1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: We want to share a good friend's podcast with you 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: this week, Enjoy the Truth with Lisa Booth in the 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast Network. Are we living through an 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: episode of the Purge? It seems like every day we 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: get news stories of some tragic death of someone. We 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: saw a Democrat Congressman Henry Quaar was carjacked at gunpoint 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: in DC. Recently, we've seen left as activists. One liberal 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: reporter was shot and killed his home in Philadelphia, which 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: drove news. Another left wing activist was stabbed to death 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Sadly, a father of three was recently murdered. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: A businessman was recently murdered on his way to his 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: twenty year high school reunion in Chattanooga, Tennessee, by a 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: man who had a criminal history with over sixty charges 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: for various crimes. So how do we get out of this? 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: What will, if anything, wake people up to what's going on? 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: And how did we get here? We'll talk to the 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: brilliant Heather McDonald's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute. She's 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: also the author of a bunch of fantastic books, including 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: The War on Cops and most recently, When Race Trump's 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Merit we'll get her take on all of this happening 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: in our country right now. We'll also touch on her 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: book a little bit as well, decrease of standards and 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: merit in the country. Where does that all head? All 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: of that and more with Heather McDonald stay with us. Well, Heather, 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on the show. It's always 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: an honor to have you on. I always learned so 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: much from you. You're one of my favorite guests. 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: Well, Lisa that I wish I could double what you 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: just said. I'm honored always to be with you. 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, Heather. We look at in just 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: one twenty four hour period this past week, a liberal 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: reporter was shot and killed in his home in Philadelphia, 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: a left wing activist stabbed death in Brooklyn in front 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: of his girlfriend, and then a Democrat congressman, Henry Quaylor 35 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: was carjacked a gunpoint in Washington. Are we living through 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: an episode of the Purge? 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly hope so. We also had several weeks 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: ago one of the most left wing defunders in Minneapolis 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: who was carjacked and immediately changed her tune and said, 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: how dare we allow these feral youth to remain loose 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: on the streets. So there certainly is a certain a 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: sense of justice here, but it's a little late, and 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: too little and too late, Lisa, It's going to take 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: a lot more than a few left wing democrats facing 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: reality to turn this thing around. We're going to need 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: an entire change of narrative about policing and the disparate 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: impact of policing. 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: So I was reading this article in the Daily Mail 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: about the friends of the Brooklyn activist who was murdered. 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: His name's Ryan Thorson Curson, and they said that he 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: would feel sorry for the teenage criminal who stabbed him 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: to death and would want his killing to be used 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: to further left wing policies in New York City. Pretty 54 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: remarkable after your friend was murdered, distilled somewhat excuse the behavior. 55 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the problem, you know, that's 56 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: sort of the mentality that led us to where we are. 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: They, on the other hand, I admire the steadfast adherence 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: to principles, however crazy those principles are. What's not admirable 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: is when people, all of a sudden we learned that 60 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: the only reason that they were backing the de incarceration, 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: de prosecution and depolicing is they never thought about the 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: actual experience of being a crime victim, and it took 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: themselves being the victim of crime to be able to 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: realize that what the condition that we're living in today 65 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: is completely unacceptable. It is a breakdown of the most 66 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: fundamental obligation of government, which is to protect persons and property. 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: So at least this guy is consistent. And I recall 68 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: there was also within the last half years so the 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: father of a crime victim who said the same thing. 70 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: I don't want this to be turned into any kind 71 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: of race issue or anybody to notice. You know that 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: there's a certain direction of interracial violence here, so you 73 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: don't want anybody to be the victim of crime. There's 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: no cause for Schadenfoyd to hear. Nevertheless, it is the 75 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: case that leftists are no longer being protected in their 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: little bubble from the reality of what happens when you 77 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: discredit the police and say we're not going to enforce 78 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: the law because it has a disparate impact on black criminals, 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: which is what is going on now. 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: But you know, every day we get these headlines. A 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago was a twenty six year old 82 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: tech executive whose body was found on the rooftop of 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: her Baltimore apartment. She was strangled to death and murdered. 84 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, just recently, a Tennessee businessman in Chattanoo, father III, 85 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: including a newborn, was shot on his way to his 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: twenty year old high school reunion. I mean, it seems 87 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: like every day we wake up to some incredibly sad 88 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: story about someone who's way too young losing their life. 89 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know what's interesting, Lisa, what's happening is that 90 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: the daily violent crime, the insane drive by shootings and 91 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: attacks that are predominantly concentrated in black areas, and it's 92 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: black on black crime, and America turns its eyes away 93 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: from those dozens of blacks who are killed every single 94 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: day in these barbaric drive by shootings. The press really 95 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: is racist. It doesn't care about black victims unless they've 96 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: been sailed by a cop or a white person. But 97 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: their average black victim is of no interest to the 98 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter activists or to the activist media. But now, 99 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: the crime, for the last three years, since the George 100 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: Floyd race rides, has been trickling into white communities. And 101 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: I've long said that nothing is going to change in 102 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: this current post George race riot crime spree until white 103 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: children start getting gunned down in drive by shootings, and 104 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: that will start happening as well, and maybe then people 105 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: will wake up and say this is completely unacceptable. 