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<v Speaker 1>UBS Arena in Elmont, New York, and we've got two

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<v Speaker 1>great guests with us right now. I want to bring

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<v Speaker 1>a majority owner of the New York Islanders. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about John Laedecki, also with us as a CEO and

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<v Speaker 1>co founder of Oakview Group. Tim lie Wacky. That's good, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you it took me twelve years to do

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<v Speaker 1>it myself. I'm working on it. I'm working on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um you guys, you know together created this incredible arena.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I want to ask you John let

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<v Speaker 1>me kick it off with you. It's been a while

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<v Speaker 1>since you've had a home place to play. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>fans have been on quite a journey, and as Tim

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<v Speaker 1>has said, and my partner, Scott Malcolm, the co owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the New York Ounders, has said, the fans deserve

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<v Speaker 1>a new home. The milk carton sell by date on

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<v Speaker 1>the Nasau Coliseum was probably so it's been a long journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Your picture wasn't on the side of that little but

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<v Speaker 1>it really is quite quite a momentous occasion for our fans.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the best fans in the National Hockey League and

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve a new venue, and they're getting state of

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<v Speaker 1>the art, beyond state of the art because of Tim

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<v Speaker 1>and Oakview Group in Sterling Project Development led by Jeff Wilpon.

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<v Speaker 1>What they've done here is magnificent. Thank you, Tim Outhouse

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<v Speaker 1>to the penthouse. John to that point, Tim, what what

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<v Speaker 1>is special about this arena? So one, it's New York

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<v Speaker 1>and so when we started our company, we were fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>enough to partner with John and Scott on building this.

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<v Speaker 1>But for us to be a world class company, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be in New York. New York is a

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<v Speaker 1>very competitive marketplace. It has the world's most famous arena,

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Square Garden. So you gotta go compete, and you

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<v Speaker 1>you're competing in the biggest city in the world. You're

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<v Speaker 1>competing in a city that ultimately has these wonderful venues

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<v Speaker 1>that are already doing quite well. So we had to

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<v Speaker 1>go carve out our niche. We had to go find

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<v Speaker 1>an identity and a culture for ubs arena that made

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<v Speaker 1>us unique. And we very very fortunate that right off

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<v Speaker 1>the bat we get Harry Styles and we break all

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<v Speaker 1>records with Ticketmaster for pre registration. So clearly it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>work for the islander fans. They've they've had thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>worth of the desert before they finally found this, and

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<v Speaker 1>now we're gonna work for music, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in great shape with music because I think what

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<v Speaker 1>people forget. Seven million people live closer to this arena

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<v Speaker 1>than any other arena in the metro area. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>big it's a big island, and we have sand but

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the peach by the way, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>that is? What is that? So as you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>built the Climate Pledge Arena in Seattle, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>home of the cracket. So I brought him out here

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<v Speaker 1>with me for open weekend and he's hungry. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere back there. You don't want to see him run.

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<v Speaker 1>When you guys are putting this together, what were the

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<v Speaker 1>conversations John, What did you guys? What did you want

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<v Speaker 1>to have as a home place for your team? On budget,

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<v Speaker 1>on time was the most important thing for Sling And

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<v Speaker 1>Tim is really a visionary right. Tim has built more

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<v Speaker 1>arenas and ran more arenas than any human being alive today.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a question longevity, He's just built great businesses. Oakview

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<v Speaker 1>Group was started the next week. We met Tim in

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel room in Montreal and he gave us the

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<v Speaker 1>vision of what an arena should look like. And now

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's got twenty five or eight in development.

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<v Speaker 1>But his vision, combined with Scott's real estate background, created

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<v Speaker 1>this fantastic place. What we do think about like the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic and stuff like did that impact You're thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>how because there's a lot of touch lists right ease

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<v Speaker 1>and people just going in and doing their things. So

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<v Speaker 1>two things, One could you imagine spending a billion privately

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<v Speaker 1>on and endeavor like this? And then all of the

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<v Speaker 1>studd is privately funded. It is privately funded. That taxpayers

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<v Speaker 1>money I want to be used for education and safety

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<v Speaker 1>and transportation. So we we did. We did this the

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<v Speaker 1>right way. But in the middle of that commitment, suddenly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I used to tell people, they don't teach

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<v Speaker 1>this in school, so you got to go and figure

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<v Speaker 1>this out on the fly. I think there were We

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<v Speaker 1>made changes to the design of the building because of

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID. So you'll see in the building we have

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<v Speaker 1>a three dred and sixty degree air circulation system. We

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<v Speaker 1>have MERV thirteen filterization system. That's what you see in hospitals.

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<v Speaker 1>We trapped the bad guys, so we have more airflow

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<v Speaker 1>coming in and out of this building. I'm not cussing here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really the name of the company. We have four

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<v Speaker 1>fans called Big Gas Fans in the roof. Everyone always

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<v Speaker 1>looks there's no way that company is called Big Gas Fans,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I swear to God. A trademark had to

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<v Speaker 1>be an interesting process where the government. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so great for us is that that's now in as

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<v Speaker 1>original equipment. Every other arena in the country to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with COVID and COVID related situations has to rest profits.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, thanks to Tim's vision, we spent the extra

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<v Speaker 1>money up front to make sure we had the best

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<v Speaker 1>air filtration systems in the world. Tim, what's your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>part of the arena? Uh, these acoustical panels. You you

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<v Speaker 1>so see the wood right there, go look at it

