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Speaker 1: I am Greg Sauceman. For what's going on? Not much, Greggy.
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Speaker 1: on Greedy. How's your weekend? Uh? We it was weird, weird.
Speaker 1: I had my auction draft yesterday and I did not
Speaker 1: go to plan. We're gonn talking about it throughout the
Speaker 1: show today. Mike Leonie will be on the program today. Uh,
Speaker 1: coming up eating about twenty minutes or show from now,
Speaker 1: because we I have a brand new df AS optimizer
Speaker 1: over at Daily Roader dot com. And it's not a
Speaker 1: brand new optimizer, it's just kind of redone. There's new
Speaker 1: things added to it and optimized. There you go. Dred
Speaker 1: dick Meyer gives it a fantastic how to video, which
Speaker 1: is available now on our YouTube page. It was exactly
Speaker 1: what you should be doing, and leon is gonna you
Speaker 1: threw the walkthrough and and he's gonna talk to me
Speaker 1: about my auction team. Obviously that helps too because I'm
Speaker 1: very interested in using the optimizer as well. So I
Speaker 1: want to get all the information as I possibly could
Speaker 1: to have a a fruitful DFCS in Greggy. Yeah all right, Um,
Speaker 1: so how's your weekend? Apologizing get a wedding over the weekend? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fun. I went to Andy Singleton at People's
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Speaker 1: to his wedding this Saturday. It was in bay Ridge, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was a really good time. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: lots dancing, lots of drink, food, ton of people, over
Speaker 1: three people. It's by for the biggest way I've ever
Speaker 1: been to in my life. But that was a great time.
Speaker 1: So shout out to any Singleton, congress to him. We
Speaker 1: have to have him on the show soon enough as well,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we should just knock this out
Speaker 1: off the top for like five wrestling listener watchers better here.
Speaker 1: Summer Slam was not good. No, it was not made
Speaker 1: balls during it. That was actually delicious. The next he
Speaker 1: was much better and he was awesome. Man, Oh sec
Speaker 1: I mean to me, the cool match is still my favorite.
Speaker 1: Like that was my favorite match of the show for sure,
Speaker 1: because it was really really fun. Summer Slam was weird.
Speaker 1: It was just weird. It's very long. I'm really happy
Speaker 1: ending go because it's really really long. Um, but it's fun. Whatever. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. That was my whole weekend. Um, Okay, so
Speaker 1: here we go my auction draft. This today's shows me
Speaker 1: an auction primary, right, like we thought every day about
Speaker 1: snake drafts, and the rest of the week, we'll do
Speaker 1: the wide receiver ranking strategy. Everything we do running backs
Speaker 1: last week, We'll do wide receivers the rest of the week.
Speaker 1: And we have our big draft on Saturday, so we'll
Speaker 1: get into that on Friday. But today was supposed to
Speaker 1: be my auction draft. But because people kind of change
Speaker 1: their schedules around, we were able to do it on
Speaker 1: Sunday morning at nine am, and it's a weekend. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be uplate. It made a lot more
Speaker 1: sense to do it at that time. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I wasn't ready. I feel like I was ready,
Speaker 1: But this everything changed, Dude, everything changed. I'm so used
Speaker 1: to I've said that so many times. I've written it
Speaker 1: in a book, that you want to be aggressive early
Speaker 1: because the prices will the prices. People aren't so excited
Speaker 1: to spend money early, So you want to get you know,
Speaker 1: that first wide receiver in this year, you get you
Speaker 1: know on that first running back in this year because
Speaker 1: everybody else is going to be higher. But that didn't
Speaker 1: happen in my draft on Sunday. Usually a lot of
Speaker 1: people wind up saving their money and there's no unbelievable deals.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows. I love the wide receiver threes this here,
Speaker 1: the Robert Woods here, the Emmanuel Sanders to here. I've
Speaker 1: talked about that incessantly. We'll do it again later this week. Okay,
Speaker 1: all those guys went for nothing because what we had
Speaker 1: the money left. So one guy had money and he
Speaker 1: swept all over them up. Usually I'm one of those
Speaker 1: guys that have a balanced team and not a stars
Speaker 1: and scrub guy, but I usually have a balanced team.
Speaker 1: Became very clear yesterday, very very early, um that that
Speaker 1: was not gonna be the case yesterday, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get into it right now. So the first player nominated
Speaker 1: yesterday it was Melvin Gordon. So what we say, and
Speaker 1: we're the tenth ranked running back. Whatever he is, he's
Speaker 1: he's in the nine, eight, whatever doesn't matter. So and
Speaker 1: I was really happy he was the first person nominated
Speaker 1: because then it was just like he's he's my eight. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that was gonna be a good idea. Like, my
Speaker 1: thought was he'd be a really good price because there
Speaker 1: were still seven other guys or six other guys that
Speaker 1: were available. Now, how much are you willing to pay
Speaker 1: for Melvin Gordon? Okay? Interesting? How much of me? Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon went for two auction budget? Uh? Over fifty? Over fifty?
Speaker 1: Is that a good price? And so he went? So
Speaker 1: he went for fifty five. I had budgeted him in
Speaker 1: my ideal world, I had budgeted him for fifty bucks
Speaker 1: because I had the highest guys going for in the
Speaker 1: sixties is close to and I thought he would go
Speaker 1: in the pitty box. Maybe you got a deal on him,
Speaker 1: you go high forty something like that. So we went
Speaker 1: fifty five. I'm like, whoa, that's a lot for Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon comparatively what everybody else will go for. The problem
Speaker 1: was everybody went for that. So everybody above Melvin Gordon
Speaker 1: in my rankings, I have Cream Haunt above him, Cream Haunt,
Speaker 1: se Quon Barkley, I'm a Camara, is he hell Elliot,
Speaker 1: David Johnson, lady On Beltag Gurley. They all go for
Speaker 1: above milk. Melvin Gordon did, and they should and they
Speaker 1: should that's fine, but that they set like that oxen floor.
Speaker 1: They set that floor for the tier, so you knew
Speaker 1: at the rest of that tier and these elite running backs,
Speaker 1: and this is what you know. People sometimes will ask us, like,
Speaker 1: how come you don't talk about auction enough. You don't
Speaker 1: talk about how much players are worth. You really just
Speaker 1: have to have a range and you have to be
Speaker 1: able to adapt to your auction. Right, So we could
Speaker 1: sit here and tell you before say, people had an
Speaker 1: auction last weekend and Friday, we came in and said,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, Melvin Gordon, we have him budgeted
Speaker 1: at around fifty dollars. Don't spend more than that. If
Speaker 1: you didn't do that, then you didn't end up with
Speaker 1: an elite running back. And I didn't and I didn't
Speaker 1: and that wasn't because I didn't budget properly. Because again,
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon was the first kind of the boards I
Speaker 1: could he easily just grab another one of these guys,
Speaker 1: even if I was surprised at the price. But the
Speaker 1: fact that none of them exploded into the not the
Speaker 1: deep sixties, but like there's just that more people were
Speaker 1: willing to spend money than normal on the running back
Speaker 1: position because there's so few running backs. I guess, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason surprised me because you know, quickly after Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon was nominated, Antonio Bratt was nominated. And normally the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver I think goes somewhere in the sixties.
Speaker 1: He was. He was third. He was the third player nominated.
