1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink sitting 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: down with Cliffton Brown, and we are going to talk 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: about the best competitions going into Ravens training camp. We've 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: been doing a written series on the website about this, 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: and now we're bringing to you in podcasts form and 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: talk about which competition is the best, who has the 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: leg up right now, and how we see this playing 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: out as training camp unfold. So Cliff, let's start on 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. I want to talk 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: to you about where you think the best competitions are 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: going into training camp. Which position are you watching the most? 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Would you say, I mean, you know, right off the 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: top of my head, offensive line, you know, with three 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: starting spots up for grabs for a Super Bowl contender, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: that is unusual. And then obviously the importance of getting 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: that unit together when you have a quarterback like Lamar 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: Jackson and you've added a running back like Dereck Henry, 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: right right. 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: I think that's an important point that not a lot 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: of people are talking about. It's like this team is 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: also putting a lot on Derreck Henry and the success 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: of that run game is paramount and like, if you 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: can't block for Derrick Henry. Now, I mean, he got 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the job done in Tennessee and they didn't have a 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: very good offensive line, but still, if that whole thing 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: is gonna work, if that plan is gonna work, blocking 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: well in the run game for him is important. 28 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: It is. 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's the number one spot when you 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: talk about competition that I'm looking at. 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's let's let's pause there and say, how 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: do you size it up now? Like I mean, obviously 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: there's there's left guard, right guard, right tackle. If you're 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: picking the leaders in the clubhouse right now, what do 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: you think leaders? 36 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: Right now? 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Would say left guard Andrew Voyes would be my leader. 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: Right tackle I would say Roger roseen Garten okay, and 39 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: then right guard I would say Ben Cleveland. But that 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: to me is the one that is really actually both 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: on right guard and right tackle. I'd say Voorhees is 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: a bigger if you did the Havers pole, you know, 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: he would have the bigger lead than the right side. 44 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: The right side to me is really up for grabs 45 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: going into training camp. So yeah, I would give a 46 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: slight airs to Cleveland and Rose and Garden but by 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: no means an ink and even before he's not in ink. 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm really interested to see how that right 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: side at the offensive line shakes out. 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that one is the biggest question mark for me. 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: I think that Josh Jones probably gets one of those spots. 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: That's just my hunch. 53 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: Wouldn't shock me at all. 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they signed him in March veteran. 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: To me, it feels like a John Simpson esque kind 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: of move. Yes, that feels like, well happened. But I 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: agree with you. I think they like Vorhees, I think, 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: and they like you know, they draft Rosy Garden for 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: a reason in the second round, and I think it's 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: only a matter of time until he becomes a starter. 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: Right guard is the toughest one for me at this point, 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: and I could see Josh Gen's winning that competition. 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Right And I will say this, just because you have 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: the job in week one for all of those spots, 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: don't get too comfortable, because I think the competition actually 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: mays stand into the season. I could see it's scenario 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: where they're splitting reps with the Ravens. To me, have 68 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: done with the offensive lineman probably more than any other 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: team in the last couple of years, so they don't 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: think someone's clearly won the job. You may be sharing 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: reps with someone else until there's a clear cut winner. 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: But I definitely think the coaching staff wants it to 73 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: be settled. Oh for sure, they're in they're a perfect world. 74 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, two or three weeks in the training camp, 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: they'd be able to make a declaration and do it. 76 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: But I don't think that's going to happen. 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: I think that if you're rotating offensive lineman, that's kind 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: of an indictment a little bit on what you have. Right, 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: If you have five guys that you feel great about, 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: you don't rotate your offensive lineman. Right. No continuity, the 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: playing together, the jel, the gelling that happens on that 82 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: offensive line are all things that contribute to having a 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: better offensive line. You want to you want to foster 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: those things. And so I agree with you. The Ravens 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: want five starts to grab the bull by the horns 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: and say I'm the guy and it's no question, let's go. 