Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, how are you. It's been so long.
Speaker 2: I know, I was excited. I feel so big time.
Speaker 2: When I have certain people on, it's weird. I can't
Speaker 2: explain it because usually I'm just like ranting talking about
Speaker 2: bullshit like tuna fish. And then there's someone that I'm
Speaker 2: like excited about because I only swear in my life.
Speaker 2: I only have people on when i'm excited about them.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to talk to you. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: have a big talk.
Speaker 3: I feel like so much has changed for both of
Speaker 3: us and to be last met and like you are
Speaker 3: like now the TikToker, the TikToker, Like you're moving and
Speaker 3: you're just like in this amazing era and you're just
Speaker 3: like killing it and you're so I mean, I know
Speaker 3: social media doesn't tell the whole truth, but you seem
Speaker 3: very inflow and very happy right.
Speaker 2: Now in the pocket.
Speaker 1: It's very cool to see. Thank you.
Speaker 2: No, let's do our perspectives about each other and then
Speaker 2: let's correct them. Let's do that. That's fun. Okay, So okay,
Speaker 2: first of all, I don't think I knew last time
Speaker 2: it was Christina Najar that that's your name.
Speaker 3: That's my real name. Yes, and I gave myself to
Speaker 3: Tanks the nickname when I was like twelve long sto.
Speaker 2: Oh, I did know that. I do remember that. I
Speaker 2: actually do remember. I forgot that. I remember that.
Speaker 3: Wait a second, So who calls you Christina? Like my
Speaker 3: parents and that's kind of it. My parents and a
Speaker 3: few friends maybe from from high school, but mostly everybody
Speaker 3: calls me Tinks.
Speaker 2: Right, and also like you kind of don't have a
Speaker 2: last name, which is like me, and that's very cool.
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's easy, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it works. It's easy. It's four letters, you know,
Speaker 1: one and done.
Speaker 2: So that's a good question. If someone meets you on
Speaker 2: an airplane, all right, so you meet like a really
Speaker 2: successful like mobil baller guy who's like a big player
Speaker 2: but doesn't know anything about this world, and like you're
Speaker 2: smart in your edge.
Speaker 1: Justina all the way, I'm like, Hi, I'm Christina.
Speaker 2: Okay, but like then, even more, what do you do
Speaker 2: for a living? Now you're gonna be like I'm an
Speaker 2: influencecause he's gonna think you're some thought dope.
Speaker 1: It's tough and I don't know.
Speaker 2: At me, I'm in my fifties. Can you imagine me fel.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a TikToker. They're like what.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm not ashamed, and I know
Speaker 3: you aren't either of being an influencer whatsoever. I love
Speaker 3: it and I think it's amazing, but there is some
Speaker 3: judgment if people don't live in this world and they
Speaker 3: don't know, there are preconceived notions. So I say, like,
Speaker 3: I have a radio show first, because I feel like
Speaker 3: if they don't live in the world, it's true.
Speaker 1: And I can go in.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, and I do a little influencing
Speaker 3: on the side, you know, kind of interest edge them
Speaker 3: into it, versus just come out and be like I
Speaker 3: talked to my phone for eight hours a day.
Speaker 2: Well no, but it's more that like saying influencer. It's
Speaker 2: even worse at your age because it sounds very like,
Speaker 2: of course you are you want to buy like anel bag? Yes,
Speaker 2: thirty something years old, you want me to take you
Speaker 2: to for me? It sounds insane, But it's different.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's interesting. It's like, why what do
Speaker 3: you mean you're a TikToker? Like that's so cool, very weird. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's cool, but it's Christina to guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Ristina to guys, So, how has it evolved
Speaker 2: since last time? So you've had ebbs, you've had flows,
Speaker 2: You've had cancelations, you've popped off, you know, like what's real,
Speaker 2: what's not real? Like, tell me about the state of
Speaker 2: the union, address of this career where you are, what
Speaker 2: you've learned, and like how it's going.
Speaker 3: It's funny. It's really a different job than I thought
Speaker 3: it was. And there's so much more ebbing and flowing
Speaker 3: than I thought. And you kind of have to like
Speaker 3: take your lumps and you kind of have to ride
Speaker 3: the wave through it and survive it and be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I didn't die. Like it was bad, but I didn't die,
Speaker 3: and I'm still here and I still you know, I'm
Speaker 3: still creating things and it's okay. So I've been an
Speaker 3: influencer for five years now. I started in COVID. It's
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, coming up. Five years. I think that
Speaker 3: I'm sort of ready to start a new era of
Speaker 3: my career, leaning more heavily into bigger projects like the
Speaker 3: book and you know, it's being made into a TV
Speaker 3: show and I'm an executive producer and these are things
Speaker 3: that really interest me because I still love to share online,
Speaker 3: but I'm just kind of looking to do bigger.