Speaker 1: And as I've said many many times, the first wide
Speaker 1: receiver there in that tier is going to go for
Speaker 1: the cheapest. I have said that over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. So I got an Antonio Brown right like
Speaker 1: all right, I had him. I thought he would go
Speaker 1: for fifty nine. He was at fifty eight. I bid
Speaker 1: was half PPR half PPR, and I got him Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown fifty eight dollars. Okay, fine, imparative to Melvin Gordon Atti,
Speaker 1: I would say, that's a solid deal. But it was
Speaker 1: fine there there was It was not a good deal.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a bad deal? Was it's adequate? I would say.
Speaker 1: Now here's what later became the issue. So David Johnson,
Speaker 1: is he here Elliott fifty and fifty seven respectively? Again
Speaker 1: what they should have gone for. But if I had
Speaker 1: my drawings, I probably would have rather had one of
Speaker 1: those guys at that price. Fine, it's still Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1: It's my first round pick. I'm not complaining. But again,
Speaker 1: he was the first wide receiver in that tier. I
Speaker 1: was interested to see what the next guy would go for.
Speaker 1: So the next guy in that tier was Odell Beckham Jr. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: And I had to figure that Odell Beckham Jr. This
Speaker 1: is three picks later, Odell would get up there. If
Speaker 1: I've had fifty eight, four by one, fifty eight dollars
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. I figured Odell would go for fifty plus.
Speaker 1: Let's say he's got fifty he's not fifty one, like
Speaker 1: this is This isn't right. So I've been fifty two.
Speaker 1: I got him. Not that I was, and I wasn't bidding.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't bidding because I was trying to price
Speaker 1: and force. I said it fifty two to me, Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior is a good deal, and that's why I've
Speaker 1: been on him. To me, it sounds more so like
Speaker 1: a price and force. It wasn't it. Really, It really
Speaker 1: really wasn't based on everything you just said, right, because
Speaker 1: you got you said, Antonio Brown for whatift eight? So
Speaker 1: it was it was a price and force. But a
Speaker 1: price I was still comfortable pay. Yeah, that's fine. Fine,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because that that has happened to me in
Speaker 1: home auctions as well. But I wouldn't have done it
Speaker 1: if I wasn't comfortable. The thing is, can you price
Speaker 1: in force when it's elite players like this, which is
Speaker 1: which is ultimately what you ended up figuring out, which
Speaker 1: seems towards yes. I thought. My thought was, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could you make sure he gets up there? And he didn't,
Speaker 1: and I was it. I want him, so I don't.
Speaker 1: I have no problem spending what dollars on two players,
Speaker 1: I mean ten dollars over my budget, but like, fine,
Speaker 1: that's I can switch that. It was getting the two
Speaker 1: elite wide receivers that I didn't plan. I wanted one
Speaker 1: elite running back, one elite wide receiver, and then figure
Speaker 1: everything out else out because then I can um and
Speaker 1: then I can basically manage the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: But now I had to release a tight because like
Speaker 1: I didn't care about all the other wide receivers that
Speaker 1: went off the board. I needed a running back and
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about my team, and I get that
Speaker 1: I'll get everybody else's team. Later on in the show,
Speaker 1: but then Julio Jones comes up and to me, there's
Speaker 1: four elite, elite guys maybe Antonio Brown, my himself and
Speaker 1: the other three. There's four guys. As four guys, I
Speaker 1: think Julio Jones is next. He goes for fifty bucks
Speaker 1: less than Odell. The last wide receiver out of those
Speaker 1: four was DeAndre Hopkins. I'm like, all right, this is
Speaker 1: the last one. The last one always gets pumped up.
Speaker 1: And I had walked when I was walking into the
Speaker 1: draft and like, you know what, I feel like people
Speaker 1: are sleeping on Hopkins. I think he's a probably a
Speaker 1: good deal. You were for fifty bucks less than O'Dell
Speaker 1: and less than Antonio Brown. And I'm like, damn it,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So the next tier for me is Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, and Davante Adams. Michael Thomas and again I
Speaker 1: got O'Dell for fifty two, Michael Thomas forty seven. I'm like,
Speaker 1: mm hmm, it's five dollars. Maybe maybe it's right Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: who I have arguably next, maybe once maybe Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: between them, Davante Adams forty four. I'm like, that's a
Speaker 1: good one. But clearly people felt differently than I did
Speaker 1: that the tier wasn't just them, because then you had
Speaker 1: A J. Green and keen all and go off the board.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen was last out of these guys. A J.
Speaker 1: Green went for fifty two dollars same one dollar lesson Odell,
Speaker 1: three two dollars more than Julio and DeAndre Hopkins. Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: who I guess everybody felt, was the last of that tier,
Speaker 1: went for fifty five dollars, the second highest price receiver.
Speaker 1: And after that, after those eight guys were off the board,
Speaker 1: then came the drop. Mike Evans was only thirty seven
Speaker 1: dollars and that and that was the drop right there. Again.
Speaker 1: I didn't want Mike Evans. I don't like Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but that price appeared to who I have
Speaker 1: a J. Green the same tier fifty two and thirty seven.
Speaker 1: It is a huge difference. So here's I didn't see
Speaker 1: any of this. Given the way everything shaped out, I
Speaker 1: think you have to feel pretty good about what you
Speaker 1: spent on Odell Beckham. Overall, you spent fifty two. Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen ends up going for more. A J. Green goes
Speaker 1: for the same price. Yes, Davante Adams might have been
Speaker 1: had at a discount. But I think this is what
Speaker 1: we say of often about Auxens Greg is that clearly
Speaker 1: people knew that the end of this elite wide receiver tire,
Speaker 1: which is like the first and second round wide receivers,
Speaker 1: really a J Green Keenan Allen. They saw the end
Speaker 1: of that tier coming, and that's when those guys got
Speaker 1: boosted up. They didn't necessarily see Julio Jones and DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins as like the end of that elite wide receiver tier.
Speaker 1: They saw a J. Green and Keenan Allen at the
Speaker 1: at the at the end of that wide resire t Here,
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say is, yes, I agree with you
Speaker 1: that most times you want to jump in on the
Speaker 1: first elite player of a tier, or like the first
Speaker 1: player of that tier that's being thrown out there. You
Speaker 1: did so on Antonio Brown. I will also say, I
Speaker 1: think it makes sense to also get in on the
Speaker 1: middle of that tier two, because then that's where you
Speaker 1: could have came in on like a Michael Thomas, uh
Speaker 1: Davante Adams something like that. Whereas I think I think
Speaker 1: you'll agree now that you somewhat price and force Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: but for the prices that those other guys went for,
Speaker 1: I think you got him at a fair price, So
Speaker 1: I don't think it's all that bad. I agree. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I think where I if I could
Speaker 1: do it over again instead of spending the fifty if
Speaker 1: I haven't spent a fifty two dollars instead of spending
Speaker 1: it on Odell Beckham in the fifty two player. Here's
Speaker 1: a problem the fifty two dollar player. The running back
Speaker 1: was Leonard four Nette. He went earlier, and I thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna be the four net was gonna be
Speaker 1: the deal. He wasn't. He went fifty two dollars. Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook went fort. Would I rather have Odell or Dalon
Speaker 1: Cook personally? In a vacuum, I'd rather have Odell and
Speaker 1: that that's me, That's my preference, totally right. I'd rather
Speaker 1: have O'dellvin, Dalvin Cook. Every other running back, Hunt Barkley, Kmara, Elliott, Johnson,
Speaker 1: Bell Gurley, every one of them went for more than
Speaker 1: that fifty two dollars. So I didn't see that coming necessarily.
