about his pologies for

581
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: actually it.

582
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So were you aware that at the time

583
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: when you made the record? Did you meet the kids

584
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: that did Sunshine Superman with you? I didn't. I'm certain

585
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: that people have reminded you that Wendy Melvoy of Wendy

586
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: and Lisa Prince in the Revolution and her twin sister

587
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: Susannah were the background singers on Sunshine Superman. So I

588
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: probably knew it, but here at the time. Okay, I

589
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: see you. Also, at least two albums later, you worked

590
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: with Van McCoy. I know he produced the This Is

591
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: Hit record? What was what was that?

592
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: Like? He put me in disco?

593
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say how can you describe what it's like. Two,

594
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: every every artist I see that was recording in the seventies,

595
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: disco was more like a kind of like that film

596
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: and Louise Mountain Jump, like can we make it to

597
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: the other side or are we going to fall underground?

598
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Like what were your thoughts on on conquering that? And

599
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, I know Neil Bouregart was your was your

600
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: president at the time, Like what was he like? As

601
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: not not much as said about Neil boorg Art's time

602
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: at at Buddha and at Casablanca. I know that a

603
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: lot of his artists were like, you know, colorful, and

604
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: he really I guess you could say he was like

605
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: the original Diddy, almost to the point where he was

606
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: just as famous as his artist was.

607
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 4: H I met him, I knew who he was, and

608
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: he was very, very famous, But I really didn't have

609
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: an awful lot to do with it because by that

610
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: time I had good management. So they were the ones

611
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: that actually went out and got Van and they and

612
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: the label got Van McCoy for me m hm and

613
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: put us together. Then then he and I, you know,

614
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: worked on what we were going to do and try

615
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: to establish and be as an recording artist and helped

616
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: me develop a style and you know, an identity I

617
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: didn't have. Yes, I had the note. Then what I

618
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: was interested in Van McCoy for. I mean, he gave

619
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: me this is Zip, which put me into the disco

620
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: or the dance dan genre. But I knew he had

621
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: written me in on me ah and the reason I'm

622
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: so he wrote me Yeah, that's so weird.

623
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Van McCoy writing any non uptempo.

624
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: He wrote lots of ballads, is very prolific songwriter.

625
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: So that's how it reached you.

626
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, no, yes, but no. I had heard my favorite

627
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: artist this a Rutha Franklin singing and I know I

628
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 4: couldn't sing like her, but the lyrics and everything just

629
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: moved me so much I started singing it. So I

630
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: developed my own little arrangement of it with the long note.

631
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: And I think the long note came in there because

632
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 4: I was just so excited and so trying so hard

633
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: to express something. And then once it had presented itself

634
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: and I came in in contact and touch with so

635
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: in the court, I made him do my arrangement me.

636
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you also worked with McFadden and Whitehead. I'm a Philadelphian,

637
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: so like any of those guys that are in the

638
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: arsenal of under the umbrella of Gamble and Huff and

639
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Mixter Wanzel and you know Tom Molton, like all all

640
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: those guys under the Philly umbrella. What was it? What

641
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: was it like working with McFadden and Whitehead? Let me see, well,

642
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: they produced the Portrait of Melbourne album.

643
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I told you what it was like working with

644
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: Sherman Henson.

645
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: Right, I guess you did.

646
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: It was like that, Yes, good times, they were crazy.

647
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 4: I've heard stories, especially Whitehead.

648
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 5: Really wow Philly.

649
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 2: I mean if he walked.

650
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: Out on the streets, strange things happened.

651
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: How strange? Did you record that in Philadelphia? Was it

652
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: recorded in New York?

653
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: Uh?

654
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: In New York?

655
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 4: Okay, we kind of stole them from a Philly International.

656
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, we were managing our company, Hush Production.

657
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: We're managing Jean and John and so we were the

658
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: ones that produced them or managed them to do you know,

659
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: stopping us Now, it wasn't Philly an International.

660
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: You better tell that story.

661
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, yeah you can't just casually like.

662
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 2: You better tell it. It's more.

663
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of borrowed them.

664
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: So you see hush production started in nineteen seventy six.

665
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: Well you remember the years it hadn't been around that

666
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: time here.

667
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: Well, I only knew of I only started hearing of

668
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: the term hush productions closer to you, like your capital,

669
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: but I never knew when it when it started. So

670
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: you got you and your husband got into management.

671
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: I could have a manager because I didn't have a

672
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: manager still yet at a certain point, I had an asient.

673
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: But by that time I had already lost my career

674
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: for the first time.

675
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: By this point, Uh yeah, yeah, that's that's unusual for

676
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: an artist to start a manager at least you don't

677
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: hear of that in the seventies, like it was like

678
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: a separation of church and states. Like artists were artists

679
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: and CEOs were CEOs, So what right?

680
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: That was?

681
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: What wasn't That was the case with me. But I've

682
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 4: a husband was a gifted and was a gifted business person,

683
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: and when we met, we started. We tried to find

684
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: a manager for me, but everybody told me it was

685
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 4: she's brought, but she can't do this, she can't do that.

686
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: I started in the record industry as a backup, saying

687
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: but so my point is that everything that they said

688
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 4: I couldn't do had already done. So instead of having

689
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: a stable of artists, we started a stable of managers.

690
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm brilliant.

691
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 4: Oh okay, So once we got me started, then we

692
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 4: got Freddy and Kashif and you know, a whole bunch

693
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: of people.

694
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: I was wondering what your roster looked like? Can you

695
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: can you brag some more with wils was on the roster?