106 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Well, and that's what's so wild, as you just put it, 107 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: is the media doesn't care about black desks unless it's 108 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: at the hands of police officers, and they don't care 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: about crime unless it's a white person getting murdered. It seems, 110 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: I mean, what does that tell you about the media. 111 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: There are a bunch of posers, There are a bunch 112 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: of fakes. There are a bunch of Charlatans. They are 113 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: only interested not in reality, not in the truth, but 114 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: in prosecuting this preposterous lie that America is endemically racist, 115 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: that we are a white supremacist country. That is a 116 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: complete lie, Lisa. The reality today is black privileged, not 117 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: white privilege. There's not a mainstream institution that is not 118 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: tying itself into knots to try and hire and promote 119 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: as many blacks as possible. If you're a straight white male, 120 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: you're at the bottom of the totem pole for consideration, 121 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: you're going to have to be three times as good 122 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: as the favored victim classes to get into law school, 123 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: to get into medical school, to get a residency as 124 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: a medical student, to get hired by Google. We have 125 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: explicit racial discrimination going on, but it's not the typical 126 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 2: one and therefore it's okay. But we're living so many 127 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: lives it's quite incredible, and the press and the Democratic 128 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: Party are responsible. Joe Biden has this completely fantastical lie 129 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: that he goes around saying that black parents are right 130 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: to fear that their children can be killed by a 131 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: cop or alternatively by a white supremacist every time those 132 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: children go outside. That breeds racial hatred, It breeds the 133 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: type of violence that we're seeing. It breeds resistance to 134 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: officer authority, which leads to officer having necessarily and legally 135 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: to escalate their own use of force, which puts them 136 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: at greater risk of having to use a level of 137 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: force that will not look nice on a viral video. 138 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: Ben Biden is embracing a complete fraud. Here is the data, 139 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: Lisa on who's committing interracial violence, and the bottom line 140 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: is it's not whites. On blacks. Blacks commit eighty seven 141 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: percent of all interracial violence between blacks and whites, and 142 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: whites on blacks. A black person is thirty five times 143 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: more likely to commit an active violence against a white 144 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: person as a white person is to commit an act 145 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: of violence against a black person. And yet earlier this 146 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: year you had the mayor of Kansas City proclaiming that 147 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: merely existing while black was dangerous. Why because of white people. No, 148 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: the mayor is right, existing well black is dangerous. And 149 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: the reason is black criminals are killing blacks. Black juveniles 150 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: are shot at one hundred times the rate of white 151 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: juveniles in the post George Floyd era, one hundred times Lisa, 152 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: and who's shooting them other black juveniles? And that is 153 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: a reality that America turns its eyes away from because 154 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: it is terrified of inner city black dysfunction, terrified that 155 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: it's not going to go away, and instead, our elites 156 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: would rather blame themselves for phantom racism than say this 157 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: culture has to change. 158 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: Well, and it's just been this revolving door of crime. 159 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: I mean, the father who is murdered and Chattanooga was 160 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: murdered by a criminal who has over sixty charges for 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: various crimes. One of my colleagues, Lucas Tomlinson, was tweeting 162 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: about DC crime recently and tweeted that two hundred murders 163 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: in the nation's capital before October for the first time 164 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: in a quarter century. Over seventy percent of those cases 165 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: remain unsolved. The average murder suspect in DC has eleven 166 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: prior arrests. Obviously, a lot of these crimes, a lot 167 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: of these murders, are preventable if we actually put criminals 168 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: behind bars, of. 169 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: Course, and the fact of the matter is, Lisa, if 170 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: white conservatives stop caring about crime and crime victims, nobody's 171 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: going to care. The only people who talk about this 172 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: are white conservatives. It's you, you know, it's Fox News. 173 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: Occasionally it's some conservative talk show hosts. I was recently 174 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: at the hair salon in Newport Peach, California, and bemoaning 175 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: the fact that I was on my way back to 176 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: New York City, and the hairdresser there flamboyantly trans had 177 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: no idea that there was a crime problem in New York. 178 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: He'd never heard about it. It's not being covered in 179 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: the mainstream media period. But you know what conservatives can 180 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: talk I get a little sick of hearing people on 181 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: Fox News saying, Oh, we have to start enforcing the law. 182 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: We have to start enforcing the law. That's not going 183 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: to cut it, Lisa, It's not going to happen and 184 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: less conservatives swallow hard and face the truth for why 185 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: we're not enforcing the law, which is that if we do, 186 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: we will have a disparate impact on black criminals, and 187 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: conservatives have to be prepared to say, yes, constitutional color 188 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: blind law enforcement has a disparate impact on black criminals. 