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: Let's go, and then you roll you hopefully stay healthy, 88 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: you roll through the season with that if the Ravens, 89 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: But I agree with you at this point, I'm I'm 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: not I don't know how early that's gonna happen. Training 91 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: camp will change things. I do think that, like we 92 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: haven't seen a really good indication yet, and so there's 93 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot of handwringing going on, maybe prematurely, right like, 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: let's at least get in the training camp when these 95 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: guys can actually practice full go and see what we have. 96 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what the coaches are feeling 97 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: right now, and US fans are all very concerned because 98 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: we're still in kind of we've seen the breakdown process 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: of like this this man sling of last year's line, 100 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: and we haven't really gotten a good look at Okay, 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: here's what it looks the rebuild looks like right there's 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: just pieces of names and none of them have a 103 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: ton of experience. So it's a little scary right now. 104 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: But I think we'll get a better indication in training camp, 105 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: will get a better indication in preseason games for sure, 106 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: and hopefully somebody really grabs that. I don't think there's 107 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: a lot of other good competitions on the offensive. On 108 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the offense, like at all, I mean tight end, there's 109 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: not one running back. There's really not one to speak of. 110 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: I mean, once Keaton Mitchell gets back healthy, then there's 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: kind of a question of how many snaps will take 112 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: away from Justice Hill, Rashina Li the rookie, you know, 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: how big a role can he carve out and at 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: what point of the season, and is he back one 115 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: hundred percent? He does he look like the Keaton Mitchell 116 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: of last year. Usually, even once you're back on the field, 117 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: it still takes a little bit of time. So that's 118 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of a wrinkle in the running back room. 119 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Tight Ends like set, I mean wide receiver, there's a 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: back end competition if you're talking about just training camp 121 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: competitions wide receiver for the fifth and sixth spots, it 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: is probably the best on offense. 123 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: Right right, No, I agree, Like the Ravens are pretty 124 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: pretty set, actually very set to me, you know, offensively 125 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: except for the line. You know, the pieces around the 126 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: line look good. Roles are established, and I don't think 127 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: there's gonna be much you know, angst, you know about 128 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: who's doing what. The roles have been pretty much established. 129 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious we talked about tight ends. I 130 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: think it's big for the Ravens to have Mark Andrews 131 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: and Isaiah likely playing very well together. We've seen them 132 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: play well separately, but I think this is a year 133 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: where we need them attacking as a tandem together. That's 134 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: a unique Not many teams can run out two tight 135 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: ends if any like that. And likely showed for sure 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: in big games down the stretch last year that he's 137 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: ready to be He could be a number one tight 138 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: end for many teams. So now that you have two 139 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: guys like that, use them and cause all types of 140 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: matchup problems. So that's one thing I know that you 141 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: know to monk and the coaches don't want to show 142 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: too much during the preseason or you know, even maybe 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: sometimes at practice when we're watching, but when Week one starts, 144 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm really curious to see how much they use two 145 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: tight ends, how they use those guys, and how effective 146 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: they can be attacking other teams in ways that a 147 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: lot of teams can't because they don't have two tight 148 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: ends with that talent. 149 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just round out the offense with the 150 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think at those fifth, sixth spots are 151 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: going to be interesting. Your top four really set with 152 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, Rasha Bateman Nelson Aguiloor and the rookie tes walker. 153 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: Then you're talking you know, Tylan Wallace, Deontay Hardy, you know, 154 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: especially if he wins the returner job, which we haven't 155 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: seen him on the field yet, but he's expected to 156 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: be back for training camp. You're talking about some undrafted 157 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: rookie free agents, Date Wade, You're talking about Sean Ryan 158 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: who was on last year's practice squad. Some interesting guys there. 159 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: How do you kind of look at the back end 160 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: of that wide receiver competition right now? 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Well, it'll definitely be competition, but you know, Tolin Wallace 162 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: was in this position last year and responded very well 163 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: when he the roger's spot was challenged, he clearly. 