696
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: Let me see some.

697
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: More Agan.

698
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: All the capital Bo Higgins or Huggins, Huggins, I remember

699
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: Bo Huggins, I remember?

700
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 5: Or summer was that you guys?

701
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

702
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 4: It was a record company, lady.

703
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: You mentioned Thomas.

704
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: Paul Enforced, m DS Force and D's.

705
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: And Paul Lawrence to Lawrence from the Ages. Now I

706
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: see how the rain came together.

707
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had some music that you then.

708
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: What was what was? Because she like he was always

709
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 5: one of those guys that I just really.

710
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 9: You know, admired, and you know we I had a

711
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 9: music class in college and they made us read like

712
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 9: his book, you know, everything you know about.

713
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: The business, and she yeah, what was what was? What

714
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 5: was he like?

715
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: As a as a well we became well his daughter

716
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 4: and his wife and I became real good friends because

717
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: we for the recording studio in our little building at

718
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 4: two thirty one west of the Ah Street, and when

719
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: she would come, he would record the stuff in our studio. Well,

720
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: you said, what was he like?

721
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 5: Well, it was like a vocal coach mmkay.

722
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: And the way he stacked the background voices almost like

723
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: you take individual sounds and singers and you put them

724
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: in different places, not like a background. But he structured everything.

725
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: And he he was, I guess, uh, affectionist. And we'll

726
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: go over one phrase all day. So you all got it.

727
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: I said, good, I'm.

728
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: Gonna get this. I'm gonna learn how to sing.

729
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 5: Bet.

730
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: I was fine with me. You know, I'm a student.

731
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 4: I'm a teacher. They're gonna have patience with me to

732
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 4: like get it.

733
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: So you're not one of those singers that is like okay,

734
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: three takes and I feel like it's enough, so let's

735
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: move on.

736
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: And no, the more I do it, the better I get.

737
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I see under that under that production unit. So

738
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: you guys managed to conceived. Did you guys also manage

739
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: like uh, well no, there was uh, there was Ronnie

740
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Harris as well.

741
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, with your nat Ronnie.

742
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ronnie Harris like a bunch of like Tri State

743
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: guys that I know that were kind of under the

744
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: were they under like Cashief's tutelage or because he had

745
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: a very Vronnie.

746
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: Was his own and the team was parallel.

747
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Another okay, another.

748
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: I see yeah, like for me, especially the the about

749
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: to say somewhere with it, the other side of the

750
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: Rainbow album, that's probably yeah, one of my favorite records.

751
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 5: That was the one. My aunt used to play that

752
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 5: record all the time. I was. I think that was

753
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 5: like three when that came out, But I remember the

754
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 5: one with.

755
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: The art is uh you think of Melbourne?

756
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: Did you?

757
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: I think did you specifically work with I just have

758
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: one question about the seventy eight record because I know

759
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: I knew you did a cover of you Stepped into

760
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: My Life? The b specifically write that for you?

761
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Or instead.

762
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: The begs wrote that for you?

763
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: No, No, that was I forgot that the album? Was

764
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: it done well? All those songs up from Saturn it Saturday?

765
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: She might Eman might have done it. Someone else did it,

766
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: but I didn't know who did it first. First Okay,

767
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: I see.

768
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: Do you get anything?

769
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: Every time d Nice plays that record because he plays

770
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: that record and I hear it in my dreams.

771
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: Thank you that us. It's like a new record. I

772
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: love it.

773
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: D nice and all your deep days, you're gonna make

774
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: us relevant.

775
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah good, I'm hoping that you was okay good? So

776
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: it does matter. It does matter, okay.

777
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely, because you know, God keeps me. Don't get too religious, bodes.

778
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 4: God keeps doing, you know, new things, at least every

779
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 4: decade or so, and he changes it. And so you've

780
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: got to change the context. You gotta change the neighborhood.

781
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: I can't do that. I'm not even a songwater mm

782
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 4: hm oh.

783
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 2: DJs.

784
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: First of all, you used to just spend records. Now

785
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: that's grown into their songwriters, producers, You promote shows. You

786
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 4: created a genre, so you have some autonomy, you have

787
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: some authority, and you you have created a well, yeah,

788
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 4: a community, a beat days and I'm not saying it's

789
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: all black but sweet, So we have some place to

790
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: be like in the early days, especially since somebody like me,

791
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: my opportunities came through theater soul racist. But what they

792
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: try to get you to do and you wanted to

793
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: do was a crossover. But if you do that, you

794
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: leave your community and they try to convince you don't

795
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 4: belong here, you don't belong there. Well it was too late,

796
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: thank god for that to being convinced that. So then

797
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: you know, we try to get a manager. And when

798
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 4: we couldn't do it, then we said, okay, well won't

799
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: we tried it. You've done theory, you've done TV, you've

800
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: done this. So we got somebody from each of those

801
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: areas and then said, okay, what kind of music we're

802
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: going to do. So and like I said, my then

803
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 4: husband is gifted a business, so nobody taught him business.

804
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: If you learned it, just like many of us have

805
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 4: centered people, you didn't get a chance to go get it,

806
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: get taught it. Then you learn it some kind of way.

807
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: You learn it. You know, you have to learn how

808
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: things go and create a space for yourself. And you know,

809
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: they call it r and you put it in the

810
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: back on the corner, and that turns out to be

811
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 4: the foundation of American music. Anyway, that's my humble opinion

812
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: right now.

