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Speaker 3: what hit the waves, what really pushes that thumbnail in,
Speaker 3: Because how else are we going to learn about what's
Speaker 3: going on out there if we're not sharing, if we're
Speaker 3: not talking. And in fact, today the program we're going
Speaker 3: to be having is all about sharing. I met somebody
Speaker 3: named Shane man Corella and Wow, just really got his
Speaker 3: stuff together, learning and growing and you know, just somebody
Speaker 3: who experienced something and got involved. You know, a lot
Speaker 3: of times people feel like not enough people are really
Speaker 3: getting into this. You know, they look online and they
Speaker 3: find an answer and they're like, oh, well, I'm glad
Speaker 3: I got that answer. You know, we used to have
Speaker 3: these things called meetings where we'd physically have to drive
Speaker 3: and go and sit in a room if we want
Speaker 3: to learn about what was going on with the UFOs,
Speaker 3: what was going on with the paranormal. But yeah, you
Speaker 3: can't sit there and google and find some stuff. So
Speaker 3: we're gonna dive into the conversation with Shane and see
Speaker 3: see what it is that he found out and why
Speaker 3: he got involved the way that he did, got off
Speaker 3: of his seat and took a step. That's incredible, and
Speaker 3: he's pretty darn cool. So I think you're gonna really
Speaker 3: enjoy his conversation. And then some of the things that
Speaker 3: he's experienced as well, so that pushed him over the edge. Now. Also,
Speaker 3: I want to tell you, guys, don't forget to go
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Speaker 3: are always surprised, you know, my goodness, she answered her
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Speaker 3: and I do my best to answer all the emails
Speaker 3: as they come in and put them here on the program,
Speaker 3: because again, it's all about growing, learning, sharing, caring, right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, do that, do that. And also I have
Speaker 3: another website theother F word dot com. It's not a
Speaker 3: bad word. It's faith. Faith, that is it, because finding
Speaker 3: a lot of people are so bashful to say that
Speaker 3: they have any kind of belief in anything. But I
Speaker 3: think we all kind of yearn for something, don't we.
Speaker 3: I think we all kind of go, gosh, there's gotta
Speaker 3: be something more to this this bag of water I am,
Speaker 3: and gosh, why do we have that pull? You know?
Speaker 3: What's this thing?
Speaker 4: What? You know?
Speaker 3: So I wanted to help people kind of get to
Speaker 3: closer understanding that, yeah, we have souls and yeah there
Speaker 3: are some negative things out there trying to take advantage
Speaker 3: of us, and you know, we got to push back.
Speaker 3: We got to get our faith back, not just in
Speaker 3: a in God, but in ourselves because there's something to
Speaker 3: be said about the human potential. I always say that,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, so check it out, tell me your
Speaker 3: thoughts and we'll circle back. Right, we'll circle back. So
Speaker 3: you know what, you guys, I wanted to discuss the
Speaker 3: UAP Senate hearing that just occurred recently, and boy, oh boy,
Speaker 3: you know I heard conversations people were like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: you know, let's have faith in them because they're they're
Speaker 3: saying something. You know, they're the government and it's taking
Speaker 3: a step forward and they're actually putting this conversation out there.
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, I'm excited that they're having
Speaker 3: the conversation as well that they're addressing it in a
Speaker 3: public way that they're saying they've dedicated money and effort
Speaker 3: and a team to these things. But you know, I'm
Speaker 3: just like, if you're going to do this, please please
Speaker 3: let's be fully forward and honest about what's coming. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know the whole definition UAP, why is that definition
Speaker 3: instead of UFO. Well, UAP used to be aero phenomena.
Speaker 3: Now it's a nomalist phenomena. And they're saying it's not
Speaker 3: necessarily you know, it's not something we've made that the
Speaker 3: government has made. It's not something alien either. It's that
Speaker 3: in between. It's that private company that somehow made some
Speaker 3: kind of technology out there is flying it around and
Speaker 3: we're trying to identify who that is. But during the
Speaker 3: Senate hearing, doctor Kirkpatrick said, you know, we're there's some details.
Speaker 3: There's oh gosh, you had a certain word for it.
Speaker 3: There's a hint to some of these things having a
Speaker 3: signature that's had a signature of being one of our adversaries,
Speaker 3: you know, another a foreign government that might not play nice.
Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, i'll give you that. But the
Speaker 3: images they showed looked very much like the circular kind
Speaker 3: of orb like metallic elements that a lot of people
Speaker 3: say there was a probe going by. And you know,
Speaker 3: I've known people who have witnessed these things and they
Speaker 3: they thought there's a couple of them. Actually they thought
Speaker 3: somebody threw a ball through their backyard and it just
Speaker 3: zipped by in a perfect line, and it wasn't natural,
Speaker 3: wasn't normal. Its about the size of a basketball. These
Speaker 3: things have also been seen around crop circles and all
Speaker 3: sorts of situations. But the thing that man, I just
Speaker 3: I have to take a deep breath on this because
Speaker 3: I was really I was disappointed in some things. I
Speaker 3: was disappointed because one statement that doctor Sean Kirkpatrick said was,
Speaker 3: oh boy, Arrow has found no credible evidence thus far
Speaker 3: of extraterrestrial activity off world technology or objects that defy
Speaker 3: the known laws of physics. So a lot of people
Speaker 3: are like, well, we don't have to worry anymore because
Speaker 3: our government's gonna take on all these tasks and we'll
Speaker 3: just sit back and wait for them to disseminate. While
Speaker 3: I'm like, I think we even have to step harder
Speaker 3: forward on these things because I don't think we can
Speaker 3: trust the process. I really don't, because this is just
Speaker 3: not it's not true. It's not true, and nothing. There's
Speaker 3: nothing that's showing alien right, nothing. Okay, so we'll just
Speaker 3: drop the whole UFO title and all the people that
Speaker 3: have dedicated to their lives. We're standing on the shoulders
Speaker 3: of legends who have put everything on the line to
Speaker 3: do what they do. And I just I can't I
Speaker 3: can't rest knowing that that's it. This is what we
Speaker 3: have to depend on. This is it. I've known people
Speaker 3: who are threatened by obvious government people or men in
Speaker 3: black which don't seem very human beings, to not speak
Speaker 3: about their UFO encounters, and then to have these things
Speaker 3: called military abductions. Right, I've had them to be interrogated
Speaker 3: and questioned about alien beings. Okay, one thing I want
Speaker 3: to be clear to For some reason, there's a couple
Speaker 3: of people say, oh, oh, you're a part of those
Speaker 3: one of those those programs that parents that were in
Speaker 3: the military and they volunteered their children to participate in
Speaker 3: different studies and whatnot. No, no, no, no, I wasn't
Speaker 3: part of that. Even I've heard I've heard about crispers,
Speaker 3: you know, also being created in that form, you know,
Speaker 3: some some form of manipulation on the DNA genetic level
Speaker 3: to perform or be something different than others. No, I
Speaker 3: don't have any memories or anything like that either, But
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of people. I've heard there's
Speaker 3: thousands of people who recall being dropped off at testing
Speaker 3: sites and whatnot, and apparently some of this is searchable online.