164 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: He wanted won a spot. 165 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 3: Yep. 166 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: So that to me, Bo's well for his chance, we're 167 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: talking about who's the favorite now, I definitely would put 168 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: him a clear front runner, maybe even be the you know, 169 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: number five receiver. And he played special teams, So with 170 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: his track record here and what he's done in the 171 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: past and his versatility, yeah, i'd say that. 172 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: So if you're trying to make this team. 173 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: As a wide receiver, I would include Wallas as number five. 174 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: You're you're they're really going for that one spot. 175 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: And then of course Hardy he doesn't proven rep track 176 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: record as a returner, so that gives him an edge too. 177 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: So there's somebody's gonna have to whether it's Wait or 178 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: some someone else, is really going to have to come 179 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: out and show a lot unless there's an injury. Well, 180 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: if everyone stays healthy, even that competition, to me, is 181 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: it nearly as ambiguous and up for grabs as the 182 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: offensive line? 183 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, I think there's no argument about the offensive 184 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: line being the best competition on the team. There's no 185 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: argument from that. All right, So that's the offensive competition. 186 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and then we'll come 187 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: back to you with the defensive competitions that we're going 188 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: to be watching when Ravens training camp starts. Thank you 189 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: for listening to Lounge. 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He must be twenty one or older 199 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: to play. All right, So Cliff, let's talk about the 200 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: defensive competitions. I think this one's a little more interesting. 201 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of positions that are up for grabs, 202 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: and I'll start it with the pass rushers. I think 203 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: that's a group to watch as the Ravens are looking 204 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: to really replace the loss of Jadeveon Clowney in free agency. 205 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: We have not seen David Ajabo on the field in 206 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: full action yet, just some positional drills. He's expected to 207 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: be back at some point during training camp. John Harbaal 208 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: didn't have a specific time for that, but he will 209 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: be a key player in all this. The Ravens re 210 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: signed Kyle van Noy. They have ad alf Aoay, who 211 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: you know is entering a big year four is expected 212 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: to really break out. What do you see as the 213 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: competition really here on the off on the outside linebacker room. 214 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: Well, I mean Ojabo is the X factor to me. 215 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we've been waiting for two years. He's been 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: hurt most of the last two years, hasn't had a 217 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: chance to show us what he brings as a player. 218 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: We all know about his talent, but now with Clowney gone, 219 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: to me, it's even a bigger opportunity. 220 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not. 221 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: Gonna say necessity, but yeah, I feel like, yeah, the 222 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: Ravens definitely need to get. 223 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: You know, contribution from Ojaba this shit. 224 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: So it's good to see that he looks like he's 225 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: going to be healthy for training camp. I think he 226 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: needs as many reps as he can get. I love, 227 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: you know, the way that he kind of works when 228 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: he is healthy. I love Coach Smith working with him, 229 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: you know, I think he's a great teacher for him. 230 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: But this is the year where you need me to 231 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: see something from Ojaba. If he gets in that rotation 232 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: and is helping you know alway, you know, and van 233 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: Noy and everyone else on the outside at that spot, 234 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: then yeah, with all the you know, changes the Ravens 235 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: can make, you know, bringing different guys you know on blitzes, 236 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, Kyle Hamilton, and I definitely feel that the. 237 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: Ravens will be able to create. 238 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: Pass rush mismatches, whether they have one guy who's leading 239 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: the way or not. You know, you have a guy 240 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: like Matdabike up front who you know can bring so 241 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: much pressure from inside, but to get back to the 242 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: outside linebackers, I think Gojabo is the guy going into 243 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: camp that I'm most curious about because we haven't seen him. 244 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: He had so much potential and if he were to 245 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: bring that juice, I think that would be you know, 246 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: really advantageous for the Ravens defense. 247 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: I think that it's interesting to think about the roles 248 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: that different guys are going to play, you know, not necessarily. 