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<v Speaker 1>real tight, and when you get up close you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>they have holes in it. So we trapped the base

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<v Speaker 1>and the rever from bands and so it makes the

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<v Speaker 1>building acoustically perfect. So when you come here for a concert,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be spectacular, because that's an issue with some places,

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<v Speaker 1>some large venues where you go see a concert. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they fit a lot of people, but it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>good now. And so when you think about the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money people are spending on that night out, it's

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate if they sit there and hear the concert twice.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you want is you want a perfect bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>So my partner in our company's earning as off. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the largest manager in the music business. So when when

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<v Speaker 1>you have Don Henley as your engineering critique on your acoustics,

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<v Speaker 1>you better make sure your acoustics are perfect because Don's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty demanding. So, Jim, that's what you really did that

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<v Speaker 1>no other arena had ever done before. He went to

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<v Speaker 1>all the rock acts, he went to all the rock managers,

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<v Speaker 1>He went to the musicians and said, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>want the building, and they all said, geez, no one's

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<v Speaker 1>ever asked us when they asked for free rent first.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bottom line is you've got input that very

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<v Speaker 1>few people have gotten from arenas, and that's why the

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<v Speaker 1>acoustics are so great here. So interestingly enough, this building

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<v Speaker 1>as a loading dock that's the largest on the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>We could do sixteen semitrucks at the same time, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, at the Garden, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>pull up a ramp and it's one truck at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>At Barkley's, you go into an elevator and the turntable

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<v Speaker 1>turns the truck around. Here we do sixteen trucks at

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<v Speaker 1>one time, eight that could be unloading. So between the acoustics,

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<v Speaker 1>the largest lower bowl, we have a locker room facility

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<v Speaker 1>that is only for music artists. So that's the first

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<v Speaker 1>one of those that's ever been built on the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>So when an artist comes in here, they get in

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<v Speaker 1>and produce quicker, cheaper. They got their own compound. The

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<v Speaker 1>compound is beautiful and the acoustics hopefully will be great. Hey, Tim, John,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna come back in just a moment. Hold that thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you got one. They're done. You listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week, Carol Massr, Tim Stenevik. We're coming back

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment. This is Bloomberg Business Week with

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<v Speaker 1>Carol Masser and Bloomberg Quick Takes. Tim Stinovic from Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get back to you. Uh, we've got John Ladeckie

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<v Speaker 1>of course with us and Tim lie wacky. I keep

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<v Speaker 1>shooting that. I just realized your partner's name is more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult than mine. I'm glad to meet another Tim. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just two Tims here. There's a third Tim

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<v Speaker 1>over there. Last name. Come on, man, come to the

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<v Speaker 1>dark side, John Lindecki. I think that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a great law firm. Lindeck And so for me, it's Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so Friday. So John, what can we expect

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<v Speaker 1>for the team this year? You guys are doing well

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<v Speaker 1>the fancy mappy Oh well, we had a great run

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<v Speaker 1>last year. We had a run to the final four.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years in a row and um. Every year presents

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<v Speaker 1>new challenges. Thirteen games to open the season on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>The objective was trying to be around five hundred. The

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<v Speaker 1>team came through with that and now we get the

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<v Speaker 1>home cooking going. So four games in a row at

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<v Speaker 1>home against great competition and the place will be rocking tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you guys are business guys. Amazing to see

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<v Speaker 1>tickets for an Islanders game going for twelve hundred, fift

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars opening night, and I think that's we're so

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<v Speaker 1>sold out. The fans who this building really represents, they

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<v Speaker 1>sold the building out. They came and took all those

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<v Speaker 1>tickets for the entire season, So we're sold out. John,

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the fan experience here and

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<v Speaker 1>really how you guys thought about that when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to designing the home for the Islanders. Yeah, it really

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<v Speaker 1>is all about the fans. Is all about inclusion. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about being able to go to the Heineken bar and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need a haul pass to do it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to play with a crack and you can

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<v Speaker 1>play with a cracking and hearing that gentlemen, Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>and at the same time, for those who want to

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<v Speaker 1>do business, celebrate a special occasion. We have everything from

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<v Speaker 1>special clubs to a speakeasy that will be opening later,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so you you feel like when you're here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an experience. It's about gatherings. You can see how

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<v Speaker 1>people could just gather in different tables Disneyland for adults. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. It really does feel that way,

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<v Speaker 1>very different from other arenas totally. So we have two

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<v Speaker 1>patios here. So one of them is the Heineken Bar,

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<v Speaker 1>so it looks out at the racetrack and the paddocks

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<v Speaker 1>across the way at at Belmont Park, And if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, the others can't do it because they

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<v Speaker 1>were designed around railroad stations and train tracks. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant heres. We had four forty acres to build a

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<v Speaker 1>campus out and we weren't restricted and didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>compromise on the fan experience because we got to design

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<v Speaker 1>the building perfectly because we weren't trying to squeeze everything in.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you know what the fans wanted at this point?