Speaker 3: Little did I know. But yeah, so I'm not one
Speaker 3: of those people. I had my first military abductions or
Speaker 3: better yet, they're called my labs am I la bs Okay,
Speaker 3: you could google it military abductions. I believe there's a
Speaker 3: couple of books on there that out there as well.
Speaker 3: Mine started in college. You know, I had a few
Speaker 3: of them, and they were not I wasn't tortured, but
Speaker 3: there it was a form of torture, I guess you
Speaker 3: could say, because I saw what they did with some
Speaker 3: beings at one of them, and I'm like, what was
Speaker 3: what was that? You know, it's upsetting to this day
Speaker 3: to know what they've done to some beings, and I
Speaker 3: mean beings that are not grays, reptilians, you know, your
Speaker 3: your typical alien beings. I'm talking about a whole slew
Speaker 3: of different alien beings. That have a whole different agenda
Speaker 3: than experimenting on people. Okay, so maybe a more positive
Speaker 3: group of beings, you know. So it's just if our
Speaker 3: government is capable of doing these things to people, and
Speaker 3: they are and they have and it's on going. If
Speaker 3: they're doing this and we're trusting them to come forward
Speaker 3: about a move being object in the sky, I just no,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that we can fully rely
Speaker 3: upon that, we can fully trust that whole conversation, because
Speaker 3: if they're not going to come clean about all of it,
Speaker 3: don't pretend to be so generous, you know. I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna be keep it real, just keeping it real and
Speaker 3: being honest because I've been victimized. I've been victimized. There's
Speaker 3: many out there who say the same thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: come forward all the way please, so I can see
Speaker 3: in the light and me shine that in your eyes
Speaker 3: and tell me your name rank, Yeah, I address phone number.
Speaker 3: Let's let's hear it all. So yeah, I wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: everybody's always hopeful with these different hearings. And again, I
Speaker 3: am glad we're having these conversations, but I'm not going
Speaker 3: to put all my money on them being fully honest
Speaker 3: and forthcoming. That's just Oh, they've done too much. They've
Speaker 3: done too much damage. Guys. I'm I'm gonna keep saying
Speaker 3: some prayers. How about that. I'll say some prayers and
Speaker 3: we'll all put our good vibes forward that they eventually
Speaker 3: will do the right thing, right, Okay, So we'll do that.
Speaker 3: So anyways, once again, I mentioned we're gonna have a
Speaker 3: fabulous guest coming here after the break, And don't forget
Speaker 3: go to Heidihollis dot com or those who can't spell
Speaker 3: my name shadow folks dot com. F ol Ks and
Speaker 3: tell me your stories. The more details the better. Send
Speaker 3: over your photos, send your video, your drawings of whatever
Speaker 3: it is the experience, I mean, new death experiences, Jesus encounters,
Speaker 3: angel encounters. We cover it all here. No, I am
Speaker 3: not a guruin and know it all. No, No, this
Speaker 3: is all about looking for patterns, sharing and knowing some
Speaker 3: of the patterns and some of the things that I've
Speaker 3: personally experienced and trying to shed some light.
Speaker 1: On these things.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So you guys, I hope you stick around after the
Speaker 3: break because it's gonna hit really interesting. You're going to
Speaker 3: really enjoy this conversation. You are listening to Dark Becomes
Speaker 3: Life with Me, Heidi Hollis on iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 3: co Dam Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowns be right back, Welcome back.
Speaker 3: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast DAM
Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. As promised, I have a great, great
Speaker 3: guest coming to join me today, Shane man Carella. And
Speaker 3: he likes to say he's just a guy who had
Speaker 3: a crazy paranormal experience and he thought to seek some answers.
Speaker 3: And he's using Twitter spaces, which I got to join
Speaker 3: him the other day, which was a black asked and
Speaker 3: he's also spreading awareness and he considers himself to be
Speaker 3: a UFO personality, so he likes to joke a lot
Speaker 3: while covering serious topics, which is something that I enjoyed
Speaker 3: doing myself. So I'd like to welcome Shane man Corella.
Speaker 3: How are you doing today, They're Shane.
Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good. Heidi, how are you?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. You know what, I just got to
Speaker 3: know you from the Twitter spaces and I have to
Speaker 3: say you've got quite the personality and I love your
Speaker 3: gumption for all this. You know, it's like it's like
Speaker 3: you're tapped in one hundred percent and it's like no, no,
Speaker 3: no fluffy talk. You're just straight to it. So what
Speaker 3: got you involved in looking into these things?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So, you know, I'm just a regular dude that
Speaker 4: had an experience happened to him, Heidi, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to find answers to those questions. And I kept watching
Speaker 4: YouTube videos and YouTube videos and more YouTube videos, and
Speaker 4: I went to the library and read every book I could,
Speaker 4: and I wasn't getting any answers. I was just getting
Speaker 4: telling me what they think is happening. And so I
Speaker 4: figured I'll go on, you know, maybe there's somewhere I
Speaker 4: could talk or do something like that. And I made
Speaker 4: a Twitter account, found out about spaces, and I figured
Speaker 4: and started joining like a UFO Twitter spaces. So wow,
Speaker 4: how much I like.
Speaker 3: That, you know, because sometimes people just do what you did,
Speaker 3: you know, sit back and look and read on stuff
Speaker 3: and not get involved. But you took it upon yourself
Speaker 3: to take it an extra step. And I have to
Speaker 3: commend you for that because that's one thing that a
Speaker 3: lot of people will say. You know, people are lazy
Speaker 3: these days. They don't go out to the meetings and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And you know, for people that are listening, Shane is
Speaker 3: in the middle of a monster thunderstorm and I think
Speaker 3: it's a great that's correct. I think it's awesome. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: let's roll with this. This is awesome.
Speaker 4: That's going down. It is like it is like apocalypse
Speaker 4: now outside my house.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy. But yeah, I mean honestly, and I've
Speaker 3: had a lot of people who like reach out and
Speaker 3: they'll say, tell me everything you know about UFOs. I'm like,
Speaker 3: how about googling, how about reading a book? How about
Speaker 3: you know? They want me to literally, they'll wait, yeah,
Speaker 3: try to explain it to me. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're really passionate, if you really want to find answers,
Speaker 3: you get off your duff and you do something about it.
Speaker 3: And you you definitely did so I applaud you for that.
