1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Mission Control decond. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: to know. As we are flying headlong into twenty twenty three, 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: we looked around at each other and we said, we're 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: overdue for a solid episode on ghost on the Paranormal 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: and earlier, if you'll recall, uh, Matt, you had asked 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: whether we had a ice one and done topic. You know, 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: we get we get bogged down rightly so in continuing 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: geo political events. And as soon as you asked this question, Matt, 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: the answer came back instantly. What was that? What did 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: we come up with when you asked about a solid 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: one and done paranormal episode? Yeah, I I asked about 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: that because you know, sometimes we do two partners, right, 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: and we want to release the episodes on usually a Wednesday, 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and Friday, so you get to hear them in the 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: same week. But we were doing this one today because 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Ben shot back immediately haunted airplanes and yeah, you know, 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: like the spruce goose or the Spirit of St. Louis. No, 25 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: not that, but I've always thought the Spirit of St. 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Louis and kinda well, it's a great name, whichever one 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: we were talking about. Just the phrase alone made us 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: all go yes, So here we go. Wheels up. Please 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: make sure your lap belts are are fastened. Trading tables up, 30 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: make sure your seat is not reclined. Here are the facts. Okay, look, 31 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: airplanes are amazing, all right, take that birds we got 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: up there too, says humanity. Uh, they're also airplanes are 33 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: not quite as new fangled as we might assume. You know, 34 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, you may you 35 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: have probably seen or driven or rode in a vehicle 36 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: on the ground of some sort. Uh, But airplanes still 37 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: are a thing that not all eight billion plus people 38 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: are going to experience directly. They you might see it 39 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: in the sky, right. Uh, it's rarefied air to ride, 40 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: and why it's even more rare for someone to pilot one. 41 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: But they're not really that new like Carl Binz of 42 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Mercedes Benz fame. UH is often cited as we have 43 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: to be careful with inventions. Here often cited as the 44 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: first person to get a gas powered automobile to the 45 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: commercial market, and that happened in eighteen five, less than 46 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: twenty years after that, there were some really focused nerds, 47 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: let's be honest, the Right brothers, and they made a 48 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: pretty cool proof of concept. They had a powered flight 49 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: at a place called Kittie Hawk in the United States 50 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen o three, and they hit on something right. 51 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: They hit on that screw you birds energy, right, Like 52 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: for centuries people have dreamed of flying. There's old far 53 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: Side cartoon about the caveman seeing a bird fly and 54 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: deciding between inventing a flight machine of its own or 55 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: inventing a bow and arrow and then just shooting the bird. Well, 56 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, anyone that's uh either shooting birds or saying 57 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: bird screw you to birds is all right with me. 58 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: So I fully support this, you know, because birds are 59 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: for the birds. But so we're like airplane prototypes that 60 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: don't always get the job done. There there are a 61 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: lot of really cool ideas that just didn't work out. 62 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: There There are a lot of people who died attempting flight. 63 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: A lot of human beings throughout history try to invent 64 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: ways to fly and did not meet with the same 65 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: success of the Right Brothers. And it's weird because the 66 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: human species has thought of fly and mortality often in 67 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: the same cognitive breath like death in so many religions 68 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: is portrayed as this ascendant experience. Your your body is gone, 69 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: your soul rises to the heavens or the sky. And 70 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: there's there's something so primal about the idea, right, the 71 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: idea that every ground lane will have. Why am I 72 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: up here? Why am I in this tube? How fast 73 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: is this going? Are we okay? Call me down, Give 74 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: me some peanuts or some pretzels, you know what I mean? 75 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: Maybe more coffee? Sorry, taking out, taking taking out of 76 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: the ball game. This is an America's American as baseball 77 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: or or apple pie or dying in a test plate. 78 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's good. Also, you know some people who 79 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: are listening today, some of our fellow listeners love being 80 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: on planes. Some people absolutely hate it. Now, Matt and 81 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Nolan and I have been in situations where we get 82 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: a call or some sort of communicate that requires us 83 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: to be wheels up pretty quickly, and so we are 84 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: familiar with planes, perhaps uh more so than the average 85 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: person who is not in the aviation industry. But I 86 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: keep thinking about this very American fascination with planes in general. Right, 87 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: motorized flight invented in the US. Uh. And then also 88 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: one of the most iconic Twilight Zone episodes ever. Yeah, 89 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: it's William Shatter freaking out at the window seat of 90 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: a plane. Well, and like you know, despite how corny 91 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: it looked to this day, it's still captures and capitalizes 92 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: on I think of fear that a lot of people 93 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: still have. I think maybe the three of us take 94 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: for granted a little bit that we can fly without 95 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: experiencing existential terror. But I think we all have friends 96 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: that that that cannot just the act itself of being 97 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: in the sky. Matt's raising his hand there, uh and 98 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: not a fan. Um. Some people just it's it's it's 99 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: nothing to him, and some people you gotta take a 100 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: dramamine or you're gonna be clutching the walls like bugs. Bunny. 101 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: In that parody of said Twilight Zone episode that Looney 102 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Tunes did where there's a gremlin terrorizing bugs bunny on 103 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: a on a fighter plane. Yeah, I think the fear 104 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: that a lot of people have is a lack of control. 105 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: You you, when you're in a vehicle driving around, if 106 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: you're the driver, you at least feel as though you 107 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: are in control, even though your control is based on 108 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the actions of all the people around you. But when 109 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: you're in a you know, plane, there's two people up there, 110 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: literally two people, and they're the ones if anything happens 111 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: to them. Sorry, yeah, well three, there's a flight engineer, 112 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a whole team of there's air 113 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: traffic controllers, some of the most stressed out people I 114 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: have ever met in over a long period of meeting humans. 