Speaker 2: Deeper, deeper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wish that I was more business minded
Speaker 3: like you, like, trust me, I think for thirty minutes
Speaker 3: a day, what's my skinny girl? Like, I really do think,
Speaker 3: because I would love to do a project of that size,
Speaker 3: but I'm not. It's just not like that natural to
Speaker 3: me business. I'm more of like a, Oh I have
Speaker 3: an idea for a movie. Oh, I have an idea
Speaker 3: for a show. I have an idea for a book.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm leaning into. I'm trying to lean
Speaker 3: into what I'm good at, and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: How old are you?
Speaker 1: Thirty four?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still very very right. I mean I didn't
Speaker 2: become I was broke until I was late thirties, and
Speaker 2: it all sort of like comes together. It's case law
Speaker 2: and so like you're just like sort of I took
Speaker 2: a bartending class after college, and I went to acting
Speaker 2: and I then produced large scale events where like the
Speaker 2: Emmys the Grammys, and would coordinate all the food and
Speaker 2: beverage and the lighting and the sound. All these things
Speaker 2: have somehow come into like my house renovation projects, my
Speaker 2: ability to pull thanks to together, I produce things like
Speaker 2: it's sort of all like converges and then it gets concentrated,
Speaker 2: but you can sort of be nimble and shift it.
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't planning any of this a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, like this was. I was planning towards sort
Speaker 2: of semi retiring, just doing what I wanted. This is
Speaker 2: com I was talking to my best friends since high
Speaker 2: school last night because we were talking about hacks, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, is that not me? In twenty years? So
Speaker 2: I'm going to be in a Rolls Royce like negotiating
Speaker 2: for a figurine in some store. But it actually isn't
Speaker 2: me because I'm not like her or Joan Rivers, where
Speaker 2: I define my life by the calendar and how full
Speaker 2: it is. And I said, when the tables go cold,
Speaker 2: I'm walking out, like I'm totally cool. I'm only doing
Speaker 2: this because the tables are hot.
Speaker 3: No, you're doing it because it's working. It's fun and
Speaker 3: like you're doing it and that's why it works. I
Speaker 3: think it's like it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 3: That's why it keeps working. Is because you're like you
Speaker 3: could take it or leave it. You're just exactly exactly
Speaker 3: and like that shows and like when people need it
Speaker 3: too much, you can tell and people are like, eh, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I think that's why it's worked and it's very cool.
Speaker 3: Like I think about you all the time. I think
Speaker 3: about how you know it came together for you. I
Speaker 3: think about having your daughter all of that, Like it
Speaker 3: does inspire me and I think about it. I'm always like,
Speaker 3: last time I did your pod, you were like, oh,
Speaker 3: You've still got so much time, And I'm like, I
Speaker 3: hope she tells me that again, because I feel it's o'clock, sticken.
Speaker 2: No, beyond beyond time. But also I feel like you
Speaker 2: are there's a more relaxedness about you too. It feels
Speaker 2: like you popped off. It was the biggest thing in
Speaker 2: the entire universe. You leveled out. You had like a
Speaker 2: rough moment which I messaged you about. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 2: like you're more comfortable in your skin. Like you're just
Speaker 2: like this is what this is and it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to I don't know if they hit a home run
Speaker 2: every day, but I I and I could get get
Speaker 2: banged up, but like we're here, like you said, the
Speaker 2: store is going to open every day, and this is
Speaker 2: like it just doesn't seem it's just an energy and
Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong. You're just like, this is
Speaker 2: what I want to talk about. This is what I
Speaker 2: find interesting. As niche as it is. I'm not forcing it,
Speaker 2: I'm not pushing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. It just takes some time.
Speaker 3: And like, honestly, in a weird way, like being canceled
Speaker 3: did kind of level me out because I was so
Speaker 3: like I was like breathing, like the la I needed everything.
Speaker 3: I needed to go to every party. I was obsessed,
Speaker 3: I was missing you know.
Speaker 1: It was just like it felt like if it went away,
Speaker 1: I would die.
Speaker 3: And it did go away for a couple months, and
Speaker 3: I like learned who my real friends are and I
Speaker 3: really learned how that would all work. And then I
Speaker 3: came back and I was like, you know, you kind
Speaker 3: of recalibrate and you figure out what matters and you
Speaker 3: figure out how it goes, and it's like it is
Speaker 3: a job at the end of the day. It's like
Speaker 3: before I think I was like this is I breathe
Speaker 3: it it's my life, Like my phone is first like
Speaker 3: everything for the.
