1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined by the 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: one and only Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you Hear 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: from our studios at Lambeau Field to preview Sunday's game 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: here at Lambeau It will be the Packers against the 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers West, a noon Central time kickoff, the first 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: noon Central Time kickoff of the twenty twenty five season 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: at home for Green Bay. But we and we get 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: an extra hour of sleep before we have to get 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: up for this one. So yeah, you're gonna do the 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: whole turn the clock back, but still set an alarm? 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: Or are you gonna be good come Sunday morning? 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: It's an interesting question. I guess I will hopefully be 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 2: good comes Sunday morning. Maybe I'll end up being here 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: a little too early. We'll see. But I'll tell you this, 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: I always notice this more one around the road. It's 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: like there's been a couple times where I think in 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: my fourteen years covering the team, we've had daylight savings 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: time hit and like the same day we had like 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: a Sunday night football game. Yeah, and it made a 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: long day on the road even longer long felt like 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: that last week waiting for an eight to twenty Eastern 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: time kickoff in Pittsburgh. But yeah, no daylight savings time. 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers Dom Caper's gonna be back in town. I 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: can't win well. 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: These Panthers are four and four thus far on the season, 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: and I would say if there's one mistake that Packers 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: fans can make, it's to look at what happened to 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: the Panthers last week as an indication of the type 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: of team. This is because they got it handed to 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: them by the Buffalo Bills. I believe the final score 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: was forty to nine, but Andy Dalton had to fill 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: in for Bryce Young at quarterback. Dalton was not up 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: to it. The Bills just completely steamrolled them. This is 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: a Carolina team that heading into that game against Buffalo 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: without Bryce Young, they had won three straight games They've 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: They have lost a couple of other games to teams 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: with winning records this year. They lost to Jacksonville, they 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: lost to New England, and then obviously lost to Buffalo. 40 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: But they're four and one against everybody else on their schedule, 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: and the one loss was a close one to the 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. This is a team when you've got a young, 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: up and coming quarterback like Bryce Young and the Packers 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of found this out a couple of years ago 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: down in Carolina. When a young quarterback on the rise 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: starts to you know, starts to find his way in 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: this league. Man, you got to be ready for anything. 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: Well, I'm Matt Leafloyd even talked about it right when 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: he was addressing the media on Wednesday, saying that his 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: emergence is a quarterback almost kind of started a little 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: bit with that game against Green Bay. Yeah, the end 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: of the twenty three seasons, I would agree green Bay survived, 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: they got pasted it. But that point, that was his 54 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: first three hundred yard game. I believe in the NFL 55 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: as far as passing is concerned, and he made it 56 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: a game at the end of the day. But let's 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: be honest about this man. It's not about Andy Dalton. 58 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: It's not about Bryce Young. To me, it's about Rico Dowdell. 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: This guy that they got from Dallas is their bellcow. 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Now Chuba Hubbard. That's been the dude that they paid 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: after Christian McCaffrey. That was the guy that they dedicated 62 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: themselves to. But when Hubbard got injured, Dowdell was thrown 63 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: into the spotlight and they have gone as he has gone. Yeah, 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: last week, I think they made a huge error. And 65 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: now obviously Andy Dalton didn't play particularly well, but Hubbard's 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: back now and Donald had eight carries in that game. 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: And I think it's been one of the narratives this 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: week in Carolina about how you probably need a feature him. 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: I am expecting to see a heavy serving of him 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: in this matchup because especially with what appears to be 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: Bryce Young being back of the fold. He was a 72 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: full participant in practice on Wednesday. I would imagine his 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: best friend as they try to get that offense cooking 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: is going to be Rico. 75 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. The there are rumblings in Carolina with regard to Hey, 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: like not that anybody is losing respect for for Cuba Hubbard, 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: but ric o'dowell was the. 78 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: Hot hand and six of rushing yards already. 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he had he had four hundred I 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: believe over a stretch of two games. So there's a 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: there are a lot of talking Caroline about hey, maybe 82 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: they maybe they just need to ride the hot hand here, 83 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: which is doubtell and see and see how far he 84 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: can take them. I believe he's averaging is at five 85 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: point seven yards per carry in his. 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: Uh look at the big brain on Brad his. 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: His time, his time so far this season five point seven. 