115 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: But there's two on the plane that know how it 116 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: works really really well. Yeah. I mean, you don't want 117 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: just one person, right, you want two people. You want 118 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: some checks and balances. And for a lot of our 119 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, this idea of tying religious or spiritual 120 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: or paranormal significance to a vehicle. It might sound weird, 121 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: but if we pull back and we look at the 122 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: larger context, we see that there are many urban legends, 123 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: There are many pieces of folklore that take place in transit, 124 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: you know, like ghostly hitchhikers before that, ghost riders in 125 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: this guy, you know, all that stuff, and then of 126 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: course haunted ships, Mary Celeste and so on for a 127 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: lot of people. Still, despite all the stuff you here, 128 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: you might find plane travel untrustworthy. And it's strange because 129 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: we see the discrepancy between intellectually knowing something, being aware 130 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: of facts and statistics, versus experientially encountering something. Like you said, Matt, 131 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, you might be someone hopping on a plane 132 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: and you might be very, um, very weirded out on 133 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: a primal level. Right, some party or reptilian brain is saying, 134 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be this high up unless I've 135 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: got a mountain under my feet. Uh, And I don't 136 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: care what the statistics say, even though you know multiple 137 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: studies have proven that flying is in fact way safer 138 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: than driving or riding in a car. Well, I love 139 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: you mentioned that reptile brain thing because Matt and I 140 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: think experienced that in person, or at least Matt tried 141 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: to get me to do one of these VR headset 142 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: things where like you walk out on a plank. When 143 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: he first got his oculus or whatever, a couple of 144 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: years ago, and I in my living room. I couldn't 145 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: do it, Like, I was so arrested by the you know, 146 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the whole three dimensional kind of immersiveness of it that 147 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: I couldn't bring myself to it. I eventually, you know, 148 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: got up the courage and did it once I got 149 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: one of my own, but that very not I like 150 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: refused to do it despite knowing that I was standing 151 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: on my carpet and the graphics aren't even that good, 152 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: like kind of like SIMS level graphics, you know. But 153 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: despite the fact that if you are actually in a 154 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: plane flying through the air, your feet not strapped down 155 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: to anything that's attached to the earth in a very 156 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: few unnatural feeling way, it is much safer. As you said, Ben, 157 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: because do you want to talk about the odds. Yeah, 158 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: let's do the odds. Let's you know, let's roll the dice. 159 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Let's see. Okay, So we have a quote here from 160 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Harvard study that found the odds of being in an 161 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: accident during a flight is one in one point two million, 162 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: one in one point two million, and the chances of 163 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: that accident being fatal are one in eleven million. That's 164 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. Those are good chances. So what about if 165 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: you're driving a car one in five thousand in the 166 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: European Union, Australia, and the United States. Also there's there's 167 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: a weird thing. Planes seem to be getting safer over time. 168 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: You know, think about it. If you're one of the 169 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: big car manufacturers of the world, you can work around 170 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: the clock to improve the safety of vehicles. You can 171 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: try your best to build a viet Gold that will 172 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: keep the passengers alive if something goes sideways, But you 173 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: can't really do anything when that vehicle gets on the 174 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: road right and people are driving around ad plus miles 175 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: an hour with the weird system of painted lines that 176 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: we have pointed out our cartoon UH in previous episodes. 177 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: With planes, because there are far fewer planes than there 178 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: are cars, flying is statistically safer. Your road trip is 179 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: more dangerous than your flight. That's just the truth. Yeah, 180 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: Your your safety isn't just dependent on the choices of 181 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: that person next to you or those you know, five 182 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: hundred three thousand other people on that same highway you're on. UH, 183 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: it's based on the pilots and as you said, Ben, 184 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the control system, the the seriously accurate, intense control system 185 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: that is used to know where flights are at all 186 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: at any given time, right even though sometimes it does 187 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: fail for just a couple of hours, so a big, 188 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: massive chain reaction when that thing happened, and it was 189 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: just you know, a lot of these systems are kind 190 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: of antiquated, you know, in terms of the the front 191 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: end systems, the actual computer software and the hardware that 192 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: frankly is a little bit out of date along with 193 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: the planes themselves. I mean we've seen, you know, planes 194 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: that still have cigarette ashtrays, you know, in the seat 195 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: arms and you know things like that that just why 196 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: are these still here? It makes you kind of scratch 197 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: your head a little bit because of all these fleets 198 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: are are serious need of update, agreed, and you can 199 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: see this in flight safety standards across the planet, which 200 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: are not uniform. We would be remiss if we did 201 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: not mention very recent plane crash in the poll. And 202 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: this is a fatal crash. It has currently resulted in 203 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: the deaths of at least sixty eight people. It was 204 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the most deadly plane crash in thirty years for Nepal. Additionally, 205 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people are avoiding flights or thinking twice 206 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: about it. Because they've heard the news about things like 207 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,239 Speaker 1: the Boeing seven thirty seven max. Uh. This this resulted 208 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: in some heavy financial consequences for Boeing. Of course, it's 209 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: hundreds of lives lost. Yeah, yes, and hundreds of people died. 210 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: And also none of the people of Bowing are going 211 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: to jail. Well. And there was a recent story I 212 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: think from January maybe of this year about the the 213 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: flight to Hawaii that experienced intense turbulence. Do you remember 214 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: hearing about that? Guys? There was a recent story out 215 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: of NBC News. It was talking about this very strange 216 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: plume of turbulent essentially cloud of cloud that was extremely 217 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: turbulent and caused a bunch of injuries on the flight, 218 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: which is has nothing to do with the plane and 219 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: how it's built and its safety features. It was more 220 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: like just an atmospheric phenomena that occurred that caused a 221 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: problem horrific bottom. You're you're sitting in your seat, right 222 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: and maybe you ignored the little light that comes on 223 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: that tells you to wear your seatbelt, and all of 224 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: a sudden you are in some non consensual chiropractic appointments 225 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: with a roof. Yeah. Well, in that situation. It was 226 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: between one and three seconds between visually seeing the plume 227 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: that shot up like in front of the plane and 228 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: being able to alert everybody on board. It was it's 229 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: just nuts. That's that scares me, guys. Yeah, it should 230 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: also the cruise of commercial airlines as well as military 231 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: airlines are or aircraft, I should say, are holding safety 232 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: as the number one priority in the cases. You know, 233 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: those flight attendants who have to put up was so 234 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: much trash from so many people. Their number one function 235 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: is safety. It's not to give you peanuts or even 236 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: cracker jacks. But but then there there are other things 237 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: that scare you if you don't love airplanes. The idea 238 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: that planes famously go missing. The world is big, the 239 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: ocean is most of it. Sometimes stuff just disappears. We 240 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: talked about this previously. Malaysia Airlines flight MH three seventy 241 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: is probably one of the most famous recent examples. Uh 242 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: The cause of the crap or disappearance is still not 243 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: officially confirmed. There are various theories regarding it. But that 244 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: was just in not too long ago, and uh I 245 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: found a found a