189 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: We will arrest disproportionately more blacks than whites for drive 190 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: by shootings, for shoplifting, for looting, for these mass flash mobs. 191 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: We've all seen those videos. We know what's going on, 192 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: and yet we can't talk about it. And the reason 193 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: it has a disparate impact is because the black crime 194 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: rate is oh, hi, that's not racism. Laws that have 195 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: a disparate impact on criminals are not racist laws. But 196 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: unless we're prepared to take on that argument, the left 197 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: is going to continue winning because they can continue saying 198 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: that any law enforcement that has a disparate impact on 199 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: blacks is racist law enforcement, and therefore progressive prosecutors are 200 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: going to continue putting off limits entire categories of crime, 201 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: whether it's resisting arrest or shoplifting or trespassed or mass 202 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: s looting. The reason we're not enforcing those laws is 203 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: not out of some generalized reluctance to enforce the law. 204 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: It's all about race. 205 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: We've certainly come a long way since the concept that, 206 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, justice should be blind. It's like, you know, 207 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: it's only seen through the lens of race, as you're 208 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: pointing out as as opposed to just you know, and 209 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: putting criminals behind bars, of course, saves wives of all 210 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: different races. So it's just it's wild to me that 211 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: we've reached this place where we've just lost any common 212 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: sense as a society, which is really what it comes 213 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: down to. 214 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: Lisa, here's the next step. You heard it here first, 215 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: we are now I predict that we are going to 216 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: move to the point where being a crime victim is 217 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: going to be a form of reparations and there will be, 218 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: as you say, a double standard of justice. The Alameda 219 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: County District Attorney, that's the Oakland, California, is the county seat. 220 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: She recently gave a training within the Victim Services Unit 221 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: on how to serve white crime victims. Now, the idea 222 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: was that her staff was at threat, was at risk 223 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: from dealing with white crime victims, that those crime victims 224 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 2: would try to harm district attorney's staff of color. These 225 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: are not the attorneys. These are people that are trying 226 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: to help victims that somehow white victims were toxic. And 227 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: the next step in this mentality is going to be that, well, 228 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: if you are a white crime victim, you don't have 229 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: the same claim on restitution or unequal justice, because, after all, 230 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: you are part of a system that is allegedly responsible 231 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: for creating criminals. That we are going to move in 232 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: that direction. 233 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: And the lie of that, of course is, you know, 234 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: they're not protecting victims of any race. You know, I 235 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: have one of my really good friends from Fox, you know, Giano. 236 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: He lost his little brother. It was eighteen. You know, 237 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: I went to the funeral in Chicago. You know, his 238 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: little brother's black, right, So it's like there and they 239 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: solve and solve the crime, and it's been over here. 240 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: The real, you know, lie in all of this is, 241 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, this leads us to a place where just 242 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: crimes aren't being solved period for anyone. 243 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely. And you know, the police will tell you 244 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: they could solve every inner city shooting if they had 245 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: cooperation from victims and witnesses. You know, the press will say, oh, 246 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: the police are so racist because they clear a higher 247 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: percentage of white on white homicides than black on black homicides. Therefore, 248 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: as usual, the fault is with the police. No excuse me. 249 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: The reason that a higher percentage of white on white 250 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: homicides are cleared is because witnesses and victims cooperate, and 251 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: many of them are domestic and a much higher percentage 252 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: of white homicides are domestic violence, whereas black homicides are 253 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: disproportionately these insane drive by shootings, and nobody will cooperate. 254 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: The no snitching effort ethic, you know that says if 255 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: you if you cooperate with the police, uh, you're you know, 256 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: you're you're cooperating with the man, and the police will 257 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: come to hospital emergency rooms in there the victim, you know, 258 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: on life support, and he's still not going to talk 259 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: about who shot him. So, yes, you know, it occurred 260 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: to me recently, Lisa. It's a very bizarre thing. If 261 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: you were to imagine a black Lives Matter movement before 262 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: we actually had one and you thought, okay, black Lives Matter, 263 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: you could imagine that they would make as their cause 264 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: black crime victims. Instead, the Black Lives Matter activists have 265 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: made as their cause black criminals, and in so doing, 266 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: they're basically thumbing their nose at black victims. It's a 267 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: very weird choice. These are our current civil rights martyrs. 268 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: They're not those heroic people that were sitting in at 269 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: lunch counters in the forties and fifties, wearing suits and 270 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: asking white society to treat them with dignity and respect, 271 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: calling white society out on its highest norms that it 272 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: violated day after day, hour after after hour in the 273 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: gratuitous cruelty to blacks. That was a heartbreaking period in 274 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: our history. But we're over that now and now you 275 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: have the black black civil rights heroes are all thugs. 