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: That's a that's a dangerous guy. Another young player on 89 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: this Carolina offense, Ted McMillan, the wide receiver. I mean, 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: you and I both talked about this guy heading into 91 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: the draft where it was like wow, like how can 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: you not be excited about a guy like this? And 93 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: of course he ended up getting chosen long before the 94 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Packers were on the clock when when Green Bay took 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Golden later in the first round. But McMillan so 96 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: far has has lived up to it. 97 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: Man. 98 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's already as a rookie, the go 99 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: to guy for Bryce Young in this passing game. And 100 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: he's another guy that you just look at as a 101 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: dangerous weapon. 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad you brought him up. Obviously we're 103 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: going to talk about him. But you know, because a 104 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: lot of the conversation this week's been about like, hey, 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: with you have Matthew Golden, do you need to feed 106 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: him the football? Do you need to get him targets. Well, 107 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: if you don't have any other weapons around him, he's 108 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: going to have more opportunity right out of the bat 109 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: right to get that attention. I'm not saying that the 110 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: Panthers don't have weapons. There are plenty of guys to 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: worry about. There's more first round and second round picks 112 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: on this roster. But the fact is is that McMillan 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: was brought in to be a game changer. They drafted 114 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: him where they drafted him to be a game changer, 115 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: and they have completely shifted their passing game to him 116 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: in a way. It almost kind of reminds you about 117 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: different types of receivers, but almost like when DJ Moore 118 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 2: was there, where it was the DJ Moore Show and 119 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: everybody else kind of compliment. That's sort of where they're 120 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: going with Ted McMillan right now. So I love what 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: I saw from He had a good game last week 122 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: as well, despite the fact it kind of got away 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: from you know, the Panthers still ninety nine receiving yards 124 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: still what is it now, five hundred He's just over 125 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: five hundred yards. Yeah, yeah, for eight weeks. Not too 126 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: bad coming out of the gates. So weapons you have 127 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: to be concerned with for sure, but certainly when you 128 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: look again, I'm not going to just make this sound 129 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: like they're taking on the you know, pick pick a 130 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: team here, Philadels and fourteen New England Patriots or something 131 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: like that. But the fact is they do have some 132 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: guys that can hurt you. Green Bay can't allow them 133 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: to do that well. 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: On the defensive side of the ball. The kind of 135 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: black eye on this Carolina defense is the fact that 136 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: they have not been able to pressure quarterback. Yeah, very well. 137 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: They've only racked up thirteen sacks through eight games, which 138 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: is a rather low number one thing I will say though, 139 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: because again, if you let the Buffalo game last week, 140 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, skew your perception too much, You're not really 141 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: seeing what this Carolina team is. This is a team 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: that when things have been going well, they've stopped the run. Now, 143 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Buffalo ran all over them. It was like two hundred 144 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: and forty five rushing yards by the Bills last week. 145 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: But before last week, this Carolina team was only giving 146 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: up like ninety two yards a game on the ground. 147 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: When this team is going well, it is a run 148 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the ball, stop the run team that completely got away 149 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: from them last week against the Buffalo Bills. But they've 150 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: made it. They've made it tough for the most part 151 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: for teams to be able to run the ball. But 152 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: their issue defensively is that they're just not able to 153 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: speed up the quarterback clocks and to create the kind 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: of pressure that disrupts passing offenses. And that's why you've 155 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: seen some big point totals by opponents so far this year. 156 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: So out of respect and in honor of Don Caper's 157 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to start with the positives here. Dom who's 158 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: a senior assistant for the Panthers, one of his disciples 159 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: at Jaro Ever, who is actually a quality control coach 160 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: here in Green Bay during my first season with Packers 161 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: dot Com. 162 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, EJT. His basically got his coaching start in the 163 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: NFL here in Green Bay. It's where he broke in. 164 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: And I feel personally that he's one of the guys 165 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: I respect most in this league. I feel like he 166 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: has absolutely maximized this Carolina Panthers defense with what they 167 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: are right now, because it is sort of a transitionary 168 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: year for what they're looking to build. They have pieces there, 169 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: but they're not quite to where they want them to be. 170 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: Yet right they're eleventh in total defense, which I think 171 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: is a tip in a feather in his cap for 172 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: what they've achieved on that side of things. As you said, 173 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: when it comes to pressure in the quarterback, it's been 174 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: a slog. They're twenty sixth in pressure right right now. 175 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: They're leading sack artist if you want to call him 176 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: that pass rusher, whatever you want to say. Derek Brown 177 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: only has three on the season. Their second guys, aj 178 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: A'shawn Robinson, who I love. I've been a big A'shawn 179 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: Robinson fan since he came out in twenty sixteen. 