813
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 5: Don't be humbled about it. It's true.

814
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: There's one question I missed before we skipped to uh Becashi.

815
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: I always wanted to know this, so you worked with

816
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: another legendary producer, Peter Pete Bai. Yeah, I guess, uh, well,

817
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to know at least what was the decision

818
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: in getting him? People a lot they did, uh, like

819
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: a lot of his music, like between him and Georgio

820
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: or Moro, Like those guys were like into like teat

821
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: your electronic past that I mean, what what we now

822
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: know is like electronic music, Like those guys were pushing

823
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: Well they were German producers, so sort in line of

824
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: what crap work was doing and all that stuff. What

825
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: was it like working with him? That was the decision

826
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: to sort of go into sort of like a futuristic

827
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: dance mode or like what was it like working with him?

828
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 4: Well? Yes, because we were trying to stay current and

829
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: once again, like I said, my husband went out and

830
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: found the songwriters and producers who irrelevant for the time

831
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 4: and seeing where things were going and could we fit

832
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: into it, they decided they would work with me, and

833
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: so I co wrote a lot of the songs that

834
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: we did together because by then we told me I

835
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 4: should learn how to write.

836
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you get your money out, yeah the money.

837
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: Guess he was trying to teach me that here so

838
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 4: did you.

839
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: I felt like you made the transition to the eighties.

840
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: It was for a lot of artists, it was hard

841
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: transitioning to the eighties. But of course with you know,

842
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: you work with with Paul Lawrence and Kashif and and

843
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: all those cats, those New York Cats or Jersey New

844
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: York Cats. Just what was the what was the environment

845
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: like at the time, because also like uh, you know,

846
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: there's there's Lala, There's like so many, so many of

847
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: these greats that are in the what R and B

848
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: was at the time. What I what I say is

849
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: with with at least the style of Kashif was him

850
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: being kind of instrumental on the sound of boogie, which

851
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: is you know, post disco kind of the sound that

852
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: uh Leon Silver's ushered in, like that boogie sound. Could

853
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: you explain what the environment in the early eighties was

854
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: like in New York as far as like that whole

855
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: cruise concerned Freddy Jackson, La La like all those people.

856
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: Oh, of course I may be, you know, particularly actually

857
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: describing it was so much fun. It was on the musical.

858
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 4: It was like you were exploring a place where everything

859
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: functioned and worked, probably because we were in charge and

860
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 4: you could negotiate with the record company. I didn't. I

861
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: didn't mine then husband did. It was good at it.

862
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: So we were touring. We were sending up and mean artists.

863
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 4: It's always fresh downs. And I mean, I'm a musician,

864
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: so I mean that that was like being in heaven.

865
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: We have fun. We liked each other. You know, we

866
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 4: have no problems. It was great. And then you know,

867
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 4: there was no lack of money or or or work.

868
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: It was wonderful. I was happy, but my baby was

869
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 4: was you know. I just I was a new mother.

870
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 9: Do you is there is your former husband? He's still alive.

871
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 9: Him and his brother, they're still alive. Okay, are y'all

872
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 9: on good terms or how is it that relationship?

873
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: Now?

874
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 5: Y'all good?

875
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: That we're family? Hey, you get religious, but God creates us.

876
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: So I want to, you know, suck up to the balls.

877
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: I see and our daughter is happy and you know,

878
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 4: coming into her own So yeah.

879
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: He's got an eighties baby.

880
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like, okay, what was the story in developing?

881
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 6: Uh?

882
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: Freddy Jackson? Like I feel like of your stadium. He

883
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: was definitely your your breakout artist. How did you discovery?

884
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: I told you by Sherman Henslady too as a party.

885
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 4: That's how it was. I remember one time we were

886
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 4: in the studio and he was going to come around

887
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 4: to my house, you know, for a break, just you

888
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 4: know a little bit.

889
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: So I got dressed up.

890
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: I forgot what I had on, but I had to

891
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: get him, you know.

892
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

893
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 11: So so I opened the door and it was so

894
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 11: he was so shocked he fell down on the uh

895
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 11: the hallway floor laughing.

896
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: I said, now, what was the outfit? Do you remember?

897
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 4: I forgot? It was some crazy I don't know. Nobody

898
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 4: else would see this but know him and me?

899
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 3: Where is Freddie Jackson from from of course, oh that's

900
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 3: that's too much, okay, all right.

901
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 4: But but he likes to keep it and Doug's he's

902
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: a darker. He could probably do stand up if you

903
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 4: wanted to. That's his real personality, was laughing. And of

904
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: course you know he could sing anything you can hear, right, So.

905
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm gonna ask you can I just asked the

906
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: question that some of the eighties babies might want to know.

907
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know this is touchy, but.

908
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: Were he and Luther as question that beef? Because we

909
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: grew up thinking it was beef.

910
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, in my mind, I

911
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: felt like there's some pot biggie.

912
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 11: Going on.

913
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: He was going to be the king of the hill, don't.

914
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: I don't think they were friends, but I think it

915
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: was just like a lively uh friendly competition, especially on

916
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 4: Freddie's part, m because Luther was the man. Luther is

917
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 4: the man.

918
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mini has his own spot.

919
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah true that you sure everybody would want to aspire

920
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 4: to that. But that's just my humble opinion because I

921
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: don't really know.

922
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 9: What was the relationship, like with with you with like

923
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 9: Hush and Capital.

924
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 5: I remember I was watching two years back.