Speaker 3: So tell me, tell me what was the experience that
Speaker 3: you had that got you going.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I've been reading paranormal books and things like
Speaker 4: that for a long time. I've never had anything happen
Speaker 4: to me. Though I've lived in I've lived in the
Speaker 4: same house for twenty nine years. And I mean i'd left,
Speaker 4: of course, but my mother had gotten sick and I
Speaker 4: came back to my childhood home and her last year
Speaker 4: of living. I stayed there with her the whole time
Speaker 4: and took care of her, you know, like a good
Speaker 4: son would do. And unfortunately she passed away. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: that's terrible, my mom. Oh yeah, it was. You know,
Speaker 4: it hit me really hard in ways that that it's
Speaker 4: hard to talk about sometimes, but you know, it has
Speaker 4: a big it's a it's a big deal. It's a
Speaker 4: big part of my story. So the day of her funeral,
Speaker 4: after I place my mother in the ground, I'm driving
Speaker 4: home and my best friend, who doesn't like funerals and
Speaker 4: stuff and really love my mom, he couldn't be agreer
Speaker 4: to do it. So he stay at the house and
Speaker 4: get the house ready for you know, the afterparty and everything.
Speaker 4: He's walking down the road and I pull over. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: what are you doing, man, what's going on? Why aren't
Speaker 4: you at the house And he's like, there are red
Speaker 4: streaks of light flying through your home. I'm like, like,
Speaker 4: it's on fire or you know, what are you talking about.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, red balls of light are luminescing around
Speaker 4: your house. I'm like, okay, that's weird. Wow, I'll take
Speaker 4: you home. Yeah, I was like, i'll take you home.
Speaker 4: So I'll take him home and I come back and
Speaker 4: then I have probably sixty ish people in my house
Speaker 4: that day, just all high energy. Everyone's mixed up energy.
Speaker 4: And the reason why I mentioned this is nothing happened then, right,
Speaker 4: So everybody leaves and I'm sitting in the back room
Speaker 4: of my house on my laptop playing up. I remember
Speaker 4: what I was playing. I was on discord playing some
Speaker 4: of my friends and I heard this just jingling noise,
Speaker 4: just and I turn around and like three feet from
Speaker 4: me is this big old curio cabinet and it has
Speaker 4: four glass wind on it, this real and antique, and
Speaker 4: it had this brass key that went in the lock.
Speaker 4: And but it wasn't the right brass key because I
Speaker 4: had broke to the original one and I switched it
Speaker 4: out from the other carreo cab in the back of
Speaker 4: the house. And my mom wouldn't notice. It doesn't matter
Speaker 4: how old you are. You don't want to get you know,
Speaker 4: you don't let your mom found out you broke her antiques. No, right,
Speaker 4: and so I I'm sitting there watching this key just
Speaker 4: with no explanation jiggle in this lock, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: is there an earthquake? Nothing else is moving, and so
Speaker 4: it since stops jiggling and starts turning. And remember this
Speaker 4: wasn't the correct key for that lock at all, but
Speaker 4: it turns and unlocks the door. But you and you could,
Speaker 4: you could unlock it with that key, but you had
Speaker 4: to really finangle with it. So the door opens catches
Speaker 4: on these brass catches, and I'm sitting here like I'm
Speaker 4: on discord with my friends. I'm like, you know, like, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: this is I'm watching it. Something paranormal happen right now,
Speaker 4: Like I straight up, this is what I said. And
Speaker 4: they're like, no way, dude. I'm like yep. And I'm
Speaker 4: just staring at it and looking at my dog, looking
Speaker 4: at this lock. And the door just swings open. And
Speaker 4: there were four glass shelves and on the third to
Speaker 4: the top shelf, I had Dragon ball Z the action
Speaker 4: figures and I'm a super nerd. I love anime, and
Speaker 4: you know, I had the whole line up. There's these
Speaker 4: big lead figurines and I had this toy Yarcy helicopter
Speaker 4: my dad had given. My dad passed away when I
Speaker 4: was thirteen, so I'd had this helicopter for a long time.
Speaker 4: Never flew, the wires were cut on it and everything,
Speaker 4: but it was something my dad gave me, so I
Speaker 4: kept in this cabinet. I watched this helicopter lift up
Speaker 4: and levitate out of this curio cabinet and then it
Speaker 4: just levitates across this room.
Speaker 3: So I got good pumps. Wow.
Speaker 4: And when I say slowly, I mean slowly, just like
Speaker 4: it's so I don't say it. That's why I say.
Speaker 4: It didn't fly like the blades. The blades weren't spinning nothing,
Speaker 4: and it just ever so gently just sails across this room.
Speaker 4: And then it just sat down, also ever so gently,
Speaker 4: just on the ground up and I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, I just see, you know,
Speaker 4: like I'm just making the noise because it just happened
Speaker 4: right in front of me, and these six red balls
Speaker 4: of red light manifested into me in like a carousel.
Speaker 4: And then I'm just at this point, I'm like whoa,
Speaker 4: you know, like I don't know what to do, not moving,
Speaker 4: and then they just spin in a circle and they disappear.
Speaker 4: And the lights when they spun in a circle, they
Speaker 4: did they didn't form into one light. They all stayed individual.
Speaker 4: And then that was it. And after that werewolves are real,
Speaker 4: vampires are real. It's all real. Man. After seeing that,
Speaker 4: I can't write any of it off right.
Speaker 3: So when you talk about the balls of light, they
Speaker 3: were in front of you or going around you.
Speaker 4: No, they were directly. They were like between me and
Speaker 4: that cabinet, so like a foot and a half away.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean that's like a whole combination of
Speaker 3: things like I've never even quite heard of in one
Speaker 3: story that the red balls. I mean, that's not common.
Speaker 3: I mean, where have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 4: I the only case I've ever heard of, and I've
Speaker 4: looked at this extensively, and I've spoken with the person
Speaker 4: in the case. It was Jackie Hernandez from the San
Speaker 4: Pedro Haunting, and she has some of the best pictures
Speaker 4: of balls of light or plasma balls that I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: And I met her in a you just me watching
Speaker 4: every video on YouTube. I met her in a chat
Speaker 4: and she had just commented and I said, are you
Speaker 4: the Jackie Hernandez and she said, yes, that's me. And
Speaker 4: I met her up on a call like we're doing
Speaker 4: right now and talk to her about it, and she
Speaker 4: described the same gelatinous balls of light and they were
Speaker 4: just like these jelly balls of plasmic light. I don't
Speaker 4: really know how else to describe it. It was this
Speaker 4: deep crimson red, but not like an angry red if
Speaker 4: I guess. I didn't feel fear. I just felt like,
Speaker 4: why is there floating balls of plasmic light in front
Speaker 4: of my face?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to imagine it. Did they keep
Speaker 3: like a perfectly spherical form, like solid or did it
Speaker 3: kind of warp?
Speaker 4: They were? They were like the jelly oh like like
Speaker 4: they were They looked like jelly, like slime monster things
Speaker 4: but were But they were obviously light, So I just
Speaker 4: assume they're plasma just because it was light.
Speaker 3: And how many of we're there? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Six? Six?
Speaker 3: What do you think? That is really odd? I'm like
Speaker 3: searching my mind. I don't know of any story like that.
