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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me

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Speaker 1: advice on many occasions. In the case you didn't notice,

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Speaker 1: I'm not broke, you know he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs,

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Speaker 1: it's what he likes to share. Now it's time to

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Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald. Money Making Conversations. Here

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Speaker 1: we come. Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. It is important to understand that everybody travels

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Speaker 1: a different path to success. That's because your brand is different,

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Speaker 1: the challenges your face in your life are different. So

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Speaker 1: basically this to me, you start reading other people's success

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Speaker 1: stories and start writing your own. Now you can be

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Speaker 1: motivated by their success because their stories can be give

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Speaker 1: you a direction and help you reach your goals. But

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Speaker 1: it's your planning and your efforts gonna get there. My

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Speaker 1: next cast is all about playing and all about the

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Speaker 1: effort watching his career grow. It's a great career because

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Speaker 1: it's by motivating people, uplifting people, giving them a voe

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Speaker 1: in the community. That is my next guest, his attorney

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Speaker 1: being Crump. He's a naturally recognized trial lawyer. I was

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Speaker 1: still manager Steve Harvey and I saw more TV representative

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Speaker 1: Trayvarn Martin. Then we make back stage at the Neighborhood

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Speaker 1: Awards and we have become great friends. He had a

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Speaker 1: dream to impact the lives of African Americans in the

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Speaker 1: justice system. Ben's fight for justice has covered many cases

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Speaker 1: and his dedication they have families received justice include Ahmad

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Speaker 1: Aubrey Martin, Lee Anderson beyand the tailor Jacob Blake, George Florida,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately many others. All these families have turned to

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Speaker 1: Mr Crump to turn the spotlight of their injustice on

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Speaker 1: their cases. Please working the money making conversations, Attorney Ben Crump,

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Speaker 1: how you doing mentor thank you sir. I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: tiley you've given me because it was at his Neighborhood

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Speaker 1: Awards when we started talking about trying to have your

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Speaker 1: voice elevated beyond the courtroom. And you inspire me in

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Speaker 1: ways and never ever discourage me. And because of that

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Speaker 1: you know, God has blessed me beyond anything we could

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Speaker 1: have ever envisioned. We don't to think about it. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've done television shows together and and those shows are

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Speaker 1: all about injustice, you know. And one of the famous

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Speaker 1: quotes you always told me, if you want to see

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Speaker 1: you know, when we did Evidence of Innocence, which I

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Speaker 1: still think is one of the best shows that has

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Speaker 1: ever been put on TV. That you produced and help

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Speaker 1: create this concept of seeing injustice everywhere in America. It's

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Speaker 1: not far into any city or state. You go in

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Speaker 1: any courtroom. You don't have to take being from word

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Speaker 1: and see how just this as being administered. That there

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Speaker 1: are two justice systems that governed America, one for white

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Speaker 1: America and one for others. And we saw that play

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Speaker 1: out in America when they stormed the capital, these Trump supporters,

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Speaker 1: and they were treated completely different Rashaan, than any Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter protests ever. I mean they were able to

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Speaker 1: pass charges, no property damage, no assault, no battery, nothing,

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Speaker 1: nobody that they was arrested. And that's just prima facial evidence.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I got from you, Rashan, and

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Speaker 1: people like my grandmother is no matter how donting it looks,

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Speaker 1: you always got to keep a positive perspective. That's why

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Speaker 1: I love doing evidence of innocence with it because, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you recognized the injustice, but you know that we will

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Speaker 1: overcome the injustice. And that's important that you say that

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Speaker 1: because use your your life. You know you've been putting

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Speaker 1: show that's in Los Angeles. We want to talk about

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Speaker 1: but it's the same case. Well, bothers me the most

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Speaker 1: Rashon is how they tried to intellectually justify it, you know,

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Speaker 1: the unjustified by actions that led to Brianna Taylor being

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Speaker 1: And yet they intellectually justify that rigion. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Birmingham Jail. He said, just because they say it's legal,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's right. He said that everything Hitler

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Speaker 1: I get to remind America, no matter what you say

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump, well renowned fame,

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Speaker 1: But fame has a cutting edge because you're going the airports,

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Speaker 1: television and will front page of various newspaper articles. How

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Speaker 1: has that affected your life, both professionally and personally? You know,

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Speaker 1: Thank god I have a wonderful wife and uh strong

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Speaker 1: Thank you U. But Nadia Hagren, who is the award

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Speaker 1: a Rashine is keep up. You all are gonna follow

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Speaker 1: me for a year. I mean keep up, because so

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Speaker 1: That they are creating these hashtags too much, they're killing

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Speaker 1: And even though it's inconvenient for me to leave you

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Speaker 1: is for that family who lost their father. Father? And

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Speaker 1: my baby told me, Daddy, I understand. Wow, that's great

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Speaker 1: now it was these all these cases are rageous. But

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Speaker 1: the status of that case, and tell and explain to

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