925
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 9: I think I was watching Freddy's Unsung and he was

926
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 9: talking about how his records were like going crazy, and

927
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 9: the people at Capital didn't They had no idea, Like

928
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 9: they didn't even They were just so unaware of what

929
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 9: was going on in black music at that time that

930
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 9: when his record kind of took off, it, you know,

931
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 9: they weren't prepared for it.

932
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 5: They weren't prepared.

933
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: It wasn't only what was going on in black music.

934
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 4: Our company became really uh and I jumped to the

935
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: record company. We were the ones that started.

936
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 5: Street promotions with the gotcha.

937
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 4: And actually working your own record in your your own areas,

938
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: and your own marketing people and your own salespeople.

939
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 5: Got you.

940
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 4: You know when we're going to say, when we give.

941
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: You a hit, do you find that that it's harder,

942
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: harder to be both artist and artist manager. Yes, it

943
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: involves a lot of babysitting and Jedi mind tricks and yeah,

944
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: but you.

945
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: Know what, I think, I'm naturally a mentor, so I

946
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: can't manage. That's his whole skill that I don't really have,

947
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 4: and I don't think I have a real great interest

948
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 4: in it. But I'm always interested in showing you and

949
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 4: opening the way. Like for instance, we took Freddy on

950
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: the road with me and he was my opening act.

951
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 4: I didn't let him open for me. I put him

952
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: in the middle of my show and introduce people Tom

953
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: and set him as soon as he starts saying, you're

954
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 4: gonna start screaming, so I'm gonna tell you who he

955
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 4: is now famous Freddy. Put him in the middle of

956
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: my show instead of trying to make him they're all

957
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 4: black share when you're first trying to get out there. Yeah,

958
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: So naturally, I think a mentor I'm not a manager.

959
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 9: Now, and that is a different there's a distinction. I

960
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 9: understand exactly what you mean. That makes sense.

961
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 3: I have a lot of other thingers been coming to

962
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 3: you for, like mentorships throughout the years. I was curious

963
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: about that, especially with all the with the voice stuff

964
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 3: were I.

965
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 4: Think they don't come to me because you know, I

966
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: have a team of people and they deal with everything,

967
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 4: and so they don't come to me. But whenever I

968
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: have an opportunity, thank god, people are interested interviews. People

969
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: want to know, well, how do you do this? And

970
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: how what would you tell somebody else? And so in

971
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 4: that that way I can I can offer you know,

972
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 4: information with suggestions even better.

973
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: You mentioned, uh, Melissa Morgan was also part of that stable, correct, Yeah,

974
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: again these are I'm just asking because again, like there's

975
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: just a period between eighty two to probably ninety two

976
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: of a bunch of artists that you know, there wasn't

977
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: social media out back then. There wasn't anything unless they

978
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: were in Jet Soul train or ride on magazine you

979
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: really didn't know or ebony, you really didn't know about them.

980
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: What was Melissa like in working? How did she become

981
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: part of the stable.

982
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 4: Once again, Hush signed her as an artist, and so

983
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: their relationship with her was with her. But Melissa and

984
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 4: I have become friends and well, what can I say?

985
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: She likes me, so, I mean when I had difficult times,

986
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: she's what.

987
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: Now do you need a ride?

988
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 5: Wow?

989
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 4: I help you? You know, where do you go? And

990
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: you called the find out and see how I am?

991
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 4: And whatever? We just spent you know, and we've we've

992
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 4: done some shows together now that I have no manager,

993
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 4: and you know, we can do shows ourselves and say

994
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 4: who we want to be with. We often work together.

995
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: We've been in okay, a lot.

996
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: You know, I do in you know what, when when

997
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: the when the when the iron was hot in that

998
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: period in the eighties, did you think about making uh

999
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: a return to your other to the other arenas that

1000
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: you were in as far as like you're acting and

1001
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: plays and whatnot.

1002
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 4: Well, yes, I I made my then husband put Pearly

1003
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 4: on videotape. Okay, well the only thing I've seen on video.

1004
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure the others it's Hamilton since then, because it's

1005
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 4: still not a common thing for people to do.

1006
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so there was unusual back then. Wait, would

1007
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: you involved with the what was your involvement in all right,

1008
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: this is a deep one. Are you guys familiar with

1009
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: Death by Temptation?

1010
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: Yes?

1011
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 9: Wait, yes, wait wait all Over You by Freddy Jackson.

1012
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 5: That was the joint. But it was the joint with

1013
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 5: kadem Hardistan and Building, yes.

1014
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: And James the third on the He created that. Ye

1015
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: oh wait, he created Death by Tentation Okay, yes, he wrote.

1016
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 4: And produce that, well, we produced it was to.

1017
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: Say, were you the producer of the film as well?

1018
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: Or yes? Okay?

1019
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 9: You know what was that like stepping into film and

1020
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 9: like producing your own film?

1021
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a lot we were because we started.

1022
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 4: To learn how to try to promote it and get

1023
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 4: it into theaters, and so I started to get into that.

1024
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 4: But my whole relationship with my husband and and hush

1025
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 4: production broke down shortly after that.

1026
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 5: Oh man, what what led to the breakdown? In your opinion?

1027
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: I don't think I should say not with not.

1028
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: That, not with the daughters sitting there. She's like, Mama, Mama.

1029
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 4: I love you.

1030
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: I can already hear it. Field, let me ask because

1031
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: we're in the nineties now, But.

1032
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 4: But literally that, you know, trying to be uh men,

1033
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 4: are ways and be better.