a piece from a British tabloid 246 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: called The Mirror about how people were still finding debriefe 247 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: from that craft as recently as ten piece of it 248 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: was being used as an ironing board. Well, that's the 249 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: kind of thing. I mean. Ships, planes, even some vehicles 250 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: have been have gone missing. There are at least legends 251 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: of those kinds of disappearances that persist often, and that 252 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: is certainly the one that I think about the most, 253 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: ben But we're gonna talk about at least one other 254 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: one in this episode that just kind of baffles you 255 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: for a little while at least. Right, Uh, it's spooky, 256 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you are hopping onto 257 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: a plane and you have no control over the craft, 258 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: you are a lot like people hopping onto a boat, 259 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: right and going off towards some blue horizon. You might 260 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: feel a little better if you have some superstitions, you know, 261 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: you might like, have you ever been on a plane 262 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: and someone collaps when the plane lands? Yeah, that's a 263 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: little unnerving, isn't it. It's I mean, it's yeah, at 264 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: that point, it's like, obviously all good, but it's sort 265 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: of like, was this a surprise? Are we surprised about this? Yeah, 266 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: it's true. There are all sorts of superstitions in the world. 267 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: Of aviation, just like there are in maritime exploration. You know, like, 268 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: of course, some of it's very basic. You're a pilot 269 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: in a cockpit. Hey, don't make jokes about plane scrashing. 270 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: That's just bad taste. But it gets really specific, and 271 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: if you look at the folklore of it, a lot 272 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: of those aviation superstitions tend to date back to World 273 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: War Two. Planes were making the scene in a big way, 274 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: and they were also way less reliable. And you know, fine, 275 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: everybody listening to this is statistically speaking, alive. So there's 276 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with a little superstition if it makes you 277 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: feel better, right. It reminds me a lot of professional 278 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: athletes who have some small thing they do before every 279 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: game or the day before a game, or you know, 280 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: when they go like a a basketball player that does 281 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: a specific dribble, you know, before they shoot a free throw, 282 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: and it reminds me of that kind of ritualization. Um, 283 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: but man, Ben, you found a list that has some 284 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: stuff in there. What do we gott? Did you? Did 285 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: you like any Oh? I like a lot of them. 286 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: There's there's one quote, it's number seven on the list 287 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: that you sent, and it's an air force fight four 288 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: pilot who would always duck under the intake and exhaust, 289 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: so like the engines when he's going around doing his 290 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: pre flight check in. His quote was that if you 291 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: let the engines see you, it will kill you. You 292 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: don't like but making the plane a thing like a creature, 293 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: right that you she? I mean, you know, it is 294 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: kind of a respect thing. I think with any large 295 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: vessel there's a certain amount of deference that's paid and 296 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: superstition that goes into those kinds of things. You know, 297 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: It's like the moment you take it for granted, it 298 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: will chew you up and spit you out. And that's 299 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: an article from Carly Courtney over Disciples of Flight dot com. 300 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: This yeah, this is this is a real thing. And again, 301 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: if you are not hurting anyone, then you're just you're 302 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: doing your thing that makes you comfortable, just like an athlete. Right, 303 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: That's what a pilot is in many ways. And the 304 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: question is how far does this belief in the paranormal 305 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: or this practice of superstition go When you're up there 306 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: in the clouds and any one thing going wrong can 307 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: reaquate you with the ground in a way that might 308 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: not be advantageous to you, are any planes carrying more 309 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: than mortal passengers? Are any airplanes actually haunted? We're gonna 310 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsors. Just your safety belts, 311 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: and please remember to put the oxygen mask on yourself 312 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: before you put it on your neighbor. Uh. In the meantime, 313 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 1: will be right back. Here's where it gets crazy. All right, 314 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: anybody been on a haunted airplane? I think so? Yeah? Yeah, no, yeah, 315 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: I love the optivism. Well, it turns out that there 316 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: are there are haunted airplanes, depending on the people that 317 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: you ask. There's like you teased earlier, Matt, there's one 318 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: plane in particular that's very popular for being haunted, or 319 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: not quite haunted. It's it's treated as sentient. It reminded 320 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: me of the objects in that video game Control. Uh, Matt, 321 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: you're the one who hit me to the game control NOL. 322 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: Have you played that game? No? I think it's one 323 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: that you guys have talked about and sounded incredibly appealing. Um. 324 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Isn't it sort of like a timey wymy weird like 325 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: parallel universe thing involving some psychic powers. It's been talking 326 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: about objects of power. Man corrupted his corrupted objects of 327 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: power p s. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna check into that 328 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: right after we finished. But no, this, yeah, this is 329 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: right up my wheelhouse, up my wheelhouse, in my wheelhouse, 330 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: up my alley, whatever you wanna call it, in your 331 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: flight deck tender what you know? We are not ourselves aviators. 332 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: None of us have a pilot license, although I think 333 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: at one point Matt had a pretty slick pair of 334 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: aviator sunglasses. I can't remember. Uh, I have friends that 335 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: have pilot's licenses. Oh wow, okay, nice, I don't need one. 336 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't need making the aviator to look cool. Yeah yeah, yeah, 337 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: those are just for me. I don't know. No, Matt, 338 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: Matt looks like, not not to profile you here, but 339 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: it looks like you're the type of dude with the 340 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: right sunglasses that if you strolled into a regional airport 341 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: with a confident air, I think could get getting a cockpit. 342 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think you could just suit like 343 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: a lapel or whatever they put on there. Yeah, but 344 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: we can make it work, right. We're always planning subsort 345 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: of heist. Uh the the We'll get to this weird 346 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: object of power or this weird purportedly sentient plane. But First, 347 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: we've got to look at the non supernatural, real instances 348 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: of what are called ghost flights or ghost planes, because 349 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: they are two very real street games for some very 350 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: strange things. So there are a couple of technical terms. 351 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: I guess you could call them for these things. We've 352 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: got ghost plane or ghost flight, which is a term 353 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: that's used in commercial aviation circles to describe a formerly 354 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: pretty rare practice in which an airline conducts a regularly 355 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: scheduled flight with a plane containing less than ten percent 356 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: of the flight's total capacity. What what what a what 357 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: a treat that would be? I imagine ben these are 358 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: just tests or or like, uh, what's the point of these? 359 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: It seems like that, you know, fuel being so expensive. 