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<v Speaker 1>And talked to four fans a night at every home.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you play with them? I don't, I don't, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't sit in the owner's boxes. I have nothing against

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<v Speaker 1>owners in the owner's box, but if you're building a

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<v Speaker 1>new building, you have got to hear what the fan

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<v Speaker 1>who's having the experience wants. And Islander fans are have

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<v Speaker 1>a great reputation for speaking their mind. How long Island

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<v Speaker 1>is right, everybody's got an opinion. So I got hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of opinions each night, wrote them down, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>went to all thirty NHL arenas, trying to borrow the

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<v Speaker 1>best of breed. And then we have the maestro here,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Lawick. You put it all together in a mixer

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<v Speaker 1>and outcomes this great arena. So give me an example

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<v Speaker 1>of of something that you learned from one of those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that we see here. You know what, twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes at the Nasau Coliseum to use the bathroom unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>More bathrooms than any arena in North America, I think

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<v Speaker 1>any building maybe in North America. I noticed as I

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<v Speaker 1>walked around there's like bathrooms everywhere well, and more women's

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<v Speaker 1>bathrooms than any arena, and they're beautiful. But the bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the women's bathrooms here are the most

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful bathrooms in the arena businesses. Now, let's see what

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<v Speaker 1>happens after Metallica and see if we can still preserve them,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're hopeful. Um and then and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>minutes five minutes for a cold, disgusting hot dog. And

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<v Speaker 1>now we have everything from grabb and go, which is

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<v Speaker 1>great because the fans want to get their food and

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<v Speaker 1>go back to more Hote cuisine. But the most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing is every bar can see the ice or the

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<v Speaker 1>concert right. So important because how many times have I

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<v Speaker 1>missed a goal trying to get a beer for a

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<v Speaker 1>buddy when I was a fan. It's so irritating. So

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<v Speaker 1>now you can actually turn around see the play. You

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<v Speaker 1>also have it on TV screens everywhere, more TV screens,

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<v Speaker 1>I think than in the arena as well. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>can also find someone to get you a beer at

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<v Speaker 1>one in these games you might not have. You get

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<v Speaker 1>your own beers these days. Well hopefully hopefully the fans

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<v Speaker 1>are happy. But I'll tell you, I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>Tim says, which is John, it doesn't matter. You could

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<v Speaker 1>have the taj Mahal. Someone is going to find something

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<v Speaker 1>and we just have to get through the first few weeks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>did I hear that you guys are gonna be carbon neutral.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, so I feel very very strongly were carbon

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<v Speaker 1>neutral at Climate Pledge Arena, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>credit goes to Jeff Bezos and Amazon. He really helped

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<v Speaker 1>us figure that out. We are actually now in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of creating a new company called Goal,

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<v Speaker 1>and Goal is going to go help every building figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how they could be more sustainable, and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to come along and every year great them and

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<v Speaker 1>give them a certification process. We this industry. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go solve the problem of global warming, but

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<v Speaker 1>we could inspire, and that's what music and sports have

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<v Speaker 1>always done. There is no more important issue than that one.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we on the East Coast could figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way to build an arena in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>go carbon neutral, that's going to have a huge impact

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<v Speaker 1>on fixing this. That's crucial because I think West Coast

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<v Speaker 1>is easy. People are kind of people don't understand that

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost impossible to be carbon neutral on the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it? Why is it going to take two

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<v Speaker 1>years from now to do that though? Why couldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>do do that from the ground. So actually I was

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<v Speaker 1>just talking to the governor about this, so one, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to know where our energy comes from. So the

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<v Speaker 1>electricity we bring into the building has to be metered

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's renewable energy, solar, our wind in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>and unless the power company could ultimately tell us where

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming from, then we may be getting bad electricity

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<v Speaker 1>coal for example. So what what we're working now with

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<v Speaker 1>the state on is how we ultimately can qualify and

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<v Speaker 1>quantify sustainable energy and power that we bring in here.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta get rid of your gas, so we we

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<v Speaker 1>have gas in this building. We have no gas in

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<v Speaker 1>the building. A climate pledge arena. We gotta figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way to go use that. You got to recycle

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<v Speaker 1>your food every night and get it back to the

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<v Speaker 1>food banks, so that you you got to go buy

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<v Speaker 1>of of everything you're going to see in this arena

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<v Speaker 1>that we serve is made in the region, because then

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<v Speaker 1>we limit transportation and then eventually for the people that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are driving here, we're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>get carbon credits ultimately to deal with the emissions of

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<v Speaker 1>all of the cars the park here. We'll have more

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<v Speaker 1>power charging stations here. Yeah, it's it's actually quite remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to have you could take the fleets

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<v Speaker 1>of electric vehicles at Lagardy and JFK overnight. They'll come

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<v Speaker 1>here and they'll charge up overnight, working with a company

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<v Speaker 1>called Xcel Fleet Simbol XL Littenberg Radio. I always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Anchor on vacation. I'll come in and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. Right, work for whatever the minimum. I'm out

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<v Speaker 1>next week. So okay, we have an empty chair. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to go. Absolutely, Timmy, you did a deal

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<v Speaker 1>with Spectrum. We just want to squeeze that in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just closed the deal this morning with Spectro. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we're in the food and beverage business and we

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<v Speaker 1>have over three hundred facilities to join the OVG family.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're really proud of that partnership. We're really excited

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<v Speaker 1>to grow. And now we're the second largest facility management

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<v Speaker 1>company in the world. And he started out one guy

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<v Speaker 1>and now his company is worth literally billions and billions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. It's unbelievable what he's accomplished in the last

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<v Speaker 1>six years. What's the next thing you two do together

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<v Speaker 1>when go have a beer? Go Ahindun, let's go right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been staring at the whole interview check our subs. Hap. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right. Okay, that was too shameless plugs. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do as many shameless plugs and you can

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<v Speaker 1>come back anytime. I wish you could thank you. Happy

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<v Speaker 1>holidays arena. We're really proud of Okas's good luck with this,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck with the arena. We really appreciate it. Tim