249 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: It's not like the offensive line where it's like you 250 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: have the starters and that's who plays, right, Like you 251 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: rotate your outside linebackers and who's in what role, who's 252 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: taking what kind of the snap share? Right? I mean 253 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: Adafe always the guy. He's supposed to be the lead 254 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: dog in that room, and he's gonna be play the 255 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: most snaps and and you know he's playing run downs, 256 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: he's playing passing downs, all that stuff. You know, so 257 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: who's spelling him? Because when you when you're talking about 258 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: bass package run defensive guys I mean, I think Tavius 259 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Robinson in year two is really that player, right, you 260 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: want to and and Kyle Vannoy has even said, you know, 261 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: here in Baltimore, Rye role is to rush the past. 262 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: That's what I do. And he likes that role. He 263 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: feels like that's what, you know, enabled him to have 264 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: a career. Your last year is like they he came 265 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: in here and they say go get the quarterback and 266 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: and he did, and he did a good job of it. 267 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: And he's a versatile player. He can drop back and 268 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: coverage and stuff, you know, when needed. And you know 269 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: they can they can play around with him. But that's 270 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: what his role is here. That's what David Java's role 271 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: is primarily too. So it's kind of interesting to think about, 272 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, David Java, is he is he competing for 273 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: a starting job? Is he competing for just you know, 274 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: who's he taking snaps away from when he comes on 275 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: the field. That's a question for me. 276 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that's an interesting point. Agreed. 277 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: But I think in a if it works out the 278 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: way the Ravens wanted to, Ojabo would be at the 279 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: least a pass rushing specialist who may take some snaps 280 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: from van Ney, but in the long run it may 281 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: help van Ney be even fresher. 282 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of wonder, like, is Vanuy van 283 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Ney almost helped bridge the gap to a Jabo? Like 284 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: can you count on a Jabo week one, coming off 285 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: a knee and previously an achilles to be that guy 286 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: that's asking a lot? Like I think that's part of 287 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: the reason that van Ney was brought back, was all right, 288 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: we know what van Ney is. You know, he's now 289 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: in his thirties, you know, and really you want a 290 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Jaba to be the guy ultimately, but van Ney can, 291 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: at least until a Jaba's back has his legs under him, 292 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: be that guy. I think almost he replaces. I don't 293 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: know that anybody really is in the same mold as 294 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: Tavius Robinson, but a Jabo I think as the season 295 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: goes on, ideally you want him probably taking more snaps 296 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: someway from van Noy, which keeps van Ney fresher. Now 297 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: everybody's fresh and you're just rolling waves at him. 298 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: Right, I agree with that. I think that's the plan. 299 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, oh way, he had the kind of year 300 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: last year that you wanted to see. He took that 301 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: step uh and I expect that to continue. I think 302 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: he's it's coming together for old Way, So I don't 303 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: have any doubt that he's going. I think he's gonna 304 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: have his best season. But yeah, the the question, Yeah, 305 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: the biggest question is Ojabo. And yes, if he's a 306 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: factor consistently as a pass rusher, they'll figure out the 307 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: rest of it. 308 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 3: You know. 309 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: The bigger problem would be if he's not and vany 310 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: really put up are you going? You know, van Neid 311 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: will tell you right now that he can. You know, 312 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: he's he's one of his goals, double digit sacks, and 313 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: he may I'm not gonna bet against him, but he 314 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: is a year older and you always want to see 315 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: your young players develop. And again this is this is 316 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: the year I think where you know, it needs to 317 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: happen for Ojabo to get to where he has the 318 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: potential to get to, and he needs to start this year. 319 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: And I think two other young players that we should 320 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: talk about here, Adisa Isaac third round pick rookie Really, 321 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, is he a guy who kind of helps 322 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: We haven't seen him on the field. He got he 323 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: got injured in rookie mini camp, but can he take 324 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: some of this share off, you know, give Odafe a breather, 325 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: play that kind of rush linebacker. I mean, this is 326 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: a guy who I think his run defense is Tanasi 327 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: is a run defense defender. The Ravens are hoping to 328 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: see that from him, but he you know, get after 329 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks too, you know, do they kind of use him 330 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: in that rush linebacker role. He's got a similar size, 331 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: similar billd o Dafe. I mean he's one inch shorter 332 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: and four pounds later. But Penn State guys, you look 333 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: at him, I mean kind of freakish looking athletes, always 334 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: in his category of his own in that regard, but 335 