Speaker 3: I really don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I always tell people that on a scale
Speaker 4: of one to ten, I put it at like a
Speaker 4: seven point five on the paranormal scale, like an eight
Speaker 4: would be a full apparition, which I would have jumped
Speaker 4: out the window and like a ten would be you
Speaker 4: walked into a full on ghost ballroom dance. And you
Speaker 4: know it was crazy, Holly. But I'm really thankful for
Speaker 4: it because I know, no matter what anyone tells me.
Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Mike West all the time.
Speaker 4: I've told him my story, and you know, it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if you tell me that you know that this
Speaker 4: stuff isn't real. Something's happening, something supernatural is occurring to
Speaker 4: regular people like me.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh. And you know I got to tell you too,
Speaker 3: because he said, Holly, we were just talking about one
Speaker 3: of your friends, Holly, and I get called that all
Speaker 3: the time, so.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, did again Heidi?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens a lot.
Speaker 4: I mean it happens to her too.
Speaker 3: Oh really they bled my firstes.
Speaker 4: She got called Heidi this morning.
Speaker 3: Really, I love it. It's funny. It's like some people get,
Speaker 3: you know, offended. I'm like, oh, that's hilarious. Whatever I
Speaker 3: get into emails, even people are right it.
Speaker 4: I get called Sean all the time in real life, so.
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, there you go. But you know what I'm like, wondering, Uh,
Speaker 3: what's your like heart and soul?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: I love that thunder what's your heart and soul? Telling
Speaker 3: you what that was all about? I mean, you had
Speaker 3: to search your your mind on that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm gonna be honest with you. As soon
Speaker 4: as it happened, I stood up and I said, Mama,
Speaker 4: go be with Daddy. I got this. It'll be okay
Speaker 4: and beautiful. Yeah. Cool. And then but but then after
Speaker 4: when I woke up, you know, and I really tried to,
Speaker 4: like I try to do a systems check when I
Speaker 4: wake up in the morning, and I've been doing that
Speaker 4: for a long time. And and I thought, I need
Speaker 4: to think about that because what I saw was not
Speaker 4: something that should ever been seen by you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not You're not told any of this is real. You're
Speaker 4: told it's all just fake. And I told myself a
Speaker 4: long time ago, if I ever saw anything paranormal, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't run from it, and if I ever did, it's
Speaker 4: all real. And so I sat there and I thought
Speaker 4: to myself, I said, why would my mom come back
Speaker 4: and do that? You know, like more or less, like
Speaker 4: maybe something was feeding off the energy of all the
Speaker 4: people in my house, the sad people, the happy people,
Speaker 4: the really really angry people that the people who were
Speaker 4: just like kind of numb. And I figure, if if
Speaker 4: any house had no house in that and within fifty miles,
Speaker 4: it probably had as much emotion going on in my house.
Speaker 4: So I imagine if you were some type of transient being
Speaker 4: or something that fed off of emotion. And I don't
Speaker 4: know why, I think this was just how I placed
Speaker 4: it together, my house would have lit up like fourth
Speaker 4: of July, like if you looked at an aerial view,
Speaker 4: you would have just my house would have been glowing, right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So I spent that morning, you know, cursing God in
Speaker 4: the church, you know, just asking why did you take
Speaker 4: my mom from me? Why? Like screaming. But they had
Speaker 4: to pulled me out of there, and so it was
Speaker 4: a I mean, honestly, it was a heavy emotional day.
Speaker 4: I mean it was absolutely bonkers. So I've never felt
Speaker 4: emotion like that again or since.
Speaker 3: So, Wow, you needed that, You needed that? Fine like that?
Speaker 3: You know what, We're gonna get to our next break.
Speaker 3: You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Speaker 3: me Tidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to
Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Speaker 3: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to
Speaker 3: Coast AM Perranormal Podcast Network. So I have Shane here
Speaker 3: who is sharing one of the most incredible paranormal almost
Speaker 3: sounding u AFO connected type of experience. But you absolutely
Speaker 3: recognized it was your mom perhaps meeting with your father.
Speaker 3: Is that what you were saying.
Speaker 4: Honestly, Holly, uh to be to be real with you.
Speaker 4: So there's some like misconceptions with it. I thought at
Speaker 4: the time that it was my mother, but I think
Speaker 4: afterwards it was some type of like force that was
Speaker 4: feeding off of the of the emotion, like like shadow
Speaker 4: people like something was there, and I think that it
Speaker 4: it did something because like the house, This is the
Speaker 4: part that gets weird is the house. Like people wouldn't
Speaker 4: come and I would tell I told a lot of
Speaker 4: people about this, like you know when you have something
Speaker 4: you're screaming everybody like I saw this, I saw this.
Speaker 4: They don't believe you, and I like people wouldn't come
Speaker 4: inside the house anymore. They would like bring me something
Speaker 4: to eat and they would not walk through that. They
Speaker 4: would walk in the garage, but they would not come
Speaker 4: in the door at all. And my aunt was really spiritual,
Speaker 4: and she was like, it's just randomly and she didn't
Speaker 4: even know about the story. She's like, I'm not coming
Speaker 4: in there. Something's really weird about your house. And there
Speaker 4: was this weird like like my really long hallway, and
Speaker 4: it would give me like weird sketchy feelings and stuff.
Speaker 4: But I never saw anything else in the house the
Speaker 4: rest of the time I was there. Was in there
Speaker 4: for about seven more months, but there was this weird
Speaker 4: feeling of just it wasn't the same anymore. If that
Speaker 4: makes sense, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It does. You know, of course, when I hear red lights,
Speaker 3: I think of the red eyes of shadow people, and
Speaker 3: you know, I've not heard of six gelatinous balls of
Speaker 3: light that are red like that spinning around. But what
Speaker 3: made you say to your mom, you know, go be
Speaker 3: with daddy. I mean, what was that trigger? What do
Speaker 3: you think that was about?
Speaker 4: That? That's the weird part, because it just came right out.