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<v Speaker 1>l Wicky and of course John Ladecki here at the

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<v Speaker 1>UBS Arena in Elmont, New York. Folks. Coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna continue to track the markets for you on

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<v Speaker 1>this Friday, do a little bit of talk about inflation

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<v Speaker 1>and the Fed. You ready for that Harry Style show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually yeah, I am so ready for my two

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<v Speaker 1>old friars. Now for Harry Styles. All Right, you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Bloomberg Business Week, and this is Bloomberg Radio. You're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Quick Takes. Tim Stinovin on Bloomberg Radio. Yes, indeed, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>we are live at UBS Arena in Elmont, New York.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking sports, we're watching the markets, and here on

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<v Speaker 1>site with us is Tom Narratell. He's Ubs co president

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<v Speaker 1>of Global Wealth Management. It's been quite a day. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you really super exciting day? It is excited from all

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<v Speaker 1>the activity. You're running around a lot. They got you

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<v Speaker 1>got you like working a double today. I think that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's but you've you've got to have fun doing

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<v Speaker 1>this though. This is great. It's hard not to walking

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<v Speaker 1>around here. Um, what does it mean for ubs? You

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<v Speaker 1>guys have naming rights for the next twenty years a

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<v Speaker 1>really incredible you know, top notch facility, entertainment, sports, so

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<v Speaker 1>much is going to be going on. What does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean for the for the firm? So's it's really big

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<v Speaker 1>for us because first, I mean, New York's the financial,

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<v Speaker 1>sports and entertainment capital of the world. We've got ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand employees in the New York metropolitan area. We have

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<v Speaker 1>over five thousand clients. So if you're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a deal like this, there's no place you're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>other than New York. It's just hard to find them.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was really just a unique opportunity to work

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<v Speaker 1>with the Islanders and oak View Group, and we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be any happier about how it's turned out. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>analysis that goes into making it worth it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a significant investment, and I gotta ask, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the calculation that you do so you know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually making an impact and making people people think about

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<v Speaker 1>UBS in a certain way. So, I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of marketing research that goes into it, taking a

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<v Speaker 1>look at your your brand familiarity and how's that ringing

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<v Speaker 1>with your key segments. But the key on this one

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<v Speaker 1>really is, you know, how do you feel you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get the extensions of your brand in that

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<v Speaker 1>And that depends a lot on your partners. And I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you what I see and the way our

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<v Speaker 1>partners have spoken about it from the very beginning when

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<v Speaker 1>they talk about UBS Arena, they're always adding in something

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<v Speaker 1>about our value proposition to our clients. And so having

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<v Speaker 1>the right kind of partners that know one to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about your brand extension, that's a critical part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The financial calculations on it are you know, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do the classic what's the value of an impression? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the value of that logo? Every single time the

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<v Speaker 1>camera hits it when ESPN is showing the clips? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And from that standpoint, you know you can get to

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<v Speaker 1>a place where you can get you can feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But at the end of the day, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>for us, another big part of it was social media,

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<v Speaker 1>which we think, you know, as we talked to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Islanders, talked to ov G, it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of how do you plan on using social media because

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<v Speaker 1>that increasingly is something that's that's the way things are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get reflected. Uh. And we've been happy even just

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<v Speaker 1>in the just in the short period of time that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been working on the arena and we've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>huge amount of awareness just from the social media accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to hit you know, a team comes

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<v Speaker 1>out on the ice, you know, maybe it's the l

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<v Speaker 1>A King's and they're gonna play here, but everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>l A Is going to know about ubs Arena, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's hits another client base for us there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You really got that from Timlwicki and John Laucki, who

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked to, who are just a fun duo

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<v Speaker 1>to set down with. But you do feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>they talked to musicians in terms of the entertainment aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it, to the Islanders like what they needed, and

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<v Speaker 1>really talked to the fans about what they wanted in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of an experience, and that whole idea of social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is what a younger fan, right, younger

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<v Speaker 1>fan base is interested in, absolutely, and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think the other thing about thinking that them knowing the

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<v Speaker 1>demographics of their fan base and John, I mean John

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<v Speaker 1>is the fans owner for sure, right in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>knowing about the absolutely and so if you look, the

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<v Speaker 1>experience here is unlike any other arena. The number of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, clubs like this where fans can just pop in,

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<v Speaker 1>have a drink, meat, socialize in between the periods before

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<v Speaker 1>the game after the game. I think it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>really unique experience compared to other arenas. Hey, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit about markets because you know

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<v Speaker 1>something about that, right, Yeah, Well, I guess that's the

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<v Speaker 1>other part of my job and it's certainly a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of our program at Bloomberg Business Week. Um, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you hearing right now from your high net worth clients?