276 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: It's a very tragic fall for civil rights discourse that 277 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: we're supposed we are erecting monuments to George Floyd, who 278 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: was an led an absolutely disgusting life of crime, abuse, violence, 279 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: drug abuse, and yet children are being taught to revere 280 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: George Floyd, and that's true of most Michael Brown is 281 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: still viewed as a martyr. He was a thug. You know, 282 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: he was stealing from an immigrant shop owner when he 283 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: was confronted in Ferguson, Missouri, in August of twenty fifteen, 284 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: rather twenty fourteen for having shoplifted George Floyd was passing 285 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: a counterfeit bill. He'd had a long criminal history. These 286 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: are the people we're now supposed to think are the 287 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: highest ideals of black America. It's very, very tragic turn, Lisa. 288 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break more with Heather MacDonald 289 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: on the other side. You know, we've reached this post truth, 290 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: post fact era. To your point about Michael Brown, I 291 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: mean you had Obama's own Department of Justice cleared officer 292 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: Owen Wilson in that situation said that Michael Brown was 293 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: the aggressor. Michael Brown was one in the wrong. The 294 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 1: hands up, shoot, don't shoot was a farce, you know. 295 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: Or you look at Jacob Blake, for instance, who went 296 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: to a woman's house to revictimize her pull the knife 297 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: on police officers. Yet Kamala harras Or Vice President, said 298 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: she was proud of him. The governor of Wisconsin put 299 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: out a statement blaming racism even though the cop was 300 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: cleared in that case. So it's like it doesn't even matter. 301 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: I mean, we're really in this you know, post truth, 302 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: post facts era, where you could put that all in 303 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: front of someone and those cry racism without a shred 304 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: of evidence, and in fact the person that their crying 305 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: racism is actually you know, the criminal, and you know, 306 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: a terrible person in this instance, in these instances great facts. 307 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: You know. 308 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: At this point, I no longer even try to think 309 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: of how much longer this is going to go on. 310 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: I'm stupefied on a daily basis, and one keeps on thinking, well, 311 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: certainly at some point reality is going to hit, like 312 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: how much longer are progressives going to put up with 313 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: the squalor of their cities. I'm a California and I 314 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: have watched California be destroyed. It is now Calcutta. It 315 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: is absolutely heartbreaking, and yet we have yet to see. 316 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to be an optimist, you 317 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: can say, okay, San Francisco. Throughout the left wing progressive 318 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: prosecutor Chase A. Boudin, they got rid of some of 319 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: the Board of Education representatives that were forcing lies down 320 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: their children's throats. So there's been little modest revolt, but 321 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: by and large, then you had Chicago recently electing this 322 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: black radical Brandon Johnson, who you keep saying that there 323 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: was the solution to our urban violence is not personal responsibility. 324 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: It's redistribution of wealth, and that the reason these kids 325 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: are out there shooting each other's because they don't have 326 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: enough opportunities, which is a complete lie. These kids all 327 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: have smartphones. Social media is the police's best friend, because 328 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: these gang bangers are always posting videos of themselves showing 329 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: off their guns and money and drugs and throwing gang signs. 330 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: Any kid that has a smartphone is not a child 331 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: deprived of opportunity. The kids that are engaged in these 332 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: vandalizing stampedes down Michigan Avenue at the Magnificent Mile are 333 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: not deprived. They are entire, They are privileged, and they 334 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: simply are out on a destruction path against a civilization 335 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: they have been taught to hate. Well. 336 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: And then to your point of when will people wake up, 337 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: and you look at states like Illinois and in cash 338 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: bail the first state to do so, which is obviously 339 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: just going to escalate the conversation we're having. And unfortunately 340 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: and everything that comes with that. You look at in 341 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: Philadelphia recently, seventy two people have been charged after several 342 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: stores were looted across the city. You look at d 343 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: C there is images i believe from a CVS in 344 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: the Columbia Heights neighborhood with empty shelves because the store 345 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: has been looted. What do you think would happen if 346 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: you know, these district attorneys, if these kids who are 347 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: committing these crimes were you know, purp walked and you know, 348 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: had the book thrown at them, do you think it 349 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: would stop eventually? 350 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: I think it would. I think that there's a certain 351 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: rationality to criminals there, there's a that can be exaggerated. 352 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: There was an economist too, thought it was all sort 353 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: of cost benefit analysis, and I think that's wrong. A 354 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: lot of especially the gangs shootings, are completely impulse driven. 355 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: These are kids that have no social self control and 356 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: can't no impulse control. But some of this you are 357 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: going to get. We learned this in the in the nineties. 358 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 2: As you will recall, Lisa, enforcement works. It's it's quite simple. 359 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: You actually have consequences and ideally, as one of the 360 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: great Renaissance crime theorist, Bakaria said, punishment should be swift, 361 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: sure and certain. It doesn't have to necessarily be long, long, long, 362 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: But you want to have a criminal that he will 363 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: be caught and he will be quickly adjudicated so that 364 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: you know, there's no sort of long lag period between 365 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: his active, destructive impulse and the consequences. And that's what 366 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: we started doing. At laws that had long laid fola, 367 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: whether it's marijuana dealing, public use, you know, the turnstile jumping, 368 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 2: fair evasion, we started enforcing those under Mayor Giuliani, who 369 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: is one of the creative urban reformists of a century, 370 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: and the crime started dropping like a stone. People had 371 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: gotten accustomed in high crime areas to believe that they 372 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: could break the law with impunity. And there was the 373 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: reason that there was some resistance and considerable resistance to 374 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 2: Juliani's crime reforms in the nineties was people said, wait 375 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: a minute, the bargain was we got to break the 376 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: law and nothing would happen. And Julian said that we've 377 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: torn up that bargain. You know, from now on, we're 378 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 2: actually going to enforce the law. It's the same with vagrancy. 