180 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it came out of Alabama. 181 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: I drafted him over Kenny Clark that year. The fact 182 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: of the matter is is he is more here traditional 183 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: nose tackle stuff the run, and he's getting home a 184 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: little bit. But kind of like a few weeks ago, 185 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: with TJ. Slayton being second and quarterback hits for the Bengals, 186 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want Ashawn Robinson to be one of 187 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: your leading sac guys. So it just shows you the 188 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: kind of where the Panthers are at right now. They're opportunistic, 189 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: they're savvy, they can make games competitive and they've all 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: been shown offensively too. They can blow a team out 191 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: like they did against Atlanta, But there are a lot 192 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: of warts there that I think Green Bay is gonna 193 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: have to try to expose. 194 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let's just go right into Keys 195 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: to Victory here because there are a couple other topics 196 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: I want to get to before we make this show too. 197 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: Talk about penalty, Yes we do. For our producer Hannah, 198 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: we don't want to go too long today. But Keys 199 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: to Victory here for Green Bay, I'll let you start. 200 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: What's at the top of your list. 201 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: Well, you can't have Bryce Young throwing for three hundred 202 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: passing yards again. I mean, I whan you go back 203 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: and think about that game, right, The fact of the 204 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: matter is that the Packers in that matchup, all right, 205 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: they got off to a really good start. Bryce Young 206 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: could not do anything. Yeah, in that game against Peerlan. Now, mind, 207 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: it's a different defensive coordinator, a lot of different defenders. 208 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: The script has completely changed now from that time to 209 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: where the Packers are trending at the end of the 210 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: twenty three season to where they're at right now. All 211 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: that being said, for the Packers, I feel like being 212 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: able to stemy his momentum and slow down Dowdle and 213 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: Hubbard two. When he's in there is going to be 214 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: paramount in this one. If Carolina struggles to get the 215 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: run going, that's when everything else around them kind of crumbles. 216 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: And Mike, let's just be honest. You said a lot 217 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: of really nice things about the Panthers, and they get going. 218 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: They've lost some competitive games, but really quickly, let's just 219 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: look at their wins on the season, all right, thirty 220 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: to nothing over the Falcons, twenty seven to twenty four 221 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: over the Dolphins, thirty to twenty seven over the Cowboys, 222 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: and thirteen to six over the Jets. That's not a 223 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: great win total amongst those four teams that they're playing 224 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: in terms of the strength of victory. You have to 225 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: respect him, you have to understand where coming from. But 226 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: at the same time, the Packers are a team that 227 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: is sitting at five to one and one for a reason, 228 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: and there's also a reason why the Panthers are at 229 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: five hundred. 230 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with you totally that this is 231 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: this is a stop the run game. I think for 232 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: the Packers defense, if they want to still do the 233 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: sharing thing between Donnell and Hubbard. You know, fine, if 234 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna ride Dowdell as far as they can, you 235 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: just you can't let you can't let that running game 236 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: set up Bryce Young for success. And I think defensively, 237 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: that's the key for the Packers on the offensive side. 238 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: To me, when you talk about e J. Evereu as 239 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, and you know Dom Caper's being a 240 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: consultant on that staff, and Everro's obviously a disciple of 241 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: his and everything we've heard from Matt Lafleur this week 242 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: about how the Panthers really try to, you know, keep 243 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: that umbrella on their defense, take away big plays. Offensively, 244 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: this game is about the Packers just have to take 245 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: what the Panthers are giving them. If the Panther, if 246 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: the Panthers are just going to give up the six 247 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: and seven yard stop routes, the hitch routes, whatever you 248 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: want to call them, then just take them and move 249 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: and move the chains. Obviously stay balanced with the running 250 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: game and whatnot. And and we've seen that, you know, 251 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: the Packers can certainly create a job share a little 252 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: bit with Josh Jacobzimmanuel Wilson with the running game the 253 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: way that's going. But just take what they give you. 254 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: Don't try to force something down the field that's not there. 