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<v Speaker 1>What's on their minds right now? So there are three

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<v Speaker 1>three big questions on the on the minds of clients today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's first and foremost about inflation. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard for them to get away from it. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>the price of gas. It's you know, hearing all the

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<v Speaker 1>shocking headlines about how much is the Thanksgiving dinner going

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<v Speaker 1>to clutch you more of the network even so well,

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<v Speaker 1>in other ways they see it as what do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean when I'm going in and buying a new car?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not bargaining down sticker price. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the dealers tell me I'm paying above sticker for that.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're just seeing and feeling a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>The news, certainly you all cover quite a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>supply chain problems and so that's bothering them. Second thing

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<v Speaker 1>is about growth, the questions about you know, what is

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<v Speaker 1>it as we as we start to see fiscal stimulus,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, coming down a bit, monetary stimulus coming down

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, what does that mean for growth? Overall?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of our clients are entrepreneurs, So for them

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<v Speaker 1>it's am I going to get enough growth in my

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<v Speaker 1>business to outweigh the increased cost of labor? So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of concerns about growth. And then the third pieces, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>you you can't have a conversation with with a client

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<v Speaker 1>without talking about the FED that so what to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what they want? To know what are they going

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<v Speaker 1>to do and what's the impact of that going to

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<v Speaker 1>be Because the feds, FEDS really you know, positioned here

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<v Speaker 1>as as a significant component of of saving the economy

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<v Speaker 1>and the investors mind and so now it's well, if

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<v Speaker 1>they reverse that, what does that mean and will we

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<v Speaker 1>be able to navigate that? So those are the three

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<v Speaker 1>big questions that they have. Well, I think what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>is what you say about concerns about slowing slowing down

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<v Speaker 1>of growth. It's not a big topic of conversation, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is where folks are worried about that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the FIT makes a misstep of raising rates just

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<v Speaker 1>as growth might be slowing down, and then you just

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<v Speaker 1>see it exacerbate. Yeah, so that's I mean, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>our view. Those are all the fears that around there,

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<v Speaker 1>and but it's interesting to hear that that's what they're thinking. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>And we put out our year head report yesterday from

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<v Speaker 1>our ce IO team, and you know, our view is

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<v Speaker 1>inflation will be transitory. Uh, there won't be a policy

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<v Speaker 1>mistake in the course of that. Clear there's a risk,

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<v Speaker 1>but there won't be a policy mistake there you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to see uh, And we spoke about this earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, Tim where we talked about the two halves

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty two, where you know, the first half of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two is going to have that that continued growth

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<v Speaker 1>momentum that we've seen in two thousand twenty one. Second

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<v Speaker 1>half of twenty two, it's gonna get a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>challenging comparisons year over year, gonna get tougher um. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be the place where you know, investors

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<v Speaker 1>gonna want to start to think about maybe more defensive

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<v Speaker 1>sectors like healthcare, you know, as as an example. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's always when you get volatility, it's well let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a look and let's think about about longer term trends.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got The CIO team had a really neat

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<v Speaker 1>phrase that they used. It's it's about the talking about

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<v Speaker 1>disruptive technology. It's about the A, B, C S and

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<v Speaker 1>five G. So it's it's really about thinking about AI,

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<v Speaker 1>big data, cybersecurity and five G. And there's a five

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<v Speaker 1>G such a big deal. People look at their phones. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we walk down the street, we see that five G

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll take the five G revolutions over. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>being in one thing. We wonder your high net worth individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>how often are they asking you about cryptoton They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>asking about cryptocurrency quite a bit. UM. We're now we're

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<v Speaker 1>not always telling them what they want to hear. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what we're telling them is is really

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<v Speaker 1>the blockchain technology and and the fintech ecosystem behind that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the place to play. Okay, So how how are

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<v Speaker 1>you giving them exposure to that space? So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it, a lot of this gets into UM private

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<v Speaker 1>equity and venture capital, and so it's about picking the

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<v Speaker 1>managers who are going to explore that space. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have multiple bets, because making a bet on on one

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency or another, it really is a bet. And and

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, in our serior year head report, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way we phrase that. If you want to make

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<v Speaker 1>a bet, do that, but don't make a part of

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<v Speaker 1>your asset allocation. As a wealth manager management client, So

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<v Speaker 1>what is the way that you give your clients access

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<v Speaker 1>to private equity adventure capital? Yeah, so we work, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>we work with the the industry's top two quintile managers

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<v Speaker 1>and private equity and VC and set up feeder funds

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<v Speaker 1>for them to participate UM. And a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>is is picking picking the right relationships and the right

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<v Speaker 1>managers over a long period of time. And and what

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find you need that expertise and that diversification UM

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<v Speaker 1>because and I mean, if you look at VC investing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the winners are great and the losers are painful,

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<v Speaker 1>and the probability of loss is higher. So you need

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<v Speaker 1>you need the right kind of expertise to be picking

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<v Speaker 1>the right place. Has it been harder because there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much money out there kind of chasing ideas right now

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting a bit pricier for sure. You know, evaluations

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<v Speaker 1>are certainly getting a little bit more stretched. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>you need a bit a bit more expertise. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you know these trends when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, for us AI, big data, cyber security,

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<v Speaker 1>in five G, there's a lot to run. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, while we're sitting here in the arena,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Verizon is one of our partners here. What

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna do with five G in this arena is amazing. Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to run. Thank you so much that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really pretending good luck with this. Oh thanks great to

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<v Speaker 1>be here. It's a really fun thing. Tom Narritill, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>UBS co President of Global Wealth Management on site at

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<v Speaker 1>the UBS arena. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with

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<v Speaker 1>Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so some comments out of the final day

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Singapore. That was

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<v Speaker 1>from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warning cryptocurrencies have

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<v Speaker 1>the power to weaken entire countries. So let's get our

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<v Speaker 1>weekly check on cryptocurrencies. Josh Sterling is with us, former

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<v Speaker 1>director of the u S Commodity Futures Trading Commissions Market

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<v Speaker 1>Participants Division CFTC of course, you know, the principal regulator

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<v Speaker 1>of the global derivatives markets. He's a partner in the