379 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: This is a man made problem, and it is a 380 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: problem with a very easy and so you enforced the law. 381 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: The whole idea about building eight hundred thousand dollars per 382 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: unit private apartments for vagrants is absurd. It's financially impossible, 383 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: and they don't use them. They don't want to come 384 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: off the streets. What you have to say is you 385 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: are not allowed to colonize the streets. But we have 386 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: completely lost our faith in bourgeois values. It is, it 387 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: is completely unacceptable for the Mayor of New York City, 388 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: Eric Adams. He knows on a statistical basis that every 389 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: single day in New York hundreds of businesses will be 390 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 2: burgled or robbed, and yet he talks about other things 391 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: that should be the only consideration besides, of course, the borders. 392 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: But that's not you know, he in one sense that 393 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,239 Speaker 2: he has less control of that, But he does us 394 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: have control of whether we are expecting the heroic businessmen 395 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: of this city to live in a state of anarchy. 396 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 2: One crime is too many thousands on a daily basis, 397 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: as a statistical certainty, it is outrageous, and yet we 398 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: have somehow lost our confidence in bourgeois norms. To say 399 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: the government must protect property and individuals must respect the 400 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: property rights of others. 401 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned the the you know, this influx of illegal 402 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: immigrants in the country as well. I mean, I do 403 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: think that we'll end up seeing more crime as a 404 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: result of all of this. You know, God only knows 405 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: who'll be allowed in the country. I mean, we could 406 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: create entire new states out of the people we've you know, 407 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: have come in under Joe Biden, you know, and we've 408 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: seen new stories of legal immigrants having committed crimes after 409 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: coming in here recently under him. So I mean, how 410 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: do you think that will impact the cities like New 411 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: York in and also from the crime impact as well. 412 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: The open borders advocates that on you know, in the morning, 413 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: open borders advocates are saying, oh, America is the most 414 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 2: racist country in the world, and in the afternoon, the 415 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: open borders advocates like the acl who says, we have 416 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: an obligation to take in every third third world person 417 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: of color, which is a contradictory message because if this 418 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: is so oppressive, why are you a CLU And you know, 419 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: all the various immigration advocates wanting people to come here 420 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: to endure this racism, but They will always say that 421 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: first generation immigrants have a lower crime rate than the 422 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: American average, and by and large that's true, but that's 423 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: because the American average includes the black crime rate, which 424 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: is so astronomical. If you separate out groups, a simple 425 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: rule of thumb is generally this the ratio of white 426 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: to Hispanic to black crime offending is like one three seven, 427 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: and in certain areas it's much a broader thing. But 428 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: Hispanics have a higher crime rate than whites, but a 429 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: lower crime rate than black. So their effect on any 430 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: given community depends on whether they're displacing whites or displacing blacks. 431 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: When his span X moved into South central Los Angeles 432 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: in the eighties and nineties, the crime rate dropped because 433 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: they were displacing blacks, But when they move into white neighborhoods, 434 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: the crime rate goes up. The crime rate definitely goes 435 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: up between the first and second generation of Hispanic immigrants 436 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: because many of the second and third generation of illegal 437 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: aliens and some legal ones are assimilating into the underclass 438 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: culture rather than upwardly mobile. So you know there will 439 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: be with any group, there's going to be a certain 440 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: proportion of criminals and as I say, it's just a 441 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: question of what you're comparing it to. You know, there 442 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 2: is at some point, you know, we're going to have 443 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 2: a tipping point with the corruption culture south of the 444 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: border coming here, and you see that in some of 445 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: the small Los Angeles suburbs. You know, there were massive 446 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: corruption scandals in the I think the nineteen nineties at 447 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: Bell and Maywood and other small small cities in the 448 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: La Basin that was you know, heavily Hispanic. And whether 449 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: we start getting the really really bad cartel violence here, 450 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. But you know, it's a mixed bag. 451 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: And as you say, it all depends on what you're 452 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: comparing it to. But generally, I mean, the idea of 453 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: open borders is absurd. We are losing any common culture. 454 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: Any society has the right to say we want to 455 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: hold onto our culture. We don't want to change. Maybe 456 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: we want to change demographically, maybe we don't. And there 457 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: is nothing wrong with saying we do not want to 458 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: have radical demographic change. We are not assimilating the immigrants 459 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: that we're taking in. We need a pause, we need 460 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: a halt. Uh And and that is another thing that 461 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: we are simply not allowed to say, in our culture today. 462 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: I look at it as the individuals who've already crossed 463 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: the border, already starting at a place of criminality because 464 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: they've broken our laws and coming. You know, so I 465 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: would already view them as criminals. And so that would 466 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: be my reluctance and letting people in who obviously have 467 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: no regard or respect for your laws, you know, as 468 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: a country. And so you know that in and of itself 469 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: for me is enough to grounds for you know, deportation 470 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: and closing the border and wanting people who you know, 471 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: wanting people who are willing to wait in line and 472 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: do it the right way. You know, those are the 473 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: people I want in my country. But you know, and 474 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: then to your point, you know, we're not even a 475 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: country if we don't have borders, which we don't anymore. 