360 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: I understand why these would be rare, but what is 361 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: the what is the purpose? Doesn't seem like there's anything 362 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: fishy or supernatural going on here. They got to keep 363 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: their spots at airports. Commercial airliners have to, like they 364 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: have to still land a plane to stay in the 365 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: whatever in the kiddie, I guess, yeah, that's interesting. And 366 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: I guess during COVID, when nobody was flying this maybe 367 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: had a little bit of an uptick just so Yeah, 368 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: and you may think, why would you still send a 369 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: plane all the way across the ocean or something that 370 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: if it's only got ten percent capacity. The company isn't 371 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: making money, right, You're still paying everybody, You're still paying 372 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: for all the fuel. That doesn't make sense, as you 373 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: guys said, it makes sense to you know, for the 374 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: company for other reasons. The other problem is that plane 375 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: is spewing all that exhaust up into the atmosphere and 376 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: people don't like that. Yeah, ghost flights accelerated during a 377 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: well increased maybe it would be the best word. Uh, 378 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: during the pandemic and these airlines who were you know, 379 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: they were hemorrhaging money they needed to maintain they're regularly 380 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: scheduled flights. That's why outfits like Delta in the United 381 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: States started carrying freight, right because they needed to hold 382 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: that spot. Just as you said, Noel, there's another very 383 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: real and very uncool thing that the phrase ghost plane 384 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: or flight describes. It's a specific type of crash and 385 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: it is thankfully not a crash that happens often, but 386 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: has occurred more couple times. Yeah, it's because these planes 387 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: have very sophisticated autopilot systems and This term describes what 388 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: happens if an entire flight crew, as well as maybe 389 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: even passengers on board a plane, all are incapacitated in 390 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: one way or another, often by hypoxia, where the cabin 391 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: of the plane is um depressurized in a way that 392 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: there's not enough oxygen for everybody to breathe. And when 393 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: that happens, it's not good. So if you imagine a 394 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: ghost flight or a ghost plane that's still full of 395 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: passengers and a flight crew, but everybody in there is 396 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: a sleep or you know, dying essentially, but the plane 397 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: is still aloft, flying around, maybe doing a circle over 398 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: a city, waiting to land. Uh, yeah, that's that's really 399 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: that's really disturbing and creepy. Did y'all watch that show 400 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Station eleven thought it was called? Uh it was about 401 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of a post apocalyptic kind of thing about like 402 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: a virus. Uh. That dude, Hero Marai directed a bunch 403 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: of it and not just thought it was really fabulous. 404 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: But there's a situation where there's a ghost plane kind 405 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: of it's a plane full of people infected with this 406 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: plague and they essentially are not allowed to leave the plane. Um, 407 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: so it's a different kind of ghost plane. Yeah. Yeah, 408 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: and and and it's not too far away from a 409 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: possible future, um Matt. One thing that I really appreciate 410 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: that you point out was the Helios flight five h 411 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: That again, this is the ghost flight hypoxias stuff has 412 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: occurred in multiple instances and continues to occur in the 413 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: recent day. Could you tell us a little bit about Helios, Yes, Ben, 414 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: this is a flight. It was Helios Airways flight five 415 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: two two two. It occurred on August four, two thousand five, 416 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: and it was a situation where the plane went up, 417 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: cabin was depressurized, not enough oxygen inside. The crew was 418 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: unable to stop it from happening. And it goes back 419 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: to that situation put your mask on, like you said, Ben, 420 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: on yourself before your you know, your loved ones or 421 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: anybody else. Um. They were just unable to do anything, 422 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: and the flight ended up circling over a city until 423 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: the fuel ran out. Basically, so the whole thing is 424 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: on autopilot and nobody could do anything about it. The 425 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: military even scrambled jets to check on the thing, and 426 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: they could see that there was nobody in the pilot seat, 427 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: or at least they couldn't see anyone in the pilot seat. 428 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: But they could see the co pilots slumped over the controls, 429 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: and a couple of windows were open, and there were 430 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: people with the masks down that see. They looked like 431 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: they were incapacitated. And that's all they could see in 432 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: the flights, just going around and around and around. Shout 433 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: out to everybody listening to this episode on a plane. Uh, 434 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great time. Also, also we'll 435 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: get to we'll get to some of the uh, paranormal 436 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: stuff as well. We needed to establish that there are 437 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: real things, real events that you will here described as 438 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: ghost planes or ghost flights. If you go to the 439 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: idea of haunted planes, you'll see tons of apocryphal stories, 440 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, the perfect kind of like unsolved mystery time 441 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: life presents, legends told tales about ghosts. You know, there 442 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: are stories of kids, like ghostly ghostly children voices talking 443 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: out for the radio to wear traffic control. Uh. And 444 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: then there their stories of passengers who are not on 445 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: a manifest just appearing and then saying something cryptic or 446 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 1: heartwarming to someone on the crew or someone alive from 447 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: the restroom, and then they're like, hey, go tell the 448 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: passenger in seven A that you know, she was right, 449 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I love her, and then they vanish or there. 450 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: This is one of the most interesting ones in decades 451 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: past stories of planes that disappear only to return decades later, 452 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away from their destination. And these are 453 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: some of the legends that I think, uh, I think 454 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: we're treated as fact by a lot of people when 455 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: they first read about this. Some of them sound like bunk. 456 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean, straight out of the Weekly World News, which 457 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: spoiler they were, yeah, or the National Enquirer. This one, 458 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: as you said, been actually the Weekly World News and 459 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: actual tabloid. Was there a picture associated with this story, 460 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: because those are always the best when they have a 461 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: like poorly photoshopped image, you know, massive le printed and 462 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: clearly forged. And Elvis Presley is pregnant. Bat Boy refuses 463 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: to pay alimony. Yeah, oh Jesus, mat boy caught in 464 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: night out horror show. All right, well, let's tell the 465 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: tale of PanAm flight. That's right. PanAm Flight nine fourteen 466 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: was a Douglas DC four with fifty seven passengers and 467 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: six crew members bound for Miami, Florida on July two. 468 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: Nine takes off from New York City. The flight was 469 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: scheduled last just a couple of hours, that's a short flight. 470 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: But it never arrived in Miami. Instead, the story goes, 471 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: it showed up unannounced and invisible to radar on March nine, 472 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, thirty years later in Caracas. You know, 473 00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: like air traffic controllers are are going wait what what? Uh? 474 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: So for a few years after this story hits the news, 475 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: uthologists and various fringe researchers love to go back and 476 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: forth with this what happened? You know, why won't Uncle 477 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: Sam or Venezuela really talk about pan AM flight nine 478 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: one four? Uh? Because it never happened. It's a story. 