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<v Speaker 1>financial markets practice at the global law firm Jones Day

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<v Speaker 1>and he joins us on the phone from DC. Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>good to have you here on Bloomberg Radio. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to us about your clients, who you're working with,

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<v Speaker 1>and what are some of the topics is that they

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<v Speaker 1>have our need to address in today's environment when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the crypto world. Well, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for have very much for having me, Carol, I greatly

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. We're working with clients across the spectrum, from

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<v Speaker 1>traditional financial institutions to startups to corporates, and they're all

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out one simple thing, which is how

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<v Speaker 1>will digital assets like crypto occurrencies affect their businesses and

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<v Speaker 1>allow them to grow. And they're doing that at a

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<v Speaker 1>time where where I sit here in Washington, d see

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<v Speaker 1>the direction from the regulators is anything but clear or certain,

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<v Speaker 1>except that we know more is coming. We just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that is. It's hard to understand really what

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<v Speaker 1>is coming. And it's it's interesting because we will cut

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us to the news earlier this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are at the UBS Arena in Elmont, but

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<v Speaker 1>in California, the Staples Center no longer called the Staples Center, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the naming rights bought by Crypto dot Com for more

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<v Speaker 1>than seven million dollars twenty years. It makes me wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to be talking about crypto in twenty years? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, or whatever will come from crypto, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we are in the opening endings of a

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<v Speaker 1>massive change in in the shape and contours of our

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<v Speaker 1>financial system. I think that you're right. You know, Staples

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<v Speaker 1>is a is a fantastic company of bricks and mortar company,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we have a crypto company that's sponsoring an arena.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel really that we are at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty one century of finance now where you

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<v Speaker 1>look at blockchain technology and you look at applications of it,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's stable coins or decentralized finance, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>degree of interoperability and flexibility that fits really well with

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<v Speaker 1>the way I think people live their lives now. We're

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<v Speaker 1>more flexible in our lives and our own arrangements, and say,

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>my folks were in the seventies or eighties having the

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<v Speaker 1>same job for thirty years or something. It's so it

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<v Speaker 1>really is something that I think we'll be seeing into

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<v Speaker 1>the future. I like to say that for my kids,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working now to help build the financial system they'll

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<v Speaker 1>operate in when they're adults. Well, and I do think

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<v Speaker 1>about as regulators increasingly in policymakers check it all out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what is it that they need to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of keep in mind, because it's it's kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>wild wild West to some extent. Right we're figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>figuring it out as we go to something right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't quite figured it all out. Um, So what

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<v Speaker 1>is it that maybe regulators, like I said, have to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tread carefully about? Sure? I know that when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a position in government, I always thought

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<v Speaker 1>very carefully about not stifling innovation and trying to encourage

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<v Speaker 1>responsible innovation. Now was a view we shared on the

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<v Speaker 1>executive team. And you know, like you, I have heard

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<v Speaker 1>this term thrown about that it's the wild wild West

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<v Speaker 1>out there, but you know, I think that's the American

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<v Speaker 1>frontier by another name. And the frontier is a place

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<v Speaker 1>where the fortune of a nation can be built. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just in digging the mind. It's and it's

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<v Speaker 1>in selling that TNT and the donkeys to people that

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<v Speaker 1>need it. So I guess I've killed that metaphor enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But what the point is, Um? A lot is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes, to flip an old phrase, I wish regulators would,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't do something. Just sit there, Let's let

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<v Speaker 1>the ecosystem build, Let's watch out for and of course

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<v Speaker 1>try to curb cases of clear retail fraud. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people have been scammed into buying tokens the don't exist,

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<v Speaker 1>or their money we're stolen. Let's watch for that. But

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the bones and architecture of the system,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let it develop because the millions of innovators out there,

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<v Speaker 1>no more I think than than you know the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>are of regulators here in Washington, d C. What's a

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<v Speaker 1>mistake right now, Josh, that you think regulators have made

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<v Speaker 1>in the shore? Yeah, absolutely so. I think my concern

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<v Speaker 1>is the direction of where we're It appears we're going

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<v Speaker 1>with stable coins. And stable coins, of course, are the

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<v Speaker 1>lynch pin between dollars, euros, pounds again, what have you

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<v Speaker 1>via currency and digital currency. It's an exchange mechanism and

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<v Speaker 1>dollar or a yen in a dollar or a yin out.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have the President's Working Group, a group of

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<v Speaker 1>of many, if not all, the financial regulators in the

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<v Speaker 1>States saying, among other things, that stable coins really should

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<v Speaker 1>be offered exclusively by ensured depository institutions uh F, D

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<v Speaker 1>I C insured. And I'm not sure that that's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that currently the state regulated institutions are doing

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<v Speaker 1>a good job of this products. On balance, I think

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<v Speaker 1>state regimes work pretty well. I think insurance companies, life

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<v Speaker 1>insurance companies are are very well regulated in this country

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<v Speaker 1>by the States, and so I wouldn't be so quick

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<v Speaker 1>to give up on the the fifty state experiment, that

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<v Speaker 1>is the United States and trying to regulate stable coins.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the concerns there are a little overblown about

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<v Speaker 1>systemic risk, and so alright, good to check in. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just kind of scratched the surface. What are you

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<v Speaker 1>looking at, Funny, you gotta come back, Josh, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>talk more. Both certainly helpful, Josh Sterling. He's partner in

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<v Speaker 1>the financial markets practice at Jones Day there in the

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<v Speaker 1>nation's capital. Joining us on this Friday. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. Well, money has no doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about it been flowing into e s G, big time

