Speaker 1: The John Nnick and Kenny Florian podcast John Annik and
Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.
Speaker 2: I fucking love him. I can't get enough of him.
Speaker 3: Let's hear that both, Big job the Frank.
Speaker 4: There are a couple of absolutely self involved.
Speaker 1: You're your hosts John Nnick and Kenny Florian's.
Speaker 5: Big Monday on the Anak and Florian podcast Big Monday.
Speaker 5: Try to give you a little warning in case you're listening,
Speaker 5: you can turn it down for a second. Big Monday,
Speaker 5: May eighteenth, twenty twenty six, episode five hundred and ninety
Speaker 5: six or so of the anakon Florian podcast Power by
Speaker 5: All the Smoke Fight Big episode because it's the final
Speaker 5: episode in Ken Flow's forties.
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, Yeah, you had to remind me about that, right, No,
Speaker 6: what is going on, dude, I'm gonna be fifty you you.
Speaker 5: Sort of use negative phraseology and had a negative emotion
Speaker 5: when I said it.
Speaker 4: So, since I'm not leading the dance.
Speaker 5: My fortieth birthday was the worst birthday of my life.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I gotta say so.
Speaker 6: I feel better though, at least today than I have
Speaker 6: the last couple of years. Like my back was horrible
Speaker 6: for probably the last three to four years. Maybe even longer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, so I'm feeling better as I head into.
Speaker 4: The fifties anyway.
Speaker 5: Physically, Yeah, your looks get complimented a lot of the
Speaker 5: anacan Florian podcast.
Speaker 4: You know Jason Anna coming up later.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he'll compliment your hair or something, right, probably
Speaker 5: a lot of hair compliments into it Dome in Inglewood, California, incidentally,
Speaker 5: But no, so when we show a UFC tail of
Speaker 5: the tape as a nod to Oklahoma State football coach
Speaker 5: former Mike Gunn, you if there's a fighter who's forty,
Speaker 5: I'll say he's a man, he's forty. I didn't necessarily
Speaker 5: feel like a man when I turned forty. I felt
Speaker 5: like an old man, not in spirit or physically, just
Speaker 5: on paper.
Speaker 4: And age is just number.
Speaker 5: But it's still a number, and you're still chasing it eventually,
Speaker 5: I mean, to my knowledge, like nobody's lived at two
Speaker 5: hundred yet, right. Yeah, so Ken Flow May twenty six
Speaker 5: will turn fucking fifty burger with bacon, maybe hold the
Speaker 5: cheese because fifty, bro, I mean, come on, man, like
Speaker 5: you should have negative emotions.
Speaker 4: You should, you said, of a bitch. No, I mean, listen,
Speaker 4: it's crazy. I don't I can be like this.
Speaker 5: It's amazing, amazing what is clark Ham planned just came
Speaker 5: off a big gig for Netflix.
Speaker 4: Life is good.
Speaker 6: But I mean, you know, rather there's benefits what I
Speaker 6: get early bird?
Speaker 4: Do I get early bird specials?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: At fifty? That is that a thing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: Where I get discount at diners and stuff like that?
Speaker 4: Or No, I don't think you're fifty five. Your wife
Speaker 4: is probably not yet forty?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: No, she is not. She's not. She's not close, right,
Speaker 4: So yeah, so.
Speaker 5: All right, we got a lot coming up today as
Speaker 5: we celebrate Kenny's fiftieth birthday. We're actually off on Monday
Speaker 5: for Memorial Day week. We're off for the holiday, of course,
Speaker 5: to acknowledge and we're also off to acknowledge Kenilo's fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 5: So coming up today, we have Ray Longo at the
Speaker 5: bottom of the hour, very interesting things happening with his
Speaker 5: fighter Pumi Nakuda, and you can certainly talk about that,
Speaker 5: but we'll table that at least for a little bit here.
Speaker 4: Randall.
Speaker 3: R J.
Speaker 5: Clifford coming up here at the top of next hour
Speaker 5: as well, and a lot of different big fight odds
Speaker 5: UFC three twenty nine stuff. Connor McGregor is back. No
Speaker 5: more time to waste. Let's get headlines, headlines.
Speaker 7: It's time heads.
Speaker 6: I have some very urgent and important breaking.
Speaker 1: New headlines on the Kenny sans concast.
Speaker 5: All right, So three possible lead stories today. Ronda Rousey,
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor coming back, or a capsule lock submission at
Speaker 5: UFC Fight Night so ken Flow was on the scene.
Speaker 5: Ronda Rousey in seventeen seconds gets past Gena Carrano. Any
Speaker 5: number of different angles at which we can attack this.
Speaker 5: But I guess I'd just like to start by congratulating
Speaker 5: you and asking, as a curious fan what it was
Speaker 5: like being part of a major Netflix live event for
Speaker 5: for MVP.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: You know, it was great to be back, you know,
Speaker 6: it was Uh, it was an interesting week, you know,
Speaker 6: always always interesting working with with new production, different production
Speaker 6: and new people. So that was fun. And yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean there was just a lot of energy around the
Speaker 6: city of La and at the card it was a
Speaker 6: reunion of sorts, you know, meeting a bunch of people
Speaker 6: and seeing people who haven't seen in a very long time.
Speaker 4: And so it was great to be back on the
Speaker 4: sticks man for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, you did a great job, and the lettuce was flowing,
Speaker 5: and you were alongside the great Marl Ronello, and we
Speaker 5: were very excited for you, and it was amazing to
Speaker 5: watch you be back in the saddle, And it was
Speaker 5: amazing to watch Ronda Rousey do that. I think to
Speaker 5: any human being who prepared to beat her, she still
Speaker 5: proves that she can get somebody where she wants them
Speaker 5: in a very quick amount of time and put you
Speaker 5: in a position where you fear for your limbs shortly thereafter. Now,
Speaker 5: let me just say when there were rumblings of a
Speaker 5: Ronda Rousi return, I thought it would be far more
Speaker 5: of a bout of consequence in terms of maybe who
Speaker 5: she would be fighting. Perhaps it would be in the US,
Speaker 5: and even if not Kayla Harrison, maybe it would be
Speaker 5: a real MMA test against a fighter who was actively
Speaker 5: competing in MMA, or it was gonna be in a
Speaker 5: boxing realm. So this fight on paper was not my expectation.
Speaker 5: I didn't know what to expect out of Gina Carano,
Speaker 5: you know, And I don't know how competitive Gina Krona
Speaker 5: would be against your average MMA striker. Right now, after
Speaker 5: that type of layoff, you know, but given this canvas,
Speaker 5: Ronda Rousey couldn't have done a whole lot more to
Speaker 5: sort of maximize the showcase.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, listen, seventeen years. For any athlete to come
Speaker 6: back after that long layoff, especially when she wasn't training
Speaker 6: for seventeen years, right, she was taking a lot of
Speaker 6: time off between that is.
Speaker 4: A lot to ask of anybody.
Speaker 6: And you know, Ronda did not let Gina feel comfortable
Speaker 6: for very long in that fight.
Speaker 4: Obviously, Ronda's gonna do what Ronda's gonna do.
Speaker 6: I mean, if she sees the ability to finish it
Speaker 6: in a second, she's gonna finish it in a second. So,
Speaker 6: you know, I think for both of those ladies at
Speaker 6: the end, there was a little bit of closure.
Speaker 4: Not so much for.
Speaker 6: Gina as much as she would like. I think she
Speaker 6: would have at least liked to.
Speaker 4: Land some kind of a punch or something.
Speaker 6: But you know, they didn't have the exits that they
Speaker 6: wanted away from the sport, and I think they wanted
Speaker 6: a little bit of closure and and you know, not
Speaker 6: only making a lot of money, but having the ability
Speaker 6: to perform and do what they do best. And you know,
Speaker 6: for Ronda. It went extremely well. For Gina not so much,
Speaker 6: which was unfortunate for her. She's such a clossy woman
Speaker 6: and has been through a lot, and to see her come.
Speaker 4: Back and again in two years.
Speaker 6: She lost one hundred pounds in preparation for this, And
Speaker 6: I see people saying, well it was a fix. Well,
Speaker 6: you know, Captain Gano was pretty damn good and Gina
Speaker 6: tapped her out in even quicker time.
Speaker 4: That's just what happens, Ronda.
Speaker 6: Sorry, that's just what happens when you face a highly
Speaker 6: skillful specialist like Ronda Rousey.
Speaker 4: Like have you followed her career? She beats a lot
Speaker 4: of people in under one round.
Speaker 5: Is it wrong for me in twenty twenty six to
Speaker 5: be wildly curious as to how ron A Rousing might
Speaker 5: do against certain fighters in the UFC Banhamweight Top fifteen.
Speaker 5: I would submit to you that she would still be competitive,
Speaker 5: and there is a groundswell of people who would suggest
Speaker 5: to you maybe not. Now, I know this doesn't give
Speaker 5: us any film at all, and I even wonder if
Speaker 5: this scratches the competitive itch for Ronda. Certainly there's financial
Speaker 5: gain and certainly the training camp brought out the best
Speaker 5: in her seemingly but I would think Ronda, as much
Speaker 5: as she wants to pro create more, would love to
Speaker 5: really test herself given how good she looked in these
Speaker 5: short seventeen seconds.
Speaker 6: I know, I know. I think this was kind of
Speaker 6: her dream fight. She wanted to face one of the
Speaker 6: icons in the sport and Gina Carano, a woman that
Speaker 6: she looked up to, and I agree with you, I
Speaker 6: think she would be competitive in the division. I think
Speaker 6: she just wanted to scratch that itch and kind of
Speaker 6: go back to being a mom and that's it.
Speaker 4: I think she wanted a little bit of closure.
Speaker 6: But yeah, you're right, even maybe not even against the elite,
Speaker 6: but maybe getting a rematch against Holly.
Speaker 4: Holme is something that I thought.
Speaker 5: But here's you know, And yeah, I'm not trying to
Speaker 5: put you on the spot, right, I know you're one
Speaker 5: of the commentators, right, Yes, I'm a may fan, you know.
Speaker 5: And this podcast could cease to exist in the future,
Speaker 5: and maybe I wouldn't have a platform to say things
Speaker 5: like this, right, what Ronda Rowsei against Holly home is
Speaker 5: in any sort of championship fight right now?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Some people maybe want to ron A Rowsy against Chris
Speaker 5: cyboard right now. I'm asking the question because the mixed
Speaker 5: martial arts for me, right, there's a lot of people
Speaker 5: who would say Norma Dumont just smokes Ronda Rousei in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, and I'm asking you, like, can't Ronda
Speaker 5: Rousey get takedowns against a high level modern day fighter
Speaker 5: and get to a place where she can grab an
Speaker 5: arm or a neck or I mean, like crazy, like
Speaker 5: because a lot of people think we're able to beat
Speaker 5: Ronda Rowsi right now.
Speaker 4: No, I agree, Listen. I think that when you're that.
Speaker 6: Elite in judo and you have that kind of of
Speaker 6: a submission game, and to me, it seemed like she
Speaker 6: was really working on other aspects of her game as
Speaker 6: well in.
Speaker 4: Preparation for this fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think she still would be competitive, you know,
Speaker 6: would she be a champion in that weight class?
Speaker 4: I don't. I think would be really difficult. Right.
Speaker 6: The game has evolved a tremendous amount, but at the
Speaker 6: same time, you're talking about a world class athlete, but
Speaker 6: also you know you're going against time as well. She
Speaker 6: is thirty nine at the end of the day, She's
Speaker 6: dealt with a lot of injuries, she has a lot
Speaker 6: going on and yeah, I don't think we're going to
Speaker 6: see her again, But man, I was just really impressed
Speaker 6: with Ronda all week, how present she was, how aware
Speaker 6: she was. She was at her best promotion wise, coming
Speaker 6: you know from WWE, like she was just on top
Speaker 6: of her game in every aspect. So it was great
Speaker 6: to see her go out there and kind of fulfill
Speaker 6: that dream.
Speaker 5: And who knows, maybe at forty five, right, she comes
Speaker 5: back in a super fight against somebody like Holly Holm,
Speaker 5: who certainly is ageless, and there's some value there. And
Speaker 5: not to suggest there wasn't some value in this, but
Speaker 5: I just would be curious to see how she would
Speaker 5: do against the UFC top ten. And not to suggest
Speaker 5: that she'd be ready for Kayla Harrison, no Amanda Nunez,
Speaker 5: but I am wildly curious to see how she would
Speaker 5: do against some of those other fighters.
Speaker 4: But that is not what is meant to be.
Speaker 5: It was this seventeen second fight, And yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: know what you say to people who feel short changed.
Speaker 5: You know, expectations are resentments in waiting. I don't know
Speaker 5: what the expectations were for Gina Carano. I think you're right,
Speaker 5: she's disappointed to not at least have had a chance
Speaker 5: to land a strike and you know, at least maybe
Speaker 5: try to get on your bike early and leverage the
Speaker 5: outside of the hexagon and use the fence or something.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you're left with some questions on
Speaker 5: the rousy side, and some people are going to be
Speaker 5: dissatisfied almost no matter what the result is.
Speaker 6: So exactly, and to talk about that, you know, it's
Speaker 6: like fans will both you know, be upset with matches
Speaker 6: that go the distance and be like, ah, there's no finishes.
Speaker 4: This was all boring.
Speaker 6: I wish there were finishes and then you know, you
Speaker 6: get a card with all finishes. Oh no, it wasn't
Speaker 6: even competitive. This is ridiculous. I wanted to see more fights.
Speaker 6: So you know, people, OHI is an angle, you know,
Speaker 6: based on their original bias, and you know that's that's
Speaker 6: just fans in any sport.
Speaker 4: But you know, you can't meet everyone happy.
Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, it would be nice, you know,
Speaker 6: if we had a larger roster of fighters. I think
Speaker 6: that's something they're gonna have to work out moving forward
Speaker 6: in the future. Obviously, the UFC has you know, most
Speaker 6: of the best fighters in the world. That's been the
Speaker 6: case for a very long time. So I think that
Speaker 6: will be the challenge for MVP moving forward, and I
Speaker 6: think they're committed to try to do that to the
Speaker 6: best of their ability of what's available, and at least
Speaker 6: offer some kind of competition in regards to fighters looking
Speaker 6: to sign or re sign in the future.
Speaker 4: As well well.
Speaker 5: Put we congratulate Rona Rousey and Gina Carano, who is
Speaker 5: a tremendous human being, and both great human beings, and
Speaker 5: really happy for them and for Women's MMA to have
Speaker 5: this night. They old it has three UFC main events
Speaker 5: and or excuse me, I said, you have made events.
Speaker 4: Main events. I did it. I know I'm allowed to
Speaker 4: do it. I shouldn't want so.
Speaker 5: Francis and Ghanu is absolutely frightening, Kenny. And if you're
Speaker 5: Felipe Lynz trained by the famed American Top Team, you
Speaker 5: have to get your fighter to be of a mentality
Speaker 5: that there's gonna be some destructive stuff coming your way
Speaker 5: and face potentially get broken open.
Speaker 4: But if you can sort.
Speaker 5: Of hang in there, you know, maybe maybe not man
Speaker 5: like my gosh, and Ghanu is watchable.
Speaker 4: What were your thoughts on the predator.
Speaker 6: I was just impressed with the fact that Lynz was
Speaker 6: confident all week and even as the fight was starting,
Speaker 6: Johnn he had that look in his eyes like he's like,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take this.
Speaker 6: But then you get touched by France, and all of
Speaker 6: that just kind of goes down the drain because you
Speaker 6: realize that this is not a normal human in front
Speaker 6: of me. This is a guy who's going to hit me,
Speaker 6: which is with his lunch box hands, and potentially I'll
Speaker 6: never be the same again. Like that, that's the that's
Speaker 6: the threat of going against a guy with that kind
Speaker 6: of freakish power and natural athletic ability. Every time I
Speaker 6: see him, it's almost like he's seven foot tall with
Speaker 6: like four foot wide shoulders. Like I don't know what
Speaker 6: it is about Francis, Like every time I see him,
Speaker 6: I'm like, you are a giant of a man.
Speaker 4: And he's not huge.
Speaker 6: He's not He's not hen and Fajeda or even the
Speaker 6: size of Robelli's But for whatever reason, I see him
Speaker 6: and he just has this all about her where I'm like, dude,
Speaker 6: this guy is an absolute monster. And he didn't even
Speaker 6: hit Linz clean and still Linz was out right like
Speaker 6: it's just nasty stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: I just think back to some of those Francis sin
Speaker 5: Gano highlights against Alistair overhim in twenty eighteen in Detroit,
Speaker 5: and uh, you're wondering if a man is gonna survive
Speaker 5: that bro. All of that being said, right, I'm a
Speaker 5: fan short for fanatic, right, and about of consequence this was,
Speaker 5: but you know, you're still talking about Francis and Goano
Speaker 5: is a minus two thousand heavyweight, and I don't even
Speaker 5: have a question. I don't even have a follow up
Speaker 5: your honor, right, But again, fight fans would love to
Speaker 5: see Francis and Gano against somebody who you know, maybe
Speaker 5: has a better chance to beat him, at least on paid.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that, you know, it's tough when you're a
Speaker 6: guy that that's good, that is that good outside of
Speaker 6: the UFC, And and I would argue even the UFC
Speaker 6: Heagway Division, you know, there's not as much parody as
Speaker 6: there used to be. And you know, I think that's
Speaker 6: gonna be the big challenge for Francis moving forward is
Speaker 6: who can we get to give him a challenge. I
Speaker 6: think robelis is interesting and I think he's extremely dangerous.
Speaker 6: Does he have the level of competition that Francis and
Speaker 6: Gano has? Certainly not, but I do think it could
Speaker 6: be a striker's delight and and there's a little bit
Speaker 6: of intrigue there for me, you know, based on how
Speaker 6: Robellis did against Junior Descentos. This is a guy that
Speaker 6: can you know, have he has similar powers and speed
Speaker 6: in a Francis and Ghanu doesn't have the experience, doesn't
Speaker 6: have the grappling. I will definitely acknowledge that. But we'll
Speaker 6: see what happens in the future.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: But Francis is an absolute monster.
Speaker 5: Yeah, combat sports is such an interesting world. You know,
Speaker 5: he'll probably like box Jake Paul next or something.
Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, I think I think Jake Paul would
Speaker 6: like that if he wants to come back to boxing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, well, Francis man ferocious, just absolutely ferocious.
Speaker 5: Francis and Ghano and yeah, we'll see what happens. Hopefully
Speaker 5: it's MMA. I'd rather see Francis and MMA than boxing. Yeah, Platinum,
Speaker 5: Mike Perry. A lot of violent things come in your
Speaker 5: way when you fight that individual under almost any rule set,
Speaker 5: A nod to Nate Diez immortalized behind me in defeat.
Speaker 5: But my goodness, man, you know, Mike Perry was very relentless,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot to sort of get into in
Speaker 5: terms of the stoppage and stitched around and everything like that.
Speaker 5: But what'd you make of the co main event or
Speaker 5: the main event number two?
Speaker 6: Yeah, two legends of violence going at it man and
Speaker 6: and Mike Perry.
Speaker 4: I thought looked fantastic. You know.
Speaker 6: The mixing up the strikes was something that I think
Speaker 6: surprised me most. You know, Mike Perry's development, you know,
Speaker 6: has been interesting, you know, seeing go from go from
Speaker 6: MMA to bare knuckle and back to mm A again,
Speaker 6: and the fact that he really put the work in.
Speaker 4: Uh, what was evident to me.
Speaker 6: I think his speed and power has always been impressive.
Speaker 6: But again the variety of the versatility of how he
Speaker 6: was striking and attacking the body going upstairs. I like
Speaker 6: how he was pacing himself. Anytime he would get a
Speaker 6: little bit tired, he would reset, as opposed to maybe
Speaker 6: an earlier, less mature Mike Perry would have just kept
Speaker 6: swinging bong Adam trying to knock him out. But he
Speaker 6: knew the challenge that was in front of him in
Speaker 6: Nadeas and how dangerous Nadiaz is down the stretch. But man,
Speaker 6: I don't think Nadaz really had much of an answer
Speaker 6: to those powerful shots and the mixing up of strikes
Speaker 6: and the elbows that were cutting him up, the knees
Speaker 6: that were cutting him up. And you know, Nate has
Speaker 6: always kind of struggled with his footwork a little bit,
Speaker 6: and I think that came back to plague him here
Speaker 6: as he was kind of caught up against the cage
Speaker 6: and eating various combinations from from Mike Perry. But I
Speaker 6: thought it was exciting while last. But you know, Nate Diez,
Speaker 6: I think defensively could have been better, and I think
Speaker 6: he could have been a little bit more active from
Speaker 6: the get go, but you know, he's notoriously a slow starter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so at the end of round two, it looked
Speaker 5: like there was a conversation between Stitch and Nate Diaz,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't a very long one. But what were
Speaker 5: your thoughts sitting hexagon side as to the end of
Speaker 5: the fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, So it wasn't until they were back
Speaker 6: in the corner on the stool that I saw like
Speaker 6: the multiple nasty cuts, lacerations, lacerations on the scalp of
Speaker 6: n Diaz. Now it's not like, yeah, dude, it looked
Speaker 6: like someone took a hatchet.
Speaker 4: I mean it was nasty.
Speaker 6: I mean these were horrible. These were Frankenstein level.
Speaker 8: Yea.
Speaker 6: You know openings on his head and I and we
Speaker 6: know about the scar tissue over his eye and all
Speaker 6: that stuff, but.
Speaker 4: These were new.
Speaker 6: These were on his head, they were very large, and
Speaker 6: of course you have the risk of infection, not.
Speaker 4: To mention all that blood was going into his right eye.
Speaker 6: It's enough dealing with that juggernaut Mike Perry in front
Speaker 6: of you throwing all those strikes with two eyes, but
Speaker 6: with one eye, I think it would have been doing
Speaker 6: their fighter a disservice. Jacob Stitch Duran was actually hired
Speaker 6: by nat As to be there. He was not hired
Speaker 6: by MVP as a cornerman for the night. Nate Diaz
Speaker 6: brought him in and Stitch has been around this game
Speaker 6: forever and there are very few experts in the world
Speaker 6: in my opinion, Stitch, he's an expert at suturing and
Speaker 6: understanding the fight game and knowing when the fighter has
Speaker 6: had enough, and even though he was paid by Nate
Speaker 6: d As. He's like, you know what, no, man, it's
Speaker 6: not worth it. You're not going back out there. It's
Speaker 6: way too dangerous. And you know, I think he made
Speaker 6: the right decision there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank goodness that that's sort of the way things went.
Speaker 5: You just didn't need to see him absorb any more strikes.
Speaker 5: But my goodness, man, right, And it's not just because
Speaker 5: I got Nadas in the studio. The heart, the toughness,
Speaker 5: sort of the willingness to absorb punishment like that with
Speaker 5: Mike Perry coming with all limbs and you know, the
Speaker 5: angles of those elbows, man, and the knees and the
Speaker 5: investment in the body is just like Owes. Yeah, absolutely nasty.
Speaker 5: Respect to Nadez. And Mike Perry has high taxes even
Speaker 5: though I think he lives in the state of Florida.
Speaker 5: But he makes a lot of money and he deserves to, right,
Speaker 5: he deserves to. He fights for your money, to quote
Speaker 5: Yanni the Greek, and in all disciplines, in all phases,
Speaker 5: and worked hard to sort of spin this thing back
Speaker 5: to mixed martial arts and perform really well.
Speaker 6: I have chills thinking about it, and it seems so
Speaker 6: you know, simple, But when Mike Perry says some stuff,
Speaker 6: you kind of just feel it in your bones. And
Speaker 6: Mike Perry at the way and he only had like
Speaker 6: a few words like you know, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: And leading up this fight, He's like, this is my
Speaker 4: favorite part, and.
Speaker 6: I just believe it, Like this dude was built for battle,
Speaker 6: like a Robbie Lawler, like an Diaz. But this guy,
Speaker 6: he like should have a shield and a sword somewhere.
Speaker 6: You know, back a few hundred years ago, he would
Speaker 6: have been that dude leading the charge because that's.
Speaker 4: Just who he is.
Speaker 6: And so I'm extremely happy for him because he's certainly
Speaker 6: had some ups and downs in life and in the
Speaker 6: fight game. And to see him making a lot of
Speaker 6: money now, it's so well deserved. And the dude's a study.
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Speaker 5: of this and we will change gears here and talk
Speaker 5: about UFC three twenty nine McGregor versus Holloway too, I
Speaker 5: said Connor McGregor a direct.
Speaker 4: Message on Instagram. I'm not sure if he read that
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor last competed at UFC two sixty four in
Speaker 5: July of twenty twenty one, unceremoniously broke his leg and
Speaker 5: has not been back since. He's going to be back here, Kenny,
Speaker 5: and it's going to be in short over less than
Speaker 5: two months from today, in a rematch with Max Holloway
Speaker 5: of a fight that was at featherweight in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 5: this one will be at welterweight. Your thoughts on Connor
Speaker 5: McGregor back in the octagon and ultimately the matchup that
Speaker 5: they chose to proceed with.
Speaker 4: I love that he's back.
Speaker 6: This is obviously, you know, the biggest superstar in mixed
Speaker 6: martial arts history, him and Ronda in my opinion, and
Speaker 6: I think the fact that he's back is a great sign.
Speaker 6: The fact that he's been you know what, seems like
Speaker 6: he's focused and determined to kind of go out there
Speaker 6: and get a win, and he wants a tough challenge.
Speaker 6: I think Max Holloway is a perfect reintroduction into the sport,
Speaker 6: and now Connor is dealing with the long layoff away
Speaker 6: from mixed martial arts right and especially coming off that entry.
Speaker 6: I'm really curious to see how he's going to perform.
Speaker 6: If there's someone who is going to ignore the injury
Speaker 6: and fight the way he normally fights, it's going to
Speaker 6: be someone like Conor McGregor. Max Holloway is quite the challenge,
Speaker 6: but I think this is a fight that makes a
Speaker 6: lot of sense at the point of both of their careers.
Speaker 6: It's gonna happen at one hundred and seventy pounds. It
Speaker 6: looks like I always think that both of those guys
Speaker 6: are probably.
Speaker 4: Best at one point fifty five.
Speaker 6: But either way, I think we have a dandy of
Speaker 6: a matchup and excited to see it.
Speaker 5: It's so interesting when you think about matchmaking and how
Speaker 5: to handle Connor in this spot, and how the BMF
Speaker 5: title fight result almost has no implication as to what
Speaker 5: is happening here.
Speaker 4: I think part of Connor McGregor would love.
Speaker 5: To be competing for the BMF belt, even if maybe
Speaker 5: on paper, the stylistic matchup against Charles olivera isn't as
Speaker 5: quote unquote favorable. But Max Holloway Kenny is minus three
Speaker 5: ninety five right now on DraftKings sports Book, a near
Speaker 5: four to one favorite, and Connor McGregor is plus three ten.
Speaker 5: So are you telling me that Charles Olivera would have
Speaker 5: been minus five hundred. I mean, I understand maybe what
Speaker 5: type of fight you're looking at and what the relative
Speaker 5: public approval rating was for that fight between Charles Oliverra
Speaker 5: and Max Holloway, But in terms of you know, straight
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts, this is a striking fight and it's
Speaker 5: happening at least a weight class above where there's any
Speaker 5: sort of championship consequence.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I think that's why it's gonna be such a
Speaker 6: great matchup, and I think for both guys. Both guys
Speaker 6: tend to shine when the guy on the opposite end
Speaker 6: of the octagon is a striker and not a grappler.