1034
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1035
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's such a different place now. And I

1036
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 4: think because of the COVID and everything around the world stopping,

1037
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 4: we do have a chance to start over. And maybe

1038
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: the playing field will never be even, but we've all

1039
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: grown so much we have a chance to try to

1040
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: start over.

1041
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 5: So trying to really do that, that's real, that's fact.

1042
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: But that period is when you credit like things went

1043
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: bad and then because I think you said something early

1044
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: on where you were like, my my career fell, it

1045
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: fell down, or something like that, and then you that

1046
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: was you said that was the first time, so you

1047
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: can reckon.

1048
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: Right, that was that was before this time? We now, okay, okay, Well,

1049
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 4: one thing I've gotten very good at is falling and

1050
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 4: getting back up.

1051
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: That's it is, it is.

1052
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: But you got to work out. See you got to be.

1053
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 5: Now you look amazing, like you've really I wasn't.

1054
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: Gonna be in your business, but I was about to

1055
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: ask about your moisturizing.

1056
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 5: I was.

1057
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: Because you said, you know, you know, I was like,

1058
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: is that not for the fried foods? If I didn't

1059
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: eat fried foods, is that what I would end uble?

1060
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 4: Looking like that?

1061
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: Okay? Can you can she answer that? Daughter? Yes, okay,

1062
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm waiting.

1063
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 4: You know, massages and heat and my screams and stuff,

1064
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: you know, and masks and and exercise the face and

1065
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 4: exorcise you know, like exorcism.

1066
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: Yes, because my mother always said you supposed to do

1067
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: I oh and all.

1068
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 4: Like you have to exercise it.

1069
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: Yes, people don't know that. Okay, so that's real. Yeah. Yeah,

1070
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: like a mere you got to so you know, black

1071
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: don't crack. But it could rust, you know what I'm saying.

1072
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to take the little forms of rust sometime,

1073
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 4: you know.

1074
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: But can we can we talk about nineteen eighty seven

1075
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: because is that when lay miss?

1076
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: When did they miss?

1077
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's no, the miss was I thought it

1078
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 4: was later?

1079
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: Was it later?

1080
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: I think it was.

1081
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 4: I think it was little because.

1082
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: Or ninety nineteen ninety, Well it was.

1083
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: Around that time because that's the times. And then I

1084
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 4: lost my family and hush and all of that, and

1085
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: I really was homeless.

1086
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 5: Oh wow, But I never.

1087
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 4: Heard of Michael Matthews.

1088
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 5: Michael Michael Matthews.

1089
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, we want to know.

1090
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: Well, he created the gospel musical that Tyler Perry has

1091
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 4: taken to the Lanks that he has Okay, the first

1092
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 4: one to Tyler, do No, Michael Matthews did the first one.

1093
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what.

1094
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm the very first gospel. Okay, gospel pioneered the gospel part.

1095
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 4: Yes, he pioneered it. And what he did was he

1096
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 4: went to the churches around the major cities that have

1097
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 4: black populations and he sold to them. So that's that's

1098
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: why we have gospel plates because they're from there. The

1099
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 4: audiences were the church. And so by the time I

1100
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 4: met Michael, I was just about to be evicted. Uh

1101
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 4: my daughter had run away and didn't know where she

1102
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: was because of all the trouble was going on. I

1103
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: uh found out that that I was divorced and I

1104
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 4: had to go figure out all that stuff. But uh,

1105
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: Michael had called me and invited me to come out

1106
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 4: to Saint Louis. It was he was doing one of

1107
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 4: its plates and it's this.

1108
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 6: Huge, like two thousand seater, three thousand theater theater. There

1109
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 6: was jan pat None of the black people knew whose churches,

1110
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 6: so he know he learned he out how to market.

1111
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 4: The churches and fill him up every day of the week.

1112
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: And so what he did then he said these incredible

1113
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: actors and singers that he had put into the shows

1114
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 4: and musicians. That's where Mary and Mary came from.

1115
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 6: Oh wow, you know they're mad, right, you're ridiculous.

1116
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 4: Well, and the one of them that's married to the

1117
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 4: piano player. He was a piano player from Mark, not

1118
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 4: Warren Campbell Canty. But to give you the and I

1119
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: give the quality of the music and what we were

1120
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 4: doing with what was raw, and I came out to start.

1121
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 4: He was bringing stars into those incredible companies.

1122
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: Which they do.

1123
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, So actually that's how it really began. To

1124
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 4: learn how to sing gospel because I'm like but opera though,

1125
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 4: well no, I s opera. I was born doing that.

1126
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: I had to learn how to sing the hospital.

1127
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: Wow, okay wow verse reverse?

1128
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 4: What was what was the question?

1129
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: I was asking about le mis?

1130
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 4: But oh okay, So so I was telling you about that.

1131
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: But then I didn't have anything.

1132
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: So I was trying to write a play where I

1133
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 4: could be the star so I could get up and

1134
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: get some work. But Richard J. Alexander, who casts the

1135
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: miss A Rob was in this little town called Hollywood, Florida.

1136
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 4: He came to see my play and he didn't know

1137
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 4: I could see classical music because you don't sing classical

1138
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 4: in parly right, it would be great for them. That's

1139
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 4: how I got it.