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: can is Thesa is going to kind of be in 336 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: that kind of role. I mean certainly always going to 337 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: play the vast majority of those nafs. It's a lot 338 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: to expect from a rookie, but Tavi's Robinson l a 339 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: lot of snaps as a rookie. So dece Isaac needs 340 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: a good training camp to really forge it. Get a 341 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: role there. And then if Ojabo doesn't, you know, take 342 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: the step that we're all hoping or health, you know, 343 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: isn't there as good as we're hoping all that stuff, 344 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: which I think it will be maleek Ham is a 345 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: player that I'm interested in is just go in there 346 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: and hey, pitting your years back and go get them 347 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: like that. He's got some juice he does. And I 348 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: like Malik. He's a player that made the fifty three 349 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: men roster last year and then you know, injury kind 350 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: of gave him a red shirt season. But here's another 351 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: pass rush specialists for quote unquote, you know a guy 352 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: who can get after the quarterback that I'm intrigued by. 353 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he should. As you mentioned, he has a town, 354 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: he has the tools, so and I think he's a 355 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 2: guy who will get a lot of reps you know, preseason. 356 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: He'll get an opportunity to impress. So if you're him, 357 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 2: that's what's exactly what you want to do. Press and 358 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: if he does at that spot, I think his chance 359 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: is if he has if the leak am has a 360 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: really good training camp in preseason, then yeah, I think 361 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: that he they'll find a way to have him on 362 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: the roster. 363 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: Yep. 364 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you don't part with pass rushers with potential. 365 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: That's right, exactly, yep, exactly. Well, I don't think there's 366 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: much of a competition inside linebacker. I mean you obviously 367 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: you know have ro Kwon, Trenton Simpson's going to be 368 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: next to him. Really backup roles, Josh Ross, you know, 369 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: Chris Board. Those are kind of the leading candidates there. 370 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Malik Harrison's kind of a hybrid linebacker, inside linebacker, outside linebacker. 371 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: He'll he'll have a spot on the fifty three. Obviously 372 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: re signed, He'll be an important part as a rotational 373 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: player and special teams player. The defensive line is pretty 374 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: much said. I mean, everybody's back from last year. I 375 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: expect Travis Sends to take a bigger role, have a 376 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: bigger role this year, get more snaps, whether that means 377 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: just a little less for Michael Pierce and keeping Michael 378 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Pierce fresher or what. I think. Brady also is looking 379 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: for kind of a rebound year, and I expect him 380 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: to have it. He's in great shape, so not much 381 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: of a competition so much on the defensive line, but 382 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: cornerback is an interesting one in particular. You know, I 383 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: think if Marlin's healthy, then he and Brandon Stevens are 384 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the starters. But how long until Nate Wiggins is a 385 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: starter is the question. What do you think, Cliff, I 386 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: mean it. 387 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: Could happen at some point this season. He's looked the 388 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: part of a first round pick who should have gone 389 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: higher than he did and doesn't look like anything phases him. 390 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: I love the length, the competitiveness, the speed. So yes, 391 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: I mean, if, if, certainly, if there's an end, he could. 392 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: He's the type of guy who when he gets a 393 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: chance to start. 394 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: I don't think he's going backwards. Yeah, you know, he 395 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: just strikes me as one of those. 396 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: Guys like, yeah, he may he may not be a 397 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: starter this year, but whenever it happens, he's not giving 398 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: back the keys I just had. 399 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: He just he's just really competitive. 400 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, but as things stands now, I love Brandon Stevens, 401 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: the year he had last year, his kind of just 402 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 2: dog get toughness, fearlessness. 403 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: I think he's in trench. I think Marlon. 404 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: Humphrey's really driven this year to show people that, you know, 405 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: he is still an elite corner U. 406 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: He knows it. 407 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: He's said, he's talked about things that he's read about 408 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: himself that he thinks people are dissing him a little bit. 409 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: And he is such a competitive guy and he wasn't 410 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: healthy last year. I think Marlin's going to play well 411 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: this year, so right now, yeah, I think Marlon and 412 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: Brandon Stevens would keep Nate in a position starting the 413 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: season where he's on the field, but he's not the 414 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: quote unquote starter. And but then, as I know we're 415 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: going to talk about the nickel position, that's where it 416 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: really gets interesting. 