255 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: If they if they're gonna sit back, if they're gonna 256 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: sit back and be more afraid of the twenty yard 257 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: pass downfield, then you know you converting on you know, 258 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: second and five, and get them to the sticks. Then 259 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: just take the sticks and keep the ball and keep 260 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: moving it. Just it feels like it's one of those 261 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: It's one of those games that the Packers are going 262 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: to have to be patient and they aren't necessarily going 263 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: to be able to push the ball down the field 264 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: the way they like to. 265 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point. I almost as a part of 266 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: me that we wish you could just stop the show 267 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: right now and actually make you save that for final thoughts, 268 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: because I think that's a good way to say it. 269 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: Because here, here's the thing, and I'm glad you brought 270 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: this up because otherwise I would have not been able 271 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: to bring it back to this. What is Carolina best 272 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: at defensively? It's the fact that they play a lot 273 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: of two shell but yet they're still pretty competent against 274 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: defending the run. That's where Green Bay has actually really 275 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: in a strange way, and you were discussing that this 276 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: week too, been able to execute well and throw well 277 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: against the cover two well, maybe not always at times, 278 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: particularly running well against it, which kind of in a way, 279 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: sort of reminds me of the twenty eleven team where 280 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: they've been struggling to get into those third and shorts, 281 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: but they found ways to still convert them. You can't 282 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 2: live in that, you can't survive in it. You need 283 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: at some point to find some answers. This is a 284 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: good game to be able to do that in. And 285 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: I want to bring this up too, because I don't 286 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: know if we're going to get another chance to discuss 287 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: it when you mentioned Emmanuel Wilson, and certainly I'm working 288 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: on a story about this right now. Wilson getting snaps 289 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: right now I think is not as much of storyline 290 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: as it is with Josh Jacobs as it is with 291 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: the fact that it doesn't sound like the Packers are 292 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: getting Marshaw Lloyd back anytime soon. So having Wilson kind 293 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: of hitting his stride again here mid season I think 294 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: is gonna be very critical for this team. In addition 295 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: to the fact that if you can take some snaps 296 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: off of Josh Jacobs, allow him to heal up, allow 297 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: his body not to take as many hits as he 298 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: also is dealing with that calf injury. That's not necessarily 299 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: a bad thing either. 300 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear you. I think this will be 301 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: an interesting game just in terms of how the Packers 302 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: go about it offensively, with with kind of where they are, 303 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: and Christian Watson's second game back, and and you know, 304 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, how is he going to be with the 305 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: he dealt with the hip injury, you know, late last week, 306 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: and now how how is he going to be moving forward? 307 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: So who runs better wins? I honestly I think it 308 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: probably would. Yeah, talk about key to victory, that's probably it. 309 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It does feel like a run the ball, 310 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: stop the run kind of game. 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I'm gonna do it this way. I 330 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a soliloquy monologue. I need 331 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: to go on here about about a particular issue. No, 332 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: that's okay, But then what I'm gonna do is then 333 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it over to you and whether you 334 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: want to comment on my issue or not, but then 335 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: you get the floor to talk about an officiating issue 336 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: of your choice. Okay, so you can think about the 337 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: direction you want to take this while I talk about mine, 338 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: because I want to go back to the Arizona game 339 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: and the hip drop tackle that was flagged on Micah Parsons, 340 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: because now I glanced at one replay in the press 341 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: box after the play was over, and when I saw 342 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: the replay, I thought, oh, yeah, I can see why 343 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: they flagged it. You and I discussed it on the 344 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: show the following week. You had a lot more questions 345 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: about whether it should have been flagged as a hip 346 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: drop tackle, and I kind of thought it was. I 347 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: thought it was an okay call. Well, as it turns out, 348 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: Micah Parsons was not fined for that hip drop tackle. 349 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: There were actually in week seven, there were four fines 350 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: for hip drop tackles that were handed out that were 351 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: not flagged in games Parsons got flagged but did not 352 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: get fined, which I've said before on this show. The 353 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: way the league is doing this with this player safety stuff, 354 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: with players getting flagged and not fined, and fined and 355 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: not flagged, it's kind of ridiculous. It's reached the point 356 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: of ridiculousness quite frankly. But what I want to speak 357 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: to specifically with regard to the Parsons situation, is that, Okay, 358 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: if he's not fined for that hip drop tackle that 359 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: received a penalty, the league has essentially admitted that they 360 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: got the officials got the call wrong, right. What I 361 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: want to see is some transparency. I want to see 362 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: some explanation. Okay, why wasn't he fined for it? Why 363 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: was it not a finable offense for a hip drop tackle? 