Speaker 6: Of course, we saw that example best in Max Holloway's
Speaker 6: last fight against Charles Olivera. I think in some ways,
Speaker 6: you know Connor, well, maybe in a lot of ways,
Speaker 6: Connor is probably the better anti wrestler I think, but
Speaker 6: both these guys are going to go out there swinging.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna make it very exciting. So yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a fight that makes sense. I'm a little surprised
Speaker 6: by maximum coming off of that one against Halloway. Like
Speaker 6: we are we believing that Conor McGregor still doesn't have
Speaker 6: knockout power, you know, Like, are we saying that he
Speaker 6: can't contend with other elite strikers right now at this
Speaker 6: point of career. I think he can. You know, again,
Speaker 6: I've been a big believer in connorcero at the beginning.
Speaker 6: But yeah, man, I feel a little disrespected with those numbers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when they said a betting line, they're trying to
Speaker 5: get two way action. But Connor McGregor is bursting with
Speaker 5: pride and certainly wants to compete at a high level,
Speaker 5: and I think matchup wise, yeah, I think there's a
Speaker 5: lot to like for Connor plus three ten. We'll see
Speaker 5: if that is a number that gets people to the window.
Speaker 5: But I'm definitely surprised at the discrepancy and the width there.
Speaker 5: I think Connor McGregor can absolutely be competitive off a
Speaker 5: layoff and rest assured that he has been using to
Speaker 5: only twenty six to try to sort of maximize his utility.
Speaker 5: On July eleventh, Max Holloway is going to be just ripping.
Speaker 5: What a tremendous fight. It'll be either way at International
Speaker 5: Fight Week. But yeah, I think there are a lot
Speaker 5: of different directions. I guess you could have gone when
Speaker 5: it came to Connor McGregor, the Michael Chandler fights. Certainly
Speaker 5: that ship had sailed. We mentioned Charles olivera, but we
Speaker 5: didn't really talk about who it might be for Connor
Speaker 5: because it kind of seemed like a foregone conclusion and
Speaker 5: it just would have been elevated if Max had won
Speaker 5: and they were actually competing for a BMF belt, you know.
Speaker 5: So I think Connor's really the only losing party in
Speaker 5: that that he doesn't get to actually compete for a belt,
Speaker 5: you know. But Kenny Max has said that he wants
Speaker 5: to compete at eighty five before all.
Speaker 4: Is said and done.
Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see, you know, Holloway all yoked
Speaker 5: out at seventy. But yeah, and he will be Yeah,
Speaker 5: very interesting fight at UFC three twenty nine. And certainly
Speaker 5: happy for Connor McGregor because even though his return wasn't
Speaker 5: as expeditious from the leg break as Chris Wadman or
Speaker 5: Anderson Silva. You know, it's a lot to come back from,
Speaker 5: and we hope that the last few weeks here. Yes,
Speaker 5: we can say a few weeks of training camp. Go
Speaker 5: well at your headline or UFC three two I McGregor
Speaker 5: versus Holloway too, Kenny, excuse me. We have some other
Speaker 5: fights on that card very quickly, if I could, Patty
Speaker 5: pimblet versus Ben Was Saint Denis is the co main event.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you care to venture a guest
Speaker 5: as to who you think the betting favorite is and
Speaker 5: then the early thoughts on that comin event.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, I would say Patty slight favorites. Is that accurate?
Speaker 5: Or no, Ben Was Antony is the minus one to
Speaker 5: eighty betting favorite.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's interesting. See, Okay, we have two grapplers
Speaker 4: going at it.
Speaker 6: I think that Ben Wall perhaps the better wrestler, better
Speaker 6: takedown guy, but I think Patty is the better submission artist.
Speaker 6: So I think that's a really interesting fight. Both guys
Speaker 6: are crazy aggressive, whether it's with striking or grappling, hunting submissions,
Speaker 6: so I think that's a I think that's great matchmaking
Speaker 6: right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cody, don't give him the lines. Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: the matchmaking is great. I think it's probably closer to
Speaker 5: a pick him. It sounds to me like Kenny Floory
Speaker 5: needs to make a deposited drafting sportsbook after the proceedings
Speaker 5: today and maybe bet On Connor and Patty you got
Speaker 5: Cody Garbrandt versus Adrian yan Yez. Robert Whittaker in his
Speaker 5: UFC light heavyweight debut, or perhaps it's not his two
Speaker 5: hundred and five pound debut. I mean we called his
Speaker 5: tough Smashes Gold Coast UFC debut against Bradley Scott. That
Speaker 5: was at eighty five if memory serves, he's fighting Nikita Krillov.
Speaker 4: You got any thoughts on that? Wow? At two of five?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that matchup for Whitaker. You know, Krillof
Speaker 6: is kind of a maniac when he fights. You know,
Speaker 6: he's very aggressive, gets in your face. So I think
Speaker 6: it's going to be exciting while it lasts. I think
Speaker 6: Whittaker's ability to withstand punishment at two hundred and five
Speaker 6: pounds remains to be seen, so he's got to be
Speaker 6: careful against what I think is going to be a
Speaker 6: much bigger krill Off but hey, Whitaker is gonna be
Speaker 6: the faster guy I would imagine so interesting. I'm looking
Speaker 6: forward to seeing him at two o five.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I'd be shocked if Connor McGregor
Speaker 5: closes north of plus three hundred. He's plus three ten
Speaker 5: right now in DraftKings Sports Book, I would be shocked.
Speaker 5: Ken Flow's favorite fighter, or at least top five favorite
Speaker 5: UFC fighter, Lonnie Cavanaugh is competing against Brandon Royvall in
Speaker 5: the Flyway division.
Speaker 4: Look at you smile, You're like, yeah, you f C showcase.
Speaker 5: If my guy at UFC three two nine, any idea
Speaker 5: who the betting favorite is? Kavanaugh and Royvall at one
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty five pickles.
Speaker 6: That fight is gonna be so good. Those guys are
Speaker 6: absolute maniacs. Okay, that's gonna be a good, good one.
Speaker 6: So I'm so bad at this. Roybal slight favorite.
Speaker 4: Lonnie is minus one seventy. Let's go okay.
Speaker 5: Part of the reason I ask you to pick the
Speaker 5: betting lines is because it gives us a little bit
Speaker 5: of a leads. And do you think's gonna win the fight?
Speaker 5: He's not a one seventy. Roy Vall plus one forty two.
Speaker 5: You also got Tracy Cortez fighting Wongtong a few other highlights.
Speaker 5: I would like to get to, so, Cory Sanhaegeny, So
Speaker 5: get to a point in your career right where you
Speaker 5: give Mario Bautista this rematch that he so richly deserves,
Speaker 5: and shout out to Cory Sandhagen forgiving him the rematch.
Speaker 4: Right you need? Is there a lota sognia to fight
Speaker 4: Joe Pifer?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: You need these things to happen.
Speaker 5: In a perfect world, Sean O'Malley would be getting my
Speaker 5: applause because he would have fought Cory san Haagen on
Speaker 5: the White House cart with respect to my man, Aman's
Speaker 5: a hobby, was far us a hobby not in Arnold
Speaker 5: Allen's corner.
Speaker 4: By the way, I didn't see him. I didn't see
Speaker 4: him here.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's all hands on, amen, right now,
Speaker 5: all hands on, decade. It's a hobby fighting at the
Speaker 5: goddamn White House here in a few weeks, I don't know, know,
Speaker 5: perhaps there was a bar Mitzvah or something.
Speaker 4: I really don't know.
Speaker 5: But Cory Sanagen is minus one fifty five Mario Bautists
Speaker 5: plus one thirty. But it's just outstanding matchmaking and you
Speaker 5: need both guys to except the fight.
Speaker 4: You got Gable Steveson as a minus. Go ahead.
Speaker 6: You want to say something, well, I was gonna say
Speaker 6: risky rematch for san Haagan to take, you know, because
Speaker 6: obviously Bautista.
Speaker 4: Has been on one. He has a much improved.
Speaker 6: Fighter and and and perhaps shows the confidence level of
Speaker 6: san Hagan, you know, to take that one.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a great one too.
Speaker 5: All right, let's get to the star of the show
Speaker 5: and the Ray Long go minute.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to push a hole in this.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, there is First off, I want to say, Kenny,
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Speaker 5: As I mentioned, some of my personal money will be
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Speaker 5: Well, we have a lot of thrown sport coffee showing
Speaker 5: up to Longos Mixed Martial Arts. So we have a
Speaker 5: lot to get into with you today. Uh, first of all,
Speaker 5: hit the applause button. Did you see our man Kenny
Speaker 5: Florian on Netflix this weekend?
Speaker 4: Do you see that? Right?
Speaker 3: We're so happy for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Okay, thank you guys. All right, there
Speaker 4: it is there, It is all right.
Speaker 5: So let us set up this catchwaight affair involving Pumi
Speaker 5: Nakuda if we could, and perhaps some post traumatic stress
Speaker 5: and entering for Ray long ago, given what we saw
Speaker 5: against Marob Dwallis Willy or excuse me, Ricky Smolle and
Speaker 5: Morob Dallas Wheely back in the day.
Speaker 4: Even though an exact cop it certainly is not.
Speaker 5: Kenny was there technical submission by rear naked choke at
Speaker 5: four fifty nine of round three, which makes no sense
Speaker 5: as I look at that right now.
Speaker 4: It was Adriano.
Speaker 5: Maris over Pumi Nakuda right as far as my eyes
Speaker 5: can tell, Ray and Kenny Nakuda was conscious and but
Speaker 5: I held the choke after the final horn. So if
Speaker 5: the scorecards read for Nakuda, he should still be undefeated Ray.
Speaker 5: And uh, yeah, the fight game just continues to uh
Speaker 5: taketh away more than it giveth.
Speaker 3: I guess huh, Look, we're gonna have to go what
Speaker 3: we are. There's just no accountability. This is the only
Speaker 3: agency that Have they ever been wrong ever? Like in life?
Speaker 3: Has everybody ever been totally right? Is that even make
Speaker 3: any fucking sense to anybody? Have they ever been wrong ever?
Speaker 3: This is a pretty this is a pretty small bunch
Speaker 3: of guys. Man, They've never been wrong, and they're not
Speaker 3: gonna do nothing this time. You know, when Morob went out,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't even take his appeal. How about that? They
Speaker 3: wouldn't even hear it, right, talk about arrogance.
Speaker 5: This, though, is far more egregious. Kenny, Is it not right?
Speaker 5: Ricky Simone? You know final horn? There was nothing after
Speaker 5: the fact, right this dude? I mean, Ken Fill, you
Speaker 5: were there, please enlighten us.
Speaker 6: Well it was crazy, right, I mean it was an
Speaker 6: awesome fight. I think both guys were fighting their asses off.
Speaker 6: It was back and forth, and I thought Poomi was
Speaker 6: on his way to a potential win there, and but
Speaker 6: I obviously had a strong round three and finished strong
Speaker 6: there got the back. I was like, okay, he held
Speaker 6: on to the choke, and that's the big thing. It's like,
Speaker 6: at what point was poomi nakuda out? He was fine?
Speaker 6: He was conscious now he it looked like you know,
Speaker 6: I know al Jo said, he held on for like
Speaker 6: two to three seconds. If you look at it, it's
Speaker 6: probably one second. But as we all know, you can
Speaker 6: be conscious one second and one one more second after
Speaker 6: that be out right, So that's all it takes. So
Speaker 6: I was a little surprised because this is this wasn't
Speaker 6: just a decision that happened in real time, okay, And
Speaker 6: if it was, you're like, I kind of get it
Speaker 6: because the ref's there. It happened so quickly, YadA YadA.
Speaker 6: What exactly when did you, you know, break them apart?
Speaker 6: And her her was a little bit late on that
Speaker 6: should have been right on top of it. You see
Speaker 6: the guy in the rare naked choke. You have to
Speaker 6: be there already. You shouldn't be, you know, several yards away, right,
Speaker 6: So there's that part of it, and again not an
Speaker 6: easy job.
Speaker 4: I acknowledge that.
Speaker 6: But then you know, you held on there at the end,
Speaker 6: and then you have a reviewed So there was a
Speaker 6: couple referees outside reviewing tape and they still went with
Speaker 6: that decision, which was kind of a head scratcher. And
Speaker 6: you know, I know that myself and even Sean Weelock,
Speaker 6: who was our expert, you know, judge on the outside,
Speaker 6: unofficial judge we.
Speaker 4: Call of thought that, hey, Poomy probably got screwed there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'll tell you the other thing is, I'm
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure, but I think he when
Speaker 3: he broke it up, he takes Pomi's hands off, first
Speaker 3: the hands he was fighting, joke.
Speaker 6: And a guy which was the lay okay, yeah, which
Speaker 6: the layers, which is even.
Speaker 3: Worse like, he didn't go for He didn't go for
Speaker 3: the other guy's hands, which would have relieved the pressure.
Speaker 3: He went for Pomi's hands. And the guy should have
Speaker 3: let go exactly at that point, but he didn't, and
Speaker 3: and and the kid got screwed. And look, man, uh,
Speaker 3: how do you have five geniuses around a teleprompt and
Speaker 3: looking at it they come up with four fifty nine?
Speaker 3: Are you fucking joking? Wow? They're pretty good, man, They
Speaker 3: are pretty fucking good. And they had to do that.
Speaker 3: That's why I say it's all cover your rass, cover
Speaker 3: your ass covery rats, cover your wrists right, and if.
Speaker 4: Somebody if it's four fifty nine, he definitely was not out.
Speaker 3: Somebody the ship added his motherfuckers that nothing's gonna change.
Speaker 3: I mean, something's gotta happen. But look, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I think, look, I love the kid.