Speaker 4: I think it was just grief. And you know, I've
Speaker 4: talked to a lot of people about this phenomenon that's occurring,
Speaker 4: and unfortunately through my research since then, I've tried, I
Speaker 4: tried and try every day to get less and less ignorant,
Speaker 4: and I try to hear what other people have had
Speaker 4: happened to them and as you in you, Holly, or
Speaker 4: how do you get more than probably anybody when it
Speaker 4: comes to shadow people phenomenon, and you hear from people
Speaker 4: all the time and it's terrifying, right a lot of
Speaker 4: the time. And I've talked to I've talked to a
Speaker 4: lot like Stephen Mira, Carl the Crusher, Chris Bartel, Brain
Speaker 4: and Fugel. I've talked to a lot of the guys
Speaker 4: that are dealing with like transient phenomenon, and it's it
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be that it's going to do anything
Speaker 4: for your benefit. It might trick you, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: that's for your benefit. But so far, I haven't seen
Speaker 4: any love and light. That's uh. You know a lot
Speaker 4: of people preach this love and light stuff, but I'm
Speaker 4: not seeing it. I'm seeing something that was feeding off
Speaker 4: of me because I you know, this was weird. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it was a reflex thing. It might eve
Speaker 4: even like it might have even tricked me into thinking
Speaker 4: it was my mom. Like I literally, I've seen nothing
Speaker 4: that would convince me like I want to think that
Speaker 4: when my mother left, When my sweet mother left this earth,
Speaker 4: when I held her hand listening to Johnny Cash in
Speaker 4: that hospital that night, when she left, I want to
Speaker 4: I want to think to myself that she deserved to
Speaker 4: just go on and be free from this planet. She
Speaker 4: doesn't need to worry about me. I'm a grown man,
Speaker 4: I'm her son. She raised me. Why would she need
Speaker 4: to come back and show me anything? Like I would
Speaker 4: hope that if there's a god or a force, that
Speaker 4: it took her and let her be free and to
Speaker 4: go on her next mission, whatever that is. That's what
Speaker 4: I want for my mother to go and experience what
Speaker 4: you can only experience after you leave this plane. She
Speaker 4: doesn't need to come back and worry about me. So
Speaker 4: that's my take on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I got. I got something to
Speaker 3: share with you then too. Because my mother passed when
Speaker 3: I was seven, and we didn't have any issues coming on.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. We didn't have any issues going on
Speaker 3: or anything like that. As soon as she passed, our
Speaker 3: house became haunted. But you know, I'm seven years old.
Speaker 3: My sister's five. You know, she's got young kids in
Speaker 3: the house. What why would she come and haunt us?
Speaker 3: You know what mother would want to do such a thing,
Speaker 3: and you know, people are like, well, And we also
Speaker 3: had where my grandmother started to come to the house,
Speaker 3: stopped at the threshold and said, I am not coming
Speaker 3: in this house. Something's weird. So I mean, I'm getting
Speaker 3: goosebumps while you're talking because it's like a flashback. And
Speaker 3: that's when I didn't know it then, but shadow people
Speaker 3: were absolutely the ones infiltrating and it took me such
Speaker 3: a long time to know, you know, because I didn't
Speaker 3: come up with shadow people as a seven year old.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was when I was in college and my stepbrother
Speaker 3: got attacked by something black with glowing red eyes, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's the sign.
Speaker 4: You know, And there it is, yep.
Speaker 3: And I tell people, I'm like, look, when mom's protective
Speaker 3: love left, something dark came to feed and take advantage.
Speaker 3: And that's what you put that together. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: brilliant because absolutely that's what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that when you have an experience, you know,
Speaker 4: it's really bad for kids because they don't have the
Speaker 4: cognitive ability that the problem solving abilities. You're not old
Speaker 4: enough yet. If they do, they're very ahead, right, And
Speaker 4: I think it's important to when you see anything crazy
Speaker 4: or weird and paranormal, right, you know, be a little
Speaker 4: bit of Mick West, be a little bit of these guys,
Speaker 4: sit back for a second and kind of think about
Speaker 4: what happened and seek the answers, look at both sides
Speaker 4: of the coin. It's you know, I think very rarely
Speaker 4: it's going to be the first thing that comes into
Speaker 4: your mind. That's just a rush decision. And so there's
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with doing research and trying to figure out yourself.
Speaker 4: I'll probably never know what happened. But through my talks
Speaker 4: with with like Carl the Krusher for instance, Like he
Speaker 4: talks about the Native American aspect a lot, know when
Speaker 4: his YouTube channel is fantastic, and his videos got me
Speaker 4: through a lot of hard times. And so I've been
Speaker 4: studying that a lot lately. And when you talk when
Speaker 4: you hear the Natives talk about this kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: it's either it's really not even really that good either,
Speaker 4: you know, it's either you know, it's some type of
Speaker 4: transient like like force that it's like a vampire, like
Speaker 4: like an emotional vampire. And I don't know how it
Speaker 4: manifests itself for what it's doing, but I think a
Speaker 4: lot of the answers lied with the Native people. So
Speaker 4: that's my next thing that I'm going to be researching
Speaker 4: as hard as I can is U is the Native people,
Speaker 4: the natives of North America, and you know, show them respect.
Speaker 4: I wasn't raised with any of that knowledge at all.
Speaker 4: I never got to go to a reservation, never got
Speaker 4: to do anything. So I figured, there's all these people
Speaker 4: that have lived here for a thousands of years. I
Speaker 4: live here. It happened to me here. Maybe ask them
Speaker 4: about it, right, So that's that's my next mission.
Speaker 3: No, I like it. You know you're you go about
Speaker 3: this methodically and sensibly too. You know, like a lot
Speaker 3: of people, of course, when they lose somebody, they they
Speaker 3: go through the knee jerk reaction of emotion. But you
Speaker 3: did that, but then you took a step back as
Speaker 3: I called on, hold on, there's other pieces going on here,
Speaker 3: and you know you expect us yourself. So clearly I
Speaker 3: find that rather unique, uh with you, And I'm glad,
Speaker 3: glad to hear that you're you're joining in the the
Speaker 3: research element because you know, this is how we find
Speaker 3: answers that nobody has all of them all we can
Speaker 3: do it. It's together, Yeah, and just work together and
Speaker 3: respect each other and that's uh, that's half the battle
Speaker 3: right there. And always keeping your ears the public. And
Speaker 3: that's another cool aspect that I like about your your
Speaker 3: your Twitter, your Twitter Extraterrestrial Explorers on clave. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's awesome. I mean, so you have these these
Speaker 3: conversations and tell us a little bit about how that
Speaker 3: goes for you and anybody that'd be interested in go
Speaker 3: and check it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if you don't know about Twitter spaces, you should,
Speaker 4: especially if you love youupology, if you want to come
Speaker 4: talk to Heidi season there sometimes. Uh you know, uh,
Speaker 4: they're they're great, They're so great. You I've met so
Speaker 4: many wonderful people. And when it comes to UFOs, it
Speaker 4: comes to UFO Twitter, you have different greens of people,
Speaker 4: right but the people that come into the spaces and
Speaker 4: especially the ones that talk and listen, they they are
Speaker 4: there because they're either super super curious or there or
Speaker 4: they've had something happen to them and I cannot tell
Speaker 4: you how many times I've been hosting a room and
Speaker 4: we've had I've had literally special guests in there and
Speaker 4: like alien Girl won one one from YouTube or you know,
Speaker 4: we try to boost up everybody, you know, get carry
Speaker 4: everybody to the top together and uh, and then someone
Speaker 4: will just come.
Speaker 5: In and be like hey, hey guys, and we're like, hey,
Speaker 5: how you doing? Like I'm not doing verty good. I'm
Speaker 5: my kids are terrified. I'm terrified. We don't know what's
Speaker 5: going on. Is there any way can you tell me
Speaker 5: what's happening? And it hurts my heart? Heidi, I say no,
Speaker 5: I can't. I wish, I wish.