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<v Speaker 1>global sustainable mutual fun assets hitting a fresh record high.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw that in the second quarter. Uh and Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>has reported that E s G assets may hit fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three trillion, tim by making up one third of global

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<v Speaker 1>assets under management. Well, let's bring in Andrew Lee, Managing Director,

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<v Speaker 1>Global head of Sustainable and Impact Investing at UBS Global

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<v Speaker 1>Wealth Management joining us on the phone. Andrew, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you good? How are you Tim? How are you Carol?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me good doing well? Thank you. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk a little bit about what you're seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>at UBS right now. What are clients telling you about

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<v Speaker 1>how they're thinking about sustainable and impact investing. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>starting to hear from high networth individuals that they want

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<v Speaker 1>to make the investments in E S G friendly companies?

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<v Speaker 1>We are UM, and we've been seeing this for actually

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<v Speaker 1>a few years now, right, So we've been pre pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>even we saw a lot of UM assets start to

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<v Speaker 1>flow into sustainable investments. There's a recognition UM that sustainability

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<v Speaker 1>is important for investments and that people want to start

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<v Speaker 1>matching their investments with the things that they preferenced, what

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<v Speaker 1>think about UM and how their investments actually impact groters

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<v Speaker 1>designing environment. So we continue to see inflows into that.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually saw an acceleration of that interest through the pandemic. Interesting, right, so,

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<v Speaker 1>even as you saw actives come out of traditional investments,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw continued flow UM into sustainable investments. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the fastest growing areas within UM. You know, our

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<v Speaker 1>Global wealthf acets for private clients. So the real signal

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<v Speaker 1>of interest there. Well, it's interesting to be talking to

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<v Speaker 1>you as we can hear in the background they're testing

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<v Speaker 1>out still the audio system here there worked. It worked.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's what's fascinating is Andrew. We talked earlier with

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Lawicki and John Ladecki, and Tim talked to us

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<v Speaker 1>specifically about this being carbon neutral by first aread on

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<v Speaker 1>the Eastern Seaboard to do so. So you are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the private sector, private development continue to make inroads in

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<v Speaker 1>e s G and really push the needle forward, and

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<v Speaker 1>it really mirrors what's going on in the investment community.

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<v Speaker 1>How particular though our investors when it comes to E

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<v Speaker 1>s G investments, because do you know this better than

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<v Speaker 1>most right, not a E s G investments are the same. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right, Carol. I mean, you know, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot under the e s G or the sustainable

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>investment umbrella UM and it can range from everything from

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<v Speaker 1>excluding investments from portfolios, to utilizing sustainability factors to enhance

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<v Speaker 1>an investment process, all the way to the most intentional

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<v Speaker 1>approaches of sustainable themes types of products for even impact investment,

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<v Speaker 1>right where clients or investors are trying to make an

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<v Speaker 1>intentional measurable difference UM in terms of positive change with

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<v Speaker 1>their investments. So there's a lot in there UM and

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<v Speaker 1>I think the most important thing from our perspective is

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<v Speaker 1>that sustainability matters sustainable and means different things to different people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so UM some clients to to some clients, it's more

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<v Speaker 1>of the latter, To some clients, it's more of the former.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, trying to understand what people are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to achieve with their investments and how they want

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<v Speaker 1>to incorporate sustainability into those investments and then matching it

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<v Speaker 1>up properly with the right types of solutions. That's what's

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<v Speaker 1>most important in the end, because those solutions ultimately have

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<v Speaker 1>to doever, so every portfolio is going to look different.

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<v Speaker 1>So and how do you define the SUS So for US,

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable investment broadly is any strategy or investment that incorporates environmental,

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<v Speaker 1>social and governance considerations into UM, the into the process,

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<v Speaker 1>and into the strategy of the investment itself. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be some objectives, some something that is in

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<v Speaker 1>the strategy or the investment that is about sustainability. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about, um, you know, one one one

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<v Speaker 1>exposure might be sustainable fees, right for getting exposure to

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:46.439
<v Speaker 1>climate themes or healthcare education. A distinct strategy might be, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, investing in the equities or bonds of companies

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<v Speaker 1>that demonstrate leadership on environment and social and governance consideration,

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<v Speaker 1>so how they run their businesses, not necessarily the products

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<v Speaker 1>and services that they're delivering, right, Um, So a range

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<v Speaker 1>of different things in there, um, But for us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the intentionality of the strategy and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a sustainability objective in there. That for us

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<v Speaker 1>is sustainable investment, but incorporating it throughout the process and

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<v Speaker 1>the strategy. Um, that's how we define it. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are a range of different strategies and instruments underneath that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we feel like it just continues to develop every day. Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much and and hopefully we can come

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<v Speaker 1>back to you at a future day. Andrew League, global

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<v Speaker 1>head of Sustainable and Impact Investing at UBS Global Wealth

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<v Speaker 1>Management with us on the phone in New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>and I often talk about the different metrics that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>are needed when it comes to us G because we

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<v Speaker 1>are just wrapping up earning season, and we see companies

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<v Speaker 1>move in the after hours trading when the company reports

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<v Speaker 1>guidance that miss expectations or top line or bottom line

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>growth that missed expectations, and we don't see it move

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<v Speaker 1>because of concerns exactly. And you do wonder where this

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately goes and if there's not some kind of financial

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<v Speaker 1>penalty or measurement um, do investors really ultimately care when

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it comes to a particular company. Yeah, but you let