1140
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned you mentioned something earlier that I

1141
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: wanted to ask. So, you know, in twenty twenty, a

1142
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: lot of people in our profession and entertainment, especially in March,

1143
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm one of them, was definitely panicking because you know,

1144
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: a lot of artists didn't know if they were coming

1145
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: or going. You know, this is how I make my

1146
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: living and you know that. So I personally went through

1147
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: about a good six to seven weeks of just straight

1148
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: up like panicking, I'm about to lose everything. But you know,

1149
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: so I will say that it takes a steady mind

1150
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: to navigate yourself out of that situation. How were you

1151
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: able to the first the first time around when you

1152
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: were about to lose everything and sort of not knowing

1153
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: where your career was going to go? Like what how

1154
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: is your mind state in that keeping slowan state daddy

1155
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: to get to agree in or pastor if you will,

1156
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: or a safer space that you could still be And

1157
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: like how how were you able to to mentally overcome that.

1158
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 4: I don't think I overpayment.

1159
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1160
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 4: I don't think I was calm and settled. I was depressed.

1161
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 4: I was oppressed, repressed, it was desperate.

1162
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I believe you overcame it because you're here

1163
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: speaking with us, yeah, right now, and you were you know,

1164
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: yeah so. But just at the time, what I was

1165
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: saying was that after two months of just oh man,

1166
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I gonna, I'm gonna time I lose everything

1167
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: and we'll lose everything, then I just had to stop,

1168
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: sit silent and restart all over again.

1169
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 6: You have to.

1170
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 4: You have to. There's really nothing else you can do.

1171
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you the part of I've always had

1172
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: help when people who came to my aid, even going

1173
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 4: through the Grand Sister's station, people me a hand money.

1174
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I was embarrassing and a shameful because they

1175
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 4: knew my story. But people came to my aid. And

1176
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 4: one of the things I guess is out standing for

1177
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 4: me about going on the road with Michael Matthews and

1178
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 4: the the the Gospel shows is they really were saved people.

1179
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 4: Well they did, as I found out. I would say,

1180
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 4: he invited me to come out on the road. But

1181
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 4: I remember the first rehearsal what's Steek's last name? John

1182
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 4: Jackson just good morning, says pays the Lord. Everybody that said,

1183
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 4: oh my God on the back because I met around me,

1184
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: so I was cussing, you know. Oh, and you know

1185
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 4: and Michael, they would pray beforehand, and sometimes I would

1186
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 4: be just so.

1187
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: Broken.

1188
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure I didn't inquire anything I was because I

1189
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 4: was too No, I didn't.

1190
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: I would just sit there.

1191
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 4: But there was somebody would come and sit by me,

1192
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 4: maybe coming to my room and just be with me.

1193
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 4: You don't know how to talk, and I know I

1194
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 4: was spiritually oriented. To be dropped into that. Then you

1195
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 4: kind of discover what's going on and what is saving you.

1196
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 4: And you know, Charlie Wilson, right, his brother Rodney Wilson

1197
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 4: was was on on the road and we used to

1198
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 4: call him Elebition. Well he's hilarious, but saved people. This

1199
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 4: is what they do, this is how they live. And

1200
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 4: of course all the shows were about family in different situations,

1201
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 4: some of them kind of raw, but the whole point

1202
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 4: was you need Jesus. But that's really what I am

1203
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 4: and who I am. What happens is I can go

1204
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 4: back and tell you some of these incidents is that

1205
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 4: it never occurred me to do anything harmful to myself.

1206
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 4: But I wasn't numb. I couldn't think or figuring anything.

1207
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 4: But someone always came and said, what about this, well,

1208
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 4: how about this? Well you need this, you know, or

1209
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 4: like like I could didn't know what was going on

1210
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: with me, as it turned out. That's why I know

1211
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: there's you know, no coincidences or accidents. He put me

1212
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 4: on the road with him just when I was going

1213
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 4: to get invicted and I had filed bankruptcy, so I

1214
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 4: didn't even have a bank account, but he paid me

1215
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 4: seven thousand dollars cash every week. My only problem was

1216
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 4: I was going married and the favor back, especially with

1217
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 4: all them singles.

1218
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: Wow, but that's the truth.

1219
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 4: You know, when you and you. It was my first

1220
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 4: time going on a tour, any kind of a tour.

1221
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,959
Speaker 4: You're riding along the highway and you know, travel tour

1222
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 4: buses and the bus driver he praised before we go there,

1223
01:07:53,320 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 4: serious about it, and just just an amazing presence. I

1224
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 4: can only say it's the presence of God. You know.

1225
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: However you can describe it or I'm not so good

1226
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 4: at describing it all the time, but I know you

1227
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 4: just are and you're not by yourself. You might think

1228
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 4: you are.

1229
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: I feel it you're not actually speaking of which I

1230
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: totally forgot to mention. We should note that you were

1231
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: part of the ensemble cast of The Fighting Temptations.

1232
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the gospel show.

1233
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that. What was it like doing

1234
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: that production?

1235
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: Fonce and Cuba good and Jr? Right?

1236
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 4: Several wonderful all of the wonderful experiences. But I wasn't

1237
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 4: going to the movies or watching movies on TV. So

1238
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 4: I didn't know that Couba Gooding Junior was acrobat. He

1239
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 4: was he stiver.

1240
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Nobody knew that.

1241
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 5: No, we didn't know.

1242
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: Cuba he's a real acro. You mean slips?

1243
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was training to be in the Olympics,

1244
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: like he No, if you look at the if you

1245
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: if you look, God, I'm really dating myself here, uh.

1246
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: Line of Richie closed line Richie closed the nineteen eighty

1247
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: four Olympics in Los Angeles, and Cuba Gooding Junior was

1248
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: He's sort of like the Alphonso Robero of line Richie's

1249
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. Uh at the at the closing ceremonies for

1250
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: uh the like to and break dancing and all that stuff.