476 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: So maybe we're not a country, you know, maybeybe that's 477 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: maybe that's where this is all heading. It's all you know, 478 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: chaos and lawlessness. 479 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: We're not. I mean, I was coming today from La 480 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: Guardia Airport in New York and just looking and experiencing 481 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: the airport, looking at what's on the on the streets. 482 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 2: I mean, things were not held together, you know, the 483 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: the open borders conservatives always had over a proposition nation, uh, 484 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: and that's all you need. And I think that's showing 485 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: as more and more naive, and as people like Mark 486 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: Grecorian at the Center for Immigration Studies will say, well, 487 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: maybe that's a good idea, but we have lost the 488 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 2: will to insist on assimilation. And given that, you know, 489 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: you cannot have a combination of open borders and any 490 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: any loss of faith in the demands of assimilation. And 491 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: so no, we are just right now a conjurie of 492 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: of different groups that share no common culture, and that 493 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: is not a nation. And you know, the The New 494 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: York Times hates some of the East European leaders like 495 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: Victor Orbon in Hungary and the head of Poland, who 496 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: are saying, excuse me, we have a right to determine 497 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: the character of our nation. That is not racist, it's 498 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: not evil. It is the pregrogative of any country. And 499 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: here it's the same issue. We have lost faith in 500 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: certain fundamental bourgeois values that were self evident to the 501 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: country up until maybe fifty sixty years ago, and now 502 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: there have been completely discredited. And we see what's happening. 503 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 2: You have government who sees its mission as catering to 504 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: the dysfunctional, the antisocial, and those of us who are 505 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: playing by the rules, who are abiding by the rules, 506 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: are viewed as simply ATMs for the big welfare state 507 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: to keep subsidizing lawlessness. 508 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break and then back to 509 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: all the chaos we really are in. This place is 510 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: a country of you know, chaos, confusion, uh, no order. 511 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: You know, nothing works anymore, nothing functions. You mentioned airports. 512 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, we were lamenting the fact that nothing works 513 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: anymore as a society before you know, we started recording, 514 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: which you know really speaks to your book when race 515 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: Trump's merit, I mean, we've arrived at this point where 516 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: just nothing functions anymore. We're really not a functioning society. 517 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: No, And you know, the errors are going to are 518 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: going to mount. You're going to see more engineering errors, 519 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: You're going to see more medical errors, You're going to 520 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: see more you know, piloting errors. Because we've decided, and 521 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: this is most extraordinary in the in the sciences and 522 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: medical professions that sex and race trump merit as as 523 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: qualifications to become a doctor, a medical student, an engineer, 524 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: to receive a federal grant for scientific research. It's absolutely stunning. 525 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: The gatekeepers of these professions are cowards, they're traders. They're 526 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: betraying their professions by declaring math racist or science racist. 527 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,239 Speaker 2: We're seeing the Nobels come out. I can tell you 528 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: the pressure on that Nobel committee gets worse and worse 529 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: every year to select winners on the basis of At 530 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: this point, their biggest hope is sex, because the race 531 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 2: disparities are so great. But a physicists said to me, 532 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: thinks that it's likely that a female physicist winner for 533 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: the Nobels was chosen because of her sex, and so 534 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: when that happens, we are absolutely playing with fire. Standards matter. 535 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: A standard that has a disparate impact on the basis 536 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: of race or sex, if it's applied objectively, neutraally, in 537 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: a colorblind manner, it's not a racist or sexist standard. 538 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 2: There are group differences, some of them maybe we'll close, 539 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: some of them, may not. But the vault is not 540 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: with the standards. But we keep saying if a standard 541 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 2: has a disparate impact, we'll tear down the standard. We're 542 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: going to get rid of a teacher licensing exam. You know, 543 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: we're going to have new York payout a billion dollars 544 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: in damages to blacks who tried to pass this teacher's 545 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: licensing exam and couldn't. The reason they couldn't is not 546 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: because it was a racist exam. The reason was that 547 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: their academic skills were so low that they couldn't even 548 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: pass the already abysmally low teacher licensing exam that said, okay, 549 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: you have to have some minimal level of competence to 550 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 2: be in the in the classroom, and we are not 551 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: willing to defend those standards. We'll say, okay, must have 552 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: been a racist standard. We'll throw them out. Here's a 553 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: million dollars in damages. We're doing the same with policing exams, 554 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: with firefighter exams. We're getting rid of gifted and talented programs, 555 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: not because those are racist programs. There are programs designed 556 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: to make sure that America is backing its top math 557 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 2: talent at a young age and catapulting those young math 558 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: gifted students into the stratosphere of their own capacities. We're 559 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: saying we are quashing gifted and talented programs because there 560 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 2: is not thirteen percent black students there. The reason there's 561 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 2: not thirteen percent Black students in gifted and talented programs 562 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 2: is because right now we have an academic skills gap. 563 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: But we've decided we'd rather prevent our most talented math 564 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 2: students from maximizing their potential than have any kind of 565 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: racial disparities in our top flight science programs. 566 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to get your take on the 567 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: Supreme Court's recent decision on affirmative action. You know how 568 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: much has changed since then? You know what impact does 569 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: it have? Does it have an impact? 