Speaker 3: I think he made a great show for himself. Short, short,
Speaker 3: short notice fight maybe ten days. I know, I couldn't
Speaker 3: say nothing about it, you know, when he found out
Speaker 3: and they had to wait for the contracts and again
Speaker 3: that fight was supposed to be at one twenty five.
Speaker 3: The word came back one thirty and there's no fight.
Speaker 3: So they fucked him on that toe. And that's a fact.
Speaker 3: So the whole thing is rotten, you know. Just but look,
Speaker 3: Matt got knocked out his first UFC fight. Al Joe
Speaker 3: got dismantled, you know, like by Marais. You know, Morob
Speaker 3: lost that fight that you got to hit ad versa.
Speaker 3: You got to come out swinging. Man. You got three
Speaker 3: motherfuckers that you're close to that became world champions. And
Speaker 3: that's all that I give a shit about, right.
Speaker 6: I think myself and a lot of people were really
Speaker 6: impressed with Pumi all week, like from you know, him
Speaker 6: being on the mic, to being pro through and through
Speaker 6: the things that he was saying to promote himself and
Speaker 6: promote the fight, and to his performance. I think there's
Speaker 6: no way he lost any of that. I think he'll
Speaker 6: be back. I think there's no question that he deserves
Speaker 6: a rematch, and hopefully they do it. Man, but he
Speaker 6: has such a promising future. Man, he's a fantastic fighter.
Speaker 3: Really smart, intelligent fighter. Plus he's he's got movie star
Speaker 3: looks too. Man, he's great on the mic. He's a
Speaker 3: good look really kid, you know, dude, I remember the
Speaker 3: first day that kid walked into the gym. He was
Speaker 3: such a nice kid when he went to Hofstra. I
Speaker 3: made somebody at Hofstra's, like right down the block from
Speaker 3: the gym. I was so protecting. I made somebody drive
Speaker 3: him back to the gym. I didn't even want him
Speaker 3: walk in the streets alone. Like That's how he gave
Speaker 3: me that type of impression when he came in the gym.
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3: He was just a good dude, man, And I hate
Speaker 3: to see bad shit happen to the good people. And
Speaker 3: this kid's been waiting his whole life to get on
Speaker 3: some sort of big stage and things were going good
Speaker 3: and to just get screwed over like that kind of.
Speaker 5: Right therein lies the issue. I mean, this podcast has
Speaker 5: championed the cause of Poomi Nakudah for a long time
Speaker 5: and you can lean into the adversity and you know,
Speaker 5: Jocko Willink would tell you good right, and I do
Speaker 5: think there is a lot to learn from. But it
Speaker 5: is unfortunate, like Ken Flow, this ain't gonna help him
Speaker 5: get to the UFC quicker, right, Like that is the
Speaker 5: reality of this, and Ray, it's unfortunate that there's sort
Speaker 5: of no appeals process that makes you feel encouraged that
Speaker 5: maybe you could get this overturned. Is that your phone
Speaker 5: episode five hundred ninety six. So Andy Foster's the man
Speaker 5: and really cares about the sport and has a rich
Speaker 5: history in it. But yeah, I don't think you're getting
Speaker 5: any sort of appeal and hopefully this is something that
Speaker 5: can be channeled in the right way for Poomi nakuda
Speaker 5: But this didn't really have a parallel to Morob Dwallis
Speaker 5: Willie and Ricky Simoneray because that was sort of there
Speaker 5: was no sort of foul or extended you know who's
Speaker 5: samarpoliatis like, joke, No, I'm just kidding, mister. Yeah, to
Speaker 5: tell me yo, who's but to go?
Speaker 3: But the point is you made the decision after the
Speaker 3: fight was over. The ref didn't stop that fight. The
Speaker 3: fight was over. You go to my school because not.
Speaker 4: Hear the horn right right?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So yeah, I mean you've
Speaker 3: got it. You know, I only want to start going back.
Speaker 3: You'll get me crazy again. I'm in I'm in the
Speaker 3: happy place.
Speaker 5: Right all right, So let's be efficient because we've got
Speaker 5: a lot to get to. Okay, Ray Long Go Minute
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Speaker 3: No? I just have. It's got a little cross on,
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Speaker 5: I think I talked about it on the podcast. So
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Speaker 4: Want to keep I want to keep the focus on
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Speaker 3: And what's what's he got? What's what's his problem with chains?
Speaker 3: What's he what's he saying about that?
Speaker 5: Well? I think he's that sort of says something about
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Speaker 5: Arnold Allen over melks Iel Costa in the UFC main event.
Speaker 5: Ray were you able to watch that in all of
Speaker 5: the combat sports madness this weekend?
Speaker 3: Uh? I caught it at a bar because you know,
Speaker 3: I promoted fights, That's why I wasn't with Pumi. I
Speaker 3: had a big fight promotion on Long Island and I
Speaker 3: did catch the end of it at a boss. So
Speaker 3: I can't really say too much about it. But it
Speaker 3: did look like Arnold was having not having a problem.
Speaker 3: He's definitely he's just a super technical guy by Allan
Speaker 3: and h and maybe that guy stepped up a little
Speaker 3: too quick. But I can't really say, you know what,
Speaker 3: I what I was watching, I was drinking, I was eating.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but what were you drinking? No? I
Speaker 3: was just drinking more and I wasn't drink because I was,
Speaker 3: but I was with the al Joe did an appearance
Speaker 3: actually down the block from where the fight was, so
Speaker 3: we all ran over there after the fight was over,
Speaker 3: and he's trying. He gets me to try it, gets
Speaker 3: me to drink a bottle of that rum. I just
Speaker 3: can't do it, and then the rum. The rum is fantastic,
Speaker 3: but I can't. You know, if I start drinking, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna be shocked for two days.
Speaker 5: At this point, Kenny, do you think Ray could get
Speaker 5: the Ray Longo Meda to be sponsored by Funk Harber.
Speaker 4: Wow, let's go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you will give you like seventy eight percent of
Speaker 5: the profits.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: I think that would really help his brand too. I
Speaker 3: just really it's not nice he took I'm serious.
Speaker 4: Well, Kenny's happening.
Speaker 3: I'm him. I mean, he's gonna come to he's teaching
Speaker 3: tonight at the school. I'm gonna I'm gonna pitch it
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 4: Let him know it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Anyway, Kenny saw that fight, Yeah, well Ray, So yeah,
Speaker 5: first of all, I thought Alan looked fantastic.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, because I do think that Melkie's eyel
Speaker 6: is a threat and extremely dangerous. And I thought Allan
Speaker 6: stepped up his game and to me looked way sharper
Speaker 6: than I've seen him in the past.
Speaker 4: So I thought that was a big win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I actually only saw a
Speaker 3: couple of fights. I went back. I saw a well
Speaker 3: make a fight just to see how he would do
Speaker 3: after a loss. But he looks like he's he's uh,
Speaker 3: he's running into some rough This is a really wicked
Speaker 3: sports sports nuts man. You could be You're on cloud
Speaker 3: nine one day and you're in the toilet the next day. Man,
Speaker 3: you've got to be mentally, mentally squared away to participate
Speaker 3: in the sport ray.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously we had the Ronda Rousey Gina Carnal
Speaker 6: fight that went down, and you know, the overall consensus,
Speaker 6: it seemed like people before the fight, uh, they were
Speaker 6: coming up to me and talking about it. It's you know,
Speaker 6: they loved the fact that they had, you know, stars
Speaker 6: from kind of the the old times when they thought
Speaker 6: that you know, MMA was at its peak perhaps and
Speaker 6: we have another star from that peak MMA era.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, Conn McGregor coming.
Speaker 6: Back, does that get your juices flowing the fact that
Speaker 6: he's coming back and going against another you know superstar
Speaker 6: Max Holloway. It does for me. I think it's exciting.
Speaker 6: But what do you expect from Connor? And are you
Speaker 6: excited with the announcement?
Speaker 4: What's the deal?
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, man, it's not I'm not that excited.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for everybody involved, but I'm not. It's not something.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's been too long man at this point.
Speaker 6: So you have your doubts about the way he's going
Speaker 6: to perform. Is that what it is?
Speaker 3: Or Uh? I don't know. I'm the wrong guy to ask.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. There's something it's I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe because he said he was coming back a hundred
Speaker 3: times and I just think I'm the type of guy
Speaker 3: I just write you off at that point, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So now he's coming back. But look,
Speaker 3: he branded himself. He did more for the sport than
Speaker 3: ninety nine point five percent of people did, so he
Speaker 3: deserves everything he did. I I just hope he's his
Speaker 3: training right, you know, he's not drinking, partying and doing
Speaker 3: that ship and uh not just coming in for a
Speaker 3: payday or for whatever other reason. I hope, I hope
Speaker 3: it's a good fight. That that that I hope, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it'll it'll be good, but
Speaker 3: I'm not not super stoked for it. I mean I'm
Speaker 3: way more stoked for the poorer or Engagee and Pereira
Speaker 3: ring Gone. If that, if that, maybe that puts it
Speaker 3: in perspective. I think the guys that are current, that
Speaker 3: are constantly fighting, that's who I want to see.
Speaker 4: And you know, so then what then?
Speaker 5: Then what do you feel about Rousy versus Krano then
Speaker 5: compared to fucking Topuria and Podata? You know what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 5: Like you have to know. Well, that's what I'm saying though,
Speaker 5: but like.
Speaker 3: The same thing, yeah, same thing. I mean I was,
Speaker 3: I was happy.
Speaker 4: Look, so you're comparing Rowsy Corano to.
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well I'm not trying to be.
Speaker 3: I'm not Halloway. I love Holloway. Let's not. I know
Speaker 3: I'm saying no, no, no, I'm just saying, uh, it
Speaker 3: just looks like guys are grabbing money fights now, and
Speaker 3: you know, which is all good. That's why, like even
Speaker 3: Carono Resie, I'm happy. Everybody did good. I think everybody
Speaker 3: knew the way that fight was going. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't even some people said it was a fix. I'm fixed.
Speaker 3: We were sitting in the boss saying exactly what was
Speaker 3: going to happen? Right, take him down?
Speaker 4: Alja people, I don't know the sport, but yeah, yeah, al.
Speaker 3: Aljoe had a hip tours to an arm bus. So
Speaker 3: I said, well, you were wrong. It was a double.
Speaker 7: Leg to a mount to an almo or whatever it was.
Speaker 7: But yeah, look, I'm happy for them. I'm happy for
Speaker 7: everybody on that card. I think the UFC does need competition,
Speaker 7: so I'm happy about that. I'm happy to see Poomy
Speaker 7: pick up a huge payday for a guy that only
Speaker 7: fought on the local circuits. To make one hundred and
Speaker 7: sixty grand, that's pretty nice, you know, for the kids.
Speaker 7: So I think that'll that'll help him out a lot.
Speaker 7: And uh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I think most of the matches were put together
Speaker 3: to see exactly what we saw up guys get knocked
Speaker 3: out bad and for how to get submitted like that.
Speaker 6: See, I don't I don't think Connor. I don't think
Speaker 6: this is a money grab for Connor. I guess number
Speaker 6: one Connor doesn't need the money. He's his his second
Speaker 6: generation of kids are going to be all set. I
Speaker 6: think that for him, I genuinely believe that he thinks
Speaker 6: he's gonna come back and like, you know, make a run,
Speaker 6: like you know.
Speaker 4: Whether that's realistic or.
Speaker 6: Not, I don't know, but I think in his head
Speaker 6: that's actually what he thinks. I think he he wants
Speaker 6: to go out there. He wants to knock out Max Holloway,
Speaker 6: and then he wants some other big fight against I
Speaker 6: don't know who, but I think he wants I think
Speaker 6: he wants a big fight and he wants a challenge.
Speaker 4: That's what I genuinely think.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't know. I mean, look, Kenny, you
Speaker 3: know you've been around fight is. You know, nobody knows
Speaker 3: when it's time to get the fuck out, and uh,
Speaker 3: this is a big fight him in Holloway. That's a
Speaker 3: big name fight.
Speaker 4: He's a big dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: If I was a straight shill, of which I have
Speaker 5: been accused in the past, I certainly wouldn't have. Even
Speaker 5: before Dana White suggests that maybe I felt like the
Speaker 5: ship had sailed on McGregor versus Chandler right, they're trying
Speaker 5: to put forth a more consequential fight than that. Now
Speaker 5: Connor the way, yeah, right now, Connor would plausibly be
Speaker 5: favored against Michael Chandler here, he's a plus three ten underdog.
Speaker 5: I think what Kenny and I are just talking about,
Speaker 5: and this is not me schilling. Yeah, we believe there's
Speaker 5: a competitive spirit there that is leading the dance when
Speaker 5: it comes to his return. And even if his own
Speaker 5: dreams about what this return could be maybe sound aspirational
Speaker 5: to us, if he thinks about like Islam, Makashev or something,
Speaker 5: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility
Speaker 5: that he performs very well against Max and potentially gets
Speaker 5: a knockout. And I don't think he should be plus
Speaker 5: three ten. So I don't know, But you know, your
Speaker 5: lack of enthusiasm, I'm not gonna let it necessarily curb mind.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, no, he's the people love that guy. Look,
Speaker 3: Connor is a fighter. He handles him. I always thought
Speaker 3: he handled himself beautifully in victory and in defeat. Like again,
Speaker 3: his trash talking is second to none. I mean, do
Speaker 3: you think he'll sell this fight? Like he sold fights
Speaker 3: in the past.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the sales pitch is really that the
Speaker 5: man who did more to build the sport than anyone
Speaker 5: next to Dana White is back for the first time
Speaker 5: in five years. I mean, I don't know that there's
Speaker 5: any bad blood. Cody's suggesting he already is building the
Speaker 5: fight Kenny. I don't know how promotionally he's going to
Speaker 5: attack or not attack Max.
Speaker 3: I think Max is a hard guy to attack because
Speaker 3: he's such a freaking nice guy.