Speaker 1: I didn't see all of these running backs going for
Speaker 1: this much. I read the market wrong, and that's completely
Speaker 1: on me, completely on me. So those are your top
Speaker 1: ten guys in both running backs and wide receivers. That
Speaker 1: was my biggest takeaway from this is that I did
Speaker 1: not see all of these high guys going for this
Speaker 1: much money. Not that guys don't go for a lot
Speaker 1: of money. They do. But as I look at last
Speaker 1: year's results, the top running backs, you had the top
Speaker 1: two Johnson and Bell. Last year. Up for the next
Speaker 1: highest press running back was the Sean McCoy was fifty one.
Speaker 1: Everybody else in the forties, everybody else. The wide receivers.
Speaker 1: The wide receivers were jobviously very popular last year. They
Speaker 1: went for the sixties and the fifties. I guess where
Speaker 1: I went wrong was that all the running backs are
Speaker 1: gonna go in the fifties. All the running backs were
Speaker 1: gonna go in the fifties. There were eight There were
Speaker 1: seven wide receivers that went for fifty year above. Last year.
Speaker 1: Running back wise, there were threes. That's ten players this
Speaker 1: year in my league there were all right nine running
Speaker 1: backs to go over fifty year above. And how many
Speaker 1: wide receivers and I just say one, two or three, four, five, six,
Speaker 1: that's fifteen. So five more players went for over fifty
Speaker 1: and that that changed everything in my in my mind, UM,
Speaker 1: there were more deals to be had. There's more players
Speaker 1: that we're going to get into. UM. In case you're
Speaker 1: wondering that next tier of running backs for me, the
Speaker 1: second rounders, we did a whole show about last week.
Speaker 1: DeVante Freeman, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Howard. People saw them as
Speaker 1: a tier. Now. I as you know, I included jaredra
Speaker 1: Katon and Joe Mixon in that tier. Nobody else did
Speaker 1: that tier of Freeman, McCaffrey and Howard. Freeman went forty eight.
Speaker 1: McCaffrey went for both of those guys very even in
Speaker 1: people's minds, I was I wound up. I had to
Speaker 1: pay for Jordan Howard. He was the last guy on
Speaker 1: the board. In my mind, I paid forty five for
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard. I am not used to spending that much
Speaker 1: money on three players. That is not how I operate.
Speaker 1: I felt a little traffic and needed one of these
Speaker 1: running backs because there was nobody left now, I had
Speaker 1: askt on Jeric McKinnon. I'll get to that in a
Speaker 1: little bit, UM, and we'll go over the craziest buy
Speaker 1: of the draft. We'll go through craziest non buys the draft,
Speaker 1: the whole deal. I know it's talking a lot, it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy auction. I'll talk about it Leone, as well
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Speaker 1: lineups this season, all right. So so there you go,
Speaker 1: Leonie plugging away at the tools inside the Daily Rhodo
Speaker 1: package for NFL here this year. Um So I watched
Speaker 1: Drew's video over the next was last week. Whenever I
Speaker 1: got it that the about the optimizer, and to me,
Speaker 1: what the best part of the video was. It was
Speaker 1: like ten minutes long, and like I'm not someone to
Speaker 1: sit in for an hour and watch a video on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but just but like for for ten minutes you can
Speaker 1: sit and learn how to win some money. What is
Speaker 1: the best part like about the Optimizer this year that
Speaker 1: has changed from last year? I think, well, everything is better.
Speaker 1: I feel like the lineups getting made a lot faster
Speaker 1: than they did last year. You've got a lot more
Speaker 1: control over what you're doing. Last year, you know, it
Speaker 1: was a limited amount of players that you could plug
Speaker 1: into the pool. This year you can plug in all
Speaker 1: the players. But one of the things that I find
Speaker 1: really cool is the ability to generate groups. So if
Speaker 1: I don't want to trust you, like if I don't
Speaker 1: want to just click a generic stack setting that says, oh,
Speaker 1: stack a QB with a wide receiver, I can go
Speaker 1: and make the group and saying okay, if a lineup
Speaker 1: gets made with Drew Brees, make sure you use one
Speaker 1: of Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara, and you can do
Speaker 1: all these cool groups, which if you envision the way
Speaker 1: a game is gonna go, you can have you know,
Speaker 1: a receiver coming back the other way. So they're playing
Speaker 1: Tampa week one, so maybe you want to say, if
Speaker 1: I use Drew Brees, also give me Mike Evans coming
Speaker 1: back the other way for Tampa Bay. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a really cool feature to help you generate a
Speaker 1: lot of lineups that make a lot of sense if
Speaker 1: you're envisioned envisioning certain types of game flows. The only
Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? Long time? No talk? Before I
Speaker 1: jump in on this optimized, I want to ask are
Speaker 1: you a fan of the Bahaman? I don't know who
Speaker 1: the Bahaman? Well, they sing the song who let the
Speaker 1: Dogs Out? I did? I did think of that? Can
Speaker 1: you hear the dogs? I'm sorry, we want to see
Speaker 1: it in the shot. Now bring the dogs there. It's
Speaker 1: my neighbors dogs. Sometimes they just out of them out.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a little different. That's we would want that. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't bring him into the show. All right,
Speaker 1: So Leon, I wanted to. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things going on with this
Speaker 1: optimize here again, you know, go out, go check out
Speaker 1: the video that Drew made. Um I noticed that. You
Speaker 1: know when looking through the players, the positions, you can
Speaker 1: sort by dec salary, by value, by points. Is there
Speaker 1: any one of those things that you specifically do when
Speaker 1: using the optimize the first do you just click on
Speaker 1: value first and then see like all right? Based on
Speaker 1: the daily Rodal projections and the optimizer that this guy
Speaker 1: is the top value according to you know, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? Is that something that you do you normally
Speaker 1: sort out like points, value, decay, salary first? Is that, like,
Speaker 1: what do you do first when you go into the
Speaker 1: optimizer and you're starting to make your lines, what's the
Speaker 1: first thing that you do? I'm sartaing not value right away.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. And what the value column is
Speaker 1: is we basically have determined a threshold based on salary
Speaker 1: for how many points a player should score. So if
Speaker 1: they're you know, six thou dollars on fan duel, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a multiplier and then a fixed amount that we
Speaker 1: use to determine how many they should score, which really
Speaker 1: isn't important the whole the whole ideas, it takes their
Speaker 1: projection uh and subtracts that value threshold, so you can see, Okay,
Speaker 1: a value of six means they're going to score six
Speaker 1: more points then we would normally expect a player at
Speaker 1: this salary. And I think that's a really good way
Speaker 1: to very quickly capture how you're gonna construct your rosters. Okay,
Speaker 1: a couple of cheap running backs are really high values
Speaker 1: this week, I'm gonna go cheap there, save some money.
Speaker 1: Then maybe I'll go to wide receiver and sort on
Speaker 1: total points because I know I've got my value at
Speaker 1: running back and I can afford some higher salaries to
Speaker 1: get in the raw total points there. So sorting out
Speaker 1: value is definitely the best way to get a quick overview,
Speaker 1: quick snapshot of what your roster construction is gonna look
Speaker 1: like on a given week. While we're talking about value,
Speaker 1: if you want to take home a g p P,
Speaker 1: what are we looking for multiplayer wise? Because they normally
Speaker 1: say like, oh, you gotta like get three times your points.