417 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean there's so many candidates to 418 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: play nickel. I mean, Kyle Hamilton, that was his primary position. 419 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: Last year. He played more snaps in nickel than he 420 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: did a free safety or strong safety. And so you're 421 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: not gonna that's not gonna shrink to zero. I think 422 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: that Kyle Hamilton's probably gonna play more, you know, high 423 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: end safety, all that stuff. But part of what makes 424 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: him such a dynamic player, one of the best defensive 425 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: players in the league, is that he can play everywhere 426 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: and he can do everything, and so you don't take 427 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: that away from him. And at the same time, the 428 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: Ravens re signed our through Malette for a reason, scrapy 429 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: veteran who had a strong, you know, first year here 430 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I thought, yeah, yeah, and just just a 431 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: good player, you know. And then they also if you're 432 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: talking about Nate Wiggins getting on the field, Well, does 433 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: that mean Marlin or Brandon come off or does that 434 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: mean Marlin slides inside to Nickel where we've seen him 435 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: play a considerable amount of time earlier in his career 436 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: years ago, and play it well, he's well suited for it. 437 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: Now you want to keep Marlin healthy and you know 438 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: there's this more big bodies flying around in there. I 439 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: think Marlon likes it, you know, he enjoys it. But 440 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: when you had a year you know that got kind 441 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: of derailed or at least hampered by injuries last year, 442 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: do you want to sign up for that kind of 443 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: stuff again? I don't know. He might see the writing 444 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: on the wall and say, Nate Wiggins is coming, and 445 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: so I'm, you know, to help the team, Like this 446 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: is where I can help the team, and you get 447 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: the three best corners on the field at the same time. 448 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: So it's that's gonna be really interesting. I mean, I 449 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: could see just a revolving door and kind of a 450 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: competition for better Like you know, Kyle Hamilton is not 451 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: in any part of a competition, and they just he'll 452 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: play where the coach is sell him the play. You know, 453 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: he's not competing with anybody out there. He'll be on 454 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: the field or he'll be on the field right all 455 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: the time, Yes, exactly so like but how that shakes 456 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: out with who plays what percentage of the snaps in 457 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: that third kind of cornerback role will be very interesting. 458 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 3: It will be. 459 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 1: And then you have Pepe, you have some other guys 460 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: that are legit nicols too, you. 461 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: Know, right, That's why I was going to get to 462 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: guys like Pepe and Jalen armor Davis. 463 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: He's an outside corners and I think he's in like 464 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: a reserve competition outside he is, but like there's a 465 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: big year for him. Yeah, it's a big year for 466 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: he and Pepe, just in terms of making the fifty three. 467 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: That's the point I'm making, right, Yeah, do you have 468 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: a role? Can you earn a role wherever it is? 469 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: Yep? 470 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: I mean both of those guys unfortunately injuries have been 471 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 2: a problem, right and now, I mean I can't I 472 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: don't remember a year at this point where they're coming 473 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: in the Ravens are coming in this deep at corner. 474 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean TJ. Tampa, the rookie fourth round pick, he's 475 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: like kind of the new you know, Jaeling Armor Davison 476 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: A way right, here's that he was a fourth round 477 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: pick and now it's like, oh, this guy's competing with me, 478 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: you know. I mean they are really deep at corner, 479 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: really deep in corner. 480 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 481 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: I don't remember a year coming in in August where 482 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: they're this deep. I mean now, unfortunately sometimes I've been years, 483 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: but they look pretty deep. 484 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: And then two weeks in it's got three guys. 485 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: Hurt and knocking. What that doesn't happen? 486 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: Right? 487 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 2: But they have certainly fortified themselves for sure, at a 488 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: position that they value highly and think they should. I mean, 489 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: and this you know, you're going against Joe Burrow and 490 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson. 491 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable how they've remade that room. I mean 492 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: even you got back a year ago at this point, 493 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: and the Ravens did not draft a corner whichever thought 494 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: they were gonna draft one very early. They didn't draft 495 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: from one until Kyue Blue Kelly and what the fifth 496 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: I think it was. And you know before that they 497 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: had Sean Wade. It didn't work out, and then you 498 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: know they were forced to sign these veterans Rocky scene 499 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: last year. Ronald Darby later the signings that worked out, 500 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: especially Darby. But now you look at it and oh 501 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: my gosh, you know you got TJ. Tampa, Nay Wiggins, 502 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: you got these other young corners, like you know, Brandon 503 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: Stevens has emerged. Like now you've got this just bevy 504 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: of young talent in that room all of a sudden. 