Speaker 4: So he's the man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he is the man with that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: but look, I hope he comes back and does great
Speaker 3: and exactly what you say. But you know, you know, Kenny,
Speaker 3: as you get older, I mean your brain, Like sometimes
Speaker 3: I look at shit and the guy do that he's
Speaker 3: I can't even come close. Like it's just like your
Speaker 3: brain is definitely going to tell you could do things
Speaker 3: that your body can back up. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's at that point, but I'm saying like, based
Speaker 3: on whatever we've been watching, that guy has done a
Speaker 3: lot of damage to your to his body, and I
Speaker 3: know the body is resilient, but dude, that's a lot
Speaker 3: of drinking and drugging man like, God bless him, God
Speaker 3: bless him. He'd come back and do it. God bless him,
Speaker 3: because then he's a special guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that.
Speaker 6: I certainly saw that in some of the fights this weekend,
Speaker 6: where you know, Junior Desantus, I could tell he was
Speaker 6: trying to do certain things. Potty just would not let
Speaker 6: him write. I don't think Connor is at that point
Speaker 6: at all. I think that you know, he's gonna find out,
Speaker 6: and I think his coaches, I would love to think,
Speaker 6: would would know and be smart enough to say, all right, hey, listen, man,
Speaker 6: this training thing it's not working out.
Speaker 4: You look like crap. We got to cancel the fight. Er,
Speaker 4: I don't think you're ready.
Speaker 6: I think he's been building up for a while in
Speaker 6: training and saying, hey, he's looking good. Yeah, let's take
Speaker 6: the Max Holloway fight. I think they'd be foolish just
Speaker 6: to take any fight. And I think it makes sense,
Speaker 6: you know, given what Max Holloway did you know or
Speaker 6: has done the last few fights. I think it's a
Speaker 6: patch that does make sense, and I think we'll get
Speaker 6: a good gauge of how he performs here. It's like
Speaker 6: if he goes out there and like John says, like
Speaker 6: gets a knockout. Hey, maybe he is back and maybe
Speaker 6: he is a legitimate threat to some of the elite
Speaker 6: in the division. So I think it remains to be seen.
Speaker 6: I think we will get a better read on things
Speaker 6: in the next you know what month or so, whenever
Speaker 6: that fight is.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Listen, look, look, first of if I'm happy for both guys,
Speaker 3: I'm just asking my enthusia about like I can't wait
Speaker 3: like this fights, I can't wait to see. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: one isn't one of them, but I hope they both
Speaker 3: performed great. And there's a big difference between looking good
Speaker 3: in the gym and going through that Ouctor gutten door
Speaker 3: and doing it. I'll give you a perfect gym, Anthony Smith.
Speaker 3: This is recent within a couple of years farming what
Speaker 3: Wideman said. I don't know how this motherfucker River loses
Speaker 3: a fight like he was Whiteman, still gonna crush you
Speaker 3: in the gym, but performing under the lights is different.
Speaker 3: His anxiety. There's other stuff involved. But and it's not
Speaker 3: a knock but like what you know, when I was
Speaker 3: with Chris and the gym, like nobody's taking nobody's running
Speaker 3: through the guy. He looks he looks great, but there's
Speaker 3: a lot. Then you make that weight cut you're not
Speaker 3: used to. You haven't done that in years. It's suck.
Speaker 3: What's what's the weight.
Speaker 4: Is also good?
Speaker 3: That helps him out. So Max is right that once.
Speaker 5: Well, Max is a big boy with a big frame,
Speaker 5: and he said to me, I think seven or eight
Speaker 5: years ago, that he wanted to take a fight at
Speaker 5: middleweight before his UFC career was said and done. But
Speaker 5: I think if Connor McGregor's preparation was being documented as
Speaker 5: if it was this otherworldly, you know, like bj Pen
Speaker 5: training for Kenny Florian type preparation, everybody'd be like, oh man,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Ten right that that would get me excited, right, So
Speaker 3: that's yeah, yeah, yeah, you're risking me now. And I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, uh, you know, I really didn't think about it.
Speaker 3: They just got announced. But it's not I didn't jump
Speaker 3: out of my chair.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not trying to.
Speaker 3: But you're you're right though. They start doing that and
Speaker 3: they get that guy going, I bet you I'm right
Speaker 3: in there with him. I'm just it's too early for me.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the best way to.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna get a T shirt printed that says
Speaker 5: Bounts of Consequence right as an MMA fan, Ultimately, Arnold
Speaker 5: Allen versus Melchaziel Costa in a tough division right at lead,
Speaker 5: that is a hugely important fight in terms of just
Speaker 5: straight bracket competition championship stakes.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: You know, It's not like Connor McGregor's gonna beat Max
Speaker 5: Holloway and get on a mic and be like, where's
Speaker 5: that Ecuadorian Michael Morales? You know, if I'm gonna get
Speaker 5: a title fight, I need to fight Morales or let
Speaker 5: me fight Carlos Protest earn my title fight.
Speaker 4: No, you know, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: A fair matchup. Yeah, and I like it. I like
Speaker 3: it as an ancill everything. But I like to see
Speaker 3: the big fights with consequences now, you know for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, when I'm making the comparison to
Speaker 6: the to the Corono Rowsey thing, I think there's there's
Speaker 6: two separate things that we're talking about here, right, There's
Speaker 6: like big names and then there's like big name fights,
Speaker 6: and then there's like quality matchups of where they're both
Speaker 6: at in their careers, and I think those are different.
Speaker 6: Then people can be excited about the names, and people
Speaker 6: can be excited about the matchups, or people could be
Speaker 6: excited about both of those things.
Speaker 4: And I guess that was my kind of competitive I.
Speaker 3: Was at a people were watching, you know, that's that's
Speaker 3: for damn sure.
Speaker 5: And I wasn't trying to be interrogative or at all. No, no, no,
Speaker 5: I guess I just like when Connor McGregor he fought
Speaker 5: Donald Troni early twenty twenty and then was off for
Speaker 5: a year, and then he fought twenty twenty one two
Speaker 5: times and was getting in an active competition cycle, a
Speaker 5: cycle that a lot of people suggested he would never
Speaker 5: get back in because of silk sheets. There was enough
Speaker 5: money to not and he wanted to be back, and
Speaker 5: then he broke his leg and one thing led to
Speaker 5: another and a two year delay became four and now five.
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's at all out of the
Speaker 5: room possibility that you see Connor McGregor here and if
Speaker 5: something good or bad happens, right, I mean what he
Speaker 5: lost to Dustin Pourrier and then turned it right back around,
Speaker 5: Like I feel like, yeah, he got knocked out and
Speaker 5: then turned it right back around. I think this dude's
Speaker 5: trying to fight a couple times, potentially in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Now, how old is Conna? Now? How old is Conna?
Speaker 5: I think he's thirty six?
Speaker 4: Maybe Code, can you look at that up? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Maybe he's thirty seven anyway, very interesting.
Speaker 4: Thirty thirty seven, thirty seven, thirty seven years of age.
Speaker 3: He'll be thirty eight.
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, is that the landline?
Speaker 5: Ray?
Speaker 3: Holy crap?
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 4: What that is?
Speaker 3: This? What are you a fucking rottweiler?
Speaker 9: Is?
Speaker 3: Does this guy have? Holy shit? Can they come over
Speaker 3: he and just protect my house? When you hear something
Speaker 3: outside like somebody stepping on a twig? So havn't it?
Speaker 4: It could also be that you're going deaf, my man.
Speaker 3: It could be Oh yeah, Kenny, there's no question about that.
Speaker 3: But nothing's getting better, Kenny, if that's what you want
Speaker 3: to know, Nothing is getting better.
Speaker 4: I think the difference is that Kenny is nicer than
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: That's pretty obvious.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, my twin brother nicer than me. Everybody
Speaker 5: nicer than Kenny though, right, Like your cell phone beeps
Speaker 5: and you know, Kennedy good landline, Kenny, lets it go
Speaker 5: your dog?
Speaker 3: I think I think me and Kenny a guy. Don't
Speaker 3: sweat the small stuff. You're just you're sweating over.
Speaker 5: Every Yes, I thought you were gonna say me and
Speaker 5: Kenny are guys, guys which would also fighters, fighters or whatever, right,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I guess I do sweat the small stuff.
Speaker 5: And anybody else who sweats the product. Yes, Cody, we
Speaker 5: sweat the product. Look with the producers throwing you under
Speaker 5: the bus now he says, we sweat the product.
Speaker 4: So he doesn't like your phone.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 5: But anybody who wants to chime in, and the comments
Speaker 5: on YouTube that, uh, they appreciate me getting ahead of
Speaker 5: this phone stuff.
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear from you folk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, men and men come out and support me. Please,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 4: I think our time with you is done unless you
Speaker 4: have anything else.
Speaker 3: One thing. Yeah, great night of fights locally? Is want
Speaker 3: to say that we had a clean sweep of seven people?
Speaker 4: Nice? So did you fix the matchups to go seven
Speaker 4: and oh?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, a couple of them, but that from
Speaker 3: a local show, no, okay? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well R J.
Speaker 5: Clifford never was the beneficiary beneficiary of subject matchmaking like that,
Speaker 5: you know, and he still wants some fights raight, So
Speaker 5: seven and oh what was the highlight of the seven
Speaker 5: and oh before we getitar get, I.
Speaker 3: Gotta tell you we had a kid, uh kind of
Speaker 3: Conna Brendan. He's a nineteen twenty year old kid. He's
Speaker 3: got such a bright future. Man. He took on a
Speaker 3: man like he fought the man. He just really broke
Speaker 3: that guy down. That's off to everybody. Danielle how first
Speaker 3: fight she did fantastic. Uh, I'm gonna leave somebody out. Lewis,
Speaker 3: Uh did great. Joe Casey, Yeah, fucking Joey yay, Joey
Speaker 3: straight down the middle, right hand, flatten the guy. Great
Speaker 3: Joe title, great title, won the title. I'm gonna forget somebody.
Speaker 3: I mean it's gonna kill me. Yeah. Lord Roch had
Speaker 3: a great fight. She actually uh, they gave it like
Speaker 3: a majority split decision, but she definitely won the fight.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe next time you can have your man Steve
Speaker 5: Lee just right down the winners and provide surnames as well.
Speaker 3: Witness. But wait, whole day, leave anybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're training with long everybody wins. Hey, happy birthday?
Speaker 5: When's your birthday?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately one's day.
Speaker 5: Let's go May twentieth, May twentie, Yes, we got Cody
Speaker 5: May fifteenth. We got you made ros Buffer May twenty first,
Speaker 5: and you know what happens next Tuesday, May twenty sixth.
Speaker 5: No fucking fifty burger for ken flow fifty.
Speaker 3: No, no way, Kendots, Is that true? You look?
Speaker 4: Yes, you look?
Speaker 3: You look amazing. You look amazing, young, young, and hot.
Speaker 5: That's how old there we go Wednesday? How old are
Speaker 5: you going to be on Wednesday? I'm not telling you, okay,
Speaker 5: uh sixty three?
Speaker 3: Sixty eight?
Speaker 5: Jeez, I mean, my gosh, not a rink your eyes?
Speaker 5: I mean, do you get botox? Geez hey, thank you
Speaker 5: for your time.
Speaker 4: I love you. I didn't mean to come across as antagonistic, but.
Speaker 3: John, that's a true sign of love. What's the matter
Speaker 3: with you? I love you.
Speaker 5: Happy sixty eighth birthday?
Speaker 4: Right, happy burden there bro take it man, take it
Speaker 4: easy by very long co minute.
Speaker 5: Every week on the Anticaplorian podcast, we now go three
Speaker 5: wide and welcome in or other recurring guests. And he
Speaker 5: is so much more than that.
Speaker 4: Rated r J.
Speaker 5: R J. Clifford is with us live from the Pacific
Speaker 5: coast of the United States of America.
Speaker 4: RJ front and center. Good to see a handsome how
Speaker 4: are you doing?
Speaker 9: I almost don't want to interrupt. That was so fun
Speaker 9: just listening to you three.
Speaker 2: How how many?
Speaker 4: Just question?
Speaker 9: How many shows do I have to be on before
Speaker 9: I get a trip to Turkey?
Speaker 2: Sponsor shows? Do I have to do?
Speaker 3: To?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 9: These Clifford jeans aren't aren't hanging up like they should?
Speaker 5: You know, let me get at let me get a
Speaker 5: little serious on YOUA. Do you really want to go
Speaker 5: to Turkey and have a hair transplant? Is that something
Speaker 5: you're desirous of?
Speaker 2: Do you think I need one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: I think I have a full head. I shave my head.
Speaker 5: I think men should shave there.
Speaker 9: I just can't be the this guy on this show
Speaker 9: and have the least amount of hair.
Speaker 2: I think that's bullshit.
Speaker 5: All right, Well be the case, because I do believe
Speaker 5: that there are sponsorship opportunities for people in mixed body
Speaker 5: transplants if they desire, or you could go to Ken
Speaker 5: Flow's place and you know, not even have to shave
Speaker 5: your head.
Speaker 4: There are options out there.
Speaker 5: I just feel like guys should shave their head and
Speaker 5: thereby look exponentially tougher.
Speaker 4: All right, so much to get dude?
Speaker 5: How about Ken Flow turning fucking fifty fifty can't but
Speaker 5: leave it? Yeah, I mean obviously there's a lot of
Speaker 5: complimenting of his looks on this show, not even on
Speaker 5: weeks in which he doesn't turn fifty, right, but like,
Speaker 5: let's not bury the dude, Like, dude, like I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be like when I'm about to be fifty, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be pissed.
Speaker 9: How have you thought of how you're gonna say it?
Speaker 9: You're like half century? Does that sound like less than
Speaker 9: five decades? Have you like done like how many days
Speaker 9: that is? Like have you figured out what's like?
Speaker 4: The both are bad?