Speaker 1: What are we looking for multiplayer wise when we're trying
Speaker 1: to trying to take home like a g p P
Speaker 1: during the fantasy football season. Yeah, I mean usually like
Speaker 1: in that three to four x territory, you want people
Speaker 1: to have that type of ceiling. One thing we do
Speaker 1: is instead of saying like three acts four acts, will
Speaker 1: say something like, you know, two acts plus ten or
Speaker 1: something like that, because we do want a little bit
Speaker 1: of a higher ceiling for our expensive players. Whereas someone
Speaker 1: who's you know, say six k on FanDuel, you might
Speaker 1: not need a twenty four point ceiling. You know, eighteen points,
Speaker 1: uh might get it done for you. But generally in
Speaker 1: that fashion, it's hard though too. You know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: get too focused on that three x four x multiplier.
Speaker 1: You just want to make, you know, smart teams that
Speaker 1: are well correlated and you know you can feel the
Speaker 1: upside of each individual in the lineup. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I'm working on right now that we're gonna have
Speaker 1: ready for week one. It's not out yet, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna have percentile outcomes for players. So you can say, Okay,
Speaker 1: David Johnson, you know this is his regular projection we have,
Speaker 1: but here's his ninety centile projection. So that's going to
Speaker 1: give you a good idea on his ceiling. You can
Speaker 1: do that for all the other players. So I think
Speaker 1: that should be a really cool tool to help visualize
Speaker 1: the type of players you want to make in GPPs.
Speaker 1: So to Mike Leone of Daily Rodo dot com, Mike,
Speaker 1: if you're a brand new DFS player and you're just
Speaker 1: trying to understand the basics, right, like I mentioned ninety
Speaker 1: ninety percentile and just like head blown, but like if
Speaker 1: you're just a player that's dabbling in ten bucks or
Speaker 1: so on a FanDuel or something like that, playing in
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty plane and double up. What's the one
Speaker 1: part of the optimizer that player needs to be like that,
Speaker 1: This is what I'm looking for. This is I'm gonna win.
Speaker 1: We'll going back to what Frank asked me. I mean,
Speaker 1: you really want to sort on value, get a good
Speaker 1: idea of this slate. And also you can change, like
Speaker 1: toggle our settings so instead of viewing like when you
Speaker 1: first get there, there's a lot of fields because we've
Speaker 1: made a customizable. If you're very casual, you know you
Speaker 1: don't want to be looking at all these fields. You
Speaker 1: don't really care to change things. You want to go
Speaker 1: with our default projections, So set it on basic. That
Speaker 1: using gonna give you the team total, the spread of
Speaker 1: the game, uh, some basic information to help you decide. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know I want to check this player and checked
Speaker 1: this player and then honestly the best thing to do
Speaker 1: is just run uh some lineups. You can just qut
Speaker 1: you and go there right away. Just hit run and
Speaker 1: just run our default optimal lineups and sort of sift
Speaker 1: through them, see which guys are comfortable with not comfortable with,
Speaker 1: go back, maybe take some guys out increase some projections,
Speaker 1: but in general, if you're a casual player, you're just
Speaker 1: taking advantage of that value column. Those default projections drew
Speaker 1: and I put a ton of time into those each week. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a really it's a long process and
Speaker 1: we're making sure we don't miss anything. We're making sure
Speaker 1: everything makes sense. So utilizing those default projections, I think,
Speaker 1: is gonna give you a lag up right away, even
Speaker 1: if you don't want to get into all the different
Speaker 1: customizable features. That can be overwhelming if you're just making
Speaker 1: a single lineup for a fifty fift game, well something
Speaker 1: that something. Yeah, it is overwhelming, and I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up. But it's funny because well I never
Speaker 1: understood and I do I ample the in the wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm doing so when I've used daily Roado in the past,
Speaker 1: and it optimizes me a line up, and whether there's basketball,
Speaker 1: whether it's football or not, it optimizes me a lineup. Like,
Speaker 1: why why shouldn't I just be like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna plug that in. I'm gonna win. Like whenever I
Speaker 1: put my own opinions in it, We're like, I don't
Speaker 1: want Spencer gin with the in my line up and
Speaker 1: I pull him out because it keeps giving it to me, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't that going against everything that you're trying to tell me, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what the optimizer says. I know I'm not
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, but isn't that kind of the point, like, hey,
Speaker 1: this knows better than I do. Yeah, that's a really
Speaker 1: good question. And I do think there are some reasons
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't want to just hit run and just
Speaker 1: use that lineup without thinking like, hopefully that's going to
Speaker 1: be a pretty good line up, because that is our
Speaker 1: best lineup from the projections. But there's ranges of outcomes
Speaker 1: for players. Um, you might not feel like, let's say
Speaker 1: we've got mark Ingram in the lineup. You know, once
Speaker 1: he returns from suspension, he's in our optima lineup, and
Speaker 1: you don't think he's gonna jump in right away and
Speaker 1: play the snaps that we think he's gonna play. There's
Speaker 1: things like that that you want to consider. And I
Speaker 1: think you realizing the additional content we're gonna have. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about the optimizer, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: have an article, we're gonna have a podcast, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have lineup alerts, different things like that. Were Drew and
Speaker 1: I and Ricky Sanders, Crispa Chako, we're gonna talk through,
Speaker 1: you know, what are the risks to this player's workload,
Speaker 1: their volume this week, and um there's little things like
Speaker 1: that that you can't capture in a single number in
Speaker 1: the projection. And if you go through the optimals, you'll
Speaker 1: see the top ten optimals, for example, the difference in
Speaker 1: projected points, it's gonna be really thin. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why you wouldn't want to go and just take
Speaker 1: that first lineup without thinking. And that's one of the
Speaker 1: things Drew and I, you know, a couple of years
Speaker 1: the only industry we were reluctant to start doing an
Speaker 1: optimizer because we want people to think for themselves. We
Speaker 1: want people to have a hand in the type of
Speaker 1: lineups they're making. So uh, there's still I think a
Speaker 1: good marriage between trusting the projections we have but still
Speaker 1: having some of your own influence, your own input on
Speaker 1: the lineups, without getting too far away from that optimal lineup.
Speaker 1: It's funny, friend, because I think that's what Mike's talking
Speaker 1: about when it comes to Daily Rhodo. I think that's
Speaker 1: a lot of what we see in real life too,
Speaker 1: and I think it's pretty cool. Like baseball, it's all
Speaker 1: about numbers, right, it's all about the shifts and data.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people screaming like look with
Speaker 1: your eyes that you can see certain things. I think
Speaker 1: the combination always works. And I think you can say
Speaker 1: the same thing basketball and football, that you want to
Speaker 1: use the combination of data and what it's telling you
Speaker 1: and and and your own eyes. Mark Ingram being a
Speaker 1: fine example, he comes back in week five. The optimizer
Speaker 1: may say, listen, here's what the optimal mark ingram will do.
Speaker 1: But then you're like, wait a minute, Maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: get the twenty carries that the numbers probably telling you.
Speaker 1: And I think that is and as leonly says, these
Speaker 1: things are razor thing like the optimal line up, the
Speaker 1: optimal running back. Maybe just percentage points a difference between
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and the next guy. That's probably where your
Speaker 1: own brain comes in, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah, And obviously,
Speaker 1: as I said, we're putting a lot of time to these.