364 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: And shouldn't have been flagged? Because you had brought up 365 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: the point when we were discussing it of like, well, 366 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: was Jacoby Brissett like in the pocket and should that 367 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: not have you know, should it not have been that? 368 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: And maybe that's what it was. Maybe it was something 369 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: about the way Parsons went about it when they looked 370 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: at it on video that it didn't meet all the 371 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: criteria for him to get fine. I want to know why, Like, 372 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: just have some transparency here and explain explain why he 373 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: didn't get fine for it and why the officials on 374 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: the field were wrong to flag it, because not only 375 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: is that going to help the players and help the coaches, 376 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: and it's gonna help the fans, it's gonna help everybody 377 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: understand a little bit better what's going on out there, 378 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: and instead all we know is that he got flagged 379 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: for it. It took away what would have been a 380 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: fourth sack in the game because it was at or 381 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, and it gave I mean, 382 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: I believe that play was going to create a third down, 383 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: a potentially third and long for the Cardinals. But then 384 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: with the fifteen yards they get the automatic first down 385 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 1: on the personal file and all that. I just I 386 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: don't I just really don't like the way the NFL 387 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: is going about this, not only not only with adjudicating 388 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: things with the fines, and then if they get the 389 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: calls wrong on the field, like, okay, so be it. 390 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: It was fifteen yards and a big play and a 391 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: big call at the time, but everybody just has to 392 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: live with it, but then not getting any explanation afterward 393 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: as to as to why it was wrong what they're 394 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: actually looking for, Like I because, like I said, I 395 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: took one glance at it and I kind of understood 396 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: why it was flagged. So I want to know, Okay, 397 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: why why wasn't it actually a hip drop tackle? And Okay, 398 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: I think I'm done now. So I'm gonna I'm gonna 399 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: turn it over to you. But that's that's the kind 400 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: of thing right now with the officiating in the NFL, 401 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: and I acknowledge it's a tough job, but. 402 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 2: I've stopped doing that because they don't want to make 403 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: it better. 404 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: Mike, No, you can't. 405 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: I can't sit here and say that my job stinks, 406 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: but yet I don't do anything to make it better. 407 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: My subordinates don't, supervisors don't do anything to make it better. 408 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. I'm not coming at you 409 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 2: about this, but I'm just I'm tired of just saying, well, 410 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: their jobs hard. Of course it's hard. You're in the 411 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: National Football League, brov Like it's going to be hard. 412 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: These are the fastest, strongest, most athletic athletes on the planet, 413 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: at least in the fact of what our country has 414 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: to offer. It's going to be hard for fifty four 415 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 3: year old men to be able to officiate this thing. 416 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: We have done nothing to revolutionize it. We've done nothing 417 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: to add to it. That's my problem. And then you 418 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: get instances like this, like the with the hip drop tackle, 419 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: where it needs to be clear and obvious that the 420 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: rule needs to be followed, that a flag should be thrown, 421 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: it has to meet all three criteria. Sean Hockylely and 422 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: his crew felt that that happened. Yeah, but did it 423 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: really happen though. 424 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Obviously not because they were wrong. 425 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: Again, it just the way this has gone. And this 426 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: will be my only piece. This is what I'll use, 427 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: is like my last word. If this was like first 428 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: take or whatever I've been saying for as long as 429 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: I've worked for the Green Bay Packers. Now, I'm not 430 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: trying to put the Dean Blandino era in like this 431 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 2: Crystal Palace chamber, right, yeah, yeah, But what was my 432 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 2: favorite thing about Blandino? I've said it numerous times on 433 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: the show already. When Tuesday came, he put out a 434 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: video explaining calls that they made. He's not going to 435 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: go through everything, but he picks out four or five 436 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: things that he would talk about. The transparency was there, 437 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: at least the attempt at it. Yes, Since Dean Blandino 438 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: left the officiating office, which was almost a decade ago, now, 439 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: there has been no transparency. The accountability has lacked. The 440 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 2: public in general has less information than ever before about 441 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: why certain calls are being made. And to your point, 442 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: this does nothing to do with windsor losses. Nothing to 443 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: do with windsor losses. That's a byproduct. It has to 444 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: do with the fact that Micah Parsons was robbed of 445 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: his first four SAC game. There's money involved in that, 446 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: there's bonuses involved with that. This happened with Clay Matthews, 447 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: and I got so upset and agitated with it, going 448 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: back to the twenty eighteen season that took away jyr 449 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: Alexander's first career interception because of a crappy call. 450 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well and again, and I won't I won't 451 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: get back up on my soapbox again. But the hip 452 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: drop tackle thing with Parsons is to me, it's it's 453 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: reached the point where that is sort of the epitome 454 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: of what I have been saying for years, which is 455 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: that just you want to put all these safety rules 456 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: in to protect the players and all that. I get it. 457 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm all for player safety, I understand it, but then 458 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: make all the safety calls reviewable so that whether it's 459 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: the flags or no flags and whatever in the course 460 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: of a game, that they get it right. The fact 461 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: that you're putting in all these safety rules but then 462 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: you're not actually putting in assurances that these calls are 463 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: going to be correct, and then you're just adjudicating with 464 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: the fines and everything after the fact and taking money 465 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: out of guys paychecks or not even if they got 466 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: flagged during the game like that, that's to me. To me, 467 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: that's where it's reached the point of ridiculousness and absurdity. 