1251
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: I did not know that we I'm telling you we

1252
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: have to get Cuba on the.

1253
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 4: Show because he's amazing, the nicest.

1254
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: Craziest story I've ever heard. Like, he's one of the

1255
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: most interesting people.

1256
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 4: I know. It's like saying you too that you know

1257
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 4: there were nice people? And I would say about Beyonce,

1258
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: she made everybody look short and ugly.

1259
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: Well, what you're gonna do? But I remember the.

1260
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 4: Last song of when the credits are coming down, she

1261
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 4: and Angie so On and I are strutting down the runway,

1262
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 4: you know, doing I saw I could dance if I

1263
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 4: wanted to know.

1264
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: But.

1265
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 4: Replicate that? Do you remember the opening song that old

1266
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 4: Anne Nesby and Shirley Caesar are singing to me You're

1267
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 4: about to master?

1268
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't not remember.

1269
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 5: We watched that on the two of US.

1270
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: I got so because we fast forward. Can I get

1271
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 3: the whole story to Let Freedom Ring? From the song

1272
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 3: to the video? Can I just can I get some

1273
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 3: left Freedom Ring story?

1274
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 4: Can I well? Let me see it? Okay? I was

1275
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 4: on sabbatical. I think I've gotten sick, and then I

1276
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 4: was no just taking time off, and I was watching

1277
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 4: TV and I saw the na A CP Awards and

1278
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 4: they were honoring doctor Dorothy Height. Oh my goodness, who

1279
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 4: is that lady? I want to meet her. So I

1280
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 4: found out how to get in touch. And when I

1281
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 4: called her and she said, why don't you come out

1282
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 4: with us and the Black family reunions that we do.

1283
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: My dad has a picture of you and Dorothy Hype.

1284
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: My dad's a photographer in DC. He has a picture

1285
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 3: of y'all two at that Black Family reunion.

1286
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 4: You know I'm not lying, You're not lying.

1287
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: I was there to him.

1288
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead, I was at the time.

1289
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I was, you know, like one.

1290
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: Don't worry.

1291
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 4: She was younger than me. So I started to travel

1292
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 4: with doctor Hight and uh go to the breakfast and

1293
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 4: you know we had people like Maxine Waters and you know,

1294
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 4: alexis Hermon.

1295
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: And alexis Herman.

1296
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 13: Wow.

1297
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 4: I mean I met Cored Scott King.

1298
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: I that was at the Black Man of reunion.

1299
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 4: The Jackson's came, hey, this is crazy.

1300
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 2: I remember.

1301
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 4: Yes, that's where I first met Sewers. Uh the Clark's sisters. Wow.

1302
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: Okay, who were one?

1303
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: Left? Rightom ring right? Okay's telling the story right.

1304
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 4: Right right there on that, but there was performing at

1305
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 4: one of the reunions. I said, oh my god, what

1306
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 4: was that? That's how it was. It was so exciting.

1307
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 4: She says, well, no, you should sing something. And at

1308
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 4: our breakfast meetings or some of our meetings, why don't

1309
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 4: you sing the new natural anthem? But I didn't know

1310
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 4: we had one.

1311
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 6: Out?

1312
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead. More.

1313
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 4: I found undoubt about it. And I was with Capital

1314
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 4: Records at the time, so I went to our a

1315
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 4: R person and who's with the label at the same time?

1316
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 4: Was B B and C C One Yes, that a

1317
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 4: gospel artist was on a regular label, and he went

1318
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 4: and got BB one.

1319
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: Is for me, mhmm.

1320
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 4: And Bby got everybody else.

1321
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 3: BB got everybody else from Dion to I'm trying to remember, takes.

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Speaker 13: It Wonder the Wonder, Howard hewittt Bobby Brown, Bobby Brown

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Speaker 13: like that was Bobby Yes, And he was the green

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Speaker 13: screen because.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Bobby didn't make it to the day of shooting.

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Speaker 3: He was one of the only ones with a green screen. Right,

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing, right, Melville, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't there.

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Speaker 4: What they did? You know?

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Speaker 2: A lot of it now I'm talking about the video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bobby was on the green screen.

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Speaker 2: I remember PAG.

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Speaker 4: Six and The New Virgin. She just got a Grammy

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Speaker 4: nomination for the recent recording of I think so.

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Speaker 3: And who was the decision because I know that Jasmine

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Speaker 3: Guy is dope in her al Eli history, But who

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Speaker 3: made the decision to have to have her dancing in

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Speaker 3: the video?

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Speaker 7: And probably Debbie Allen right, because she directed, She directed,

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Speaker 7: video directed.

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Speaker 4: It was her concept and she directed it. And kind

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Speaker 4: of think, well, I think I think w was my

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Speaker 4: understudy in Pearly. She was one of the lead dancers.

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Speaker 4: You know, she was dancing with George Fazon.

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Speaker 2: Right, because she did the of.

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Speaker 4: Course, you know, she went did all those other wonderful

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Speaker 4: things later on Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was her concept and we had Loucassin to the narration,

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Speaker 4: but on the audio version it was Jesse Jackson and

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Speaker 4: we got permission from nub A c PECE. We didn't

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Speaker 4: want it to be money thing. We wanted to donate

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 4: all the all the funds of NUBA CP and it

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Speaker 4: was my idea to have all of the different celebrities

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Speaker 4: because I figured if I didn't know that we had

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Speaker 4: a Negro national anthem, other people would know, they would

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Speaker 4: think it was my hip record. So it was my

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Speaker 4: idea to have and I.