Speaker 1: We think we're doing a really good job. But like
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a week one projections for right now,
Speaker 1: and on Fandel we've got David Johnson at twenty two
Speaker 1: point for Vanduel points Leady on Belt twenty two point five. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know the the optimizer spits out Lady on Bell.
Speaker 1: It's not like we're have a crystal ball. We see
Speaker 1: the future and Lady on bells. You know, let's score
Speaker 1: David Johnson by point one, and therefore you should play
Speaker 1: Lady on Bell over David Johnson. So I think what
Speaker 1: the optimizer is a really good job of this sort
Speaker 1: of setting up that roster construction for the week. You
Speaker 1: know how you should attack your rosters. But there's still
Speaker 1: gonna be a decision point to be made. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to pay up from one of these top
Speaker 1: stud running backs, but there's two or three that project
Speaker 1: really closely, and that's where you know, you want to
Speaker 1: use your own knowledge, your own feelings on how things,
Speaker 1: maybe some additional research you've done to decide, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: actually gonna play David Johnson and not Lady on Bell.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a really good point to what
Speaker 1: Leone just said is you know, maybe you take the
Speaker 1: optimizer the optimal lineup that they give you, and you
Speaker 1: kind of use that as a template, right, Like, there'll
Speaker 1: be a few guys in there that you'll say, Okay,
Speaker 1: even if these guys are talking, I know, I want
Speaker 1: these guys in my lineup. This is what the optimizers
Speaker 1: telling me to do. And then you go in, you
Speaker 1: take her a little bit, you make you know, adjustments, uh,
Speaker 1: based on you know whatever it might be, gut feeling.
Speaker 1: You know, we do that a lot throughout the season
Speaker 1: long process as well. Says yeah, we will try and
Speaker 1: put you in the best position to succeed. We will
Speaker 1: tell you who you think you should start that week,
Speaker 1: but ultimately it comes down to you as well, Like,
Speaker 1: if you have a good feeling, uh, there's something that
Speaker 1: you think, you know that we don't, You go out
Speaker 1: there and you make your own decision ultimately as well.
Speaker 1: So I think the same thing applies for DFS. The
Speaker 1: only I just wanted to ask you about this function.
Speaker 1: It looks really awesome, by the way. It's the team
Speaker 1: stackx function. It's in the it's in the top right
Speaker 1: here of the optimizer. And you know, you have a
Speaker 1: team total, you have the line for the game. There's
Speaker 1: a men, there's a max for this team stackx function.
Speaker 1: What is the best way to use that function when
Speaker 1: making lineups throughout the season. Yes, so I think right
Speaker 1: now the best way to use that is more if
Speaker 1: you want, um, let's say a team like New England
Speaker 1: has a really high team total and you know you're
Speaker 1: not getting New England guys in your lineup, I think
Speaker 1: the best way to use this is to force a
Speaker 1: minimum of one or two Patriots in your lineup and
Speaker 1: make lineups that way. As far as the actual stacking,
Speaker 1: I like to set up those groups that I mentioned, Um,
Speaker 1: we're still working with this team stacks setting here, So
Speaker 1: I I use it more as just the limits, like
Speaker 1: I want at least one Patriot and all my lineups,
Speaker 1: or you know what Cleveland's you know they're an underdog
Speaker 1: there on the road. You know I don't want any
Speaker 1: Cleveland guys my lineup, So set the max to zero there,
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe the optimizer spitting out three guys
Speaker 1: from a team and you know, you think that catch
Speaker 1: your ceiling too much. You can set the max amount
Speaker 1: of players on a team to two. So I use
Speaker 1: it more as like roster construction limits than I do
Speaker 1: is actual stacking right now is we're tweaking that and
Speaker 1: then I used the groups to sort of set up
Speaker 1: my stackings, or I use the generic stacks settings we
Speaker 1: have if you click you know, to the right of
Speaker 1: that on the top right also their settings. So you
Speaker 1: can say, Okay, I want to stack my QB with
Speaker 1: one two receivers or one receiver, one tight end, or
Speaker 1: one receiver from the same team one receiver from the
Speaker 1: opposite team. Um, that's more what I'm using to set
Speaker 1: the stacks. But Frank, you brought up a good point
Speaker 1: about GPPs. And one other thing that's cool is we're
Speaker 1: gonna have ownership projections on Source Fantasy collected as them
Speaker 1: for us. Um. They did it for him for us
Speaker 1: last year, we're gonna do it again for us this year.
Speaker 1: And that's going to be something that you can actually
Speaker 1: use as an inputting the optimize where you can say,
Speaker 1: I don't want the total ownership of my Intelior team
Speaker 1: to be greater than let's say, you know, or something
Speaker 1: like that. So, as you said, you might see an
Speaker 1: optimal lineup and say, okay, here's a few guys that
Speaker 1: I like, even though they're chalky. Well, if you use
Speaker 1: this math's public owners ships setting, that's going to naturally
Speaker 1: force you to say, Okay, even if you take a
Speaker 1: couple of chalky guys, you're gonna need a couple of
Speaker 1: low owned guys that right. Well, So I think that's
Speaker 1: a really cool feature to help you make a GPP
Speaker 1: lineup utilizing the projections but not getting too chalky. And
Speaker 1: I think that that that's actually a really really cool
Speaker 1: feature the Daily Road is offering. Um to try to
Speaker 1: listen to g P P you know you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do something different, and they're giving you that option,
Speaker 1: which is really really cool. Yeah, for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: I think the hard part in GPP two though, is
Speaker 1: where's that balance between he's chalky but he's a good
Speaker 1: play versus I need to differentiate and be contrarian. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just teeter totter, and you're always trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the balance there, and that sort of
Speaker 1: naturally gives you that balance by just saying okay for
Speaker 1: the whole line up. I don't want it to be,
Speaker 1: you know, over a hundred percent owned, because that you know,
Speaker 1: once we get past that, that's too chalky, but that
Speaker 1: will still say Okay, this guy is thirty percent, but
Speaker 1: he's such a good value. You know, he's gonna get
Speaker 1: into your lineup and then we're just gonna fill wrong
Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys that are more like five
Speaker 1: to ten percent on that are good value. So it
Speaker 1: helps you strike that balance in a way that's not arbitrary,
Speaker 1: where sometimes when we think of ourselves, we come up
Speaker 1: with arbitrary decisions, which is something you want to try
Speaker 1: to avoid. You know you mentioned you mentioned contrarian. I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you, as the Buffalo Bills fan, how often
Speaker 1: are you gonna have Josh Allen and Kelvin Benjamin stack
Speaker 1: in your lineup? Oh, there's a good chance that that
Speaker 1: number is zero. I've become I've gone from the guy
Speaker 1: that was optimistic every year we're gonna make the playoffs
Speaker 1: now and the guy all my friends hates. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're going four and twelve. Uh, it's not. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be ugly. So I don't know how you feel about
Speaker 1: your jets. I feel like there might be some more
Speaker 1: stack ability there, but we'll see. It would be an
Speaker 1: interesting year in the a f C East. I will
Speaker 1: say this, you know, from the draft until now, you
Speaker 1: gotta feel a little bit better about Josh Allen I'd
Speaker 1: say I feel better, But it's also this weird situation
Speaker 1: where he's avoided making some really bad plays other than
Speaker 1: that one clip everyone saw, and I think that's a positive.