Speaker 1: Story, and now I'm like, it's a job.
Speaker 3: I love my followers very much, I love making content
Speaker 3: for them, but at the end of the day, the Internet,
Speaker 3: it's a job and I'm going to do what I
Speaker 3: am going to do and if people like it, that's great,
Speaker 3: and if not, then that's okay too.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I just thought that you said
Speaker 2: that it leveled you out because you didn't really know
Speaker 2: that the wolves are always at the end of the bed.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Tim dill in the Comedian about
Speaker 2: this last night because I have no I really don't
Speaker 2: have fear, but I'm not going to jump on the
Speaker 2: sun for no reason. I've said things in my career
Speaker 2: that like I could have said another way, like it
Speaker 2: literally didn't need to be said, or just say it
Speaker 2: a different way, or asked the question to other people.
Speaker 2: It's nothing to do with fear. It's just like it
Speaker 2: wasn't my hill to die and who cared? But the
Speaker 2: thing that I said that could cause me so much problems.
Speaker 2: And I fly very close to the sun, Like there's
Speaker 2: something about politics I want to talk about today, and
Speaker 2: like I'm thinking my team and be like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck do you need to be doing that now, but
Speaker 2: like whatever, fuck it, I want to do it, so
Speaker 2: I try to fly close, but I don't need to
Speaker 2: be on the sun. But if things are going too well,
Speaker 2: and it's not that I'm like negative or bet against myself,
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I get uncomfortable. The way that
Speaker 2: you described what you're going on in LA that sounds
Speaker 2: to me like being on a very dangerous role, coach.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I was just invited to the
Speaker 2: derby to do everything properly the whole entire weekend, and
Speaker 2: I grew up going to the races, but like had
Speaker 2: to scrounge for to get things, and like now it's
Speaker 2: like of course, like elite and VIP. I don't like
Speaker 2: it when it's too much and too much of me,
Speaker 2: and when it's too good and too liked, like I
Speaker 2: don't like it. I'm a comfortable because the wolves are
Speaker 2: at the fucking end of the bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that phrase where it's like the devil comes
Speaker 3: for you at your highest moment, and it's like true,
Speaker 3: it's like you're riding high, like everything feels amazing, and
Speaker 3: then it's like boom, and it's like you kind of
Speaker 3: have to not be always looking over your shoulder, but
Speaker 3: like to your point, you kind of have to know
Speaker 3: it's there and just be like okay, like it is
Speaker 3: what it is. And that's why you need to do
Speaker 3: exactly what you want. You need to pick the fights
Speaker 3: you want to fight and leave the shit that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: But you're fearless, Like I think about you all the time,
Speaker 3: like in your comments, like you're so funny. You just
Speaker 3: talk right back to people and you're just like you
Speaker 3: don't give a shit. You're just like you're like you'll
Speaker 3: or whatever. And I'm like, yes, like I'm dying for
Speaker 3: it because you don't care. And and by the way,
Speaker 3: that's why this is awkward. You're still here, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: because because very few people are just like, yeah, like
Speaker 3: this is what I think, and it's okay to talk
Speaker 3: about these things.
Speaker 1: We're all gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: We're very much in a time where it's like people
Speaker 3: don't even say their opinion anymore, which is why I
Speaker 3: think we've gotten to this place, by the way, this
Speaker 3: extreme place where everyone's like can't even have a conversation
Speaker 3: without qualifying sixty things exactly.
Speaker 4: That's so, and it's okay. And that's okay exactly. You know,
Speaker 4: you can say like I don't like this TV show.
Speaker 4: It's all right, and people are like, but why did
Speaker 4: you right? Sometimes you just don't like something. And by
Speaker 4: the way, I think that we were all a lot
Speaker 4: happier when we were living in a time when you
Speaker 4: could say I like that, that's not for me whatever.
Speaker 4: Now we kind of find a weird moralizing thing. But
Speaker 4: behind everything we can't. We don't think it's proper to
Speaker 4: just say, actually, don't like that actor. He's not for me.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, you know, twenty years ago he
Speaker 4: said this and he had a dog that you know,
Speaker 4: blah blah.