468 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Just make the safety calls reviewable, make sure you get 469 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: them right on the field, and I think everybody can 470 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: everybody can live with the results. 471 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: You're ready for me to give you my dystopian view 472 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: on this. Yes, I still have no confidence that they're 473 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: going to get it right even if they make. 474 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: It reviewable, and that I've lost it. 475 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: I've lost so much confidence in New York at this point. 476 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm with you on it. I think you're right in 477 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: terms of the but I think back to offensive PI. 478 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: I think of all the other things the New York 479 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: stands up for the officials, but unfortunately a lot of 480 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: times it comes at the detriment of the game itself. 481 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's definitely. 482 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: I don't mean to take steam out of your boat 483 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: because you're right, but but I wish I wish I 484 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: had confidence in this point for New York to get 485 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: these calls right upon review. I don't. 486 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess for me. For me, I think 487 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: while it would not be a perfect While it would 488 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: not be a perfect system and eliminate all errors, a 489 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: it would be the league actually making a greater effort, yes, 490 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: to get the calls right, and you have to stand 491 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: behind it, and there would be and there would be 492 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: more calls that would be correct than incorrect if you 493 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: give that opportunity for these safety rules, whether you're talking 494 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: and now I know they've gone to like they're allowing 495 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: like the replay assist for like roughing the passer stuff 496 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: and for some of the you know. But but there 497 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of safety rules, the hip drop tackle 498 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: being one of them that is absolutely not subject to 499 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: review whatsoever. And that was that was a huge play 500 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: in the game in Arizona. It was a huge play 501 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: for Micah Parsons, as we've talked about with his statistics 502 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: and numbers and all that, and hats off to him. 503 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: He still won NFC Defensive Player of the Month even 504 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: though he got a sack taken away. 505 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: Do you think last less stop? 506 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 507 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: Do you think if it's reviewable, new York changes that 508 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: call in the game. 509 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great question. 510 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: You know what I think. I think I think New 511 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: York stands by that call. And I think on Tuesday, 512 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: money comes out of Micah Parsons wall. Maybe you maybe, 513 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: I think I think he probably got saved by money 514 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: by that not being a reviewable call. Should it have 515 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: been yes, Should it have been overturned? Yes? Was it 516 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: in the spirit of the rule? As I said from 517 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: the very beginning, it is not. The spirit of the rule. 518 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: Is when when good Aaron Rodgers running towards the sideline right, 519 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: Michaeh Parsons is in pursuit. In that instance, you need 520 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: to protect Aaron Rodgers because he doesn't see what's coming. 521 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: If Michael Parsons would have wrapped him up rather than 522 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: Rogers thrown it away, if he wraps him up and 523 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: drops his hip, that's where Rogers is in danger. 524 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Climbing the pocket, Yeah, and I and and maybe 525 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: and maybe I misread the play a little bit because 526 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: I sort of thought Brissette had gone into like scramble mode. 527 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: You call it climbing the pocket. And so there's there's 528 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: a little bit. There's a little bit of nuance there, 529 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: and I probably need to look at the play a 530 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: few more times myself just to see. But I was 531 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: I was giving fans and you like what my instant 532 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: reaction was to seeing like one replay of it. I 533 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: understood why they way through. I understood why they threw 534 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: the flag, and now I'm just really annoyed that I 535 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: don't understand why he wasn't fined because I want to. 536 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: I want to. I want to be able to understand 537 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: these things. I want to know what's going on and 538 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: the reasons why. And that's it. Just it bothers. 539 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: You can ask the officials next August when they come 540 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: back in for their. 541 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, like they're gonna want to answer my question. Geez. 542 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: All right, Well, before we go, let's take a look 543 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: around the league in Week nine, as far as NFC 544 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: Northings concern. Interesting matchup of course, Minnesota is at Detroit. Yeah, 545 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: that will be going on at the same time the 546 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: noon Central time window as the Packers and the Panthers. 547 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: It is the return of JJ McCarthy to the quarterback 548 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: position for the Vikings, who have now dropped a low 549 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: five hundred at three and four. The Lions are five 550 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: and two coming off of their bye week. Do you 551 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: give the Vikings much of a chance with McCarthy coming 552 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: back on off the long layoff here, do you think 553 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: the Lions just take care of business? 