Speaker 1: Both his touchdown throws have been I mean lights out,
Speaker 1: Like that's why you're drafting him for the arm of
Speaker 1: the mobility that he can make. That we saw him
Speaker 1: both his touchdown throws. At the same time, everyone's kind
Speaker 1: of going nuts and he's at five and a half
Speaker 1: yards per temph and it's like, you know, maybe let's
Speaker 1: let's pump the brakes a little bit. See what happens
Speaker 1: when the real games start. So Leonie, we had about
Speaker 1: a minute left. Um, I don't mind. Everybody go to
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Speaker 1: we also got that free trial, so throughout a full
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Speaker 1: the Slack channel when you sign up and interact with
Speaker 1: other people and kind of talk through the issues you're having.
Speaker 1: And so we were right to help you it's really
Speaker 1: cool about that. Leone is very responsible on slack, so
Speaker 1: I send a slack like pretty immediately he responds. You
Speaker 1: can't say the same for Drew, but like Leonie, he's
Speaker 1: right on there, so you'll get a response from him.
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Speaker 1: be You could have bean. This is an option for
Speaker 1: the opening new It sounds like another copyright. Seem like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a fair question, asked the only right. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was thinking that I didn't do it. You probably were
Speaker 1: gonna well, I was definitely gonna ask to bring the
Speaker 1: dog into the shot. When I found that wasn't his dog.
Speaker 1: That was an issue. Yeah, all right, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to get that settled. I went back to my auction
Speaker 1: now what ways, all right, we're gonna go back to
Speaker 1: my I think it's pretty informative now it is is
Speaker 1: it's because we haven't done much auction stuff. I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you. Guy goes on the first round like this
Speaker 1: is this is hard. So a listener from my league
Speaker 1: actually texted me I wrote down a price wrong. A J.
Speaker 1: Green did not go for fifty two. He went for
Speaker 1: forty two, which means I had that tier right. The
Speaker 1: only thing I did wrong was everybody else had Davante
Speaker 1: Adams in that tier rather than the next one. That
Speaker 1: was where I was green at forty two. But that
Speaker 1: goes back to what we said, though you said keenan
Speaker 1: Allen Gott he was nominated last of that group. So
Speaker 1: there you go. Once again. What we always say is
Speaker 1: if you know where the cut off of that tier is,
Speaker 1: that elite wide receiver tier who you know. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about it the rest of this week, but those are
Speaker 1: the first and second round wide receivers, Keen and Allen.
Speaker 1: If he's the last one nominated, you know that that's
Speaker 1: the guy and that's why ultimately he ended up going
Speaker 1: for fifty five dollars. So for me, the wide receivers
Speaker 1: and again talking about it all this week, as Frankie
Speaker 1: just said, I really love the wide receiver three tier,
Speaker 1: Robert woods mana sing Standers, jameson Crowd, Robbie Anderson, Funcious Goodwin,
Speaker 1: that these six guys are like I wanted all of
Speaker 1: them right and instead of just and I know it's
Speaker 1: so hard to do and I couldn't do it just waiting,
Speaker 1: just waiting for all of the come on the board
Speaker 1: and don't spend anything else. He didn't and every one
Speaker 1: of those guys, Robbie Anderson went for the most by
Speaker 1: a lot. Robby Anderson went for thirteen bucks. The rest
Speaker 1: of them went for seven or less. And all those guys,
Speaker 1: I think we have potential to be wide recuper two's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so normally, you know, if Robert Woods is in that area,
Speaker 1: then most of those guys should have been at least
Speaker 1: over ten. I would say between ten and fifteen bucks
Speaker 1: is where those players should have lived. Here's what I'll say,
Speaker 1: Greg about what you did. And I do agree. Auction
Speaker 1: is so tough because you have to be aggressive and
Speaker 1: patient at the same time with just like one of
Speaker 1: the hardest things to balance. And while you're inside of
Speaker 1: an auction and you know you'll you'll admit this, and
Speaker 1: I think, um, we agree on this is that you
Speaker 1: price enforce. Odell Beckham, I think you can price and force,
Speaker 1: but not an elite level player when you already have
Speaker 1: an Antonio Brown. I don't think you can can price
Speaker 1: and force at the same position over fifty bucks, and
Speaker 1: I think you will admit that as well. You probably
Speaker 1: would have wanted uh an elite running back or something
Speaker 1: like that, but look where the values can A. J.
Speaker 1: Green Davante Adams. Again, what I will say is that
Speaker 1: maybe you don't jump in on the first guy, but
Speaker 1: if you know, smack Daddy in the middle of a tier,
Speaker 1: that one of these guys are getting thrown out, I
Speaker 1: think that is the time to pounce and kind of
Speaker 1: jump in. I think that's where you get a lot
Speaker 1: of value. And then if you wait later on, this
Speaker 1: is where the patients comes in. You get those wide
Speaker 1: receiver threes for nothing. But what I think, what it's
Speaker 1: really hard to do is just normally, if I would
Speaker 1: have regretted that Antonio Brown early, I would have waited
Speaker 1: for another deal, another deal I have waited for another
Speaker 1: player to be probably let's say under fifty bucks right. Ideally,
Speaker 1: if I would have waited on every one of those
Speaker 1: running backs well I thought went essentially too high, maybe
Speaker 1: I would have gotten in on a David Johnson Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: I might have. But if I waited around and I
Speaker 1: thought all these guys were going for too much, then
Speaker 1: you get closer to that fine line of being too
Speaker 1: patient and you're not being aggressive enough. And as I said,
Speaker 1: I said to the person that drafting next to me,
Speaker 1: whose team wind up fine? When Devonte Freeman was I
Speaker 1: thought the last running back on the board. He had,
Speaker 1: nobody hadn't draft the single player. I'm like, it's great
Speaker 1: that you have the most money left, like who are
Speaker 1: you waiting? Four? And it worked out really well for
Speaker 1: him because he got Devonte Freeman and DeAndre Hompkins. All right,
Speaker 1: that was a that's a fine combination. That's the first
Speaker 1: and second round pick, and that worked out totally well
Speaker 1: for him, And like, would I'd rather have that? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Like that's something I definitely put on par with what
Speaker 1: I did. But because if he did what he did,
Speaker 1: he spent ninety eight dollars, I spent a hundred and
Speaker 1: ten and it's only twelve dollars. But when you have
Speaker 1: the twelve dollars earlier, that's Robby Anderson right there. It's
Speaker 1: something like that. And he was able to go spend
Speaker 1: um a little bit more unlike a wide receiver two
Speaker 1: and a little bit more on RB two and it
Speaker 1: worked out five dollars here, five dollars there. You know
Speaker 1: exactly the twelve dollars savings that you didn't have. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at his team right now because the
Speaker 1: wrong one. Sorry about so he winds up. He's spent
Speaker 1: a lot on the Mari Cooper, which I wouldn't have done.
Speaker 1: And he spent say twenty two one of Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: which I just didn't have. So that was what he
Speaker 1: was able to do what I didn't, And I think
Speaker 1: he was really interesting. And Mark, He's Lee another one
Speaker 1: of these guys I found in this area that he
Speaker 1: was able to spend the extra dollar on that I
Speaker 1: couldn't and it and it hurt. Now not to say
Speaker 1: I didn't execute part of my plan. Like I I
Speaker 1: had money, it was how I decided to spend it.