Speaker 1: And exactly just say you don't like him. It's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's couched in such bullshit because we're supposed
Speaker 2: to use your voice. You have a voice to use it.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: You can't use your voice. You have to be muzzled.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the thing is, there was a movie years
Speaker 2: ago Sandra Bullock's speed when she had to keep the
Speaker 2: bus at fifty five miles an hour, couldn't go higher
Speaker 2: or lower, everyone would die. And that's kind of a
Speaker 2: little bit what it's like meaning when you go through
Speaker 2: something like a cancelation or something is really bad. I
Speaker 2: don't know who I said this to, but you have
Speaker 2: to hold on to the steering ael but you cannot
Speaker 2: hold on too tight. But you cannot let go right.
Speaker 2: You can't like go hide under a rock, but you
Speaker 2: can't like go hard in the paint. You're kind of
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: You kind of just have to go through it. You
Speaker 1: kind of just have to go through.
Speaker 3: And by the way, when I was canceled, I thought,
Speaker 3: like all the people that I was jealous of, I thought,
Speaker 3: they'll never get canceled, They'll never get canceled. I made
Speaker 3: this little list in my mind. You know, every single
Speaker 3: one of them has been through some cancelationship. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: nobody's safe. They're gonna find something. They're gonna keep fucking deeper.
Speaker 2: So you know it's cancelation is so canceled. No one's
Speaker 2: it's not. Cancelation is fucking canceled. Okay, But this is
Speaker 2: the bigger moment. The amount you learned through something negative
Speaker 2: is so much more valuable than like you need. Like
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. There's something that I was just dealing with
Speaker 2: with my daughter and like it will define her. And
Speaker 2: it's like I thrive on how to deal with something
Speaker 2: in a crisis with all this relief work and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. Like I'm just good in a crisis and
Speaker 2: I don't want to have that experience.
Speaker 1: Believe me.
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm saying, like I'm a I have
Speaker 2: a death wish. I'm saying, but like when it clicks in,
Speaker 2: it's a puzzle and I can always figure out how
Speaker 2: to like navigate it, how to like drive on that road.
Speaker 2: And it is a skill set and it's so helpful
Speaker 2: for things in life that really matter, family matters, for
Speaker 2: financial matters, health matters, whatever. Like these things are like
Speaker 2: you have to take a deep breath, pay attention to
Speaker 2: how you're navigating somebody, because there are many ways to
Speaker 2: go and they all sometimes my good ideas. You think this,
Speaker 2: you think that the other thing, But like I pride
Speaker 2: myself on being like making that right decision, and that's
Speaker 2: because of a series of you know, difficult things. So
Speaker 2: that's what's really good. Then you're like fuck it, Nope,
Speaker 2: this is bad. We're all in fucking mode. Now let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is the basis of what you were discussing over
Speaker 2: all life.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of what I talk about is
Speaker 3: how to navigate this new era that we're going through,
Speaker 3: navigate dating as best I can. Again, I'm not an expert.
Speaker 3: I just have found a way.
Speaker 2: What isn't that there is no expert there, there's literally
Speaker 2: no expert.
Speaker 1: But I have like the little.
Speaker 3: Tips and tricks to like not make yourself go crazy,
Speaker 3: and and and then also I just give like advice
Speaker 3: and people are like, what qualifies you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you something. Common sense is not
Speaker 1: that common.
Speaker 3: I think that people call my radio show because they
Speaker 3: think generally I have pretty good manners and I can
Speaker 3: kind of figure out we can do.
Speaker 1: You could have a good situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could also have a good communication start.
Speaker 2: I had wrote a book called Naturally Thin, and my
Speaker 2: ex was like, you need to go become a nutritionist
Speaker 2: to write this book. I'm like, no, I'm a person
Speaker 2: that food noise exactly. I invented the term food noise
Speaker 2: and people were battling me in my own comments about
Speaker 2: food is like, yeah, hi, I'm the first person ever
Speaker 2: used it. It was when the dinosaurs walkfe or some
Speaker 2: other person regurgitated it. So shut the fuck up and
Speaker 2: sit down. But the point was I wasn't a nutritionist.
Speaker 2: I was a person that was noisy about it. What
Speaker 2: d what not? Dat I was good? I was bad?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, binged I So you're that of dating. Okay,
Speaker 2: So all right, so let's get into the book and
Speaker 2: the TV show and wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's called Hotter in the Hamptons said in one of
Speaker 3: your favorite places. It's a spicy romance novel. It's an
Speaker 3: easy beach read. It's about an influencer who has a
Speaker 3: spicy summer flang. I did it because I wanted to
Speaker 3: do something creative. I wanted to do something that was like,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's parts of it in there that are
Speaker 3: met because obviously it's an influencer about why not make
Speaker 3: it influencer.