Speaker 6: I think half a century is pretty crazy, you know,
Speaker 6: just yeah, even just telling people like yeah, I was
Speaker 6: born in the nineteen hundreds, Like.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'll be happy when I'm forty nine, right
Speaker 5: that whole year be like I'm forty nine, forty nine?
Speaker 4: What's your fifty? Y?
Speaker 5: Like his whole energy changed off the top of the
Speaker 5: show when I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 9: You know, like you're gonna have people asking, like you
Speaker 9: know which side on the north of the south?
Speaker 2: You know, when you start saying exactly.
Speaker 4: Half you must have been something before electricity?
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, what a weekend appreciates r. J. Clifford
Speaker 5: providing some show notes, a lot of different directions in
Speaker 5: which we could go. So Ronda Rousey gets it done
Speaker 5: in seventeen seconds, and my MMA fanaticism is such that
Speaker 5: I immediately think, not Kayla Harrison, Amanda noon Is. But like,
Speaker 5: could she be competitive with the Norman Dumonts of the
Speaker 5: world in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, and Composa put it perfectly on Twitter,
Speaker 9: like there's fighters in the top ten that are still
Speaker 9: around from the Ronda Rousey era, like she was still
Speaker 9: you know, there's fighters from when she was fighting that
Speaker 9: are currently ranked. So like you, like you said earlier,
Speaker 9: like Gina Carano could not have handed that win any
Speaker 9: easier to Ronda. So it's not like a great place
Speaker 9: to kind of gauge if she's in, Like you were
Speaker 9: tuning in to Ronda Rousey versus Gina Rona to see
Speaker 9: what they've been working on for the last seventeen years.
Speaker 2: Like he was really disappointed.
Speaker 9: It was, you know, it was vintage Ronda and and
Speaker 9: kind of vintage Gina in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, like.
Speaker 9: Of all the weight classes in mixed martial arts, women's
Speaker 9: bandam weight not exactly the Pacific Ocean of depth, and
Speaker 9: Ronda looked physically fantastic. Did you guys notice Kenny at all?
Speaker 9: Like she has like a kind of a weird stance,
Speaker 9: like was there like a limp. I don't know, I
Speaker 9: don't know if there's like maybe something going on with
Speaker 9: Da Ronda.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, Ronda had an ankle injury leading up
Speaker 6: to the fight. Apparently I didn't know until after the fight,
Speaker 6: but yeah, it was. It was definitely apparent like something
Speaker 6: was off. I couldn't tell if it was just a
Speaker 6: different kind of walk. But yeah, Because maybe this is
Speaker 6: a silly question, Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 9: No, No, I'm just saying, like, when you you know,
Speaker 9: she's not fifty, but she's almost forty, when you you
Speaker 9: start getting like kind of chronic issues at that point, right,
Speaker 9: So that's what I was wondering.
Speaker 2: Was it like a chronic hip issue or is it Oh,
Speaker 2: she rolled her ankle.
Speaker 9: You know, I threw my back out with this with
Speaker 9: a sneeze the other day and I'm forty two, So
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know any high level grapplers who don't have
Speaker 6: something wrong with them or a variety of things wrong
Speaker 6: with them. But you know, maybe this is a silly question,
Speaker 6: but what were your expectations heading into this? Was this
Speaker 6: pretty much the way you saw it? And and what
Speaker 6: are your thoughts there? Those are like, yeah, that that
Speaker 6: was a fix. It's like you guys haven't seen a
Speaker 6: Rhonda fight.
Speaker 2: It seems yeah, uh that minus two thirty under.
Speaker 4: Round in a half or Randa buy arm bar.
Speaker 9: I mean, like right, like it was pretty standard operating procedure, right,
Speaker 9: I mean I don't I don't think Ronda is interested
Speaker 9: in competitive matchups, and I think this Geno fight was
Speaker 9: kind of what she wanted.
Speaker 2: It made sense.
Speaker 9: It was a high profile you know, I want to
Speaker 9: let my mind wander like John and be like man
Speaker 9: her like her versus Holly Home to her versus Cyborg
Speaker 9: like whoa Like that's talk about some like outside of
Speaker 9: the UFC awesome matchups.
Speaker 2: But I don't think.
Speaker 9: I mean, Rondo avoided Cyborg when she was enterprime, you know,
Speaker 9: and now that she's like, you know, wanted to have
Speaker 9: a family. And I don't know, Kenny, you you you
Speaker 9: around that far more than me does. Does Ronda feel
Speaker 9: like she's gonna keep doing this? Or is this kind
Speaker 9: of just a nice quick babay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think this was kind of some closure from
Speaker 6: her last exit from the sport. I think this was
Speaker 6: kind of a fight that she wanted to put together
Speaker 6: just because of the nostalgia I think of the event.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't think she's going to fight again.
Speaker 6: And I think I believe her when she says she
Speaker 6: wants to go and make babies and yeah, but what
Speaker 6: are what are the fights?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Did you find interesting that night on the MVP cord?
Speaker 6: Did you see the morays? Uh Pumi Tokuda fight and
Speaker 6: and the controversy here around that we've.
Speaker 9: Been Yeah, I'll and I'll stream it from the rooftops forever.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know athletic commissions that people call for
Speaker 9: just you know, breaking them down and fire everybody, Like,
Speaker 9: how about just a five minute presser after an event?
Speaker 5: How about just that?
Speaker 2: How about just that smidge of transparency.
Speaker 9: I don't think that's too much to ask, right, And
Speaker 9: if someone's gonna do it, it's the California Athletic.
Speaker 2: Commission with Andy Foster is one of the most fortificking commissioners.
Speaker 9: They have no motivation to do it. They you know,
Speaker 9: working in secrecy, is a great way to work. I
Speaker 9: wish I could do that myself, but I don't think
Speaker 9: it's a crazy ask. And I think that's I think
Speaker 9: that's a small step, but a giant step of.
Speaker 2: Just hey, Herb, what did you see?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've people looked at the replay and you decided
Speaker 9: to go with submission at four fifty nine.
Speaker 2: Explain, please let us like put them in front of
Speaker 2: some journalists.
Speaker 9: Explain what you saw, give us your reasoning, and then
Speaker 9: at least we'll have that right, at least explain to
Speaker 9: what's what's going on as opposed to just all right,
Speaker 9: we're just asking questions and because like I know, they
Speaker 9: have no reason to.
Speaker 2: But it would just be so big, guys, it would
Speaker 2: be huge.
Speaker 6: Well, I think they do because it gives clarity to
Speaker 6: the fans who are watching it and be like, you know,
Speaker 6: what's going on here?
Speaker 4: How are you guys thinking about this?
Speaker 6: And I think it gets more importantly, perhaps gives clarity
Speaker 6: to the fighters themselves about like what's going on in
Speaker 6: this sport that they're participating in and risking their careers
Speaker 6: and lives for.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, well, Cody saying Herb's gonna love you,
Speaker 5: Ary l hel Wani later today, and if anyone's gonna
Speaker 5: push him on that four fifty nine garbage, it's probably him,
Speaker 5: So that's a good thing. But the four fifty nine
Speaker 5: just makes no sense. So yeah, it's really interesting. And
Speaker 5: perhaps it is fruitless for me to even wander with
Speaker 5: my mind about Ronda Rousey because she isn't going to
Speaker 5: return to competition, but it is sort of, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: something that you do when we spend it for but
Speaker 5: probably fruitless there. So I do want to get to
Speaker 5: this capsule lock if I could. As two guys who
Speaker 5: know a thing or two about jiu jitsu, I don't
Speaker 5: want to sit here in all my ignorance and say
Speaker 5: I still don't fucking get it. But I have watched
Speaker 5: it twenty five times and I don't profess to have
Speaker 5: a bunch of clarity. So Kenny, I'll start with you,
Speaker 5: and then you can pass the baton unless ardel Yon
Speaker 5: gets it done by capsule lock submission. And this had
Speaker 5: never happened before in the UFC.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, her opponent had got the body
Speaker 6: triangle from guard on her back, and a lot of
Speaker 6: times fighters have the wrong instinct of going, well, how
Speaker 6: can I make.
Speaker 4: This even tighter. Oh, I see her leg there.
Speaker 6: Let me let me tie my ankle in there and
Speaker 6: that will make it extra tight, only to actually give
Speaker 6: herself a knee or ankle lock.
Speaker 4: And and that was kind of the big issue there.
Speaker 6: It puts a lot of pressure on the knee capsule
Speaker 6: gives a lot of pressure also on the ankle sometimes
Speaker 6: as well, either the one that's tied into it or
Speaker 6: the far ankle.
Speaker 4: So it's a bad read. It's a bad idea for
Speaker 4: a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 6: But it was cool that, you know, the fighter was
Speaker 6: able to kind of take advantage of that. Is our
Speaker 6: or Alice Ardell.
Speaker 4: Butchered that. But the capsule lock.
Speaker 9: Uh somewhere Carl gotcha's smiling, right, It just looked like
Speaker 9: catch wrestling one oh one right, just kind of crushed
Speaker 9: something until it snaps.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 9: And Yeah, I'm with Kenny, like, hopefully this dissuades fighters
Speaker 9: from doing that body triangle from guard because there's like
Speaker 9: there's nothing there, Like, there's nothing there, there's nothing that
Speaker 9: Anderson yourself, man, Yeah, like I hope you learned your lesson.
Speaker 9: Go sit in a corner and think about it. Like
Speaker 9: Anderson still did a sweep, awesome sweep with that one
Speaker 9: time in Pride and he like he was able to
Speaker 9: get his instep under into like a cool sweep like.
Speaker 9: Other than that, it's just been a stall technique. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: learn your lesson fighters.
Speaker 4: Stop it.
Speaker 5: You said r J that Arnold Allen versus Melchaz al
Speaker 5: Costa was perfect matchmaking, and it really was a good fight.
Speaker 5: I know Arnold Allen was critical of the meta apex
Speaker 5: after the fact, and that is a whole other core
Speaker 5: of an hour conversation, right.
Speaker 4: And I do believe that this fight would have been.
Speaker 5: Great or appreciated if it was a raucous crowd behind it.
Speaker 5: But I just thought Arnold Allen's boxing looked awesome and
Speaker 5: I thought this was great to watch.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 9: Shame on MVP for trying to counterprogram Arnold Allen Costa.
Speaker 2: Right, put a whole together, a whole car just to
Speaker 2: counterprogram these great featherweights.
Speaker 9: No, I mean you got you got Arnold Allen who
Speaker 9: went on this that fantastic run and then lost three
Speaker 9: of four against three of the top seven featherweights in
Speaker 9: the world, and then you had Melki want you know,
Speaker 9: one six in a row with style points in every
Speaker 9: single fight, just didn't quite have the names the scalps
Speaker 9: like the resume, so they both kind of collided perfectly.
Speaker 9: Arnold Allen I think deserve to not fight a former
Speaker 9: champion for a matchup, and I think Melki Costin deserved
Speaker 9: a high profile spot. But it just showed man Arnold
Speaker 9: Allen's just so disciplined. H The game plan was sound.
Speaker 9: There was a couple of times in the later rounds
Speaker 9: early where Milkie would kind of start to get a
Speaker 9: little bit of momentum and then Arnold Allen just shut
Speaker 9: him down, didn't let him get his way.
Speaker 2: It was awesome Arnold do that. I think.
Speaker 9: I don't know when you saw Kenny, but I don't
Speaker 9: I wonder if Arnold improved a lot or if Milk
Speaker 9: was just kind of a nice matchup for him. It
Speaker 9: seemed like Alan kind of just was able to be
Speaker 9: vintage Allen and was able to not cruise but.
Speaker 2: Made it made it look pretty easy.
Speaker 4: No I spotted. I think it was a little bit
Speaker 4: of both.
Speaker 6: I think it was a good matchup for him, but
Speaker 6: I saw and much improved Arnold Allen.
Speaker 4: He looked sharper. I think he looked.
Speaker 6: Refreshed, and he was just getting the better of those
Speaker 6: exchanges repeatedly against a very dangerous guy at Costa. He
Speaker 6: was trying to get things done, but Alan just seemed
Speaker 6: to be a step ahead every single time. And you know,
Speaker 6: there's been some times where to me, Alan didn't carry
Speaker 6: that same level of passion in some of the rounds,
Speaker 6: Like it's almost like he's kind of content to cruise sometimes.
Speaker 6: This one he was working, you know, for everything out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he didn't get a finish, not for any
Speaker 5: lack of effort, and he bemoaned the fact that he
Speaker 5: didn't get one after the fact. But again, he's looking
Speaker 5: for the rematch with Mavsori Ofloyev and uh still very
Speaker 5: much a featherweight force with whom to be reckoned. All right,
Speaker 5: A few other things here with R J Clifford Live
Speaker 5: on the Anakin Florian podcast. So the extent to which
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor is back back or back for one fight,
Speaker 5: I don't know, what are your thoughts on the matchmaking
Speaker 5: with Connor and what the rest of twenty twenty six
Speaker 5: Slash twenty twenty seven might hold for the notorious Connor McGregor.
Speaker 9: Well, I think with everything Connor McGregor, I think we
Speaker 9: get really caught up and understandably so and everything around
Speaker 9: the fight, because that's it's just a giant circus and
Speaker 9: in all the right ways when when Connor fights, and
Speaker 9: sometimes we forget about like.
Speaker 2: Connor Max two's a really fucking fun five boys.
Speaker 9: Yeah, like that's just good, like from just like a
Speaker 9: tape study nerd MMA standpoint. The most casual fan in
Speaker 9: the world can look at that fight and say, Wow,
Speaker 9: that's gonna be a lot of fun. Love the matchmaking,
Speaker 9: and they're fighting at one hundred. Who gives a shit pounds?
Speaker 9: Like just put those two badasses together and the little
Speaker 9: bit of storyline. They're already talking shit on Twitter like yeah,
Speaker 9: just just can't wait for International Fight Week for that fight.