Speaker 1: I wound up going because given that I had these
Speaker 1: two elite wide receivers and I had Jordan Howard, who
Speaker 1: is a second round running back, I could have we know,
Speaker 1: running back falls off really quickly, and I could have
Speaker 1: just said screw it and just kind of waited. But
Speaker 1: normally when you wait without last guy Keenan Allen being
Speaker 1: an example, it goes for a lot of money. What
Speaker 1: I should have done, in hindsight, is just waiting on
Speaker 1: a Marshawn Lynch because Marshall Lynch was the last guy,
Speaker 1: and I thought everybody was saving their money from Marshawn
Speaker 1: Lynch five dollars, five dollars. There were two guys left
Speaker 1: at the time. Where three guys left, Jared McKinnon, Mark
Speaker 1: Ingram and Marshawn Lynch. And I thought they were gonna
Speaker 1: all go for a round the bucks, so jered Jerried mckinen,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it was it was before Jordan Howard because
Speaker 1: I had him above here for thirty one. Now should
Speaker 1: I have done that instead of Jordan Howard? Now you
Speaker 1: hate Jerry McKinnon. I'm sitting there and I'm basically beending
Speaker 1: one on one against somebody else, and I thought that
Speaker 1: that was a really good price for him. I wound
Speaker 1: up going with Howard. So then as I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the running backs left, there was Royce Freeman, there was
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch, and there was Mark Kingdom. That those are
Speaker 1: the three and round four, Round five is the those
Speaker 1: are middle round running back exactly. So those are the
Speaker 1: three guys that were left. So Royce Freeman, I'm in
Speaker 1: the bidding for this. He goes for twenty two. I
Speaker 1: had n't projected at the nineteen, so it wasn't that over.
Speaker 1: It was pretty accurate, Okay, I let it go think
Speaker 1: I've got a better price, hopefully on Ingram or Lynch.
Speaker 1: Then Ingram comes up and I'm like, I really wanted
Speaker 1: to spend under twenty bucks for him, ideally, but I
Speaker 1: so I've been nineteen some and else beens. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: he been's nineteen. I'm like, all right, twenties a scary number.
Speaker 1: I'll do the extra dollar of what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I put on twenty. He then goes to twenty one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do I do? Do I do this
Speaker 1: for more Ingram or do I wait for Marshall Lynch.
Speaker 1: I hope that works out. I wanted spending the extra
Speaker 1: dollar on Ingram got him. Lynch doesn't go for like
Speaker 1: another half hour and costs nothing nothing. Carry On Johnson
Speaker 1: costs nothing five dollars. Also, I could have had Lynch
Speaker 1: and carry On Johnson and Isaiah Crowe l all for
Speaker 1: the price that I paid for mark Ingram. Give me
Speaker 1: that depth over that one guy, and of course the
Speaker 1: mark Ingram. Then I said, I gotta go out and
Speaker 1: make sure I get Jamal Williams. That was part of
Speaker 1: the CBS plan. We talked about it last week, and
Speaker 1: I love the plan. So I spent six bucks getting
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, So essentially that one guy cost me twenty
Speaker 1: eight dollars, and twenty eight dollars would have given me
Speaker 1: Dry Henry. How much said Alex Collins go for? I'm
Speaker 1: glad you asked, Oh, Greggy, you know there's always one pick,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say he went for under twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: There's always one pick in the drafts where you sitting laugh?
Speaker 1: Did you not read your text messages? You're just playing
Speaker 1: along right now. I probably didn't read this thing. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love it all right now, I'm not
Speaker 1: you playing okay. I might have read it at some point.
Speaker 1: I was like half hungover when you were texting me
Speaker 1: all good. There's always that one player where we're just saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you couldn't believe it. And again, there
Speaker 1: are some prices that maybe I went a little bit over.
Speaker 1: Some people go a little bit over. That's fine. How
Speaker 1: much do you think Alex Collin should have went for it?
Speaker 1: And again, I have Alex Collins my seventeenth running back
Speaker 1: once about behind Derrick Henry. Now you disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I think he's like your fifteenth. He went for how much?
Speaker 1: Mixon went for thirty one. I give you a range.
Speaker 1: Mckin who went for one. I'll say Alice Collins to
Speaker 1: go four between and thirty. Okay, I had him as
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen dollar player for me. You have forty bucks.
Speaker 1: Forty bucks you went for more than McKinnon, more than
Speaker 1: Nixon got two dollars last you ever two dollars less
Speaker 1: than a j That's like round value. People are people
Speaker 1: in your draft value to Alex cons like a high
Speaker 1: there's one guy round pick. There's one guy did exactly right.
Speaker 1: I like him in the third round. I'm not spending
Speaker 1: four dollars all those wide receivers that are going in
Speaker 1: the third round. Feeling Hilton Digs Fits, Tyreek Hill, Doug
Speaker 1: Baldwin all less, every one of them about average of
Speaker 1: three seven dollars less that range. If I you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy you get two of those guys, like get
Speaker 1: rid of Odell Beckham, and I can get two of Hilton,
Speaker 1: feeling like, oh my god, that's awesome here in Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown and I can get Ezekiel Elliott and then get
Speaker 1: two of Hilton and feeling that's a really nice start.
Speaker 1: So this kind of you're painting the picture right now
Speaker 1: for people, this is what it looks like when you
Speaker 1: do well. You can read your full lineup, but this
Speaker 1: is what it looks like when you go starts and scrub,
Speaker 1: which you didn't. It wasn't the plan. It wasn't the plan. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: that's what it ended up being. To me. It looks
Speaker 1: like if I would have in this draft the prices
Speaker 1: I dictated, I would have loved to have had. Let's
Speaker 1: say that the fourth overall pick where you can get
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, t Y Hilton, the second, Adam Feeling into
Speaker 1: the third, and then it's an auction so I could
Speaker 1: get whoever I want later on. If I could start
Speaker 1: with and saying those three guys and then throwing another
Speaker 1: running back at another running back, I don't know I had.
Speaker 1: That's twenty dollars to spend, but I get another. I
Speaker 1: get another running back like um even mark ingram with
Speaker 1: twenty two hours, like that's went for six bucks or
Speaker 1: five bucks. It's crazy. It's crazy because of my stars
Speaker 1: and strub scrubs strategy where I have brand no about
Speaker 1: coom Jordan Howard. Jamal Williams is my starting right now
Speaker 1: because I don't have mark ingram. I had basically one
Speaker 1: large bid, left, one bid where I was willing to
Speaker 1: be able to go up over one dollar, and I
Speaker 1: was signing between I used on Robert Woods, where do
Speaker 1: I use it on the last great tight end I
Speaker 1: thought was left in Kyle Rudolph on I know you
Speaker 1: love Kyle Rudolf and I love Kyle Rodolph. And I
Speaker 1: did it, and I'd be my max bit of six
Speaker 1: dollars at the time. On Rudolph. I got him, and
Speaker 1: because of that, every other player I was gonna have
Speaker 1: to take was going to be one dollar and I
Speaker 1: took the And that's a tough feeling depending on where
Speaker 1: you are in the draft right how many roster spots
Speaker 1: we have left. So my story line up right now,
Speaker 1: I don't care about quarterback, and I spent a dollar
Speaker 1: in each my quarterbacks. I got Alex Smith, who everybody
Speaker 1: knows I like. I got Patrick Mahomes, one safe guy
Speaker 1: and one guy that go that's what you said, the
Speaker 1: Frank strategy, like, there's nothing wrong, nothing wrong with those
Speaker 1: two guys the successor to exactly. So I got both
Speaker 1: of those guys in my lineup. Um one of the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in my lineup. Which did you see the Patrick
Speaker 1: Moomes bomb over the weekend? Dude? It was in the
Speaker 1: air for seventy yards. So I got Patty Mahomes, an
Speaker 1: Tonio Brown, Odell Beckham, Jordan Howard, Jamal Williams, Kyle Rudolph.