570 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 2: Well, you do have more lawsuits being brought, and you've 571 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: and the guy that brought the lawsuit that went to 572 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court against Harvard and the University of North Carolina, 573 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: he's been bringing complaints against some law firms that had 574 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: racially exclusive fellowship programs, meaning, of course, because of black privilege, 575 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 2: nobody was excluding blacks, they're excluding whites. And I have 576 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: to admit Lisa to being surprised by this because this 577 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 2: has been going on for a long time. I mean, 578 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 2: it's no news, and he actually has been getting people 579 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 2: to back down. As an inveterate pessimist is somebody who's 580 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: unwilling to change your stripes very easily. It's going to 581 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: be a very long haul. I'm not like breaking out 582 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: the champagne quite yet. The schools, the universities have already 583 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 2: announced that they are basically going to take advantage of 584 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: the massive loophole. In the majority opinion by Supreme Court 585 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 2: John Roberts, it said, well, of course you can continue 586 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 2: considering race as an aspect of disadvantage in the college essay. 587 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: So that's the colleges have already been doing that, and 588 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: that's going to just be an even larger cottage industry 589 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 2: of how to write your victimhood into your college essay. 590 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: As Again, it's been going on already, but it's going 591 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: to get more so. So I don't know, it's going 592 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: to be a long fight. And I think conservatives are 593 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 2: still too tongue tied when it comes to defending merit 594 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: and saying the problem in our culture is not meritocratic standards. 595 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 2: The problem is the crime gap, in the academic skills gap, 596 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 2: and we're not going to accept the race hustle any longer. 597 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: And of course there's plenty of black leaders, well not plenty, 598 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 2: but there are some heroic black leaders who are speaking 599 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 2: up on behalf of standards on behalf of the two 600 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 2: parent family who are taking responsibility for their own culture. 601 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: But far too many people are willing to take advantage 602 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: of the fact that we now treat being black as 603 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: a qualification in itself. You know, it's an accomplishment. Well, 604 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: it's the same with being female. I don't view being 605 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: female as an accomplishment. It's the most boring trait. I'm 606 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 2: bored with myself if I think of myself as, Oh, 607 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 2: I'm so female, who cares? It's not how my identity 608 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 2: is based. And I didn't do anything to achieve that. 609 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: But right now, if you're female, or if you're black, 610 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 2: that is an automatic job qualification. And you have a 611 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 2: lot of blacks in the bureaucracy whose specialization is being 612 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: black and telling white people how awful they are. That's 613 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: an entire job category. Now, you know the diversity trainers, 614 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: the diversity consultants, the anti white privileges, many of whom, 615 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: of course, are white females. And they're hucksters too, their scammers, 616 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 2: their frauds, their charlatans. But the real problem lies in 617 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 2: the audience. We've got it. We can put these people 618 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: out of business. They should get no more contracts we 619 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: should say nope, sorry, we're not buying this discourse any longer. 620 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 2: We were a racist nation, we were white supremacists, We 621 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: were of an apartheid nation. We copped to those sins, 622 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 2: but they were not worse than the sins of any 623 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 2: other civilization. In fact, we were far better than any 624 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: other civilization. No other civilization tried to end the slave trade. 625 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 2: Britain had to occupy Legos in the nineteenth century, put 626 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 2: naval blockades up because because the rulers in Nigeria Dahomy 627 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 2: were so insistent on maintaining the slave trade. And Britains 628 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 2: is the one that was trying to shut it down. 629 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 2: The West was the one that was trying to spread 630 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 2: human rights, and and everybody across the globe should be 631 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: in our debt. Explicitly they are implicitly, but they should 632 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: acknowledge it. 633 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: You know, if you do defend yourself, that becomes a crime. 634 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: You look what they were doing to Daniel Penny, or 635 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: what they did to Jose Alba, who you know, fortunately 636 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: was able to you know, escape, he survived that one. 637 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: But Daniel Penny, you know, might spend the rest of 638 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: his life behind bars. It looks like, why do you 639 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: think they're criminalizing the right to self defense. 640 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 2: I guess because it shows up the failures of the 641 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 2: law enforcement system and they want a monopoly on the 642 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 2: use of force, which they're not using, and so vigilantism. 643 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say that was going on in the 644 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 2: Daniel Penny case at all. And you know, jose Album's 645 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 2: obviously non white, but but you know, it's a way 646 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 2: to bring crime charges against whites who are disproportionately not 647 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: charged in the criminal justice system. So I think it's 648 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 2: just terrifying to think of Daniel Penny's fate, you know, 649 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 2: as a as a good looking, you know, sort of 650 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 2: classically Caucasian marine. He's the very symbol of positive masculinity. 651 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 2: It's really grim for him. You know, this is a 652 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 2: way to just shut down male chivalry. So so I 653 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 2: don't know, I think there may be kind of a 654 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 2: vengeance element there. And frankly, you can't go too wrong 655 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 2: in our culture today by assuming that there's some race 656 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 2: angle involved. What do you think, Lisa, What I mean 657 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 2: mostly to ask a question you sort of have a 658 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 2: hint of the answer. What is your explanation for that? 659 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 2: Because it's a very interesting question. 