505 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 3: It's a good it's not a problem. It's a good 506 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 3: place to. 507 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: Be exactly exactly. And then the other competition I just 508 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: want to point to on the defense side of the ball, 509 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: is that safety, the third safety role replacing Geno Stone. 510 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: All of these are like who's the replacement for ex 511 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: player that left the free agency? Because there's been so 512 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: many and I think Ardarius Washington is certainly the leader 513 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse there. I don't know that it's too 514 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: much of a competition at this point, it seems. 515 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 2: I don't think so, because they have so much versatility 516 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: back there. Yeah, it's obviously you know, Marcus and Kyle 517 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: two tremendous safeties. Yeah, I mean Washington, I don't think 518 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: there's angst that Okay, even if he's just a guy 519 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: and there's not you know, a lot of death behind him. 520 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: They have plenty of ways to mix and match. You know, 521 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: it was great to have a number three safety like 522 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: Geno Stone, but you know they had they used three 523 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: safeties a lot last year. I think, you know, they're 524 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: gonna be more situations where they could used three corners 525 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: more often. And they have so much corner death that 526 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: we just talked about, they can do that. So even 527 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: if they're in a situation where they want more than 528 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: two safeties on the field or two guys who cover 529 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: like safeties, they can have to put a third corner 530 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: out there and or put our Darius out there. And 531 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: I think our Darius has played well enough during this 532 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: you know spring and now leading into training camp where 533 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: he he's the lead dog. 534 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: For that spot. 535 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: When he played really well at the beginning of last 536 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: season the first two games, then unfortunately he suffered an injury, 537 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: but the first two games he was playing quite well. 538 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: He looks back to that or better. 539 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I agree, and then it's really behind him. 540 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: It's it's more a competition for the fourth safety in 541 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: the spot on the fifty three I think is you 542 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: know Snoosy Kane bo Braid, the undrafted rookie out of 543 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: Maryland who wins that. I mean, obviously Snoosey Kane was 544 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: a draft pick, so he would have the leg up. 545 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, there's some other guys in that competition. I 546 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: think was Jordan Toles for more, Jordan Tolls from Morgan 547 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: State in the spring. He flashed, he flashed. He's in 548 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: that competition. That the competition, and a lot of that 549 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: comes down to special teams, I think, for a reserve 550 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: safety role a big part of it. So who emerges 551 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: is in that emerges from that competition I think will 552 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: be interesting because I do think that they will carry 553 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: for safeties right for sure. 554 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, you shine on special teams and you shine 555 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: having a nose for the football yep. I mean even 556 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: as a rookie and a couple of years, you know, 557 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: Geno Stone was one of those guys. 558 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: He always had a nose for the football yep. 559 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: And then people thought, well, you know it's just please 560 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: see it never stopped like he still has a note 561 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: for yep, yep, yep. You know, if Rady or Tolls 562 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: could be one of those type guys. 563 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Yep, they could definitely win. That's almost a wide open competition. 564 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Susie, you have to give the edge because 565 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: he's a seventh round pick. But that's a seventh round pick, right, 566 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: You're not that far ahead of the undrafted guys, So 567 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: that competition for the forest safety spot is pretty wide open. 568 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: I would say, yep, that will be Those are the 569 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: competitions that we are looking forward to as we near 570 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: training camp. Players are starting to report this week. It's 571 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: an exciting time. Veterans are still a week away, but 572 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: things are starting to happen here under our performance center, 573 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: so we're getting excited for training camp. As always, make 574 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: sure you're subscribed. Leave a rating and review for us. 575 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: It's been a little while since we've gotten some of those, 576 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: so leave that for us. Thank you for listening. We'll 577 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: be back with you later.