Speaker 1: Like those starters, no problem, pretty good. I'm very happy
Speaker 1: with that. It is probably scary. It's very scary, very
Speaker 1: very scary. So my flexes for those listening at home,
Speaker 1: Greg just very his head in his hands. We're going
Speaker 1: a fat rob right now, starting running back, fat off.
Speaker 1: It could be worse. Starting running back, starting running make
Speaker 1: I moved them up into my thirties and RB ranking.
Speaker 1: So where's Jordan Wilkins because he's flex he's also my
Speaker 1: thirties Okay, to top forty running back. It's not terrible, terrible,
Speaker 1: not ideal, but not terrible. That stars in Scrubsy that
Speaker 1: stars and scrub that stars and scrubs. The rest of
Speaker 1: the bench got Jeronimo Allison. Maybe one of those guys
Speaker 1: get hurt Um Marketing's obviously on the badge right now.
Speaker 1: My last pick is Mike Wallace because Alshan Jeffrey may
Speaker 1: not start the season. Maybe he starts on pop take
Speaker 1: a shot there. Yeah, and that and that was it.
Speaker 1: And I have I actually weave an IR spot so
Speaker 1: I used I used a dollar on Rachard Matthews through
Speaker 1: one IR never now, um, that will pick up somebody else.
Speaker 1: And and that's kind of the bench. Listen. I need
Speaker 1: some wide receiver death. I don't have any of it,
Speaker 1: but I need Jordan Wilkins to pop in a major way.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't really have the training pieces. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you're very active on fab and that's it. And with that,
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you your preparation for the auction.
Speaker 1: So you just show up to your auction with um
Speaker 1: like prices. That's is that all you show up with?
Speaker 1: Because when I do my home auction, Greg, I pretty
Speaker 1: much right out my positions and I say, here's who
Speaker 1: I wanted my wide receiver. One, that's who I wanted
Speaker 1: my wide receiver too. And I'll put like maybe again,
Speaker 1: like I'll put three or four guys, and I'll put
Speaker 1: like a price range. But I'll be realistic throughout, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go into my auction knowing that, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is my rubric and this is what I'm going to
Speaker 1: try and follow. And I did that pretty much to
Speaker 1: the t in my in my home base all auction
Speaker 1: in this past year, and it worked out pretty well.
Speaker 1: So that's do you do you plan that much before
Speaker 1: or do you just kind of have an idea of like,
Speaker 1: all right, these are these are how I have guy's priced,
Speaker 1: and this is what I'm gonna try and get, you
Speaker 1: know what. I Sometimes I have a plan. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: plan have a plan exactly who I want. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: have a plan of exactly how much I want to spend.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like you had you didn't know exactly
Speaker 1: who you wanted here? You know what? There was? There
Speaker 1: was there was nobody. There was nobody that I Last
Speaker 1: year I went to the draft wanting Michael Crabtree and
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald on the draft because those were two guys
Speaker 1: that I and Carlos hide, because those were three guys
Speaker 1: that I felt were undervalued, that were gonna be good
Speaker 1: prices and always give you back value. I didn't have
Speaker 1: that this year. I didn't and people would ask me,
Speaker 1: what do you want? Who do you want? Like I
Speaker 1: thought Letard for that would be a great price. I
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna get him. It didn't happen. The
Speaker 1: morning of I decided aout DeAndre Hopkins would be good,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go in a different directions. There
Speaker 1: was nobody else I really really wanted, and it was nobody.
Speaker 1: I was uber passionate about out and maybe that's my fault.
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe it is my fault, but like there's
Speaker 1: nobody banging the table for him, like this is my guy.
Speaker 1: Like you for an auction, you're going to the auction.
Speaker 1: You're getting Alex Collins and that's totally of course, and
Speaker 1: that's totally fine, that's your guy. I didn't have that
Speaker 1: this year. I really really didn't. And I think you
Speaker 1: look at the team, it shows like maybe it looks
Speaker 1: like mark Ingram was my guy, and I think I
Speaker 1: have been talking to myself into mark Ingram. Over the
Speaker 1: last week or so, I watched the preseason game with
Speaker 1: the Saints and Trump Haynton literally said, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get whoever mark Ingram's touches and mark and mark
Speaker 1: Ingram was giving you back first round of value for
Speaker 1: a lot of last year, and he was. He's a
Speaker 1: second round pick if he's not suspended this year. I
Speaker 1: don't want to bank on suspending guys ever, even though
Speaker 1: clearly I am. And the problem with mark Ingram is
Speaker 1: he's spending for four games, it comes back and they're
Speaker 1: a buy in Week six, which sucks. Maybe the second
Speaker 1: half of the year, mark Ingram is the first round
Speaker 1: talent I get back. I don't know. You just gotta
Speaker 1: make it there. You just gotta make it there. You
Speaker 1: just gotta make it to uh to week five with
Speaker 1: mark Ingram. Here's what I'll say again. If you're going
Speaker 1: into your homely auction, whatever kind of auction, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a list of players and their prices. Like every
Speaker 1: player who's going to get nominated, I will have a
Speaker 1: um An auction price next to their names. So I
Speaker 1: know how much they're going for. And again, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write out the starting lineup and the bench, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much gonna write down a few players at each position.
Speaker 1: Like I'll say, like my RB one, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: one of Kareem Hunt or Melvin Gordon, whichever one goes
Speaker 1: in the middle where is nominated in the middle of
Speaker 1: that tier. That's who I'm gonna jump in. On my
Speaker 1: r B two, I know I want one of Alex
Speaker 1: Collins or Derrick Henry and I'm gonna spend thirty bucks.
Speaker 1: And if those guys go for more than that um
Speaker 1: or if they go for more than that, then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pivot and I'll know, all right, I'll have a
Speaker 1: few backup options, whether it's Marshawn Lynch whoever is a
Speaker 1: little bit lower, but I know what his price should be.
Speaker 1: That's ultimately how I'm going to attack my option, my auction,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's been pretty effective, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that is. And but but for me, like I want
Speaker 1: to have every option on the table, like I like
Speaker 1: all these guys, and then I don't need a Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon into a Cream Huneld take whoever. Unfortunately, I just
Speaker 1: I didn't see the prices coming like I usually have
Speaker 1: the strategy or was staring at the prices for the
Speaker 1: most part, and when I read the market wrong as
Speaker 1: I did yesterday, this is the outcome ultimately, UM, I know, Max,
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna listen at some point and you'll want
Speaker 1: all of your thoughts on his team. So Max, if
Speaker 1: you like to listen to you guy who was making
Speaker 1: fun of my hair, Yeah, alright, you can reach out.
Speaker 1: This team sucks. You can reach out to he was
Speaker 1: actually DeVante Freeman DeAndre Howkins team. It was. It was
Speaker 1: a good start. You can reach out to him. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of my lead members are gonna be
Speaker 1: listening to this. I appreciate the support. UM, you any questions.
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