Speaker 4: I wish so bad, every every part of me, which
Speaker 4: is so bad, Like I get emotional about it because
Speaker 4: you know, there's people out here just getting terrified. They
Speaker 4: don't know what's happening to them. They're just trying to
Speaker 4: live their lives, and they come in these rooms and
Speaker 4: but what you can do is do solid, good research
Speaker 4: and point them in that direction so they don't end up,
Speaker 4: you know, in like the David Wilcoxes and things like that. Right,
Speaker 4: So actual research and actual science and and actual like
Speaker 4: teachings and you know, whatever it is, that's it's at
Speaker 4: least helpful, you know, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: I can't tell them what's happening. I can't tell them
Speaker 4: why plates are lifting levitating across their room, or I
Speaker 4: can't tell them while they're having this horrible dreams or
Speaker 4: something's attacking them. But what I can do is try
Speaker 4: to give them the sources that I've vetted myself and
Speaker 4: if they trust me and maybe it'll help. Right, That's
Speaker 4: that's like the best we can offer. And if anyone
Speaker 4: says they can offer more than that, I think they're lying.
Speaker 3: You know what. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: You get those emails in the middle of the night,
Speaker 3: as I do for myself, and I'm sitting there, you know,
Speaker 3: tears come down. I'm like, you know, especially when it
Speaker 3: comes to the kids that are experiencing things and oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's like, man, you know, you just you wish
Speaker 3: you could fully reach out and go sit down there
Speaker 3: and have a cup of coffee or something with them
Speaker 3: and say, look, I get it, you know, let's let's
Speaker 3: try to put our heads together over.
Speaker 4: You wish you could just bust into their house with
Speaker 4: a proton pack from Ghostbusters and start firing it off.
Speaker 4: But you can't, you know, like that's I have a
Speaker 4: Ghostbuster's tattoo in my right arm. I've had it long
Speaker 4: before any of this happened to me. I love that
Speaker 4: I addressed with the Ghostbuster a kid. But if there was
Speaker 4: a way that I could put on put on pro Compact,
Speaker 4: kick the door, and I would. But unfortunately we're not
Speaker 4: there yet. Hopefully one day, yeah, one day.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I believe in the power of
Speaker 3: prayer and you can send that anywhere.
Speaker 4: So that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: So you've had an interest in these topics for a
Speaker 3: long time beyond or was it just for entertainment?
Speaker 4: It was just it was simply for entertainment. I you know,
Speaker 4: I used to watch Ancient Aliens with a friend of
Speaker 4: mine and I would just laugh and laugh and laugh.
Speaker 4: Ancient Aliens is funny even to me now, especially now
Speaker 4: that I know a lot more. But there's still a
Speaker 4: lot of real stuff on there, you know, ancient archaeology.
Speaker 4: It fascinates me. I have a big love for the
Speaker 4: Arc of the Covenant. I think, you know, it's real.
Speaker 4: I think it still exists, you know, it's just like
Speaker 4: all things that this is like my side hobby from
Speaker 4: Theuofology writers with the Arc Covenant. It's a big joke,
Speaker 4: you know. Me, I have a Walrus profile picture and
Speaker 4: I change it all the time. Yeah, and my friend
Speaker 4: Official tyf Tastic, she makes my Walruses for me. And
Speaker 4: there's always an ark of the Covenant in the background
Speaker 4: every time. And I try to keep it funny. You
Speaker 4: try to keep it light. But when people come in
Speaker 4: or we start talking seriously, you know, I do like
Speaker 4: I go for or I don't sugarcoat anything, tell you
Speaker 4: how I think it, what I feel, how I feel
Speaker 4: about it, and just try to steer people in a
Speaker 4: direction of their own self research. Really, but I think
Speaker 4: spaces offer that, you know, you can come in have
Speaker 4: a conversation. Yes, someone's gonna come up and tell you
Speaker 4: about the Anonachy or the Nephiline, which if you've been
Speaker 4: in eupology forever and you've heard all of that one
Speaker 4: hundred times over, and when it comes to the Antonochy,
Speaker 4: I say, showed me what tablet their Antonochy you're on.
Speaker 4: But that's a totally different argument. But but that being said,
Speaker 4: you can still listen to them and try to grow.
Speaker 4: There have been many, many times where I have been
Speaker 4: off and someone has helped me find the right path
Speaker 4: because you have to be open to that. You believe
Speaker 4: in you in what your research, and put your foot down.
Speaker 4: But don't be believed so hard that you can't grow.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of strange ego out
Speaker 3: there in these odd fields. I mean, you would think that,
Speaker 3: you know, and we got enough people against us, we'd
Speaker 3: all shake hands across the board, you know, from paranormal, cryptozoological,
Speaker 3: you know, upology. But no, no, no, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of competition for some reason. I'm like, I don't get it.
Speaker 4: It's like, let's see, yeah, you know, you got these
Speaker 4: guys go into these conventions making you know, all this
Speaker 4: money and stuff, and they're just they're rehashing stories from
Speaker 4: people that are in my spaces. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: you know what you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: It's it's bull crap. You know, we have people coming
Speaker 4: in here that have they'll tell you, like, you know,
Speaker 4: you'll meet people in spaces that you know, people hold
Speaker 4: up these heroes and upology, and there are a lot
Speaker 4: of good heroes in there, Richard Dolan, like, Carl's a
Speaker 4: big one of mine, Carl the Crusher, And they're great people.
Speaker 4: But when you get to talk to the just regular people,
Speaker 4: right so, it doesn't make them any different than the
Speaker 4: people that join my spaces, right so, and especially when
Speaker 4: they're seeking answers and you're like, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 4: Stafe came around and learn and listen and talk and
Speaker 4: you know, and it's great. I love it. I love
Speaker 4: spaces so much.
Speaker 3: Well, we got to get to our next break. You guys,
Speaker 3: you are listening to Darkly Comes Late with me Heidi
Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a AM
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Speaker 3: All right, well, we are having a good time here.
Speaker 3: We're speaking with Shane Mancrella and you know, we just
Speaker 3: had a recent UAP Senate hearing and I know that
Speaker 3: you're absolutely got your thumb on it, and I want
Speaker 3: to hear what your thoughts are and what they're discussing
Speaker 3: out there in the.
Speaker 4: Spaces yeah, so I'm getting a bit of So as
Speaker 4: far as the spaces go, I'm getting a lot of
Speaker 4: people that are upset. A lot of some people are
Speaker 4: like apathetic about it. It's just a mixed bag and
Speaker 4: everyone's like, yo. You know, they showed that that org video,
Speaker 4: the bet sphere video or the Moses sphere, whatever we
Speaker 4: want to call it, and it was cool. You know,
Speaker 4: I didn't expect anything from it. I mean, they've been
Speaker 4: doing this for what eighty years? They Georgia Damski went
Speaker 4: before the Senate and you know, you got a dude
Speaker 4: out here, like if you follow the dam damp skiin narrative,
Speaker 4: he was literally talking to Venusians every day and nothing
Speaker 4: happened then, So I mean, I don't know what's gonna
Speaker 4: happen now. Honestly, I like the data that they came
Speaker 4: out with where it showed where where the UAPs were
Speaker 4: in the world. But then I questioned why the Panama
Speaker 4: Canal wasn't on there, and I look at it, Hi,
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, that's weird, you know, because all of
Speaker 4: South America is supposedly just if you listen to Mulsan,
Speaker 4: they're just filled with euphos, right, although Misson's a whole
Speaker 4: different bag. But uh, it's that was kind of odd.