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Speaker 3: Did, and I may have done that that was hit record.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was left free to ring. I was like,

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Speaker 2: that's not the way to yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right right, So okay, before before I wrap, I gotta

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Speaker 1: do I mean, because I have a lot, a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. I mean, I could say fall in or

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01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: just a little bit more love coming at you, but

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Speaker 1: of your of your songs, of your arsenal, what songs

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:44,839
Speaker 1: are your personal favorites.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't have personal favorites. I have favorites of

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Speaker 4: people liking it, and their two favorites seem to be

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Speaker 4: Love's coming at you and lean on me.

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Speaker 1: Even to this. So when you performed that to this day,

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Speaker 1: are you still as intense when you're performing it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because for some maybe it's because I'm still not

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01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,839
Speaker 4: really trained in a certain way. If I really focus

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Speaker 4: and get everything out, I still get so scared.

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Speaker 1: H to this day, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It never goes away. It's like, I guess.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. That means you still care.

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Speaker 4: I think so because you stop and you focus when

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Speaker 4: am I doing it, that it's not the same show

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Speaker 4: you did before, and I thought, okay, because this is

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 4: not something that's just naturally uh okay, I have to

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Speaker 4: take care of it. So I have to make sure

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 4: everything is. Like I said, I could give you a

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01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 4: run for your money for whoever is the fattest person

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01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 4: you've ever seen if I didn't watch it. So I

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 4: got to make sure I can still get.

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Speaker 2: On my clothes.

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Speaker 4: I think you know.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I was gonna ask, like, have you ever been

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Speaker 1: in a situation where you were a horse one night

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Speaker 1: or able to kind of had to slide under the

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Speaker 1: slide under the bar like y'all see you just Bobby

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Speaker 1: brown them y'all. Okay, there's so.

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Speaker 4: Many, so many times I haven't had background cigarettures and

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Speaker 4: nobody you know.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do? You make sure you're ready.

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Speaker 4: That's why you now. I know I'm going to get scared,

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Speaker 4: so I try to prepare.

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Speaker 1: I assure you that her audience were just sing the

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Speaker 1: the ad libs verbatim.

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Speaker 2: Before we go.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask boss, because it's it's funny. We were

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01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 3: talking about COVID and stuff, and I'm just curious as

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01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 3: for fans and stuff, we see you on the nicest

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01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: show we see you all around? How can people continue

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 3: to like support you? I see you got a little

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 3: poster back there that your daughter might want you to

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 3: shout out. But I mean for folks who just want

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Speaker 3: to support since you can't come see you.

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Speaker 4: So she told me where I am on Instagram?

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Speaker 5: He told me right.

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Speaker 4: On Instagram at nulber one more.

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Speaker 2: M hmm.

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 5: I'm going to it right now, okay.

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Speaker 4: And the website is Melbournmore dot com. Am I anywhere else? Honey?

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Speaker 2: And what's your daughter's name? Charlie C h A R

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Speaker 2: L I Charlie. Shout out to Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Charley, baby girl shout out, shout out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say that this this is definitely one of

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Speaker 1: the silver linings of of the COVID era because when

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Speaker 1: I first saw you on on the scroll, I was like,

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01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: there's no way that that's actually Melbourne Moore possible.

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: What's the scroll?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? The scroll when when when I'm DJing and

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01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,959
Speaker 1: I can see who's in the room in the comments

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01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,799
Speaker 1: and you get the comments and I'm like, oh my goodness,

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I'm just you know this, this is

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01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: this is one of the few bright spots of twenty twenty,

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01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: which you know, I can have a conversation and link

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01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: up with with my childhood heroes. And you're definitely a hero.

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: And I thank you for sharing your story with us

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for everything that you've contributed, like yes, seriously.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely flowers Flowers, Yes, I'll take a look.

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01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 4: I'll say. You know, I've heard about your quest and

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 4: I was very very much intimidated because you are walking

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 4: encyclopedia just a thing, you know. But fortunately you decided

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 4: to come mindly, you know, let me be comfortable. I

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01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 4: really thank you for that, because you could really take

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01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 4: it somewhere else. I've seen and I've seen. I've seen

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01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 4: you played the druones.

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Speaker 1: I play Yes you did, No No, all things to

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Speaker 1: you and I appreciate it. Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: one for the books, Ladies and gentlemen. Al but more

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Speaker 1: on Quest, Love Supreme, on behalf of Fun, Tigelow, Sugar

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01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: Steve and Uhigo Bye Sugar Steve.

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01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 5: Thank you, I have done. I have your nineteen twenty

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01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 5: one album.

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: Look at God.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't say much, but you know it always counts

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01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: uh Liyah and unplayabill uh you know it's the team

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01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 1: Supreme and we will see you on the next go

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Speaker 1: round of course, Love Supreme. Thank you, Thank you for

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01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 1: listening to Quest Love Supreme. Hosted by Amir Quest, Love Thompson,

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01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Why You, Saint Clair, Sugar, Steve Mandel an unpaid Sure

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01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: Executive producers are Amir Quest, Love Thompson, Jean g and

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Speaker 1: Brian Calvin. Produced by Brittany Benjamin Cousin, Jake Payne and

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Speaker 1: Liah Saint Clair. Edited by Alex Convoy. Produced by iHeart

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Speaker 1: by Noel Brown. What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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