554 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think the Lions take care of business. But 555 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: here's a beautiful thing about the NFL. Vikings could end 556 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: up winning this game thirty eight to twelve at this point. 557 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: I mean, like the way that this league has been 558 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: going this year and the strange things that have happened, 559 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: nothing would surprise me anymore. That said, this is a 560 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: really tough draw for JJ McCarthy coming out of the box. 561 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: He's getting a Detroit team coming off of a bye 562 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: that's also kind of rectified itself. Defensively. They're now in 563 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: the top ten in defense. They're giving up a little 564 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: bit in the passing game, but it's going to be 565 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: a real challenge, especially if they can't get the run 566 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: game going. I think when you look at what Carson 567 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: when Carson Wentz was successful before this season ending injury, 568 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: it was when Jordan Mason was getting going a little bit. 569 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: It was when obviously they're getting the ball into Justin 570 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: Jefferson's hands. If McCarthy doesn't have Mason and Aaron Jones 571 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: running the ball effectively against a really tough run defense, right, 572 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: he's gonna have his work cutout for him. This is 573 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: not trending in the right direction for the Vikings, but 574 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, never say never, but trying to beat them 575 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: in that place, it's going to be very difficult. 576 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: And Aiden Hutchinson just got his money, so I got 577 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: a feeling like a three or four sack game for 578 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: Hutchinson is coming here. I know, I know McCarthy, if 579 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's plenty mobile, maybe he can get away 580 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: from him. But but man, oh man, like I wouldn't 581 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: want to be in Aiden Hutchinson's crosshairs right now after 582 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: he just signed that big deal. 583 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: This is the season right now for Minnesota, honestly, because 584 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: if you look at it the way there's schedule lines 585 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 2: up now. I was thinking about this before we walked in. 586 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: It's Lions Ravens, Ravens who now are playing the Dolphins. 587 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: I mean, this could line up for Baltimore to get 588 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: on a run. 589 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: Mark Jackson's supposedly back tonight, and then they're gonna have 590 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: kind of the you know, the extra you know the 591 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: mini bi as they say before they then play the Vikings. 592 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: Before they play the Vikings, and then you got, you know, 593 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: a gritty Bears team, Packers, Seahawks. I mean, it's it's 594 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: a tough slog here coming up from Minnesota. I think 595 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: this this result here after two tough losses against good teams. Yeah, 596 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: I think it's going to dictate a lot of where 597 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: their season heads. 598 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Well, the other one in the NFC North, Chicago is 599 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, and the big story of course here is 600 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: whether or not Joe Flacco is going to be able 601 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: to play. He's dealing with he's dealing with an ac 602 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: joint sprain in his throwing shoulder, and the Bears will 603 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: be at Cincinnati second week in a row. Chicago is 604 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: on the road against an AFC North team. They got 605 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: the backup quarterback in Baltimore last week, but that didn't 606 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: help them, as Tyler Huntley took care of took care 607 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: of Chicago. So we'll see if it's Flacco or Jake Browning. 608 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: But Chicago trying to stay above five hundred. If they 609 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: were to lose, they would drop to four and four 610 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: and they'd be back to even after that four game 611 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: winning streak game of the week, though, we'll be working 612 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: on all of our postgame coverage of Packers Panthers while 613 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs are at the Buffalo Bills in 614 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: the late afternoon time slot. Buffalo looks like, you know, 615 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: they hit a couple bumps in the road. They seem 616 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: to be getting themselves back on track. Kansas City had 617 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: some bumps in the road early. They look like they've 618 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: gotten rolling. Now, this is a big one in the AFC. 619 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in these the type of franchises and teams 620 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: that you just expect. However, the start of the race goes. 621 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: By the time you get to that final mile marker, 622 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: they're going to be back in it. One thing, I 623 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: was pretty young in the nineties, Mike, so you obviously 624 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: remember those games and those matchups more than I do. 625 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: But to have this many battles between the Patrick Mahomes 626 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs, the Josh Allen Buffalo Bills, the Lamar 627 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: Jackson Baltimore Ravens, it's like to have franchise quarterbacks, the 628 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: very best quarterbacks, all entrenched in the same conference, in 629 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: some cases the same division. It's wild to watch those 630 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: matchups play out and this matchup itself both at five 631 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: and two. I mean, you look or five and three, 632 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: excuse me, in Kansas City's point of view, you look 633 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: at where things were headed for them in that first 634 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: month and how everybody was kind of already wishing doom 635 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: upon the Chiefs. Well, now Rashi Rice is back, which 636 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: we knew was going to be happen. They've started to 637 