Speaker 9: And then you know, the UFC also understands, like when
Speaker 9: there's a Connor McGregor fight, obviously that's what everyone you know,
Speaker 9: he's the one that brings all the boys of the yard,
Speaker 9: and so they match up the rest of the cards
Speaker 9: with people that are like good matchups, like you don't
Speaker 9: have to have giant name value, but guys they believe
Speaker 9: in and so like the rest of that card's fantastic too,
Speaker 9: But yeah, I think that's always the big question, right,
Speaker 9: is he there'll be five years in one day exactly
Speaker 9: between fights for him, and with that long layoff, is
Speaker 9: he coming back just to do this max thing?
Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of good fights.
Speaker 9: For him, right, Like that trilled you with Nate, Like
Speaker 9: I mean that trilled you with Nate das they could
Speaker 9: both be on a ten fight losing streak, and I
Speaker 9: think everyone's still gonna want to see Connor versus Nate
Speaker 9: three if that brings Nate back to the UFC, and
Speaker 9: then obviously multiple matchups and multiple weight classes for Connor
Speaker 9: makes sense.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm really curious about. I mean, Kenny, you
Speaker 2: know him better than I do.
Speaker 9: He doesn't seem like a guy that's just kind of
Speaker 9: like just Ronda just kind of show up, take a
Speaker 9: paycheck and bounce like he wants, like he thoroughly believes,
Speaker 9: like he's still the best fighter in like three way classes.
Speaker 6: Right yeah, I think that's what That's what made him
Speaker 6: so great was his self belief. And I think, you know,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be interesting to see how his training goes
Speaker 6: leading up to the fight, uh, and whether his body
Speaker 6: can stay healthy. To me, I think that's bigger than
Speaker 6: anything else is can't he stay healthy? Because I do
Speaker 6: think that if he is healthy, not only could he
Speaker 6: win this fight, he could potentially finish Max. I do
Speaker 6: think he's that good, He's that talented, And yeah, what
Speaker 6: are you expecting from Connor? You know, Ray was saying, well,
Speaker 6: maybe this is a money grap I don't think that's
Speaker 6: the case. Again, I don't work for the UFC, but
Speaker 6: I'm excited about it. And I do think that Connor
Speaker 6: is earnest in his attempt to go out there and
Speaker 6: beat Max and then see what's next, maybe face someone,
Speaker 6: uh you know, to go up to maybe to fight
Speaker 6: for a title at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean he's gonna be thirty eight in July, so
Speaker 9: that's obviously a factor here. I don't know how quite
Speaker 9: clean his living is to be able to sustain, right,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean? Like, you know, I'm forty
Speaker 9: two and just I was just trying to like play
Speaker 9: on the jungle gym with my daughter yesterday and a
Speaker 9: couple of cantile that Margoty is afterwards, and just like,
Speaker 9: nah that I'm kind of sore, you know, like my
Speaker 9: body through anything Connor has so but I think I
Speaker 9: think it's good that he's doing it now. I think
Speaker 9: he wants to and I think the next eighteen months
Speaker 9: or so is his like not last gas per se,
Speaker 9: but I think that's when it's most interesting, when it's
Speaker 9: you know, it's Connor. So even when we all kind
Speaker 9: of know maybe the wheels have come off a little bit,
Speaker 9: I think they're still intrigue and I think there's still,
Speaker 9: you know, stuff to be excited about. But I am
Speaker 9: genuinely intrigued, not just for the circus, but I'm genuinely intrigued, Like.
Speaker 2: How good is he?
Speaker 4: How good is.
Speaker 9: Connor McGregor right now in the year of Our Lord
Speaker 9: twenty twenty six act all the way? Is the perfect
Speaker 9: guy to find out?
Speaker 5: I think so well, And I would submit to you,
Speaker 5: are Jay, and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 5: However efficiently, I would submit to you that he's better
Speaker 5: than plus three ten against most guys. Right, No, I
Speaker 5: mean this is not fighting Michael Morales, you know, Like
Speaker 5: I mean, go ahead, what's.
Speaker 2: The path to victory for Connor against Max Halloway?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 9: Like he's kind of have to knock him out, right,
Speaker 9: I mean he can't very hard, yes, right, It's like,
Speaker 9: what's the path to victory for Connor? It's and Max
Speaker 9: has finally been cracked, right.
Speaker 4: It took five rounds.
Speaker 9: We got five rounds, five rounds, right, like rounds the
Speaker 9: volume of Max Halloway.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many rounds Connor can win.
Speaker 9: Is he gonna put the wrestling shoes on again like
Speaker 9: he did the first time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just trying to think, Kenny, like, what's what.
Speaker 9: Are like the top three most like most likely paths
Speaker 9: to victory for Connor? And I'm thinking like knockout, knockout, knockout, Like,
Speaker 9: I don't know if there's another, like really really clean
Speaker 9: path to victory for.
Speaker 2: What was with Max.
Speaker 9: I mean, he could win rounds, he can win with kicks,
Speaker 9: he can win in the clinch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying, you know, Connor is this world class
Speaker 6: wrestler or grappler or anything like that, But I wouldn't
Speaker 6: be surprised to see him mix things up with takedowns.
Speaker 6: I think obviously he was forced more so than he
Speaker 6: wanted to win that first fight due to the torn
Speaker 6: acl during their fight. But I do think he's the
Speaker 6: more powerful puncher, So yeah, I agree with you on
Speaker 6: the knockout thing, but I wouldn't be surprised, especially coming
Speaker 6: off that loss against Charles Olivera. You know, you know
Speaker 6: in Charles Olivera, I think has very He's improved his takedowns,
Speaker 6: but he's.
Speaker 4: Not a world class wrestler either.
Speaker 6: And if I'm trying to win rounds or tire rout
Speaker 6: Max Holloway or mix things up and keep them guessing,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be a surprised to see McGregor integrate some
Speaker 6: wrestling in this fight.
Speaker 5: It is interesting, though, when you think about the evolution
Speaker 5: of the UFC's welterweight division from twenty twenty one to
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, right, because we all know Connor McGregor
Speaker 5: all filled with pride and championship asp. Right, this is
Speaker 5: not a welterweight division where maybe they're Kolby Covington or
Speaker 5: the great kamara Ousman Leon Edwards.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: I mean, just look at Ian Mashado, Gary and Carlos
Speaker 5: Protests and Michael Morales. These are like six foot three
Speaker 5: inch fucking monsters, right. I mean, I can't wait to
Speaker 5: see what the weltsweight division looks like in ten years,
Speaker 5: so there's a lot of exceedingly difficult fights at the top.
Speaker 5: Were he to do something special here at knockout Max.
Speaker 2: What's the uh, what's he got planned for pre fight hype?
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine him.
Speaker 9: It's Max, right, he's just like such a nice guy,
Speaker 9: Like he's not gonna fly to Hawaii and throw a
Speaker 9: dolly through a bus, right, Like it's all away, you know,
Speaker 9: Like what are you gonna what do you like?
Speaker 2: How are you gonna tackle this?
Speaker 9: Like that's that's honestly most intriguing with x'es and O's like,
Speaker 9: what's Connor gonna do?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, because he does his research on his guys, right,
Speaker 2: Like he finds out about.
Speaker 9: Your family and your background and your trainer and your agent, Like.
Speaker 4: What's he gonna do?
Speaker 2: Max? I'm gonna deep there, Connor, Good.
Speaker 4: Luck, Argie.
Speaker 5: I want to get one thought on Francis Ganu, and
Speaker 5: it can be in the context of the win over
Speaker 5: Felipe Linz, it can be just in the context of
Speaker 5: his straight destruction as an MMA heavyweight. But it seems
Speaker 5: that at times, only in combat sports do we have
Speaker 5: to deal with the very best not fighting the best
Speaker 5: in their relative primes, right, I mean, the Cleveland Cavaliers
Speaker 5: and the Detroit Pistons just handled their business over seven
Speaker 5: games and like nothing gets in the way. And so
Speaker 5: while this win should be celebrated and my eyes are
Speaker 5: peeled at whatever Eastern Standard time hour, it's like, well,
Speaker 5: if he's not gonna be fighting the best heavyweights in
Speaker 5: the world and the not too distant future, you know,
Speaker 5: then let me get my who cares folder?
Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I mean it was just another reminder two
Speaker 9: of like I always thought, like, all right, if there's
Speaker 9: any you know, talking about getting older, there's any opponent
Speaker 9: that would make me physically shit my pants in the
Speaker 9: cage if I had to fight them. I thought it
Speaker 9: was Cane Velasquez and rus Marplarrez for both obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: It might be Francis I Ganu.
Speaker 9: Now, yeah, I think I just so destructive and like
Speaker 9: you said, Kenny, like he only needs to connect like
Speaker 9: at fifteen percent, Like he doesn't need to hit the chin.
Speaker 9: He can like just like the bottom knuckle to your
Speaker 9: forehead and your brain's rattling.
Speaker 6: Well, he'd killed two birds with one stone, RJ. Because
Speaker 6: you'd be knocked out and you'd shot your pants from
Speaker 6: the god.
Speaker 9: So either before or after, either either way that uh,
Speaker 9: the shutter speed of the sphincter is not gonna be faster.
Speaker 9: But but I mean to your point, right, like he's
Speaker 9: he's gonna be forty in September. It's heavyweight, so you
Speaker 9: can do a lot of that. I mean, why did
Speaker 9: he fight to spawnan a like that should have been
Speaker 9: the fight right there, right, But you know, MVP, you
Speaker 9: know they match made the way they did for uh
Speaker 9: knockouts and they got them. But yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 9: so hard to find good heavyweights in the UFC heavyweight
Speaker 9: division sometimes, like trying to get a really good MMA
Speaker 9: heavyweight outside the UFC is a real challenge. And he
Speaker 9: time Francis is fighting mixed martial arts is it's a
Speaker 9: good thing. So I don't want, you know, I don't
Speaker 9: want to be too like.
Speaker 2: Too negative about it.
Speaker 9: Like they got him to do an MMA fight against
Speaker 9: the fighter on at you know, a UFC level guy
Speaker 9: on a win streag Sol That's that's a good thing.
Speaker 9: But I don't know, man, Like it's it's funny right
Speaker 9: whenever John Jones like legally can't fight Francis.
Speaker 2: That's when he wants to fight Francis.
Speaker 5: Like, of course, I know, I know, you know, it's
Speaker 5: like I'm really not trying to be negative. It's just
Speaker 5: there's nothing upon which to build here. I mean, he
Speaker 5: could fight Robellis to Spain, I guess for an MVP
Speaker 5: heavyweight title or something like that, but you know, I
Speaker 5: still it's gonna leave MMA fans jones and for more
Speaker 5: all right on a positive note to get you out.
Speaker 5: Corey Sanhagan accepting the rematch with Mario Bautista just speaks
Speaker 5: to everything that's great and racious about MMA, that Mario.
Speaker 4: Is so deserving.
Speaker 5: And you think back to the short notice UFC debut
Speaker 5: for him against san Haagen in twenty nineteen and Corey
Speaker 5: loses out on the O'Malley fight that he absolutely should
Speaker 5: have gotten as a blooded American, and now he accepts
Speaker 5: this fight right like there should be a GoFundMe for
Speaker 5: san Hagen just for fan approval.
Speaker 9: It is so weird, like I think of like fighter
Speaker 9: careers like not going the way I thought. And I'm
Speaker 9: like I thought for sure Cory sand Hagen would be
Speaker 9: on his like fourth title defense by now he's just
Speaker 9: so goddamn good and one of the best game planners
Speaker 9: and fighting minds that I love to just kind.
Speaker 2: Of byes with about fights.
Speaker 9: He just so and Marveltiz is one of the most
Speaker 9: underappreciated fighters in the division.
Speaker 2: He's, like you said, just so good.
Speaker 9: So like mistake free, which just in and of itself
Speaker 9: is so hard to do in mixed martial arts. I
Speaker 9: just yeah, this is fun stylistic matchup. It's two guys
Speaker 9: that I.
Speaker 2: Think are you know, criminally underappreciated.
Speaker 9: So you know, the bad thing is one of them
Speaker 9: is gonna lose, and it's gonna look real bad, right, Like,
Speaker 9: it's gonna look like it's gonna be a big, big setback.
Speaker 9: I'm just hoping the win doesn't just kind of hold
Speaker 9: serve for the winner. I hope it gets them to
Speaker 9: a place where they need to go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mario's the man, he really is. I think that
Speaker 5: umar loss is really going to fortune for that, all right.
Speaker 4: RJ.
Speaker 5: Clifford my man. So no UFC Lavevett this weekend, So
Speaker 5: anything planned? Do you have any recreational time or what?
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the the rare weekend off and so now
Speaker 9: I'm on kid duty.
Speaker 2: She's got about forty eight birthday parties this weekend to
Speaker 2: go to.
Speaker 9: She's just was goddamn most popular six year old and
Speaker 9: all of the beach.
Speaker 2: I guess she obviously has her mom's charm, so they
Speaker 2: have to be doing that.
Speaker 9: And yeah, man, hey, just real quick before I go. Yeah,
Speaker 9: genuinely warmed my heart like a Thanksgiving dinner. Hearing Kenny
Speaker 9: call color again like it just is all. Obviously, your
Speaker 9: contributions to MMA are great here like in a podcast form,
Speaker 9: it's phenomenal and fantastic. But to be able to like
Speaker 9: touch live action like touch the sport is uh is
Speaker 9: where you need to be.
Speaker 4: So hopefully you're very kind man.
Speaker 6: Next time I see you, I'm buying you eighteen Cantaloupe
Speaker 6: Margarita's thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh beautiful, the.
Speaker 5: One at r J Clifford m m A, please go
Speaker 5: follow my man, you're the best.
Speaker 4: We'll we'll talk to you in two weeks.
Speaker 5: Enjoy your Memorial Day holiday and the Kenny Floorian fiftieth
Speaker 5: birthdays for abrighanza and we'll talk to you in two
Speaker 5: weeks on the first gym.