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<v Speaker 1>me drive. Oh no, no, no, no, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a toy home hone, Please, I'll do the ride gravels.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to drive. It's good question, d. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the drive to the globe to well driver up down

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<v Speaker 1>on Bloomberg Radio. All right, let's get to it. We've

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<v Speaker 1>just got about ten minutes to wrap up the trading

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<v Speaker 1>day and the trading week and definitely a down day,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly concerned about COVID once again, and we're seeing that

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<v Speaker 1>play out in the equity markets. With us for the

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<v Speaker 1>drive to the close. Is Slita Marcelli, chief Investment Officer

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<v Speaker 1>America's UBS Global Wealth Management, on the phone in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, Sealia. Good to have you here. It's been fun, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>chatting with some of your UBS colleagues here at the

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<v Speaker 1>UBS arena. What's interesting too, though, is, yeah, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the arena, talked about what's going on in the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things top of mind is the next

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<v Speaker 1>FED chair And curious what's top of mind when you

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<v Speaker 1>when that topic comes up for you? Yes, hi, Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm great to be with you. Uh, it's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>top of mind. But look, you know it's it's the

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<v Speaker 1>FED chair seats that is going to be determined, but

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<v Speaker 1>also there's gonna be up a couple of other seats there.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually don't believe Biden. Um, you know he is

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<v Speaker 1>going to a point a bunch of super dome could

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<v Speaker 1>they fed board? Um, you know it is you don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that. You know, that's not our base, the base case.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, look, it is very comfortable politicians to prefer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, central backers to promote economic growth by keeping

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<v Speaker 1>monetary polls to loose. Fust. I think under the current circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>that strategy could be contraproductive for President Biden, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>given that inflation is high and we'll weigh on his

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<v Speaker 1>approval rates. So our base is actually that he would

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<v Speaker 1>reappoint Powell. Um, and Powell had re repeated. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that said will act and I see useful to train

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<v Speaker 1>an inflation and inflation remain sustainably high. And I think

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 1>markets will likely be comfortable if he stays on s chair. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Powell has also thrown by parts in supports

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<v Speaker 1>of means to be easily confirmed by the Senate. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but but what if he doesn't an apologies again to

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<v Speaker 1>to you and our audience. They're doing some sound checking here.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a UVS arena. But what if he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't reappoint that chair Powell? Okay? So you know I

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<v Speaker 1>would think the other choice. You know that it's being

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<v Speaker 1>the fast A lot is Granner, right, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that she's seen by some as more dovish than Powell.

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<v Speaker 1>But in argue, actually she's not that far from the

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<v Speaker 1>Stanton amongst why I'm seeing members. I mean, she really

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't um, you know, defensed uh, you know from Powell

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<v Speaker 1>on money taire policy. You know she has it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think practical approach and I think monter polity continue would

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<v Speaker 1>continue if she were to be the next picture. However,

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<v Speaker 1>where there's a clear policy difference. I would say between

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<v Speaker 1>you know Powell and Raynard is on bank regulation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if Biden's to you know kee Powell, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>then we would expect him to appoint Brainerd as vice

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<v Speaker 1>chair Force the provision giving her extra responsible toto a

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<v Speaker 1>bank regulation um and then we should expect to see

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes regulation in the years. So if it's between it so,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I think we're still seeing a continuation on

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<v Speaker 1>one term policy. It's also the other things that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to speak about. So is it in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>who is at the top of the bed or composition

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<v Speaker 1>of the FED. We know it's academic to some extent,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of conversations that go on with all

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<v Speaker 1>the dead members, but who's ever at the top will

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<v Speaker 1>be the same in terms of the impact on Main

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<v Speaker 1>Street as well as Wall Street, or could a different

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<v Speaker 1>FED head have some different implications for Wall Street versus

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<v Speaker 1>Main Street if it were if it's a little hard

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<v Speaker 1>to you guess, but if the fetcher or to be

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<v Speaker 1>someone from the main Street that no, no, no, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is in terms of who and forgive us,

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<v Speaker 1>we are at the ubs arena and they're still finishing

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<v Speaker 1>touches and they are checking out the audio system here.

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<v Speaker 1>UM and I know our audio makes complicates our audio.

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of who is at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the FED worserve, whether it's Brainerd or Powell, will that

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<v Speaker 1>potentially impact let's say, Main Street more than Wall Street?

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, couldn't have some different implications for those

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<v Speaker 1>two different groups, if you will, um, I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think so we don't see that

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<v Speaker 1>much of a difference um between the student terms of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, perception from monitory policy. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Powell has been in the street, He's been

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<v Speaker 1>uh tested. I think he certainly does have UM, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, for example, from the progressive perspective, right, even

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<v Speaker 1>though there has been some um, you know pushback because

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, in terms of UM his reactions inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that he's certainly emphasized issues that are

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<v Speaker 1>important to UM democrats, like taking a broad view of

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<v Speaker 1>the first mandates to promote and you know, maximum employment,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as promoting diversity within the fatty stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, UM among you, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be that much of a difference in

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<v Speaker 1>from the perception between the two. But I think Power

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>certainly has the incumbent um, you know, advantage, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>already tested, it's already know his people. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are comfortable with his style of communication

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>as well, so um, you know, I think, you know, uh,

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it would be more in his favor. Selita Martelli, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to have to leave it their chief investment

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>officer of the America's at UBS Global Bolt Management. Again, apologies,

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Dr Wrap you just a little bit early. And to

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