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: build up some steam again. Mike Penell just signed with 638 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: the Chiefs for the thirteenth time, so he's back at 639 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: that defense. I love you, Mike. I'm sorry. I didn't 640 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: meant it like that, But the fact is is that 641 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: the Chiefs have a process that works for them. And 642 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: going into Buffalo, I mean, every time they play the Bills, 643 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: that's that's a gritty matchup. That's a fan base that 644 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: is starving for any victory that they can get against 645 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: Kansas City. I expect it to be a good one. 646 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be a good one. And you know, 647 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: and it may just be a preview of yet another 648 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: January meeting between those those two squads, because they've met 649 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: in the playoffs a lot. One more, just to throw 650 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: it your way, it's the primetime game on Sunday night, 651 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Seattle is at Washington, and I bring it up. I 652 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: know Washington has kind of been struggling here and there, 653 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: but sounds like Jayden Daniels potentially is going to be 654 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: back and quarterback for them. Seattle flying across the country 655 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: all the way coast to coast to play a night 656 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: game primetime in somebody else's house. I think this one 657 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: could be pretty interesting. I guess put it that way. 658 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold is off to He's putting together another really 659 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: really good Sea and this will be this will be 660 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: an interesting one with you know, as we kind of 661 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: talked about the Vikings that kind of their their seasons 662 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of maybe hanging on this Lions game a little bit. 663 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: It kind of feels that way for Washington too, with 664 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: the struggles that they've had. They need to get Jade 665 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: and Daniels back. They need to start beating some good 666 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: teams and get going to get back to where they 667 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: were a year ago. And if they can't, if they 668 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: can't win this one, it becomes a really big uphill 669 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: climb for the Commanders. 670 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 2: They just got to win games at this point, especially 671 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: with there's so much parody all five teams or all 672 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 2: seven teams excuse me right now that are currently in 673 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: the playoffs in the NFC of five or more wins, 674 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: they're sitting at three and five. Still. Yeah, this is 675 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: a team again that was in the NFC Championship Game 676 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: last year, and as an older team. This is not 677 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: a young team outside of its quarterback. I mean, they 678 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: were built to try to try to make a run 679 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl this season. At the same time, 680 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: the Sam Darnold era is just so interesting, both in 681 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: Minnesota and also in Seattle this year. It's like his 682 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: teams just fly under the radar. He does all this stuff. 683 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: You look a stat sheet afterwards, it's super impressive. Nobody 684 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: talks about and they just keep winning. And that's what 685 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks have been this year. Now, the Seahawks 686 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: there's pressure on them too to take another step because 687 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: last year they were what a ten win team, but 688 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: they didn't make the playoffs. They have to be able 689 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: to show, you know, that they have something more than 690 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: just being a competitive team that they can actually threaten. 691 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: But I think if you're sitting here in Week nine, 692 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: you're looking at how the offseason played out, the fact 693 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: that Minnesota allowed Sam Darnold to creep into unrestricted free agency, 694 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: he leaves and signs a very very friendly contract for 695 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: a starting franchise quarterback in this league with Seattle. That 696 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: was a gift for the Seahawks. And meanwhile the Vikings 697 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: are trying to find the rudder here to keep their 698 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: ship afloat. 699 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm curious, how curious how some of these 700 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: games are are going to turn out. But as far 701 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: as Packers fans are concerned, if you know you're cheering 702 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: against the Bears, cheering against Seattle, those teams are on 703 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: the road. So you know, maybe Packer's got some good 704 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: results across the league last week, you hope maybe for 705 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: some for some other good ones, even though you kind 706 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: of have to cheer for the Vikings this week, you 707 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: know you'd like to see the Lions take a loss. 708 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: But that one, I would say is probably the least 709 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: likely that maybe you would go in Green Bay's favor. 710 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll talk about it on Tuesday. My other prediction, 711 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: by the way Joe Flacco plays against Chicago. 712 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: You think he's gonna play all right, He's. 713 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: Forty years old. We don't know how much time he 714 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: has left. You saw the winterly this season with Browning. 715 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna take something, really, I think they're 716 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: gonna have to keep him off that field to not play. Yeah, 717 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: especially being Backinstinci. 718 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you may be right. All right, Well with that, 719 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: we will call it a rap on this edition of 720 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage 721 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: of the team and of Sunday's game from lambeau Field 722 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: against the Carolina Panthers. We will have it all for 723 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: you on Packers dot Com for Wes, I am Mike. 724 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will see you 725 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: next time.