479 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: It's completely fictional. I know. It was published in Weekly 480 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: World News in ve the same year that that paper 481 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: claimed this flight had mysteriously reappeared. And then further as 482 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: as we can see, Weekly World News published basically the 483 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: same story two times in the nineteen nineties, and they 484 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: switched it up a little bit and they said, Okay, 485 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: this flight did disappear in nineteen fifty five, just like 486 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: you said, NOL, but this time it landed in complication. Yeah, dang, 487 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: that may be so excited because it would be a 488 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: real wormhole situation, guys, And I've been longing for a 489 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: real wormhole situation every time, every time I'm on a 490 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: flight edit lands. If I ever fall asleep on a plane, 491 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: then you guys know how rarely sleep. If I ever 492 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: fall asleep on a plane, I'm just hoping that when 493 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: it lands, I'll be in a totally different you know, 494 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: like timeline. Right. If you guys ever read Yes by 495 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: Stephen King, Yeah, there's that's a cool plane time traveling 496 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: timey whinmy kind of story. I've been listening to a 497 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: podcast quick Shadows called Just King Things, and it's these 498 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,479 Speaker 1: two really smart fellows that are going through every single 499 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: one of Stephen King's book books in publication order. And 500 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm listening to something even if I haven't read the books, 501 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: but many of them I have. And they point out 502 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: that King often men Shin's the Bermuda triangle and then 503 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: the idea of like weird stuff happening over that part 504 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: of the ocean. Not to mention Ben, I think of 505 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: a favorite trope of yours with King. Um is haunted 506 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: or sentient or haunted inanimate objects, uh, specifically vehicles. You know, 507 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: whether it be you know, Christine with a with a 508 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: Car or the Mangler, which was about a haunted laundry machine. Um. 509 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's an interesting trope 510 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: in in sci fi. The King kind of spearheaded and 511 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: sort of made it a thing. I don't know. I 512 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: think it's neat makes me wonder if he, you know, 513 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: took any inspiration for many of these stories that we're 514 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: talking about today. I'm sure he read the weekly World News. 515 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: Come on, you know, Stephen King had that You imagine 516 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: all the cool stories that you could find and glean 517 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: from that stuff. And another example would be Santiago flight 518 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: five thirteen. What happens with his Santiago flight? Well, it's 519 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four and according to the story you guys, 520 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: this Santiago Airlines flight number five thirteen. It took off 521 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: from Germany on its way to Brazil and it disappeared 522 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: while flying over the Atlantic. Okay, I mean that's horrifying 523 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: and terrible, that would make the news. But what happened 524 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: next is truly supernatural. Yes, it did eventually land in 525 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: Brazil in nineteen eighty nine, and when the ground crew 526 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: at the Brazilian airport approached this flight. They found the 527 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: plane intact, but it looked weathered, and every seat inside 528 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: had a skeleton in there, dried and desiccated, as though 529 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: eons had passed. Spoiler, they did not use the word 530 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: aions because that's two out of balance for the vocabulary 531 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: of the Weekly World News, which also made up this story. 532 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, a lot of the 533 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: protections that the Weekly World News and Joy that allows 534 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: them to just print whatever. Both, you know, they like, yeah, 535 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: but I mean, like, you know, there's also laws against 536 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: screaming fire, you know, in a in a crowded space. 537 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: I mean, not that that's the journalist equivalent what they're 538 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: doing exactly, but I guess it must be just it's 539 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: so beyond the bounds of credibility that you know, who 540 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: who would believe it? And also another reputation of the publication. 541 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: But I don't know, it's suppost to be the same 542 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: thing that allows the onion to operate. You know what. 543 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: It reminds me of Ben, the first episode of Fringe 544 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: that you made me watch and then I ended up 545 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: watching the whole dang thing. People don't make people do things. 546 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: People should. You have choices? Are your own but the 547 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: h Yeah, you know, I was thinking of fringe as well. 548 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, humanity has always been captivated the idea of transit, right, 549 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: and so a new form of transit must seem somehow magical, 550 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: especially if it's something you cannot do on your own. Sorry, 551 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: human beings. Currently none of you can fly unaided. Uh. 552 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: There are some people who are good at gliding, and 553 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: they also inevitably end up on the grounds of them. Uh. 554 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: There's another story, though, that is not from the Weekly 555 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: World News. It's a story that is illustrative of the folklore, right, 556 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: the modern folklore surrounding the concept of haunted airplanes and aircraft. 557 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: It's the story of Eastern Airlines Flight four zero one. 558 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: I don't know about you all, but I had not 559 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: heard of this one at all until we started digging 560 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: into this episode. And to keep it a hun percent here, 561 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm surprised I didn't hear about it because it was 562 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: quite a big deal in pop culture, which becomes part 563 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: of the problem. But it was a real flight, and 564 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: it was a genuine tragedy, and Miami comes up again 565 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: in this story. We're talking specifically about Eastern Airlines Flight 566 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: four oh one, which departed from New York for Miami 567 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: on December between ninth, nineteen seventy two. This was a 568 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: Lockheed L ten eleven UM which crashed in I R 569 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: L into the Florida Everglades, which, as we know, is 570 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: full of creepy Crawley's they can eat human remains UM. 571 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: Both pilots and the flight engineer died, along with two 572 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: out of the ten flight attendants and ninety six out 573 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: of the dred three passengers aboard, with seventy five survivors UM. 574 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: A researcher by the name of John Fuller actually wrote 575 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: a book about this came out in nineteen seventy six 576 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: called The Ghost of Flight four oh one, and he 577 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: said that the crash was only the beginning of of 578 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: this tragedy. Yeah, because the tragedy it was, But some 579 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: of the parts from that crash we're still functioning and 580 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: able to be taken you away from where from the 581 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: crash site and placed into another vehicle that needed servicing, 582 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: needed a spare part or something. Um. It's it's a 583 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: strange thing, guys. I didn't know that was even a 584 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: practice like once a flight had crashed. I don't know 585 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: if it is. It feels ghoulish, doesn't it, especially you're 586 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: a commercial airliner. Military different calculation. But but yeah, the 587 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: idea that you would find this crash and the plane 588 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: was found and there were survivors. Uh, the idea that 589 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, now that the news has died down, 590 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: let's you know, let's look around, let's see is this 591 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: seat still good? Can we put this seat on another 592 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: semi identical plane? Uh? That's still goes through such a 593 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: large forensics uh time period right where they're recreating the 594 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: crash site and all of that stuff within a hangar somewhere, 595 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: and they just spend years with it, analyzing it, and 596 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: just to then take it afterwards and repurpose. Yeah, you're 597 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: it's weird. Yeah, coolish Again, if you guys ever heard 598 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: the delightfully idiotic question, or maybe it's just a meme 599 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: of why don't they make the whole plane out of 600 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: the stuff they make the black box out of? Well, 601 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: then it wouldn't fly. Oh yeah, Yeah, it's a good question, 602 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: and it's it's it is. It's funny, but it's also 603 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: silly because I mean, obviously to make an impervious, you know, 604 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: lock box of of information that would survive being in 605 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: a crash and hit by you know, heavy arms probably 606 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: have to be made, some pretty serious stuff that would 607 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: probably sink a plane. The whole thing was made of it. 608 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: In the end, we're very squishy, and if we're inside 609 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: something as impenetrable as we want it to be, we 610 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: are pretty squishy. No, we're squished. Yeah, you always when 611 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: they're like, it's that moment when you realize, oh, I'm 612 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: supposed to wear a seatbelt on a plane in case 613 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: it takes a serious dive, and then my meat body 614 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: just flies up against the ceiling and all my bones 615 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: get crushed. Like why are they harping on the seatbelt 616 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: so much? Or like how or like how Tony Stark 617 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: in the Iron Man suit never seems to bump against 618 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: the interior of the suit the whole time. It's a 619 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: it's a huge plot hole and magical technology they haven't 620 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: exactly know. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to have heroes. That's cool. 621 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: So over the over the following years, the story goes 622 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: there were rumors this aircraft three eighteen technically in three 623 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: one a e A that had some of these salvaged 624 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: parts from this horrific crash. It became home to ghost 625 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: and passengers and crew alike on these Eastern Airline flights 626 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: would see folks like the flight engineer or the captain 627 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: or dead passenger sitting on the plane, moving around and again. 628 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: According to legend, Eastern Airlines eventually said, you know what, 629 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: We're going to remove these salvaged parts from three eighteen 630 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: and when they did, the hauntings stopped. The souls had 631 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 1: been put to rest. This became a part of popular culture. 632 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm so surprised that none of us heard about this. 633 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't before we went on air today we 634 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: played a brief trailer of a made for TV film 635 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: by NBC starting Ernest boor nine, called the Ghosts of 636 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: Flight four oh one, based off that author's book, And 637 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: then I didn't even know about this. There was a 638 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: guy named Bob Welch who was a member of Fleetwood 639 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 1: Mac for a time, but not not like a long 640 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: term member, and he recorded a song about Flight four 641 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: oh one on his solo album three Hearts from nineteen 642 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: seventy nine. I'm being too radio DJ about it. We're 643 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: not going to play the song. We can't afford it. 644 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: We can't afford it. But you know, even today, despite 645 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: the story of the spare parts being replaced, you know, 646 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: ceasing the haunting, there are still reports from like about 647 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: this thing happening and people seeing ghosts on planes flying 648 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: over the Everglades, specifically ghosts from flight four oh one. 649 00:44:54,520 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: And this was mentioned in UH non fringe research circles. 650 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: Flight Safety Foundation, a trade newsletter mentions the crash in 651 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: UH an issue they put out in nine four. This 652 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: is a publicity nightmare for this airline. UH. We found 653 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: a we found a book called From the Captain to 654 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: the Colonel, An Informal History of Eastern Airlines, written by 655 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: a guy named Robert J. Sterling. And in this book, 656 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: the the CEO of Eastern Airlines at the time, a 657 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: former astronaut by the way named Frank Borman, says these 658 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: ghost stories are garbage. And you can also find a 659 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: little bit of back and forth about people deciding whether 660 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: or not to sue each other. Side note that Robert 661 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,800 Speaker 1: Sterling guy older brother of Rod Sterling who went on 662 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: to the Twilight Zone. Yeah so I think I think 663 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: when we see aviation episodes of Twilight Zone, maybe checked 664 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,919 Speaker 1: with Rod about Robert. Also, people are out here still 665 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 1: naming their kids with the same first letter. It just 666 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,479 Speaker 1: I guess it's convenient, you know what I mean, Bob 667 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: and Rod. Actually that sounds really cool. No, I retract 668 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: my earlier comment. That is a good plan. So in 669 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: this book, Robert Sterling, not Twilight Zone Rod Sterling, Old 670 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: Robbie says no wreckage from flight four o one ever 671 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: made it onto another plane, and no one at Eastern 672 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:48,320 Speaker 1: Airlines could find anyone crew or passenger who genuinely claimed 673 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: to see a ghost firsthand. It's always a story I 674 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: heard from someone who met someone who saw something, you 675 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And this is where we have 676 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Brian Dunning over at 677 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: the Skeptoid podcast, who who believes that he's traced the 678 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: the pop culture growth of this to a very bad, 679 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: off color joke about aircraft three a team making an 680 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: emergency landing in Mexico City. It's still like you mentioned earlier, 681 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: NOL is still an L to an eleven. It's just 682 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: a different iteration. And this pilot joked about this emergency 683 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: landing and said it was scary. For a minute, I 684 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: thought Don Repo's ghost was on the plane. Don Repo 685 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: was the flight engineer for the ill fated four oh one. 686 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: He perished in the crash. So maybe that's how this 687 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: folklore starts, right, someone makes a joke, That joke gets 688 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: taken seriously and accelerates people and bellish it, maybe to 689 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: make a buck, maybe because they don't have all the facts. 690 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: And now you get into these increasingly surreal situations. Speaking 691 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: of surreal, we did promise you that we would introduce 692 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: you to one crazy, crazy guy. So we're gonna take 693 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,320 Speaker 1: a pause for a word from our sponsors and will return. 694 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: What better way to land the episode than to talk 695 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: about Deli Mike and we're back. So then Deli Mike. 696 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: Is this a guy that makes sandwiches? What are we 697 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: talking about? Deli Mike. We're talking about Deli Mike or 698 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: Deli Mayek. It's like a Jersey Mike kind of situation. 