Speaker 4: And I think if you know Kirkpatrick, you know, we
Speaker 4: don't know a lot about him. I don't specifically because
Speaker 4: the political side of it, I've just kind of given
Speaker 4: up on. I love I like Stephen Bassett because he
Speaker 4: gets mad about it. And there's you know, there's a
Speaker 4: guy named Brian Johnson that does spaces and and he'll
Speaker 4: go on and on politically, So if I need that fix,
Speaker 4: I'll go listen to him and get caught up. But
Speaker 4: for me personally, someone who has had an experience and
Speaker 4: talks to people who've had experiences all day, I don't
Speaker 4: think like the government, especially with the way the world.
Speaker 4: The world is going now, so we could possibly go
Speaker 4: be going to war with other countries, you know, China,
Speaker 4: God forbid, God forbid. But why would you wheel out
Speaker 4: like this extravagant technology when there's still all this war
Speaker 4: going on. You're never going to pull that out because
Speaker 4: then your your enemies are going to do that, and
Speaker 4: there's no reason to do that, you know. And as
Speaker 4: far as the United States is concerned, you know, we
Speaker 4: had the SR seventy one Blackbird in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 4: In the sixties, it flew twenty two hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 4: And then you know, the stuff that we see now,
Speaker 4: I'm convinced is there's way more advanced craft that we've
Speaker 4: made just from mankind. They're not going to show you
Speaker 4: that either. So they're definitely not going to show you
Speaker 4: the aliens, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right right. You know, my father was in the
Speaker 3: Air Force and he said, let me tell you anything
Speaker 3: that you see the government or military has released that
Speaker 3: it's at least twenty years old, at the minimum twenty
Speaker 3: years old. He's like, they've got so much stuff you
Speaker 3: just wouldn't believe it. But you know, at the hearing,
Speaker 3: doctor Sean Kirkpatrick said, you know, has found no credible
Speaker 3: evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity off world technology or
Speaker 3: objects that defy the known laws of physics. And I
Speaker 3: beg to differ. And you know, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are putting a lot of stake and trust into our
Speaker 3: government gonna do the right thing when it comes to this,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, right there, that statement right there tells
Speaker 3: you they are not going to come clean. I mean,
Speaker 3: how'd you feel about that when he said.
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, so Kirkpatrick especially isn't going to tell you anything.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're just not. They're just not. And you
Speaker 4: know one day they're gonna get it for line under
Speaker 4: oath so much. But a Liza lie whether you put
Speaker 4: your hand on a book or not. You know, if
Speaker 4: you don't care about that book, you're just gonna lie
Speaker 4: thro your teeth anyway. If you know, if your bosses
Speaker 4: are telling you, if you say one single thing, it's
Speaker 4: over for you body, no pension, no nothing, You're not
Speaker 4: going to say anything. You're gonna keep your mouth shut
Speaker 4: and say we've had no signs of this. We need
Speaker 4: more money. We always need more money. We need more money,
Speaker 4: We need more money. You know, Bigelow needed more money
Speaker 4: for skim Walker Ranch and Chris Bartel wandered out there
Speaker 4: by himself half the time trying to you know, take
Speaker 4: on the you know, twenty two million dollars and they
Speaker 4: went straight to scientist's pockets. It didn't go any too
Speaker 4: any research out there. And that's why Figel has inherited
Speaker 4: such a nasty problem with that Ranch is you know,
Speaker 4: he got no information from Bigelow at all, whatsoever. All
Speaker 4: they got was Bartel and that's the whole thing about
Speaker 4: this government aspect. Man, Like how put off Kit Green
Speaker 4: and these guys. You know they did the remote viewing,
Speaker 4: started remote viewing and all that. That's great, they also
Speaker 4: did some really shady stuff behind the scenes, and the
Speaker 4: government doesn't in my opinion, we're just the people that
Speaker 4: are here. They think they're the ones doing everything they
Speaker 4: are because we let them. I don't know what we're
Speaker 4: gonna do, Heidi, I really don't, But what I think
Speaker 4: at least should happen is people if you have something
Speaker 4: happened to you, because it's hard if you don't. It's
Speaker 4: hard if you don't have any skin in the game.
Speaker 4: It really is. And God God bless the people that
Speaker 4: haven't had any experience but still try to believe people
Speaker 4: when they say they do, because we need more of that.
Speaker 4: Not to believe everybody blindly, but at least to be open.
Speaker 4: And you're gonna have to do your own research. And
Speaker 4: you know, if you can say I get a vacation,
Speaker 4: maybe go out for a weekend somewhere, you know, call
Speaker 4: Carl the Crusher and go out on a trip with
Speaker 4: him and see the native land and see see the
Speaker 4: Petrick lifts, and and learn, or go to a reservation
Speaker 4: and just learn from the elders and learn about their
Speaker 4: aspect of the land. Right, So the government isn't gonna
Speaker 4: tell you anything, especially on the brink of war. There's
Speaker 4: no way there's already a war going on. So they're
Speaker 4: not gonna they're not gonna sell it, they're not gonna
Speaker 4: say anything. I just Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrick, especially because he's he's
Speaker 4: so mixed into everything. He's mixed into skinwalk, a ranch,
Speaker 4: he's mixed into everything. I just don't think he's gonna
Speaker 4: say anything, you know. And he's got all these whistleblowers,
Speaker 4: uh there, So you know, my friend Thomas Thompson. Uh,
Speaker 4: Thomas Thompson said, uh, you know, the whistleblowers are coming in,
Speaker 4: you know what, I hope, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I've heard the other end of that.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, whistle blowers come step forward all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, they're going to lose all their credentials, of
Speaker 3: their credibility, you know, and have a lot of unfortunate luck.
Speaker 3: So there's a I don't know, it's like hard to
Speaker 3: trust the whole thing. And I'm all about the people
Speaker 3: the grassroots people that have been really sticking their necks
Speaker 3: out there for so long. I trust them more than
Speaker 3: I trust these former agents that are suddenly finding a
Speaker 3: voice in this field that they poo pooed for so long.
Speaker 3: So it's it's hard, it's really hard to trust. I'm
Speaker 3: glad the conversation's happening, I can't say that I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm very glad about that. But you know, if you're
Speaker 3: going to take a step forward, you know, put the
Speaker 3: other foot next to it and stand strong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you afology if you have to put your
Speaker 4: foot down. You have to put your foot down and
Speaker 4: follow a path. A lot of people don't and they'll
Speaker 4: they'll go wishy washy with it, and you got to
Speaker 4: just stick to it. And if you get to the
Speaker 4: end of that road and that truth isn't what she
Speaker 4: wanted to be, that's okay. You still found the truth.