Speaker 1: But it's creative, it's fun, it's spicy.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is influenced by my followers and
Speaker 3: the questions they've asked me. They a lot of them
Speaker 3: have been like, I watch lesbian porn? Is that normal?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, it's normal. A lot of women
Speaker 3: have that fantasy, like of course, really, yeah, So it
Speaker 3: was kind of inspired by my followers asking me that
Speaker 3: and because she has a summer flame with a woman and.
Speaker 2: Wow, Hotter in the Hampton's is the best name.
Speaker 3: Yes ever And I wanted it to be like rich
Speaker 3: mom location like I had. I have this whole idea
Speaker 3: for a series where each book is going to be
Speaker 3: set in a new place that's.
Speaker 2: Rich all this, I want to be in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I want to be in it. I want
Speaker 3: to be in an episode. I'm going to write you
Speaker 3: into the next one for sure.
Speaker 2: And it's going, Wow, that's amazing. Okay, so Hotter in
Speaker 2: the Hampton's And who's doing the TV show and what's happening?
Speaker 2: This is so exciting, so.
Speaker 3: That you're going to be as No, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be an executive producer though, which is so exciting.
Speaker 1: My first time.
Speaker 2: Foster sisters are in it.
Speaker 1: No, they bought the rights, so they're going to make
Speaker 1: it into a TV show. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm so excited. I can't believe it. I'm so
Speaker 3: like they are the moment. They are so smart. I
Speaker 3: worshiped them. I thought their show was ten out of ten.
Speaker 3: Last year, Nobody Wants This was so good and yeah,
Speaker 3: everyone was talking about Yeah so they I mean, I
Speaker 3: still can't believe it, Like I have the most imposing them,
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2: But it totally tracks and it's a perfect trajectory for you.
Speaker 2: Like this is like a real like Sex and the
Speaker 2: City thing. It's totally on brand. Like the one who
Speaker 2: was on the Housewives who did the Sex and the City.
Speaker 2: I can't remember her name, you know she was on this, Candace.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Candace ye? Yeah yeah right yeah.
Speaker 2: So wait a second, So what happened? You have an agent,
Speaker 2: and your agent packaged it and pitched it. Is that
Speaker 2: how it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we announced the book, we sent it to
Speaker 3: a bunch of different producers, and I couldn't believe it
Speaker 3: that they wanted it and that they were doing it.
Speaker 2: You had this idea when writing the book, You had
Speaker 2: the idea to write a book and make it a
Speaker 2: TV show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, like I thought maybe, I mean, it
Speaker 3: was a pipe dream. I had no idea what actually happen.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'll just see how it goes.
Speaker 3: But I'm really thrilled beyond and I'm excited to just
Speaker 3: do like this bigger project and work on something you
Speaker 3: know that's going to take a year plus. It's like
Speaker 3: I'm used to making videos that are made in five
Speaker 3: minutes and posted immediately, So it's.
Speaker 2: No, yes, but you're very like smart and thorough and
Speaker 2: like that's very that's like more meat on the bone.
Speaker 2: How many episodes? And did it start shooting? And where's
Speaker 2: it going to live?
Speaker 1: We're talking to writers now.
Speaker 3: I'm loving every second because it's just like it's so
Speaker 3: cool to be in these meetings. It's so cool to
Speaker 3: have a seat at the table and to just hear
Speaker 3: how it works.
Speaker 1: And it's really like feeding me.
Speaker 3: I feel like I was ready for like the next thing,
Speaker 3: and it's it's really doing that for me.
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: But it's early, very on brand for you. It's very
Speaker 2: very good. And the good news is that you can
Speaker 2: use the shitty things that happen in the in the book,
Speaker 2: like everything's content, Like Nora Ephron like of course that.
Speaker 1: She gets canceled in the book obviously, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I got.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I got to read it when I'm hot in the
Speaker 2: Hamptons because I remember that you were and you have
Speaker 2: to have your tabasco salad dressing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we have to hang out this summer at
Speaker 3: least once we have to get drunk in the hands together.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You're off alcohol, but you're gonna know.
Speaker 2: I'm back on but not crazy, and i'mant during my
Speaker 2: saki era. We could talk about it later. The Lord's work.
Speaker 1: I love saki.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make saki mainstream.
Speaker 1: Just wait, I love that.
Speaker 2: Just wait. I've decided, and if I decided, it's going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: If you decide, then it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: And if I decide that it's going to be the
Speaker 2: new chicken salad, then it's going to be the new
Speaker 2: chicken salad.