660 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: They want this chaos, you know, they want people to 661 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 1: live in fear. They want to create this scenario where, 662 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, sort of the you know, the criminals are 663 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: running the show right where we all live in fear. 664 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: Where so I think it's with intention to sort of 665 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: create a fear element so people don't step in and 666 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: don't protect others. I fully believe that we've arrived at 667 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: this moment with Democrats who the goal is just to 668 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: really destroy the country, you know, destroy anyone who wants 669 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: law in order to destroy. You know, we're really arrived 670 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: at sort of this. You know, like if you believe 671 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: in God, like good versus evil, right like, I think 672 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: it's just evil's kind of overtaken our country and our 673 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 1: politicians and the way we think, and you know, ultimately 674 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 1: it's kind of led to the demise of everything. We've 675 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: reversed what is good and what is wrong and what 676 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: is evil. So we're living in this upside down society. 677 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 2: It is definitely upside down. The government has completely abdicated 678 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 2: its fundamental responsibility. I would just add to that. You know, 679 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 2: I may be obsessed, but I think the race issue 680 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 2: is a pervasive in our society. Day If there was 681 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 2: no racial disparities in incarceration. I don't think anybody would 682 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: be depolicing and deprosecuting people with say lock them up 683 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 2: and throw away the key. I think it's that Americans 684 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 2: are terrified that we do have racial disparities in the 685 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 2: prison population, in people that would be arrested under a neutral, 686 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: color blind policing system. And so that's that's a large 687 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 2: part of what's driving this. Take that element out, and 688 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 2: I think we would we would not have gone down 689 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 2: as the road that we have now that doesn't include 690 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 2: a lot of the vagrancy and the squalor in West 691 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 2: Coast cities are you know, people that were whites that 692 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 2: were destroyed by the sixties and the counterculture and the 693 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 2: just the continued glorification and accessibility of drugs. So there 694 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 2: is that too. But the underlying motivation for the failure 695 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 2: to enforce the law, I think is remains predominantly a 696 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 2: race one. 697 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: Where we're certainly living in a culture that they've created 698 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: that's fear driven. People are in fear of their lives, 699 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: people are despondent, you know, people are unhappy. It's just 700 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: really you know, they've done everything they can to sort 701 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: of destroy people's souls and what gives purpose in life 702 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: to individuals and gives people anchors and a society. So 703 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,479 Speaker 1: in all of this, as we end, what's it going 704 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: to take to wake people up? When are people going 705 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, this is enough. I want 706 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: to live in a common sense society with some order. 707 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 2: The more white crime victims there are, that's the only 708 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 2: thing that's going to change it. As long as whites 709 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 2: can be insulated from the consequences of their absolutely destructive ideology, 710 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to change. You know, we've 711 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 2: seen black children. When black children are gunned down and 712 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 2: drive by shootings, nobody gives a gram. But if white 713 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 2: kids were starting to be targeted in drive by shootings, 714 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 2: then you'd have a very rapid turnaround. And it's happening. 715 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's coming. It's coming. I mean the carjackings, 716 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 2: these these random assaults that you mentioned, you know, the stabbings, 717 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 2: it's coming that we have. We have released the most 718 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 2: savage instincts, the sadism in the human heart. You know, 719 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,240 Speaker 2: we've seen these videos. It's just amazingly so we've seen 720 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 2: the videos of these and I'm sorry, I'm gonna talk 721 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 2: say it because I have to counter the narrative. The 722 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 2: narrative is white supremacy is stomping on elderly Asians in 723 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 2: San Francisco. You know, when whenever you hear a protest 724 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 2: of stop AA P I Hate, they're always talking about whites. 725 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 2: We've seen the videos. It's black kids that are that 726 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 2: are beating up on these frail elderly Asians. Uh, And 727 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,879 Speaker 2: nobody wants to look at that or talk about it. 728 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 2: But that's what's going on. And we cannot allow the 729 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 2: racism charge to say we're not going to prosecute these criminals. 730 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 2: It's just it's absolutely appalling. But but we're willing to 731 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 2: turn the other cheek because we've been badgered into into 732 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 2: pretending that what's going on is not going on. 733 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 1: But that gets to kind of the you know, for 734 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: the but not for me mentality of you know, it's 735 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: fine for people to get gunned down in Chicago, but 736 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: not you know, not other people are not congressmen and 737 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: in DC to be you know, you know, carjacked by 738 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: gunpoint or you know, we saw this during COVID when 739 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: reporters and leftists were cheering on lockdowns, and then now 740 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: that it's resulted in layoffs for people in the media. 741 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, no, this is you know, it's like, no, 742 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: these people push policies that they're insulated from and uh, 743 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, they don't care unless it reaches their doorstep, 744 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's concerning which is 745 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: which is sort of a sad reflection of a lot 746 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: of these people. But Heather McDonald always a pleasure. Aways 747 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: learn so much from you. You're brilliant. Appreciate you taking 748 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: the time and everyone go check out when Race Trump's merit. 749 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Heather, Well, thank you. 750 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 2: For your leadership. Encouraged Lisa. It's always a pleasure being 751 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 2: with you. Thank you. 752 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: That was Heather McDonald. She's brilliant. Always learn so much 753 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: from her. Appreciate her taking the time to join the show. 754 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys home for listening. I want to thank 755 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: John Cassio, my producer, for putting the show together every 756 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week 757 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: until next time.