Speaker 9: Five decades, half century.
Speaker 4: Thanks RJ. All right, now, really good about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do the.
Speaker 5: Rated r J every week here on the Anna Contorian podcast.
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Speaker 5: my better half.
Speaker 4: Eh No.
Speaker 5: I mean I hate when people said that, like right
Speaker 5: Mary Ah, I mean a married couple, words like oh,
Speaker 5: I imagine it inducing your spouse Kenny, like, oh, is
Speaker 5: it my better half?
Speaker 4: Death the fuck out of here? I mean we're twins.
Speaker 5: Imagine if I, oh, this is my better half, my
Speaker 5: my identical twin brother Jason Annik, what's up?
Speaker 4: What's up? Guys?
Speaker 5: Hey, flow, You know, the main reason he's talking about
Speaker 5: the fiftieth birthday is because you know we're going to
Speaker 5: be forty eight, and it's like, it is just so
Speaker 5: fucked being so much closer to fifty than thirty because
Speaker 5: we all sort of consider ourselves like kids in a
Speaker 5: way still, do you know what I mean? So so
Speaker 5: it's really our creep on fifty. That's the reasoning for
Speaker 5: him being so focused on that. If you want to
Speaker 5: know the truth, well yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: Like if you know you're going to be involved in
Speaker 6: a car crash, a very particular kind of car crash,
Speaker 6: like you want to see it first. And you guys
Speaker 6: got to cha to see me in that car crash,
Speaker 6: so I'll let you know how it goes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know, and like I'm about to be
Speaker 5: forty eight, but my wife is forty five and she's
Speaker 5: going to be forty six in December, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're always on my heels like it happened to everybody.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's so but flow congratulations brother, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: You know how much love I have? You tell how
Speaker 5: happy I was to see your face, your face, I
Speaker 5: mean as much as your voice at nine o'clock on
Speaker 5: the sticks. I just I don't have enough words. You
Speaker 5: guys have probably said a lot about that, but I'm
Speaker 5: just curious, were you like bolting to get up on
Speaker 5: that set to do those DraftKings gambling hits and then
Speaker 5: right back down to the booth.
Speaker 4: Tell me about what that experience was like for those
Speaker 4: that don't see I got my steps in on Saturday night.
Speaker 4: For sure. Yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It was kind of crazy. I was a little bit,
Speaker 6: a little bit embarrassing. I kind of felt like the president.
Speaker 6: You know. They had like security guards running me up
Speaker 6: and down, you know, to try to do these hits.
Speaker 4: But uh, it was. It was a little hectic. Man,
Speaker 4: it was interesting. But yeah, it worked out. You know,
Speaker 4: it worked out, you know.
Speaker 5: And I and I will say for Netflix and MVP.
Speaker 5: You know, I did this small thing for super Nova
Speaker 5: Boxing on Netflix this English translation right, So in a
Speaker 5: way flow, as I'm watching you, I'm feeling some of
Speaker 5: what is happening as Netflix dives into sports. Sports is
Speaker 5: brand new for Netflix, and so there's a lot of
Speaker 5: moving parts with these promotions right that are green if
Speaker 5: you will, so you can be sure MVP Netflix's second
Speaker 5: MMA event from a technical and production standpoint, will be
Speaker 5: leveled up from this event. Because you can only know
Speaker 5: what you don't know until you only know what you
Speaker 5: know until you sort of dive in. So for those
Speaker 5: watching a home expecting perfection, there's a lot of moving
Speaker 5: parts as these promotions and networks sort of dive in one.
Speaker 6: Hundred percent man, and John knows this better than anybody.
Speaker 6: But like you know, these MMA events, they're a gargantuine effort,
Speaker 6: you know it is, There's so much.
Speaker 4: That goes into it.
Speaker 6: There's so many moving parts, like you said, and you know, still,
Speaker 6: I think for them doing MMA for the first time,
Speaker 6: I thought it was a great success. I think it
Speaker 6: will only get bigger and better as time moves on.
Speaker 6: I think their biggest challenge moving forward is just, you know,
Speaker 6: getting the fights, getting the fights that matter, getting the
Speaker 6: fighters that matter.
Speaker 4: But from a production standpoint, I think they will only
Speaker 4: get better.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and one more thing, John, if I can,
Speaker 5: and I just want to shout out my friend Mike Perry.
Speaker 5: You know, there was a lot of talk about Nate
Speaker 5: Diaz ad nauseum, right, and Mike Perry was sort of
Speaker 5: almost an afterthought, and he got himself in tremendous shape.
Speaker 5: Still was gassing a little bit through that ten Minutes
Speaker 5: of War if you will, it does seem an inevitability
Speaker 5: now that Nate Diez is going to be finished by
Speaker 5: technical knockout, you know, and blood Stitch most certainly called
Speaker 5: that fight. But you know, Mike Perry, who's been in
Speaker 5: the bare knuckle boxing realm unable to use all of
Speaker 5: his mixed martial arts skills to mix some of those
Speaker 5: back in. I think it's no secret that his presence
Speaker 5: in dirty boxing has evolved his elbow game. He was
Speaker 5: throwing elbows, I think from just sort of being in
Speaker 5: that sort of realm. So I was proud of Mike
Speaker 5: Perry for being really very prepared. And while he has
Speaker 5: made a lot of money in his career, Taxman came
Speaker 5: coming about a year ago, so I'm glad that he
Speaker 5: sort of got this opportunity. And you know, Mike Perry
Speaker 5: is his authentic self now, just like he was five
Speaker 5: ten years ago when he was running through a window
Speaker 5: pane of glass. And the authentic self that is Mike
Speaker 5: Perry now is a mature, more different cat. And I'm
Speaker 5: excited to see where his career goes. Because that Perry
Speaker 5: Diaz fight had me excited for weeks.
Speaker 6: Going dude beautifully said, and I think that he probably
Speaker 6: because of those reasons you just mentioned, was the bigger,
Speaker 6: biggest winner of the night. You know, it's like giving
Speaker 6: himself options for non only bare Knuckle and MMA, but
Speaker 6: like now he becomes that big name, like you beat
Speaker 6: Nataz for whatever, it's like you're gonna be a bigger
Speaker 6: star because of it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and I thought he was great on the microphone,
Speaker 5: you know, He's like, I got the job done. And
Speaker 5: then Ariel o'hellwani said to him, you know, maybe it
Speaker 5: wasn't as an emphatic as you would have liked. And
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there thinking it was emphatic, and then Perry says,
Speaker 5: he's like, I think it was emphatic because it was
Speaker 5: just because it ends without someone asleep on the canvas.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I thought it was very emphatic beatdown that it was
Speaker 5: not without adversity. Natiez certainly came back at times. So anyway,
Speaker 5: just proud of Platinum today. Yeah, well, of course, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: And I think probably to this point to the show,
Speaker 5: Perry was a little bit under celebrated relative to the win.
Speaker 5: I was still stuck on us acting like children. That's
Speaker 5: the issue. Whether we dressed like children at times, that
Speaker 5: doesn't apply to any He's been fashioned forward since like
Speaker 5: his early thirties.
Speaker 4: But acting like children. You know.
Speaker 5: I was with the spron Thrown Sport Coffee CEO Michael
Speaker 5: Fidelli at the fifteen of the Mahome's Golf Tournament, you know,
Speaker 5: and he's like, yeah, that clip of you on the podcast,
Speaker 5: like crushing the can on your head, like we used
Speaker 5: it in like a clip for Target. We just like
Speaker 5: edited out you dropping the F bomb. And it's like,
Speaker 5: I don't even remember that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I tried to give myself cauliflower ear. That's the twin
Speaker 5: thing that was in my head right now. They are
Speaker 5: gentlemen out there who are actually getting I sent it
Speaker 5: to you, John, like plastic surgery to look as if
Speaker 5: they have cauliflower ear, to look like tough fighters. John
Speaker 5: tried to give it himself. I was drunk on a
Speaker 5: watch party and somebody challenged me to do it, and
Speaker 5: I took a couple of shot glasses and I was
Speaker 5: smashing my ear cargili the shot classes and uh it
Speaker 5: started to hurt too badly, so I didn't end up
Speaker 5: with cauliflower ear, but uh yeah, hopefully someone doesn't challenge
Speaker 5: me to shoot my ear up. Can you imagine how
Speaker 5: I'd get so last thing and then you you can
Speaker 5: take it back on the rails. But ken flow hair
Speaker 5: looked phenomenal, right, game calling a little bit after Turkey,
Speaker 5: if you will, Right, I could have been could have
Speaker 5: been healing, if you will. So the flow was flowing.
Speaker 4: Coincidence, I don't think.
Speaker 6: So It's funny because I still wear hats, you know,
Speaker 6: on the show and someone someone's comment was, Kenny's the
Speaker 6: kind of guy to go to Turkey, get hair transplant
Speaker 6: and still wear hats. Yeah, yeah, I don't have a
Speaker 6: had a today, So there you go.
Speaker 4: Oh it needs to breathe, you know. Yeah, let it
Speaker 4: agree on.
Speaker 5: Jason, anything else pressing before I get to opening up
Speaker 5: some cards. Anything on the weekend that uh that maybe ended.
Speaker 4: Up just real quickly.
Speaker 5: You know Ricky Lindell in the corner of Ronda Rousey, right,
Speaker 5: but probably didn't didn't need him as much, but like
Speaker 5: got to know Ricky Lindell through the Professional Grappling Federation.
Speaker 5: He's a big part of that promotion. And Ronda Rousey
Speaker 5: I mentioned this on a previous show, but she came
Speaker 5: to the PGF. She was embedded with those athletes sort
Speaker 5: of in their camp. And so even though we only
Speaker 5: saw sixteen seventeen seconds, Rowsey and Lindell did the work,
Speaker 5: and I think she had more to show than we
Speaker 5: were able to see.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, Ricky is one of the
Speaker 6: true good guys in the in sports and a fantastic coach.
Speaker 6: And the whole story about him calling Ronda, you know,
Speaker 6: when Ronda wasn't doing anything, saying hey, would you teach
Speaker 6: me judo and kind of in the back of the
Speaker 6: back of his mind knowing that.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm going to get her to compete again
Speaker 4: like that. This is like in the back of his mind.
Speaker 6: He said he kind of had like a message almost
Speaker 6: from God, and that he that was a part of
Speaker 6: his plan.
Speaker 4: And you know, I have chills thinking about it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, they're They're a dynamic duo for sure, and
Speaker 6: it was great to see Ricky over the weekend.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I mean, I could take these two sports cards and
Speaker 5: maybe try to give myself cauliflower Domina. Cruise Cruise has
Speaker 5: almost done, John stop stop Cruise has stopped. Like cruise, Yeah, crew,
Speaker 5: we'll have can you do it? If I lose the
Speaker 5: main event challenge this year. No imagine Domina Cruise was
Speaker 5: getting after you a little bit in the past, almost
Speaker 5: hurting you. Go ahead, No, dom I will never wrestle
Speaker 5: with him again.
Speaker 4: He is I I.
Speaker 5: He's trying to hurt me sight trying to hurt all right,
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Speaker 6: Flow Aldnna she's a beast. I love the way she fights,
Speaker 6: but uh, I mean ninety percent buy back.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's selling it back PSA eight. Yeah, sell sell, sell,
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Speaker 5: None of it belongs to any of you. It's all
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Speaker 5: Come on, ken Flow, no referees, no Whammy's in that?
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, kid Poeton worth worth less than al
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Speaker 4: Patata keeping that for keeping that? All right? Good?
Speaker 5: So we got one for the vault, potentially a fan giveaway. Cody,
Speaker 5: don't zoom in like that, just keep it the way
Speaker 5: it was. If you don't mind, I know you're trying
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Speaker 4: Less is more So.
Speaker 5: After the show, I'll go in and sort of assess
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Speaker 5: depending I'm due for another shipment. So depending on how
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Speaker 5: my money, Jay if I hit a big one or
Speaker 5: is that Matt Tanner's money if I You know, that's
Speaker 5: a good quin. I feel like we use that this
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Speaker 4: And let me know if you open these fans I'm dying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5: All right, So in twenty twenty three, Pinty select you
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Speaker 5: They're offering me slightly more than I paid for it,
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Speaker 4: Dude, it's flow.
Speaker 5: It's happened twice on this show where you know the
Speaker 5: identical twin thing. It just does happen, which is why
Speaker 5: maybe John I are destined not to do shows together.
Speaker 5: But I can't tell you twice on this show the
Speaker 5: same ship. He says, I'm about to say it. I
Speaker 5: literally was about to say, Yeah, I'm gonna tell her,
Speaker 5: you're gonna go buy it. Right, and and the cauliflower
Speaker 5: ear the cauliflower ear thing was in my ear.
Speaker 4: No pun intended as well, what's your hair doing these days?
Speaker 8: You're going, oh, oh right, but.
Speaker 4: I was months.
Speaker 5: I'm ready to shave it the funk off if you
Speaker 5: want to know the truth.
Speaker 8: Hey, thanks buddy, Hey, have a great rest of your days.
Speaker 4: Jason Anak with us here on the ankin Floring Podcast.
Speaker 5: Finally, I would like to thank Kevin Burt and everybody
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Speaker 5: Want to thank Ray Longo and r. J. Clifford and
Speaker 5: Jason Anak and Cody Marrow and Nathan Bronson and everybody
Speaker 5: behind the scenes at the Anak and Florian podcast.
Speaker 4: Happy birthday to.
Speaker 5: Cody and to Raymond Peter Longo, but mostly to the
Speaker 5: fifty Burger. Next time we talked to you, Ken Flow
Speaker 5: will be fifty. It'll be the first of June. We
Speaker 5: hope everybody has a good long weekend and a great
Speaker 5: Memorial Day. And thanks to all that have served this
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Speaker 5: you on the first of June. For kem Flum John
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