699 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: It would be so cool, right we we probably one 700 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: of our fellow listeners might have the street named Deli Mike. 701 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: And Mike, if you're hearing this, we want to we 702 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: want to figure out what your sandwich situation is. We're 703 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: gonna be on the road or to stop at your 704 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: deli uh in in Turkish uh Delhi met means crazy Mike. 705 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 1: This is the street name of an infamous airbus, A 706 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,760 Speaker 1: three forty Uh probably the most famous quote unquote haunted 707 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: playing in the world today. Yeah, um, Deli Mike or 708 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: Delhi Mike, m a y k or Mike, you know, 709 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: like we would spell shorthand for Michael or crazy Mike 710 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: in Turkish what that translates to. Became a part of 711 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: the Turkish Airlines fleet in nineteen um It was designed 712 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,840 Speaker 1: and intended to operate long haul flights out of Turkey 713 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: from nineteen to twenty nineteen. Deli Mike was kind of 714 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 1: This had his reputation almost Ben you described it, uh 715 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: beautifully as sort of being like a bit of a 716 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: bad boy of the skies with a little bit of 717 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 1: an edge, right, Yeah, prank love eccentric. This is an 718 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: object of power for anybody familiar with Control the video 719 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: game or familiar with SCP lore on the internet. Mike 720 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: seemed to have random technical issues. Sometimes cabin lights would 721 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: turn on seemingly of their own volition, and then the 722 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: crew would come to investigate and they turn off, like, Uh, 723 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,439 Speaker 1: you didn't give me yet, all right, you know, tech 724 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,839 Speaker 1: not it or whatever? Uh. The crew. Also, apparently there's 725 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of lore around this, and a lot of 726 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: it's mainly in Turkish media. The crew would get tendant calls, 727 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, you hit the little cole uh flight attendant 728 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,320 Speaker 1: button and they would be sent to the wrong seat 729 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: ha ha classic mike uh. Or a passenger would try 730 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: to turn on their reading light and they would see 731 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,719 Speaker 1: another light turn on for a different seat. Now, for 732 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: a lot of us familiar with electrical wiring, this sounds 733 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: like maybe somebody just got their wires crossed, right. It 734 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: sounds an awful lot like that, almost exactly like that. 735 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,240 Speaker 1: In fact, well there's but there's weirder stuff too. There's 736 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: one situation where the emergency lights you know that are 737 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: on the floor, uh, those had a tendency to begin 738 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: like they're off. Imagine they would begin to turn on 739 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: in a wave, so from the back of the plane 740 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: sweeping football the way to the front and in almost 741 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 1: playful manner or like a staged manner. We're athropomorphizing a 742 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 1: little bit, but you kind of have to to really 743 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: enjoy it, right. It's like, you know, if you've ever 744 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: been at a stadium during a game and people do 745 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: the wave on mass in a crowd. You know, you 746 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,439 Speaker 1: want to be part of it. You want to be cool. 747 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: So uh, apparently flight attendants took this to mean crazy 748 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,320 Speaker 1: Mike Deli. Mike was in a good mood. Uh. The 749 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: most famous stories about this plane hinge on flight instruments. 750 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: Apparently there was an emergency signal emitted in the cockpit 751 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,400 Speaker 1: a edit me here, Paul, A kind of signal that 752 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,800 Speaker 1: would indicate an ocean moment. And this terrified some of 753 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: the newer crew members. But the old hands that people 754 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: who have been with this plane for a while said, 755 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 1: you know, it's just class. You know, it's Mike. Just 756 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: give him a second, let him take a breather, give 757 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: him ten, give him ten, we'll get off this runway. 758 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: Don't worry. Don't you worry about it. Uh. And then 759 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 1: we've got my I think, at least for me. You guys, 760 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: this is my favorite story about crazy Mike. It's a 761 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: story of an old engineer who apparently knew Mike quite well. 762 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: So one day there was an instrument malfunction UM and 763 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: the crew could not get the plane back online UM 764 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,720 Speaker 1: or couldn't get it back to its you know specs. 765 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 1: It's it's baseline kind of standards legend has it, They 766 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: called in an old technician familiar with Mike, was very 767 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 1: intimately familiar. The old fellow knocked on the cockpit door, 768 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 1: walked in and said, what happened to you, big man? 769 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 1: Then the old tech hung out with the pilots for 770 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: a bit before strolling away into the sunset, never physically 771 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: working on the plane, never actually touching the component. And 772 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,840 Speaker 1: good question the malfunctioning component. And apparently the conversation was 773 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: plenty pleasant because right after that everything went right back 774 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: to normal. All of the haywire kind of readouts started 775 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,279 Speaker 1: to level out, didn't They Almost as though this man 776 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: was calming to the plane. He coaxed it into behaving 777 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: correctly again. And crazy Mike's back in the sky. You know, 778 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: I love I love this idea. This is again apocryphal, 779 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: but there are people in Turkish airlines who will swear 780 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: by it. I love this idea that you could. You 781 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,359 Speaker 1: can walk in and kind of have this moment off air, Matt, 782 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,800 Speaker 1: you brought up something that I had forgotten about our 783 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,680 Speaker 1: one time fearless leader and a mentor to us. Uh 784 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,919 Speaker 1: regularly spoke with finicky machines. Yes, much in the same 785 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: way as this story. If there was a problem that 786 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 1: let's say, just for instance, I assumed it was a 787 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: software issue, maybe even a hardware issue, when something was 788 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,319 Speaker 1: malfunctioning with my Mac and I just couldn't get things 789 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 1: to work right, I'd get frustrated and try and figure 790 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 1: out and solve the problem, like again via software hardware, 791 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,800 Speaker 1: and Roxanne would stroll in just be like just gently 792 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: put her hand on the machine, be like, oh, it's okay, 793 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: it's okay, buddy, be all right, it's all right. Let's 794 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: just take a minute, just relax a little bit and 795 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: talking to my computer, not to to me. Right, Yes, yeah, 796 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,960 Speaker 1: I remember that I've seen similar moments. What I what 797 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 1: I also recall is that the temperature would drop down 798 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: a few degrees fahrenheit during those conversations, which that well, 799 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: that was my that was my perception. But uh, but 800 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,800 Speaker 1: perhaps my perception is incorrect. Yeah, people, a lot of 801 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners right now, if you work around machinery, 802 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,800 Speaker 1: especially complex machinery, then you you may also find yourself, 803 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, maybe muttering under your breath, like come on, 804 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: just not today, don't do this to me today, tyson 805 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 1: or whatever. You call whatever your name for your sheen 806 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,880 Speaker 1: is UH. And again, if it's a superstition, it's not 807 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: hurting anyone, you're fine, You're good to go. But is 808 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: it possible that talking to Uh an inanimate object, right 809 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: or a nonsentient thing, may have some sort of result. 810 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people believe something like that. Low key, 811 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people believe that. And Mike here, our 812 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,720 Speaker 1: pal Mike, is treated less like a quote unquote haunted 813 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: plane and more like a friendly, quirky sentient object. You know. 814 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 1: It's like if it's a ghost, it's like Slimmer and Ghostbusters, 815 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,280 Speaker 1: and it is a mischievous, little little pinch of the cheeks, 816 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: but not out to actually harm anyone. I don't know, man, 817 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: he was a little chaotic in the movie. He was 818 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,240 Speaker 1: a little more of a familiar in the real Ghostbusters cartoon. 