Speaker 4: It may not be aliens, it may not be ultra terrestrials.
Speaker 4: It may be something totally different that can manifest itself
Speaker 4: in any way at once. It's outside of our comprehension,
Speaker 4: whatever it is our current in my opinion, and there
Speaker 4: may be alien craft, there may not be but we
Speaker 4: just need to go and find the truth. I don't care.
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I really, I'm getting really tired
Speaker 4: of the drifting. I'm getting tired of just people steering
Speaker 4: innocent humans who are looking for spiritual answers on these
Speaker 4: wrong paths, like for personal gain. It's okay to make
Speaker 4: money doing something you love, but it's something else to
Speaker 4: make money doing something against regular humans, so you can
Speaker 4: gain profit for no reason. Like sometime it has to
Speaker 4: be enough, right, and that's when we need to come
Speaker 4: together and start doing actual research and going out here,
Speaker 4: and we'll have to find it ourselves. You know, everyone's
Speaker 4: banking on another Phoenix Lights to happen. I probably you know,
Speaker 4: we had Stevensville in two thousand and eight, but you
Speaker 4: know that was basically the Phoenix Lights one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty one hundred and twenty people, right, and then one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty or it was one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: people saw it or were at the MOOF on event, right,
Speaker 4: So that's pretty pretty awesome. But you know, it's just
Speaker 4: ends up on UFO Hunters, the old TV show with
Speaker 4: those guys. So I don't, I don't know. It's not
Speaker 4: going to happen that way. We have to just start
Speaker 4: looking into the sew and I think it's through consciousness,
Speaker 4: through Native American teachings and things like that. And that's
Speaker 4: why I'm focusing more on that now instead of so
Speaker 4: much like hoping I get to see a UFO land
Speaker 4: in my backyard and give me like a you know,
Speaker 4: a saltless waffle cracker, like happened in the Citties.
Speaker 3: Shane, you got away with words.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I would sit UFO days in Wisconsin, said Dundee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: And there's probably about fifty sixty of us out there
Speaker 3: taking photos of a really unique craft I means like
Speaker 3: diamond shape, and it tumbled through the sky right over
Speaker 3: our heads, met with one of the typical like spirit
Speaker 3: lights that are seen over there, and we called the news.
Speaker 3: We called the news that do you think they responded?
Speaker 3: Do you think they were nothing? You know, nothing? And
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, how many times is this going
Speaker 3: to happen? And it's like the real stuff is not
Speaker 3: taken seriously, but these little fuzzy tic TACs, you know,
Speaker 3: Oh that's something. I'm glad they put it out there,
Speaker 3: but again, they should just raise the garage door and
Speaker 3: what they've got, because they've got some major stuff already
Speaker 3: that's been huddled in.
Speaker 4: Your tax dollars are paying for something in a shed
Speaker 4: somewhere that we don't know about exactly. That's the problem,
Speaker 4: that's the core problem. I don't care where it's from.
Speaker 4: It can be from Agartha, it can be from you know,
Speaker 4: the monolith on Mars. It can be from underneath the
Speaker 4: Speinkx and be edgucases, you know Atlantean craft. I don't care.
Speaker 4: I would just want to know why my money's paying
Speaker 4: for this, even though I mean literally, like they work
Speaker 4: for us, but they quit working for us obviously a
Speaker 4: long time ago, and money only exists for us. You know,
Speaker 4: everyone's complaining about them firing aside one your missile for
Speaker 4: four hune thousand, or they don't care. They'll fire missiles
Speaker 4: at mountain sides all day long. It doesn't matter to them, no,
Speaker 4: So you got to stop thinking of it like like
Speaker 4: they're just like you. They're not. They're not like you.
Speaker 3: They are not. They've got a lot to lose. They're
Speaker 3: loving living high in the hog and having the technology
Speaker 3: and access to it and being the boss over somebody
Speaker 3: else to say, don't you dare speak butt in your lip?
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's crazy, you know. I want people
Speaker 3: to have the opportunity to reach out to you, and
Speaker 3: you know, sit in one of your spaces, so you
Speaker 3: should your Twitter and where you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. My Twitter handle is at Turtle of
Speaker 4: Time one two, and then I also have at UFO
Speaker 4: Intros and that's another show we do where we interview
Speaker 4: like famous people or famous people like Kurt Jai Mungle
Speaker 4: or you know those guys, you know the guys we
Speaker 4: hold up in ufology. And then next week I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be doing some stuff with Steven Cambian at True Seekers.
Speaker 4: So I got a lot of stuff planned. And if
Speaker 4: you you know, follow me. If you see my spaces
Speaker 4: are random, they'll pop up and you can keep up
Speaker 4: through my tweets and you can come in and have
Speaker 4: a chat with me and all my friends anytime. And
Speaker 4: if you disagree with me, even better come in and
Speaker 4: tell me why.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Shane Mancrola, I want
Speaker 3: to thank you so much for coming on. You are
Speaker 3: a unique guy and I'm I'm so glad to know
Speaker 3: you and know that you're out there. I mean it
Speaker 3: gives me new hope.
Speaker 4: No, thank you, thank you so much, hottie.
Speaker 3: Didn't I tell you isn't any fun? I mean, just
Speaker 3: such good energy. Unfortunately we've come to the bottom of
Speaker 3: another fabulous program. I hope you really enjoyed yourselves, because
Speaker 3: I know I sure did. And don't forget to Go
Speaker 3: and check out my main website, which is Heidihollis dot
Speaker 3: com or Shadowfolks dot com. Go to the Outlanderscomic dot
Speaker 3: com and you can follow me on social media at
Speaker 3: one Heidi Hollis. Just put a one in front of
Speaker 3: my name or the Outlanders Comic. I also have Bigfoot
Speaker 3: Bits m You can follow that too, because I love
Speaker 3: doing my paranormal comic strip and it highlights a lot
Speaker 3: of silly stuff and a lot of true stuff that
Speaker 3: goes on out there in this crazy world of ours. Man,
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta I gotta hear more from you
Speaker 3: guys out there that are experiencing things. Shane took a
Speaker 3: step forward. If you want to come on this show
Speaker 3: and share your stories, share your thoughts, your research, whatever
Speaker 3: you're doing, just tell me about it. Go to my
Speaker 3: main website. Give me as many details as you can,
Speaker 3: because I love the details and drawings photos. Write me
Speaker 3: Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com, Send it to me
Speaker 3: H E I D I H O L L I
Speaker 3: S and Wow, Okay, I guess we're gonna trail off.
Speaker 3: I could talk forever on this stuff. I just love it.
Speaker 3: You guys, you have been listening to Dark Becomes Light
Speaker 3: with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
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Speaker 3: Stay safer, inviting goodbye.
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