819 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: But I always found him horrifying in the In the 820 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,760 Speaker 1: first Ghostbusters movie, he's kind of comes at you, drooling 821 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 1: all the while. Yeah, and he does slime people, hence 822 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: the name. You know. I always wondered about his background too, 823 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: like is he was he ever a human being? That guy, 824 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's this guy. Landis Max Landez, who 825 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,520 Speaker 1: I think got kind of canceled um for some bad 826 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: male behavior. But he he did do an interesting YouTube 827 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,520 Speaker 1: video I think before this happened, where he talked about 828 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: his Ghostbusters sequel where it explains Slimmer's backstory. So if 829 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: you're interested, just look up Max Lande's Ghostbuster sequel. He 830 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: does have a pretty clever pitch for what what Slimmer's 831 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 1: backstory was nice, but but Mike in this case was 832 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: not like Slimmer in that way. He was very it 833 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 1: didn't harm anybody. I just want to bring this up 834 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: right before we end here, guys. I was reading about 835 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: a an accident that Deli Mike got into at some 836 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,520 Speaker 1: point in twos. They called it a what do they 837 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: call They call it an excursion. I believe it's where 838 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: on the plane lands, it goes off the runway just 839 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: a bit. But nobody was harmed in that, I guess incident. 840 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: But it did, you know, cause some pretty significant damage 841 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: to the landing gear when it occurred, and then you 842 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 1: know that landing gear, that piece of Deli Mike had 843 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: to get replaced. And there's a story I can't remember 844 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,240 Speaker 1: which link it was in. Ben was one of the 845 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 1: links you shared. There's a story that all of the 846 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: component parts of Delhi Mike's electronics over the years had 847 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: been replaced completely because because the ship of thesis. Yes, 848 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: because the engineers were like, well, clearly there's something wrong 849 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: with the wiring that we're just not able to see, 850 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: so let's replace this entire thing, every component, and it 851 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,400 Speaker 1: still did. It's weird stuff. Yeah, I get him, Mike. 852 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: This uh that that is I read about the landing 853 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: gear as well, and this idea of slowly replacing every 854 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,760 Speaker 1: component of a thing, and if that idea of the 855 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: thing is still the same, it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating. 856 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,440 Speaker 1: And also we have to ask about the nature of 857 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: perception and observation. To what degree does the human mind 858 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 1: interfere with something when it observes that thing right, that action, 859 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 1: that activity, that relationship. Folks, you can see all sorts 860 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: of again, quirky fun reports about our guy crazy Mike 861 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 1: are playing. I should say, uh, and the hijinks that 862 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: my that is attributed to this air bus. But a 863 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: lot of those have what I would call big slow 864 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,840 Speaker 1: news day vibes. You know, they're they're there, Hey, look 865 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: at that kind of things they're not what does this mean? Reports? 866 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 1: We want to end on a good note, so ultimately 867 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,560 Speaker 1: our pal and hopefully yours, Crazy Mike Delhi. Mike was 868 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:14,960 Speaker 1: retired and stored in Johanna, Johannesburg, South Africa. And just 869 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,040 Speaker 1: last month, as we record this, in December of twenty two, 870 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Crazy Mike and a couple other air buses, all from 871 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Turkish Airlines retired. We're flown out to Uzbekistan on December 872 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve for the Christians and they got trailed. They 873 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: made an emergency landing in Tehran, and Dutch media speculates 874 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: that Iran may have done this on purpose to get 875 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: around the Western sanctions for buying new aircraft. So right 876 01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 1: now our pal Crazy Mike is uh living it up 877 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: in Tehran. He's on another adventure bro crazy stuff you know. Uh, 878 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: well that's our that's our episode on haunted airplanes. And 879 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: I think none of us have encountered ghostly stuff on airplanes, 880 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 1: but we've all been in surreal situations on airplanes. You 881 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: meet people in a weird liminal space. I'm curious, Matt Noel, 882 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: do you do you think we might have anybody listening 883 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: to the show today or tonight who has a paranormal 884 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: experience on aircraft. There's also a really good um heavy 885 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Metal segment and the heavy Metal animated film, not the 886 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: more recent one, the Heavy Metal two thousands something, but 887 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,520 Speaker 1: the one from like the eighties where there's like a 888 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,120 Speaker 1: warship piloted by the zombie skeletons, which is just a 889 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 1: really cool, you know, a little horror horror story. UM. 890 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's interesting because we we do. I 891 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,080 Speaker 1: think typically think more of ghost chips, you know, and 892 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,120 Speaker 1: like either ships found a drift or ships where everyone 893 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: has died because they were marooned or something like that. Um, 894 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 1: So I do think it's interesting to kind of take 895 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: that concept to the sky. I mean, it takes all kinds. 896 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I imagine there's somebody that's seen something. I think the 897 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 1: creepiest thing I've seen on airplane is like, um, I 898 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,480 Speaker 1: guess when the temperature differential is just right, sometimes when 899 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,200 Speaker 1: the air gets pumped through, it kind of looks like 900 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,680 Speaker 1: a gas where it's like you can see it like 901 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, vapor and almost looks like the way it 902 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: looks in movies when like they pump poisonous gas through 903 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 1: the ventilation systems. So I definitely got freak testing that 904 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: one time. But that's about it for me. I don't 905 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,919 Speaker 1: know about you all, but I'm tired of these mother 906 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 1: flipping spirits on this mother flipping yeah, and all this 907 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,680 Speaker 1: mother flipping cocaine and these mother flipping bears. You know 908 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 1: what's up with that? It's just, you know, I remember 909 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:59,280 Speaker 1: when tornadoes were just wind and debris and houses an 910 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,720 Speaker 1: unfortunate children in Kansas and Nebraska. It was way be 911 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,080 Speaker 1: carried the magical way before they started putting sharks and 912 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff. You know, there's a there's a tornado 913 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:17,600 Speaker 1: culture war. Uh don't believe big shark. Uh also snakes 914 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,840 Speaker 1: on a plane. That's how. That's how you know you 915 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 1: got a good title for something. We want to hear 916 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,080 Speaker 1: your stories. We have a lot of people who are 917 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: listening now, fellow conspiracy realist who work in the aviation industry, 918 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,840 Speaker 1: have a pilot's license or have or have been on 919 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 1: a plane and encountered something that is inexplicable. We would 920 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts. If you are listening to 921 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,160 Speaker 1: this and you happen to have a connect with our 922 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,920 Speaker 1: pal Crazy Mike, we'd love to We'd love to do 923 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 1: a podcast hanging out with Crazy Mike. Let us know 924 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,920 Speaker 1: we try to be easy to find online. Oh, indeed, 925 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,920 Speaker 1: check us out on the internet where we are conspiracy 926 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: stuff on YouTube, um on Facebook, or we have a 927 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: group called Here's where it Gets Crazy and on Twitter, 928 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: on Instagram or conspiracy stuff show also on TikTok were 929 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,720 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff right show show boom TikTok as well. Lots 930 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,240 Speaker 1: of fun stuff popping off on Instagram and TikTok these days. Uh, 931 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,440 Speaker 1: catch us on TikTok before it gets out laud right then? 932 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, car pai deum Uh. And if you 933 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,160 Speaker 1: also like to live in the now, but you don't 934 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: care for sipping the social meads, perhaps you're taking a 935 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 1: dry january from the various online forms of communication and 936 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,720 Speaker 1: you want to go old school. You have a story 937 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 1: to tell, Well, we want to hear it, and we 938 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,360 Speaker 1: don't want social media to get in the way. Please 939 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: do give us a phone call. 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